"Almost all of the basic categories in the animal world emerged all of the sudden in that early geological period. Living things from very different classes such as mollusks, vertebrates, arthopods, and echinoderms with their very different physical characteristics, emerged with their exceedingly complicated organs and systems all at once. This fact that emerges from the fossil record demolishes the theory of evolution and is proof of creation."
An interior design dropout who claims he studied philosophy whilst on his 'art' course yet he holds NO qualifications.
He spent years in a mental institution before being released and founding his cult.
He convinced many rich turkish youths he was the mahdi (islamic messiah) and used their money to setup a criminal organisation which tried to overthrow the turkish government.
He and his group were charged with rape, kidnap, underage pornography and blackmail.
Hmm, typical. Spread lie to make someone name bad. And you hope that if the name already bad the people will not believe in his work. Just download atlas of creation and read it! Then you will know that it is true
Harun yahya is no scientist, philosopher or intellectual. If you can prove otherwise i would be happy to see your evidence.
His organisation (BAF) has been over the turkish press in recent years along with their convictions for rape and blackmail.
Why dont you spend some time looking these things up rather than protecting a horrible criminal, just because he happens to support your religion (for his own gains).
He has formal philosophy education. he is drop out, but face book guy and bill gates also drop out. It doesnt mean they stupid. Many evolusionist also mason, they posses great position in secular turkey, they can do anything to make harun yahya look bad like mix heroin in his kebab. And then again just download the atlas and read it. I would love to read also delusion of god if they are not expensive. What are you afraid of?Is darwinism is yor religion that you so afraid in read opposite reading
He has no education in philosophy, he read some books on islam whilst at art college and formed a group where he met many people who funded him.
He has NO qualifications that can be found to prove his own claims of being an 'intellectual'. His own material supports this, he makes no effort to be academic or scientific, and i have read throuh many of his free ebooks and found absolutely laughable arguments in his work.
The fallacies he uses would not be used by any adept intellectual.
The god delusion is not expensive, you can pick it up for about £7 or less on ebay.
Ive not read it personally, im far more interested in religion than just reading mainstream books.
My girlfriend is muslim which is why i learn so much about religion, sadly i cannot buy into it because it is founded on so many faulty and unplausible foundations.
Darwinism is no religion, and i have no desire to want to accept it. It just happens to be the best explanation backed with evidence.
? First of all, there is no such thing as boyfriend-girlfriend in Islam, because it will get you near to adultery. Second a moslem girl cannot married to non moslem. So if she does all that, I deeply doubting her faith and her knowledge on Islam, which may make Islam look faulty to you. You accept it as best explaination but you are not accepting it???? If you accept it, you surely atheist because it doesnt believe any supranatural involve in the existance of living thing
There is no physical relationship because of her religious views if you must know.
She is very pious and wants me to convert, talking to her about history, science and all other things which stand against islam and religion in general....is basically like talking to a brick wall.
She will not discuss it with me, shes right im wrong.
Muslims are very arrogant in this way, pardon the generalisation. They can never see the flaws in their society.
She loves me, thats something natural and clearly transcends what her god wants.
Her god would rather she was unhappy and miserable without me, marrying only a muslim, which she does not like because she does not want to be treated like an object.
Shes studied the koran her whole life, yet she is incapable of telling me 'why' she believes in islam. 'Why' she knows there is a god. There is no answer.
I do not believe because i dont know which god, or why. Because there is no evidence.
Ive studied a lot of christian history, a bit of jewish material, as well as zoroastrianism and greek mythology.
Also i have recently got into the pre biblical era, which was where your god (yahweh who is allah in the islamic sense) was one of several gods who created the earth and heavens.
He had a wife named asherah, and was eventually subjected to fervent fanatacism which lead to political wars and the rise of monotheism.
As a religious person you owe it to yourself to read on this.
Because the great judeo-christian-islamic god was once a part of polytheism.
History spells this out clearly, as well as the historical problem of jesus and the so called prophecies he fulfilled.
Jesus was no messiah, the writers of the gospels wanted to make him god by means of forgery and manipulation.
Jesus life in the bible was clearly fake set of tales, but yet islam accepts him as if he were a prophet. Mohammed relied on the antiquity of the bible to found his new religion of islam.
You keep throwing the red herrings. I can answer all your allegation, its all the classic one. But take to many comments. Beside we discuss about evolution here.
I would love for you to explain how mohammed revealed a book which could ONLY have come from god.
That means explain where he revealed information and facts that were simply not known about in those times.
Seriously i would like to know if any exist.
Because i have looked over so many of these claims and found all to be either horribly vague and contrived, or already known hundreds if not thousands of years beforehand.
It would prove that he wasnt making this all up from the bible.
Many muslims i have heard claim he never studied or encountered the bible due to his illiteracy.
But he fills the quran with reinterpreted biblical stories, even apocryphal jewish stories which even the jews say are nonsense (e.g queen of sheba meeting david).
He also mixes up the relations of biblical characters confusing brothers and uncles, and whole bloodlines of people.
Baby jesus even talks to mary...on the 1st day he was born. Even christians didnt go that crazy with the myths.
Throw red herrings again! I can answer it all but you out beyond topic here. You can email me directly on other subject. In this video we discuss about evolution
A red herring is a distraction normally used to hide the lack of an answer.
I havent used this as any form of distraction, this digression is validated since islam and the koran are the reason why evolution is not accepted by yourself and most muslims.
