Am I right to asume you hate Skyrim also, your reasonsare very true especailly the repetetive characters and the very little memorable characters. I find I remember a lot of Fallout characters personally where as Skyrim I only remember the name of the 2 main Dragons.
**Nod nod** Very valid points, sir. I was particularly displeased with Oblivion and Fallout 3 for these reasons. I will say, however, that I disagree on the topic of Morrowind, I find that game very easy to get lost in. It's one of my personal favorites.
That said, this was a very well thought-out "rant" (maybe that's ironic, but I like irony, too), and I enjoyed listening to it. Also, you name-dropped Thief, which is my personal favorite series of all time. Thumbs-up to you, friend!
@RedneckYachtClubber Currently that is unknown. However, think about this fact - the original trailers for BioShock: Infinite DID have Stephen Russell (Garrett) voicing the main character. Later, they changed to a different voice actor, meaning Stephen may not have had the time to voice the character... meaning he might be doing something else. *cough* Thief 4 *cough*
I think fallout would benifit more if its conversation system was more like Mass effects, to which your character actually vocally responds to what he/she replies with, rather then you change what the other person says so suddenly with a random phrase.
Bethesda really lacks with facial expressions. Most characters just have:
Happy / Sad / Angry. Preset on them. They barley change if at all when speaking and your character her/himself never changes their mood EVER even when hit by bullets/Swords.
They need better programmers. Their melee combat system is still trash, running is slow as shit, choppy animations, (main character also has NO facial expression diversity) and too much recycled content (fallout series)
The Ai also suffers, they walk into walls or run away into dead ends.
People are delusional when it comes to Bethesda games. Bethesda has never made a polished game in their lives. They release unfinished products more or less because they can. They will subsequently break their games once or twice with patches, lol. Anyway, I support Bethesda, I want them to make the best games they can. It's just that everyone makes the "open world jank" excuse for them. BUT IT'S TOO MUCH JANK!
Oh, and they claim they've created a new engine when it's still Gamebryo. Gross.
@PurpleHoneyBear And then inevitably you get lambasted by the fanboys because they've got issues with social retardation and cannot process contrary views.
I have Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines, but dealing with the issues has been horrifying. It is a crime that Activision didn't let Troika finish that game. But wow, the atmosphere is just amazing. I can't wait to really get into the game.
@PurpleHoneyBearIt seems Bethesda's strategy is to just shovel out the unfinished products and wait for the consumers to complain about the various issues, upon which they will will take their sweet ass time working out some sort of bullshit patch that usually makes it worse. This is the final process of any products creation BEFORE it's been released...not AFTER. Just another example of how a corporation can take advantage of consumers, cut corners, and make US pay for it.
@PurpleHoneyBear They are great story tellers and their side quests all feel as part of one bigger story where as other games *cough* Fable *cough* the side quests are just mediocre search and retrieve garbage... its just bethesda to me is just infamous for the absurd number of animation glitches, frame hiccups, item glitches etc...its horrible. I hate wasting 40 hours into a good game just to be forced to start the fuck over because of a corupt save or constant freezing issue.
@hotwhire Amen. I feel the same way. The setting, the lore, all of this is in place. I do think that story presentation is something that they should work on, but I will say that Skyrim does make some strides in this area.
Oh, MAN! I did NOT expect you to bring up Gothic 2. It's my all-time favorite game, without a doubt. That game had some issues, for example the combat was extremely hard when facing multiple opponents... but even so, the atmosphere and story of it is just amazing.
Did you ever do a LP of Gothic 2? If not, then... what the hell, dude? Get on it, play with the Night of the Raven expansion! Want donations? I'll give you my liver if you do that! (and I'll give the Steam-version of Gothic 2 Gold)
@FrozenFoxy There's like a million games recently released, there's a lot to sink one's teeth into so it's I fully understand that it would take time. Gothic 1 hasn't aged well, and Gothic 3 has a lot of bugs, even with the unofficial patch. And "Gothic" 4 isn't even Gothic. It's just... Arcania. :P
I would certainly enjoy it (as would many others, I'm sure) IF you were to make an LP of Gothic 2 specifically (with the NotR-expansion) someday, IF you found the time. :)
@FrozenFoxy Hm, you have no intention of doing ANY of the recently released games after you're done with Dead Island? Got plans for other games laid out already?
@depressedturtle No thanks. I've actually heard even fans were giving it bad reviews. Why would someone who already doesn't like Bethesda want to play something that even the fans of Bethesda don't like?
@FrozenFoxy Well its your choice, but the game hasn't even been released yet, and the only people that have played it are hackers, so I wouldn't necessarily write it off as bad yet.
@Ragitsu Well, when Bethesda made Morrowind, they were still good and not lazy developers who cut as many features as possible and level scale everything because they can't be bothered to place enemies and artifacts by hand. :P
it's probably just a choice of preference really, for me Fallout 3 is really good with a wonderful story and I see no problem with its voice actors. If you want really bad voice acting - Deus Ex. And it's still a very good game. I wouldn't forget Fallout 3 really.
however I agree about Oblivion having very boring missions and environment.
you say how good are sneaking i thief sneaking mechanics - try splinter cell series, very good games if you ask me.
I don't know what you mean about Fallout 3, it's really very story line driven. Compared with how many extra side quests I have found in other games Fallout 3 mostly has only a main quest line.
however I agree about Oblivion having very boring missions and environment.
you say how good are sneaking i thief sneaking mechanics - try splinter cell series, very good games if you ask me.
I don't know what you mean about Fallout 3, it's really very story line driven. Compared with how many extra side quests I have found in other games Fallout 3 mostly has only a main quest line.
well I own Fallout 3 and Oblivion and none of them are bugged. Also on the PC there are console cheats to get yourself unstuck. Try The Sims 3 if you want a REALLY screwed up game :D
Also they do not have an infinite amount of voice actors. I tend to recognize the same voice actors in many games.
The same engine is not a bad thing. Both Mass Effect 1 and 2 use exactly the same engine.
spells are really overpowered in Oblivion really. Invisibility - way too overpowered.
I started with Fallout 3 after so many were so hyped about the game. I was totally confused and didn't know what to do. Still in the vault I had a hard time in combat and felt kind of lost as I did not know what to do. I don't like the dialogue system in Fallout 3, it is so rigid. I think I quit about 5 hours in and just getting out of the vault.
You would remember a low int. Build, it makes the game very hard, but also very funny at times. It makes your character functionally retarded. if you ever go back to them for a l.p, a low int run could be a great bonus feature.
Well I hope they fix the bugs in Skyrim being that it has a new engine and some new developers on the team and I agree with the guy under me but I'm a pc gamer so I'm very biased and there is way more voice actors on Skyrim too so hopefully it will sound better when talking to people and such.
Foxy Whats your opinion that Skyrim uses the perk system from the fallou series because I think that just destroys what separates the elder scrolls series from the other rpgs i mean I loved morrowind I loved the backstory's and everything but with oblivion it just seemed like a medevil fair and i think the perk system will make it so its a carbon copy of the new fallout games
@TheDRDAlliance Well, if you've watched the video above, I haven't been following Skyrim even a little bit. I don't care about it at all. As for the perk system, that's been around since Fallout 1, so I wouldn't glorify Fallout 3 "the new Fallout era" as having invented it anyway.
@TheDRDAlliance I honestly wouldn't call it vastly different. In fact, I'd call it a copy of both Fallout and Oblivion. It's basically that "what if these two had a kid" kind of thing. Nothing in Fallout 3 is new, to be honest. Heck, even the bugs aren't new.
I think you might like Fallout New Vegas, it looks like Fallout 3 but it plays a whole lot different... not surprising as it comes from a different developer. That being said i agree with almost everything you said about Bethesda games. I liked (not loved) Morrowind and really disliked Oblivion and I actually felt insulted by the game and that ridiculous "Radiant AI" and how proud Bethesda seemed to be of it although Gothic has done it way before Oblivion and much better at that.
you make a fair point oblivion gates can be tedious but they are optional , but most people are willing to overlook the small flaws of bethesda because the game usually is really good,
I tend not to be bothered by most of these games stories do to the fact that I don't expect them to be mind blowing or anything. It's similar to Mario, no one plays a Mario game expecting a great story. They play it to have fun, kill some time, etc. Same with Oblivion and the other Bethesda games. When I go in with my character, I don't expect every single person to be their own interesting character. I just go in to have fun.
@Kisame890 In a game where they are all supposed to be interesting characters because it's meant to be 90% story... I kind of do expect it. You can't really compare it to Mario.
