La mayoría de los practicantes de artes marciales estáis aún encorsetados por los sistemas y estilos. Yo me considero un practicante de Wing Tsun porque sigo sus principios, pero utilizo lo que necesite para ser eficaz sin negar en ningún momento su origen, sea del estilo que sea. ¿El Jiu Jitsu brasileño? Sí, es el mejor estilo de suelo que existe. Yo lo utilizo, pero sigo peleando utilizando mayoritariamente el Wing Tsun. El vídeo del reto es de los años 90. Hoy, tardaría menos aún en vencer.
A ver si tenéis un pelín de cultura e inteligencia y aprendéis a leer. ¿Dónde pone que se utilicen técnicas de Wing Tsun? Pone "Enfrentamiento en El Ejido entre un practicante de wing tsun y otro de full contact." De todas formas, ningún sistema se desarrolló de la nada, sin influencia de otras cosas. Y tampoco se desarrollaron en un día por generación espontánea, sino que fueron evolucionanado. El Wing Tsun es un sistema vivo. Ya hacían suelo cuando empecé a practicarlo "HACE 24 AÑOS".
Cada vez que un mastro de WT pelea en realidad cae al suelo, luego dicen por zquí que son técnicas de WT, que poca vergüenza. Como el alemán y el chino pega mujeres engaño a la mitad de la comunidad marcial vendiendo un sistema de humo que se basa en agredir al que esta quieto pero cuando la cosa aprieta se agrran y todos los buenos han practicado mucho de lucha. Luego meten miedo a sus alumnos con leyendas de desafios de Emian Y Victor que nadie grabo
QUE ESTUPIDES... ¿Que reglamento fue? Si fue sin reglas hubiera bastado un predio abandonado o un campo de futbol llanero, al fin que paresen pandilleros....!!
@abner0fedor esa llave al cuello es muy comun en wing tsun de hecho todas las llaves del mundo lo son.solo porque son realizadas en el piso no quiere decir q no sea wing tsun.si la pelea es de pie la gente dice es wing tsun si la pelea va al piso la gente dice es jiu jitsu.lo cual es ridiculo porq ambos sistemas tienen combate en el piso y de pie . uno puede hacer wing tsun parado,de pie,adrentro de un auto,en el medio del mar y tirandose en un paracaidas si se respetan los principios es WT
!º; las pocas peleas reales de practicantes de WT que hay en la red acaban muy rápidas en el suelo, solo hay que mirar al super mega maestre sifu EMIN BOZTEPE vs WILLIAN CHUN.
2º; WT de Leu Ting cogió cosas de otras artes marciales para enriquecer el WT tales como escrima y Brazilian jiu jutsu
3º Cualquier maestro de brazilian , judo o greco con ver ese vídeo para saber que el luchador de WT ha entrenado bastante suelo y no es suelo de WT.
@piowyy yo pratique boxeo judo taekwondo kick boxing y tambien wing tsun y todo lo que se ve en el video puede ser tranquilamente wing tsun ya qe este se rige por principios...ademas siguiendo las formas propias del wing tsun se pueden crear infinidad de llaves solo hay que conocer las verdaderas fuentes de esos movimientos y entrenarlos...pasan y pasan los años y uno no deja se sorprenderse de la complejidad de las formas son realmente brillantes
no debes de llamar esto wing tsun porque el no uso ningona tecnica de wingstun para ganarle. Solamente pro que el practica wingstun no tiene que ser nada con que lo que el iso.
Bruce Lee is not the father of MMA, lol. He was a great fighter for his time. He would not be amazing in MMA. Wing Tsun is a great striking art, I learned it and it is great against most striking styles because when you step in close (wing tsuns homeground) other styles go out the window, they dont know what to do. Excellent example. No style is perfect, it is all about the practitioner.
this is excatly what wing chun is about, get in fast and get in to an advantageous postition, then keep hitting till he stops moving lol. Its not pretty, but it's effective and people don't expect it
i it when im sparing with some1 in M.A. i always end up being in a ground fighting position, its just not right,,, except when my opponent is a good looking female :)
Here's my thoughts: WC against an average attacker (basically someone who knows little fighting) is very effective, especially if you surprise them. Going at it with a trained fighter in a ring, you have to know a combination of things. My big beef with all striking arts is you cannot wail full force on your partner. In JJ you can employ 90% of what u learn so you can get good at it.
That REALLY looked like wing chun. Wow. If the wing chun fighter loses they say he wasn't a good wing chun practitioner...if he wins using ground fighting or any other shit that doesn't look like wing chun...they say "Yes...wing chun is awesome". I have yet to see a wing chun figher fight a real fight....and win...and it looks like what they practice. Never.
The guy who is supposed to be doing BJJ does not do BJJ. He didn't do anything once he got mounted, which is pretty basic white belt stuff. He tried classic stuff you see when non-grapplers who don't know what they're doing get mounted (the whole throw your feet around his torso and try to pull him back thing). Looks like a wing chun vs wing chun video where one guy is pretending to be a BJJ guy.
Good untill 0:37.after this why he went the fight down.Supose cause the other was ignorant in grappling but if he werent?There is no thing such as typical wc guilotine!!!
@WingTsunPanda you are as subtle as a rhino :D probably cuz u have the brains of your average wing chun crap naive. I am not a sifu nor I do I have wasted decades of my life on one thing only, such as a martial art, let alone a FAKE martial art, like wing chun, and STILL I CAN DO EVERYTHING this guy is supposed to be doing in this vide BETTER THAN HIM! this is what u get from training in fake martial arts: you become nothing but a very good joke :))
@DrAndreiPopescu 7 to 10 people in every martial art are average and down.That happens in life.There is no top martial art but appliers.U must be young from your words but if u love martial arts soon u will anderstand.Peace and hope u train in one..
@dlvt79 quite! but I'd rather spend one year to become average in let's say bjj than 10 to be average in wing tsun or a lifetime to be average in MMA ! (especially by using wing chun).
I maybe very young but more than 90% of wing chunners are naives who don't know what fighting is!
@DrAndreiPopescu Andrei in one year in every art u r not average.U r beginner.Martial arts demand many working hours and experiences.Also fighting skill is not going together with the knowledges in ma.U can hit in a street fight someone without know ma.There is a great culture behind ma.Is not trade for me but a way of life.Nice to talk to u...
@dlvt79 I'd take fighting skills before "martial arts knowledge" anytime, if that makes me more functional. if I can defend myself using BJJ against a bigger more trained guy with 10 times less the hours he put in, than BJJ is superior to whatever he is doing, be it muai thay, kyokushin, boxing, wing chun, guitar hero, I don't care!
to dedicate one's life in just training in MA seems like a huge waste, if u're not earning your living off that. I'd rather do smth productive!
@DrAndreiPopescu There is no such thing as superior ma.It is the fighter.And u can not be skilled with 2 or 3 years of training in BJJ.Maybe u get lucky sometimes but...Anyway people train in ma for various reasons.Most of them is not doing it for money profits.It is wrong way to see it like that.Think what u do in your life in general..Watch tv,serf in net,dance to the club ,eat specific and do specific things.U earn money of all that?I dont think so.
@dlvt79 yes, but dude, the reasons why we pick up martial arts, u can' t argue with me here, are way more different than those for which we go do the club or watch certain tv shows. it's even very different than the reasons why we do various other sports. right ?
I'm telling you, after 2 years of decent BJJ I can MORE EASILY defend against a bigger guy, even against a good fighter, compared to what anyone can do after 2 years of most of anything else. that's my point !
@DrAndreiPopescu I train GUITAR HERO in a week, and I'm MORE EASILY beat Fedor or anyone in the ufc, that's my point!! Seriously, either you post your 'BJJ' fight against that bigger guy, hulk, gorilla or whatever to back up your statement or stop whining on EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN wing chun videos in EXISTENCE!! regards,
@gemboz sorry the few street fights I had vs bigger guys weren't filmed and the ones in bjj tournaments are within my weight class, but if you have a problem with me making fun commenting on most wing chun videos around, u can just suck it cuz I don't see why I should care about what some dumb ass fake martial arts fans think! still I'm hoping that some kids who consider taking WC might read this and at least think twice before doing it :) so there might be some actual good out of this :))
@DrAndreiPopescu Maybe it just me, but practitioner like you that make me HATE 'bjj' more and more.
You're not gonna win anyone's heart with this attitude.
I prefer to train in judo or sambo for grappling. Their practitioners are cool and humble and I respect them. They kill bjj on regular basis and they don't even need to tell everyone how T3H D34DLY their style on EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN WING CHUN videos in existence for god's sake!!
