"America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well...all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!"
I don't really understand why it's so difficult for some american to understand that a socialism health system care like in europe is better than US system ? All people who work pay every mounth the social security even if they not need to go to hospital but if one day, they need some cares, they don't pay anything. Even if they are poor or they haven't got an assurance ! for me, the health care must to be for all people, not only for people who've money.
@Kenpachi035 The health care system in Europe and Canada isn't better. Lots of foreigners come to America because of the long waits for particular care and American hospitals have the most up to date technology. I remember seeing a billboard in Canada stating they got the MRI machine, this was about 10 years after it came out and most American hospitals had them. I also live in Germany for a number of years and was hospitalized once. The European system will become bankrupt, just wait.
@HumanNonPerson In USA, when you haven' got an assurance and when you must to go to hospital for some problems... you haven' got a chance to be treated. You right about two things: in european system, you're waiting more than in USA hospital and USA have a good hospital with a great doctors and technology.
But the problem isn't here. USA system is based on capitalism. All people who have money can be treated. Others people can just die.
@Kenpachi035 I work at a hospital, and if you come in with a serious issue, you will be treated. My hospital also forgave over $500 million in debt last year.
In France or any other country you don't get free health care. It costs money and the money comes from somewhere. You pay indirectly through taxes.
My overall point is that there is this idea that if you don't have money you are just left to "die." And this is just not true. Sure we have our problems, but who doesn't.
@HumanNonPerson Just one question: if a man have a cancer and if he's poor, could he be treated fot that ? No. He must to have an assurance. In France, EVERYBODY can be treated for anythings. It's simple: everybody pay the social security every mounths and all people can use it for any health problem. It's more simple than US system, i think.
@HumanNonPerson It's strange because americans always say: "we're very solidary !", "we help all americans !" but when you can help a lot of people with a social health system care, ... no one ! I think that US people are very capitalist and think that all others economics systems are communist. Socialism is just between capitalist and communist. It's why this system is the best.
@HumanNonPerson In France, for example, i waited ~1H20 for a scanner. I know that it could be too long for US people but when i'm coming back to home, i paid nothing ! The people health can't be and shouldn't be marketed ! And... France, about the technology and progress about heal is just 3th, just behind USA and Japon.
@Kenpachi035 You also need to take the information in this video with a grain of salt. Take the average life expectancy. So why do Americans have a lower life expectancy than the Japanese? I don't think it is because the American heath care system is bad. How about because the American diet is extremely unhealthy. This is a social issue, while health related, not a health care issue. The care that obese people get is top grade, but they still have to make choices for themselves.
@HumanNonPerson I NEVER said that US hospital, doctors, technology were bad. I just said that Health shouldn't be marketed and must to be for all, even for poor people. And you know, USA have a lower life expectancy than a lot of countries since a lot of time, before the problem of obesity.
@HumanNonPerson US system is 100% capitalist. If you have money, you can be treated, if you haven't got, you can't. In Europe, even if you're poor and without assurance, you will be treated. And it's not just to give any drugs. You will have all examens that you need, all treatement that you need...
@Kenpachi035 It isn't 100% capitalistic system, if this were true, when someone gets shot in the chest a hospital could refuse treatment because they would be unable to pay. This would never happen because it is against the law. Showing at least some socialistic quality. There are other similar, less life and death scenarios. Also organizations like Planned Parenthood help people get medical attention that are funded privately and by the government, lessening the capitalistic quality.
@SonOfOuranos Not true. Any non lib American will debate you with factual evidence, like me! We are glad you left and hope you don't return. My brother lives "elsewhere" and raves about the "system". He doesn't, and makes a point not to, rave about the taxes he is paying. Ahhhhh the one catch no one wants to bring up cause "it doesn't matter". LOL doesn't it? My brother thinks so but is very comfortable giving it. It's a severely flawed product. As is my brother, he's a fn moron! 60-80% tax??
@8MCDonalds8 That's not entirely accurate. Countries like those in Scandinavia actually have overall tax rates that are comparable to current US levels, they just have better VAT-centered tax systems. People who use those countries to support liberal causes mistake the fact that the primary reason they have better economic outcomes in terms of education and health care is, go figure, because they don't have 34% obesity rates and a costly dysfunctional underpopulace of convicts and dolers.
@thereinliestherib So my brother, who lives there, is inaccurate? I based my statement on his real life, actually/factual experience. He is still a moron LOL This country is loaded with convicts unfortunately, even at corporate levels.
@8MCDonalds8 Somewhat. Its just partisan BS when people use socioeconomic data from "socialist" countries to support their ideology or condemn their opponents'. The fact that overall tax rates are more equal than most care to admit, despite enormous difference of economic outcomes for education and health care, only shows that our problems have a LOT more to do with internal dysfunction than prior systemic factors. Regards
@thereinliestherib OMG our problems are ridiculous! Our system is not, and has not, worked too much in our favor in centuries. Well pretty much since taxes were implemented to support WWII. We are NOT getting proper representation of our tax dollars whatsoever and the constitution claims that to be, well-unconstitutional. REVOLT!! LOL
@8MCDonalds8 One question: what have you done for the evil "system"? You cannot blame an abstraction of which you are a part. That's the biggest contradiction in US ideology, left or right: "It's always someone else's fault, even if you couldn't wrap a purse sein around my waist line." CIP, people blame the HC system, even though incredibly poor personal health stats have increased exponentially over the last three decades. Whose fault is that? The forks' fault??? I blame forks!!! LOL!
@thereinliestherib I know a good fork attorney ha! They have as much rights as animals to have representation. Good question though. No idea what I can do to get taxes on income removed other than blabbing about it on youtube. LOL So many people think it can't be done and the country won't prosper without them. I don''t agree and know that we were doin at least ok prior to their implementation. It was a time of big change and taxes are a primary reason. No they make politicians rich!
@8MCDonalds8 No corporate person hood makes politicians rich. America is the only place I've heard of having this law. Corporate person hood always corporations to have rights like a person, and what do ya kknow? Donating money to a political party is considered to be a form of speech. All in all, it essentially makes bribery legal, this explains fox news, the CEOs of the biggest corporations in america and the republican party always all seem to be on the same side.
If God has 'blessed' the United States then why do people feel the need to have guns in their bedrooms? Why does it have an awful healthcare system where the poor are the most vulnerable? Why are guns even legal!? Why are there earthquakes and hurricanes? Why do a small proportion feel the need to bang on about religion? Don't mean to stereotype every American person but it's hard not to when there are so many ignorant idiots trawling the internet!
@SunnyKid975 How many people feel this "need". I have one cause I can. Not really "needed". I don't care where I lived. If I could have one I would. There are crazy people EVERYWHERE! Ignorance is so fucking bliss. Canada gave a baby no chance to live so they moved him (baby Joseph-google it losers!!) to America where he got the treatment he needed and then was returned to his shit country. You are quite stupid and ignorant as well. Nice way to make up stories about why people own a firearm.
@8MCDonalds8 Canada gets a “C” and now ties the U.K. for 15th place out of 17 peer countries. Its infant mortality rate is shockingly high at 5 deaths per 1000 for a country at Canada’s level of socio-economic development. Unfortunately for your comment the US is rated "D" at 6.7 deaths per 1000.
@davijeph Has nothing to do with owning a firearm. It also has nothing to do with life expectancy. Yes it is horribly high, amazingly high for a society as highly respected as the world thinks we are supposed to be. Not those that believe us to be the great satan. One very good reason for this is the psycho's on drugs. The amount of babies born addicted to anything, and prematurely as a result, is staggering. Thus, FREEDOM. Maybe we are too free? Still changes nothing regarding our amazing HC
@8MCDonalds8 I assumed the video's message was about healthcare. The right of US's citizenry too own weapons is a commonly held view in the US. If you feel the need and have the right to do so OK by me. Gun deaths in the US are around 30.000 a year, in gun controlled UK if adjusted to US population figures around 600. If I lived in a place where "crazy people are EVERYWHERE" i would move out fast. I'm not so sure your HC is quite that amazing given its high cost and low rating. Regards
@davijeph IUf you don't believe there are crazy people in every country/county/city/town/hovel/etc/etc/etc in the world you are severely ignorant. In fact, severely ignorant cannot describe the severity to which you are. You might be one of the crazy one's. There are thousands medicated for mental issues, or could be, EVERYWHERE!!!!! I know our healthcare is one of the most highly sought in the world. The "right" to own them is in writing, and it is viewable, so good job?? I have killed no one.
Is it ridiculous for example that America is the only industrialized nation in the world that can't give its citizens access to healthcare, yet more money per person is spent on health care in the USA than in any other nation in the world.
@CesarManiaX As an example? No. If you are suggesting it to be true, you're nuts. I know from personal experience coverage is available to those who need it. Might not be able to make all the choices and implement your preferences but that care is there and we (tax payers) have been paying for it for years!
@CesarManiaX The idea that America "can't give its citizens access to healthcare" is a serious misconception. No one will ever be denied if their is a threat to their life, loss of a limb or a sense like eyesight. What you can't get "free" care for is things like aspirin or birth control pills. But their are organizations that do give out free medical care to everyone. So I guess you can get these things for free. When people "can't" get healthcare is because they are too lazy to find it.
