@poltergeistish I am supposing u ride and park ur bike in urban public bicycle parking racks. And u may have experienced how your bike get bumped up again, knocked around, pushed, falls over,etc. This system would essentially eliminate risk of these things. Once it is up in tree, it is out of reach others,& when other people park their bikes in tree, all bike do not touch/scratch each other. This means ur bicycle will get less of a beating, fragile setting/cables like brakes/shifters in tact.
@upcycle just watch video about Japanese underground bicycle parking, you'll understand the advantages... it seems a little more expensive that this one but has capacity 10 times greater and bikes are 100% safe as well as here
@poltergeistish seen it. If wanting to compare with this technology.. it is far more complicated to operate, requires far more space, in addition to being more expensive. And there in that case u got one bike going in or out at any one time. With the tree, all the bikes can be coming down or going up simultaneously, no having to cue up to put ur bike in or take it out.
@upcycle well, not completely true. one bike tree can hold only, what - 12 bicycles? with underground type one single machine can operate on storage of up to 92. that is around 7 bicycle trees. fore every single one of these you need foundations, and a whole construction, so it is not really that cheaper. they occupy open urban spaces and are not visually suiting for every location in the city... you could change the design from place to place, but then you loose advantages of prefabrication.
@poltergeistish walking space under trees is accessible under the trees. trees 2 b butted up next to each other, all bikes r instantly accessible simultaneously.. no need 2 cue up in a line to get ur bike or put it in, via a single mechanical valet of underground system. When u need to go. ut go 2 tree with ur bike & swip card, & bike comes down. If 4 some reason there is a mechanical issue, bike can b release and descend via gravity. With underground system., who knows how long it will take 2 g
@upcycle machines from japan don't brake ;) you need around 20 seconds to get your bike, and if there is no electricity neither system works since they can't read card, and releasing by gravity... not smart. so, it is not cheaper since you need whole bunch of it, it has visual impacts on it's surrounding... sorry it is not better for mass parking. if there are underground waters that make underground constructions more complex and if the parking place is not frequent - THAN a tree is perfect.
@poltergeistish the smart card system wud be powered by a small battery backup. and cud release the bike and it wud gently float down via gravity, if for some reason the electricity is lost. Matter of fact this whole system cud be powered off the grid via a couple solar panels on top. And is excellent option over space required for conventional bicycle rack system and provides a much more pleasant visual impact . And provides better service to the bicyclists and the security of their bikes.
@upcycle I wasn't comparing its advantages with "conventional bicycle rack system" but with underground parking. and I was saying if there were no electricity backup. how would you imagine that gentle float? you would need pneumatic machinery for every single parking space... it's not economical nor ecological. I don't plan to continue this argument, I presented arguments for each type of parking when it is better for which situation considering the economical, ecological, urban parameters etc
@poltergeistish I realize that for some reason u believe the underground bicycle parking is OVERALL better than the bike tree technology. There is 1 thing that it might have an advantage over the bike tree in very specific situations, such if u had an underground to build it in and u had the capital/construction time to build it. We are talking a major construction job to build a 92 bay mechanical underground. However, bike tree technology can b put underground. So that is not even an advantage.
@upcycle I agree. Also, I've seen the way that the underground system works and they bicycles would all crash to the floor in that design, while in yours they would probably be okay.
@flyer203 a ground rack and chain will not keep the bike parts from being vandalized or stolen. Also, if u are carrying cargo, won't keep the bags from being taken or looked through. This tree will put all parts of the bicycle out of reach from being nipped or vandalized.
@flyer203 a ground rack and chain will not keep the bike parts from being vandalized or stolen. Also, if u are carrying cargo, won't keep the bags from being taken or looked through. This tree will put all parts of the bicycle out of reach from being nipped or vandalized.
looks pretty great... any reports of bike thefts from the trees? my mountain bike is worth more than my car, i dont usually lock it up because it never leaves my grip and or sight but i would use the tree if its proven to be secure, i like it a lot because it stops component theft... my seat post and saddle alone are worth at least $250.00, a wheel theft could set me back 400
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what if your eyes fall out on the way back to get your bike? what if it rains in your hat and you put it on? what if your legs fell off while peddling? what if your face turned to dust? what if you couldn't find your way back to your bike? what if the tree blew away and took your bike with it? what if the world ended? what if you were just shit scared something happened out of the ordinary and you couldn't cope with it? I'm going to kill myself before something really bad happens.
And for the person who asked what if there is an electrical problem. there can be ways to handle that. Just like elevators. measures can be put into place to make things safe. and people can opt to park their bicycle in other places if they don't like to park in the tree. It is like some people don't like to fly on airplanes or drive cars on freeways, because they are uncomfortable. some people don't like to ride buses or trains to get to work, because the bus.
@upcycle I think the main thing to remember is what type of people would use this ?? Answer: Inteligent, and responsible ones. That pretty much got their S^@% together. What do You guys think ???
What if there is an electrical problem how long to get it serviced before you get your bike back leaving you stranded with no money and no bike to get home.
@themaniusedtob I suppose there could be a touch keypad which can bu used to enter a card/acct # and passoword. And possibly there could be a 24 hour hotline number(and website which can send user nbr/password to the registered email and/or registered cell pnone nbr (via SMS text msg) for customer support, which could be used to regain password? Kind of like how Ytube handles situations when people forget their passoword or user name?
It occurs to me that another safety mechanism to prevent people from accidently getting their clothes caught on the equipment while it is lifting the bike, would be to put the smartcard interface in a separate place, perhaps a post from the ground, about 10 feet from the main tree. And to limit the smart card to having only one bike up per card at any time.