@DrAndreiPopescu "still I'm hoping that some kids who consider taking WC might read this and at least think twice before doing it :) so there might be some actual good out of this"
That's why I keep arguing with bullshit martial artists. I hope I can keep someone from making the same mistakes I've made.
@gemboz "post your 'BJJ' fight against that bigger guy, hulk, gorilla or whatever to back up your statement or stop whining"
UFC 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Oh yeah, the entire history of fighting over the last 20 years. I'd start with the first 10 UFCs though. It's very valuable empirical evidence on what happens in a no-rules fight between martial artists of different backgrounds.
@Ljenkins9000 You missed the point. I asked popescu to post his fight cause it seems that he has the biggest mouth around here, and as I guess, he came up with that lame excuse.
@gemboz My point still stands. I've rolled with much bigger people who were less skilled grapplers and tapped them out. That's normal in BJJ. It's not like he's saying that he's done something that's rare or unusual.
I don't know whether to "like" this video cuz it brings just one more evidence, apart from the million existent already, that WING CHUN is worthless as a fighting style or to "dislike" it cuz of the way these 2 girls pretend to fight. it's just embarrassing !
@DrAndreiPopescu There is A LOT of worthless WC teachers out there who don't know how to fight.But until you spar with one who does know how to fight,you'll always have a closed mind,your loss,not mine,good day
@OakIslandBandit just ONCE I would like to see a video of a WC vs an MMA or grappler, both having equivalent experience! maybe then I will have something to open my mind to. until then I think that giving WC more attention than to have a laugh once a week would be a waste of time!
@DrAndreiPopescu Why don't you just go to a WC/WT/VT school? I can put you on some guys who can,and like to fight,but you got to go to the right ones,don't judge it by youtube,a lot SLUGs here.The Chinese mindset in Yip Man(Ip Man) guarded the system (like many others) until bruce Lee went against Yip Mans wishes and taught westerns.Yip wouldn't teach Bruce anymore,he handed him off to one of his top students.WC is just a tool,like BJJ,it has it's limitations
the fight would of ended long time when it hit the floor if he knew bjj. dont get me wrong, i love wing chun.. but the ground isn't wing chun territory
@LOLittleHero " but the ground isn't wing chun territory".Of course it's not.It's sad that I see so many MMA guys who are obsessed to down WC.Samuel Kwok & Carlson Gracie work together and recognize the strengths and weaknesses of their systems,just as MMA fighters evolved to blend MT to their ground game because they lack striking skills.Now you can debate till your blue in the face if WC is better for stand up than MT,they both are great,stop wasting ur time with BS bickering,Kwok & Gracie did
@moos14 "alright,i practice mma and muay thai,and these guys just suck sooo bad.
"Sigh".You're probably too young to remember Ajarn Chai Sirisute,he was responsible for introducing Muay Thai to the United States long before western people saw it in "bloodsport".The BEST thing (for public view) is that pioneers such as Sirisute, Dan Inosanto,Francis Fong,last but not least,Bruce Lee worked together and saw that these styles complimented each other,they are true MMA,not what you see in the ring
estaria bien poner un video de como defenderse de una tecnica asi... porque en muchas peleas callejeras uno se pone encima i seria interesante saber como librarse, quien sabe talvez nos seria util ;)
@dlvt79 you mean those WC jerks we fight on the ground in our system the ground fight is fully integrated , the WC losers claim a god fighter never lands on the ground. only someone who never had a real fight on the street can claim nonsense like that
@GonG108 I am not sure if i anderstood you but what i meant is the concept of wc is not trying to grapple but hit.We dont go the fight to the ground.I didnt said that never happens but normally not from the part of the wc fighter.Imagine get down and a second one kick u in the head!!!!
@dlvt79 it is better when you are prepared for all situations , to hope that you are better skilled then your opponent means you don t have everything under control when it comes to that case , in my training we always finish with ground fight and even on the ground you can control bigger , havier and stronger opponents if you are skilled in the techn. why not learn it ? better be prepared for all situations .
@GonG108 I am with u.I agree.I didnt say dont learn antigrappling.I said a wc fighter would not go by himself the fight down,but he sure must know what to do if that happens.About the fight between emin and chung i think there is a big diference of the level.Emin is far better than Chung.
@dlvt79 at that time emin was a second technician degree and chung claimed to be the king of kung fu , he also claimed he would fight everyone , every time and every where , he only got what a big mouth deserves ,
i know someone who beat emin and guess where and who it is ?
it was sifu salih avci and he beat him on the ground since then they do not talk with each other .
if you go to a boztepe school you will see they do a lot of ground fight
@GonG108 I can't tell who is better but also u can't judje someone from one fight.I can only see the general view through their work.Anyway it is not the point which master is the best but what each offers in the art and what is the level of their student.I mean the fact that your sifu or mine are so good that doesnt make us also that good i suppose..
@dlvt79 i´m with you on tht point , salihs way to teach is to show it , i mean he does not talk very much, i am sorry but my english is not that good to explain what i exactly mean , in german it would be easy in english i am searching for the words to explain , take a look at him thats all i can say
@GonG108 I saw some vid and he is quite impressive!I like that he is dynamic and also not big guy(with muscles).The other (sifu Pfaff)is a little far for my taste(Little sawman with high kicks and funny dressing)but he is also look relaxed and good.Check also sifu Tassos.He is also quite impressive.Keep training..Peace
@GonG108 Anyway i am glad that i met one student of sifu salih avci.I have heard good things for his capabilities.Could u send me a link to see some vids.Does he have?I am in the organisation of sifu tassos and i heard that emin and your sifu are close to the basic concept.
@dlvt79 oh yes he is , i can only say that we all admire him , when he left the ewto in the late 90´s there was a conflict and emin called kernspecht to throw him out but this was the biggest mistake sigung kernspecht could do he lost his best man and with him all the police special forces , i remember that day not even on deciple remained at the ewto. there are videos about him just type avci wing tsun and you will find them , the other one who is really very good is sifu heinrich pfaff
@GonG108 For example in this video wc man try to grapple but he diidnt try to chain punch him in the neck or face.That is normal because is a friendly fight.But also that is the reason that fight went to the ground.If i dont hit i must grapple.
@dlvt79 i know , chain punches are most of the time enough but you never now where you get attaked , my sifu ( sifu salih avci ) is a very expierenced fighter he had over 600 real fights on the street and his experience led him to invent the WT anti ground fight , it is a fairy tale that you never go to the ground , in my own street experience i had the luck to be on solid ground i only had to give them a front kick and 3 or 4 chain punches but you never know how skilled is your opponend
@dlvt79 the wt anti grappling techn.are good but if you have a good wrestler and he is just a bit faster then you , you go down , or you can slip or what ever , you have to be able to fight with the wt principles in the vertikal and horizontal position there is no big difference only that it takes far more power to control someone one the ground . do you remember the famous fight between emin boztepe and william chung he lost after a view seconds on the ground (emin was 2t.d./ chung - master)
THe one on the ground obviously dont know what to do. He just had to go up with his hips and twist and the WC guy would fall off as the WC guy also dont know what he s doing.
Todo bien... pero me hubiese gustado ver algo mas tradicional, demasiado piso, ademas no se aprecia el nivel de los dos en el mano a mano, si uno directamente hace summision.
Lo que sea, sera que a mi el JJ y el MMA no me gustan nada.
No es esa la filosofia del wingTsun que he visto defender a muchos practicantes de esa arte marcial. ( Muchos, defensores del Wt como el Anti suelo o Anti Jiujitsu)
En cualquier caso prefiero la tuya. ( Aunque se parezca exactamente a la del MMA)
Estoy totalmente con RaulGuerrero80. Eso es JiuJitsu puro, no tiene nada de wingtsun. Desde cuando en el wingtsun hacen suelo. Si de verdad pretendia defender su arte marcial, lo que a echo es dejarla en evidencia.
Cuando daba clases de WT, de cada 5 clases, en 2 hacíamos suelo. Es decir, intentas reducir a tu compañero, librarte de sus presas, defenderte desde el suelo de gente que quiere patearte, de hecho, hay muchos ejercicios que suponen la ultima parte del vídeo, estando arriba o estando abajo. Dejarlo en evidencia? mas bien creo que demuestra que el WT no es sólo puños en cadena. El buen luchador de WT no tiene forma ni estilo caracteristico, se adapta, si tiene que usar grappling, se usa
@Lktrod I guess I COULD CHOOSE not to care myself :D but I really am a doctor. how much credibility can u have with limps all the time, bruises on you, black eyes and such ? :D
IMHO hardcore striking is for young people! kids even...
