Big Business has all the controls and Government regulates thier needs and this make for local decision makers a cayous structure. This is mega project is on Cree, Dene and Slavey Terrritory, to name a few Indigenous Nations effected by this project on a daily basis. Industrial Generating Companies need to regulated by the people most effected by their endless greed for control. control?!
Most of the stuff we make from oil can be made from agricultural based oils such as that which could be obtained from hemp. But hemp is illegal - go figure! Plus we will need to get more "conservative" in our our of control consumption habits - do all those lights need to be on all night long. If you are afraid of the dark - go to bed!
Unless you live in a cave, look around and tell me if you can see one thing that does not have a petroleum byproduct in it, or was somehow brought into existence by using pertoleum products. What's the alternative at this point? If you have the answer you better start talking because lots of people are wondering and you'll sure be able to make a pretty penny!
Hey I totally agree with you. If oil production stopped tomorrow, our entire world would grind to a halt. But, I'm not going to let Ed Stelmach tell me oil production is not environmentally damaging.
yup been there worked there, tailing ponds so huge, they will never be properly reclaimed, and even if they do settle the bottom will be covered in toxins unable to support life. I find it sad because there are too many people like you with your ignorant, a dollar in the hand is worth two in the future attitude, To quote a wise man "Only when all the fish are gone, when The rivers and lakes are dead, and the land is parched and infertile, only then will man realize that money cannot be eaten".
I think it's about time for the citizens of this great country to take action against these greedy oil mongrels. This is "OUR" planet, not the goverments, once again our gov't has failed it's people, the billions of dollars invested in dirty oil should be used towards clean energy.Clean energy can be achieved, sacrifices will have to be made by everyone, but it can be done. You hear people say " I would die to protect my children", yet here you are helping to slowly kill them. Hypocrits you are!
What they are going to care about is whether they can drink the water, whether they can breathe the air, whether the land can support them. One of the important questions is to ask what does the land need from you!"
"The only measure by which we will be judged by the people who come after is the health of the land base, because that is what is going to support them. They are not going to give a shit whether or not we were pacifists; they are not going to give a shit if we supported Israel or we didn't support Israel; whether we voted green or democrat or republican or not at all.......Continued
I used to work in Alberta. This idea that the residents are becoming worried about the environment is complete nonsense. Most of the oil field labourers have only highschool educations. They enter the workforce as an unskilled labourer and can make over $50,000 a year. In a very short time they can increase their skills and earn over $100,000 a year. These guys don't give one fuck about the enivronment. Their only concern is to be able to take some time off to drive their quads and snowmobiles.
You are an idiot!!! I live and work in Alberta, always have and always will... if you have something intelligent to add please do otherwise shut the fuck up!!!
Ha, ha, you basically argued my case for me. I said folks in Alberta don't care about the environmental damage which is occuring as a result of industries they work for and it appears you're one of them. Can't blame you though. Where else are you going to make such good money, without spending a lots of time and money on university degrees. Government should be putting some regulations on how much comes out of the ground. That way, there's less pollution and your resources and jobs last longer.
Huh? How do you figure? Who says we don't care? You did! And what makes you think I don't have a university degree? I bet you're from Ontario right?!! You like driving your car and paying (semi)affordable prices for gasoline? All the plastic products you take for granted!!! Oil has to come from somewhere. Now unless you've been there and seen what it looks like after an area has been mined and reclaimed then shut your yap! It is better after then it was before!
Would you let you kids drink tap water from a well on land that was formerly a Syncrude tailing pond? Who says I'm from Ontario and who says I own a car. You're right though, plastic does have to come from somewhere. But if you look around, a large percentage of plastic products or packaging we consume are completely unnecessary. Alberta residents are not at fault. It's their government (and the federal government) who are white-washing the issue.
I wouldn't let them drink water from a well on that piece of land before it was mined either. And I didn't say you were from Ontario, I asumed it because of your stupidity. As far as driving a car, if you don't drive one, you get around somehow, how might that be? I bet it uses petroleum! Plastic (necessary or not) is just a drop in the barrel in the whole list of products we enjoy as a result of pertoleum.
It certainly makes sense to take advantage of a valuable resource in a sustainable way, in this case the oil sands. However, the real goose is the land and more specifically its waterways. Once toxicity spreads no one will want to live there anymore, real estate prices will fall, residents will have to pipe in water from distant parts, farming will be complicated (i.e. nothing to irrigate the ground with), and the local economy will be broken "permanently".
NorthRock -- Exploiting a valuable resource in a sustainable way makes sense. Damaging your water supply for hundreds to thousands of years won't help the Canadians long after the resources have been fully exploited. A good proxy for the current situation is Russia with its endlessly leaking pipes and "permanently" polluted waterways. The locals' (and it's a vast area) average lifespan has gone down 20+ years.