@SonOfOuranos Australia usually ranks 5th / 6th in the studies I've seen. About 22% of its adult population has a BMI over 30. So you should only need to meet 5 Australians to meet a fat one. Of course, the rates of obesity in Aussies living abroad (where you might meet one) are likely different.
Canada, as a whole, is not terrible, but if you look at certain areas (especially Eastern Canada... mmmm... puntin) you get something similar to the U.S.
Some Americans become offended when they find out that the US is not #1.They will lash out with irrelevant points of eating habits or illegal immigrants, instead of focusing on the facts of the treatments which this video is about. It is embarrassing to be an American when you are surrounded by stupidity.
@realoldguy1969 Initial point is true but then you start to go somewhere else with it. Are you trying to prove mortality rate? Life expectancy? If you are trying to claim U.S. does not have top life expectancy, last time I checked that was true-barely. But if you are trying to ignore the fact that we are the most obese country in the world, which is a choice in most cases, and trying to prove that has no legitimacy in the situation, you are just stupid.
WOW you Euro's are fucking clueless. Comparing Japan to the U.S. for life expectancy really? Well bud I lived in Japan for 5 years and their diet and habits are shit. Over half of the population smoked like a chimney and their normal diet was fucking fried foods, KFC, an Mcdonalds. They have more salt, empty calories, and sugar in their diet then anyone I have ever met. Comparing Oregon to Flordia really dude LOL? Lets see the FLORDIA HAS A 100 TIMES MORE ILLEGAL ALIENS THEN OREGON.
@Warpath2198@Warpath2198 I believe you but this chart says that Japan is much higher than the U.S. LOL It's CIA dot gov life expectancy. U.S. is 50th down the list in their stats...out of over 200.
Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
This video is so unscientific it is crazy, comparing healthcare the way you do leaves so many variable gaps it is insane. You don't exactly use quality comparison. Comparing Europe to the USA is insane. America has better healthcare, it just has a worse lifestyle. How many people have health problems in the US compared to other countries? It doesn't matter how good the system is if you're smoking, drinking, eating like a pig, and sitting around all day. I'd have died in the Canadian system.
@ALibertarianCitizen The difference is that nations with public healthcare have a strong budget incentive to prevent citizens from becoming sick in the first place, as it reduces costs to the national budget. They invest more money in preventative healthcare and education to reduce smoking and obesity.
It is ridiculous to spend so much more money on healthcare and not even get significant benefits out of the extra spend. It's bleeding the US to death.
Life expectancy? We Americans are fat slobs! This is psuedo-science. why do so many "scientists" have such an inability to understand the difference between causation and correlation? He additionally indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of the capabilities of government to determine "quality" of care. This is disingenous and/or woefully under-researched.
@foolioay granted that life expectancy is a function of more than just patient care, the largest factor in life expectancy is still the quality of medical practice. did active hunter-gatherers with primitive technology have life expectancies comparable to those of people today?
@foolioay There is a lot of research around how us being fat slobs correlates. But Canada and Australia are nearly identical to us in obesity issues, yet their costs are still almost half of ours and their life expectancy is higher. In fact, their governments spends less on healthcare (pre-Obama), their % of GDP spending is less, and yet they are getting better service on many terms. It's a multi-factorial issue and this video does help put some of factors into perspective. Good video.
@foolioay You can be philosophical about the government not being able to determine "quality" of care. But in the real world when so much of the US economy is being eaten up by healthcare costs something needs to be done about it. People should always be free to choose private sector care. But the system needs to be regulated on a Federal level. It is beyond stupid to have each state with different healthcare regulations and companies. It drives up costs and reduces competition.
@HackneyEquine What i'm saying is that there is a reason for not everyone having health insurance. It cost's too much money. Money is the whole problem with health care. This public option and all of these changes do nothing to fix the money problem. in fact, they make it all worse. I'm not saying that a lot of people shouldn't have health insurance, i'm saying that giving it to everyone hurts everyone in the long run.
@towerguard6 Scrap medicaid and medicare. You create a public healthcare option to co-exist with the private healthcare options. But if people earn over a certain amount of income that would allow them to afford private care, you charge them a surcharge tax if they don't buy private coverage. Those who can afford it will buy private care (and receive extra choice etc) and those who are too poor will still receive care. It would actually end up costing the US economy less than it spends now.
@HackneyEquine What you're saying is that instead of not paying for them, we should buy more food for them and go bankrupt. And the restaurant will have to buy more food for us, which will cost money, and it will eventually go bankrupt. But that's ok as long as they had food to last them for a few hours. Never mind that everyone eventually loses. Just keep them happy for a while while everything else goes down the drain.
@HackneyEquine What you're saying is that instead of not paying for them, we should buy more food for them and go bankrupt. And the restaurant will have to buy more food for us, which will cost money, and it will eventually go bankrupt. But that's ok as long as they had food to last them for a few hours. Never mind that everyone eventually loses. Just keep them happy for a while while everything else goes down the drain.
More health care for the poor costs money. That's the whole problem. As he stated, some doctors get paid for the equipment they use, but it ultimately costs the patient money. So because only the middle class and upper class can afford it, they get most of the treatment. Adding more people to the health care system is an even bigger problem because the costs go up even higher then what the guy said they do. Add poor people who can't pay for it, and the cost goes up and up and up.....
don't force me to pay for an obese, sedentary,smoker's diabetic's coronary bypass and foot amputation. That is his/her responsibility since they had a lifetime to get into their predicament. My money won't pull them back to good health; it will only increase quantity of life and does nothing for quality of life if they make some better (informed) choices.
That isn't the problem. America is in economic trouble... If you look at our government's entitlement spending data, it shows that soon our government will go bankrupt like Greece recently. Reforming this will at least save some time before that happens...
Not necessary? If you've watched this video including other videos interviewing doctors, historians, etc, our current(or past) healthcare is very wasteful. The only people who really had healthcare were those who were very ill. People who were going to die in just a week to a month spend over thousands of dollars just to stay alive and do unnecessary tests, even if they're sleeping most of the time.
Netherland & Switzerland, 99% coverage and no public plan, but insurance companies are regulated like utility companies. Taiwan & Singapore have best medical care system in the world, 99% coverage, high quality, NO WAITING, and they are government run with less 5% GDP. Unreasonable premium, preexisting condition exclusion, changing drug formulary, deny treatment, medicare drug GAP for Senior are just plain wrong. Come on my fellow American, let us fix the healthcare for our children sakes!
It's true that the incentives in the U.S. for health care are perverse. But there is no free market in health care to blame. Look to the disconnect between patients and doctors. Doctors do business not with their patients but with insurance providers and government bureaucracy, both given special privileges under law. The end consumer is no longer sovereign. This crucial feedback control of a genuine free market is conspicuously absent. There should be no wonder that prices are out of control.
this is another scientific explanation like the one given on another fraud Man Made Global Warming. Pure bunk there is are many factors that Govern the high cost of health care like government intervention into the system. If the U.S. Government got out of health totally. They are not doctors except for Ron Paul he says the same thing. Why is it that people who actually understand health care are NEVER listened to? This bloke is off his crackers....
Did you know that in all the countries that he compared to the US (in terms of cost and life expectancy) healthcare is provided to the government in a single payer system?
You can understand the issues relating to healthcare as well if you study the facts. In fact he encourages you to take a look at the data itself and draw your own conclusions.
The companies neither pay or have a say, they are legislated to comply. "Maternity Leave" is federal law, and is part of the federal social safety net. It is funded through federal taxes. The gov. pays out 80% salary and the company does not have to pay anything, but some better employers do top it up. Also after 4 mths, the mother can go back to work if she chooses, and the father can stay home instead. All this and our taxes are only slightly higher. "socialism" sucks!
The cancer survivability may be attributed to other things - in 2002 the Incidence of Cancer at the national level for OCED nations averaged at 295 per 100,000 for males and 226 per 100,000 for females. The U.S. rates were 437 for males and 303 for females - which is much higher than the average for the rest of the OECD.
As for a different figure than LE the WHO ranked USA's healthcare 37th in the world in terms of quality of care.
thats because the majority can. But a large minority isn't so fortunate and I think you are really divorced from thsi reality, but yea ignore science and scientist what do they know?
you are retarded. the US is a melting pot of cultures, and social tensions prevent us from wanting to have UHC. japan and norway are so homogeneous in comparison, that they gladly want UHC. you overlook that fact. is there something wrong, yes. but is UHC the answer, not so much
Singapore has UHC and so does HongKong. IT has nothing to do with them being homogeneous because those are both multi-cultural countries. (and yes HongKong by law has its own sovereignty and is under the protection of the PRC gov't. There are Hongkong passports, citizenship etc etc.)
yes, but do singapore and hong kong have 308 million people and counting....its the combination of the staggering population and the melting pot of cultures that will prevent this from happening in the US. even as of now Obama is starting to screw up to the point where even Democrats hate him
Singapore and hongkong are more free market than AMerica is and that was the point of my argument. Also Singapore, and Hongkong is more multicultural than America is look it up or travel there you will see it for yourself. Nothing is wrong with universal healthcare. MY god HK and Singapore are places both known for its very mobile population and a huge haven for expats Your argument is weak because you think the US is unique. We have more people thus a bigger tax base we can afford it!
oo and I am for raising taxes on those that make more than 200,000 USD a yr, and I am for lifting the tax on expat citizens that live abroad because they're burdened to pay the taxes of the country they are resident in and taxes to the US(Which we are the only country to do this.. punishing those leaving the country doesn't show freedom).. BTW yea I am very liberal. Japan has UHC, Turkey has UHC, Germany is diverse it has UHC, France UHC UK UHC Canada UHC they got diverse populations!!!
