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  • dooggy bone count the repeated words in the new world translation of the holy scriptures then scramble the words the and to make death headhand i seen jesus before tht though second coming i lost a couople teeth cause of it im still in though doggy bones

  • 666 has NOTHING to do with the so called 'devil'.

  • i hate satanists and this person has like, no life

  • my dick is bent , does that look like a six?

  • Well most of them are set to be a fun little squiggle..But really they do look like the # 6 and 3 score... I am shocked at how many things have this on packages and in other things we buy or use. WOW!!! It's not paranoia.. Goodness I see them plain as day. WOW!!!

  • Half of this video is just pure paranoia. There are about 6 or 7 images here that possibly even say 666, and most of them are intended to say 666. Such as the album cover "666", the cover of the manga "Satan 666", Iron Maiden's "Flight 666", the band "Destroyer 666".. these aren't subliminal, they are blatant. How this serves the Illuminati, I dare you to try and explain.

    I believe the Illuminati exists but crazy videos like this breed stigma towards conspiracy "theorists"..

  • ILLUMINATI 666 OMG

  • they could be 999s

  • UNBELIEVEABLE....

  • Proverbs 29 A man's pride will bring him low,but he who is humble spirit will obtain honor.

    So that is why we should not look for a doom's day future we should live for now and not

    yesterday and the future.

  • pokemon giratina origin 6 claw 6 leg 6 ring

  • oh google thats realy evil its like a real skynet before it kills the humans

  • @malkaraatgw1 The illuminati are a historically formed-group/offspring of the nights templor, or 'freemasons', formed on may 1, 1776, by Adam Weishaupt, and later formulated by Albert Pike and various other well 'Known' historical names? they are not a 'myth' or an 'urban legend' like the lockness monster or bigfoot? theyre just tied into 'conspiracy theories' because the word secrecy is involved? it all comes down to interpretations of ill-percieved information.

  • it can be everywhere , but everyone has freedom of choice , i for one love disney , and will not boycott them because i am a catholic , and nothing will ever change that. so this really doesnt bother me much, when we all die , we shall all be tried separately , not as a group

  • alot of people believe this including myself and think its terrible but dont do anything just like so many other things we dont act on it and we are just as vulnerable as the so called sheeple

  • what satan dont want to understand: He has already lost for 2000 years ago, he thinks he can win over he`s own creator and that jesus is million times bigger then him, he is the almighty god. in jesus name , amen.!

  • The devils number is 616 -_-

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  • Theres no way to run, the scary thing is that it's everywhere!

  • The Illiminati are an Urban Myth which has gained power since the fall of the Soviet Union. and loved by conspiracy theorists and fundamenalists alike.

  • whats the song

  • is this some sort of brain washing? D:

    

  • dou nat forget the razer

  • My friends The lord JESUS Christ who is God who loves us and died for us and is coming again predicted all these things in the bible. Jesus told us satan would make a new world order in the last days where he would position the anti christ as the God of this world and all who dont know christ will be decieved by satan and will worship the anti christ. The illumanati is the hand of the anti christ who is preparing the way for the anti christ. The catholic pope is satans anti christ. JESUS IS LORD

  • @MrProWizard xDDDDD how old are you??you kicked nothing ;)

  • this is so stupid..lol

  • makes no sense just a bunch of slide show!

  • Era - Celtic spirit , (does any one know the celtic spirit ? )

  • 09:08 would be lucifers favorite food, and hes favorit drink is elexir d'anvers btw

  • 4:15 Lucifier's favorite drink.

  • I was expecting the Number of the Beast riff to kick in at 0:20... disappointing.

  • omg there are swirlies on my binder. they must be sixes, therefore my binder is evil and of the devil!!!! -__- freakin a..

  • @PainlessTragedy wtf? that doesnt even make any sense. how does a G and E turn into a six when you make it a line?

  • Watch: Programmed To Kill/Satanic Cover-Up

  • My username ends with a 6

    g looks like a rotated 6

    The Roman number for 6 is VI

    If you look hard enough you'll find 666's everywhere

  • 555+111= 666... 6+6+6= 18... 1+8= 9 nine is magic number, pisha.