Also, those 2 games are not the only ones Bethesda made. Morrowind is one of the most epic games that has ever been made. And though Oblivion is a step back in many aspects (depth of the storyline, enchantment system, number of skills and weapons etc) there still are many good things in it. Yes it could have been done better but it is still a great game. And Fallout 3 is even better. There are better games out there but also a lot worse and I think "hating all bethesda games" is an overreaction.
while I agree with several points (Oblivion being horribly bugged for once) a lot of things you talk about are a direct result of your own playstyle. For instance, you don't have to walk into each oblivion gate, to complete the game you only have to enter three gates, and those three oblivion worlds are unique. Also, it is great that there is so much to explore in Fallout 3 - if you choose to do that rather than follow the main quest, then please do not blame the developers, it's ridiculous...
Hate and despise are some strong words. But you are a strong man, with a huge dick. I agree, I can only play Oblivion, F3, Morrowind even, for two days at most before being bored of what I can only describe as a stale level of pacing due to overwhelming lack of depth in the world. I'm hoping Bethesda picks up their character development for Skyrim, from VA to story-involvement, making characters more interesting than a quest-icon :D
Well, it's your opinion, and you're free to it. O_o There are bugs, but I think the games are good enough to redeem themselves. Hell, Fallout 3 is my 3rd favorite game.
@FrozenFoxy I know that's your opinion, but you're talking about these games like they're terrible, yes I know they have flaws, but they're still brilliant games that are a helluva lot of fun to play. And hollow is an atrocious word to describe these games, hollow means empty inside and The Elder Scrolls and Fallout are far from hollow, yeah sure the voice acting is hollow, but describing the entire games as hollow is just wrong.
@LaV0lpe When you've grown up with extravagant games like I have - adventure games with amazing stories and characters - you have very high standards for characters in games. None of them feel fleshed out properly save a few. I've played games with far more characters in them that all felt like people that could be real and have lives. Those in these games feel like they just wait around to fulfill quest purposes. They are empty and lifeless.
I remember in Fallout New Vegas I was doing a quest I had to guard a building for a few hours and I sat there and, days went by and no one came and told me I was done guarding.
As soon as Smiling Jack mentioned the cross and the 8:15 from sacramento, i knew i would love Vampire Bloodlines. Not only did that crack me up to no end, but he put so much character behind the explanation that i felt the immersion that i would have throughout the rest of the game, right there.
Just the fact that years after playing VTMB i can still remember a detail as small as which train he mentioned, shows how memorable that game is.
I can give you the benefit of the doubt as far as the games you related to because I am not a PC gamer at all (literally the most high tech game I've ever played on my computer is minecraft or the Aveyond series') so I really can't relate to what games you mentioned in this video, but people have there opinions and i have said mine and you have said yours, and thus i end this rant that i totally should've put into a video, not in the comments.
@djk77777777 So, first of all, the storyline you mentioned for Oblivion... sounds like a collection quest. That actually made me think less of the game rather than more. Sorry. Second, after increasing all my skills to 100 and barely doing anything with the main quest (i.e. going to the first town necessary) Oblivion gates were so common it was ridiculous (I could have taken a screenshot with 7 in it easily). My character was a High Elf, I don't like Orcs. Anyway, it just wasn't good for me.
now be entered, you kill semi-evil dude, you come back, everything is fiWRONG!!!, super evil dude is now summoned, you save last heir in an epic chase through the palace, and he sacrifices himself to save the world, but now there is no heir to the throne and now any evil creatures trying to enter the realm can now do so, thus sending the entire empire into a helpless downfall.
but if you play the whole main quest all the way through, and pay close attention, the storyline is incredibly deep and distressing. summary of it: The king's heirs have been murdered, king tells you there is one left, find him, king gets assassinated, you find last heir, last heir's needed relic gets stolen, you get it back, last heir needs 4 items, you retrieve them while finding out about a lot of history and risking your life along the way, semi-evil dude's realm can (cont. next comment)
There's a lot wrong with Bethesda I think. They are particularly heinous offenders when it comes to the "open world jank". It's like they ship their games a year before they should.
You don't have to attribute New Vegas to Bethesda. It was made by Obsidian. And that was a total disaster where they had to patch the patch and then patch it some more.
the main storyline, you have other things just as amazing in the game to do and you never get bored with it, do the main storyline in your let's play and then see how the other side stories match up to it, i'm sure you'll say that yes they are still great, but the main storyline was worked on more so than the others. The reason the game doesn't push you to do the main storyline is because bethesda wanted to make its games kind of like sandbox play where you could do (cont. next comment)
that will help you or maybe even just reward you for searching around like that or for doing small tasks, they don't want to have to dedicate every single fiber of the game to a tedious storyline especially with games that large.
5th thing i heard was about the storyline getting lost.
If you actually took the time to do the main storyline, you would find that it's an amazing story, but that's also why they add all of the other content, so after you get done with (cont. next comment)
the main story line quite a bit before you actually have them start popping up. The reason your spells probably don't do much is because you either aren't skilled in magic enough or aren't using a race that does well with magic aka orcs.
4th thing i heard was about everything you do you want to be storyline based.
One of the reasons bethesda doesn't always do this is because they occasionally just try to add a place where you could get a nice gun/blade or something (cont. next comment)
walking around for an extremely long time, autosaves usually aren't that far back, and any good rpg'er knows to save often and in different files anyway.
3rd thing you talked about was about the tediousness of oblivion gates
Yes the oblivion gates are tedious, but that's why bethesda made them almost all completely optional, you only have to do 3 throughout the whole game if you wanted to. the oblivion portals also don't just pop up after levels, you have to advance (cont. next comment)
that because there is just so many different people you can't get that many different voices for everybody, and think about how many different lines people would have to have throughout the course of a day.
2nd thing i heard was a few things about glitches
As for me, I have never ever run into the npc falling through floor glitch, so that's new for me to hear, running into objects and getting stuck is something i don't find very annoying because unless you've just been (cont. next comment)
Ok, first off, i'm writing this as i hear things you say in the video, so if the things i write are corrected later in the video, just disregard them.
1st thing i heard you talk about was with the voice volumes and things like that, when you think of games like oblivion and fallout, think about the size, i'm not sure about fallout 3, but in oblivion there are something around the figure of 1200 NPC's in that game, so the voices will repeat, but you can't fault them for (cont. next comment)
fixed major issues heads off. eventually the company went bankrupt, so official patches weren't made for Vista and 7, so the community had to step in, nonetheless an awesome game. Now a company like Bethesda, who earns god knows how many millions, won't even move a finger to fix any major bugs. I enjoyed playing both TES & F3 the first and second time, but now the game cartridges are just catching dust on my shelf. Just the whole preparing with mods is way too tedious for me to bother...
the golden star to Blizzard. They actually take the time to develop something to near perfection (and i'm not talking of WoW, I'm not fond of MMOs). The atmosphere and story of games like Diablo, Starcraft and the Warcraft strategy games provide such an atmosphere.
Coming back on topic, people criticize VtM Bloodlines for being buggy as well, please make better research, the game came out for the XP and 2000 version of windows. Granted it was buggy already, but their basic patching (continues)
@macnahamic Please do better research? Heh, I own the original CDs for VtMB. I know how buggy it is, but the aesthetics of the game made the bugs bearable. TES and Fallout 3 feel like hollow games with little value to feel rewarding enough to suffer through. Also, VtMB was NOT fixed by the official patches, it was still broken. The reason that it was buggy was because Troika was FORCED by Activision to release it buggy causing Troika to later go bankrupt. I don't blame Troika for the issues.
@FrozenFoxy the research demand wasn't aimed at you directly. I agree to where the official patches didn't fix important issues. you couldn't even finish the ending, but in the end, after patching that game to a point where you could play it, I felt so much satisfaction playing it till the end that i played it though with every clan. Whilst F3 and Oblivion. Fun the first playthrough, frustrating the second playthrough and yeah... it then ended on my shelf. Your LP tickled me to play it again...
@macnahamic Fallout 3 isn't an awful game... it's just not even close to good enough to be "Game of the Year" - there were so many other good things during that year it's a joke. I've also technically done a VtMB LP as well as started a second with a new clan.
I can only agree with you on every point. I just do not understand how they can release a game filled with so many bugs and glitches... when i played oblivion without any open source mods and bug fixes, I felt like i was playing a pre-beta demo. They make a bigger hype out of their games to get the sales going, instead of presenting something as bugfree as possible. They don't even patch anything, the playerbase is supposed to provide all of that.
Thanks for the rant. I actually liked hearing your opinions - with Bethesda I guess I've just come to accept the buggy, less immersive nature (sp?). Bloodlines is still one of my favorite games, even now I play it a couple times a year for old times sake. I haven't played Gothic or Full Throttle, but I might look into them now.
and over 199 quest to do this is including DLC. I do agree on the voice acting to a degree i feel that they over use some voices but like your example of vampire the masquerade bloodlines you are not able to talk to every single person to where as you can talk to every single person in oblivion as long as they are not your enemy. I am glad that you tell us this is in fact your opinion and i just wanted to state my opinion i mean no foul from this, i just wished to state two point of view's.