In fact i would say it is the only reason because it FLAT OUT contradicts the story of creation. Without this little story being true, your faith is no longer literal and is wide open to debate over its validity.
That's fair, but it would open up a whole other discussion, to long for this limited youtube comments. For short, the God of abraham, david, moses and jesus is always the same one God. Its no suprising that all the religion have similiar stories but each story is not exactly the same. we moslem believe that jew and christian have made changes on their scripture.
Well only religions from the middle east share this god. Most stories have no common connection or theme, theres thousnds of them you can look at.
What does seem to hold is antiquity, old beliefs hold more value over the new.
Ezra who compiled genesis and the story of creation, was evidently fusing several popular myths together to create the garden of eden, clay men, the great flood etc
He trusted the stories which were passed down and tried to make them into one coherent story.
The atlas of creation gives absolutely no scientific data regarding its 350 million year old rabbit fossils, or 70 million year old antelopes.
There is no way to tell what samples these are, when they were dated, what methods were used, which lab tested them, what controls were applied, who verfied them, etc
The book is silent on its sources apart from giving some vague descriptions of when or where the fossils were apparently found. Theres nothing to stop him just making it up for laymen.
Carbon dating can only date objects up to 60,000 years.
How did he get 70m year old rabbits from carbon dates?
And i doubt he used stratum since he'd find the rabbits with the dinosaurs, if that was the case then all the christian creationists would be raging about the invalidity of the geologic column and the order of species and dates in the rocks.
I also think that tiktaalik is forgery. But it's wrong to accuse without proof. You shouldn't either. So how to solve this? Let there be debate between Harun Yahya and Dawkins. Both should bring their fossil to be checked. That would be fair. But Dawkins have swear that he would not confront creationist. Is there any other scientist that you think could represent evolutionist?
Harun Yahya is not a scientist, he has shown many times that he clearly doesnt even understand evolution or science.
He has done nothing but undermined academics who have spent their entire lives trying to explain nature with evidence and scientific methodology.
He has NO place in science, and giving him the stage tells the public that science is somehow 'wrong' or 'guilty' when infact it is merely being attacked by religious funadmentalists with views that ARE NOT scientific.
The tactic of creationists for over 40 years has been to get in the public eye as much as possible.
Their tactic is to create an illusion of doubt, where in fact there is none.
There is no great scientific doubt about evolution, 99% of learned biologists accept it as an overwhelming fact, and as of yet no evidence has been presented which contradricts evolution.
There are SOO many falsificiations which could be used, but out of 100m species, not one falls outside of evolutionary theory.
If suddenly many species emerged in their full perfect complex system, which all look like to have been DESIGNED to best suit their life, without any gradual process, of COURSE it proves creation
Well firstly no creature has been found to have appeared without any ancestry, all life on earth shares genetic information which relates across species.
If we were not interrelated there would be no purpose in this.
The human genome is 95% redundant DNA, why is that? What was gods purpose? Why do we have genes for full thick body hair, tails and multiple variations of organs, bones and other physical features?
Evidently it says...we once had these...now they are disabled.
What is the proff? Dog is always dog, human is always human. They dont have ancestor. Every species is created uniquely, best suited for them. 95% redundant? Like vestigial organ which the list is continue to decreased, once called un-use organ is actually an organ we havent found its function due to our limited knowledge. DNA? You can't even see DNA, our knowledge on dna is still so young. How can you be so sure 95% of it doesnt have purpose. How arrogant
You can see DNA... 3 billion base pairs have been decoded within the human genome. Over 180 species have so far been mapped. Did you not know about this???
I can also tell you that my wisdom teeth hurt like mad, my jaw is too small for them, just like most of the human population has this problem.
Look at apes, they have THE SAME teeth as us, and larger jaws.
Older skulls from past homonids also confirm our shrinking jaw. Teeth are also unique to all other species, yet we have ape teeth..
I'm try to hold myself from commenting. Because I should not open youtube in office. But this is just ridicolus. Sir, I work in Molecular Marker Lab. We mapping Oil Palm genes. We CAN'T SEE DNA LIKE WE SEE BACTERIA UNDER MICROSCOP. We can only see it like we see negatif photo or like a barcode pattern.
I did not mean you could physically look at genes under a microscope, but chromosomes are perfectly visible with electron microscopes and they are themselves the wound twines of DNA.
We have studied this for over 60 years and know a lot about it.
Do you actually have a background in genetics and science, or do you just happen to have a job in a lab?
'our knowledge on dna is still so young. How can you be so sure 95% of it doesnt have purpose. How arrogant '
I know its junk because several studies with mice have shown that removing the junk DNA does not cause any detectable problems with the mice.
The only practical benefit of having junk dna is that it bulks out your genome making you less likely to have the 'critical' parts of the germline damaged by viral attacks.
If evolution is wrong, that doesnt mean life was created by God.
Life could appear by other processes, non intelligent natural methods.
Something we have missed, or do not understand.
It is purely ignorant to dismiss all other possibilities and presume it happens to just be one god...and you know his name... and its allah...or krishna...or zues...or jesus....or any other god lable you can come up with to fill the uncertainty in your mind.
The Alien, maybe, but who create the aliens? another alien, Okay, But who created the another alien? God the creator not anything resemble its creation. Eternal, the first, the last.
You see you are not happy to admit that you dont have the answer.