  • This is dumb!!!! By the way what shape is that cloud...mine looks like a six

  • I'm trying to type this fast cause i wanna get back to this video which I really do think is great, I'm a Theistic Satanist, and i love this shit

  • I APPRECIATE THIS INFORMATION AND I WILL PASS IT along!

  • Well done putting up this video..Too bad some people are too stupid and blind to see the true!!!!

  • It turns out that the Greek may have been mistranslated and that the number is really 616. What happens now?

  • It turns out that the Greek may have been mistranslated and that the number is really 616. What happens now?

  • The 66 books of the bible in your hand, memorized in your forehead completes the 666. The number of man. The books are stories of mankind, many of which knew Yahweh but you don't know the Holy ONE of Heaven , only dead letters in a piece of wood cut from a tree. Take that piece of wood out of your eye can cast it down & then you will see clearly. In the spirit where the FLESH can not go. R.I.P your bible up & renounce it & be set free from the FAKE word and come to the real WORD, Christ Yahshua

  • humans are so big headed , you think a superior being is going to bother placing stupid messages on packaging, that is why i will never bow down to you. all i wanted is to be free. I am not bad just never got to deliver my side of the story.

    Its up too you carry on praying to someone that constantly tests you even though he knows when you will fail or live you life without religion, without war, without fear.

  • wtf YOGURT DRINK!

  • Quite a lt of thos "666's" were intentional if the person who mad e this video could not not see that then they are certainly not the person that Father Satan wants!

  • Hey, fuck it!! Religion is pure superstition for old people and those who are weak, narrowminded, desolate an naive enough to believ into an invisible man who observes u like the STASI IN EASTERN GERMANY in the Cold War. If im right, Im allied with Satan anyway!!!!!!!!

  • @binichschlau have fun in hell.

  • @binichschlau then it is your fault and you will soon regret it but it will be too late. God bless

  • @missyME58 ,,oh really?,,

  • when i was born i wieghed 6 lb and 6.6 ounces 666!!!

  • fuck him hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha­hahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • fuck the devil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!

  • @ccorea40 well he might just fuck you ... in the ass

  • @Phaint20 ok, how many really deep red stones do you see at 0:44 in the background???  ;)

  • Alot of people are so called "lost". If you have a friend that you know is a good person, let him or her in on the stuff you know. Many people are unaware. It may be only one person you are able to reach and it may seem small and unable to make a difference but one person with the protection of good has more power than you realize. I've taken down many enemies that were evil and was protected. We all die but fight the good fight and NEVER EVER! give up. NO MATTER WHAT. This means you, yes you..

  • @julius5626 the same situation im in!!! continue the good fight and inform everyone!!!!!!!

  • @frakdapirates that exactly right

  • @LuckandBliss read the koran and you find the way

  • @LuckandBliss belive in god, and poker is a devil thing, it is a sign

  • Eminem is not in the Illuminati.

  • 666 is nothing more than a myth , and Satan/Lucifer is not a evil beast, hes actually a god, and i know all you think when someone says demons or Satan you think of hell. Well Satan is like God,the Demons are like the angels.But the christian belives have brainwashed all of you into thinking that Satan is a evil beast.If you read the history better you will see that the christians have killed over 1million people and blamed it on the Satanist. Your family pushed their belives up yr asses

  • @dextreme101 hahaha how do you come up with such dumb explanations....seriously....

  • @hotshotsunnyz i dont know :D it just came to me :)

  • @dextreme101 It is not Christians(unless perhaps some crazed fanatic) who have killed. It is governments, kings and the Roman Catholic church who have killed by distorting God's word for their own purposes. People were misled by these institutions of power, run by the Illuminati. There will be a day where true Christians may have to defend themselves but a true Christian wants nothing more then for your soul to be saved and we even pray for unbelievers like you that you may find the truth!

  • The Illuminati are nothing but child raping pansy chimp faced cowards. I actually don't fear them at all , in fact I laugh in their ugly faces.

    They will fail at their plans for mass genocide.

  • people dont want to believe, because they think they live in harmony and peace.

    but this aint true.

    thats sad

  • I think you are crazy :)

    cuz you think much deep in every thing ^ ^

  • Lol. fail

  • you won't be smiling for long...