Pues si no hay técnica no hay nada. Yo practico Jiu-jitsu y MMA y lo que ha hecho en este vídeo el de wing tsun es puro jiu-jitsu...no hay nada de wing tsun. Si el luchador de Full Contact hubiese sido bueno, técnico y rudo y el de wing Tsun sólo hubiese usado su arte marcial...las cosas hubiesen sido muy distintas. Es mi humilde opinión. Un saludo.
Tanto wing tsun para acabar ganando a golpes en una montada d MMA, no ha hecho absolutamente nada de wing tsun. Y el de full contact es malo malo malo..
@RaulGuerrero80 se not ak no conoses wing tsun lo denosotros no es TECNICA son CONCEPTOS y estuvieron muy bien aplicados y si es malo o bueno el practicante de full contact no se sabe pork él practicante de wing tsun no lo djeo hacer nada que es otra cosa. saludos
@RaulGuerrero80 se not ak no conoses wing tsun lo denosotros no es TECNICA son CONCEPTOS y estuvieron muy bien aplicados y si es malo o bueno el practicante de full contact no se sabe pork él practicante de wing tsun no lo djeo hacer nada que es otra cosa. saludos
@countryaniac & @Funky1156 We do have takedowns and grappling in WT. It is just not what we do most. :) We do best standing. Hehe. I wouldnt start grappling a BJJ guy though. :)
I think he went for the take down fast because he thought he was outmatched standing. I think so too, good thinking. Looking at the other dudes conditioning I would say he had the advantage. He's definitely got more flexibility and he has intensity. The guy in black was closing the gap so that he would not get kicked in the head!
that's quality WC right there, it is: way to jump into the fight like a ram, then way to get into the clinch and go for a guillotine (typical WC) then when that fails, take the mount in a classical WC manner and go for the ground and pound! thank GOT that we have wing chun to teach us these unique skills not to be found in any other style !!! (I hope the sarcasm is not to subtle)
@DrAndreiPopescu Yes maybe - but watch the very start of the fight - that is the moment at which the wing chun guy won it. He got in close and it was all over. He could have put a knife hand straight into the full contact guys throat - but obviously that is not on. It then degenerates to grappling, but the fight was already over.
@Toby1Idler yup, that is the part where, after such a long and exhausting fight, he comes to terms with the fact that wing chun is either shit or he just didn't get the hang of it and he decides to go all girlie style on the other even more pathetic poor schmuck. still I guess this is some great grappling from a wing chung's point of view, I bet he's even proud of himself (still being sarcastic, everybody, please get this and bitch like a girl if u're wing chun or laugh out loud if u're real MA)
@DrAndreiPopescu What you know of Wing Chun you've learned from the internet."way to jump into the fight like a ram".Thats good WC,built into the system,what you've seen is so many WC people who didn't use this(most have not been taught) because for hundreds of years ground fighting in China was sport,combat arts focused on the battlefield."clinch and go for a guillotine",anyone can do that,in combat,without backup,that will get you hammered like camel shit.
@OakIslandBandit is that personal experience u are talking about or is it more like video game experience ? cuz what everybody can learn by watching ANYBODY doing wing chun is that that shit has nothing to do with fighting, maybe with the fine arts or smth... maybe u need to train a little in real combat martial arts and even cross train with grappling/mma/such to see that a good guillotine can ALWAYS put you in a lot of trouble! not the one that we see here though... oh no ! this one is shit!
@DrAndreiPopescu I starting wrestling,1978 in high school,boxing in 1980,1983 Judo in the Army,HapKido 1982-1983 in Korea.In 1985 I started traning in Bak Mei Kung Fu which I have stayed with since.1989 I took up Wing Chun under Ducan Leung,1991 Mu Thai and WC under Chai Sirisute & Francis Fong and ,1998 Wing Tsun under Emin Boztepe and 2002 BJJ.The most important thing I learned is to never underestimate anyone,or any fighting system,you'll never know until you mix it up with other styles
@DrAndreiPopescu What "personal experience" have you had? It's funny to see people who CLAIM to be MMA fighters take pot shots at WC like it's a threat to their manhood.One of my BJJ teachers started Wing Chun years before he trained in BJJ,he blended his WC,and Muay Thai with his ground game.Funny thing is,Without Wing Chun,there would be no Yip Man,no Yip Man,no Bruce Lee,no Bruce Lee,no MMA,no MMA,no UFC and spandex speedos with tap out eye balls on the ass
@DrAndreiPopescu In the late 1960s to early 1970s the concept of combining the elements of multiple martial arts was popularized in the west by Bruce Lee via his system philosophy of Jeet Kune Do. Lee believed that "the best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt to any style, to be formless,
@OakIslandBandit Good wc fighters are formless.Cause they dont think. they just react and adjust to the mistakes of the opponents.Basically bruce never learned so good wing chun and his knowledge gap was filled by other arts.Also he used to train many hours per day something makes to most of people not at all easy to do.He also was very talented.Anyway i think wc is a full system for self defence(No ring)but requires at least 10-15 years to reprogramm totally your body behavior.Peace
@dlvt79 Good wc fighters are formless,but not all wc fighters are good.I agree,Bruce didn't get the whole system,but he took what he knew and took it farther than many who stayed with WC longer than him because of his discipline.Before I came to WC,I had a strong Hakka background,so I had a headstart with WC,with the added power of Hakka which many WC schools lack.They are related more than most know and the true full system of WC is hard to find.
@dlvt79 no wrong he learned rly well wing chun but he doesnt use 100% wing chun cuz he takes the good concepts that work and add other martial arts to it to bring his fighting skillz to another level
@DrAndreiPopescu In 2004 UFC President Dana White would call Lee the "father of mixed martial arts" stating: "If you look at the way Bruce Lee trained, the way he fought, and many of the things he wrote, he said the perfect style was no style. You take a little something from everything. You take the good things from every different discipline, use what works, and you throw the rest away".
@OakIslandBandit bruce lee certainly made a big impact for his method of mixing martial arts together into a concept. is not really a new idea though, as many masters at old times have take influence from other masters therefore combining different approaches into more or less "mma"
@DonMega187 Bruce lees influence on martial arts in the movies was monumental. Everything has a source and bruce lee was that source to the silver screen. and how martial arts dominates all action movies from karate to kung fu all styles have been up there due to the bruce. although i feel he should of stuck with wing chun, and thats coming from a longtime student of WingTsun by the way there is a difference between WT and WC
@DrAndreiPopescu Bruce Lee created the Jeet Kune Do philosophy/style, which is basically the foundation of MMA if you think about it. The whole point of Jeet Kune Do is to not rely on one style, but to learn everything you can about fighting to be a better fighter. And use what works best in that particular situation, whether it be stand up or if the fight was taken to the ground... sound familiar? It was this concept that inspired MMA.
@AceOfJon dude, maybe, but I don't remember bruce lee ever mentioning one single word even about the possibility of grappling. it's like it totally skipped his mind. plus even in his movies I don't remember bruce lee using or showing that grappling ever crossed his mind. I remember one sort of like grappling scene with him and kareem abdul jabar where the big guy catches him in an arm lock or smth and all bruce does is bite his leg...
and so maybe u would like to reflect about this a bit more.
@DrAndreiPopescu The scene you speak of with Kareem Abdul Jabar is the range of grappling that I spoke of, you're absolutely it is a "sort of like grappling scene" it isn't "full-fledged grappling" because the scene is meant to show an option of grappling but if a person is bigger, taller, and stronger than you, he can simply pick you up and slam you down. But you're also right about Bruce not saying much about grappling, this is because he only explored grappling shortly before his death.
Because of his death, most of what Bruce's feelings on grappling can only be found through, close friends and students of his that are still alive. I'll admit that what I'm about to say is pure speculation, but I think it's obvious that Bruce Lee would've furthered his grappling knowledge. I say this because my sifu is a student of the late Larry Hartsell and of Danny Inosanto. Both of these men told him on several occasions that Bruce meant to evolve into a more rounded fighter.
@AceOfJon honestly I think that bruce lee would have lived in the 90s and would have seen what was going on especially in the UFC he would have been one of the first to incorporate grappling into his style and would have been great at it. sadly, he didn't get to do that and, cuz of his regretted untimely death, imho, didn't get to contribute much to what today we know as MMA... he was just a grate kung fu man with almost superhuman physical attributes... not much one can learn from...