I think one major issue with this system that in a country like holland, its not gonna work cause we have so many different bike designs and sizes. For starters, my own bike isnt gonna fit into that tight space at the top, and what about having 2 children seats on your bike? if you add some bags, like many dutch people have, total weight is easiley going to reach 50 pounds, and what about the space? How many bicycles can you park per square meter compared to conventional means?
It maybe needs a locking mechanism to avoid the bike being tampered with from below for security. The Queensland government is installing rental bikes and bike stations around the CBD here in Australia for commuters. Its been planned but I have seen the stations they are planning to build and they take up alot of room. If this is your design I would seriously think of contacting them.
I can see the dangerous side of this thing. Theres a hook that faces upwards. If it were to get caught on a peice of clothing it could either rip the clothes off someone or drag them to the top possibly even hang someone.
@ohnoes300c very interesting thought. Probably can add a safety switch that must be pressed inside the tire tub, to allow activation of hook. And it may have a maximum weight sensor (say 40-60 pounds, that wud trigger a auto shut down of upward motion if more than that amount of weight is being lifted. Any other concerns? Thoughts?
@ohnoes300c regarding the hook possibly catching on clothes before auto stopping at a 50 pound max lift capacity, it may be possible that it could catch, just as things possible could catch in the motion of escalator or between doors on an elevator, and cause some ripping. Any other weaknesses in this design?
then a lumberjack comes and cuts down the tree and sells all the bikes because the fuckers have no other way to get money since they have cut down all the other fucking trees
Piece of over the top technology that is expensive and unresourceful to construct and unaffordable to most users. Waste of time. A 4 year old could come up with a better system.
@Xeferah, it's actually a reasonably high density storage system, you would be hard pressed to store an equivalent number of bikes in the same footprint.
Just use a credit card or debit card with it's pin number and charge a small fee for these types of systems! We must ditch the utopian idealism and stomach a small fee to obviate locks and prevent use of this type of system as de facto storage for free loaders. there should be a whole panoply of options for storage and parking: racks ,pay parking, residential parking. . . .ASAP!
Great concept but i feel that these would have a fee attached to use them, and as cyclists choose to cycle to avoid parking fees in major cities i think this might be a flaw. But i also think the tree design is ripe for major advertising companies. BUT DO NOT CHARGE THE CYCLIST
I think future enhancements will be password and/or biometric fingerprint detection. Then no card would be necesary. alternatively... maybe it could be activated via a cell phone call to the towerl, using the same caller ID number, plus secret password that activated it?? Lots of potential directions the development could go in.
I'm sorry, but this would be totally pointless. How many bikes can you place in that thing ? 10 ? 20 ?
If you go to the Netherlands, you will see 5 times as many bikes at the first grocery store. And you will see at least 200 times as many bikes at a train station.
It needs to be faster, with a higher capacity, and a universal card, so that I can park my bike at every storage :-)
@Xeferah, I appreciate your comments. Please continue.
I also have received reports that the Netherlands are the also the world leader in numbers of stolen bikes. That may be worth considering when discussing this. The Bicycle Tree is one of several options, to be applied when and if appropriate. And discussions like these help to make improvements, when possible.
Number 1 in stolen bikes. Well, that's obvious: We have more bikes then citizens (meaning one person owns several bikes). We're also the only country in the world that has that.
I, for one, would not be surprised if the USA was the world leader in stolen cars ;-)
The solution ? Bring a good lock. You don't leave your car unlocked with the keys in the contact either, do you ? ;-)
Did you see Japans solution to the bike storage problem ? I think that would be a lot more useful here in NL.
it is possible a fee could be charged to use it, but likely the trend seems that if the govenment is operating them, they would likely make it free to use and pay for it through taxes... maybe even out of money taxed on driving cars in congested parts of town. And some busniess parks or industrial parts would like install them as a free service to thier customers/employees.
Additionally, some may try to use the canapy as an advertising platform to put thier logo. That could generate money for the operation/maintenance of the system.
Upcycle, this is such a neat idea! But it's probably going to be steep for the $75 bike club. Here in Los Angeles there are lots of riders who do have the bikes that need that kind of security. Are there plans for a manual unit? A mall or school or a transit station would get lots of usage, but also lots of wear. It's a much neater footprint than bike lockers, there's lighting, and I can definitely see it going into theme parks. Good Idea! Please try to get into Universal Studios.
but if you give out more cards than spaces how will you know there is a spot to park in and there are a lot more questions arising from this question.
Cards may be one of several options. Another option may be use of biometrics and/or and a password. Or perhaps a username/password . This may be created online with all builtin safe guards like setting up user profile like DOB secret questin/answer retrieval system 4 those that forget thier codes. And perhaps it could even be set up 2 send text message reminder? ability to change the passcode on fly (for added security capabilities). may also be able to register bike(desc/serial#) 2 user acct?
it probably would be built with a certain weight fail safe that would not all it to go up when it reachs that weight limit. And would just allow the arm to drop back down to bottom with no harm to the unit.. kind of like built in safety with elevator doors.
- biking saves the planet, not supposed to be another format eating power.
- before wow/civilizing the city by building mushrooms and hanging bikes midair all around, why don't they think about how to make this city thiefless?
I lost my card!, Dayam!, If only I knew how to climb a ladder and just unhook the bike!, dayam, it only took me 3 seconds to undo my u lock before and hack it home, but now the tree's stolen 20 seconds, Oh no, I forgot! I lost my card, Oh that's it, Im going to get real with this tree! ... like, aam ganna walk up 'n down ya, and... yeh, un hook the damn thing??????
Very cool idea. It is such a hassle everytime you need to lock up your bike. It takes like a five minute process sometimes haha. I like this machine walk up to it and wave your card and presto instant valet, very smart.
I also like that the bike is instantly protected from the rain, wind and sun. And as electric bicycles (or electric assist bicycles) become more and more used, these bike trees may come with a power outlet on the platform holding each individual bike. Hey that could also be used for chargin laptop computers and cell phones while keeping them ous of reach and sight of people at ground level.
