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  • Incest is rampant in the LDS church. At the very least, they turn a blind eye.

  • is the lady mentally retarded,... so she did not tell police her self,. she should go to jail,.. evil bich

  • this is not an isolated incident. it happens all of the time in the church. especially in Utah. the bishup sometimes thinks that instead of getting police intervention the bishup can fix it

  • I KNEW ABOUT A LDS FATHER SEXUALLY, PHISICALLY, MENTALLY AND VERBALLY ABUSED HIS DAUGHTER FOR MANY YEARS AND SHE ASKED HER BISHOPS TO HELP HER AND NO ONE IN THAT EVIL CHURCH DID ANYTHING. THE BISHOPS TOLD THE MOTHER THAT GOD AND THE CHURCH HAS FULLY FORGIVEN THE FATHER OF THE ABUSED GIRL. THATS JUST THE KIND OF STUFF THAT HAPPENS IN RELIGIOUS OCCULTS. IT ALSO HAPPENS IN THE JOHOVA'S WITNESS CHURCH WHERE CHILD ABUSERS AND MOLESTERS ARE FORGIVEN OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • the reason the mormons dont report abuse is because they believe in abuse in the name of god..sick bastards!!!

  • @TheMormonslayer ... Go peddle your tales elsewhere. Mormons don't "believe in abuse in the name of god". I'd ask for proof, but I know you can't provide it. So, I'll save us both the trouble.

  • yeah something smelt fishy in that case. Like someone was trying anything they could to get money out of the church. The church is not responsible for the affairs that go on in peoples homes, I don't care who they claim to counsel. church clergy aren't trained counselors anyway. People just need to take responsibility for their own actions and stop trying to make someone else do the dirty work for them.

  • I mean you can't even get a catholic priest to beat accountable for abusing the children they have abused them self

  • why again is the church responsible for someone abusing their children

  • It sounds like the person involved would be the only one at fault as a mandatory reporter... It would be like saying a mandatory reporter of abuse worked for the white house and the white house could be sued also for that man's actions. It just wouldn't fly. Was it deplorable that he didn't report? Absolutely! I'm a mandatory reporter myself... I know the law.

  • @mrdeleted Your right. None of us are perfect. we all make mistakes and the way is Christ. Now we just cant believe in him But look at what he did and follow in his footsteps. be nice to one another, dont let others down. Most important we need to understand Good deeds are only part of it, we need to do certain things to Live with God again. Jesus made it possible with his atonement

  • and you know if one person does a stupid act or something and he happens to be in a religion of some type you cant go and start hatting the religion. its so stupid! you know what. People are not perfect but guess what? there is a church out there that is perfect. Do not hate the churchs upon peoples actions.

  • hey stupids! if Mormons are wrong, what church is right? how do you know? God only accepts one church and that is it. God will judge all of us.

  • @hanypants No he only accepts those who accept Christ into their heart, not some church group.

  • @Blockygraphics I couldn't agree more. I grew up Mormon and only in my early 20's did I realize how bogus it was, actually I found all religion to be bogus. In my experience though, the majority of Mormons are hard working people with good morals and strong families. Even though it's obvious to me now that Joseph Smith was a huge fraud, it's not so easy to spot when growing up as a Mormon because your life is completely consumed and saturated by the church. It's really hard to see any other way.

  • All churches should be held accountable. The mormon church has always believed it was above the law, they ran to Utah to escape the law.

  • this is absurd, sue the church? how about focus on the perpetrator damnit, where is society heading?

  • the church has a vast history of child abuse !!!

  • I doubt the LDS Church would promote a grown man having a relationship with a young girl....unless your name happened to be Joseph Smith. He liked kids as we can see in this list of girls he "married": Fanny Alger 16 Sarah Ann Whitney 17 Lucy Walker 17 Flora Ann Woodworth 16 Emily Dow Partridge 19 Sarah Lawrence 17 Maria Lawrence 19 Helen Mar Kimball 14 Melissa Lott 19 Nancy M. Winchester [14?] As we well know this has *nothing* to do with the LDS Church.
  • He must have been acting as a man and not a prophet when he married those girls.