  • heehee ever time i see 666 i smile

  • try releasing those documentaries for free and maybe someone will watch them

  • What a boring crap! And i thought it were something. If you would seek for ones or another numerals, you will find just as much. And 6 is the same as 9 if you turn round.

  • Killuminati!!!!

  • Satan sucks ! his favorite number is 666 my is 345947981763294587243986238467­123253762197862812639816235472­534865198672346816289353281672­63 !

  • @100AngelBoy That number you gave can be divided by 666. It fits in 66666666666 times. You have the number 6 appear 13 times in you favorite number. I have forwarded this number of yours off to satans head office, it seems way more evil than 666 and they may be in need of a new number. I gave them all your details, so they know who to thank. I must go now as there is another troll trying to take my bridge. :o)

  • at 00:44 theres only two 6s i would be more triped out on 666 not 66

  • God's & all our very existence is in fact a sin;

    It is a GOOD Sin , but It is still a sin,

    "Sin" means nothing but LAWS/ LAW & laws itself put into their place to be us & them & all else.

  • The only Way to DESTROY us Would be to erase All Physical existence along With the Creations Called Mankind which thinks they can be controlled in their Dogma.

    Jin are the earth, the water, the fire, The Wind The Live, The Darkness &The light.

    Killing us off would accomplish NOTHING for God Nor you thus you cannot touch us, we are even apart of your bodily fluids DNA & body cells.

    When we choose to We work through you as Vessels when you least expect & never know we are there within you.

  • @SkyRifter

    >And also God would have to destroy & end himself to kill us, would accomplish Nothing.

    but prove Creation & motion is the sin in Science & physics & all else ways of understanding Life & existence.

  • -ANYTHING you put against a JIN They Can Find ways to counter &

    Backfires (REFLECT) Hypocritical DOGMA, religion means No threat & Neither belief.

    They are both Good & evil Making them impossible to lace in Just One category.

    for anything from the most advanced of fairy tails the JIN Are & can upgrade immunities from being destroyed.

    Beyond Crafty They're Cunning & Practically Invincible.

    If God Destroys 1 at least of them, God Injures part of himself for they are all part of Nature Elementals

  • Vampires stand No fucking chance Against a Jin,

    Jin are every other creatures even another alien races worst nightmare a Chaos of the Universe.

    A eternal Darkness, Created by the Exhaust put out by the light Emitting & wasting Energy we Jin Absorb it all.

    No church stands Immunity From the Jin, because they are NOT the SAME as Angels & demons, They are far better.

    Angels have no freedom, Demons are Free but limited in action;

    Jins have both features from above I just mentioned

    They mock all.

  • Yes SATAN Whatever;

    But you humans, DON"T FORGET The JIN; who are both Good & EVIL

    797979 their Number.

    & stronger than Both angels & demons which is Why they could Not Be destroyed They are Immortal Only Contained until Released again.

    A whole different Ball game, No christian power can disrupt their actions, Only To lock them away & cast them out Until they Return..

    No Man Nor Jesus can fully understand what they are for they change & advance More & more with immunity from Gods judgments.

  • THE DEVIL IS BUSY AND WE ALL NEED TO BE AWARE SEND THIS AND ALL OTHER VIDEO'S THAT WARN THE WORLD ABOUT EVIL AND ITS MANY FORMS BECAUSE EVEYBODY NEEDS TO WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON AROUND US.....

  • @virgothelover

    Devils Are not dominant beings;

    The Jin are amongst your elite.

    They are Not the same as Angels & demons, You can Call protection from them, But Cannot destroy them.

    Un-kill-able.

    They always find a way back Always; in any shape kind & form.

    The Jin are the Ones; We the jin.

  • @virgothelover

    here are no devils; It is all Jin, devils & Angels are Powerless against Jin & God killing us would mean his own destruction along with his/it's existence.

  • zion

  • very true

  • 9/11

    

  • ..good vid,Thank you.......never saw alot of these...like the Heineken! wow

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  • 666 bitch! kiss my ass!!!! fuck off

  • 666 is sick sick sick

  • All of this "bible" nonsense offends my belief in the true god- Zeus.