@DrAndreiPopescu I agree, he definitely would've furthered his studies in grappling because it works.It's been proven that BJJ (good BJJ teaching) defends great against most other fighter and is a good skill to add to a fighters repertoire. My Jeet Kune Do instructor teaches us a system based on BJJ, Sambo, and catch wrestling (Integrated Grappling System). You were right for picking BJJ as a style, are you interested in any other styles?
@AceOfJon hell yeah! I'm interested in for example judo and various striking styles, such as kyokushin, wu shu and others. unfortunately these days I don't have a lot of time to put into learning new stuff so I'm mostly sticking to bjj, also because of the fact that learning these striking styles really means getting beaten a lot and I kind of don't have it in me anymore. plus I'm no longer a kid and I can't afford to come to my working place with a black eye, for example :D
@DrAndreiPopescu I agree with that, you need a lot of free time for learning striking, most people I see come into the gym can't put up with the JKD training because it's so intense, condition to be a striker takes time, if I still had my office 9-5, I don't know how I'd be able to do this! LOL although I knew one guy who came in with a black eye and didn't seem to care (at work) he was kick boxer but everyone thought he was in a fight club or something lol
@DrAndreiPopescu " the first to incorporate grappling into his style " he did,he saw the need but had the speed and focused more on striking because of his roots and size.He thought so little of ground fighting that he put in an arm bar as the finishing move in his highest grossing movie,in his opening scene in the first fight,but your right,he didn't contribute much,other than spawning thousands of fighters and martial artists,,many who excel in mma to this day
@OakIslandBandit whatever, man! I just don't think bruce lee was a real fighter, even though his movies might have inspired many people. good action movie actor + a person who could move unrealistically fast, sure! but not a fighter as people fight today in all kinds of martial arts tournaments...
anyone is entitled to their own opinion and this is mine on the subject.
@DrAndreiPopescu This is turning into a silly argument over a dead man.Maybe we can agree that Bruce was a catalyst for thousands of martial artists and fighters.IMHO Vale Tudo and Pankration wouldn't have as much popularity without the audience that was spawned by the martial arts movement of the 60s and 70s,and that explosion started with Bruce and the Bomb,it would be a mere sideshow,I worry about streetfight before a gym encounter,the ground is the Last place I want to be
well bruce lee did incorporate grappling into his style, check out his movie Enter the Dragon, on the scene in the fight ring with Samo Hong, he is did have a some element of that way before there do in the UFC ..:)
@nkraf That move on Sammo Hung is known as the "Crucifix" Ive pulled it off myself and had it pulled on me. Its not a submisson move per se but when youre put in it you tend to panic and give up. If you keep calm there are easy ways out .
@OakIslandBandit Actually I think MMA would have come along eventually Bruce Lee or no. American Olympic Wrestling students were already having annual showdowns with Judo students, Muay Thai and Karate were having inter-style competitions, Kyokushin was made by a guy who studied Judo, Boxing and two forms of Karate. MMA would have still come along, might be fewer people interested, but it still would have happened.
@psychedashell Agreed,what you call "MMA",would have come along "eventually",Bruce Lee or not.It's been coming around for thousands of years.Bruce was the modern day catalyst who inspired people to think outside the "traditional box",yes,there were others,but no one brought it to the spotlight like he did,nor did others try to analyze it in theory,practice and text like he did.Bruce was a mixed martial artist,had his roots been in ground fighting and not WC,maybe ppl would re-think his impact
Wing chun and wing tsun same thing
davidemt12ful 3 days ago
La mayoría de los practicantes de artes marciales estáis aún encorsetados por los sistemas y estilos. Yo me considero un practicante de Wing Tsun porque sigo sus principios, pero utilizo lo que necesite para ser eficaz sin negar en ningún momento su origen, sea del estilo que sea. ¿El Jiu Jitsu brasileño? Sí, es el mejor estilo de suelo que existe. Yo lo utilizo, pero sigo peleando utilizando mayoritariamente el Wing Tsun. El vídeo del reto es de los años 90. Hoy, tardaría menos aún en vencer.
wtelejido 5 days ago
A ver si tenéis un pelín de cultura e inteligencia y aprendéis a leer. ¿Dónde pone que se utilicen técnicas de Wing Tsun? Pone "Enfrentamiento en El Ejido entre un practicante de wing tsun y otro de full contact." De todas formas, ningún sistema se desarrolló de la nada, sin influencia de otras cosas. Y tampoco se desarrollaron en un día por generación espontánea, sino que fueron evolucionanado. El Wing Tsun es un sistema vivo. Ya hacían suelo cuando empecé a practicarlo "HACE 24 AÑOS".
wtelejido 5 days ago 2
Los de WT tienen más cuento... Copian todas las técnicas de bjj, grappling, krav mga etc, y luego dicen que son propias del WT.
MrYoruba 1 week ago
Cada vez que un mastro de WT pelea en realidad cae al suelo, luego dicen por zquí que son técnicas de WT, que poca vergüenza. Como el alemán y el chino pega mujeres engaño a la mitad de la comunidad marcial vendiendo un sistema de humo que se basa en agredir al que esta quieto pero cuando la cosa aprieta se agrran y todos los buenos han practicado mucho de lucha. Luego meten miedo a sus alumnos con leyendas de desafios de Emian Y Victor que nadie grabo
piowyy 3 weeks ago
Not wing chun
davidemt12ful 1 month ago
@davidemt12ful No its called Wingtsun and it actually works.
mallick26 3 days ago
QUE ESTUPIDES... ¿Que reglamento fue? Si fue sin reglas hubiera bastado un predio abandonado o un campo de futbol llanero, al fin que paresen pandilleros....!!
oscargucaromero 2 months ago
"epic demonstration"
spildaleidodomo 2 months ago
DONDE MIERDA ESTÁ EL ARTE??
SkafloonSkafloon 2 months ago
of course a bunch of dumbasses would post insults because they dont know that wing chun can be used on the ground to fikin do ur research
FistoftheIronDragon 2 months ago
the fight most ridiculous I have ever seen...
sapiroto666 3 months ago
@sapiroto666 yes,but it works.
spildaleidodomo 2 months ago
Why go to the ground! Damn wing chun demo!
mikal250 3 months ago
This is why a lot of MMA fighters laugh at Wing chun
pkmaximum 4 months ago
Why Wing Chun suddenly become ground and pound? Might as well say MMA vs Karate!
crane76 4 months ago
Y que esperabais??? lo destroza... claro que si.
andatgar 5 months ago
este tio vio mucho la peli de ip man me parece ami jajaj
lokolokine 5 months ago
osea el wing tsun es efectivo si usas tecnicas de jiu jitsu??
abner0fedor 5 months ago
@abner0fedor where are the techniques of jiu jitsu? this is pure wing tsun
tutanota 5 months ago
@tutanota 0:39 guillotine choke 0:49 full mount... the striking I agree isn´t jiu jitsu
abner0fedor 5 months ago
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tutanota 5 months ago
@abner0fedor esa llave al cuello es muy comun en wing tsun de hecho todas las llaves del mundo lo son.solo porque son realizadas en el piso no quiere decir q no sea wing tsun.si la pelea es de pie la gente dice es wing tsun si la pelea va al piso la gente dice es jiu jitsu.lo cual es ridiculo porq ambos sistemas tienen combate en el piso y de pie . uno puede hacer wing tsun parado,de pie,adrentro de un auto,en el medio del mar y tirandose en un paracaidas si se respetan los principios es WT
tutanota 5 months ago 8
@tutanota Eso no te lo crees tu ni harto grifa.
!º; las pocas peleas reales de practicantes de WT que hay en la red acaban muy rápidas en el suelo, solo hay que mirar al super mega maestre sifu EMIN BOZTEPE vs WILLIAN CHUN.
2º; WT de Leu Ting cogió cosas de otras artes marciales para enriquecer el WT tales como escrima y Brazilian jiu jutsu
3º Cualquier maestro de brazilian , judo o greco con ver ese vídeo para saber que el luchador de WT ha entrenado bastante suelo y no es suelo de WT.
piowyy 1 month ago
@piowyy yo pratique boxeo judo taekwondo kick boxing y tambien wing tsun y todo lo que se ve en el video puede ser tranquilamente wing tsun ya qe este se rige por principios...ademas siguiendo las formas propias del wing tsun se pueden crear infinidad de llaves solo hay que conocer las verdaderas fuentes de esos movimientos y entrenarlos...pasan y pasan los años y uno no deja se sorprenderse de la complejidad de las formas son realmente brillantes
tutanota 1 month ago
@tutanota PS ES QE TAMBIEN EL OPONENTE QUE TIENE ESTA MUY VERDE NO CREES??
raru800914 1 month ago
i like how people watch bruce lee movies and suddenly think they are experts in the world of martial arts.
itstam619 5 months ago
no debes de llamar esto wing tsun porque el no uso ningona tecnica de wingstun para ganarle. Solamente pro que el practica wingstun no tiene que ser nada con que lo que el iso.