  • the abuse was by the step dad of the girls in their own home. this has *nothing* to do with the LDS church at all other than a friend of the abused girls happen to talk to her LDS bishop about it. this is the very definition of a frivolous lawsuit

  • the exact same thing happened in my ward of stake. my stepfather abused my sisters, then the church said they would take care of it internally...meaning they didnt want the police involved... this does happen ... in fact, there are many members who are attorney's, my scout leader practices and was a bishop in ~ 1988- this lawsuit is not frivolous

  • Appeal went in the favor of the lord. I am glad I am a part of the true church of God, the LDS church. Ask your local LDS missionary for help becomming a true saint.

  • The LDS church is the church of Joseph Smith.

    he maried other mens wives, maried their 14 year old daughters and for what ??

    All because people like you chose to believe his claims.

    Joseph Smith was just a sexual predator and exploited to the maximum his Power as Cult Leader.

    Thank goodness for those brave women who defied him like Martha Brotherton, Jane Law, Sarah Pratt and refused his Immoral Polygamous advances.

  • marco I'll reply to your email soon as possible, meanwhile you said

    "Ask your local LDS missionary for help becomming a true saint."

    LDS missionaries have nothing to do with becoming a true saint. Thats what I was responding to.

    LDS Missionaries are mostly illinformed and pre conditioned to serve ( almost an obligation because of the social structure in church). A lot of pressure to conform.

    The church lies to and deceives people. I experienced it first hand.

  • So tell me about it?

  • marco Unfortunately I will struggle for time to explain my LDS experience and why I have the desire to expose the organisation as a danger.

    A good summary of why people leave the church and their experiences of membership is available on exmormon org website .

    It will also help you understand why exmembers have a desire to warn others.Cheers E J

  • Yea, God bless those LDS missionaries. the world needs more people with the commitment to Christ and dedicaiton it takes to be a missionary. We could all learn alot from these extrodonary young men and women. Even if we dont listen to messages they bring. There certainly are great examples of what I want my youth of america to be like.

  • Your church is no more true than any other church or religion.

  • Sure!! "God" WANTS The Mormon Church to be able to cover-up the sexual crimes of it's leaders.

    True in SmYth's time, still true today!!

  • people often persicute the things they dont fully understand. Its easy to hear something from someone and believe its true without looking into in yourself. But thats just ingnorance.

  • Strange, when Mobots get caught up in a scandal, they are always "being persecuted".

    FAIL!!

  • No scandal really, Every aspect and event of our church has always been freely and openly recorded, discussed, and made as common public knowledge. When your not trying to cover anything up or hide from anything. Its hard to make believe that there is a scandal of some kind. Wouldn't you agree?

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  • @Outlaw1257 dont question religion on peoples stupid actions.

  • I have always had questions about Rod Deckers presentation. It's hard to listen to him sometimes since he's SO melodramatic.

  • Dang what is the deal with the short sentence for these guys. and what up with the church being sued when the girl denied the abuse. Our system is messed up.

  • Mormon Church's welfareis intended for Mormons, Catholic charities are available to anyone. Jesus commands his Church to feed the hungry, care for the sick and aged, shelter the homeless, and perform other corporal and spiritual works of mercy (Matt. 25:34-46; Luke 6:27-36). The Catholic Church has carried out Jesus' command. Look at the countless Catholic hospitals, orphanages, dispensaries, homes for unwed mothers, clinics, shelters, hospices, food banks. Where are their Mormon counterparts?

  • In the appeal the church won. The truth always comes out in the end. especially when its against GODs true church.

  • marco Can you email a link to the appeal news item and I will remove this video....... many thanks.

    I can replace it with more secure ones about convicted Mormon Temple Card criminals Paedophiles. I just want people to know that LDS does not mean automatic safety for their kids, incase they get too trusting of men claiming inspired Melchizedek Authority

  • You lost BringUmYoung. I also saw in the news many catholics and evangelicals pedophiles. What's the Problem? Did that means all Catholics or Evangelical are pedophiles. Ofc not. You are being prejudiced. But we would expect with a guy named BringUmYoung ROFL

  • @marcopolo8765 no the church did not win they had the pay her the money they owed.