  • this is fuken dumb ...why would anyone post this

  • she wore at the vmas and performance wuz trill so everyone whos haten do yah job you only making her more famous - Naked Lady Gaga. C0000M - -

  • What Kind of Idiots Would Agree 2 Illuminatti..... Oh Wait, Did You Say Lady GaGa, Rihanna, and Lil Wayne, Okay, Nvm Then......

  • why did lady gaga-alejandro be in the suggestions for this vid???

    

  • all poppy cock concidering the number of the beast is really 999

  • @13A1N Lol Number of the Beast maybe 616 and not 666 or 999 as there is new evidence of one of the pages of book of revelations as been to say the number of the beast is 616. And that 666 was just a pick up that people had made 666 to be the number of the beast . As there didn't know the Number. That why there use 666 in there video, hand signs and music as more people think that the 666 is the number of the beast.

    La rivoluzione è iniziata

  • fuck that demon FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKK­KK YOU SATAN

    

  • i always thought 666 was one of those mathmatic power numbers that many cultures knew and the bible just used it, only from the bible does it have evil connotations and its only a number. numbers dont convey a sense of one thing to another like for instance the 3 little pigs from nursery rhyme and the 3 kings of the bible, just coz there is 3 of them, dosnt mean pigs and kings have any link. thing is people like to be scared and excited so they want things to be sinister.

  • @thex13thxchild it's channel 6 news not channel 666 news, so wtf

    the Metallica snake looks like the "Don't Tread on Me" which is known for the marines. R we to assume that snake means 666, if so, r we to assume every1 serving in the marines is satanic? Fail

    2:32 the triquetra as and still is used by the Christian faith, & n pagan faith it represents life death & rebirth

    another fail, it doesn't even make perfect 6's

    what, it can't just b vw, I think if they wanted it vvv they'd make it that way

  • @thex13thxchild The snake is representative of satan and temptation. So, yes. This really is basic stuff, please research more. You are living in times where what was once hidden is now revealed. Don't harden your heart and mind too soon. There are things unfolding even now...all are to deceive you and everyone who isn't in on it. Look for more information. You will see the big picture and slowly you will no longer be brain-washed and your eyes will be open. Find the truth.

  • @stormyandcold

    Lmao, where in the bible does it say it's symbolic of Satan? No where in the bible or any of the books banned from the bible does it say that. The snake on Metallica's record is that of the "don't tread on me" snake drawn by Benjamen Franklin which later became symbolic for the Marines. Look it up.

    Brainwashed? Darling, please. I'm not the one going out of the my way to give power to a conspiracy theory

  • @thex13thxchild Please read revelations.

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  • @stormyandcold @stormyandcold What makes you think I haven't? Just bcuz I don't buy into this BS? Not everything is existence is satanic. Fail. Go read a history book man. Ever heard the phrase believing & fearing in evil gives it power? Even if all this bogas bs was true, what can yo udo about it? Nothing. It would be like trying to fight the next pandemic. You can't fight what you cannot see, the members do well at keeping themselves secrete.

  • @stormyandcold Also, from my research the Illuminati seem to b nothing more than a branch of the Freemasons. Freemasons were supposedly marginally the Knight's Templar. Each Freemason is given a bible(my aunt still has my great grandfather's who was) & more often than not they r religious ppl(using a friend's father as an example, he's masonic & the family isn't found of 1 of her friend's whose a witch). Illuminati being nothing more than a branch of Mason's r more than likely also religious

  • @stormyandcold

    Another thing, if this were all true, what makes you think for a second they''ed allow u to talk about them, let alone post videos such as this on youtube, or even have documentaries about ppl's suspicions of them on TV

  • @thex13thxchild You are asking the right questions, but, they are for you to find the answers to. I'm not here to debate and no-one can convince you. You are given free will to do what you want. You can do one thing though and that is to prepare yourself and family. The information isn't from me and it's pointless taking it out on me as I myself was like you once. Less rage, more research. The choice is yours, I've made mine. Good luck!

  • @stormyandcold Rage? How on earth do you get any of that from my answers? Then again I suppose if 1 is looking for it than 1 shall find as can be said 4 ur vid. Whose 2 say I've not already prepared? Dont assume what u dont know. There's plenty of other hardcore Christians that don't believe n this conspiracy that are beyond simply saying they're strong & even blind in their faith.