Won't need much electricity to operate. And what power it would need for days or a week or more could probably easilty be provided in a small battery backup system. Some of the power used to hoist the bike can be reclaimed when the bicycle descends from the tree. Also, a few small solar panels at the top of the tree can assist in topping off the battery back up system.
Hi, it needn't be stressful on your spokes because it's the rim, not the spokes, that's being grabbed. When hanging a bike manually on a hook, you can do so in a way that the spokes are not touched; hopefully it's not difficult to adjust the bike accordingly when the bike tree grabs it.
I agree with mona. And for any added tension on spoks from hanging, it would be similar to(or less) what is produced when riding the bicycle. The only possible issue is when carry heavy cargo loads like with paniers on the bike. That MIGHT add higher load on front wheel spokes when hanging..
Moving part are subjective. Electronics are very reliable. Without knowing the design there is no way to know if it would be prone to beakage. As for locking the bike, it secures the front wheel to lift and I'd say being 12ft in the air in public is good enough. You need to lock your bike at grond level as its easy to get to. Your right about simplicity. It isn't simple to carry a chain/lock, or jam your bike into an overcrowed rack. More convience and people will use it. Need to be bigger
Although I like the asthetics of it, and it's ability to hold more bikes securely than the equivlent space of a bike rack on grownd level (even without a rain/sun cover), can accomodate longer bikes (like tandems. It may be problematic for accomodating bicycle trailers. hovever, a bicycle trailer could b un hitched and hooked to upper part of frame of bike perhaps as a solution?
I think the idea behind not having to lock it is that the smart card means the bike can only be lowered by the user that parked it - and it is raised high enough to be safe from theft. Sure - it's costly & over engineered - but given that much more is spent on over engineering cars - which just encourage people to stay fat and lazy - isn't it nice that for once someone induldges in such technology for bicycles!
I can't help but notice that the only bike in the Bike Tree belongs to Our Protagonst. I must therefore assume that Our Protagonist is the only person that knows about the Bike Tree, and therefore, the Bike Tree is in desperate need of some exposure. I'll be sure to plug it in my blog.
The concept is good but there is one problem. I can imagine in a city that there will be some people who will climb that bike tree and unhook the bikes. It's not very secured.
When rationalizing the cost effectiveness of this machine, we have to consider our cultural issues. First, with bikes. We have to assume that each bike that this holds has the value to merit the cost. Do people really place that much value on their bikes? The answer is in bike use. How do we use our bikes? Do we make quick trips to the store? Commutes to work? Would we want this machine to be there? Then, we look at culture in general. We used to not lock our doors, now we pay more for security.
I first thought that raising bikes off the ground makes it possible for high voltage to be passed through the frames for added security. Then I realized, with any electronic system, a thief would just override the card reader instead of physically tampering with the bikes. The best security against bike theft is to copy what happened in japan. Make bikes so common place that they have little value. Then we would need these systems to keep bikes neat and off the street. Not so much for security.
True, however, the japanese should probably has thought about a solution to this already. As with all creations, a solution to any future problems with it will be thought of during its creation.
The japanese probably had its own way to fix that thing quickly and easily too. And if they really need to fix it manually, the probable wating time should be about 5 to 15 minutes, which isn't long.
Tampering with a card reader would likely be something only available to the most sophisticated thief. And even so, the bike can still have a ulock locking it to the rack itself. This addes another layer of security. And the ulock's locking mechanism variability and inaccessability in the raised position would add more time delay, skill. And then the thief would likely evaluate whether the time is worth the effort. And still the thief could get caught.
It seems both may have advantages/disadvantages, depending on the situation. I think the japanese one could be slower. Consider that only one bike can be retrieved at any moment. And you may have many people wanting to park or retrieve thier bicycles simultaneously. The bike tree can park and retrieve all the bicycles on each of its tracks independently, and simulateously. It probably less costly to maintain/operate, Continue to post your comments.
It is true that the retrieval of bicycles may be slow in the case of a long que, however, having many people retrieving their bikes at once at a bike tree may cause crowding around the tree and may be hard for the bicycle owners to retrieve their bicycles.
Having a que may be long and inconvenient for people in a rush, but at least it is more formal.
The automated retrieval of the Japanese system is nice. However, if there is a failure in the system(hydraulic or electronic), all bikes will be unavailable. The tree system has independent actuators which makes failures local to one bike. Also, because it is a simple system, a manual override is possible.
Yes, It is typically configured with a "smart card". That could remember date, time, and card used. for further security, that could also require the use of a Pin or pass code.
sorry i was being silly. I was just saying that anyone with a ladder could just get a free bicycle, but i guess you could always hand them from the rear with a d lock and/or chain. I really like this idea. Maybe they could also have a moat with a bridge that comes out and goes away when you park you bike.
thanks for your comment. In addition to locking the bike with a u-lock or cable/chain, it may be possible to rig the hanging assembly with a sensor that would trigger an alarm or sound and lights, if someone tampers with the hooking mechanism. and that alarm could also silently alert law enforcement. Additionally, cameras could be placed to take pictures of the area if the alarm is triggered. This could be used for further evidence.
were having such modern inventions, all futuristic and stuff, but the camera man has to STILL work with a potato??
supermegasonic 4 days ago
they should have one for cars too!
TheMegaStudmuffin 1 month ago
I hope they designed this to be monkey proof!
xlee888 1 month ago
WIll this work with a canoe or kayak?