  • @marcopolo8765 You will never send the appeal news item, because it doesn't exist. And as far as the true church, you can believe in that delusion if you want, but the universe is larger than your church will ever be, and the mormon church is insinificant compared to that.

  • "Here you are, someone who follows the teachings of a con man who stared at magic rocks in his hat, and you claim that MY comments are stupid??"

    I tell you more they are VERY STUPID. lol

    That's why you are changing the subject. You are not interested in the truth all you want is to destroy. And for that objective you will use any means including stupidity and false accusations.

  • Cesarius;

    You are wanting to pick pepper out of fly sh8t; the fact is that your prophets were liars, SmYth was a liar, LDS teaches selective use of thew truth, and your entire religion is based upon lies.

    You are wanting to play this asinine game of "Chapter, verse, and line", and I'm not going to play it with you.

    LDS is based upon lies..... ALL of it.... because there is NO TRUTH to The Book of Mormon.

  • I can understand your desire to steer the focus away from the very things that disprove The Book of Mormon...

    But if THe Book of Mormon is a pack of lies, (and the sciences clearly prove that it IS a pack of lies!!) then any LDS teachings are lies as well.

    You live a lie, you follow a con man who stared at magic rocks in a hat, "translated" some non-existent golden plates from a non-existent language, and you are too stupid, stubborn and brainwashed (definition of a "Mobot") to see it!!

  • Who is living a lie is you, a good example is your use of words that aren't real For example "Mobot" ROFL

    You simply didn't answered a direct question. So who is lying. It's you of course.

    I don't care if you don't believe in the BOM or JS or anyone else. For me you can even believe in Belzebu I DON'T CARE.

    What I believe is not your concern!!!

    I just don't accept that someone does false accusations about the LDS people, like we are all liars.

  • The true liars are the anti-mormons. they use quotes out of context, spread rumours and lies, they only want to destroy the Church by any means.

    And most important of all they are a bunch of ignorants. If you really know the meaning of Brainwashing you would never used that word to the LDS people.

    If someone agrees with you is intelligent, if he does not then he is brainwashed ROFL

    Here we have a good example of an ignorant and prejudiced person.

  • Cesar;

    Your words are rhetorically empty; you have reduced yourself to petty name calling.

    The Book of Mormon is a lie; the many sciences clearly discredit it. You follow a con man who was a liar, a philanderer, (SmYth lied to his wife, Emma about his adultery (disguised as polygamy) he was a pedpohile, and arsonist,and a treasonist.

    You are rambling on like a typical, brainwashed, Mobot.

    I'm through with you, so PISS OFF.

  • Bye outlaw

    Go cry and "lick your wounds" to your ex-mormom activity.ROFL

    BTW have a lessons of english you really need to improve your vocabulary.

  • Cesarius;

    I've just offered you a quote from one of your esteem Mobots.

    I'll bey you lie awake at night, fantasizing about being one of Joseph SmYth's "wives", dont you??

  • "awake at night, fantasizing about being one of Joseph SmYth's "wives", dont you?? "

    Now I see your problem!!! LOOOOOOOOL

    ROFL

    I'm really sorry for you. You have shown the decadence of an ex-mormon. You need help!!! I mean medical help

  • if the bishop did in fact cover up the abuse he is an ass. but now i have to ask, why the hell did the women not report it to the police herself?

  • zombie In the mormon church the Bishop acts for God .He is seen as the most trustworthy man to see because he speaks for God for the members.They are conditioned to ask for his counsel in all matters.

  • yeah i know all of that, im speaking to the people who are critisizing him. i personally do not think he has done anything wrong i am just speaking on their terms to point out that the women should have just gone to the police.

  • It's a fairly standard term and not by any means the property of the Roman Catholic Church.

  • Mormons believe that they have the right to lie if it serves their selfrighteous and sanctimonious purposes.

    Just a few weeks ago, another good, "Holy" Mormon man was arrested in Texas for Sexual Assault & indeceny with a child....the crime was committed at the Mormon Stake in Windcrest, texas, which is a suburb of San Antonio.

