F-16 just avoid a crash...

[ItsEricAZ]

I'm positive this was a USAF F-16A stationed at Kunsan AB ROK that collided with a Marine F-4 over S Korea during air to air training in 1983. The F-4's wing tip tore off at the hinge and was lodged in the F-16's engine. The F-16 flat spins until it crashes in mud flats off of the coast while the F-4 was able to safely land at Kunsan AB.

[abcabcabdfg]

Most modern jets are equipped with fly-by-wire which allows the jets to get close without crashing. the computer controls it all and lets the pilots get close to each other to a certain distance. How to you think the blue angels fly all grouped together closely? thumbs up so everyone knows lol

[unforgetfulenhk]

looks like F117..

[DansFFR]

To me it looks like an F-18 Aggressor. The tail appears to be too tightly close to be an F-22, plus the vid is alot older

[JetMechMA]

It's amazing....the pilot in the camera plane had GREAT instincts and swerved away from the head-on just fine....and actually turned hard to pursue before the call to knock it off. Amazing instincts and reflexes.

[dixievfd55]

That is why you check your closure rate! I would definately be changing underwear after landing!

[turbatos7]

No, it looks like an F-22, look at its tail with 2 V shape wings...

[governmentcheese411]

jeez people, get better graphics cards or eye glasses. its 2 f-16s. likely by the chatter to be doing maneuvers.

[szczaw55]

f18 hornet

[JetMechMA]

szczaw55

I agree, F-18. That was my first impression because I see a centerline drop tank and possibly twin tails. The wings droop. I think F-16s carried centerline drop tanks too, didn't they? In any case the approaching aircraft has a target designator box around it in the camera plane's HUD. Don't they also have a velocity vector arrow coming out of the box somewhere? So why the close call?

[faabound]

@JetMechMA The fact that there was a break "X" tells you the two aircraft were going to collide. The X appears when the closure rate and angle are pure. If you listen you hear the pilot say "Holy sh*t" Prior to the knock it off. BTW for all the greeks and turks arguing about the fact that this was a real fight , look in the lower left corner where the word "SIM" is clearly visible. Also so if this is a real fight , how did the bad guy WRM to the merge? Bad radar mech and poor geometry?

[SluggoF16]

@JetMechMA Failure to adhere to ROE is why they almost traded paint. Close calls like that DO get one's attention.

[JetMechMA]

@SluggoF16 Yes they do. What is ROE, by the way?

[jonesy97]

@JetMechMA ROE is Rules Of Engagement, and yes, my "IFF" was a typo. Good catch. Of course, I meant IFE. I was in the USAF on F-111's, and working on the flightline, I've seen a lot of them. Usually with that jet, the emergency was- no flaps, no slats. You talk about a damn fast landing!

[faabound]

@jonesy97 Where did you work 111s and what years, I had a lot of MX bros at Lakenheath.

[jonesy97]

@faabound Cannon AFB 1987-88, and Lakenheath from '88 to Mar '92. When I first got to the UK, I was working in the 494th weapons- Gator. A year later, I got "elevated" to a weapons load training instructor, so I worked out of the load barn. That was with the 48th AGS and CRS.

[braxis9]

yay :O crap that was close ...

[rayj86]

you all are retarded... its clearly two hornets (early 90's) by the HUD symbology and AC profile

[gummess]

Software on hud symboligi indicates to me, that the clip is old. Say 1989- 1991 !

That outrules f-22. Hornet? na. its bigger.

They are caling knok it off several times, whits indicates it is a rutine 1v1 1v2 training mision. 90% of those is whit simelar types of jets. My gues is it is another f-16, and that they was debrifing 30 min later, trying to find out what went wrong.

[sniffydog123]

dude their saying bug off not knock it off! and its a model 4t-r-y. its like a late 80s model.

[nexusdawn]

sniffydog123: They're saying 'knock it off'. Standard terminology for ending a dogfight training mission.

[campgirl1994]

for the looks of its airframe id say its an f-117 because look at its stabilizers couldn't be an f-18 and not an f-16......just saying.

[raderrader3911]

your most likely right but my mind is'nt made up due to the shitty qualty of the vid your observations are noted

[grandekinoks1978]

the vtr from greece. turkish pilots are fuck the greece pilot. same as last. turkish pilots are very brave.

[panictactics]

It's another F-16 assholes

[F110GE129VIPER]

Could you explain exactly why I AM an asshole? I`m curious.

[panictactics]

Your shitty user name for starters...

[F110GE129VIPER]

Do you know what it means?

[panictactics]

yes

[raderrader3911]

an f-16 dosent have 2 vertical stablizers in the shape of a v now does it look at vid closely asshole

[F110GE129VIPER]

F117.