I have to strongly disagree with you on how the Elder scrolls is not memorable. You where talking about how in Oblivion you feel like the story is just in the background. I have never felt like this i would guess it maybe depend on how some people approach it like my self i not only do and enjoy the main quest i talk and look around for other quest to do in the current town I'm in. Also you said end game its mostly oblivion gates where i feel its not there are over 400 places to go in oblivion
also fallout N.V. is in my opinion is the better of fallout 3 but there is glitchs and bugs but i think they have more voise actors then fallout 3 but you will still find the same voice actors but at least they put effort into the accent
Kinda agree on the whole Bethesda thing, although Morrowind, vanilla even, drew me in like a moth to the flame. That's why Oblivion was such a big letdown to me, and to a lesser degree Fallout 3. Oblivion was just a copypasta world, full of samey old stuff you see everwhere in that game and Fallout 3 didn't had that Fallout feel in it. It was just a 3d shooter/adventure game with some nods to the older games in the series, not bad but not particulary good either.
@slask25 Now that's an amazing game. For it's time, Morrowind was one of the greatest RPGs. Oblivion was generic in comparison. Morrowind had some of the most insane stuff that would make you do a double take, because it's like, "wtf giant floating jellyfish?" Morrowind was the inspiration for Skyrim, which I just started playing, and hope to see the same awesomeness in.
wow foxy you played gothic 2 you have my personall respect gothic series is a true rpg and im not talkin about SHITKANIA(arcania) becouse this not rpg this is abomination look foxy i grew up on games like gothic mdk 2 baldurs gate fallout 1 and2 wicther 1 and i know what game is good and what is complete shit just by looking at it and i have to say that MODERN GAMING IS COMPLETE DUMBDOWN SHIT FOR CASUALS
@konpagui I've played plenty of the older RPG games in my time from Wasteland (1988,bet it's before your time)to Fallout to Neverwinter Nights to Gothic to Arx Fatalis and far more. I know quite well that games have gone down hill for a long time. They have been ever since the adventure game style has been taking a back seat. I'm not sure I follow your train of thought on playing a sequel before the first part, did I talk about that? I've pretty much played the originals of everything I mention.
it seems to me that maybe part of the problem may be this: how do you allow an open world and have a lot of story? most games cant do both. usually you have to go this way or do this. it seems like most open world becomes exploring the world more than following a story. exploring can be fun as well as story, but how do you combine them effectively? if the world is too open, you can essentially ignore the main quest. if you restrict the player, the game becomes more linear and you can't explore.
CONT: if you can't explore, its not open world. it seems to me that the elder scrolls (at least Morrowind/Oblivion) are open world games. i think its extremely difficult to have a story driven open world game. i actually did not like grand theft auto (3?4?). running around a city wasn't much fun, the missions were better. in fallout 3/NV i have fun exploring the world. i felt i was in a post apocalyptic world. was everything perfect? no. i didn't run into too many glitches though, but when i did
CONT: the glitches often required loading a previous save, usually some time back cause i dont want auto save to clog my memory. but other than the occasional getting stuck, and 2-3 freezes, i havent run into too many game breakers. i wonder if they work on glitches for consoles more? anyway, i think you do have a lot of valid points, some i didnt think of til you mentioned them. i see what you mean about characters not being fleshed out as much, also quests not being fleshed out.
CONT: like sticky making it to big town doesnt affect much. there's nothing more after that. lucy west could have been used more i think. i know the ending tells you some stuff, but i mean more as in new interactions, or further....story with the people/quest. i know some will give you discounts, and thats fine, but i can see more going on. bryan wilks - after you find him a new home, there's no more. lucas sims - if you manage to save him, he just walks around megaton. nothing else.
CONT: of course, the game can't keep going on. but i feel certain situations aught to have more. perhaps tension rising between ten penny and megaton? lucas decides to do something about ten penny? but he just walks around town. i guess you can go steal his bobblehead! :P i did enjoy the game though. but afterwards i thought it could have been better. its a huge world though. i like your idea for console commands on console popping up either through button combos or when stuck.
i've got to say that i never really noticed that the voice actors were doing multiple characters til you point it out in the game, then i noticed it. however, i do recall thinking that somde of the characters felt more real. i remember thinking man, whoever did the father is pretty good. oh, liam neeson. well, i guess you can tell talent. of course, the father only plays a role for part of the game. i thought pres eden was good too.
While I do agree with you on some of your points I would not say that these games are forgettable, not to me at least. Morrowind is possibly may favorite game of all time. My only real issue with Bethesda games are the voice overs. It bugged the hell out of me when I ran into someone who's voice would randomly change in Oblivion. I've never really had problems with bugs in Bethesda games either; I must have been fortunate.
I haven't really played any of Bethesda's games, so i can't say anything from my experience. Although, I can say I can't really get into Oblivion from what little I've seen of it, and all your criticisms of Fallout 3 were definitely sound. So, I at least agree on that level.
I'd honestly like to hear your view on Morrowind, or at least which of your points you felt addressed it, as that is my pet Bethesda game (I'm not a fan of Fallout and Oblivion doesn't have the same creativity to it), and while Morrowind was mentioned at the beginning of the rant, it was mostly missing. I understand the aesthetics are lacking. Is it just that? I felt that the lacking aesthetics and terrible humor gave the game a lovely sense of being camp (but that's probably just me).
@mage116 When I'm playing a game, I want to be drawn in somehow.Story, sound, music, etc. it has to be something that catches me very heavily. Morrowind can keep my attention for a few hours before I start to drift. It's not the kind of game I can see myself dedicating enough time to get through it. It's not good enough for that. If you're going to do a lengthy game, it needs to feel immersive and all encompassing. I just can't see it as good making me hate it for lost time it didn't deserve.
@FrozenFoxy I see where you're coming from. As someone who loves lore and made-up worlds I get my kicks out of that part of the game, but from your angle there isn't much to love.
I hate that now all games are about graphics. Games are like 90% graphics and 10% everything else. I can't understand people who think that graphics=gameplay. What I would like to know is how games like lets say pac-man are more fun than the crap we have now.
@xenqwz Probably because it's simple and straight to the point, whereas games today have crap piled on to give more content. Normally, it's all about artificially lengthening games as much as possible (see Borderlands DLCs with massive environments that you /need/ to drive around and not much to do in them for more details).
I love Bethesda games and don't agree that the bugs are quote on quote "unacceptable" but I do agree some of them are bad. I think Bethesda makes the best rpg games you can by, fallout 3 and oblivion are two of my favorite games and in my opinion are the two best rpg's ever made.
@yogibearinrehab Really? Two of the best? Have you played Chrono Trigger? Secret of Evermore? Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines? Heck, Mass Effect even? I truly can't understand looking at them as the "two best" RPGs ever. Of course, that is my opinion.
@FrozenFoxy Well maybe not the "two best" rpgs ever but they are defiantly good ones. Mass effects a good rpg but I find it to be to linear and the characters responses to situations to be very generic
With fallout 3, I feel, that they don't really want you to follow the main story line, as before you get to the second main story quest, if you talk to others, you already get three or four quests. And, In Oblivion, the whole gate massing thing, I feel is to be more for show, than for actually clearing out. Also, the Survival guide quest line is a tad rediculous, but one of the funner chains.
I used to play an awesome MMO called rubies of eventide, and i have gotten stuck in the ground before. If it senses that you appear to be stuck in an out of boundary area for more than 30 seconds, a little box appears and gives you the code to get out. It will count to five and move you to the nearest within-boundary area.
@segabud I'm actually one of the permanent Gentry members on RoE. I just haven't been there in a very long time. I also personally know one of the co-admins, Guntar.
@FrozenFoxy ahhh thats so awesome! its been a while since i played, i was going to become a gentry. how awesome. i was an awesome sword fighter dwarf who could jump rlly rlly rlly high. i also was an awesome magician who everyone liked in their parties and guilds, and an awesome craftsman who mined and crafted his own and others weapons. Who were you? it would seem the RoE is slightly offline right now...
@segabud I played some sort of mage necromancer healer summoner character. I did a lot of solo stuff in the game from getting materials up by the horseshoe with the big monsters to killing the mantis-like creatures. Only time I really got in parties was to go down into the golem place.
From the tone of the commentary in the vids, and the reasons you mention here, it's clear that you're getting somewhat frustrated with Fallout3 and it's testing your patience and more importantly (for us), your enthusiasm.