Your conclusion on the unnecessary cardiograms assumes that low spending areas are equally equipped. Not so! And use of tests is correlated to malpractice suits, not greedy doctors! Miami is high because of more lawsuits! That's resolved by tort reform, not turning on the medical system.
I think you are thoroughly misguided on the difference between personal freedom and the agents that work to and fro that, just like you are confused about the difference between a liberal and a libertarian. I'm so disappointed with the people of the so-called free world that should be nuanced and balanced, yet prove themselves to be the most black and white country on earth where most of you can't stand the fact that a centrist (both in terms of political views and race) is your leader.
It naver had anything to do with race, he neither a centrist.....He is a socialist as in so far to the left he is worse than a democrat. He has all the media plugged to have outsiders think otherwise.
AND that is how I see it. If you are not in the USA seeing this well that is to bad! DON'T DRINK THE KOOL-AID!
These are not liberals or democrats. THEY ARE SOCIALISTS -COMMUNISTS....They want the gov't to provide for them in every aspect. Healthcare now and then pay for my education, buy my house and it will never stop!
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Tort Reform was avoided because there is a large number of civil lawyers in the democratic party. That is why they avoided it.....HOWARD DEAN SAID THAT!
People are pathetic. You're getting free healthcare and you're complaining? What the hell is wrong with you, honestly? It's not like private hospitals will suddenly become free as well, you may as well go to them if you want premium services. Sure it'll raise taxes some but this selfish mentality is what keeps this type of US resident close-minded.
But then again I'm European and have socialist democratic viewpoints so obviously I'll be ignored.
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Because the government can not be trusted. They will want to control every aspect of our lives. They will infringe on our rights. H.C. is an invasion of privacy. We are running huge debts from wars, spending and bailouts.
Give me an example of research or cures that came out of state run hospitals. We have a system that works. It is not perfect, but it works.
First, if we have a public system the health care costs might be reduced so maybe the rise in taxes will be negligible. And how is it an invasion of privacy and infringe on your rights? You have a right to choose. It is a public OPTION.
Second, there are plenty of State Universities where plenty of research and cures are created. Just because it is government doesn't make it bad.
We have been open minded...Millions of Europeans have immigrated to the U.S.A. not for an expectancy of free healthcare. But an expectancy of being free with individual liberties. Fruits of labor.
Why do you call us selfish? We accepted those into our society and today many whom are here are on welfare(food and shelter), signed their kids on state healthcare (free) and enrolled their kids in school at taxpayers expense,
I'm an American, and I hate people who say they are patriots when they are clearly only trying to profit off other peoples misery. A patriot does something for the best of their own country and countrymen. You are no patriot, you are blinded by your political party and your own ignorance. A patriot would want their fellow American to have healthcare.
i want e'1 to have healthcare. A real patriot keeps his guard up and his government at a distance. I am willing to die for my constitutional rights and not live under an oppressive gov;t . As I have been sworn to defend, serve and protect as a soldier and as a police officer.
Costs would be lower? Personally, I don't care. I'm not money hungry and if I have to pay a little more so people aren't dying, so be it.
Do I believe it isn't invasion of your privacy? What privacy? We live in a world were if you wanted you could find out anything.
Do I think the government isn't bad? A government 'by the people, for the people'. I hope, truly, that it isn't bad. If it is we are all screwed and we are the ones who screwed ourselves.
@Zantetsudex I'm European too and honestly it was a dream for me to move to the US and avoid this socialist mandatory healthcare we have in Europe. You must pay the double to receive low quality services and then when you really need something you have to pay again and again.
Sorry, nothing is free and when the money goes thru the government 70% is lost!
No way. Socialism in Europe is not working and Europe is not working.
@zataflex Its rare to find Europeans with common sense. This guy's video is a bunch of shit as I just explained above. He knows nothing of American diets across the nation, demographics, and where illegal Aliens live. I even lived in Japan and their diet and habits is just shit. There are many more Americans that have WAY better habits then Japanese.
@Zantetsudex 22 years old and you have barely lived, own nothing, and you do not realize western Europe is drowning in debt because of your silly views. Poor people already have free healthcare as well as illegal aliens. We have hospitals that are delivering babies for mostly illegal aliens. Why are Americans paying taxes for illegal immigrants?
Not to mention Flordia not only has a shit ton more illegal Aliens then Oregon they also have 18 mil residents vs. Oregons 3.8 mil residents. Typical uneducated Euro's trying to explain things about nations they know zero about.
Also why are you showing the south with some of the highest heart attack rates? lol. What are you stupid? Everyone in this country knows southerners have the highest obesity rates because they have THE WORST DIET. Fried breaded foods with high sugar intake will do that to you. This guy is either an idiot or has an agenda
Very insightful video. I baffles me how when people see that science deviates from their personal views, they completely dismiss it. What ultimate truth have these people figured out that the rest of us haven't? The people who know the least, seem to know it with the most confidence!
But whom we have in charge in washington and place the care in gov't hands is not the answer.
We are in debt, I worry of Orwellian technology such as an RFID implant, the government will tax us from conception to death, they will infringe on our rights. Look at england, canada and australlia they have no weapons. This government will become totalitarian.
The Health-Care debate is unrelated to gun reform. Unlike legislation like the Patriot Act, this proposal has little relevance outside of its field; thus the "slippery slope" argument is not just inappropriate but is paranoid.
You disregard verifiable fact in favor of gut feelings and personal attacks. You enter debate with a predesposed agenda, and ignore anything that can discredit your platform. I'll spin on a dime if you can show me reputable verifiable evidence to back your claims.
But it does....This what happens when you let the government make descions for you. They made themselves stronger and the citizen weaker. That was my point.
1) They will tax us. Not hard to verify. We pay taxes every day on nearly every item
2) Technology: RFID chip implant
will be required-track, monitored, taxed. 666
3) Death care check list found at the VA
4) Look up the word totalitarian and you will see that the definition fits BHO and his administration to a tee.
2) A bit paranoid? If the government wanted you tracked they wouldn't need a RFID chip
3) End of life panels are for people who CHOOSE to seek counselling, not mandatory
4) I would rather live in a totalitarian society with free healthcare and less war, than a dictatorship where people are tortured for no reason and we are in a war for oil
Healthcare is not free and you will pay an additional tax. I am not for war either.
They are tracking you with the phone now they want to implant you for all transactions for information and to tax you on your diet and your carbon imprint. The money is to go too the world bank.
You would be enslaved under a totalitarian society. YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE A SLAVE? You would be inilated when you are no more use to society. (deathpanels)
USAPatriot1966, You are one paranoid man (or woman). Then again, I'm not obsessed with making money, so some taxes never hurt anyone. I like my roads, schools, health, and safety. As long as it isn't going to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
I'm skinny, I don't have a SUV, and I don't have long discussions about bombing people over the phone. They can listen all they want.
Oh, and we live in a CAPITALISM, not totalitarian. Money controls all, not the people being paid to be puppets.
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When they tax you for the food you eat as they contain certain ingrediants, calories, sugars, if you smoke, the air you breath, if you (or wife) pregnant. OH YEAH THEY are allready doing it...It will be worse when this H.C. passes.
I would like to see YOUR statistical and documented proof to back up the claims that they are taxing our calories, sugars, air, pregnant women. I would also like to see your proof they will be worse with a new HC option. I see newscientistvideo's proof, where is yours?
And there are devices that remove RFID tags. Just because they can, doesn't mean they are watching you. Besides, what are you doing that is worth watching?
The only people who should have fear of being watched are people doing something wrong and people in a position to steal power from the power hungry. If your trying to steal power, you are already being watched without RFID.
So, which category are you? Do you really care if the government knows you buy cornflakes?
I have to reply and point out your bullshit. The reason British people are replying to this is because they actually live in a society where they have the health care Democrats are aiming for. You rush in with blind conviction, they have first-hand experience. It's like trying to one-up Stephen Hawking at astrophysics because you read one article. Fascism is the antithesis of Socialism, how would a "Fascist" leader lead us to Socialism when they are complete opposites?
I am not blind. Look at all my comments. I am tired of arguing with you people. Healthcare Reform is a farce. Do not trust the government with this much power. You will regret it!
I guess I am better off ignorring extreme left whacko's like you.
No matter what I say or the credentials I have or gov't jobs I withheld nothing will change your mind. Go get your vaccine, your id card then your chip inplant, allow the gov't to take over 60 percent of your take home pay, let them into your home and allow them to know every detail about you and allow that you can be on secret lists. BE A GOOD CITIZEN! Enjoy your life!