  • @stormyandcold Honestly I could say I was like u 1ce. & no, I'm not being sarcastic, I really can. Going out of my way looking for th evils in this world. Then I woke up & stopped being so gullible & started thinking for myself & did loads of research to build a firm foundation on which to stand, perhaps you'll one day do the same.

  • @thex13thxchild As I said, I made my choice. This means more to you than me. As a Christian, I can say whole heartedly that EVERY true Christian I know believes in Revelations, which means they believe what are called "conspiracies" by certain people. We Christians don't see it that way. They are all leading to the end. I'm not fueled by the need to be right because I know I'm right so this is my last post here. The choice is yours. If you think you're right then don't need to post again

  • @stormyandcold

    "I'm not fueled by the need to be right because I know I'm right"

    Rather oxymoronic,dont u think?I dont have 2b right,I neednt kno Im right.1 can only believe what the mind accepts as true, I cannot say I believe n this 4 my mind rejected it as being tangible. But if it so happens to b truem so b it, though I highly doubt it. Ppl have been screaming wolf since the death of Jesus, & even so on I'm sure. But if it's what you believe, so b it.I shant post again i u dont respond then

  • Fuk Freemasons Mn Der Fkin Pisstakin Liike

  • Scary shit but most likely true....evil seeds make evil roots make evil trees make evil branches make evil fruit

  • this is retared how is this evil? this is some scare tactic to scare not smart people into the christain religion..... god people are stupid

  • @brandonXdeath You are still brain-washed so you must assume that people are stupid. Keep quiet and do some research. By watching this video you are already looking for something. You know somethings wrong, but, you haven't yet accepted what it is. Find the truth, good luck!

  • FOX news = 666.... and CBS new logo is an eye.... WTF

  • Everyone here that is down for rebeling against the Illuminati. Go add a friend of mine on Facebook (If you have one) named Archangel Michael. His default pic of an angel standing on a demon

  • santa let me asck u .this numbe for your self .this wolrd for yehoshwah hahmahshyah not for you santa .yehoshwah the nemas in the big power yahweh not u devil fuck for u number iam believe yehoshwah not u

  • dumb.

  • ok, so im all for exposing the illuminati and satanic shit, but alot of this shit is really reaching to try to find shit. its stupid. although there are alot of shit on this video thats true, the bullshit kinda discredits all of it.

  • 666 is not the number of the beast

    its the number of a man who was killing Christians and a Christian added the numbers of his name (it's an Arabic complicated thing) so when he added his numbers it came out 666 and he could't say the name of that person or he would kill even more Christians so he say's this number and tells the people "the smart ones among you will understand who I'm talking of".

    So don't be miss led it's the number of the name of a guy.

  • until our Lord comes we must be prepared and make a new assassins creed - assassins protected our world in past and we must do it now

  • I think if the devil is real, and he's roaming around earth, then he's the guy who controls the media.

  • @LavenderBlonde00 This video is media

  • Do you not understand you been lied too

    And I simply said your all going to die because it's true you'll see when it's the right time

    Jehovah is evil understand that!

  • @khamosdef wut the fuck are you talking about dude. we're all gonna die.

    to the non believers,

    yes, were all being programmed with satanic shit since birth, and yes, its scandalous.

    but music, movies and media arent even the things we should be worried about. our government, and the elite that control our government are the ones that will carry out the most evil of satanic agendas, and kick off the apocalypse. its actually already happening. pretty soon you'll see for yourself.

  • Hail Satan

    Your all going to die!

  • @khamosdef

    I will slaughter u

  • The Devil Is A Living Being That Wants You To Fear Him And Once You Begin To Fear Him He Has The Power Never Give In To Temptations Always Remember

    ( Idle Mind , Idle Hands) Are The Devils Workshop

  • oh and do not be afraid fear is the mind killer "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and that is the path to the darkside" -Yoda

  • police? 999

    Devil? 666

    lol

  • The speech thing at the starting of the vid is similar to Iron Maiden's 666 number of the beast. lol.

  • @fucknation666 yes i think the same think .....i dont know why people leave the GOD and belive the muthafucker devil ........... i dont think that eminem is an illuminati cos he diss em muthafuckerz at the song im no afraid.....that is an tribal tatto in his cd............in what ever tribal tatto we can find the 666 ok.........