Why don't you just start on the main quest and follow it thru to the end ? You chose not to trigger any of the main quest so that you could get your level up with perks, fair enough, but now may be the right time before you get utterly sick of it.
gotta agree with ya abt the storyline of fallout.... i simply don't get it... ive seen lots of playthroughs... and i try to understand the story but i simply don't get it...
I never got int pc gaming myself maybe i dont share the same opinion as u .... but even though what u said about fallout 3 / new vegas ( same problems ) i get imersed and feel like im part of the world ( maybe ill feel the same way as you if i grew up on the thief series ) but i grew up on the trun base style of game ( the final fantasy , shining force games ) so fallout 3 was realy the first non turn base rpg i played so i can forgive it short commings
your complaining about glitches in Bethesda games that is HUGE and can do almost everything, but not mention the broken game Gothic 3 all the glitched you did not mention in bards tale. and you seem to forget the Bethesda doesn't make stories YOU have to create it mostly. And make the world react on YOU not you on them.
your reviewing the game like its a book. Its a world, not a story.
i totally feel you, i only played oblivion and morrowind once and never again, nothing rememberable. a lot of the newer pc games are seriously lacking the storyline factor. even console games make better storyline games. well, if you ever need fallout 2 or 1, ihave a cracked version of it that works fine with recording software and windows 7 and quadcores, already got the glitchy graphics and crashes fixed with data files.
Bethesda's games have always been about quantity over quality ever since Daggerfall. I definitely agree about the Gothic games, I just love them. They're open world RPG done right. Have you played the latest game from the Gothic developers, Risen? It is very similar to those games, I'd love to see you LP it!
@robjg002 I technically already have New Vegas, it just hasn't been installed. It was $10 one Christmas... so I figured why not. Now I wish I had the $10 since I could use it. Heh.
That's a shame. I mean it's the same as Fallout 3 it's not a good game but not that bad. Defiantly forgettable and FAR more glitchy and buggy on the PC.
@FrozenFoxy You should play New Vegas! I have played it quite a bit and I can say that Obsidian has made alot of difference. First, they have fixed most of the voice acting issues and I cant say that I've ever met up with a "Moira clone" incident. Second, the main story feels much more involved with many of the side quests, not all but most. Lastly, while the enviroment is not as dark as in Fo3 It's much less the same over and over again. I got to say that New Vegas is simply a better game.
well foxy, if you don;t like the game Fallout 3 much, why are there 170+ parts to it? I don't understand. If you don't like it, don't play it. We won't hate you for it.
@Sleepinmokey Yeah, but there are so many game breaking glitches in FNV. I ran into one right at the end of the game where I was locked out of a building and there was no way I could get in. I reloaded a lot of older saves, but nothing worked. It was impossible for me to complete the game, I would've had to start a brand new game. I haven't played it for months now because that put such a bad taste in my mouth.
@Aver888 Yes. You need to stop every 15 or so minutes, otherwise the video freezes and breaks. I tend to like doing videos for hours on end. When I have to stop constantly I often forget. It becomes a major problem for me.
Fall out new vegas has alot of bugs but the story line is must better and the game play is better to so if you do a lets play of it wacht out for the mouth movment not to work
Am I right to asume you hate Skyrim also, your reasonsare very true especailly the repetetive characters and the very little memorable characters. I find I remember a lot of Fallout characters personally where as Skyrim I only remember the name of the 2 main Dragons.
SGoldSSilver 2 weeks ago
**Nod nod** Very valid points, sir. I was particularly displeased with Oblivion and Fallout 3 for these reasons. I will say, however, that I disagree on the topic of Morrowind, I find that game very easy to get lost in. It's one of my personal favorites.
That said, this was a very well thought-out "rant" (maybe that's ironic, but I like irony, too), and I enjoyed listening to it. Also, you name-dropped Thief, which is my personal favorite series of all time. Thumbs-up to you, friend!
Kakashiownsyou 2 weeks ago
Random Question Not Bethesda Related: For the new Thief game, did they get the same guy to be Garrett?
RedneckYachtClubber 1 month ago in playlist Let's Rant with FrozenFoxy
@RedneckYachtClubber Currently that is unknown. However, think about this fact - the original trailers for BioShock: Infinite DID have Stephen Russell (Garrett) voicing the main character. Later, they changed to a different voice actor, meaning Stephen may not have had the time to voice the character... meaning he might be doing something else. *cough* Thief 4 *cough*
FrozenFoxy 1 month ago
Fallout also needs more variety in hairstyles... almost every character looks like Moira or your father.
hotwhire 1 month ago
I think fallout would benifit more if its conversation system was more like Mass effects, to which your character actually vocally responds to what he/she replies with, rather then you change what the other person says so suddenly with a random phrase.
hotwhire 1 month ago
Bethesda really lacks with facial expressions. Most characters just have:
Happy / Sad / Angry. Preset on them. They barley change if at all when speaking and your character her/himself never changes their mood EVER even when hit by bullets/Swords.
hotwhire 1 month ago
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They need better programmers. Their melee combat system is still trash, running is slow as shit, choppy animations, (main character also has NO facial expression diversity) and too much recycled content (fallout series)
The Ai also suffers, they walk into walls or run away into dead ends.
hotwhire 1 month ago
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hotwhire 1 month ago
People are delusional when it comes to Bethesda games. Bethesda has never made a polished game in their lives. They release unfinished products more or less because they can. They will subsequently break their games once or twice with patches, lol. Anyway, I support Bethesda, I want them to make the best games they can. It's just that everyone makes the "open world jank" excuse for them. BUT IT'S TOO MUCH JANK!
Oh, and they claim they've created a new engine when it's still Gamebryo. Gross.
PurpleHoneyBear 2 months ago
@PurpleHoneyBear And then inevitably you get lambasted by the fanboys because they've got issues with social retardation and cannot process contrary views.
I have Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines, but dealing with the issues has been horrifying. It is a crime that Activision didn't let Troika finish that game. But wow, the atmosphere is just amazing. I can't wait to really get into the game.
PurpleHoneyBear 2 months ago
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@PurpleHoneyBearIt seems Bethesda's strategy is to just shovel out the unfinished products and wait for the consumers to complain about the various issues, upon which they will will take their sweet ass time working out some sort of bullshit patch that usually makes it worse. This is the final process of any products creation BEFORE it's been released...not AFTER. Just another example of how a corporation can take advantage of consumers, cut corners, and make US pay for it.
hotwhire 1 month ago
@PurpleHoneyBear They are great story tellers and their side quests all feel as part of one bigger story where as other games *cough* Fable *cough* the side quests are just mediocre search and retrieve garbage... its just bethesda to me is just infamous for the absurd number of animation glitches, frame hiccups, item glitches etc...its horrible. I hate wasting 40 hours into a good game just to be forced to start the fuck over because of a corupt save or constant freezing issue.
hotwhire 1 month ago
@hotwhire Amen. I feel the same way. The setting, the lore, all of this is in place. I do think that story presentation is something that they should work on, but I will say that Skyrim does make some strides in this area.
PurpleHoneyBear 1 month ago
None of your points i agree with. But that's what you call opinion i suppose :p
OmniscientAmbiance 2 months ago
Oh, MAN! I did NOT expect you to bring up Gothic 2. It's my all-time favorite game, without a doubt. That game had some issues, for example the combat was extremely hard when facing multiple opponents... but even so, the atmosphere and story of it is just amazing.
Did you ever do a LP of Gothic 2? If not, then... what the hell, dude? Get on it, play with the Night of the Raven expansion! Want donations? I'll give you my liver if you do that! (and I'll give the Steam-version of Gothic 2 Gold)
MrJenssen 2 months ago
@MrJenssen Nope, haven't done the game yet. Not sure if or when either. I've got all 4, even the bad one.
FrozenFoxy 2 months ago
@FrozenFoxy There's like a million games recently released, there's a lot to sink one's teeth into so it's I fully understand that it would take time. Gothic 1 hasn't aged well, and Gothic 3 has a lot of bugs, even with the unofficial patch. And "Gothic" 4 isn't even Gothic. It's just... Arcania. :P
I would certainly enjoy it (as would many others, I'm sure) IF you were to make an LP of Gothic 2 specifically (with the NotR-expansion) someday, IF you found the time. :)
MrJenssen 2 months ago
@MrJenssen It's not really new games that are taking up my time, honestly.
FrozenFoxy 2 months ago
@FrozenFoxy Hm, you have no intention of doing ANY of the recently released games after you're done with Dead Island? Got plans for other games laid out already?
MrJenssen 2 months ago
@MrJenssen I'm already doing lots of games as it is, not to mention real life. When I get time, I do stuff.