Patriot? And somehow Patriot? You want us to believe you are a patriot by spreading rumors and lies that support the insurance industry, there by leaving 46 million of your fellow patriot uninsured. Nobodyt is going to take 60% of your pay. Your the one that supports laws banning forms of sex, and removing people like Howard Stern off T.V. Get out my house and my life! You are a hypocrit and a moron!
The easiest way to control the cost of the healthcare in US is to allow doctors in countries that have better healthcare to practice medicine in US. Too bad AMA will not allow this.
Couldn't of said it better myself.. It's trial and error, you have to learn from the mistakes of history and move forward but most important, never forget the mistakes and lessons learned from the past.
I wish everyone would quit hatin on america Mates. Its no better than them thinkin all ausies live on permanent walkabout. Let's hate the real drivers o the planet who only allow certain aspects of life to us all. Until that hsppens, there won't be universal "ANYTHING" .Just an idea, don't hate me please.
You're exactly right nirmtrREEEPR. The general population really have very little power over things. Its the people with power (MONEY) that decide what is best for millions of others.
nirmtrREEEPR: We don't hate Americans, in fact some of us are concerned for the Americans without healthcare. Personally, I hate the right-wing corporate shills who are trying their best to keep the population down.
Life expectancy is a measure of more than the quality of your healthcare system. For example, Americans eat lots of hamburgers, drive cars into walls, and shoot each other. If you remove those from consideration for all countries, the US actually has the highest life expectancies.
Interesting video, but many blatant gaps of information and assumptions here. First of all, life expectancy and death rate after a heart attack is not a good solo indicator of health care. There are so many more important factors to consider. If this entire video is based on just 1 or 2 guessed results for measuring health care quality, then this already fails.
Sorry, but this is over-simplification and therefore has no "scientific" backing at all. Why is this even on "NewScientist" channel?!?
"life expectancy and death rate after a heart attack is not a good solo indicator of health care"
Yes, they are. Face it: the majority of U.S. citizens do not have access to quality health care. This is a concern to those who actually respect medical sciences as tools to help people.
"Yes, they are. Face it: the majority of U.S. citizens do not have access to quality health care. This is a concern to those who actually respect medical sciences as tools to help people."
No, they are not. What about all of the other preventable diseases out there? Are you that shallow that you think only two factors are signs to measure health care? Gees, expand your mind a bit and wake up.
Those are an accurate measure of the effectiveness of the U.S. healthcare system compared to other developed countries whether you like it or not.
It is statistically significant no matter what you say. There is nothing you can say to spin these facts. Face it. It's how it is; you just need to have more humility.
Do you want more? The U.S. is ranked 41st in preventing maternal deaths out of all developed countries. Did you read how much the U.S. spends?
Anyways, I do understand your concern. And I really can't comment on the long term effects of any drugs or what not. I can only assume that the 'evil pharmaceutical' company you mention would get "greedy" or stupid.. and start issuing out drugs that caused side effects not intended on the short term.
In which people would stop going to them and they would lose money, and there names not forgotten. And these evil men would be hunted down, put in prison or killed.
People would have learned a valuable lesson, and grown as a whole. And would be more leery of the next company that said they offered a drug that cured all.
Well, that's what Doctors are there for... They have studied for a long time, they should know these things. When you go in ask some questions.
I always ask people when they go to the doctor, "So what did he say?" and the response I get, is I don't know. I am like "Did you ask him anything" there like "No"
I don't think regulations have anything to do with anything. I think its more the individuals, lacking some basic sense when it comes to asking questions and making decisions. You have to ask questions of professionals to learn..
And even if regulations did not exist I think something similar to that company with the symbol (UL) (It'll be there on the back of your keyboard) would come along for public health care.
Have you ever seen that Lawyer site? that gives lawyers ratings and reviews? That came about for a reason. Like I said the internet really is a great tool.
You have a shortage with a small population.... yet we're gonna adequately cover our population. I know countries like Canada love to think of the world as this Utopian place... but it doesn;t work that way... the vast majority of Americans believe in individual responsibility... We work for what we get... we don't expect to get a handout from everyone else.
"We need to start with an international comparison".... from the WHO?? How about you start with an evaluation of how they compute their statistics and what is counted against the US as far as life expectancy goes. Lets talk about how when I want health care... I get what I went, whenever I want and you get to wait in line. I'd like to hear the non US citizens to just shut their mouths about something that doesn't concern them in any way. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS.
I'm sorry, but after decades of the USA sticking it's nose in world affairs, I hope you don't mind if we return the favor and remember, we are doing this to help you, perhaps more than what your government has done to help the world at large.
So you had time to say my suggestion is basically not a good suggestion, but not time to go review a product that you bought off amazon com, or talk about a business you shopped at today on your blog?
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"America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well...all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!"
Charlie12241 1 month ago
Can an American answer this question?
Why doesn't the US government pay for everyone's health care who does not have insurance?
What's the problem?
I'm Australian and my wife underwent a bilateral lung transplant 2 years ago.
We have a combined income of less than $50,000.
The government payed for pre-transplant care, surgery and post transplant care.
The entire cost - which would have been several million.
An its Australia - a far less wealthy country than America...
WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?
Hammersley1967 7 months ago
@Hammersley1967 People here are greedy.
Charlie12241 1 month ago
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overseaopp 8 months ago
I don't really understand why it's so difficult for some american to understand that a socialism health system care like in europe is better than US system ? All people who work pay every mounth the social security even if they not need to go to hospital but if one day, they need some cares, they don't pay anything. Even if they are poor or they haven't got an assurance ! for me, the health care must to be for all people, not only for people who've money.
(sorry for my bad english^^)
Kenpachi035 9 months ago
@Kenpachi035 The health care system in Europe and Canada isn't better. Lots of foreigners come to America because of the long waits for particular care and American hospitals have the most up to date technology. I remember seeing a billboard in Canada stating they got the MRI machine, this was about 10 years after it came out and most American hospitals had them. I also live in Germany for a number of years and was hospitalized once. The European system will become bankrupt, just wait.
HumanNonPerson 8 months ago
@HumanNonPerson In USA, when you haven' got an assurance and when you must to go to hospital for some problems... you haven' got a chance to be treated. You right about two things: in european system, you're waiting more than in USA hospital and USA have a good hospital with a great doctors and technology.
But the problem isn't here. USA system is based on capitalism. All people who have money can be treated. Others people can just die.
Kenpachi035 8 months ago
@Kenpachi035 I work at a hospital, and if you come in with a serious issue, you will be treated. My hospital also forgave over $500 million in debt last year.
In France or any other country you don't get free health care. It costs money and the money comes from somewhere. You pay indirectly through taxes.
My overall point is that there is this idea that if you don't have money you are just left to "die." And this is just not true. Sure we have our problems, but who doesn't.
HumanNonPerson 8 months ago
@HumanNonPerson Just one question: if a man have a cancer and if he's poor, could he be treated fot that ? No. He must to have an assurance. In France, EVERYBODY can be treated for anythings. It's simple: everybody pay the social security every mounths and all people can use it for any health problem. It's more simple than US system, i think.
Kenpachi035 8 months ago
@HumanNonPerson It's strange because americans always say: "we're very solidary !", "we help all americans !" but when you can help a lot of people with a social health system care, ... no one ! I think that US people are very capitalist and think that all others economics systems are communist. Socialism is just between capitalist and communist. It's why this system is the best.
Kenpachi035 8 months ago
@HumanNonPerson In France, for example, i waited ~1H20 for a scanner. I know that it could be too long for US people but when i'm coming back to home, i paid nothing ! The people health can't be and shouldn't be marketed ! And... France, about the technology and progress about heal is just 3th, just behind USA and Japon.
Kenpachi035 8 months ago
@Kenpachi035 You also need to take the information in this video with a grain of salt. Take the average life expectancy. So why do Americans have a lower life expectancy than the Japanese? I don't think it is because the American heath care system is bad. How about because the American diet is extremely unhealthy. This is a social issue, while health related, not a health care issue. The care that obese people get is top grade, but they still have to make choices for themselves.
HumanNonPerson 8 months ago
@HumanNonPerson I NEVER said that US hospital, doctors, technology were bad. I just said that Health shouldn't be marketed and must to be for all, even for poor people. And you know, USA have a lower life expectancy than a lot of countries since a lot of time, before the problem of obesity.
Kenpachi035 8 months ago
@HumanNonPerson US system is 100% capitalist. If you have money, you can be treated, if you haven't got, you can't. In Europe, even if you're poor and without assurance, you will be treated. And it's not just to give any drugs. You will have all examens that you need, all treatement that you need...
Kenpachi035 8 months ago
@Kenpachi035 It isn't 100% capitalistic system, if this were true, when someone gets shot in the chest a hospital could refuse treatment because they would be unable to pay. This would never happen because it is against the law. Showing at least some socialistic quality. There are other similar, less life and death scenarios. Also organizations like Planned Parenthood help people get medical attention that are funded privately and by the government, lessening the capitalistic quality.
HumanNonPerson 8 months ago
@SonOfOuranos Not true. Any non lib American will debate you with factual evidence, like me! We are glad you left and hope you don't return. My brother lives "elsewhere" and raves about the "system". He doesn't, and makes a point not to, rave about the taxes he is paying. Ahhhhh the one catch no one wants to bring up cause "it doesn't matter". LOL doesn't it? My brother thinks so but is very comfortable giving it. It's a severely flawed product. As is my brother, he's a fn moron! 60-80% tax??