It certainly makes sense to take advantage of a valuable resource in a sustainable way, in this case the oil sands. However, the real goose is the land and more specifically its waterways. Once toxicity spreads no one will want to live there anymore, real estate prices will fall, residents will have to pipe in water from distant parts, farming will be complicated (i.e. nothing to irrigate the ground with), and the local economy will be broken "permanently".
China and India need much more oil than they once did thus the price of oil will continue to rise which means more investment for Alberta's oil industry. But if Alberta cut's production supply will go down but demand won't! Prices will rise higher which will affect Canadians who have to pay at the pump as never before.
So what do we do? Who is to blame? We all are. Do you carpool, take public transportation, or are getting a smaller car? If not then you can't bitch.
An alternative solution to fossil fuels is to improve end-use efficiency. Look up "The Rocky Mountain Institute" for info, especially Amory Lovin's recent lectures at Stanford University which are a good watch. If you don't think his vision will pan out you might want to ponder the ramifications of being next door to the US which takes what it wants...often by force. Why shouldn't Canada be the next target...it's a lot closer than Iraq/Iran.
raistlin: the US can take and does take whatever it wants or will need in the future from Canada because it already owns it and doesn't have to invade it militarily as it did in Iraq.
prhedst: Global prices will rise until demand and supply hit equilibrium and then rise further as supply starts decreasing. The world uses about 30 billion barrels of oil per year (~85mb/day). Canada's oil sands are estimated to contain ~200 billion barrels which would supply the world for ~7 years if used exclusively. So Alberta's resources will be fully exploited irregardless of whether it's done in an environmentally intelligent way.
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Big Business has all the controls and Government regulates thier needs and this make for local decision makers a cayous structure. This is mega project is on Cree, Dene and Slavey Terrritory, to name a few Indigenous Nations effected by this project on a daily basis. Industrial Generating Companies need to regulated by the people most effected by their endless greed for control. control?!
makinamill 2 years ago
Most of the stuff we make from oil can be made from agricultural based oils such as that which could be obtained from hemp. But hemp is illegal - go figure! Plus we will need to get more "conservative" in our our of control consumption habits - do all those lights need to be on all night long. If you are afraid of the dark - go to bed!
inquisitum 2 years ago
Glad you understand
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
Unless you live in a cave, look around and tell me if you can see one thing that does not have a petroleum byproduct in it, or was somehow brought into existence by using pertoleum products. What's the alternative at this point? If you have the answer you better start talking because lots of people are wondering and you'll sure be able to make a pretty penny!
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
Hey I totally agree with you. If oil production stopped tomorrow, our entire world would grind to a halt. But, I'm not going to let Ed Stelmach tell me oil production is not environmentally damaging.
HaroldPlatypus 2 years ago 3
What kind of moron are you? Do you think trees grow overnight? What lakes are you talking about? I still don't think you've ever been there.
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
Have you ever been there and seen any of the reclaimed land? Why do donkeys always have to yap about shit they know nothing about?
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
yup been there worked there, tailing ponds so huge, they will never be properly reclaimed, and even if they do settle the bottom will be covered in toxins unable to support life. I find it sad because there are too many people like you with your ignorant, a dollar in the hand is worth two in the future attitude, To quote a wise man "Only when all the fish are gone, when The rivers and lakes are dead, and the land is parched and infertile, only then will man realize that money cannot be eaten".
TheHoffling 2 years ago 5
I think it's about time for the citizens of this great country to take action against these greedy oil mongrels. This is "OUR" planet, not the goverments, once again our gov't has failed it's people, the billions of dollars invested in dirty oil should be used towards clean energy.Clean energy can be achieved, sacrifices will have to be made by everyone, but it can be done. You hear people say " I would die to protect my children", yet here you are helping to slowly kill them. Hypocrits you are!
cashout007 3 years ago 2
So what do you suggest as an alternative? Come on let's hear it.
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
What they are going to care about is whether they can drink the water, whether they can breathe the air, whether the land can support them. One of the important questions is to ask what does the land need from you!"
Hockeyjason 3 years ago
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"The only measure by which we will be judged by the people who come after is the health of the land base, because that is what is going to support them. They are not going to give a shit whether or not we were pacifists; they are not going to give a shit if we supported Israel or we didn't support Israel; whether we voted green or democrat or republican or not at all.......Continued
Hockeyjason 3 years ago
I used to work in Alberta. This idea that the residents are becoming worried about the environment is complete nonsense. Most of the oil field labourers have only highschool educations. They enter the workforce as an unskilled labourer and can make over $50,000 a year. In a very short time they can increase their skills and earn over $100,000 a year. These guys don't give one fuck about the enivronment. Their only concern is to be able to take some time off to drive their quads and snowmobiles.
HaroldPlatypus 3 years ago 2
You are an idiot!!! I live and work in Alberta, always have and always will... if you have something intelligent to add please do otherwise shut the fuck up!!!