FrozenFoxy 2 months ago
@FrozenFoxy Hey man, didn't mean it in any bad way. :)
MrJenssen 2 months ago
@MrJenssen I didn't either.
FrozenFoxy 2 months ago
dude, nice picture of Lost!
ir0nsquire 3 months ago
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Are you a game designer???
LegoMaster1 3 months ago
Please play Skyrim.
depressedturtle 3 months ago
@depressedturtle No thanks. I've actually heard even fans were giving it bad reviews. Why would someone who already doesn't like Bethesda want to play something that even the fans of Bethesda don't like?
FrozenFoxy 3 months ago
@FrozenFoxy Well its your choice, but the game hasn't even been released yet, and the only people that have played it are hackers, so I wouldn't necessarily write it off as bad yet.
depressedturtle 3 months ago
@depressedturtle Incorrect. Reviewers are often given early copies to review. Search and find some professional reviews about it.
FrozenFoxy 3 months ago
@FrozenFoxy Well, sorry you feel that way man.
depressedturtle 3 months ago
I must have the luck of the devil, because i've played through Morrowind many times, and never encountered a game breaking bug.
Still, I hope my playing of Fallout 3 will be at least HALF as smooth...
Ragitsu 4 months ago
@Ragitsu Well, when Bethesda made Morrowind, they were still good and not lazy developers who cut as many features as possible and level scale everything because they can't be bothered to place enemies and artifacts by hand. :P
JarlFrank 4 months ago
Hate Fallout 3, but like Fallout 1 and 2? You will fucking love New Vegas. Trust me.
AlexLong1000 5 months ago
it's probably just a choice of preference really, for me Fallout 3 is really good with a wonderful story and I see no problem with its voice actors. If you want really bad voice acting - Deus Ex. And it's still a very good game. I wouldn't forget Fallout 3 really.
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mirta000 5 months ago
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however I agree about Oblivion having very boring missions and environment.
you say how good are sneaking i thief sneaking mechanics - try splinter cell series, very good games if you ask me.
I don't know what you mean about Fallout 3, it's really very story line driven. Compared with how many extra side quests I have found in other games Fallout 3 mostly has only a main quest line.
Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines rocks :)
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mirta000 5 months ago
however I agree about Oblivion having very boring missions and environment.
you say how good are sneaking i thief sneaking mechanics - try splinter cell series, very good games if you ask me.
I don't know what you mean about Fallout 3, it's really very story line driven. Compared with how many extra side quests I have found in other games Fallout 3 mostly has only a main quest line.
Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines rocks :)
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mirta000 5 months ago
well I own Fallout 3 and Oblivion and none of them are bugged. Also on the PC there are console cheats to get yourself unstuck. Try The Sims 3 if you want a REALLY screwed up game :D
Also they do not have an infinite amount of voice actors. I tend to recognize the same voice actors in many games.
The same engine is not a bad thing. Both Mass Effect 1 and 2 use exactly the same engine.
spells are really overpowered in Oblivion really. Invisibility - way too overpowered.
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mirta000 5 months ago
I started with Fallout 3 after so many were so hyped about the game. I was totally confused and didn't know what to do. Still in the vault I had a hard time in combat and felt kind of lost as I did not know what to do. I don't like the dialogue system in Fallout 3, it is so rigid. I think I quit about 5 hours in and just getting out of the vault.
Aerien 5 months ago
You would remember a low int. Build, it makes the game very hard, but also very funny at times. It makes your character functionally retarded. if you ever go back to them for a l.p, a low int run could be a great bonus feature.
Nikolaithesurvivor 5 months ago
@Nikolaithesurvivor If you read through the comments you'll find the reason I haven't done an LP of them is because they're very difficult to record.
FrozenFoxy 5 months ago
Have you played the second fallout? Or, even better, played one of the original fallout titles with a low intellegance character?
Nikolaithesurvivor 5 months ago
@Nikolaithesurvivor I've played both, but I don't remember my character builds. I do remember feeling they had more substance to them though.
FrozenFoxy 5 months ago
Rage looks like a step forward.....maybe because ID had the major role in it.
eminalien 6 months ago
@eminalien Everything is better when id is involved.
FrozenFoxy 6 months ago
Well I hope they fix the bugs in Skyrim being that it has a new engine and some new developers on the team and I agree with the guy under me but I'm a pc gamer so I'm very biased and there is way more voice actors on Skyrim too so hopefully it will sound better when talking to people and such.
doggod106 6 months ago
If you play RPGs on consoles you deserve to get stuck and have to load.
MrJade12 6 months ago
GOG has a lot of old games that they made so that they're compatible with Windows 7.
TheDukeofMania 6 months ago
Foxy Whats your opinion that Skyrim uses the perk system from the fallou series because I think that just destroys what separates the elder scrolls series from the other rpgs i mean I loved morrowind I loved the backstory's and everything but with oblivion it just seemed like a medevil fair and i think the perk system will make it so its a carbon copy of the new fallout games
TheDRDAlliance 6 months ago
@TheDRDAlliance Well, if you've watched the video above, I haven't been following Skyrim even a little bit. I don't care about it at all. As for the perk system, that's been around since Fallout 1, so I wouldn't glorify Fallout 3 "the new Fallout era" as having invented it anyway.
FrozenFoxy 6 months ago
@FrozenFoxy I was,nt calling the perk system new but i was calling it the new fallout era due to the vastly different game-play from the original
TheDRDAlliance 6 months ago
@TheDRDAlliance I honestly wouldn't call it vastly different. In fact, I'd call it a copy of both Fallout and Oblivion. It's basically that "what if these two had a kid" kind of thing. Nothing in Fallout 3 is new, to be honest. Heck, even the bugs aren't new.
FrozenFoxy 6 months ago
I think you might like Fallout New Vegas, it looks like Fallout 3 but it plays a whole lot different... not surprising as it comes from a different developer. That being said i agree with almost everything you said about Bethesda games. I liked (not loved) Morrowind and really disliked Oblivion and I actually felt insulted by the game and that ridiculous "Radiant AI" and how proud Bethesda seemed to be of it although Gothic has done it way before Oblivion and much better at that.
MsTrollbridge 6 months ago
you make a fair point oblivion gates can be tedious but they are optional , but most people are willing to overlook the small flaws of bethesda because the game usually is really good,
MuseicianX 7 months ago
fallout new vegas is not made by Bethesda its made by obsidian entertainment
IAMNOTGOD1000 7 months ago
I tend not to be bothered by most of these games stories do to the fact that I don't expect them to be mind blowing or anything. It's similar to Mario, no one plays a Mario game expecting a great story. They play it to have fun, kill some time, etc. Same with Oblivion and the other Bethesda games. When I go in with my character, I don't expect every single person to be their own interesting character. I just go in to have fun.
Kisame890 7 months ago
@Kisame890 In a game where they are all supposed to be interesting characters because it's meant to be 90% story... I kind of do expect it. You can't really compare it to Mario.
FrozenFoxy 7 months ago
@Kisame890 mario isnt an rpg, fallout and elder scrolls are both rpgs
crazyjunkey98 6 months ago
Also, those 2 games are not the only ones Bethesda made. Morrowind is one of the most epic games that has ever been made. And though Oblivion is a step back in many aspects (depth of the storyline, enchantment system, number of skills and weapons etc) there still are many good things in it. Yes it could have been done better but it is still a great game. And Fallout 3 is even better. There are better games out there but also a lot worse and I think "hating all bethesda games" is an overreaction.
Perseus775 7 months ago
while I agree with several points (Oblivion being horribly bugged for once) a lot of things you talk about are a direct result of your own playstyle. For instance, you don't have to walk into each oblivion gate, to complete the game you only have to enter three gates, and those three oblivion worlds are unique. Also, it is great that there is so much to explore in Fallout 3 - if you choose to do that rather than follow the main quest, then please do not blame the developers, it's ridiculous...
Perseus775 7 months ago
Hate and despise are some strong words. But you are a strong man, with a huge dick. I agree, I can only play Oblivion, F3, Morrowind even, for two days at most before being bored of what I can only describe as a stale level of pacing due to overwhelming lack of depth in the world. I'm hoping Bethesda picks up their character development for Skyrim, from VA to story-involvement, making characters more interesting than a quest-icon :D
Sandro234 7 months ago
Well, it's your opinion, and you're free to it. O_o There are bugs, but I think the games are good enough to redeem themselves. Hell, Fallout 3 is my 3rd favorite game.
scruffy688 7 months ago in playlist Favorites 5
oh c'mon morrowind is way more different than oblivion
shurdi3 7 months ago
Hater's gonna hate
LaV0lpe 7 months ago
@LaV0lpe Or reason that the games are hollow and don't feel fulfilling.