RafterVelociraptor 6 months ago
@RafterVelociraptor lo que hizo es 100% wing tsun ....el wing tsun no se rige por técnicas se rige por principios
tutanota 5 months ago
the full contact guy is just an amateur, he dont have any bjj knowledge.
I cant see wing tsun in this fight.
780460020014 7 months ago
too many punches landed on the opponent but still didn't knocked him out..LAME..
aizentaicho2000 7 months ago
Eso no es wing tsun, es jiu-jitsu brasileño
ark333 7 months ago
@ark333 Amigo en la mayoria de las artes marciales existen tecnicas de proyecciones y no es necesario que sea jiu-jitsu brasileño o japones.
fernandox36 3 months ago
where did that headclench come from, lol did he even do wing tsun? he won even though he made shitload of technical mistakes rofl
Euwnt 8 months ago
@Euwnt grabbing the head or back of neck is great in wing chun. i have a video of me doing it on my freind
l2q 7 months ago
Bruce Lee is not the father of MMA, lol. He was a great fighter for his time. He would not be amazing in MMA. Wing Tsun is a great striking art, I learned it and it is great against most striking styles because when you step in close (wing tsuns homeground) other styles go out the window, they dont know what to do. Excellent example. No style is perfect, it is all about the practitioner.
buffmedic01 8 months ago
this is excatly what wing chun is about, get in fast and get in to an advantageous postition, then keep hitting till he stops moving lol. Its not pretty, but it's effective and people don't expect it
hatingtherich 8 months ago
i it when im sparing with some1 in M.A. i always end up being in a ground fighting position, its just not right,,, except when my opponent is a good looking female :)
99Luq 8 months ago
lo importante es que no murio xD el de full contac
JIESBR 8 months ago
el de wing chun viendo q a distancia tenia ventaja el otro tio x sus patadas, inmediatamente c le acerco y lo llevo a su lecho, muy logico!
karatekai01 9 months ago
menuda lección le da el de wing tsun al de full contact en toda regla
gambito3031 9 months ago
fullcontact what? taekwondo, karate, Wreslting?
DerFragensteller 9 months ago
How do you say ass whipping in Spanish??
Gman6755 9 months ago
Looked like ufc to me
tobo86 9 months ago
Here's my thoughts: WC against an average attacker (basically someone who knows little fighting) is very effective, especially if you surprise them. Going at it with a trained fighter in a ring, you have to know a combination of things. My big beef with all striking arts is you cannot wail full force on your partner. In JJ you can employ 90% of what u learn so you can get good at it.
majin2912 9 months ago
That REALLY looked like wing chun. Wow. If the wing chun fighter loses they say he wasn't a good wing chun practitioner...if he wins using ground fighting or any other shit that doesn't look like wing chun...they say "Yes...wing chun is awesome". I have yet to see a wing chun figher fight a real fight....and win...and it looks like what they practice. Never.
gorfjorf2112112 9 months ago
The guy who is supposed to be doing BJJ does not do BJJ. He didn't do anything once he got mounted, which is pretty basic white belt stuff. He tried classic stuff you see when non-grapplers who don't know what they're doing get mounted (the whole throw your feet around his torso and try to pull him back thing). Looks like a wing chun vs wing chun video where one guy is pretending to be a BJJ guy.
In other words, it's fake.
Ljenkins9000 9 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 who said that one of them do BJJ?
tutanota 9 months ago
Good untill 0:37.after this why he went the fight down.Supose cause the other was ignorant in grappling but if he werent?There is no thing such as typical wc guilotine!!!
dlvt79 9 months ago
Kids Figther were r the techs?
SerusoRyu 10 months ago
@WingTsunPanda you are as subtle as a rhino :D probably cuz u have the brains of your average wing chun crap naive. I am not a sifu nor I do I have wasted decades of my life on one thing only, such as a martial art, let alone a FAKE martial art, like wing chun, and STILL I CAN DO EVERYTHING this guy is supposed to be doing in this vide BETTER THAN HIM! this is what u get from training in fake martial arts: you become nothing but a very good joke :))
DrAndreiPopescu 10 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu 7 to 10 people in every martial art are average and down.That happens in life.There is no top martial art but appliers.U must be young from your words but if u love martial arts soon u will anderstand.Peace and hope u train in one..
dlvt79 9 months ago
@dlvt79 quite! but I'd rather spend one year to become average in let's say bjj than 10 to be average in wing tsun or a lifetime to be average in MMA ! (especially by using wing chun).
I maybe very young but more than 90% of wing chunners are naives who don't know what fighting is!
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu Andrei in one year in every art u r not average.U r beginner.Martial arts demand many working hours and experiences.Also fighting skill is not going together with the knowledges in ma.U can hit in a street fight someone without know ma.There is a great culture behind ma.Is not trade for me but a way of life.Nice to talk to u...
dlvt79 9 months ago
@dlvt79 I'd take fighting skills before "martial arts knowledge" anytime, if that makes me more functional. if I can defend myself using BJJ against a bigger more trained guy with 10 times less the hours he put in, than BJJ is superior to whatever he is doing, be it muai thay, kyokushin, boxing, wing chun, guitar hero, I don't care!
to dedicate one's life in just training in MA seems like a huge waste, if u're not earning your living off that. I'd rather do smth productive!
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu There is no such thing as superior ma.It is the fighter.And u can not be skilled with 2 or 3 years of training in BJJ.Maybe u get lucky sometimes but...Anyway people train in ma for various reasons.Most of them is not doing it for money profits.It is wrong way to see it like that.Think what u do in your life in general..Watch tv,serf in net,dance to the club ,eat specific and do specific things.U earn money of all that?I dont think so.
dlvt79 9 months ago
@dlvt79 yes, but dude, the reasons why we pick up martial arts, u can' t argue with me here, are way more different than those for which we go do the club or watch certain tv shows. it's even very different than the reasons why we do various other sports. right ?
I'm telling you, after 2 years of decent BJJ I can MORE EASILY defend against a bigger guy, even against a good fighter, compared to what anyone can do after 2 years of most of anything else. that's my point !
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu I train GUITAR HERO in a week, and I'm MORE EASILY beat Fedor or anyone in the ufc, that's my point!! Seriously, either you post your 'BJJ' fight against that bigger guy, hulk, gorilla or whatever to back up your statement or stop whining on EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN wing chun videos in EXISTENCE!! regards,
gemboz 9 months ago
@gemboz sorry the few street fights I had vs bigger guys weren't filmed and the ones in bjj tournaments are within my weight class, but if you have a problem with me making fun commenting on most wing chun videos around, u can just suck it cuz I don't see why I should care about what some dumb ass fake martial arts fans think! still I'm hoping that some kids who consider taking WC might read this and at least think twice before doing it :) so there might be some actual good out of this :))
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
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machetewarrior 9 months ago
@machetewarrior "They kill bjj on regular basis" ain't that fucking rich! does that even make sense ?
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
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@DrAndreiPopescu Maybe it just me, but practitioner like you that make me HATE 'bjj' more and more.
You're not gonna win anyone's heart with this attitude.
I prefer to train in judo or sambo for grappling. Their practitioners are cool and humble and I respect them. They kill bjj on regular basis and they don't even need to tell everyone how T3H D34DLY their style on EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN WING CHUN videos in existence for god's sake!!
machetewarrior 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu "still I'm hoping that some kids who consider taking WC might read this and at least think twice before doing it :) so there might be some actual good out of this"
That's why I keep arguing with bullshit martial artists. I hope I can keep someone from making the same mistakes I've made.
Ljenkins9000 9 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 so, after you saw this vid, do you think WC is bullshit?
gemboz 9 months ago
@gemboz Yes sir. This may be the best showing of wing chun in all of history, but it's still amateur compared to your average sport MAists.