You know there is nothing that specifically says 'made by allah', if evolution happened to fail (which im sorry to say to you that it really hasnt) then you still have no ground to claim it was your god that made everything. You still havent disproved all natural possibilities, let alone provided evidence of supernatural creation.
If we see porche, we know that someone intelligent design and create it. A single cell is far more complex and advance than porche. So that means there is someone create and design it, which is God. Lifeform is to complex and well designed to came from random chance.
A porsche is not a reproducing organism, it is not affected by natural selection or genetic mutations.
Cells are organisms which self replicate and are FORCED to compete with each other due to environmental limits.
Only the best suited will live and pass on their genes. 3.5bn years of this competition will bring about a very complex cell, which you are suggesting existed from the very start??
Evolutionary theory does not claim ancient cells were ANYTHING like modern cells.
And last, Thank you so much Digitized. It very pleasant to share knowledge with you. But I should not use my office internet to many for youtube. I can get trouble from my boss. He received the report on how we use our internet each month. I should back to my flow cyclometri. May peace be with you.
Let the public decided that. There is no need to have a brain of rocket scientist to understand that evolution is wrong. The king doesn't wear any clothes, even a kid can understand that. But the high officer of the king because they have been deluted first, cannot see the fact. Familiar with the story? No evolutionist dare to confront HArun Yahya because actually they are scare.
Go to his website and look up his defitinion of a transitional fossil.
He has illustrations of what he will accept as SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.
He has a starfish...then a half starfish/half fish... then a fish.
He wants to see the half fish/half starfish as evidence of evolution!!!
He has not even bothered to read a biology book and learn about transitional forms. OR he is trying to mislead laymen into looking for the unfindable.
Kent hovind did the same trick, he asked his audiences if a dog had ever given birth to a cat... or if a cow ever gave birth to a whale.
This is DISHONEST, but it fools people who dont understand how evolution works. IT GOT ME 5 years ago.. i doubted it for this arguement. It was only because i doubted it so much that i read about it and ended up reading both sides, the science and the creation claims.
Luckily i was not religous and i didnt HAVE to accept that evolution cannot be true.
I was able to go to science books and websites and read in detail the processes involved.
What disturbed me was how the creationists NEVER explained the science in the same way the scientists did. They always edited the explanations in order to 'break them' and introduce 'flaws' and 'inconsitencies' so that they could tell their readers how broken the evolution theory was.
I saw creationists were actively LYING to their readers, EVEN using out of date books as evidence over newer data.
Yes the starfish picture is exageration. But there also a picture from fish starting to have leg until became reptile, which also in the darwins book.
No matter how much evidence i provided to you, nothing would ever satisfy your criteria for proof.
I could take you to a genetics lab where they can usa DNA to solve paternity cases, you would accept DNA works for that when its comparing relations based on how close their DNA matches.
But as soon as they compare the DNA of a chimpanzee or any other ape, revealing masses of identical unique genetic information you would just deny it all on principle. Have you ever looked at ERV's?
The human genome has 46 chromosomes, and apes have 48.
But these chromosomes are almost identical, and they reveal many instances of inheritance. Meaning the apes which came before humans and baboons etc passed on genes which are shared by ALL modern apes.
We share over 100,000 'Endogenous RetroViral' markers with ALL apes.
All humans and apes have these same insertions in identical places on their genome.
ERV's are viral insertions which never activated, but were copied in the germline.
So why do we share 100,000 viral markers with ALL humans and apes?
We know that we pass these on to our kids, we know all of our parents have them, we know all apes have them.
Its like inheriting a scar from your father.
You could tell exactly who his children were by seeing if they had this scar, only theres 100,000 of them to eliminate any chance of reasonable error.
There is no explantion for these other than inheritance, meaning we are RELATED to modern apes.
If the proofs you provides have nothing to do with spirits and 'souls' and men walking on water, or burning bushes, you will get nowhere.
Maybe you can include some deity, that craves for mens blood, and their 'unconditional' love to this deity. (Or else the men will burn in hell forever.)
Baconeater, I have been telling Theists that Atheism is not Evolution of any kind for a long time and they don't listen. I don't think they *can* hear it. Remember the AiG statement to reject any evidence that contradicts their beliefs right on the web site itself. "I can't HEAR YOU! LALALALALALA!"
Theory of evolution binds those branches of science (palaeontology, biochemistry, anatomy and genetics) together. Evidence from these different branches point to evolution.
The claim that there are no transitional fossils is simply laughable. Tiktaalik, Odontochelys, Ambulocetus, Archeopteryx, Onychonycteris.
Cambrian "explosion" was not a sudden event, it took 6 million years at minimum. And even after it no land animals or plants.
Mutations, with natural selection, have been observed to increase "information" in genome.
No scientist suggest that a modern cell emerged from inanimate matter. Evolution most definitely is not chance. Pathetic straw man.
Some irony: part of the music is from "contact", a movie based on a book written by atheist, where the main character is an atheist, and is played by atheist.
? the species in cambrian is already complex and rich compared to previous age which is only consist of single cells creature. That why it is call explosion
Species in the cambrian were much more complex than previous times, this is due to the quantity of oxygen in the atmosphere. Tiny bacteria had began to break down CO2, releasing abundant amounts of it.
Complex life is found in layers where iron ore is also rusted, the link is very clear to geologists that oxygen played a huge role in evolution on earth.