PEAChGalx 1 month ago
Wow talk about over-enginering
ACCSESS247 3 months ago
In TX, the bike thieves would take the bike and put the bike owner on the hook then sell it for scrap while the cops were getting the guy down.
stopglobalswarming 4 months ago
Future
diogosupertkd 4 months ago
one may exploit this and stay on the bike to get a real vertical ride lol..Health hazard, doesn't met BS regulations!! :O
jpmccolgan1 6 months ago
omg all the TL;DR comments
NeophyteOneable 6 months ago
this is great idea only it looks pretty expensive and it doesn't have a place for a lot of bikes... underground bicycle parking is way better!
poltergeistish 9 months ago
@poltergeistish I am supposing u ride and park ur bike in urban public bicycle parking racks. And u may have experienced how your bike get bumped up again, knocked around, pushed, falls over,etc. This system would essentially eliminate risk of these things. Once it is up in tree, it is out of reach others,& when other people park their bikes in tree, all bike do not touch/scratch each other. This means ur bicycle will get less of a beating, fragile setting/cables like brakes/shifters in tact.
upcycle 9 months ago
@upcycle just watch video about Japanese underground bicycle parking, you'll understand the advantages... it seems a little more expensive that this one but has capacity 10 times greater and bikes are 100% safe as well as here
poltergeistish 9 months ago
@poltergeistish seen it. If wanting to compare with this technology.. it is far more complicated to operate, requires far more space, in addition to being more expensive. And there in that case u got one bike going in or out at any one time. With the tree, all the bikes can be coming down or going up simultaneously, no having to cue up to put ur bike in or take it out.
upcycle 9 months ago
@upcycle well, not completely true. one bike tree can hold only, what - 12 bicycles? with underground type one single machine can operate on storage of up to 92. that is around 7 bicycle trees. fore every single one of these you need foundations, and a whole construction, so it is not really that cheaper. they occupy open urban spaces and are not visually suiting for every location in the city... you could change the design from place to place, but then you loose advantages of prefabrication.
poltergeistish 9 months ago
@poltergeistish walking space under trees is accessible under the trees. trees 2 b butted up next to each other, all bikes r instantly accessible simultaneously.. no need 2 cue up in a line to get ur bike or put it in, via a single mechanical valet of underground system. When u need to go. ut go 2 tree with ur bike & swip card, & bike comes down. If 4 some reason there is a mechanical issue, bike can b release and descend via gravity. With underground system., who knows how long it will take 2 g
upcycle 9 months ago
@upcycle machines from japan don't brake ;) you need around 20 seconds to get your bike, and if there is no electricity neither system works since they can't read card, and releasing by gravity... not smart. so, it is not cheaper since you need whole bunch of it, it has visual impacts on it's surrounding... sorry it is not better for mass parking. if there are underground waters that make underground constructions more complex and if the parking place is not frequent - THAN a tree is perfect.
poltergeistish 9 months ago
@poltergeistish the smart card system wud be powered by a small battery backup. and cud release the bike and it wud gently float down via gravity, if for some reason the electricity is lost. Matter of fact this whole system cud be powered off the grid via a couple solar panels on top. And is excellent option over space required for conventional bicycle rack system and provides a much more pleasant visual impact . And provides better service to the bicyclists and the security of their bikes.
upcycle 9 months ago
@upcycle I wasn't comparing its advantages with "conventional bicycle rack system" but with underground parking. and I was saying if there were no electricity backup. how would you imagine that gentle float? you would need pneumatic machinery for every single parking space... it's not economical nor ecological. I don't plan to continue this argument, I presented arguments for each type of parking when it is better for which situation considering the economical, ecological, urban parameters etc
poltergeistish 9 months ago
@poltergeistish I realize that for some reason u believe the underground bicycle parking is OVERALL better than the bike tree technology. There is 1 thing that it might have an advantage over the bike tree in very specific situations, such if u had an underground to build it in and u had the capital/construction time to build it. We are talking a major construction job to build a 92 bay mechanical underground. However, bike tree technology can b put underground. So that is not even an advantage.
upcycle 9 months ago
@upcycle I agree. Also, I've seen the way that the underground system works and they bicycles would all crash to the floor in that design, while in yours they would probably be okay.
glogirl7099 5 months ago
Great way to keep thief trash from stealing your bikes and taking parts off of it :D
Blackwater200 10 months ago
What would Newton discover if he got hit by a bicycle?
lowerlowerhk 11 months ago
Interesting project but does it really worth the time and money?
A common ground rack costs nothing and requires just a chain to secure your bike.
I would improve the common racks to secure bikes automatically or with minimum effort.
Please share the pros your construction has cause at this moment the ones I found are that strong.
I am really interested to the concept cause I am a cyclist and a designer too.
flyer203 1 year ago
@flyer203 a ground rack and chain will not keep the bike parts from being vandalized or stolen. Also, if u are carrying cargo, won't keep the bags from being taken or looked through. This tree will put all parts of the bicycle out of reach from being nipped or vandalized.
upcycle 1 year ago 3
@flyer203 a ground rack and chain will not keep the bike parts from being vandalized or stolen. Also, if u are carrying cargo, won't keep the bags from being taken or looked through. This tree will put all parts of the bicycle out of reach from being nipped or vandalized.
upcycle 1 year ago
@flyer203 yeah but she had to use some sort of a card to acsess it
and yes it might be worth the money because it would encourage employees to cycle rather than drive to work
MrLuke017 11 months ago
-looks at iPhone-
-looks at futuristic bike rack-
-looks at iPhone-
-looks at futuristic bike rack-
-Throws iPhone on the ground-
Stupid America \=
KnightxOfxKanavan 1 year ago 2
looks pretty great... any reports of bike thefts from the trees? my mountain bike is worth more than my car, i dont usually lock it up because it never leaves my grip and or sight but i would use the tree if its proven to be secure, i like it a lot because it stops component theft... my seat post and saddle alone are worth at least $250.00, a wheel theft could set me back 400
dirtTdude 1 year ago 2
GREAT IDEA and as always great minds and great ideas are met with rejection and negativity.
paniciao 1 year ago
@paniciao Thanks for the encouraging and supportive words.
upcycle 1 year ago
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19FaLLuS91 1 year ago
i think its too slow.