Ljenkins9000 9 months ago
@gemboz "post your 'BJJ' fight against that bigger guy, hulk, gorilla or whatever to back up your statement or stop whining"
UFC 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. Oh yeah, the entire history of fighting over the last 20 years. I'd start with the first 10 UFCs though. It's very valuable empirical evidence on what happens in a no-rules fight between martial artists of different backgrounds.
Ljenkins9000 9 months ago
@Ljenkins9000 You missed the point. I asked popescu to post his fight cause it seems that he has the biggest mouth around here, and as I guess, he came up with that lame excuse.
gemboz 9 months ago
@gemboz My point still stands. I've rolled with much bigger people who were less skilled grapplers and tapped them out. That's normal in BJJ. It's not like he's saying that he's done something that's rare or unusual.
Ljenkins9000 9 months ago
trap and roll trap and roll!!
domcha131 10 months ago
I don't know whether to "like" this video cuz it brings just one more evidence, apart from the million existent already, that WING CHUN is worthless as a fighting style or to "dislike" it cuz of the way these 2 girls pretend to fight. it's just embarrassing !
DrAndreiPopescu 10 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu There is A LOT of worthless WC teachers out there who don't know how to fight.But until you spar with one who does know how to fight,you'll always have a closed mind,your loss,not mine,good day
OakIslandBandit 10 months ago
@OakIslandBandit just ONCE I would like to see a video of a WC vs an MMA or grappler, both having equivalent experience! maybe then I will have something to open my mind to. until then I think that giving WC more attention than to have a laugh once a week would be a waste of time!
DrAndreiPopescu 10 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu Why don't you just go to a WC/WT/VT school? I can put you on some guys who can,and like to fight,but you got to go to the right ones,don't judge it by youtube,a lot SLUGs here.The Chinese mindset in Yip Man(Ip Man) guarded the system (like many others) until bruce Lee went against Yip Mans wishes and taught westerns.Yip wouldn't teach Bruce anymore,he handed him off to one of his top students.WC is just a tool,like BJJ,it has it's limitations
OakIslandBandit 10 months ago
the fight would of ended long time when it hit the floor if he knew bjj. dont get me wrong, i love wing chun.. but the ground isn't wing chun territory
LOLittleHero 10 months ago
@LOLittleHero " but the ground isn't wing chun territory".Of course it's not.It's sad that I see so many MMA guys who are obsessed to down WC.Samuel Kwok & Carlson Gracie work together and recognize the strengths and weaknesses of their systems,just as MMA fighters evolved to blend MT to their ground game because they lack striking skills.Now you can debate till your blue in the face if WC is better for stand up than MT,they both are great,stop wasting ur time with BS bickering,Kwok & Gracie did
OakIslandBandit 10 months ago
That was the greatest mount escape I have ever seen. lawl at his lame ass rapid high kicks against the air
Lejendary2 11 months ago
alright,i practice mma and muay thai,and these guys just suck sooo bad...
moos14 11 months ago
@moos14 "alright,i practice mma and muay thai,and these guys just suck sooo bad.
"Sigh".You're probably too young to remember Ajarn Chai Sirisute,he was responsible for introducing Muay Thai to the United States long before western people saw it in "bloodsport".The BEST thing (for public view) is that pioneers such as Sirisute, Dan Inosanto,Francis Fong,last but not least,Bruce Lee worked together and saw that these styles complimented each other,they are true MMA,not what you see in the ring
OakIslandBandit 10 months ago
estaria bien poner un video de como defenderse de una tecnica asi... porque en muchas peleas callejeras uno se pone encima i seria interesante saber como librarse, quien sabe talvez nos seria util ;)
bruslin9 11 months ago
no saben pelear ni de pie ni en el suelo vaya mierda
feruko 11 months ago
eso no es arte marcial es pelea callejera dura y pura donde esta el arte
muy mal
TheRYU79 11 months ago
A wt fighter will normal wouldnt get the fight in the ground..
dlvt79 11 months ago
@dlvt79 you mean those WC jerks we fight on the ground in our system the ground fight is fully integrated , the WC losers claim a god fighter never lands on the ground. only someone who never had a real fight on the street can claim nonsense like that
GonG108 11 months ago
@GonG108 I am not sure if i anderstood you but what i meant is the concept of wc is not trying to grapple but hit.We dont go the fight to the ground.I didnt said that never happens but normally not from the part of the wc fighter.Imagine get down and a second one kick u in the head!!!!
dlvt79 11 months ago
@dlvt79 it is better when you are prepared for all situations , to hope that you are better skilled then your opponent means you don t have everything under control when it comes to that case , in my training we always finish with ground fight and even on the ground you can control bigger , havier and stronger opponents if you are skilled in the techn. why not learn it ? better be prepared for all situations .
GonG108 11 months ago
@GonG108 I am with u.I agree.I didnt say dont learn antigrappling.I said a wc fighter would not go by himself the fight down,but he sure must know what to do if that happens.About the fight between emin and chung i think there is a big diference of the level.Emin is far better than Chung.
dlvt79 11 months ago
@dlvt79 at that time emin was a second technician degree and chung claimed to be the king of kung fu , he also claimed he would fight everyone , every time and every where , he only got what a big mouth deserves ,
i know someone who beat emin and guess where and who it is ?
it was sifu salih avci and he beat him on the ground since then they do not talk with each other .
if you go to a boztepe school you will see they do a lot of ground fight
GonG108 11 months ago
@GonG108 I can't tell who is better but also u can't judje someone from one fight.I can only see the general view through their work.Anyway it is not the point which master is the best but what each offers in the art and what is the level of their student.I mean the fact that your sifu or mine are so good that doesnt make us also that good i suppose..
dlvt79 11 months ago
@dlvt79 i´m with you on tht point , salihs way to teach is to show it , i mean he does not talk very much, i am sorry but my english is not that good to explain what i exactly mean , in german it would be easy in english i am searching for the words to explain , take a look at him thats all i can say
GonG108 11 months ago
@GonG108 I saw some vid and he is quite impressive!I like that he is dynamic and also not big guy(with muscles).The other (sifu Pfaff)is a little far for my taste(Little sawman with high kicks and funny dressing)but he is also look relaxed and good.Check also sifu Tassos.He is also quite impressive.Keep training..Peace
dlvt79 11 months ago
@GonG108 Anyway i am glad that i met one student of sifu salih avci.I have heard good things for his capabilities.Could u send me a link to see some vids.Does he have?I am in the organisation of sifu tassos and i heard that emin and your sifu are close to the basic concept.
dlvt79 11 months ago
@dlvt79 oh yes he is , i can only say that we all admire him , when he left the ewto in the late 90´s there was a conflict and emin called kernspecht to throw him out but this was the biggest mistake sigung kernspecht could do he lost his best man and with him all the police special forces , i remember that day not even on deciple remained at the ewto. there are videos about him just type avci wing tsun and you will find them , the other one who is really very good is sifu heinrich pfaff
GonG108 11 months ago
@GonG108 For example in this video wc man try to grapple but he diidnt try to chain punch him in the neck or face.That is normal because is a friendly fight.But also that is the reason that fight went to the ground.If i dont hit i must grapple.
dlvt79 11 months ago
@dlvt79 i know , chain punches are most of the time enough but you never now where you get attaked , my sifu ( sifu salih avci ) is a very expierenced fighter he had over 600 real fights on the street and his experience led him to invent the WT anti ground fight , it is a fairy tale that you never go to the ground , in my own street experience i had the luck to be on solid ground i only had to give them a front kick and 3 or 4 chain punches but you never know how skilled is your opponend
GonG108 11 months ago
@dlvt79 the wt anti grappling techn.are good but if you have a good wrestler and he is just a bit faster then you , you go down , or you can slip or what ever , you have to be able to fight with the wt principles in the vertikal and horizontal position there is no big difference only that it takes far more power to control someone one the ground . do you remember the famous fight between emin boztepe and william chung he lost after a view seconds on the ground (emin was 2t.d./ chung - master)
GonG108 11 months ago
one punch one solution!
LIVER PUNCH!
xXKrajisnikXx 1 year ago
THe one on the ground obviously dont know what to do. He just had to go up with his hips and twist and the WC guy would fall off as the WC guy also dont know what he s doing.
minasz 1 year ago
demorou muito.....
akfwingtshun 1 year ago
Todo bien... pero me hubiese gustado ver algo mas tradicional, demasiado piso, ademas no se aprecia el nivel de los dos en el mano a mano, si uno directamente hace summision.