Cambrian creatures were not complex like modern ones, they were cold blooded, small brained, and ALL aquatic.
Archeopteryxt is a bird, it is not a translation form of reptile to bird. It is just bird which have teeth. Its bone is hollow just like bird, it is have chest bone which every bird have to attached their flying muscle. OOOOOh you soo ignorant
probokator: No, there are pre-cambrian explosion multicellural organisms.Again, the "explosion" was not sudden event but took millions of years.
Hollow bones? Dinosaurs had those too, and feathers too (for example Sinosauropteryx, Microraptor and Protarchaeopteryx).
Besides, Archeopteryx is just one bird transitional (found in 1861), now we have many other, like Pedopenna and Epidexipteryx, to name a few. Tell me when you catch up the 21st century.
bones. Birds, in contrast have hollow bones that are very light. Because if dinosaur dont have a solid bones, they cant support their body mass to walk or run in the land.
No, sorry, you are mistaken, not every dinosaurs had hollow bones, but some had. One example, Aerosteon riocoloradensis, a nine meter long theropod with non-solid bones. So, yes, they could support the weight.
And not just theropods, but sauropods and pterosaurs too.
Although they oddly have the genes for them which can be expressed in atavisms, google chicken teeth for more details.
Many feathered dinosaurs have also been discovered such as jurassic parks very own velociraptor which is now overwhelmingly accepted as a feathered dino.
It also appears in geologic layers ONLY prior to beaked, fully feathered varieties which make up the basis for todays species.
How could a velociraptor which is younger than archeopterix can be his ancestor? And there also Liaoningornis (a full fledged bird) which have no distingused characteristic compare to modern bird are older than archeopterix? And do you have a fossil of velociraptor with feather? Also archeopterix have stennum (breastbone) which is the characteristic of all today modern bird. And yes there are many other bird that have teeth but alrady extinct.
Atheism and evolution are two different things. Evolution is fact. If your religion can't accept evolution, your religion is phooey right from the beginning.
dont confuse creationism with the bible the bible is wrong
The Quran said 1400 years ago that the earth is egg shapped not flat. and it reffers to a ostrij egg(excuse my spelling) and the shape of a ostrij egg is geiod. Muslims were the first people to no that the earth is geiod, not to mention round,
The word Daha has the origins of "spread out, flatten" etc etc.
It referres to the flat land the ostrich egg is laid on, as it does not have a nest.
Every other verse regarding the earth directly or indirectly claims the earth is flat, by comparing it to a flat object and mentions changes that cannot take place on a spherical object.
The spherical earth was proven and calculated almost 800 years before the quran was written, that is not
I will refer you to the quranic claims that the earth was stretched out and pegged down with mountians...
78: 6-7
The earth is not egg shaped, even the tidal bulge (greatly exaggerated in school textbooks) is not visible, making the quranic claims false in every sense.
The earth is more mathematically sperical and smooth than a man made snooker ball even with the himalayas and grand canyon taken into account.
Aristarchus knew the earth was round over 1000 years before the quran - READ
Wherever did you get the idea that the Bible says the Earth is flat?
rosebeeh 1 year ago
How does an idea: "The existence of a god is unlikely given the absence of evidence"" How does it collapse ?
lizazoon 1 year ago
holy shit....i didn't know people were so ok with completely lying just to try and disprove evolution....
FullTimeGunner 2 years ago
Ugh... facepalm.
HomoCyborgZombie 2 years ago
'Collapse' of evolution ?
I thought things that collapses are those buildt on shaky grounds, or with rotten materials, or on lies and falsifies.
I think we can say, that in a not too distant future all religion will have collapsed.
BelieveNoGod 2 years ago
"Almost all of the basic categories in the animal world emerged all of the sudden in that early geological period. Living things from very different classes such as mollusks, vertebrates, arthopods, and echinoderms with their very different physical characteristics, emerged with their exceedingly complicated organs and systems all at once. This fact that emerges from the fossil record demolishes the theory of evolution and is proof of creation."
LOL
keep this stuff coming!
theclewis 2 years ago
"In short, science once again confirms the fact that God created all living things". LOL.
The only thing you get from this is ridicule.
Julianlosada 2 years ago
Harun Yahya -
An interior design dropout who claims he studied philosophy whilst on his 'art' course yet he holds NO qualifications.
He spent years in a mental institution before being released and founding his cult.
He convinced many rich turkish youths he was the mahdi (islamic messiah) and used their money to setup a criminal organisation which tried to overthrow the turkish government.
He and his group were charged with rape, kidnap, underage pornography and blackmail.
Nice guy!
digitised 2 years ago
Hmm, typical. Spread lie to make someone name bad. And you hope that if the name already bad the people will not believe in his work. Just download atlas of creation and read it! Then you will know that it is true
probokator 2 years ago
Harun yahya is no scientist, philosopher or intellectual. If you can prove otherwise i would be happy to see your evidence.
His organisation (BAF) has been over the turkish press in recent years along with their convictions for rape and blackmail.
Why dont you spend some time looking these things up rather than protecting a horrible criminal, just because he happens to support your religion (for his own gains).
digitised 2 years ago
He has formal philosophy education. he is drop out, but face book guy and bill gates also drop out. It doesnt mean they stupid. Many evolusionist also mason, they posses great position in secular turkey, they can do anything to make harun yahya look bad like mix heroin in his kebab. And then again just download the atlas and read it. I would love to read also delusion of god if they are not expensive. What are you afraid of?Is darwinism is yor religion that you so afraid in read opposite reading
probokator 2 years ago
He has no education in philosophy, he read some books on islam whilst at art college and formed a group where he met many people who funded him.