M0vir 1 year ago
what is the piont in that
mrrjcook 1 year ago
unnecesarilly costly and complicated
GrandmasMan 1 year ago
what if the the sensor doesnt function?
littlevespa 1 year ago
what if your eyes fall out on the way back to get your bike? what if it rains in your hat and you put it on? what if your legs fell off while peddling? what if your face turned to dust? what if you couldn't find your way back to your bike? what if the tree blew away and took your bike with it? what if the world ended? what if you were just shit scared something happened out of the ordinary and you couldn't cope with it? I'm going to kill myself before something really bad happens.
sublimemadness 1 year ago 14
@sublimemadness love it.
And for the person who asked what if there is an electrical problem. there can be ways to handle that. Just like elevators. measures can be put into place to make things safe. and people can opt to park their bicycle in other places if they don't like to park in the tree. It is like some people don't like to fly on airplanes or drive cars on freeways, because they are uncomfortable. some people don't like to ride buses or trains to get to work, because the bus.
upcycle 1 year ago
@upcycle I think the main thing to remember is what type of people would use this ?? Answer: Inteligent, and responsible ones. That pretty much got their S^@% together. What do You guys think ???
paniciao 1 year ago
What if there is an electrical problem how long to get it serviced before you get your bike back leaving you stranded with no money and no bike to get home.
speedymania 1 year ago
I love it. The bike is safe and dry.
dkjens0705 1 year ago
Where is that great idea comes from?
rinaldoroger 1 year ago
Where is that great idea?
rinaldoroger 1 year ago
Japan has these underground... That tree is some bullshit.
LlamaWarfare 1 year ago
Who is creating these???
I need to know!!!
kurrizzle 1 year ago
i think this is a perfect idea.... i dont think anyone will catch their clothing .... but what happens if they loose that card
themaniusedtob 1 year ago
@themaniusedtob I suppose there could be a touch keypad which can bu used to enter a card/acct # and passoword. And possibly there could be a 24 hour hotline number(and website which can send user nbr/password to the registered email and/or registered cell pnone nbr (via SMS text msg) for customer support, which could be used to regain password? Kind of like how Ytube handles situations when people forget their passoword or user name?
upcycle 1 year ago
@themaniusedtob I guess it would be like a person loosing the keys to their car. You need a spare key etc.
contributor34 1 year ago
hahahahahah is that all u think about???
how to hurt someone?? thats a neat way to store your ride!
trx1961 1 year ago
talk about ingenuity...this is another cool idea
trx1961 1 year ago
Where is her damm helmet
lthroable 1 year ago
It occurs to me that another safety mechanism to prevent people from accidently getting their clothes caught on the equipment while it is lifting the bike, would be to put the smartcard interface in a separate place, perhaps a post from the ground, about 10 feet from the main tree. And to limit the smart card to having only one bike up per card at any time.
upcycle 1 year ago
@upcycle ok but what do u do if u have an orange patriot 66 lol
only joking i wouldn't leave my 66 hanging up there any way no matter how safe it is
1000spook 1 year ago
@upcycle
I think one major issue with this system that in a country like holland, its not gonna work cause we have so many different bike designs and sizes. For starters, my own bike isnt gonna fit into that tight space at the top, and what about having 2 children seats on your bike? if you add some bags, like many dutch people have, total weight is easiley going to reach 50 pounds, and what about the space? How many bicycles can you park per square meter compared to conventional means?
MarijnRoorda 1 year ago
It maybe needs a locking mechanism to avoid the bike being tampered with from below for security. The Queensland government is installing rental bikes and bike stations around the CBD here in Australia for commuters. Its been planned but I have seen the stations they are planning to build and they take up alot of room. If this is your design I would seriously think of contacting them.
ohnoes300c 1 year ago
I can see the dangerous side of this thing. Theres a hook that faces upwards. If it were to get caught on a peice of clothing it could either rip the clothes off someone or drag them to the top possibly even hang someone.
ohnoes300c 1 year ago
@ohnoes300c very interesting thought. Probably can add a safety switch that must be pressed inside the tire tub, to allow activation of hook. And it may have a maximum weight sensor (say 40-60 pounds, that wud trigger a auto shut down of upward motion if more than that amount of weight is being lifted. Any other concerns? Thoughts?
upcycle 1 year ago
@ohnoes300c regarding the hook possibly catching on clothes before auto stopping at a 50 pound max lift capacity, it may be possible that it could catch, just as things possible could catch in the motion of escalator or between doors on an elevator, and cause some ripping. Any other weaknesses in this design?
upcycle 1 year ago
then a lumberjack comes and cuts down the tree and sells all the bikes because the fuckers have no other way to get money since they have cut down all the other fucking trees
1527384625 1 year ago
Awesome!!
ladyamerias 1 year ago
A clever idea, secure too.
sherwood01384 1 year ago
I like it. In my country we have an automatic parking for cars. Why not for bicycles too? :)
EmperorAst 1 year ago
Piece of over the top technology that is expensive and unresourceful to construct and unaffordable to most users. Waste of time. A 4 year old could come up with a better system.
piotrortonowski 1 year ago
@piotrortonowski "A 4 year old could come up with a better system."
I look forward to reviewing better technology coming out, no matter the age of the inventor. :)
upcycle 1 year ago
yes FREE bike parking alot,,,
no need to pay
bestamerica 1 year ago
Where's her helmet?
breadmanmike1 1 year ago
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breadmanmike1,
Where's her helmet?
yes see that,,,
that is a law mess it up problem
bestamerica 1 year ago
@Xeferah, it's actually a reasonably high density storage system, you would be hard pressed to store an equivalent number of bikes in the same footprint.
lyqwyd 1 year ago
This would be feasible on secure private property, but not on public property. The criminals would just build a better mouse.