Lo que sea, sera que a mi el JJ y el MMA no me gustan nada.
semillasdelorto 1 year ago
No es esa la filosofia del wingTsun que he visto defender a muchos practicantes de esa arte marcial. ( Muchos, defensores del Wt como el Anti suelo o Anti Jiujitsu)
En cualquier caso prefiero la tuya. ( Aunque se parezca exactamente a la del MMA)
CanRyu69 1 year ago
Estoy totalmente con RaulGuerrero80. Eso es JiuJitsu puro, no tiene nada de wingtsun. Desde cuando en el wingtsun hacen suelo. Si de verdad pretendia defender su arte marcial, lo que a echo es dejarla en evidencia.
CanRyu69 1 year ago
@CanRyu69
Cuando daba clases de WT, de cada 5 clases, en 2 hacíamos suelo. Es decir, intentas reducir a tu compañero, librarte de sus presas, defenderte desde el suelo de gente que quiere patearte, de hecho, hay muchos ejercicios que suponen la ultima parte del vídeo, estando arriba o estando abajo. Dejarlo en evidencia? mas bien creo que demuestra que el WT no es sólo puños en cadena. El buen luchador de WT no tiene forma ni estilo caracteristico, se adapta, si tiene que usar grappling, se usa
Lktrod 1 year ago 8
@Lktrod I guess I COULD CHOOSE not to care myself :D but I really am a doctor. how much credibility can u have with limps all the time, bruises on you, black eyes and such ? :D
IMHO hardcore striking is for young people! kids even...
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
@CanRyu69
Lktrod 1 year ago
y el antigrappling?
TacoTakahashi 1 year ago
i would have taken down the ful contact guy in 2 kicks when he jumped in front
Inv3rt3 1 year ago
Pues si no hay técnica no hay nada. Yo practico Jiu-jitsu y MMA y lo que ha hecho en este vídeo el de wing tsun es puro jiu-jitsu...no hay nada de wing tsun. Si el luchador de Full Contact hubiese sido bueno, técnico y rudo y el de wing Tsun sólo hubiese usado su arte marcial...las cosas hubiesen sido muy distintas. Es mi humilde opinión. Un saludo.
RaulGuerrero80 1 year ago
Tanto wing tsun para acabar ganando a golpes en una montada d MMA, no ha hecho absolutamente nada de wing tsun. Y el de full contact es malo malo malo..
RaulGuerrero80 1 year ago
@RaulGuerrero80 se not ak no conoses wing tsun lo denosotros no es TECNICA son CONCEPTOS y estuvieron muy bien aplicados y si es malo o bueno el practicante de full contact no se sabe pork él practicante de wing tsun no lo djeo hacer nada que es otra cosa. saludos
latinoGSAL21 1 year ago
@RaulGuerrero80 se not ak no conoses wing tsun lo denosotros no es TECNICA son CONCEPTOS y estuvieron muy bien aplicados y si es malo o bueno el practicante de full contact no se sabe pork él practicante de wing tsun no lo djeo hacer nada que es otra cosa. saludos
latinoGSAL21 1 year ago
asuu.. xD..
el wing chung lo controlo al poco rato nomas.. ah!..
thelogicalyouthink 1 year ago
Dude has some nice kicks but precisely 0 ground skills. Look at his legs flailing around lol. This is why you should cross-train.
P0cketfull0fsunshine 1 year ago
te agarraas a puro pendejo jaja
tanglangma 1 year ago
WT???? It's street Fight, and i'm given my best shoot on it,,,, spoil WT name with sure
MrRvaucher 1 year ago
You see? no mater how skilled you are, you are somehow going to end up rolling on the ground like you did back in elementary school xD
AMS14121990 1 year ago
@AMS14121990 Yep, it is almost ALMOST inevitable
fizika1 1 year ago
lol
MrSifuwebb 1 year ago
this guy shouldn't mention wingchun, because he dun deserve it. and just spoil wing chun name
RYANOGAWA 1 year ago
high fancy kcicks are actually crap coz if u say dodge or basically if they dont hit you then u have effectivly a free punch
13m9i14n9i 1 year ago
fancy kicks equals owned.
what's good about wing chun is that it's highly customizable
ashrocks87 1 year ago
jajajajaja cobró para el campeonato!!!! WC rules.
wallyiutub 1 year ago
Full Contact is no gloves just fighting.
chris96kalonji 1 year ago
@chris96kalonji Full contact means that you use your full power on your blows not that yo need to take off your protective gear (gloves etc.)
parias990 1 year ago
I wonder, why is that wingchun-guy not using the elbows? It looks as he is underestimating his opponent
11Kralle 1 year ago
every time I fight someone that is an 'expert' in WC, I end up with this scenario.....hilarious post!
kamyad 1 year ago
@countryaniac & @Funky1156 We do have takedowns and grappling in WT. It is just not what we do most. :) We do best standing. Hehe. I wouldnt start grappling a BJJ guy though. :)
JohnVoidDoe 1 year ago
that's more like jiu jitsu if you ask me... O_O
countryaniac 1 year ago
haha that was excellent GROUND N POUND LOL
MrWhatever45 1 year ago
he used like 0 sec wing chun and then went 2 some good old wrestling and punching the hell out of his opponent xD
Funky1156 1 year ago
I think he went for the take down fast because he thought he was outmatched standing. I think so too, good thinking. Looking at the other dudes conditioning I would say he had the advantage. He's definitely got more flexibility and he has intensity. The guy in black was closing the gap so that he would not get kicked in the head!
MindJitsu 1 year ago
guy on the bottom needs to plant his feet and lift his hips to get him off...smh
adamf14 1 year ago
this is not wing tsun!!! wake up people let's study bjj and mma not this fake kung fu........
FrencyLee91 1 year ago
Hmph.. you have a strong wing chun stance.. you will be hard to take down.
VapourXY 1 year ago
that's quality WC right there, it is: way to jump into the fight like a ram, then way to get into the clinch and go for a guillotine (typical WC) then when that fails, take the mount in a classical WC manner and go for the ground and pound! thank GOT that we have wing chun to teach us these unique skills not to be found in any other style !!! (I hope the sarcasm is not to subtle)
DrAndreiPopescu 1 year ago 9
@DrAndreiPopescu Yes maybe - but watch the very start of the fight - that is the moment at which the wing chun guy won it. He got in close and it was all over. He could have put a knife hand straight into the full contact guys throat - but obviously that is not on. It then degenerates to grappling, but the fight was already over.
Toby1Idler 11 months ago
@Toby1Idler yup, that is the part where, after such a long and exhausting fight, he comes to terms with the fact that wing chun is either shit or he just didn't get the hang of it and he decides to go all girlie style on the other even more pathetic poor schmuck. still I guess this is some great grappling from a wing chung's point of view, I bet he's even proud of himself (still being sarcastic, everybody, please get this and bitch like a girl if u're wing chun or laugh out loud if u're real MA)
DrAndreiPopescu 11 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu What you know of Wing Chun you've learned from the internet."way to jump into the fight like a ram".Thats good WC,built into the system,what you've seen is so many WC people who didn't use this(most have not been taught) because for hundreds of years ground fighting in China was sport,combat arts focused on the battlefield."clinch and go for a guillotine",anyone can do that,in combat,without backup,that will get you hammered like camel shit.
OakIslandBandit 10 months ago
@OakIslandBandit is that personal experience u are talking about or is it more like video game experience ? cuz what everybody can learn by watching ANYBODY doing wing chun is that that shit has nothing to do with fighting, maybe with the fine arts or smth... maybe u need to train a little in real combat martial arts and even cross train with grappling/mma/such to see that a good guillotine can ALWAYS put you in a lot of trouble! not the one that we see here though... oh no ! this one is shit!
DrAndreiPopescu 10 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu I starting wrestling,1978 in high school,boxing in 1980,1983 Judo in the Army,HapKido 1982-1983 in Korea.In 1985 I started traning in Bak Mei Kung Fu which I have stayed with since.1989 I took up Wing Chun under Ducan Leung,1991 Mu Thai and WC under Chai Sirisute & Francis Fong and ,1998 Wing Tsun under Emin Boztepe and 2002 BJJ.The most important thing I learned is to never underestimate anyone,or any fighting system,you'll never know until you mix it up with other styles
OakIslandBandit 10 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu What "personal experience" have you had? It's funny to see people who CLAIM to be MMA fighters take pot shots at WC like it's a threat to their manhood.One of my BJJ teachers started Wing Chun years before he trained in BJJ,he blended his WC,and Muay Thai with his ground game.Funny thing is,Without Wing Chun,there would be no Yip Man,no Yip Man,no Bruce Lee,no Bruce Lee,no MMA,no MMA,no UFC and spandex speedos with tap out eye balls on the ass
OakIslandBandit 10 months ago 16
@OakIslandBandit no bruce lee => no MMA ? how u figure ?