  • outlaw ,

    Do you have a link for the Texas sexual assault or more information ? There seems to be an increasing nature of these Mormon sexual assaults against children ....

  • I don't know that there is a link, Elder Joe. The article appeared in the local community newspaper a couple of weeks ago.

    I grew up in the area where this stake is located, & I attended a few services there when I was an investigator.

  • "Mormons believe that they have the right to lie if it serves their selfrighteous and sanctimonious purposes"

    That's not mormon doctrine.

  • That's a lame excuse to hide behind. Robert Millet is an expert in teaching missionaries to deceive & sidestep.

    This case is another excellent example of Mormon's lying to protect themselves.

  • not lame excuse, show us any quote from our doctrine saying that we have the right to lie. It's easy to spread anti-mormon comments, but prove them it's impossible

  • Go read the writings of Hugh Fibley and Dallin Oaks.

    They both "lied For THe Lord" regarding the mater of The Hoffman forgeries.

  • After 5 months that's your only argument! Ridiculous!!! Helloooooo I think I asked you to quote something for our doctrine that we have the right to lie. Our doctrine is in the Bible, D&C, BOM and PGP. Be objective man!!! I could shown to you millions of lies done by evangelics and that doesn't mean that the evangelic churches have a doctrine to lie.

  • Cesarcris;

    If your Mormon doctrines do not allow for lying, then one must ask why LDS has such notable liars within it's ranks....

    Hugh Fibbley was one of the best!!

    Then, you have Robert Millet and Dallin Oaks, and others teaching sidestepping, deceiving, and engaging in selective use of the truth.

    So, spare me the "It's not part of our doctrine" crap... the fact is, Mormons DO advocate dishonesty, deceit, and convoluted and censored use of the truth, as long as it is "faith promoting".

  • Once again do you have anything in our doctrine allowing to lie? You know we don't. So your arguments are silly. Ofcourse there's liars among the LDS people, but you also found many of them between all religions. Nobody is perfect.

    Judging a 13 million people religion with sentences like "Mormons DO advocate dishonesty" because some of our members lied is quite stupid.I'm a LDS and I don't advocate dishonesty.

    You are the one who must spare me with your prejudiced comments.

  • Cesar;

    So, if lying is "not part of your doctrine", then why do your good, holy, Mobot leaders like Robert Millet, Hugh Fibbley, and Dallin Oaks advocate deceit and selective use of the truth??

  • I could answer if I was the one that advocates a selective use of truth. So what my leaders advocate you better ask to the source. Go ask them!!!

    What I know for sure there's nothing in our doctrine allowing to lie. And I asked you SEVERAL TIMES a quote from our scriptures confirming your theory. YOU NEVER ANSWERED!!!

    You avoided to answer doing another question. This attitude only proved you are obsessed with the Church and not interested in exposing the truth.

  • So you accuse my leaders of using a selective use of the truth, but the only one I saw doing that was you!!! Isn't that funny!!! LOL

  • Cesarcis;

    Since the entire Book of Mormon is nothing but total fabrication and plagarized writings, and since, by your own admission, your cult's leaders engage in selective use of the truth, and have documented histories of deceit, your wanting to call a Mobot "King'sX" is nothing more that trying to exculpate your church from it's history of L.ies D.eceit and S.idestepping based upon what you perceive as some technicality.

    BoM is a book of lies, so there can be no truth to your doctrines.

  • Well the only fabrication I see here are your comments.

    You are the one accusing millions of people (all LDS people) as being liars because you knowm some LDS are liars.

    For me this is a dishonest comment

    "and since, by your own admission, your cult's leaders engage in selective use of the truth" I don't admit the LDS Church leaders advocate a selective use of truth. My point was that IF (and that's merely a hipothesis)any leader was a liar you can't say all the members are liars.