He has NO qualifications that can be found to prove his own claims of being an 'intellectual'. His own material supports this, he makes no effort to be academic or scientific, and i have read throuh many of his free ebooks and found absolutely laughable arguments in his work.
The fallacies he uses would not be used by any adept intellectual.
digitised 2 years ago
The god delusion is not expensive, you can pick it up for about £7 or less on ebay.
Ive not read it personally, im far more interested in religion than just reading mainstream books.
My girlfriend is muslim which is why i learn so much about religion, sadly i cannot buy into it because it is founded on so many faulty and unplausible foundations.
Darwinism is no religion, and i have no desire to want to accept it. It just happens to be the best explanation backed with evidence.
digitised 2 years ago
? First of all, there is no such thing as boyfriend-girlfriend in Islam, because it will get you near to adultery. Second a moslem girl cannot married to non moslem. So if she does all that, I deeply doubting her faith and her knowledge on Islam, which may make Islam look faulty to you. You accept it as best explaination but you are not accepting it???? If you accept it, you surely atheist because it doesnt believe any supranatural involve in the existance of living thing
probokator 2 years ago
She loves me and she wants to marry me.
There is no physical relationship because of her religious views if you must know.
She is very pious and wants me to convert, talking to her about history, science and all other things which stand against islam and religion in general....is basically like talking to a brick wall.
She will not discuss it with me, shes right im wrong.
Muslims are very arrogant in this way, pardon the generalisation. They can never see the flaws in their society.
digitised 2 years ago
Not gonna comment on this, because it is just your opinion without argument.
probokator 2 years ago
She loves me, thats something natural and clearly transcends what her god wants.
Her god would rather she was unhappy and miserable without me, marrying only a muslim, which she does not like because she does not want to be treated like an object.
Shes studied the koran her whole life, yet she is incapable of telling me 'why' she believes in islam. 'Why' she knows there is a god. There is no answer.
I do not believe because i dont know which god, or why. Because there is no evidence.
digitised 2 years ago
Ive studied a lot of christian history, a bit of jewish material, as well as zoroastrianism and greek mythology.
Also i have recently got into the pre biblical era, which was where your god (yahweh who is allah in the islamic sense) was one of several gods who created the earth and heavens.
He had a wife named asherah, and was eventually subjected to fervent fanatacism which lead to political wars and the rise of monotheism.
As a religious person you owe it to yourself to read on this.
digitised 2 years ago
Because the great judeo-christian-islamic god was once a part of polytheism.
History spells this out clearly, as well as the historical problem of jesus and the so called prophecies he fulfilled.
Jesus was no messiah, the writers of the gospels wanted to make him god by means of forgery and manipulation.
Jesus life in the bible was clearly fake set of tales, but yet islam accepts him as if he were a prophet. Mohammed relied on the antiquity of the bible to found his new religion of islam.
digitised 2 years ago
You keep throwing the red herrings. I can answer all your allegation, its all the classic one. But take to many comments. Beside we discuss about evolution here.
probokator 2 years ago
I would love for you to explain how mohammed revealed a book which could ONLY have come from god.
That means explain where he revealed information and facts that were simply not known about in those times.
Seriously i would like to know if any exist.
Because i have looked over so many of these claims and found all to be either horribly vague and contrived, or already known hundreds if not thousands of years beforehand.
It would prove that he wasnt making this all up from the bible.
digitised 2 years ago
Many muslims i have heard claim he never studied or encountered the bible due to his illiteracy.
But he fills the quran with reinterpreted biblical stories, even apocryphal jewish stories which even the jews say are nonsense (e.g queen of sheba meeting david).
He also mixes up the relations of biblical characters confusing brothers and uncles, and whole bloodlines of people.
Baby jesus even talks to mary...on the 1st day he was born. Even christians didnt go that crazy with the myths.
digitised 2 years ago
Throw red herrings again! I can answer it all but you out beyond topic here. You can email me directly on other subject. In this video we discuss about evolution
probokator 2 years ago
A red herring is a distraction normally used to hide the lack of an answer.
I havent used this as any form of distraction, this digression is validated since islam and the koran are the reason why evolution is not accepted by yourself and most muslims.
In fact i would say it is the only reason because it FLAT OUT contradicts the story of creation. Without this little story being true, your faith is no longer literal and is wide open to debate over its validity.
Is that fair to say?
digitised 2 years ago
That's fair, but it would open up a whole other discussion, to long for this limited youtube comments. For short, the God of abraham, david, moses and jesus is always the same one God. Its no suprising that all the religion have similiar stories but each story is not exactly the same. we moslem believe that jew and christian have made changes on their scripture.
probokator 2 years ago
Well only religions from the middle east share this god. Most stories have no common connection or theme, theres thousnds of them you can look at.
What does seem to hold is antiquity, old beliefs hold more value over the new.
Ezra who compiled genesis and the story of creation, was evidently fusing several popular myths together to create the garden of eden, clay men, the great flood etc
He trusted the stories which were passed down and tried to make them into one coherent story.
digitised 2 years ago
The atlas of creation gives absolutely no scientific data regarding its 350 million year old rabbit fossils, or 70 million year old antelopes.