DrAndreiPopescu 10 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu In the late 1960s to early 1970s the concept of combining the elements of multiple martial arts was popularized in the west by Bruce Lee via his system philosophy of Jeet Kune Do. Lee believed that "the best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt to any style, to be formless,
OakIslandBandit 10 months ago
@OakIslandBandit Good wc fighters are formless.Cause they dont think. they just react and adjust to the mistakes of the opponents.Basically bruce never learned so good wing chun and his knowledge gap was filled by other arts.Also he used to train many hours per day something makes to most of people not at all easy to do.He also was very talented.Anyway i think wc is a full system for self defence(No ring)but requires at least 10-15 years to reprogramm totally your body behavior.Peace
dlvt79 10 months ago
@dlvt79 Good wc fighters are formless,but not all wc fighters are good.I agree,Bruce didn't get the whole system,but he took what he knew and took it farther than many who stayed with WC longer than him because of his discipline.Before I came to WC,I had a strong Hakka background,so I had a headstart with WC,with the added power of Hakka which many WC schools lack.They are related more than most know and the true full system of WC is hard to find.
OakIslandBandit 10 months ago
@dlvt79 no wrong he learned rly well wing chun but he doesnt use 100% wing chun cuz he takes the good concepts that work and add other martial arts to it to bring his fighting skillz to another level
biggiesmellsgood 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu In 2004 UFC President Dana White would call Lee the "father of mixed martial arts" stating: "If you look at the way Bruce Lee trained, the way he fought, and many of the things he wrote, he said the perfect style was no style. You take a little something from everything. You take the good things from every different discipline, use what works, and you throw the rest away".
OakIslandBandit 10 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu watch?v=IAAw5_wJfnI
watch?v=vNdKBMOKXh8&feature=related
I've trained with the man,Dan is the real deal.
watch?v=8ZKNlYBCkO0&playnext=1&list=PL4E9470F280088CB2
watch?v=Y09xmTgs4A8
OakIslandBandit 10 months ago
@OakIslandBandit bruce lee certainly made a big impact for his method of mixing martial arts together into a concept. is not really a new idea though, as many masters at old times have take influence from other masters therefore combining different approaches into more or less "mma"
DonMega187 9 months ago
@DonMega187 Bruce lees influence on martial arts in the movies was monumental. Everything has a source and bruce lee was that source to the silver screen. and how martial arts dominates all action movies from karate to kung fu all styles have been up there due to the bruce. although i feel he should of stuck with wing chun, and thats coming from a longtime student of WingTsun by the way there is a difference between WT and WC
spacejack9000 9 months ago
@OakIslandBandit how did you get to that "no bruce lee, no MMA" conclusion ? at least tell me that, please !
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu Bruce Lee created the Jeet Kune Do philosophy/style, which is basically the foundation of MMA if you think about it. The whole point of Jeet Kune Do is to not rely on one style, but to learn everything you can about fighting to be a better fighter. And use what works best in that particular situation, whether it be stand up or if the fight was taken to the ground... sound familiar? It was this concept that inspired MMA.
AceOfJon 9 months ago
@AceOfJon dude, maybe, but I don't remember bruce lee ever mentioning one single word even about the possibility of grappling. it's like it totally skipped his mind. plus even in his movies I don't remember bruce lee using or showing that grappling ever crossed his mind. I remember one sort of like grappling scene with him and kareem abdul jabar where the big guy catches him in an arm lock or smth and all bruce does is bite his leg...
and so maybe u would like to reflect about this a bit more.
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu The scene you speak of with Kareem Abdul Jabar is the range of grappling that I spoke of, you're absolutely it is a "sort of like grappling scene" it isn't "full-fledged grappling" because the scene is meant to show an option of grappling but if a person is bigger, taller, and stronger than you, he can simply pick you up and slam you down. But you're also right about Bruce not saying much about grappling, this is because he only explored grappling shortly before his death.
AceOfJon 9 months ago
Because of his death, most of what Bruce's feelings on grappling can only be found through, close friends and students of his that are still alive. I'll admit that what I'm about to say is pure speculation, but I think it's obvious that Bruce Lee would've furthered his grappling knowledge. I say this because my sifu is a student of the late Larry Hartsell and of Danny Inosanto. Both of these men told him on several occasions that Bruce meant to evolve into a more rounded fighter.
AceOfJon 9 months ago
@AceOfJon honestly I think that bruce lee would have lived in the 90s and would have seen what was going on especially in the UFC he would have been one of the first to incorporate grappling into his style and would have been great at it. sadly, he didn't get to do that and, cuz of his regretted untimely death, imho, didn't get to contribute much to what today we know as MMA... he was just a grate kung fu man with almost superhuman physical attributes... not much one can learn from...
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu I agree, he definitely would've furthered his studies in grappling because it works.It's been proven that BJJ (good BJJ teaching) defends great against most other fighter and is a good skill to add to a fighters repertoire. My Jeet Kune Do instructor teaches us a system based on BJJ, Sambo, and catch wrestling (Integrated Grappling System). You were right for picking BJJ as a style, are you interested in any other styles?
AceOfJon 9 months ago
@AceOfJon hell yeah! I'm interested in for example judo and various striking styles, such as kyokushin, wu shu and others. unfortunately these days I don't have a lot of time to put into learning new stuff so I'm mostly sticking to bjj, also because of the fact that learning these striking styles really means getting beaten a lot and I kind of don't have it in me anymore. plus I'm no longer a kid and I can't afford to come to my working place with a black eye, for example :D
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu I agree with that, you need a lot of free time for learning striking, most people I see come into the gym can't put up with the JKD training because it's so intense, condition to be a striker takes time, if I still had my office 9-5, I don't know how I'd be able to do this! LOL although I knew one guy who came in with a black eye and didn't seem to care (at work) he was kick boxer but everyone thought he was in a fight club or something lol
AceOfJon 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu " the first to incorporate grappling into his style " he did,he saw the need but had the speed and focused more on striking because of his roots and size.He thought so little of ground fighting that he put in an arm bar as the finishing move in his highest grossing movie,in his opening scene in the first fight,but your right,he didn't contribute much,other than spawning thousands of fighters and martial artists,,many who excel in mma to this day
OakIslandBandit 9 months ago
@OakIslandBandit whatever, man! I just don't think bruce lee was a real fighter, even though his movies might have inspired many people. good action movie actor + a person who could move unrealistically fast, sure! but not a fighter as people fight today in all kinds of martial arts tournaments...
anyone is entitled to their own opinion and this is mine on the subject.
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu This is turning into a silly argument over a dead man.Maybe we can agree that Bruce was a catalyst for thousands of martial artists and fighters.IMHO Vale Tudo and Pankration wouldn't have as much popularity without the audience that was spawned by the martial arts movement of the 60s and 70s,and that explosion started with Bruce and the Bomb,it would be a mere sideshow,I worry about streetfight before a gym encounter,the ground is the Last place I want to be
OakIslandBandit 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu
well bruce lee did incorporate grappling into his style, check out his movie Enter the Dragon, on the scene in the fight ring with Samo Hong, he is did have a some element of that way before there do in the UFC ..:)
nkraf 8 months ago 3
@nkraf That move on Sammo Hung is known as the "Crucifix" Ive pulled it off myself and had it pulled on me. Its not a submisson move per se but when youre put in it you tend to panic and give up. If you keep calm there are easy ways out .
bladesaint21 5 months ago
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nkraf 8 months ago
@OakIslandBandit Actually I think MMA would have come along eventually Bruce Lee or no. American Olympic Wrestling students were already having annual showdowns with Judo students, Muay Thai and Karate were having inter-style competitions, Kyokushin was made by a guy who studied Judo, Boxing and two forms of Karate. MMA would have still come along, might be fewer people interested, but it still would have happened.
psychedashell 9 months ago
@psychedashell Agreed,what you call "MMA",would have come along "eventually",Bruce Lee or not.It's been coming around for thousands of years.Bruce was the modern day catalyst who inspired people to think outside the "traditional box",yes,there were others,but no one brought it to the spotlight like he did,nor did others try to analyze it in theory,practice and text like he did.Bruce was a mixed martial artist,had his roots been in ground fighting and not WC,maybe ppl would re-think his impact
OakIslandBandit 9 months ago