FrozenFoxy 7 months ago
@FrozenFoxy I know that's your opinion, but you're talking about these games like they're terrible, yes I know they have flaws, but they're still brilliant games that are a helluva lot of fun to play. And hollow is an atrocious word to describe these games, hollow means empty inside and The Elder Scrolls and Fallout are far from hollow, yeah sure the voice acting is hollow, but describing the entire games as hollow is just wrong.
LaV0lpe 7 months ago
@LaV0lpe When you've grown up with extravagant games like I have - adventure games with amazing stories and characters - you have very high standards for characters in games. None of them feel fleshed out properly save a few. I've played games with far more characters in them that all felt like people that could be real and have lives. Those in these games feel like they just wait around to fulfill quest purposes. They are empty and lifeless.
FrozenFoxy 7 months ago
@FrozenFoxy Well I hope Skyrim fixes these problems for you
LaV0lpe 7 months ago
I remember in Fallout New Vegas I was doing a quest I had to guard a building for a few hours and I sat there and, days went by and no one came and told me I was done guarding.
Bhunt756 8 months ago
@Bhunt756 Was it the Silver Rush?
scruffy688 7 months ago in playlist Favorites 5
As soon as Smiling Jack mentioned the cross and the 8:15 from sacramento, i knew i would love Vampire Bloodlines. Not only did that crack me up to no end, but he put so much character behind the explanation that i felt the immersion that i would have throughout the rest of the game, right there.
Just the fact that years after playing VTMB i can still remember a detail as small as which train he mentioned, shows how memorable that game is.
tykk86 8 months ago
I can give you the benefit of the doubt as far as the games you related to because I am not a PC gamer at all (literally the most high tech game I've ever played on my computer is minecraft or the Aveyond series') so I really can't relate to what games you mentioned in this video, but people have there opinions and i have said mine and you have said yours, and thus i end this rant that i totally should've put into a video, not in the comments.
djk77777777 8 months ago
@djk77777777 So, first of all, the storyline you mentioned for Oblivion... sounds like a collection quest. That actually made me think less of the game rather than more. Sorry. Second, after increasing all my skills to 100 and barely doing anything with the main quest (i.e. going to the first town necessary) Oblivion gates were so common it was ridiculous (I could have taken a screenshot with 7 in it easily). My character was a High Elf, I don't like Orcs. Anyway, it just wasn't good for me.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
now be entered, you kill semi-evil dude, you come back, everything is fiWRONG!!!, super evil dude is now summoned, you save last heir in an epic chase through the palace, and he sacrifices himself to save the world, but now there is no heir to the throne and now any evil creatures trying to enter the realm can now do so, thus sending the entire empire into a helpless downfall.
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djk77777777 8 months ago
but if you play the whole main quest all the way through, and pay close attention, the storyline is incredibly deep and distressing. summary of it: The king's heirs have been murdered, king tells you there is one left, find him, king gets assassinated, you find last heir, last heir's needed relic gets stolen, you get it back, last heir needs 4 items, you retrieve them while finding out about a lot of history and risking your life along the way, semi-evil dude's realm can (cont. next comment)
djk77777777 8 months ago
anything you want right off the bat, not be forced to go in a straight line like Final Fantasy XIII and other games like that.
6th thing that i heard about was the lack of immersive characters in fallout.
The only thing i can even begin to say to this is DO THE MAIN STORYLINE.
7th thing i heard about was how the main storyline of oblivion drifted.
NO, It VERY MUCH did not. It may have been that you did other things in the game while still in the main quest (cont. next comment)
djk77777777 8 months ago
There's a lot wrong with Bethesda I think. They are particularly heinous offenders when it comes to the "open world jank". It's like they ship their games a year before they should.
You don't have to attribute New Vegas to Bethesda. It was made by Obsidian. And that was a total disaster where they had to patch the patch and then patch it some more.
PurpleHoneyBear 8 months ago
the main storyline, you have other things just as amazing in the game to do and you never get bored with it, do the main storyline in your let's play and then see how the other side stories match up to it, i'm sure you'll say that yes they are still great, but the main storyline was worked on more so than the others. The reason the game doesn't push you to do the main storyline is because bethesda wanted to make its games kind of like sandbox play where you could do (cont. next comment)
djk77777777 8 months ago
that will help you or maybe even just reward you for searching around like that or for doing small tasks, they don't want to have to dedicate every single fiber of the game to a tedious storyline especially with games that large.
5th thing i heard was about the storyline getting lost.
If you actually took the time to do the main storyline, you would find that it's an amazing story, but that's also why they add all of the other content, so after you get done with (cont. next comment)
djk77777777 8 months ago
the main story line quite a bit before you actually have them start popping up. The reason your spells probably don't do much is because you either aren't skilled in magic enough or aren't using a race that does well with magic aka orcs.
4th thing i heard was about everything you do you want to be storyline based.
One of the reasons bethesda doesn't always do this is because they occasionally just try to add a place where you could get a nice gun/blade or something (cont. next comment)
djk77777777 8 months ago
walking around for an extremely long time, autosaves usually aren't that far back, and any good rpg'er knows to save often and in different files anyway.
3rd thing you talked about was about the tediousness of oblivion gates
Yes the oblivion gates are tedious, but that's why bethesda made them almost all completely optional, you only have to do 3 throughout the whole game if you wanted to. the oblivion portals also don't just pop up after levels, you have to advance (cont. next comment)
djk77777777 8 months ago
that because there is just so many different people you can't get that many different voices for everybody, and think about how many different lines people would have to have throughout the course of a day.
2nd thing i heard was a few things about glitches
As for me, I have never ever run into the npc falling through floor glitch, so that's new for me to hear, running into objects and getting stuck is something i don't find very annoying because unless you've just been (cont. next comment)
djk77777777 8 months ago
Ok, first off, i'm writing this as i hear things you say in the video, so if the things i write are corrected later in the video, just disregard them.
1st thing i heard you talk about was with the voice volumes and things like that, when you think of games like oblivion and fallout, think about the size, i'm not sure about fallout 3, but in oblivion there are something around the figure of 1200 NPC's in that game, so the voices will repeat, but you can't fault them for (cont. next comment)
djk77777777 8 months ago
fixed major issues heads off. eventually the company went bankrupt, so official patches weren't made for Vista and 7, so the community had to step in, nonetheless an awesome game. Now a company like Bethesda, who earns god knows how many millions, won't even move a finger to fix any major bugs. I enjoyed playing both TES & F3 the first and second time, but now the game cartridges are just catching dust on my shelf. Just the whole preparing with mods is way too tedious for me to bother...
macnahamic 8 months ago
the golden star to Blizzard. They actually take the time to develop something to near perfection (and i'm not talking of WoW, I'm not fond of MMOs). The atmosphere and story of games like Diablo, Starcraft and the Warcraft strategy games provide such an atmosphere.
Coming back on topic, people criticize VtM Bloodlines for being buggy as well, please make better research, the game came out for the XP and 2000 version of windows. Granted it was buggy already, but their basic patching (continues)
macnahamic 8 months ago
@macnahamic Please do better research? Heh, I own the original CDs for VtMB. I know how buggy it is, but the aesthetics of the game made the bugs bearable. TES and Fallout 3 feel like hollow games with little value to feel rewarding enough to suffer through. Also, VtMB was NOT fixed by the official patches, it was still broken. The reason that it was buggy was because Troika was FORCED by Activision to release it buggy causing Troika to later go bankrupt. I don't blame Troika for the issues.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
@FrozenFoxy the research demand wasn't aimed at you directly. I agree to where the official patches didn't fix important issues. you couldn't even finish the ending, but in the end, after patching that game to a point where you could play it, I felt so much satisfaction playing it till the end that i played it though with every clan. Whilst F3 and Oblivion. Fun the first playthrough, frustrating the second playthrough and yeah... it then ended on my shelf. Your LP tickled me to play it again...
macnahamic 8 months ago
@macnahamic Fallout 3 isn't an awful game... it's just not even close to good enough to be "Game of the Year" - there were so many other good things during that year it's a joke. I've also technically done a VtMB LP as well as started a second with a new clan.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
@FrozenFoxy Agreed, that "Game of the Year" derived more from the name of the game than it's actual content.
And yes, I saw your VtM LP ^^ I simply adore Dementation!
Eitherways, keep up the awesome work. I really enjoy your LPs.
macnahamic 8 months ago
I can only agree with you on every point. I just do not understand how they can release a game filled with so many bugs and glitches... when i played oblivion without any open source mods and bug fixes, I felt like i was playing a pre-beta demo. They make a bigger hype out of their games to get the sales going, instead of presenting something as bugfree as possible. They don't even patch anything, the playerbase is supposed to provide all of that.