There is no way to tell what samples these are, when they were dated, what methods were used, which lab tested them, what controls were applied, who verfied them, etc
The book is silent on its sources apart from giving some vague descriptions of when or where the fossils were apparently found. Theres nothing to stop him just making it up for laymen.
digitised 2 years ago
He use carbon dating and geological stratum
probokator 2 years ago
Carbon dating can only date objects up to 60,000 years.
How did he get 70m year old rabbits from carbon dates?
And i doubt he used stratum since he'd find the rabbits with the dinosaurs, if that was the case then all the christian creationists would be raging about the invalidity of the geologic column and the order of species and dates in the rocks.
digitised 2 years ago
I also think that tiktaalik is forgery. But it's wrong to accuse without proof. You shouldn't either. So how to solve this? Let there be debate between Harun Yahya and Dawkins. Both should bring their fossil to be checked. That would be fair. But Dawkins have swear that he would not confront creationist. Is there any other scientist that you think could represent evolutionist?
probokator 2 years ago
Harun Yahya is not a scientist, he has shown many times that he clearly doesnt even understand evolution or science.
He has done nothing but undermined academics who have spent their entire lives trying to explain nature with evidence and scientific methodology.
He has NO place in science, and giving him the stage tells the public that science is somehow 'wrong' or 'guilty' when infact it is merely being attacked by religious funadmentalists with views that ARE NOT scientific.
digitised 2 years ago
The tactic of creationists for over 40 years has been to get in the public eye as much as possible.
Their tactic is to create an illusion of doubt, where in fact there is none.
There is no great scientific doubt about evolution, 99% of learned biologists accept it as an overwhelming fact, and as of yet no evidence has been presented which contradricts evolution.
There are SOO many falsificiations which could be used, but out of 100m species, not one falls outside of evolutionary theory.
digitised 2 years ago
There is not one peice of evidence for creation. There is only an attack on evolution.
As if disproving evolution...proves creation.
Think about that.
digitised 2 years ago
If suddenly many species emerged in their full perfect complex system, which all look like to have been DESIGNED to best suit their life, without any gradual process, of COURSE it proves creation
probokator 2 years ago
Well firstly no creature has been found to have appeared without any ancestry, all life on earth shares genetic information which relates across species.
If we were not interrelated there would be no purpose in this.
The human genome is 95% redundant DNA, why is that? What was gods purpose? Why do we have genes for full thick body hair, tails and multiple variations of organs, bones and other physical features?
Evidently it says...we once had these...now they are disabled.
digitised 2 years ago
What is the proff? Dog is always dog, human is always human. They dont have ancestor. Every species is created uniquely, best suited for them. 95% redundant? Like vestigial organ which the list is continue to decreased, once called un-use organ is actually an organ we havent found its function due to our limited knowledge. DNA? You can't even see DNA, our knowledge on dna is still so young. How can you be so sure 95% of it doesnt have purpose. How arrogant
probokator 2 years ago
You can see DNA... 3 billion base pairs have been decoded within the human genome. Over 180 species have so far been mapped. Did you not know about this???
I can also tell you that my wisdom teeth hurt like mad, my jaw is too small for them, just like most of the human population has this problem.
Look at apes, they have THE SAME teeth as us, and larger jaws.
Older skulls from past homonids also confirm our shrinking jaw. Teeth are also unique to all other species, yet we have ape teeth..
digitised 2 years ago
I'm try to hold myself from commenting. Because I should not open youtube in office. But this is just ridicolus. Sir, I work in Molecular Marker Lab. We mapping Oil Palm genes. We CAN'T SEE DNA LIKE WE SEE BACTERIA UNDER MICROSCOP. We can only see it like we see negatif photo or like a barcode pattern.
probokator 2 years ago
I did not mean you could physically look at genes under a microscope, but chromosomes are perfectly visible with electron microscopes and they are themselves the wound twines of DNA.
We have studied this for over 60 years and know a lot about it.
Do you actually have a background in genetics and science, or do you just happen to have a job in a lab?
digitised 2 years ago
I had to go back and find this quote -
'our knowledge on dna is still so young. How can you be so sure 95% of it doesnt have purpose. How arrogant '
I know its junk because several studies with mice have shown that removing the junk DNA does not cause any detectable problems with the mice.
The only practical benefit of having junk dna is that it bulks out your genome making you less likely to have the 'critical' parts of the germline damaged by viral attacks.
Google atavisms too.
digitised 2 years ago
And you missed the point.
If evolution is wrong, that doesnt mean life was created by God.
Life could appear by other processes, non intelligent natural methods.
Something we have missed, or do not understand.
It is purely ignorant to dismiss all other possibilities and presume it happens to just be one god...and you know his name... and its allah...or krishna...or zues...or jesus....or any other god lable you can come up with to fill the uncertainty in your mind.
There is NO signature.
digitised 2 years ago
Even if creation was the only explanation...you still dont have any clues about the creator.
Was it an alien, was it your god, or was it an infinite number of other gods that have already been or will be made up?
You have got nothing but faith.
digitised 2 years ago
The Alien, maybe, but who create the aliens? another alien, Okay, But who created the another alien? God the creator not anything resemble its creation. Eternal, the first, the last.
probokator 2 years ago
You see you are not happy to admit that you dont have the answer.
