William Lane Craig vs Theodore Drange (HQ) 6/11

[setmedic]

Whether it's the revelations of Joseph smith or Mohamed or Moses, I believe Thomas Paine aaa correct when he wrote in The Age of Reason that no one is obligated to believe any nonsense when it comes second or third hand. The israelites were under no obligation to believe Moses and so on...

[wachnathan]

William why don't you prove praying works that can be tested right? Well its proved to be a fail and just a chance isn't that proof your god is a made up being, to me thats very good evidence to dismiss christianity from our culure alone.

[xchris1800]

Now I am sure this Theodore Drange are lost in the understanding of the bible, and in everything he speaks, he speaks and dont understand even what he says. Atheist are fool!!!. the evidence is in this video.

[xchris1800]

Good example why I believe in God, one of the reason is because Atheist has no argument, I would say they really are stupid.

[Purushadasa]

The Lord has already proven Himself to all of civilized humanity. All of mankind already accepts His appearance and activities as scientific facts, with the single exception of the deluded atheist, whose beliefs are in the extreme miniscule minority worldwide.

The lunatic atheist must present a viable argument in favor of his bizarre personal belief that God somehow doesn't exist before being taken seriously, which he has failed to do, sadly.

[Purushadasa]

The lower animals, such as the pig, the mosquito, and the jellyfish, also lack the intelligence to grasp any portion of the ample logical and scientific evidence for God's factual appearance and activities that the vast majority of intelligent human beings comprehend easily.

Sadly, the fact that one single Youtube member is on the exact same intelligence level as the lower animal disproves nothing about God's factual appearance or activities.

atheist total fail

[Purushadasa]

With the single exception of the crackpot atheist, everybody already accepts God's appearance and activities as scientific facts, so who exactly do you expect me to convince?

The atheist, in the extreme minuscule minority, insists that he has made no claim contrary to the long-accepted scientific facts anyway, so there is truly no challenge to meet.

The scientific facts stand unchallenged and universally accepted.

[Set4Life22]

I get the impression that Drange wants to believe in God, but hasn't had his most fundamental questions answered yet so he may believe.

That wascally wabbit !!

[Bobob49]

TD seems like a thoughtful, intelligent man seeking answers to things he doesn't immediately understand. WLC is just the opposite - he believes, then tries to explain reality based on that belief. This is the opposite of what a real philosopher does. WLC's pseudo-intellectual arrogance undermines his arguments.

[AgeOfReasonXXI]

@Bobob49 it's worst than that- WLC's apologetics embrace insincerity and outright hypocrisy as a structural principal, and he's willing to employ every dirty debating trick to keep his delusion going (I mean what is he gonna do if it turns out there's no one up there that loves him, and is looking after him?)

[Sophiethefembot]

@AgeOfReasonXXI he won't know the difference

[lawrenca333]

"shhhhhh . . . . be vehwy vehwy quiet. I'm debading wiwiam wane kweg . . ."

[Set4Life22]

@lawrenca333

LMAO

[Purushadasa]

Derange asks why God hasn't placed everybody in the world in the position of understanding God's factual existence and the factual existence of the afterlife, but he seems to have forgotten that God has done precisely that.

Only the crackpot atheist, in the extreme minority on these subjects, fails to understand them the way the rest of the world does. The people on this planet are overwhelmingly Theists, and reject atheist dogma pretty much universally.

[Purushadasa]

...they HAVE made their choice. The vast majority of people on this planet accept the scientific fact that God certainly exists along with His lovable characteristics and activities.

Is Drange blind to the very world he lives in?

The atheist is in the extreme minority, but Drange speaks as if there were some person out there (besides the crackpot atheist) who has not yet been exposed to the facts about God and accepted them.

The world is already convinced of Theism, and overwhelmingly so.

[Ravloma]

...and where is that? Hell?

Just kidding, skippy -- go back and finish your homework now.

ROFLMFAO!!!

[virtualguitarist]

I was thinking the same thing and totally agree with you

[AgeOfReasonXXI]

@Purushadasa right. the religious crackpots and fanatics are accusing atheists of being like them. can't get any more pathetic than that.. and btw who cares what uneducated rednecks believe, the vast majority of scientists worldwide-- including 93% of the TOP U.S scieentists (N.A.S.)-- are atheists! so...

[MntrTodd]

@Purushadasa

And I suppose that back when the majority of the world believed the world was flat, then it was flat in those days.

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@Purushacrapa How has god let everyone know that he exists? By a book full of violence that cordones slavery and mistreatment of women? By threatening to torture everyone for all eternity to those who don't believe in him? There are 10000 other gods and religion to choose from what makes christianity so special? Perhaps god lets people know he exists from nutballs like you who block everyone who tries to comment on their videos.

Purushadasa total fail.