That's where I simply have to give (continues)
macnahamic 8 months ago
i'm going to create 100 more youtube accounts and subscribe to you so you can post that gad damned LP =))
dorianjazz2 8 months ago
Would You Do A Walkthrough Of Arx Fatalis? I Would Really Like To See You Do That!
ShamzDevil 8 months ago
@ShamzDevil I don't think that's very likely, but I do like that Stephen Russell is a voice in it.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
@FrozenFoxy What About Any Other Old RPG's?
ShamzDevil 8 months ago
@ShamzDevil Maybe. Guess you'll just have to wait and see.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
@FrozenFoxy dun dun dun..... Kl!
ShamzDevil 8 months ago
Thanks for the rant. I actually liked hearing your opinions - with Bethesda I guess I've just come to accept the buggy, less immersive nature (sp?). Bloodlines is still one of my favorite games, even now I play it a couple times a year for old times sake. I haven't played Gothic or Full Throttle, but I might look into them now.
AlicethePattern 8 months ago
and over 199 quest to do this is including DLC. I do agree on the voice acting to a degree i feel that they over use some voices but like your example of vampire the masquerade bloodlines you are not able to talk to every single person to where as you can talk to every single person in oblivion as long as they are not your enemy. I am glad that you tell us this is in fact your opinion and i just wanted to state my opinion i mean no foul from this, i just wished to state two point of view's.
SuperBrokenFist 8 months ago
I have to strongly disagree with you on how the Elder scrolls is not memorable. You where talking about how in Oblivion you feel like the story is just in the background. I have never felt like this i would guess it maybe depend on how some people approach it like my self i not only do and enjoy the main quest i talk and look around for other quest to do in the current town I'm in. Also you said end game its mostly oblivion gates where i feel its not there are over 400 places to go in oblivion
SuperBrokenFist 8 months ago
New project? Oh God, thank you.
Vizharan93 8 months ago
also fallout N.V. is in my opinion is the better of fallout 3 but there is glitchs and bugs but i think they have more voise actors then fallout 3 but you will still find the same voice actors but at least they put effort into the accent
MrDestroyerdm 8 months ago
4:10 hes the best t.v. show character ever
MrDestroyerdm 8 months ago
Kinda agree on the whole Bethesda thing, although Morrowind, vanilla even, drew me in like a moth to the flame. That's why Oblivion was such a big letdown to me, and to a lesser degree Fallout 3. Oblivion was just a copypasta world, full of samey old stuff you see everwhere in that game and Fallout 3 didn't had that Fallout feel in it. It was just a 3d shooter/adventure game with some nods to the older games in the series, not bad but not particulary good either.
slask25 8 months ago
@slask25 Now that's an amazing game. For it's time, Morrowind was one of the greatest RPGs. Oblivion was generic in comparison. Morrowind had some of the most insane stuff that would make you do a double take, because it's like, "wtf giant floating jellyfish?" Morrowind was the inspiration for Skyrim, which I just started playing, and hope to see the same awesomeness in.
PurpleHoneyBear 2 months ago
wow foxy you played gothic 2 you have my personall respect gothic series is a true rpg and im not talkin about SHITKANIA(arcania) becouse this not rpg this is abomination look foxy i grew up on games like gothic mdk 2 baldurs gate fallout 1 and2 wicther 1 and i know what game is good and what is complete shit just by looking at it and i have to say that MODERN GAMING IS COMPLETE DUMBDOWN SHIT FOR CASUALS
konpagui 8 months ago
@konpagui I've played plenty of the older RPG games in my time from Wasteland (1988,bet it's before your time)to Fallout to Neverwinter Nights to Gothic to Arx Fatalis and far more. I know quite well that games have gone down hill for a long time. They have been ever since the adventure game style has been taking a back seat. I'm not sure I follow your train of thought on playing a sequel before the first part, did I talk about that? I've pretty much played the originals of everything I mention.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
what idiot will play sequel and dont play first part before sequel oh yeah AMERICANS I FORGOT brains and americans words kinda dont combine
konpagui 8 months ago
@konpagui You do not need to play the very first game of the series to say so is just idiotic.
SuperBrokenFist 8 months ago
it seems to me that maybe part of the problem may be this: how do you allow an open world and have a lot of story? most games cant do both. usually you have to go this way or do this. it seems like most open world becomes exploring the world more than following a story. exploring can be fun as well as story, but how do you combine them effectively? if the world is too open, you can essentially ignore the main quest. if you restrict the player, the game becomes more linear and you can't explore.
mds0014 8 months ago
CONT: if you can't explore, its not open world. it seems to me that the elder scrolls (at least Morrowind/Oblivion) are open world games. i think its extremely difficult to have a story driven open world game. i actually did not like grand theft auto (3?4?). running around a city wasn't much fun, the missions were better. in fallout 3/NV i have fun exploring the world. i felt i was in a post apocalyptic world. was everything perfect? no. i didn't run into too many glitches though, but when i did
mds0014 8 months ago
CONT: the glitches often required loading a previous save, usually some time back cause i dont want auto save to clog my memory. but other than the occasional getting stuck, and 2-3 freezes, i havent run into too many game breakers. i wonder if they work on glitches for consoles more? anyway, i think you do have a lot of valid points, some i didnt think of til you mentioned them. i see what you mean about characters not being fleshed out as much, also quests not being fleshed out.
mds0014 8 months ago
CONT: like sticky making it to big town doesnt affect much. there's nothing more after that. lucy west could have been used more i think. i know the ending tells you some stuff, but i mean more as in new interactions, or further....story with the people/quest. i know some will give you discounts, and thats fine, but i can see more going on. bryan wilks - after you find him a new home, there's no more. lucas sims - if you manage to save him, he just walks around megaton. nothing else.
mds0014 8 months ago
CONT: of course, the game can't keep going on. but i feel certain situations aught to have more. perhaps tension rising between ten penny and megaton? lucas decides to do something about ten penny? but he just walks around town. i guess you can go steal his bobblehead! :P i did enjoy the game though. but afterwards i thought it could have been better. its a huge world though. i like your idea for console commands on console popping up either through button combos or when stuck.
mds0014 8 months ago
i've got to say that i never really noticed that the voice actors were doing multiple characters til you point it out in the game, then i noticed it. however, i do recall thinking that somde of the characters felt more real. i remember thinking man, whoever did the father is pretty good. oh, liam neeson. well, i guess you can tell talent. of course, the father only plays a role for part of the game. i thought pres eden was good too.
mds0014 8 months ago
While I do agree with you on some of your points I would not say that these games are forgettable, not to me at least. Morrowind is possibly may favorite game of all time. My only real issue with Bethesda games are the voice overs. It bugged the hell out of me when I ran into someone who's voice would randomly change in Oblivion. I've never really had problems with bugs in Bethesda games either; I must have been fortunate.
Deflage 8 months ago
man is ur voice tired by now or what? xD
segabud 8 months ago
I haven't really played any of Bethesda's games, so i can't say anything from my experience. Although, I can say I can't really get into Oblivion from what little I've seen of it, and all your criticisms of Fallout 3 were definitely sound. So, I at least agree on that level.
jcrebel18 8 months ago
I'd honestly like to hear your view on Morrowind, or at least which of your points you felt addressed it, as that is my pet Bethesda game (I'm not a fan of Fallout and Oblivion doesn't have the same creativity to it), and while Morrowind was mentioned at the beginning of the rant, it was mostly missing. I understand the aesthetics are lacking. Is it just that? I felt that the lacking aesthetics and terrible humor gave the game a lovely sense of being camp (but that's probably just me).
mage116 8 months ago
@mage116 When I'm playing a game, I want to be drawn in somehow.Story, sound, music, etc. it has to be something that catches me very heavily. Morrowind can keep my attention for a few hours before I start to drift. It's not the kind of game I can see myself dedicating enough time to get through it. It's not good enough for that. If you're going to do a lengthy game, it needs to feel immersive and all encompassing. I just can't see it as good making me hate it for lost time it didn't deserve.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
@FrozenFoxy I see where you're coming from. As someone who loves lore and made-up worlds I get my kicks out of that part of the game, but from your angle there isn't much to love.
mage116 8 months ago
I hate that now all games are about graphics. Games are like 90% graphics and 10% everything else. I can't understand people who think that graphics=gameplay. What I would like to know is how games like lets say pac-man are more fun than the crap we have now.
xenqwz 8 months ago
@xenqwz Probably because it's simple and straight to the point, whereas games today have crap piled on to give more content. Normally, it's all about artificially lengthening games as much as possible (see Borderlands DLCs with massive environments that you /need/ to drive around and not much to do in them for more details).