[migkiller001]

Ya, at 16 seconds you can see the placement if the dual engine intakes are at the bottom of the wing curving inwards. Definitely F-18

[migkiller001]

OK, maybe I was wrong. After reviewing the vid it looks like an F-18. So that explains everything, it was a Naval Aviator!!! No wonder he didn't know what was going on!!

I am gonna get eaten alive for that comment, oh well at least i know i pissed somebody off today.

[migkiller001]

At 0:16 pause and it looks like a Raptor. The wings and tail at 0:17 definitely look like a raptor. Now if you have 2000+ hours in F-15s or F-16s and are flying a 140 million dollar piece of equipment in a crowded area, you think you might glance ahead to SEE WHERE THE FUCK YOU ARE FLYING!!!!!!

[cookiemster2]

it looks like the game "air combat 1 2 3 4 5 or 6"

[shoootme]

looks like a F-16 to me, huge single intake under the main body and a single tail. but its very hard to make it out on this vid

[GZahos]

There's almost no chance this happened over the aegean. The pilot says what sounds like "oh shit", and after that the repeating "knock it off", which commonly means to terminate an exercise. They are neither Greeks, nor Turks. They are more than likely Americans.

Kateli, you are wrong on this one, simply admit it.

And by the way, i am Greek.

[cra83]

i agree with you on what the pilot says, "oh, shhhiit" as the plane closes on the f-16 and he repeats "knock it off" after it has passed

[Jimderkaisser]

Ohh shit so close from the disaster

[twinnuke]

Who the fuck cares where you live or what you own. Lets take away the entire planet earth and see how well you breath is space.

[katelis153]

stevetheshit,you piese of shit, first of all greeks pilots , they use the english "pilot" language.

second I know much better from you about this video, and you call me nationalist you fucking american bastard. who the fuck you thing you're doing around the world? do you want to speak about irag you bitch?

[stevethepilot]

This is a mock dogfight. The oncoming aircraft is another F-16. The pilot is speaking English and is saying "Knock it off, knock it off." They're not supposed to take head-to-head passes because it is too risky.

katelis153 is referring to a different video where a Greek and a Turkish F-16 found themselves locked in a dogfight. I'm not sure about the details, all I know is that a bunch of nationalist little bitches come on youtube to talk about shit they know almost nothing about.

[katelis153]

grgelo. that "version" as you called is a true fact. it was on the news for several days as the both countries came very close to another crises. what exactly you don't believe?

[grgelo]

First the source that i take the video is not HAF, second can you understand what the pilot saying? is that Greek or even English?

[jonesy97]

The only part of it I could understand of it was "Knock it off, knock it off." Military pilot-speak for to all aircraft participating in an exercise or event to cease the current flight plan, attain level flight, adapt a situational awareness, and await further instructions. This is usually due to an actual impact either aircraft to aircraft, or aircraft to ground. If you hear "IFF", that's in-flight emergency.

[grgelo]

tnx that was very useful!

[panictactics]

Don't encourage these morons please.

[faabound]

@jonesy97 Actually IFE is in flight emergency, IFF is Identification Friend or Foe.

[jonesy97]

@faabound I know this. My "IFF" was just a typo.

[SluggoF16]

@jonesy97 The term IFF has to do with electronic identification, not emergencies. That's IFE. Not sure why they called "knock-it-off" if it's a Turk-v-Greek engagement; KIO is usually reserved for training only as mentioned. This video's been around a while. Demonstrates the importance of adhering to pure-pursuit head-on attack restrictions.

[jonesy97]

@SluggoF16 Yeah, it was a typo. Thx.

[faabound]

@SluggoF16 Sluggo you are right , Knock it off (KIO) is a safety of flight training term. We don't use knock it off in actual ops. I see the argument all the time between Turks and Greeks yet the Hud always says SIM in the lower left corner. KIO is passed between friendly fighters to stop the training immediatley. It is passed on a frequency all players are using . So, two opposing countries wouldn't be on the same freqs. So, not a war over the Agean, a war game somewhere.

[JetMechMA]

@jonesy97 I know you just made a typo but IFF is Identification Friend or Foe. inflight emergency is IFE.

[katelis153]

the both planes are f-16. this happened over the agean sea in greece. the asshole is turkish pilot that overflies over national borders of greece and greek f-16 has intergaged him. last year happened a worst thing by simmular way, and the result. greek pilot dead and the turkish ingured.

FUCK TURKEY FACISM, AEGEAN SEA IS GREEK!!!

[grgelo]

I've heard that version but to be honest i don't believe it.

[SlamDuncDrummer]

@katelis153

Aegean sea is considered International waters unless within 12nm of Greece or Turkey.

[Jamestub3]

other plane was an F-18 or a f-22

[kmilo7777]

at the first i though it was a harrier

but then it looked like a f16 .....

although in part... it seems to have a sukhouis nose.. so im not sure...

id say its a harrier bcos the engine lol

im nt rlly good with HUD

[Familyguy098]

if u listen u can hear the pilot say "ooooh Shit!"