You know there is nothing that specifically says 'made by allah', if evolution happened to fail (which im sorry to say to you that it really hasnt) then you still have no ground to claim it was your god that made everything. You still havent disproved all natural possibilities, let alone provided evidence of supernatural creation.
digitised 2 years ago
If we see porche, we know that someone intelligent design and create it. A single cell is far more complex and advance than porche. So that means there is someone create and design it, which is God. Lifeform is to complex and well designed to came from random chance.
probokator 2 years ago
A porsche is not a reproducing organism, it is not affected by natural selection or genetic mutations.
Cells are organisms which self replicate and are FORCED to compete with each other due to environmental limits.
Only the best suited will live and pass on their genes. 3.5bn years of this competition will bring about a very complex cell, which you are suggesting existed from the very start??
Evolutionary theory does not claim ancient cells were ANYTHING like modern cells.
digitised 2 years ago
And last, Thank you so much Digitized. It very pleasant to share knowledge with you. But I should not use my office internet to many for youtube. I can get trouble from my boss. He received the report on how we use our internet each month. I should back to my flow cyclometri. May peace be with you.
probokator 2 years ago
Let the public decided that. There is no need to have a brain of rocket scientist to understand that evolution is wrong. The king doesn't wear any clothes, even a kid can understand that. But the high officer of the king because they have been deluted first, cannot see the fact. Familiar with the story? No evolutionist dare to confront HArun Yahya because actually they are scare.
probokator 2 years ago
Harun Yahya doesnt understand what evolution is.
Go to his website and look up his defitinion of a transitional fossil.
He has illustrations of what he will accept as SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.
He has a starfish...then a half starfish/half fish... then a fish.
He wants to see the half fish/half starfish as evidence of evolution!!!
He has not even bothered to read a biology book and learn about transitional forms. OR he is trying to mislead laymen into looking for the unfindable.
digitised 2 years ago
Kent hovind did the same trick, he asked his audiences if a dog had ever given birth to a cat... or if a cow ever gave birth to a whale.
This is DISHONEST, but it fools people who dont understand how evolution works. IT GOT ME 5 years ago.. i doubted it for this arguement. It was only because i doubted it so much that i read about it and ended up reading both sides, the science and the creation claims.
Luckily i was not religous and i didnt HAVE to accept that evolution cannot be true.
digitised 2 years ago
I was able to go to science books and websites and read in detail the processes involved.
What disturbed me was how the creationists NEVER explained the science in the same way the scientists did. They always edited the explanations in order to 'break them' and introduce 'flaws' and 'inconsitencies' so that they could tell their readers how broken the evolution theory was.
I saw creationists were actively LYING to their readers, EVEN using out of date books as evidence over newer data.
digitised 2 years ago
Yes the starfish picture is exageration. But there also a picture from fish starting to have leg until became reptile, which also in the darwins book.
probokator 2 years ago
And we have all kinds of fish dead and living which show this transition.
There are walking catfish, lungfish and other amphibious creatures which exist in shallow water.
The problem is you will never be convinced by ANY transition, because you dont understand what one really is or the significance of minor adaptions.
You even claim tiktaalik is a hoax...i mean seriously are you suggesting scientists are conspiring against the god they 'know' exists?
digitised 2 years ago
No matter how much evidence i provided to you, nothing would ever satisfy your criteria for proof.
I could take you to a genetics lab where they can usa DNA to solve paternity cases, you would accept DNA works for that when its comparing relations based on how close their DNA matches.
But as soon as they compare the DNA of a chimpanzee or any other ape, revealing masses of identical unique genetic information you would just deny it all on principle. Have you ever looked at ERV's?
digitised 2 years ago
The human genome has 46 chromosomes, and apes have 48.
But these chromosomes are almost identical, and they reveal many instances of inheritance. Meaning the apes which came before humans and baboons etc passed on genes which are shared by ALL modern apes.
We share over 100,000 'Endogenous RetroViral' markers with ALL apes.
All humans and apes have these same insertions in identical places on their genome.
ERV's are viral insertions which never activated, but were copied in the germline.
digitised 2 years ago
So why do we share 100,000 viral markers with ALL humans and apes?
We know that we pass these on to our kids, we know all of our parents have them, we know all apes have them.
Its like inheriting a scar from your father.
You could tell exactly who his children were by seeing if they had this scar, only theres 100,000 of them to eliminate any chance of reasonable error.
There is no explantion for these other than inheritance, meaning we are RELATED to modern apes.
digitised 2 years ago
You are soo right.
If the proofs you provides have nothing to do with spirits and 'souls' and men walking on water, or burning bushes, you will get nowhere.
Maybe you can include some deity, that craves for mens blood, and their 'unconditional' love to this deity. (Or else the men will burn in hell forever.)
THEN you will get their attention.
BelieveNoGod 2 years ago
God bless soteriology ; )
digitised 2 years ago
what a pack of blatant, ignorant lies (referring to the video)...
ObsidianStout 2 years ago
Baconeater, I have been telling Theists that Atheism is not Evolution of any kind for a long time and they don't listen. I don't think they *can* hear it. Remember the AiG statement to reject any evidence that contradicts their beliefs right on the web site itself. "I can't HEAR YOU! LALALALALALA!"
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
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Audreyfrgto 2 years ago
This is moronic.