8MCDonalds8 10 months ago
@8MCDonalds8 That's not entirely accurate. Countries like those in Scandinavia actually have overall tax rates that are comparable to current US levels, they just have better VAT-centered tax systems. People who use those countries to support liberal causes mistake the fact that the primary reason they have better economic outcomes in terms of education and health care is, go figure, because they don't have 34% obesity rates and a costly dysfunctional underpopulace of convicts and dolers.
thereinliestherib 10 months ago
@thereinliestherib So my brother, who lives there, is inaccurate? I based my statement on his real life, actually/factual experience. He is still a moron LOL This country is loaded with convicts unfortunately, even at corporate levels.
8MCDonalds8 10 months ago
@8MCDonalds8 Somewhat. Its just partisan BS when people use socioeconomic data from "socialist" countries to support their ideology or condemn their opponents'. The fact that overall tax rates are more equal than most care to admit, despite enormous difference of economic outcomes for education and health care, only shows that our problems have a LOT more to do with internal dysfunction than prior systemic factors. Regards
thereinliestherib 10 months ago
@thereinliestherib OMG our problems are ridiculous! Our system is not, and has not, worked too much in our favor in centuries. Well pretty much since taxes were implemented to support WWII. We are NOT getting proper representation of our tax dollars whatsoever and the constitution claims that to be, well-unconstitutional. REVOLT!! LOL
8MCDonalds8 10 months ago
@8MCDonalds8 One question: what have you done for the evil "system"? You cannot blame an abstraction of which you are a part. That's the biggest contradiction in US ideology, left or right: "It's always someone else's fault, even if you couldn't wrap a purse sein around my waist line." CIP, people blame the HC system, even though incredibly poor personal health stats have increased exponentially over the last three decades. Whose fault is that? The forks' fault??? I blame forks!!! LOL!
thereinliestherib 10 months ago
@thereinliestherib I know a good fork attorney ha! They have as much rights as animals to have representation. Good question though. No idea what I can do to get taxes on income removed other than blabbing about it on youtube. LOL So many people think it can't be done and the country won't prosper without them. I don''t agree and know that we were doin at least ok prior to their implementation. It was a time of big change and taxes are a primary reason. No they make politicians rich!
8MCDonalds8 10 months ago
@8MCDonalds8 No corporate person hood makes politicians rich. America is the only place I've heard of having this law. Corporate person hood always corporations to have rights like a person, and what do ya kknow? Donating money to a political party is considered to be a form of speech. All in all, it essentially makes bribery legal, this explains fox news, the CEOs of the biggest corporations in america and the republican party always all seem to be on the same side.
Rhys17 8 months ago
If God has 'blessed' the United States then why do people feel the need to have guns in their bedrooms? Why does it have an awful healthcare system where the poor are the most vulnerable? Why are guns even legal!? Why are there earthquakes and hurricanes? Why do a small proportion feel the need to bang on about religion? Don't mean to stereotype every American person but it's hard not to when there are so many ignorant idiots trawling the internet!
SunnyKid975 11 months ago
@SunnyKid975 How many people feel this "need". I have one cause I can. Not really "needed". I don't care where I lived. If I could have one I would. There are crazy people EVERYWHERE! Ignorance is so fucking bliss. Canada gave a baby no chance to live so they moved him (baby Joseph-google it losers!!) to America where he got the treatment he needed and then was returned to his shit country. You are quite stupid and ignorant as well. Nice way to make up stories about why people own a firearm.
8MCDonalds8 10 months ago
@8MCDonalds8 Canada gets a “C” and now ties the U.K. for 15th place out of 17 peer countries. Its infant mortality rate is shockingly high at 5 deaths per 1000 for a country at Canada’s level of socio-economic development. Unfortunately for your comment the US is rated "D" at 6.7 deaths per 1000.
davijeph 10 months ago
@davijeph Has nothing to do with owning a firearm. It also has nothing to do with life expectancy. Yes it is horribly high, amazingly high for a society as highly respected as the world thinks we are supposed to be. Not those that believe us to be the great satan. One very good reason for this is the psycho's on drugs. The amount of babies born addicted to anything, and prematurely as a result, is staggering. Thus, FREEDOM. Maybe we are too free? Still changes nothing regarding our amazing HC
8MCDonalds8 10 months ago
@8MCDonalds8 I assumed the video's message was about healthcare. The right of US's citizenry too own weapons is a commonly held view in the US. If you feel the need and have the right to do so OK by me. Gun deaths in the US are around 30.000 a year, in gun controlled UK if adjusted to US population figures around 600. If I lived in a place where "crazy people are EVERYWHERE" i would move out fast. I'm not so sure your HC is quite that amazing given its high cost and low rating. Regards
davijeph 10 months ago
@davijeph IUf you don't believe there are crazy people in every country/county/city/town/hovel/etc/etc/etc in the world you are severely ignorant. In fact, severely ignorant cannot describe the severity to which you are. You might be one of the crazy one's. There are thousands medicated for mental issues, or could be, EVERYWHERE!!!!! I know our healthcare is one of the most highly sought in the world. The "right" to own them is in writing, and it is viewable, so good job?? I have killed no one.
8MCDonalds8 10 months ago
Is it ridiculous for example that America is the only industrialized nation in the world that can't give its citizens access to healthcare, yet more money per person is spent on health care in the USA than in any other nation in the world.
CesarManiaX 1 year ago
@CesarManiaX As an example? No. If you are suggesting it to be true, you're nuts. I know from personal experience coverage is available to those who need it. Might not be able to make all the choices and implement your preferences but that care is there and we (tax payers) have been paying for it for years!
8MCDonalds8 10 months ago
@CesarManiaX The idea that America "can't give its citizens access to healthcare" is a serious misconception. No one will ever be denied if their is a threat to their life, loss of a limb or a sense like eyesight. What you can't get "free" care for is things like aspirin or birth control pills. But their are organizations that do give out free medical care to everyone. So I guess you can get these things for free. When people "can't" get healthcare is because they are too lazy to find it.
HumanNonPerson 8 months ago
@SonOfOuranos Australia usually ranks 5th / 6th in the studies I've seen. About 22% of its adult population has a BMI over 30. So you should only need to meet 5 Australians to meet a fat one. Of course, the rates of obesity in Aussies living abroad (where you might meet one) are likely different.
Canada, as a whole, is not terrible, but if you look at certain areas (especially Eastern Canada... mmmm... puntin) you get something similar to the U.S.
LeadBeIIy 1 year ago
Some Americans become offended when they find out that the US is not #1.They will lash out with irrelevant points of eating habits or illegal immigrants, instead of focusing on the facts of the treatments which this video is about. It is embarrassing to be an American when you are surrounded by stupidity.
realoldguy1969 1 year ago
@realoldguy1969 Initial point is true but then you start to go somewhere else with it. Are you trying to prove mortality rate? Life expectancy? If you are trying to claim U.S. does not have top life expectancy, last time I checked that was true-barely. But if you are trying to ignore the fact that we are the most obese country in the world, which is a choice in most cases, and trying to prove that has no legitimacy in the situation, you are just stupid.
8MCDonalds8 10 months ago
WOW you Euro's are fucking clueless. Comparing Japan to the U.S. for life expectancy really? Well bud I lived in Japan for 5 years and their diet and habits are shit. Over half of the population smoked like a chimney and their normal diet was fucking fried foods, KFC, an Mcdonalds. They have more salt, empty calories, and sugar in their diet then anyone I have ever met. Comparing Oregon to Flordia really dude LOL? Lets see the FLORDIA HAS A 100 TIMES MORE ILLEGAL ALIENS THEN OREGON.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
@Warpath2198 @Warpath2198 I believe you but this chart says that Japan is much higher than the U.S. LOL It's CIA dot gov life expectancy. U.S. is 50th down the list in their stats...out of over 200.
8MCDonalds8 10 months ago
Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
Allen West 2012
Angellicationify 1 year ago
This video is so unscientific it is crazy, comparing healthcare the way you do leaves so many variable gaps it is insane. You don't exactly use quality comparison. Comparing Europe to the USA is insane. America has better healthcare, it just has a worse lifestyle. How many people have health problems in the US compared to other countries? It doesn't matter how good the system is if you're smoking, drinking, eating like a pig, and sitting around all day. I'd have died in the Canadian system.
ALibertarianCitizen 1 year ago
@ALibertarianCitizen The difference is that nations with public healthcare have a strong budget incentive to prevent citizens from becoming sick in the first place, as it reduces costs to the national budget. They invest more money in preventative healthcare and education to reduce smoking and obesity.