  • @TheXGboyX you need to educate yourself. open your eyes WIDER. puppet artists that are actually controlled say shit that seems against the "illuminati" all the time. You think the illuminati only has villains working for them? NO they have control of our "heroes" as well. Create a problem/villain, provide a controlled solution/hero, achieve the desired outcome. Create a villain (Bush) provide a puppet hero (Obama) or here is another example Villiain=Jay Z...Puppet Hero=Nas

  • @DoctorSess yes.....

  • @DoctorSess yes......

  • @DoctorSess exactly. Create an Solve can turn any bad guy into a Hero. For example. The movie Incredibles where the villian Buddy Pine Aka Syndrome releases a robot drone to destroy the city (Create the problem) then he swoops in an tries to destroy it an look like a Hero (Solve the problem) I wouldnt be surprised if any movies showing this scenario has a subliminal meaning behind it.

  • @fucknation666 yes i think the same think .....i dont know why people leave the GOD and belive the muthafucker devil ...........

  • om....... lol i got 666 in my name holy shit what will i do...... nothing cause there is nothing never has never will just laws set BYancient man to control society GET A DAMN LIFE AND QUIT POSTING STUPID VIDEOS AND PROPAGANDA LIKE THIS GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • FUCK 666 FUCK THE EVIL IN WHAT EVER FORMS THAT THEY R fuck illuminati fuck devil .........we have our GOD....we dont need an another god who is with me thumbs up-..-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-

  • @TheXGboyX such good spoken words for a man of god you think????

  • @TheXGboyX Not Trying To Sound Demonic Don't Talk Down On Him That Is Something Someone That Fears Him Does If You Don't Fear Him Just Praise Your LOrd Jesus Christ Thats All You Need

  • @m1997ist i dont have fear nobody and nothing ...including and the death ......

  • @TheXGboyX Im with ya. We need to unite as 1 an set aside our differences to take down the Illuminati. They try to kill or "Make people Disappear" so thy wont have to fear an united world coming to take them down.

  • @EminentHero who will make the first pass .....no one can blew up em muthafuckerz ....they have money , a lot of money .......power....and everything that they want......we r low to fight em ........they controle the whole world every president in this fuckin world ......every body who is famouse........but i can tell something to em ..........FUCK EM ALL....

  • @TheXGboyX Where there's a will theres a way my friend. We may be powerless now. But if we can manage to unite as 1 we can overthrow them. It may seem impossible, but theres always a solution to something. We just have to find it. I do agree with you though. we are economically, physically, emotionally or mentally ready. But in due time everything will be ok.

  • @EminentHero i mean we arnt* not we are.

  • @EminentHero hey hoe old r u ......? and where r u from?

  • @TheXGboyX 21 From hagerstown

  • @EminentHero why u dont say ...from washington d.c. the citty of masonery .....now i understand why u hate so much the illuminati........im with u bro....im 18 from albania

  • @TheXGboyX Good. If we all can unite then we can do it. Good always triumphs over evil no matter what evil says nor thinks. If it wasnt true then Hitlers way of beliefs will be more widely acceptable than it is now.

  • @EminentHero i think every day that if HITLER (rip) will rebirth all this mothafuckerz masons will disapper in a moment ....

  • @TheXGboyX Tht sound possible, unless the Masons negotiate with Hitler an then he joins their organization. Then we will really be fucked, but thts jus theory.

  • @TheXGboyX

    RIP? what the ef?

  • @EminentHero i hear the president of france sayin.... we will open a clan in albania..... do u understand what the fuck they r doin ? but if they want me in their fuckin group first they have to do is kissin my penis... i will not joined with they i will prefer to die ..... i hate em so much.......

  • @TheXGboyX Exactly. They gonna wait till the 2012 event to happen from now till then an then after tht is when thy gonna spring into action to play the Hero. Then thy gonna show their true intentions.

  • @EminentHero yeah... they ll show their true intentions... who s gonna belive them ... i will kill em muthafuckerz one by one ... n if thy will open a fuckin clan in albania i will burn it up... and shot em one by one ... if i belive in jesus christ i can fight the evil... in what ever forms that they r ...