  • Was interesting you trying to play with my own words. But I really advice you not to do it. BTW I'm Portuguese and I don't understand your "meat" vocabulary. Expressions like "Mobot" "King'sX" I don't understand. I checked the dictionary and THEY AREN't THERE!!! So please use "milk" expressions.ROFL

    Hey sorry you are an ex-mormon and ex-mormon never use milk expressions. I forgot the ex are very intelligent they have the eyes open and we don't Loooooool

  • Casarius;

    The many sciences, including anthropology, geography, metallurgy, agronomy, zoology, as well as DNA studies clearly contradict The Book of Mormon. The demographics alone are mathematically impossible.

    LDS has tried to excuse away the matter of demographics and DNA by concocting the "Limited Geography Theory; but the LGT is clearly in conflict with The Book of Mormon.

    Sorry, but the Book of Mormon is pure fiction; no amount of warm, fuzzy feelings or testimony will change that.

  • These subjects are interesting but aren't relevant to this discussion. You are trying to change subject because I detected you were doing wrong, more exactly you were doing false accusations against the Church members without a logical basis.

    So I'm expecting you to retreat your stupid comments that all LDS people are liars.

  • Cesarcris;

    How can you claim that these matters are not relevant to the discussion??

    The Book of Mormon is fiction; therefore, it's doctrines and covenants are all fiction.

    No false accusations here; the sciences clearly disprove The Book of Mormon. You keep crying "false accusations"..

    PROVE IT!! PROVE that my accusations are false!!

    Here you are, someone who follows the teachings of a con man who stared at magic rocks in his hat, and you claim that MY comments are stupid??

  • I already proved was false your acusation. You didn't quote no scripture allowing lies Let me remember were talking about lies not the BOM. these arguments are merely doctrinal and out of context.

    Keep yourself focused in the subject. For me someone who changes subject or isn't defending the truth or have some contentration problems.

  • Cesarius;

    You have proved nothing, you lying asshole!!

    "My duty os a man of The Counsel of Twelve is to protect what is most unique about LDS. EVERYTHING may be sacrificed in order to maintain the integrity of those facts.

    Dallin Oaks

    There, Cesarius!! Now let's hear your lame Mobot excuses!!

  • 1) I asked you for a quote from our scriptures not from general authorities.

    2) I also already told you if you have any problem with what dallin Oaks has said go ask him what he was trying to say

    3)Your quote is incomplete you must post the reference

    4)At first sight I don't see Oaks saying that LDS must lie. "Everything" is generic and we must understand the context to understand what he is saying. So you must give the reference

  • ONE MORE TIME. Stop using stupid vocabulary. I already told you I don't understand words that aren't real (like Mobot)If you keep talking this way I will think I'm talking to a baby... mobot gugugu dadada (outlaw and babies talking Rofl)

  • Keep the excuses and justifications going, Cesarius!!

    Keep repeating them to yourself and who knows??

    Someday, YOU might even believe them!!

  • Oh, and one more thing, Cesarius...

    I know that you are a brainwashed Mobot, but you have no control over my writing style of my choice of words.

    So, ONE MORE TIME:

    You are an inconsequential Mobot.... go play with your daddy Dallins "Magic Rocks"!!

  • Poor Outlaw, you are giving so many lame excuses but I'm still waiting the quote from the scriptures allowing LDS to lie. Why don't you admit you did a false accusation? Ho I see is easier for you to keep talking like a baby mobot guuu ddaaa. Well you better change your diapers they are stinking

  • Cesarius;

    You continue to convolute the truth. I never claimed that your scripturres allow you to lie; I am saying that you do it anyway.

  • "You continue to convolute the truth. I never claimed that your scripturres allow you to lie; I am saying that you do it anyway"

    No one is perfect in the LDS people. I know some LDS people who are or were liars (most of them inactives) but I also know many who are very honest. As I live in a 90% Catholic Country, I know more Catholic liars than LDS. Should I have a conclusion that Catholic are liars? Ofc not!!!

    You are not being fair in your judgement about the LDS people

  • Cesarcris;

    The fact that you attempt to excuse away the lies of Mormons discredits LDS's claim of being the "One True Church",

    As far as catholics are concerned, I am an Ex-Catholic and I have completely renounced Christianity as a whole, so you'll have to try to peddle that lame response to those who are more easily duped.