It is ridiculous to spend so much more money on healthcare and not even get significant benefits out of the extra spend. It's bleeding the US to death.
beamla 1 year ago
@PatriciaCookFind1 i hope you're joking? the number of elderly doesn't affect a comparison that's done on a per person basis
rly2fly 1 year ago
Life expectancy? We Americans are fat slobs! This is psuedo-science. why do so many "scientists" have such an inability to understand the difference between causation and correlation? He additionally indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of the capabilities of government to determine "quality" of care. This is disingenous and/or woefully under-researched.
foolioay 1 year ago
@foolioay granted that life expectancy is a function of more than just patient care, the largest factor in life expectancy is still the quality of medical practice. did active hunter-gatherers with primitive technology have life expectancies comparable to those of people today?
rly2fly 1 year ago
@foolioay There is a lot of research around how us being fat slobs correlates. But Canada and Australia are nearly identical to us in obesity issues, yet their costs are still almost half of ours and their life expectancy is higher. In fact, their governments spends less on healthcare (pre-Obama), their % of GDP spending is less, and yet they are getting better service on many terms. It's a multi-factorial issue and this video does help put some of factors into perspective. Good video.
LeadBeIIy 1 year ago
@foolioay You can be philosophical about the government not being able to determine "quality" of care. But in the real world when so much of the US economy is being eaten up by healthcare costs something needs to be done about it. People should always be free to choose private sector care. But the system needs to be regulated on a Federal level. It is beyond stupid to have each state with different healthcare regulations and companies. It drives up costs and reduces competition.
beamla 1 year ago
@HackneyEquine What i'm saying is that there is a reason for not everyone having health insurance. It cost's too much money. Money is the whole problem with health care. This public option and all of these changes do nothing to fix the money problem. in fact, they make it all worse. I'm not saying that a lot of people shouldn't have health insurance, i'm saying that giving it to everyone hurts everyone in the long run.
towerguard6 1 year ago
@towerguard6 Scrap medicaid and medicare. You create a public healthcare option to co-exist with the private healthcare options. But if people earn over a certain amount of income that would allow them to afford private care, you charge them a surcharge tax if they don't buy private coverage. Those who can afford it will buy private care (and receive extra choice etc) and those who are too poor will still receive care. It would actually end up costing the US economy less than it spends now.
beamla 1 year ago
@HackneyEquine What you're saying is that instead of not paying for them, we should buy more food for them and go bankrupt. And the restaurant will have to buy more food for us, which will cost money, and it will eventually go bankrupt. But that's ok as long as they had food to last them for a few hours. Never mind that everyone eventually loses. Just keep them happy for a while while everything else goes down the drain.
towerguard6 1 year ago
@HackneyEquine What you're saying is that instead of not paying for them, we should buy more food for them and go bankrupt. And the restaurant will have to buy more food for us, which will cost money, and it will eventually go bankrupt. But that's ok as long as they had food to last them for a few hours. Never mind that everyone eventually loses. Just keep them happy for a while while everything else goes down the drain.
towerguard6 1 year ago
More health care for the poor costs money. That's the whole problem. As he stated, some doctors get paid for the equipment they use, but it ultimately costs the patient money. So because only the middle class and upper class can afford it, they get most of the treatment. Adding more people to the health care system is an even bigger problem because the costs go up even higher then what the guy said they do. Add poor people who can't pay for it, and the cost goes up and up and up.....
towerguard6 1 year ago
don't force me to pay for an obese, sedentary,smoker's diabetic's coronary bypass and foot amputation. That is his/her responsibility since they had a lifetime to get into their predicament. My money won't pull them back to good health; it will only increase quantity of life and does nothing for quality of life if they make some better (informed) choices.
1cont 1 year ago
America still has the best of the best healthcare. Just because our average is below doesn't mean we have bad healthcare.
rawwqq 2 years ago
That isn't the problem. America is in economic trouble... If you look at our government's entitlement spending data, it shows that soon our government will go bankrupt like Greece recently. Reforming this will at least save some time before that happens...
YuneShik 2 years ago
@YuneShik
Well then health care reform is not necessary right?
rawwqq 1 year ago
Not necessary? If you've watched this video including other videos interviewing doctors, historians, etc, our current(or past) healthcare is very wasteful. The only people who really had healthcare were those who were very ill. People who were going to die in just a week to a month spend over thousands of dollars just to stay alive and do unnecessary tests, even if they're sleeping most of the time.
YuneShik 1 year ago
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Netherland & Switzerland, 99% coverage and no public plan, but insurance companies are regulated like utility companies. Taiwan & Singapore have best medical care system in the world, 99% coverage, high quality, NO WAITING, and they are government run with less 5% GDP. Unreasonable premium, preexisting condition exclusion, changing drug formulary, deny treatment, medicare drug GAP for Senior are just plain wrong. Come on my fellow American, let us fix the healthcare for our children sakes!
noformstyle 2 years ago
Obama ought to link this video. Numbers don't lie.
nfera 2 years ago 4
I live in Canada and I can break my arm for free :D lol
scientolofag 2 years ago
It's true that the incentives in the U.S. for health care are perverse. But there is no free market in health care to blame. Look to the disconnect between patients and doctors. Doctors do business not with their patients but with insurance providers and government bureaucracy, both given special privileges under law. The end consumer is no longer sovereign. This crucial feedback control of a genuine free market is conspicuously absent. There should be no wonder that prices are out of control.
mariasman100 2 years ago
this is another scientific explanation like the one given on another fraud Man Made Global Warming. Pure bunk there is are many factors that Govern the high cost of health care like government intervention into the system. If the U.S. Government got out of health totally. They are not doctors except for Ron Paul he says the same thing. Why is it that people who actually understand health care are NEVER listened to? This bloke is off his crackers....
Hawkflieshigh 2 years ago
Did you know that in all the countries that he compared to the US (in terms of cost and life expectancy) healthcare is provided to the government in a single payer system?
You can understand the issues relating to healthcare as well if you study the facts. In fact he encourages you to take a look at the data itself and draw your own conclusions.
BobfromSydney 2 years ago
The companies neither pay or have a say, they are legislated to comply. "Maternity Leave" is federal law, and is part of the federal social safety net. It is funded through federal taxes. The gov. pays out 80% salary and the company does not have to pay anything, but some better employers do top it up. Also after 4 mths, the mother can go back to work if she chooses, and the father can stay home instead. All this and our taxes are only slightly higher. "socialism" sucks!
unwinsis 2 years ago
Wow yeah because lucky there aren't other factors that affect life expectancy.
For example, you are five times more likely to be murdered in America than Canada.
What needs to be looked at is survivability of medical conditions.
America has a higher cancer survival rate for example than nearly all other countries.
SadisticMonkey336 2 years ago
The cancer survivability may be attributed to other things - in 2002 the Incidence of Cancer at the national level for OCED nations averaged at 295 per 100,000 for males and 226 per 100,000 for females. The U.S. rates were 437 for males and 303 for females - which is much higher than the average for the rest of the OECD.
As for a different figure than LE the WHO ranked USA's healthcare 37th in the world in terms of quality of care.
BobfromSydney 2 years ago
thats because the majority can. But a large minority isn't so fortunate and I think you are really divorced from thsi reality, but yea ignore science and scientist what do they know?
lordblazer 2 years ago
you are retarded. the US is a melting pot of cultures, and social tensions prevent us from wanting to have UHC. japan and norway are so homogeneous in comparison, that they gladly want UHC. you overlook that fact. is there something wrong, yes. but is UHC the answer, not so much
JuicySquirrel 2 years ago
Singapore has UHC and so does HongKong. IT has nothing to do with them being homogeneous because those are both multi-cultural countries. (and yes HongKong by law has its own sovereignty and is under the protection of the PRC gov't. There are Hongkong passports, citizenship etc etc.)
lordblazer 2 years ago
yes, but do singapore and hong kong have 308 million people and counting....its the combination of the staggering population and the melting pot of cultures that will prevent this from happening in the US. even as of now Obama is starting to screw up to the point where even Democrats hate him
JuicySquirrel 2 years ago
Singapore and hongkong are more free market than AMerica is and that was the point of my argument. Also Singapore, and Hongkong is more multicultural than America is look it up or travel there you will see it for yourself. Nothing is wrong with universal healthcare. MY god HK and Singapore are places both known for its very mobile population and a huge haven for expats Your argument is weak because you think the US is unique. We have more people thus a bigger tax base we can afford it!
lordblazer 2 years ago
oo and I am for raising taxes on those that make more than 200,000 USD a yr, and I am for lifting the tax on expat citizens that live abroad because they're burdened to pay the taxes of the country they are resident in and taxes to the US(Which we are the only country to do this.. punishing those leaving the country doesn't show freedom).. BTW yea I am very liberal. Japan has UHC, Turkey has UHC, Germany is diverse it has UHC, France UHC UK UHC Canada UHC they got diverse populations!!!
lordblazer 2 years ago
i dont have a lot of time, so i will make this quick. Universal health care will suck. more people will die than what we already have.
xliver4 2 years ago
I don't have much time either, but you're wrong.
binaryspider 2 years ago 6
he said the life expectancies had a big diference... it had a big space on his graph but in reality its less than 5 years apart.
xCombatArmsHQx 2 years ago
'Only' 5 years!
bimblinghill 2 years ago
THIS VID MISDIRECTS AND MISINFORMS!!!
Your conclusion on the unnecessary cardiograms assumes that low spending areas are equally equipped. Not so! And use of tests is correlated to malpractice suits, not greedy doctors! Miami is high because of more lawsuits! That's resolved by tort reform, not turning on the medical system.