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
Ha, ha, you basically argued my case for me. I said folks in Alberta don't care about the environmental damage which is occuring as a result of industries they work for and it appears you're one of them. Can't blame you though. Where else are you going to make such good money, without spending a lots of time and money on university degrees. Government should be putting some regulations on how much comes out of the ground. That way, there's less pollution and your resources and jobs last longer.
HaroldPlatypus 2 years ago 2
Huh? How do you figure? Who says we don't care? You did! And what makes you think I don't have a university degree? I bet you're from Ontario right?!! You like driving your car and paying (semi)affordable prices for gasoline? All the plastic products you take for granted!!! Oil has to come from somewhere. Now unless you've been there and seen what it looks like after an area has been mined and reclaimed then shut your yap! It is better after then it was before!
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
Would you let you kids drink tap water from a well on land that was formerly a Syncrude tailing pond? Who says I'm from Ontario and who says I own a car. You're right though, plastic does have to come from somewhere. But if you look around, a large percentage of plastic products or packaging we consume are completely unnecessary. Alberta residents are not at fault. It's their government (and the federal government) who are white-washing the issue.
HaroldPlatypus 2 years ago 5
I wouldn't let them drink water from a well on that piece of land before it was mined either. And I didn't say you were from Ontario, I asumed it because of your stupidity. As far as driving a car, if you don't drive one, you get around somehow, how might that be? I bet it uses petroleum! Plastic (necessary or not) is just a drop in the barrel in the whole list of products we enjoy as a result of pertoleum.
someguycalledshelnut 2 years ago
The tar sands are not a short-term project.
MrCropper 3 years ago
"But hey, go ahead and strip mine 40,000 square miles of forest. We'll make do after you are gone."
The oil companies will be there for a century. You'll be gone. Don't worry.
MrCropper 3 years ago
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candian will be rich rich rich!!!
Wow they are the richest in the world soon:_)
I want to live there:-))))))))))))
Metalgear55 4 years ago
It certainly makes sense to take advantage of a valuable resource in a sustainable way, in this case the oil sands. However, the real goose is the land and more specifically its waterways. Once toxicity spreads no one will want to live there anymore, real estate prices will fall, residents will have to pipe in water from distant parts, farming will be complicated (i.e. nothing to irrigate the ground with), and the local economy will be broken "permanently".
raistlin1234567 4 years ago
Thanx for the feedback.
NorthRock -- Exploiting a valuable resource in a sustainable way makes sense. Damaging your water supply for hundreds to thousands of years won't help the Canadians long after the resources have been fully exploited. A good proxy for the current situation is Russia with its endlessly leaking pipes and "permanently" polluted waterways. The locals' (and it's a vast area) average lifespan has gone down 20+ years.
raistlin1234567 4 years ago
Why is the goose being "sacrificed?"
NorthRock 4 years ago
It certainly makes sense to take advantage of a valuable resource in a sustainable way, in this case the oil sands. However, the real goose is the land and more specifically its waterways. Once toxicity spreads no one will want to live there anymore, real estate prices will fall, residents will have to pipe in water from distant parts, farming will be complicated (i.e. nothing to irrigate the ground with), and the local economy will be broken "permanently".
raistlin1234567 4 years ago
It's amazing how time after time short-sighted people and the governments they reside in sacrifice the goose for the golden egg.
raistlin1234567 4 years ago
China and India need much more oil than they once did thus the price of oil will continue to rise which means more investment for Alberta's oil industry. But if Alberta cut's production supply will go down but demand won't! Prices will rise higher which will affect Canadians who have to pay at the pump as never before.
So what do we do? Who is to blame? We all are. Do you carpool, take public transportation, or are getting a smaller car? If not then you can't bitch.
prhedst 4 years ago
An alternative solution to fossil fuels is to improve end-use efficiency. Look up "The Rocky Mountain Institute" for info, especially Amory Lovin's recent lectures at Stanford University which are a good watch. If you don't think his vision will pan out you might want to ponder the ramifications of being next door to the US which takes what it wants...often by force. Why shouldn't Canada be the next target...it's a lot closer than Iraq/Iran.
raistlin1234567 4 years ago
raistlin: the US can take and does take whatever it wants or will need in the future from Canada because it already owns it and doesn't have to invade it militarily as it did in Iraq.
orpusdei 3 years ago
orpusdei: That's funny... ;-)
prhedst: Global prices will rise until demand and supply hit equilibrium and then rise further as supply starts decreasing. The world uses about 30 billion barrels of oil per year (~85mb/day). Canada's oil sands are estimated to contain ~200 billion barrels which would supply the world for ~7 years if used exclusively. So Alberta's resources will be fully exploited irregardless of whether it's done in an environmentally intelligent way.
raistlin1234567 3 years ago