[TheHmmhmm]

@Purushadasa There is no such thing as an "atheist dogma". Atheism is not a set of beliefs... It is a disbelief in god(s) and nothing more.

[REDRAGON12345]

@TheHmmhmm Atheism is absolutely a set of beliefs. 

[theonlyway2truth]

Craig definitely one this debate

[theonlyway2truth]

explain my friend...

[wachnathan]

@theonlyway2truth Winning a debate doesn't mean you have proved your case legit i didn't see any proof that a super being is alive today so who cares if William can debate that doesn't prove jack.

[6thwing]

@wachnathan So you believe that a 'supreme timeless being' can die? (because it is not alive "today")? How would you come about proving that? And let's look at your "prayer" question. What is prayer? What do you mean by "prayer works"? What you think God is some kind of genie who grants your every wishes? Then you do NOT know what prayer is, at all. What's more is that science CANNOT prove everything. So asking for a scientific proof for something (for 'testing') is ludicrous.

[wachnathan]

@6thwing Thats why i am atheist because i don't need to prove my postion i don't see a god or hear it or smell or feel it so naturally i can reject it and thats my stands on it. The bible can say what it wants but i wasn't there so i don't have to buy into it with respect thats all i wish to say.

[6thwing]

@wachnathan So you are athiest because you lack any evidential or logical claim for your own reasoning? Because you are incapable of defending and proving your position. What, you're going to crawl in a hole now crying "Leave me alone! I can believe whatever I want and I don't have to prove myself!" Lol.

It's funny because it is what Atheists have been accusing unprepared, "new-born" Christians of doing. And now that's your only rational retreat? You don't wish to believe? Classic.

[wachnathan]

@6thwing I don't like to judge people but i just go with what i preceive in reallity its no ones fault it just is what it is i can't force myself to believe so the question is why can't we have self testimony on that? Sure god is possible but i don't see any evidence of it or even know what it is to look for in evidence we don't see god making creation we don't see god making anything all we see is nature.

[6thwing]

@wachnathan The Bible isn't made to "prove" God's existence. That is not it's purpose. It presupposes the common sense of mankind, that God does exist. Which is why it says "In the beginning, God" Gen 1:1, not arguing for God's existence. Of course God exists! Psalms 14:1; "The fool says in his own heart, 'There is no God'"

So how does God provide evidence? Through 'that which he created'. read Romans 1:18-23 for better understanding of what I'm saying. I'd post it, but there's the limit.

[wachnathan]

@6thwing I understand i really do about life it is a mystery yes but saying god did it doesn't explain anything because first we don't know what god is and second we don't see life created from god we see creation through life so we can't observe gods demonstration of creation so then we still don't have proof for a god.

[6thwing]

@wachnathan This debate is not about 'explaining' anything. This debate is whether or not God exists. Now, if you agree that:

1) Everything that begins to exists has a cause.

AND

2) The Universe began to exist

Then you logically conclude that The Universe is CAUSED. If you agree that:

3) Things cannot 'cause' itself into being

Then you logically conclude that The Universe is caused by something that is beyond the scope of the universe, something Transcendent. That thing is called God.

[wachnathan]

@6thwing If you have to debate it then it doesn't exist and even if William was right he has proven deism not theism anyways we can't access the past but we do know that mass and energy can't be distroyed it just changes thats what produces time so who are we to say that the universe was created maybe it just changes we can't honestly know what happened before the big bang.

[wachnathan]

@6thwing The main point i really want you theists to understand i know that bibles can be invented by man and by my certainty this thing you discribe as god doesn't acknowlege me so i don't acknowledge it by my self awarness and this standard is the same by animals they don't waste there life looking up when they should be looking forward. Even if we proved a god the bible is still error i would still reject christianity and be a deist.

[wachnathan]

@6thwing I want to be respectful but its hard when it seems like theists don't want to listen to us as if we are wrong for what we think if god wants us to believe he could've done a better job then the bible am sorry!

[aschaevitz]

@theonlyway2truth lololololololololol. you stupid x2. you believe in god and you used one instead of won. stupi'head.

[hellavadeal]

change is time and if God made time than he therfor will deal with us through time , and Our selfish nature , having freewill, is bad than he should be sad he made us

[hellavadeal]

rain falls on sinners as well as saints , his argument does not hold water

[OneEyedJack1970]

There are all kinds of things out there that can kill you. So what? At best that only proves that God lets people die, and that's about it.

[jdquarg]

PHOENIX - It sounds like science fiction but its true: A killer amoeba living in lakes enters the body through the nose and attacks the brain where it feeds until you die.

Even though encounters with the microscopic bug are extraordinarily rare, its killed six boys and young men this year. The spike in cases has health officials concerned, and they are predicting more cases in the future.

This is example of design.

Google it. :(