[wlollpop]

looked like an f-22 to me... but i was never good at HUD cameras like this.

[s2s2b]

AC6 played on a shit tv with a camcorder in sepia mode :) so shut up

[akonx]

This is an F16, look at the HUD moron

[rtrThanos]

That's an F-16 HUD, and what looks like an F-16 during the head-to-head pass. Looks like the beginnings of a great dogfight!

[Familyguy098]

the other guy crashed

[thelawenforcer001]

this is a training exercise between 2 f-16's. i think you can tell by the hud.

[Member01289]

Fuckin Ace Combat 5

[fsxstuntsquad]

ah no!!!!!

[theyellowrose1977]

Member01289, Fails.

[wraith444]

LOL!!!!!

[VuijkT]

Hi grgelo,

I've posted the same video;) (sorry about that) and a guy said that this are two F-16's dogfighting over the Aegean Sea (Turkey vs. Greece) the one recording is Turkish.

Regards,

Tim

[danielalien]

in a british accent:

bugger bugger bugger:P

[F22RaptorFF]

thats not a f-22 it doesn't make that noise only the older fighters do like the f-15 and f-16

[microsoft914914]

F-22 shoot down A few Hornets in Alaska.

[Merlin161]

A Superhornet managed to get a gun kill on a F-22 though the kill was disallowed. There's a nice image of an F-22 in the Super Hornet's sights.

[F22RaptorFF]

super hornets are 8g fighters because of there wings and if thats true well lets say he was very very lucky. o and normaly the f-22 isn't going to be dogfighting in close quarters just long rand first look first kill

[CBirdieUK]

shame the long range never works in practice.

[CBirdieUK]

shame the long range never works in practice.

[F22RaptorFF]

well in real life the longer the range the wider the spread of bullets they dont have a 20ft long barrel like the a-10 they just have a 4 foot barrel and thats going to spread at long range

[bubu7774]

Actually it was a dogfight were the F22 had already made a kill, this f18. Then, the F/A18 reentered the combat zone. The driver of the F22 knew that this guy was a hole in the ground already and didn't take any avoiding maneuvers. In other words, it cheated!

[bubu7774]

...Sorry, post it in a wrong clip...

[doud212]

which one were you talking abou please ?

[BuyUSAsEthanolKilOil]

no you can't tell me the F-22 is not capable of landing on a carrier... they say the structure isn't strong enough (light weight)but the plane is outfitted with an arresting hook... do you really think the US government would invest that much money in a plane that couldn't land on a carrier...

and i meant never seen or shot down by another plane... not ground radar or SAM's

[PashMaster01]

The F-15 had an arrestor hook, and was not carrier borne aircraft.

[BuyUSAsEthanolKilOil]

yeah true... its for the safety line at the end of most runways... thats what they say the one on the f-22 is said to be for...

i heard the carrier thing from a reliable source... and i said the same thing... the F22 just seems like a carrier plane to me... small, light, powerful, stable, and it can get off the ground around 1000 feet... it might be able to get off a carrier without the catapult... not that it would be beneficial.

[PashMaster01]

The F-15 is a very performant plane, even more performant that the F/A-18F in some cases, and it isn't carrier borne. That is because of the space. It is very large, and space is precious on a CVN Nimitz carrier. The F-22A is much larger than the F-15, so that is a large reason why it is not carrier certified. Also, the Navy already has a stealth fighter, the F-35B Lightning II. No point spending more money for having 2 stealth fighters.

[teiladay]

((chuckle)) MOST every U.S. Fighter aircraft has an arrester hook! Most every military runway has an arrester system as well and the cables are across the runway MOST of the time. When landing in smaller aircraft, we just land a few feet 'beyond' the cable(s) spread across the touchdown zone.

[gforcewarrior]

Both aircraft involved are F-16's. Neither are even American operated.

F-22's and EF-2000's are yet to engage in any way. Why you people think you know anything? I couldn't begin to guess.

[BuyUSAsEthanolKilOil]

or at least not that we know of... my cousin is in the navy and told me they had four f-22 on his carrier for almost two weeks... that plane is so sophisticated the enemy wouldn't know it was being used

during training exercises the F-22 has a perfect record and has never been seen visually or on radar... it shot down 5 F-15 without being seen...

f-15 pilots simply called it "terrifying" and claimed "they never wish to be in the same air space again unless they were flying one"

[gforcewarrior]

Your cousin huh? Well I'm in the Navy and separately a pilot and can tell you that the F-22 is not capable of carrier operations in the configurations presently produced, nor are there any plans to produce such a model. Also, it has been seen visually in training exercises and even "shot down". Stealth is not the end all be all, or even as stealthy as you might think. It's the pilot, not the plane. The F-22 is a truly remarkable aircraft, but it's not invincible.