!!!!YOU DID NOT DO A FAIR JOB HERE!!!!
mallardhead 2 years ago
I think you are thoroughly misguided on the difference between personal freedom and the agents that work to and fro that, just like you are confused about the difference between a liberal and a libertarian. I'm so disappointed with the people of the so-called free world that should be nuanced and balanced, yet prove themselves to be the most black and white country on earth where most of you can't stand the fact that a centrist (both in terms of political views and race) is your leader.
shelterit 2 years ago
It naver had anything to do with race, he neither a centrist.....He is a socialist as in so far to the left he is worse than a democrat. He has all the media plugged to have outsiders think otherwise.
AND that is how I see it. If you are not in the USA seeing this well that is to bad! DON'T DRINK THE KOOL-AID!
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
Darling, you have *no* idea what a socialist is. You're an embarrassment to dictofony and discourse everywhere.
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USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
These are not liberals or democrats. THEY ARE SOCIALISTS -COMMUNISTS....They want the gov't to provide for them in every aspect. Healthcare now and then pay for my education, buy my house and it will never stop!
They are the enemy!
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
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Tort Reform was avoided because there is a large number of civil lawyers in the democratic party. That is why they avoided it.....HOWARD DEAN SAID THAT!
AND THEY CALL ME A HYPOCRYTE!
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
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GenjiKilpatrick 2 years ago
People are pathetic. You're getting free healthcare and you're complaining? What the hell is wrong with you, honestly? It's not like private hospitals will suddenly become free as well, you may as well go to them if you want premium services. Sure it'll raise taxes some but this selfish mentality is what keeps this type of US resident close-minded.
But then again I'm European and have socialist democratic viewpoints so obviously I'll be ignored.
Zantetsudex 2 years ago 11
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Because the government can not be trusted. They will want to control every aspect of our lives. They will infringe on our rights. H.C. is an invasion of privacy. We are running huge debts from wars, spending and bailouts.
Give me an example of research or cures that came out of state run hospitals. We have a system that works. It is not perfect, but it works.
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
First, if we have a public system the health care costs might be reduced so maybe the rise in taxes will be negligible. And how is it an invasion of privacy and infringe on your rights? You have a right to choose. It is a public OPTION.
Second, there are plenty of State Universities where plenty of research and cures are created. Just because it is government doesn't make it bad.
Erl0Ingst 2 years ago 4
We have been open minded...Millions of Europeans have immigrated to the U.S.A. not for an expectancy of free healthcare. But an expectancy of being free with individual liberties. Fruits of labor.
Why do you call us selfish? We accepted those into our society and today many whom are here are on welfare(food and shelter), signed their kids on state healthcare (free) and enrolled their kids in school at taxpayers expense,
Do not fall to the media lies. We are generous.
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
Who are you talking too?
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
Zantetsudex: YOU SAID IT! But then again I'm European and have socialist democratic viewpoints so obviously I'll be ignored.
SOCIALIST DEMOCRATIC VIEW. You should face a firing squad!
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
Good thing in a socialist democracy you aren't going to face a firing squad unless 51% of the population decide it is in the benefit of everyone.
Erl0Ingst 2 years ago
In Obamas dream!
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
Erl0ngst: I think your sarcasm may have passed that chap by ;-)
Seriously, the username kind of says it all.
bimblinghill 2 years ago
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I am not gonna waste my time on you liberal british assholes. You got your own problems to fix.
Leave America to us Americans!
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
Perhaps you Americans could start by not spouting lies about our healthcare system.
bimblinghill 2 years ago 2
I'm an American, and I hate people who say they are patriots when they are clearly only trying to profit off other peoples misery. A patriot does something for the best of their own country and countrymen. You are no patriot, you are blinded by your political party and your own ignorance. A patriot would want their fellow American to have healthcare.
Erl0Ingst 2 years ago 2
i want e'1 to have healthcare. A real patriot keeps his guard up and his government at a distance. I am willing to die for my constitutional rights and not live under an oppressive gov;t . As I have been sworn to defend, serve and protect as a soldier and as a police officer.
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
do you actually believe that ?
kbdkbd99 2 years ago
Kbdkbd99, do I actually believe what?
Costs would be lower? Personally, I don't care. I'm not money hungry and if I have to pay a little more so people aren't dying, so be it.
Do I believe it isn't invasion of your privacy? What privacy? We live in a world were if you wanted you could find out anything.
Do I think the government isn't bad? A government 'by the people, for the people'. I hope, truly, that it isn't bad. If it is we are all screwed and we are the ones who screwed ourselves.
Erl0Ingst 2 years ago 3
@Zantetsudex I'm European too and honestly it was a dream for me to move to the US and avoid this socialist mandatory healthcare we have in Europe. You must pay the double to receive low quality services and then when you really need something you have to pay again and again.
Sorry, nothing is free and when the money goes thru the government 70% is lost!
No way. Socialism in Europe is not working and Europe is not working.
US, avoid the same error!!!
zataflex 1 year ago
@zataflex Its rare to find Europeans with common sense. This guy's video is a bunch of shit as I just explained above. He knows nothing of American diets across the nation, demographics, and where illegal Aliens live. I even lived in Japan and their diet and habits is just shit. There are many more Americans that have WAY better habits then Japanese.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
@Zantetsudex 22 years old and you have barely lived, own nothing, and you do not realize western Europe is drowning in debt because of your silly views. Poor people already have free healthcare as well as illegal aliens. We have hospitals that are delivering babies for mostly illegal aliens. Why are Americans paying taxes for illegal immigrants?
Warpath2198 1 year ago
Not to mention Flordia not only has a shit ton more illegal Aliens then Oregon they also have 18 mil residents vs. Oregons 3.8 mil residents. Typical uneducated Euro's trying to explain things about nations they know zero about.
Warpath2198 1 year ago
Also why are you showing the south with some of the highest heart attack rates? lol. What are you stupid? Everyone in this country knows southerners have the highest obesity rates because they have THE WORST DIET. Fried breaded foods with high sugar intake will do that to you. This guy is either an idiot or has an agenda
Warpath2198 1 year ago
Great video. Good to see some actual data being used to make a point rather than just rhetoric.
anotherlookmedia 2 years ago 2
The lies and shameful hate spewing of the GOP in America has once again prevented us from moving foward into the 21st century.
squeege421 2 years ago 5
Me?
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
Very insightful video. I baffles me how when people see that science deviates from their personal views, they completely dismiss it. What ultimate truth have these people figured out that the rest of us haven't? The people who know the least, seem to know it with the most confidence!
shtosuka 2 years ago 3
Yes it is sad about how much we spend.
But whom we have in charge in washington and place the care in gov't hands is not the answer.
We are in debt, I worry of Orwellian technology such as an RFID implant, the government will tax us from conception to death, they will infringe on our rights. Look at england, canada and australlia they have no weapons. This government will become totalitarian.
I see this as more propaganda!
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
The Health-Care debate is unrelated to gun reform. Unlike legislation like the Patriot Act, this proposal has little relevance outside of its field; thus the "slippery slope" argument is not just inappropriate but is paranoid.
You disregard verifiable fact in favor of gut feelings and personal attacks. You enter debate with a predesposed agenda, and ignore anything that can discredit your platform. I'll spin on a dime if you can show me reputable verifiable evidence to back your claims.
Tsanuri 2 years ago 3
But it does....This what happens when you let the government make descions for you. They made themselves stronger and the citizen weaker. That was my point.
1) They will tax us. Not hard to verify. We pay taxes every day on nearly every item
2) Technology: RFID chip implant
will be required-track, monitored, taxed. 666
3) Death care check list found at the VA
4) Look up the word totalitarian and you will see that the definition fits BHO and his administration to a tee.
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
1) but paying less for healthcare
2) A bit paranoid? If the government wanted you tracked they wouldn't need a RFID chip
3) End of life panels are for people who CHOOSE to seek counselling, not mandatory
4) I would rather live in a totalitarian society with free healthcare and less war, than a dictatorship where people are tortured for no reason and we are in a war for oil
Erl0Ingst 2 years ago
Healthcare is not free and you will pay an additional tax. I am not for war either.
They are tracking you with the phone now they want to implant you for all transactions for information and to tax you on your diet and your carbon imprint. The money is to go too the world bank.
You would be enslaved under a totalitarian society. YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE A SLAVE? You would be inilated when you are no more use to society. (deathpanels)
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
Help me! I'm being inilated... aargh...
bimblinghill 2 years ago
USAPatriot1966, You are one paranoid man (or woman). Then again, I'm not obsessed with making money, so some taxes never hurt anyone. I like my roads, schools, health, and safety. As long as it isn't going to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
I'm skinny, I don't have a SUV, and I don't have long discussions about bombing people over the phone. They can listen all they want.
Oh, and we live in a CAPITALISM, not totalitarian. Money controls all, not the people being paid to be puppets.
Erl0Ingst 2 years ago 2
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When they tax you for the food you eat as they contain certain ingrediants, calories, sugars, if you smoke, the air you breath, if you (or wife) pregnant. OH YEAH THEY are allready doing it...It will be worse when this H.C. passes.