RepublicanDumbAss 1 year ago
muy original para 2130 llegará a españa jajaja
Buscamela 1 year ago
Just use a credit card or debit card with it's pin number and charge a small fee for these types of systems! We must ditch the utopian idealism and stomach a small fee to obviate locks and prevent use of this type of system as de facto storage for free loaders. there should be a whole panoply of options for storage and parking: racks ,pay parking, residential parking. . . .ASAP!
squarerootofpopeye 1 year ago
Hi, where can I find out more about this device "bike tree"? website or something?
sarunasmc 2 years ago
Great concept but i feel that these would have a fee attached to use them, and as cyclists choose to cycle to avoid parking fees in major cities i think this might be a flaw. But i also think the tree design is ripe for major advertising companies. BUT DO NOT CHARGE THE CYCLIST
steevestuff 2 years ago
suck if u lost the card
bmore6669 2 years ago
I think future enhancements will be password and/or biometric fingerprint detection. Then no card would be necesary. alternatively... maybe it could be activated via a cell phone call to the towerl, using the same caller ID number, plus secret password that activated it?? Lots of potential directions the development could go in.
upcycle 2 years ago
@upcycle :
I'm sorry, but this would be totally pointless. How many bikes can you place in that thing ? 10 ? 20 ?
If you go to the Netherlands, you will see 5 times as many bikes at the first grocery store. And you will see at least 200 times as many bikes at a train station.
It needs to be faster, with a higher capacity, and a universal card, so that I can park my bike at every storage :-)
Xeferah 2 years ago
@Xeferah, I appreciate your comments. Please continue.
I also have received reports that the Netherlands are the also the world leader in numbers of stolen bikes. That may be worth considering when discussing this. The Bicycle Tree is one of several options, to be applied when and if appropriate. And discussions like these help to make improvements, when possible.
upcycle 2 years ago
Number 1 in stolen bikes. Well, that's obvious: We have more bikes then citizens (meaning one person owns several bikes). We're also the only country in the world that has that.
I, for one, would not be surprised if the USA was the world leader in stolen cars ;-)
The solution ? Bring a good lock. You don't leave your car unlocked with the keys in the contact either, do you ? ;-)
Did you see Japans solution to the bike storage problem ? I think that would be a lot more useful here in NL.
Xeferah 2 years ago
it is possible a fee could be charged to use it, but likely the trend seems that if the govenment is operating them, they would likely make it free to use and pay for it through taxes... maybe even out of money taxed on driving cars in congested parts of town. And some busniess parks or industrial parts would like install them as a free service to thier customers/employees.
upcycle 2 years ago
Additionally, some may try to use the canapy as an advertising platform to put thier logo. That could generate money for the operation/maintenance of the system.
upcycle 2 years ago
@upcycle ALSO, if it rained...the bike wouldn't get wet which would be nice..
sifs4 1 year ago
sick! I want one
Aortal 2 years ago
great machine for suicide
zenky2000 2 years ago
這停車塔還瞞酷的~~結構不複雜又能防小偷
sovtek6922 2 years ago
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can it get any uglier?
jamaq 2 years ago
很有創意的停車傘，整齊美觀方便，
台北(Taipei)應該引進這種 !
happliy 2 years ago
bikes grow on trees? lol i did not know
getlow1985 2 years ago 19
Upcycle, this is such a neat idea! But it's probably going to be steep for the $75 bike club. Here in Los Angeles there are lots of riders who do have the bikes that need that kind of security. Are there plans for a manual unit? A mall or school or a transit station would get lots of usage, but also lots of wear. It's a much neater footprint than bike lockers, there's lighting, and I can definitely see it going into theme parks. Good Idea! Please try to get into Universal Studios.
VolkgartenBySquirrel 2 years ago 3
i liked this idea when i first saw it.
but if you give out more cards than spaces how will you know there is a spot to park in and there are a lot more questions arising from this question.
mrmoonfacet 2 years ago
Cards may be one of several options. Another option may be use of biometrics and/or and a password. Or perhaps a username/password . This may be created online with all builtin safe guards like setting up user profile like DOB secret questin/answer retrieval system 4 those that forget thier codes. And perhaps it could even be set up 2 send text message reminder? ability to change the passcode on fly (for added security capabilities). may also be able to register bike(desc/serial#) 2 user acct?
upcycle 2 years ago
Then it would be damn expensive to hae a card to make it rendable for the company who makes these things.
boatoflol 2 years ago
Once I hang a moped on it. It didn't like it much.
garagecrap 2 years ago
lol, thats the first i thought of doing when i saw the video.. my yamaha cygnus would probably break it
U48 2 years ago
it probably would be built with a certain weight fail safe that would not all it to go up when it reachs that weight limit. And would just allow the arm to drop back down to bottom with no harm to the unit.. kind of like built in safety with elevator doors.
upcycle 2 years ago
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i want this in my country toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..in a decade maybe "sigh"
xxeltxx 2 years ago
my bike is pretty ,, but that looks like a good way to deal with unsightly bicycles!
moe354sa 2 years ago
Wasting power. Not eco at all.
niko0417 2 years ago
niko0417- they're solar
hgfor 2 years ago
- thanks but how come it's solar?
- even solar doesn't meant to be wasted.
- biking saves the planet, not supposed to be another format eating power.
- before wow/civilizing the city by building mushrooms and hanging bikes midair all around, why don't they think about how to make this city thiefless?
niko0417 2 years ago
Now if only they had those at my old junior high school. Then I wouldn't have had two of my bikes stolen.