CaptMaxPruss 2 years ago
Theory of evolution binds those branches of science (palaeontology, biochemistry, anatomy and genetics) together. Evidence from these different branches point to evolution.
The claim that there are no transitional fossils is simply laughable. Tiktaalik, Odontochelys, Ambulocetus, Archeopteryx, Onychonycteris.
Cambrian "explosion" was not a sudden event, it took 6 million years at minimum. And even after it no land animals or plants.
Saukko31 2 years ago
Mutations, with natural selection, have been observed to increase "information" in genome.
No scientist suggest that a modern cell emerged from inanimate matter. Evolution most definitely is not chance. Pathetic straw man.
Some irony: part of the music is from "contact", a movie based on a book written by atheist, where the main character is an atheist, and is played by atheist.
Saukko31 2 years ago 2
The cambrian is most commonly dated to be a 20-30 million year peroid in geology.
Humans evolved from old world apes in only 7 million years.
Some sudden little explosion hey?
digitised 2 years ago
? the species in cambrian is already complex and rich compared to previous age which is only consist of single cells creature. That why it is call explosion
probokator 2 years ago
Species in the cambrian were much more complex than previous times, this is due to the quantity of oxygen in the atmosphere. Tiny bacteria had began to break down CO2, releasing abundant amounts of it.
Complex life is found in layers where iron ore is also rusted, the link is very clear to geologists that oxygen played a huge role in evolution on earth.
Cambrian creatures were not complex like modern ones, they were cold blooded, small brained, and ALL aquatic.
No land mammals...
digitised 2 years ago
Archeopteryxt is a bird, it is not a translation form of reptile to bird. It is just bird which have teeth. Its bone is hollow just like bird, it is have chest bone which every bird have to attached their flying muscle. OOOOOh you soo ignorant
probokator 2 years ago
probokator: No, there are pre-cambrian explosion multicellural organisms.Again, the "explosion" was not sudden event but took millions of years.
Hollow bones? Dinosaurs had those too, and feathers too (for example Sinosauropteryx, Microraptor and Protarchaeopteryx).
Besides, Archeopteryx is just one bird transitional (found in 1861), now we have many other, like Pedopenna and Epidexipteryx, to name a few. Tell me when you catch up the 21st century.
Saukko31 2 years ago
no dinosaurs had thick, solid, heavy
bones. Birds, in contrast have hollow bones that are very light. Because if dinosaur dont have a solid bones, they cant support their body mass to walk or run in the land.
probokator 2 years ago
No, sorry, you are mistaken, not every dinosaurs had hollow bones, but some had. One example, Aerosteon riocoloradensis, a nine meter long theropod with non-solid bones. So, yes, they could support the weight.
And not just theropods, but sauropods and pterosaurs too.
Saukko31 2 years ago
Birds DONT have teeth.
Although they oddly have the genes for them which can be expressed in atavisms, google chicken teeth for more details.
Many feathered dinosaurs have also been discovered such as jurassic parks very own velociraptor which is now overwhelmingly accepted as a feathered dino.
It also appears in geologic layers ONLY prior to beaked, fully feathered varieties which make up the basis for todays species.
digitised 2 years ago
How could a velociraptor which is younger than archeopterix can be his ancestor? And there also Liaoningornis (a full fledged bird) which have no distingused characteristic compare to modern bird are older than archeopterix? And do you have a fossil of velociraptor with feather? Also archeopterix have stennum (breastbone) which is the characteristic of all today modern bird. And yes there are many other bird that have teeth but alrady extinct.
probokator 2 years ago
Velociraptors are not ancestors of archeopterix, they were just feathered dinosaurs. Archeopterix is from a different linneage.
And yes there are spine markings in rocks which confirm feathers on raptors, you can google this up if you dont believe me, there are pictures of it.
Archeo is the ancestor of modern birds, so it explains why it shares characteristics with them.
And yes birds went from teeth to beaks as the evolved. Teeth are great on land, but not so good for birds though.
digitised 2 years ago
Atheism and evolution are two different things. Evolution is fact. If your religion can't accept evolution, your religion is phooey right from the beginning.
baconeater 2 years ago
they spent 300 years rejecting that the earth wasn't flat, its not going to be any different this time round.
godlessmessiah 2 years ago
lol yh that was from the bible
dont confuse creationism with the bible the bible is wrong
The Quran said 1400 years ago that the earth is egg shapped not flat. and it reffers to a ostrij egg(excuse my spelling) and the shape of a ostrij egg is geiod. Muslims were the first people to no that the earth is geiod, not to mention round,
daniel5118 2 years ago
the ostrich egg claim was proven wrong long ago.
The word Daha has the origins of "spread out, flatten" etc etc.
It referres to the flat land the ostrich egg is laid on, as it does not have a nest.
Every other verse regarding the earth directly or indirectly claims the earth is flat, by comparing it to a flat object and mentions changes that cannot take place on a spherical object.
The spherical earth was proven and calculated almost 800 years before the quran was written, that is not
godlessmessiah 2 years ago
I will refer you to the quranic claims that the earth was stretched out and pegged down with mountians...
78: 6-7
The earth is not egg shaped, even the tidal bulge (greatly exaggerated in school textbooks) is not visible, making the quranic claims false in every sense.
The earth is more mathematically sperical and smooth than a man made snooker ball even with the himalayas and grand canyon taken into account.
Aristarchus knew the earth was round over 1000 years before the quran - READ
digitised 2 years ago