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
I would like to see YOUR statistical and documented proof to back up the claims that they are taxing our calories, sugars, air, pregnant women. I would also like to see your proof they will be worse with a new HC option. I see newscientistvideo's proof, where is yours?
Erl0Ingst 2 years ago 3
look up RFID chip and its use....It is a theory. Technology!
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
And there are devices that remove RFID tags. Just because they can, doesn't mean they are watching you. Besides, what are you doing that is worth watching?
The only people who should have fear of being watched are people doing something wrong and people in a position to steal power from the power hungry. If your trying to steal power, you are already being watched without RFID.
So, which category are you? Do you really care if the government knows you buy cornflakes?
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USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
that comment is great...LOL
jessicapeanut 2 years ago
Well put shtosuka.
squeege421 2 years ago
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Why the hell do foreigners gotta talk about our healthcare. HEY DUMBASS! It is not about care. This is another tax and about gov't control.
The gov't does not give a crap about us! Do not give up your liberties in place of some promised security.
We got a fascist, homo-sexual muslim in the Whitehouse. This is a hoodwink for socialism!
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
You really think the president of the united states of America is homosexual and muslim- what evidence do you have of this
gcastil 2 years ago 2
I have to reply and point out your bullshit. The reason British people are replying to this is because they actually live in a society where they have the health care Democrats are aiming for. You rush in with blind conviction, they have first-hand experience. It's like trying to one-up Stephen Hawking at astrophysics because you read one article. Fascism is the antithesis of Socialism, how would a "Fascist" leader lead us to Socialism when they are complete opposites?
MassiveLemon 2 years ago
MassiveLenin is what your name should be!
I am not blind. Look at all my comments. I am tired of arguing with you people. Healthcare Reform is a farce. Do not trust the government with this much power. You will regret it!
Bill K
US Army retired
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
So by your logic, your name should be FalsePatriot?
MassiveLemon 2 years ago
I guess I am better off ignorring extreme left whacko's like you.
No matter what I say or the credentials I have or gov't jobs I withheld nothing will change your mind. Go get your vaccine, your id card then your chip inplant, allow the gov't to take over 60 percent of your take home pay, let them into your home and allow them to know every detail about you and allow that you can be on secret lists. BE A GOOD CITIZEN! Enjoy your life!
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
Patriot? And somehow Patriot? You want us to believe you are a patriot by spreading rumors and lies that support the insurance industry, there by leaving 46 million of your fellow patriot uninsured. Nobodyt is going to take 60% of your pay. Your the one that supports laws banning forms of sex, and removing people like Howard Stern off T.V. Get out my house and my life! You are a hypocrit and a moron!
MajikMyst1 2 years ago 4
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46 million? Where did that number come from?
Moer gov't control, Yes they are the answer to everythng! Ban what forms of sex and who is talking aboout Stern?
You have so much hate, your blabbing!
I will stay out of your life when you stay out of mine and not force HC something I do not want or care about!
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
For a subject you don't care about you sure do seem passionate and angry about it.
underpantssquirrel 2 years ago
I am against gov't intervention, another tax, gov't control. It appears I am not very well liked.
I am under the VA healthcare. This H.C. just sucks!
PS: Obama lied!
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paganpup 2 years ago
The easiest way to control the cost of the healthcare in US is to allow doctors in countries that have better healthcare to practice medicine in US. Too bad AMA will not allow this.
igorkrupitsky 2 years ago 3
This doesn't prove that there doesn't need to be a national or atleast funding to state run options. similar to the massachusetts one.
TheEvilOyo 2 years ago
@driubi
Couldn't of said it better myself.. It's trial and error, you have to learn from the mistakes of history and move forward but most important, never forget the mistakes and lessons learned from the past.
MRSketch09 2 years ago
I wish everyone would quit hatin on america Mates. Its no better than them thinkin all ausies live on permanent walkabout. Let's hate the real drivers o the planet who only allow certain aspects of life to us all. Until that hsppens, there won't be universal "ANYTHING" .Just an idea, don't hate me please.
nirbmtrREEEPR 2 years ago
You're exactly right nirmtrREEEPR. The general population really have very little power over things. Its the people with power (MONEY) that decide what is best for millions of others.
squeege421 2 years ago 2
nirmtrREEEPR: We don't hate Americans, in fact some of us are concerned for the Americans without healthcare. Personally, I hate the right-wing corporate shills who are trying their best to keep the population down.
bimblinghill 2 years ago
Sentenced to death on the NHS- headline on telegrapph out of UK
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
Details, and a link if you have one, please.
bimblinghill 2 years ago
Life expectancy is a measure of more than the quality of your healthcare system. For example, Americans eat lots of hamburgers, drive cars into walls, and shoot each other. If you remove those from consideration for all countries, the US actually has the highest life expectancies.
atican 2 years ago
*expectancy
atican 2 years ago
Good to see some hard facts and scientific analysis, instead of the political hysteria I can hear all the way down here in Australia. Nice work.
wombiroller 2 years ago 3
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I canceled my subscription to this NewScientist channel after this crap.
ciphernemo 2 years ago
Interesting video, but many blatant gaps of information and assumptions here. First of all, life expectancy and death rate after a heart attack is not a good solo indicator of health care. There are so many more important factors to consider. If this entire video is based on just 1 or 2 guessed results for measuring health care quality, then this already fails.
Sorry, but this is over-simplification and therefore has no "scientific" backing at all. Why is this even on "NewScientist" channel?!?
ciphernemo 2 years ago
"life expectancy and death rate after a heart attack is not a good solo indicator of health care"
Yes, they are. Face it: the majority of U.S. citizens do not have access to quality health care. This is a concern to those who actually respect medical sciences as tools to help people.
You see no scientific backing in statistics?
VampireSaviorX 2 years ago
"Yes, they are. Face it: the majority of U.S. citizens do not have access to quality health care. This is a concern to those who actually respect medical sciences as tools to help people."
No, they are not. What about all of the other preventable diseases out there? Are you that shallow that you think only two factors are signs to measure health care? Gees, expand your mind a bit and wake up.
ciphernemo 2 years ago
Those are an accurate measure of the effectiveness of the U.S. healthcare system compared to other developed countries whether you like it or not.
It is statistically significant no matter what you say. There is nothing you can say to spin these facts. Face it. It's how it is; you just need to have more humility.
Do you want more? The U.S. is ranked 41st in preventing maternal deaths out of all developed countries. Did you read how much the U.S. spends?
VampireSaviorX 2 years ago 4
VampireSaviorX, replying to you is like trying to have a conversation with a broken record. *the world passes you by*
ciphernemo 2 years ago
Thank you for admitting defeat. Will you have humility now?
VampireSaviorX 2 years ago
LOL, go personal attack someone who cares.
ciphernemo 2 years ago
That wasn't a personal attack. Don't bend my statement. Answer my question or stay quiet.
VampireSaviorX 2 years ago
@driubi
See you have plenty of time. o.-
Anyways, I do understand your concern. And I really can't comment on the long term effects of any drugs or what not. I can only assume that the 'evil pharmaceutical' company you mention would get "greedy" or stupid.. and start issuing out drugs that caused side effects not intended on the short term.
MRSketch09 2 years ago
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In which people would stop going to them and they would lose money, and there names not forgotten. And these evil men would be hunted down, put in prison or killed.
People would have learned a valuable lesson, and grown as a whole. And would be more leery of the next company that said they offered a drug that cured all.
MRSketch09 2 years ago
@Driubi
Well, that's what Doctors are there for... They have studied for a long time, they should know these things. When you go in ask some questions.
I always ask people when they go to the doctor, "So what did he say?" and the response I get, is I don't know. I am like "Did you ask him anything" there like "No"
MRSketch09 2 years ago
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I don't think regulations have anything to do with anything. I think its more the individuals, lacking some basic sense when it comes to asking questions and making decisions. You have to ask questions of professionals to learn..
And even if regulations did not exist I think something similar to that company with the symbol (UL) (It'll be there on the back of your keyboard) would come along for public health care.
MRSketch09 2 years ago
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Have you ever seen that Lawyer site? that gives lawyers ratings and reviews? That came about for a reason. Like I said the internet really is a great tool.
MRSketch09 2 years ago
You have a shortage with a small population.... yet we're gonna adequately cover our population. I know countries like Canada love to think of the world as this Utopian place... but it doesn;t work that way... the vast majority of Americans believe in individual responsibility... We work for what we get... we don't expect to get a handout from everyone else.
nidal38 2 years ago
Watch how fast Faux News starts crapping on it.
th3w01fv2 2 years ago
"We need to start with an international comparison".... from the WHO?? How about you start with an evaluation of how they compute their statistics and what is counted against the US as far as life expectancy goes. Lets talk about how when I want health care... I get what I went, whenever I want and you get to wait in line. I'd like to hear the non US citizens to just shut their mouths about something that doesn't concern them in any way. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS.
nidal38 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but after decades of the USA sticking it's nose in world affairs, I hope you don't mind if we return the favor and remember, we are doing this to help you, perhaps more than what your government has done to help the world at large.
th3w01fv2 2 years ago
So you had time to say my suggestion is basically not a good suggestion, but not time to go review a product that you bought off amazon com, or talk about a business you shopped at today on your blog?
MRSketch09 2 years ago