Crow2099 2 years ago
"Velo-assistance" is stated way on top..That's a Swiss insurance company :)
radwaraed 2 years ago
where is this
barrusDemonPlucker 2 years ago
Another website said that this was filmed in front of Touring Club Swiss. It's like AAA in Switzerland.
purplepatsymorris 2 years ago
amazing bike tree
vweredred 2 years ago
看看別人 想想自己 兼顧創意環保實用
中台阿先
ctastw 2 years ago
aaaaamazing!!!!
greendayarigato 2 years ago
nice video, good invention, but lousy music.
spitgalore 2 years ago
I lost my card!, Dayam!, If only I knew how to climb a ladder and just unhook the bike!, dayam, it only took me 3 seconds to undo my u lock before and hack it home, but now the tree's stolen 20 seconds, Oh no, I forgot! I lost my card, Oh that's it, Im going to get real with this tree! ... like, aam ganna walk up 'n down ya, and... yeh, un hook the damn thing??????
Nice shelter though!
grandmothersapplepie 2 years ago
seems excessive.
why the hell do u need so expensive bike tree.
just build a shed and lock em up
boomachine1 2 years ago
Cool Bike Tree! Loved it!!!
angelina168 2 years ago
nice pants
DopeyD4vid 2 years ago
Very cool idea. It is such a hassle everytime you need to lock up your bike. It takes like a five minute process sometimes haha. I like this machine walk up to it and wave your card and presto instant valet, very smart.
MTBMANIAC1 2 years ago
I also like that the bike is instantly protected from the rain, wind and sun. And as electric bicycles (or electric assist bicycles) become more and more used, these bike trees may come with a power outlet on the platform holding each individual bike. Hey that could also be used for chargin laptop computers and cell phones while keeping them ous of reach and sight of people at ground level.
upcycle 2 years ago
great idea simple but ingenious, might not work with a power outage but thats like splitting hairs!
billebob598 2 years ago
Won't need much electricity to operate. And what power it would need for days or a week or more could probably easilty be provided in a small battery backup system. Some of the power used to hoist the bike can be reclaimed when the bicycle descends from the tree. Also, a few small solar panels at the top of the tree can assist in topping off the battery back up system.
upcycle 2 years ago
uuh she looks like a man when you dont see the face. A woman in male dresses and on a male bike. omg.
ATITANIC1992 2 years ago
Money may not grow on trees but bicycles do.
wotare 2 years ago 3
people do have ladders you know!
ryansjem 2 years ago
yah your gonna carry a ladder with you on your bike to work
=.= Nub!
killerjulien 2 years ago
Ingenious!
NoJake 2 years ago
seems pretty stressful on ur spokes
porn1978 2 years ago
Hi, it needn't be stressful on your spokes because it's the rim, not the spokes, that's being grabbed. When hanging a bike manually on a hook, you can do so in a way that the spokes are not touched; hopefully it's not difficult to adjust the bike accordingly when the bike tree grabs it.
Happy cycling!
MonaBen 2 years ago
lol thanks mona.
porn1978 2 years ago
I agree with mona. And for any added tension on spoks from hanging, it would be similar to(or less) what is produced when riding the bicycle. The only possible issue is when carry heavy cargo loads like with paniers on the bike. That MIGHT add higher load on front wheel spokes when hanging..
upcycle 2 years ago
Brilliant! I love it. I wish my work was close enough for me to ride my bike. I would do it all the time.
AeroJimE27 2 years ago
How far away is work?
therealcaldini 2 years ago
does TCS sell this system? if so, how much?
felinusm 2 years ago
Moving parts, key cards, electricity and non-intuitive design are all needless complications.
I imagine this rack is probably ten times more costly than one using a stationary metal frame.
Plus it takes up the same footprint and you can't actually *lock* to it. There seems to be no benefit here.
The most beautiful thing about bicycles is their simplicity. This is over engineering.
tcorourke2007 2 years ago 3
preach about it brother...
pawletoe 2 years ago 2
I disagree, in big cities this would be very useful, i don't see any in obvious way of stealing them.
TranceCanada 2 years ago 2
Moving part are subjective. Electronics are very reliable. Without knowing the design there is no way to know if it would be prone to beakage. As for locking the bike, it secures the front wheel to lift and I'd say being 12ft in the air in public is good enough. You need to lock your bike at grond level as its easy to get to. Your right about simplicity. It isn't simple to carry a chain/lock, or jam your bike into an overcrowed rack. More convience and people will use it. Need to be bigger
fireworkstube 2 years ago
Although I like the asthetics of it, and it's ability to hold more bikes securely than the equivlent space of a bike rack on grownd level (even without a rain/sun cover), can accomodate longer bikes (like tandems. It may be problematic for accomodating bicycle trailers. hovever, a bicycle trailer could b un hitched and hooked to upper part of frame of bike perhaps as a solution?
upcycle 2 years ago
I think the idea behind not having to lock it is that the smart card means the bike can only be lowered by the user that parked it - and it is raised high enough to be safe from theft. Sure - it's costly & over engineered - but given that much more is spent on over engineering cars - which just encourage people to stay fat and lazy - isn't it nice that for once someone induldges in such technology for bicycles!
MonaBen 2 years ago 2
C'est tre bougoisie.
THE1CALLEDJ 2 years ago 2
One of they big reasons people don't cycle to work is exactly what this device solves. Security and parking.
This is probably one of the best examples of "If you build it, they will come."
jama463 2 years ago 8
that will be more practical if they add solar panel on top for solving the energie problem
activeofthe85 2 years ago
Or just his own energie so you can place it where ever you want :)
xzaz2 2 years ago
Stupid design
Watch the design from Japan.