  • The only one giving lame excuses is you. The LDS people should have a goal to achieve perfection (Mat 5:48) but they aren't perfect. One person's mistake is not reflective of the whole church. And mixing some members behaviours with Church doctrine is a kind stupid.

    Outlaw, your hate against the church is eating your brains

  • Cesarcris;

    I've offered no excuses; I have nothing that needs excusing.

    This Y/T Vid. is about an LDS Bishop who covered up sexual abuse that was going on in the "One True Church".

    Sorry, any church rhat would allow tat type of conduct, then, through our legal system, atempt to deny culpability, is not a true church at all.

    Were LDS a "true church", they would have stepped up to the plate, admitted their guilt, they would have appropriated funds to help the victim.

  • I am former Amish, and they too want to believe that they are this "one true church". And they too have sexual abuse.

  • @mrdeleted someone else did the abuse. Not the church

  • @weaismaui Well that was clear enough to me. I did watch the video.

  • @mrdeleted blame it on the person not the church. church is perfect, people are not. alot of people come inactive upon peoples actions and they start hatting on the religion. wrong wrong wrong 

  • @hanypants No one, is perfect, not even those that are high ranking members of a church, in fact religion is the cause of a lot of the world's problems, even though they want to promote them self as the solution, they are not. Only Jesus is the solution. (I used to be Amish)

  • A million dollar DNA study shows Natives were not descendants to the Isreals and any of the tribes like Lehi. that shows joseph smith is a liar.

  • Did the million dna study does say anything about the haplotype X? "Overall haplogroup X accounts for about 2% of the population of Europe, the NEAR EAST and North Africa" (wikipedia)Haplogroup X is also present in the American Indian. Did the Israelites are not from Near East?

  • Its million dollar retard. Yes they tested and prove that there is no correlation between jews and the 450 tribes.

  • References to prove that! Or you don't know where is that published? I think you don't. Anti mormon books no thanks they dont worth a dollar

  • Don't needs an apostrophe.

  • I'm Portuguese and English isn't my native language. I'm sorry for my mistakes. Anyway I'm still waiting for the references.

  • An oxford scientist has proven what you just said to be false. I beleive it was dawkins. Need to do some homework.

  • It's easy to say names but you don't show no scientific publication. So give the references (if you ever had them)

    dawkins never studied BOM Dna, no one ever did a research to prove the veracity of the BOM. The anti-mormon publications as the ones published by murphy or southerton only used data from other researchers with different goals and selected the data that was relevant to support their points. Their works are biased and not scientifical.

  • may i ask what religion you follow yourself? i am sure that i can find plenty of legal cases to point out that no religion is free of the plague of evil.

  • Wat een Grof Schandaal!

  • The Mormon Church is NOT and CANNOT be the true church. Do you know why ?

    Because God himself restored the true church at the ends of the earth, in the far east, coinciding with the outbreak of the First World War in 1914 by virtue of biblical prophecies.

    The fulfillment is the IGLESIA NI CRISTO (Church of Christ).

    The restoration of the true church or the IGLESIA NI CRISTO tells us that the Mormon Church !

  • Bishops should just hand over anything like this to experts as they are told to. Even if she told a friend and later denied it he should have sent Social Services in to investigate at least his back would have been covered even if she blanked them as well.

  • I am a former member of the Church of Jesus Christ and latter day saints. I came to the realization after researching mormonism and Joseph Smith as a prophet of God that it was all a made up fairy tale. There was no Golden Plates. It's all a real good story and that is all it ever will be. Two missionaries molested my sister and the Bishop did nothing.

  • One person's mistake is not reflective of the whole church.

    Also, the Bishop can't really do anything to prevent a child abuse. I'm not saying he shouldn't have said anything if he knew, but as far as I know if they hear of something like this happening they say "Report this to the police or CPS, because I can't do anything to stop it."

  • Could be alot of Tithing money going to abuse victims if this proves true . Religions are all the same .They like to look clean on the outside and ignore the ugly realities within . thank goodness its only a minority of sick and twisted people and most people are Saints.

  • I find it quite strange that the church doesn't have to report child abuse in Washington... but I also think that this report was framed it a somewhat biased manner...

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