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
I love Bethesda games and don't agree that the bugs are quote on quote "unacceptable" but I do agree some of them are bad. I think Bethesda makes the best rpg games you can by, fallout 3 and oblivion are two of my favorite games and in my opinion are the two best rpg's ever made.
yogibearinrehab 8 months ago
@yogibearinrehab Really? Two of the best? Have you played Chrono Trigger? Secret of Evermore? Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines? Heck, Mass Effect even? I truly can't understand looking at them as the "two best" RPGs ever. Of course, that is my opinion.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago 2
@FrozenFoxy Well maybe not the "two best" rpgs ever but they are defiantly good ones. Mass effects a good rpg but I find it to be to linear and the characters responses to situations to be very generic
yogibearinrehab 8 months ago
New Vegas is more of the same old...
30mmBalistic 8 months ago
With fallout 3, I feel, that they don't really want you to follow the main story line, as before you get to the second main story quest, if you talk to others, you already get three or four quests. And, In Oblivion, the whole gate massing thing, I feel is to be more for show, than for actually clearing out. Also, the Survival guide quest line is a tad rediculous, but one of the funner chains.
Archkha47 8 months ago
I love your videos man but I've got to totaly disagree with you on this bethesda is one of the best rpg makers now.
356587 8 months ago
@356587 Beathesda is one of the best right now because better developers are for some reason either shutdown or bought by another company.
xenqwz 8 months ago
Well said! This is exactly why I can't get into Bethesda games.
Incidentally, I was working on a Thief 2 fan mission as I listened to your rant. Long live Thief!
CerebralStasis 8 months ago
Thief its a masterpiece,the voice acting,the characters,the story,all perfect
Oblivion crashes to me like every 5 minutes,its glitchy as hell,and boring, i gave up on it after a few quests.
Full Throttle now that was a fun game,one of my favorite adventure game next to The Lost Crown
Fallout 3, i find it awful...even if some people disagree , i still keep my idea that is quantity without quality,like most of Bethesda games
Call Of Cthulhu,that was good, but buggy, but ti had the Lovecraft feel.
dorianjazz2 8 months ago
I used to play an awesome MMO called rubies of eventide, and i have gotten stuck in the ground before. If it senses that you appear to be stuck in an out of boundary area for more than 30 seconds, a little box appears and gives you the code to get out. It will count to five and move you to the nearest within-boundary area.
segabud 8 months ago
@segabud I'm actually one of the permanent Gentry members on RoE. I just haven't been there in a very long time. I also personally know one of the co-admins, Guntar.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
@FrozenFoxy ahhh thats so awesome! its been a while since i played, i was going to become a gentry. how awesome. i was an awesome sword fighter dwarf who could jump rlly rlly rlly high. i also was an awesome magician who everyone liked in their parties and guilds, and an awesome craftsman who mined and crafted his own and others weapons. Who were you? it would seem the RoE is slightly offline right now...
segabud 8 months ago
@segabud I played some sort of mage necromancer healer summoner character. I did a lot of solo stuff in the game from getting materials up by the horseshoe with the big monsters to killing the mantis-like creatures. Only time I really got in parties was to go down into the golem place.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
@FrozenFoxy a tear shed for game lost...
segabud 8 months ago
From the tone of the commentary in the vids, and the reasons you mention here, it's clear that you're getting somewhat frustrated with Fallout3 and it's testing your patience and more importantly (for us), your enthusiasm.
Why don't you just start on the main quest and follow it thru to the end ? You chose not to trigger any of the main quest so that you could get your level up with perks, fair enough, but now may be the right time before you get utterly sick of it.
CarbonUnit6 8 months ago
gotta agree with ya abt the storyline of fallout.... i simply don't get it... ive seen lots of playthroughs... and i try to understand the story but i simply don't get it...
jethardy 8 months ago
Maybe then I can come to the end of your lets palys.
Lucardsan 8 months ago
gotta agree with ya on the storyline... i simply don't get it...
jethardy 8 months ago
I never got int pc gaming myself maybe i dont share the same opinion as u .... but even though what u said about fallout 3 / new vegas ( same problems ) i get imersed and feel like im part of the world ( maybe ill feel the same way as you if i grew up on the thief series ) but i grew up on the trun base style of game ( the final fantasy , shining force games ) so fallout 3 was realy the first non turn base rpg i played so i can forgive it short commings
reddragon01369 8 months ago
are you ever going to do a gothic lp?
Greendax99 8 months ago
your complaining about glitches in Bethesda games that is HUGE and can do almost everything, but not mention the broken game Gothic 3 all the glitched you did not mention in bards tale. and you seem to forget the Bethesda doesn't make stories YOU have to create it mostly. And make the world react on YOU not you on them.
your reviewing the game like its a book. Its a world, not a story.
FuckingPolitics 8 months ago
i totally feel you, i only played oblivion and morrowind once and never again, nothing rememberable. a lot of the newer pc games are seriously lacking the storyline factor. even console games make better storyline games. well, if you ever need fallout 2 or 1, ihave a cracked version of it that works fine with recording software and windows 7 and quadcores, already got the glitchy graphics and crashes fixed with data files.
Azn69Knight 8 months ago
Bethesda's games have always been about quantity over quality ever since Daggerfall. I definitely agree about the Gothic games, I just love them. They're open world RPG done right. Have you played the latest game from the Gothic developers, Risen? It is very similar to those games, I'd love to see you LP it!
mrbitbot 8 months ago
@mrbitbot But whatever you do, DON'T play Gothic 4. Ever.
chisese 8 months ago
@chisese Agreed, Gothic 4 wasn't a true Gothic game. Not the same developer.
mrbitbot 8 months ago
@mrbitbot No, but I've heard of it before.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
i play vindictus, and that stuck escape command doesnt help, once your stuck your dead kuz bosses kill you in two hits lol
Azn69Knight 8 months ago
I recommend you don't buy Fallout: New Vegas. If you don't like Fallout 3 you'll hate New Vegas. That's how i felt about it anyway. Nice video :)
robjg002 8 months ago
@robjg002 I technically already have New Vegas, it just hasn't been installed. It was $10 one Christmas... so I figured why not. Now I wish I had the $10 since I could use it. Heh.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
@FrozenFoxy
That's a shame. I mean it's the same as Fallout 3 it's not a good game but not that bad. Defiantly forgettable and FAR more glitchy and buggy on the PC.
robjg002 8 months ago
@FrozenFoxy You should play New Vegas! I have played it quite a bit and I can say that Obsidian has made alot of difference. First, they have fixed most of the voice acting issues and I cant say that I've ever met up with a "Moira clone" incident. Second, the main story feels much more involved with many of the side quests, not all but most. Lastly, while the enviroment is not as dark as in Fo3 It's much less the same over and over again. I got to say that New Vegas is simply a better game.
TheYoshi42 8 months ago
its awesome because i was one of his 1st subs and i watched him grow from the start
GOOD JOB FOXAY!!
SuperDancinKitteh 8 months ago
@foxy just got to that point, sorry for criticising earlier.
WillyWolfman 8 months ago
Foxy should play Mount and blade Warband
killrat55 8 months ago
but not forget EQ is mmorpg most mmorpg hawe an meted to unstuck you since ya cant save for obious reasosns
PKKHaseo19 8 months ago
well foxy, if you don;t like the game Fallout 3 much, why are there 170+ parts to it? I don't understand. If you don't like it, don't play it. We won't hate you for it.
WillyWolfman 8 months ago
@WillyWolfman If you watch the entire thing, I talk about how I play it for the nostalgia factor rather than it being a wondrous gaming experience.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
@Sleepinmokey Yeah, but there are so many game breaking glitches in FNV. I ran into one right at the end of the game where I was locked out of a building and there was no way I could get in. I reloaded a lot of older saves, but nothing worked. It was impossible for me to complete the game, I would've had to start a brand new game. I haven't played it for months now because that put such a bad taste in my mouth.
Gdayguy36 8 months ago
The Witcher 2 has awesome characters and story. You can buy Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 for 2.99$ on GOG.com and they works perfectly fine.
Aver888 8 months ago
@Aver888 Not for recording though. Fraps doesn't pick it up. It's a bitch to work with.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
@FrozenFoxy Have you tried camtasia? I heard that many Letsplayers use it. It can record any game that you can run in window mode.
Aver888 8 months ago
@Aver888 Yes. You need to stop every 15 or so minutes, otherwise the video freezes and breaks. I tend to like doing videos for hours on end. When I have to stop constantly I often forget. It becomes a major problem for me.
FrozenFoxy 8 months ago
Fall out new vegas has alot of bugs but the story line is must better and the game play is better to so if you do a lets play of it wacht out for the mouth movment not to work
Sleepinmokey 8 months ago
world of warcraft has the same ability of getting unstuck
keshka4life 8 months ago