Totally solve the problem
joeypong 2 years ago
I can't help but notice that the only bike in the Bike Tree belongs to Our Protagonst. I must therefore assume that Our Protagonist is the only person that knows about the Bike Tree, and therefore, the Bike Tree is in desperate need of some exposure. I'll be sure to plug it in my blog.
domecrack 2 years ago
The concept is good but there is one problem. I can imagine in a city that there will be some people who will climb that bike tree and unhook the bikes. It's not very secured.
thibaulthalpern 2 years ago
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mellowmark1 2 years ago
we have to start futurizing (new word) eventually..
HaloGrndr 2 years ago
When rationalizing the cost effectiveness of this machine, we have to consider our cultural issues. First, with bikes. We have to assume that each bike that this holds has the value to merit the cost. Do people really place that much value on their bikes? The answer is in bike use. How do we use our bikes? Do we make quick trips to the store? Commutes to work? Would we want this machine to be there? Then, we look at culture in general. We used to not lock our doors, now we pay more for security.
dmcdvc 2 years ago
Buy a $10 bike chain and find a tree.
mellowmark1 2 years ago
A very tall dude shall have no problems...!
Combattoino 2 years ago
I first thought that raising bikes off the ground makes it possible for high voltage to be passed through the frames for added security. Then I realized, with any electronic system, a thief would just override the card reader instead of physically tampering with the bikes. The best security against bike theft is to copy what happened in japan. Make bikes so common place that they have little value. Then we would need these systems to keep bikes neat and off the street. Not so much for security.
dmcdvc 2 years ago
True, however, the japanese should probably has thought about a solution to this already. As with all creations, a solution to any future problems with it will be thought of during its creation.
The japanese probably had its own way to fix that thing quickly and easily too. And if they really need to fix it manually, the probable wating time should be about 5 to 15 minutes, which isn't long.
Sazer333 2 years ago
Tampering with a card reader would likely be something only available to the most sophisticated thief. And even so, the bike can still have a ulock locking it to the rack itself. This addes another layer of security. And the ulock's locking mechanism variability and inaccessability in the raised position would add more time delay, skill. And then the thief would likely evaluate whether the time is worth the effort. And still the thief could get caught.
upcycle 2 years ago
The japanese bike parking is better cos:
A - Is much faster
B - Stores more bicycles
C - More security
D - Hides the bicycle underground, preventing anyone from damaging your bicycle
Sazer333 3 years ago 2
comment looks like multiple choice question.
It seems both may have advantages/disadvantages, depending on the situation. I think the japanese one could be slower. Consider that only one bike can be retrieved at any moment. And you may have many people wanting to park or retrieve thier bicycles simultaneously. The bike tree can park and retrieve all the bicycles on each of its tracks independently, and simulateously. It probably less costly to maintain/operate, Continue to post your comments.
upcycle 3 years ago
It is true that the retrieval of bicycles may be slow in the case of a long que, however, having many people retrieving their bikes at once at a bike tree may cause crowding around the tree and may be hard for the bicycle owners to retrieve their bicycles.
Having a que may be long and inconvenient for people in a rush, but at least it is more formal.
Sazer333 3 years ago
The automated retrieval of the Japanese system is nice. However, if there is a failure in the system(hydraulic or electronic), all bikes will be unavailable. The tree system has independent actuators which makes failures local to one bike. Also, because it is a simple system, a manual override is possible.
dmcdvc 2 years ago
The idea of the tree system is nice but has a big safety problem.
teleostomi 2 years ago
japanese bike parking are much cooler than this.
bossyman15 3 years ago
wow...super cool. keeps the bike out of the weather too!!
JJerome711 3 years ago
the music really adds to it. reminds me of an oldskool futuristic movie
rawraga 3 years ago
wouldnt it be a lot cheaper for people to just buy locks and businesses to just buy bike racks
machiavelli15 3 years ago
This is retarted, talk about alot of great engineering put to waste. Way to fail.
cdj8050 3 years ago
seems like a pretty big waste of money unless they are dirt cheap to make.
hank4senate 3 years ago
Yeah, you can't help but wonder what went into making those...
G0D666 3 years ago
How is that secure enough from not being stolen? Is there some sort of memory PED that u swipe? I really like the concept though!
kungfu10 3 years ago
Yes, It is typically configured with a "smart card". That could remember date, time, and card used. for further security, that could also require the use of a Pin or pass code.
upcycle 3 years ago
This is really cool.
hollandjamess 3 years ago 2
cooooooooool
jakc303 3 years ago
Were are these at?
I still prefer the underground garage things in japan
bobdole1988 3 years ago
The manufacturer is based in Europe. There are apparently at least some located in european countries.
upcycle 3 years ago
Ahh thanks
bobdole1988 3 years ago
not for sure in Italy...
giacotubo 3 years ago
Gorgous woman!
Fujimoto420 3 years ago
Pretty cool system. I like it.
Duncan55Watson 3 years ago
sorry i was being silly. I was just saying that anyone with a ladder could just get a free bicycle, but i guess you could always hand them from the rear with a d lock and/or chain. I really like this idea. Maybe they could also have a moat with a bridge that comes out and goes away when you park you bike.
jamesjharvey 3 years ago
thanks for your comment. In addition to locking the bike with a u-lock or cable/chain, it may be possible to rig the hanging assembly with a sensor that would trigger an alarm or sound and lights, if someone tampers with the hooking mechanism. and that alarm could also silently alert law enforcement. Additionally, cameras could be placed to take pictures of the area if the alarm is triggered. This could be used for further evidence.
upcycle 3 years ago
err ladders ?
jamesjharvey 3 years ago
clarify your question.
upcycle 3 years ago
Brilliant idea! With some details, it is absolutely safe. Let's use it!
perpyrus 3 years ago
MAN technology getting easier and better every year . =)
George21T 3 years ago
hopefully the security guards have segways so they can chase away theives.
TheTiredWanderer 3 years ago
god i need that where i live stupid bike thiefs
darkriver46 3 years ago