[PashMaster01]

Are you sure? The Raptor has never been in a real combat zone. So how did it shoot down the Eagles?

Unless your referring to Aggressor squadrons, but that still doesn't explain the comment.

[BuyUSAsEthanolKilOil]

it didn't "shoot" down the f-15's.... but "defeated" them. it was a US training exercise... but still they were interviewing the pilots of the F-15's and they said it was like fighting a ghost... all they could do was drop flairs and make evasive maneuvers, not even knowing where the missle was coming from

[PashMaster01]

Ah, so it was an aggresoor exercise. OK, now I understand.

[youfuckingtossers]

One was a Russian pilot who thought he was at an airshow, the other was American who thought the other plane was friendly (blue on blue).

[rms42]

Knock-It-Off (KIO) and Terminate Procedures: Use KIO or Terminate procedures to direct aircraft to stop engagements, scenarios and tactical maneuvering. KIO Procedures. A KIO call ceases all tactical maneuvering and the overall scenario. Use KIO procedures for the following:If safety of flight is a factor.

A dangerous situation is developing.

Aircraft malfunctions affecting safety of flight.

[drunkenfrog]

pretty sure "knockin off" is a term the thunderbirds use when something goes wrong during a routine so the other pilots stop focusing on the manoeuver and focus on making sure nothing else goes wrong. and they use F-16s to my knowledge.

[duckfool]

Drunkenfog, nothing has to have gone wrong, it's just brevity code to mark the cessation of the present excersize or activity.

BTW: The term is 'knock it off', and it's used by the entire Air Force and Navy.

[drunkenfrog]

thanks for clearin that up

[ysblueangels]

Not a Raptor. That's an F-16's HUD and an F-16 that nearly collided with it.

[sonofhendrix]

was this a combat situation or 2 friendlys?

[okano186]

yes demonfragriz prove it and dont give me that fake international review! come here and prove it!

[wildwindsca]

you can hear the guy say "HOLY SHIT!!!"

[okano186]

21StCenturyWarfare ur a dumbass how is the f-22 crap when it can blow anything in the sky?

Correction? ur a dumbass, the end

[demonofragriz]

can u prove it? i can prove that ef 2000 blew up craptor

[RSsnowolf4]

Using an unreliable source isn't proof sorry... I can prove that the EF-2000 and Raptor never met in combat and they WILL for the first time in Red Flag 08.. continue to deny my facts im sending you?

Continue living a lie... enjoy it!

[21StCenturyWarfare]

F-22 CRAPTOR

[Makedonwow]

Damn, that was close O_O

[LoudS1l3nc3]

Hmmm. i think that are two F-16

[KarpuzcuAmca]

and yes that is a f15

[landsofborder]

that was a f-16 coliding with a f-15 that cockpit is a f15 style

[gerry301]

I've seen the video before , I believe its an F15 in a midair crash. F22 has no record of midair crashes and if it did it would be big news.

[Agent0range67]

Not yet...

[KarpuzcuAmca]

u guys are dumbass.

f-22 is a machine too and it is not even the best compare to russian toys.

f22 crashed couple of times and once it crashed very close to china so chinese had the plane and copied the parts before they gave it back tou, u remember?

[Nazzet]

Wasn't that just a inspection plane?

[KarpuzcuAmca]

nope f22.

if you are not that young, you should rememebr it.

chinahas given f22 back to usa but i belive they copied before they give it back.

copying an airplane is very easy actually.

the matter is patent and license

[Merlin161]

It may have happened in a movie but not in real life. At the time period that you specify the F-22 was still undergoing flight tests and had NEVER been outside the United States.

You must be talking about the U.S. Navy EP-3E Aries ELINT aircraft that the Chinese forced down then cut up and examined before giving it back to the USA.

[Kilgore4sho]

China has never had their hands on an F-22. They had their hands on an EP-3 that was gutted by the crew before it even landed.

[PashMaster01]

Are you sure? The F-22A has basically never been outside of the US, and the first time it did was to go to Hawaii. And I'm sure it never even flew close to China. If you don't believe me, Google it.

[KarpuzcuAmca]

Yuo are wrong, how old are you , may i ask?

that happened like 8 to 10 years ago.. i dont rememebr the exact date. IT was all over the new and yes buddy i am sure.

china always copy things.. didnt u know that they copied uk and french aircraft carriers?

[PashMaster01]

Are you talking about the Chinese J-14?

[Kilgore4sho]

Actually one of the squadrons is based out of a USAF base in Guam , which is FAR from the US

[PashMaster01]

I know quite a few are located outside of the US, but never knew one crash near China.

Ah well, not a Raptor fan anyway.

[elgrecoXI]

Raptor??? Mallon 2 vipers....