Why is it sometimes so hard to tell the difference between kurd and bayati and sometimes not? I mean in this samai it's obvious it's kurd but sometimes especially when kurd is done vocally it sounds so much like bayati. Is it because the E-bemol in Kurd is actually played a little higher, like in Hijaz? I think, maqam kurd has different intonations depending on the region. I think the 3rd note in syria and gulf countries, is played lower than in egypt or turkey.
Well, I disagree on a couple of issues here m03ez. Aside from the quite distinct feel Bayyat gives from Kord, the E bemol in Kord is actually lower and not higher (as in Hijaz). This also applies to other Maqams such as Nahawand, which gives the E bemol a more asserting effect, if you would. Now, most music schools go even by a "lower E half bemol) for the Bayyat (say than in Rast or Sikah), yet some other schools actually raise that note more than in Rast (but never than Sikah !)
Yes I thought so. So the E half bemol in bayyati is played a bit close to the E bemol in Kurd, that's why some confuse the two. BTW have you heard Ali Mahmoud's famous Azan?? I believe the second Hayya Ala Salah is in Kurd. Also his Qasida, "Ana Fil Hubb" is in Kurd. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Well, we're not on the same page this time m03ez, for 2 main reasons. If you consider that the E bemol in Kord is lower than the "regular" (if you would) E bemol, it will be found lower by a "Koma". Now, generally an E "half" bemol is "higher" than E bemol (by ~1/4 tone). To the ear, this difference is quite noticeable. I mean, once you hear the Sikah note, it just changes everything.....it has a different soul, and adds up a very unique flavor to the melody. It's that "Sharqy" touch :)
I totally agree with you. I can actually feel the sharqy soul in maqams like Bayati, rast, and sikah. It's a different world, I understand you. I like to classify the maqams into two groups. 1. The ones with "Sharqi" flavor and ones that sound "Gharbi." Bayati, Sikah, Rast, Hijaz, jiharkah, are sharqi, while Kurd, Nahwand, Nikriz, Ajam, even Lami sound a bit Gharbi (not totally due to microtonality) because of their absence of the sikah, and iraq/awj note.
I have listend to this Samai many times..but I could not (and would never) feel it.
Oud proff ..you play it just GREAT. But I prefer to listen to you performing Samai Bayati (Ibrahim Al Aryan) or even Samai Shad Araban...this one is so so so insipide to my ear and heart.
As we've been just discussing this issue - also described in the clip description -, yes it is quite "similar". Although it's a very similar scale with Kord - simply -, it does have a different personality in certain ways.
However, I'll have to disagree on the origin of this Maqam (relating it to "Hadji Arif Bey". With all due respect, I'm sure it goes far before his time !
i guess "hicaz kar kord" tells the way of music to İstanbul (from hicaz through the kurdish territory to istanbul) and it becomes kürdilihicazkar cant it be_))_?_?
Yes my dear, Hijaz Kar Kord is synonymous with Kurdili Hicaz Kar, it's just different terms for the same thing used interechangeably. It's in essence more more than Kord actually !
That's true. Although the original Semai is played rather as Hijaz Kar Kord (or as known in Turkish as Kurdili Hicaz Kar), it was played in this vid as Kord (on A).
يسلم ذوقك ،،ويسلمو الأنامل،،في كل حرف موسيقي عزفته في قمة بالفن،،،أسمعك وأتخيل بأنني باستراحة من هجير السفر،،هجير مايقال عنه (موسيقا) هالأيام،،حبذا فيديو تعرفنا عن نفسك وتخبرنا عن مفهوم الموسيقا لديك ،،وخبرتك بالعود،،مع خالص احترامي،،ناصر،،الامارات
this is my favorite oud piece. i learned to play it by ear by listenig to you and afif taian. thanks alot. you played it very well and your oud and tremola are awsome!
أنا شغال على هالمقطوعة الآن.. انشالله تمشي معي! لأاني حبيتها من عزفك يا بروفسور و أيضا من عزف الأستاذ عفيف مع الرق.. فلو عزف شي راح اكتب لك.. بس عندي سؤال, تنصحني ابدى اتعلمها تماما بالتشيكلات ولا اعزفها عظم اول؟ تسلم ايدك يا بروفسوور!!
مشكور جداً عزيزي على الكلمات اللطيفة. أكيد في البداية أنصحك أن تعزف اللحن الرئيسي (أعجبتني عظم حسب قولك :)) دون التجمبلات والزخارف اللحنية. بعد التمكن منها أضف كل البهارات اللي بتحبها :)
والله معلش يا عزيزي، أنا مش عارف بالضبط أنتم كنتم بتعزفوه إزاي، بس هو مقام الكورد بلا أدنى شك :) خللي بالك العزف هنا كورد من درجة العشيران وليس الدوكاه (يمكن ده اللي عمل التشويش). بالطبع الكورد مكون من جنس كورد ونهاوند بينما الحجاز كار اللي تفضلت فيه مكون من جنسي (2) حجاز.
لا والله بس احنا عندنا فى مصر مقام حجاز كار كله قليل ما بنستدخدمه وانا فاكر ان احنا جاتلنا هذه المقطوعه على مقام حجاز كار كرد وهذا اللى كنت نسيت اذكره مش اكتر لاننا عازفنها من فتره كبيره
بل هو كورد يا عزيزي، من أشهر سماعيات طاطيوس أفندي. إلا أن هناك خانة (الثانية تحديدا) تقوم على مقام اسمه "حجاز كار"، بيد أن السماعي إجمالاً هو من الكورد بشكل بحت :)
Well, there's also Al Atrache and Al Sunbati, but hey, they're a league on their own. Other than that, you are the greatest, OudProff. I wish I had you as my oudprof.
A Sama3i is basically a piece of music consisting of 4 major parts, each known as "Khanah". There is more to it, I'll write more about it in the description box ;)
لمسات رائعة ... احسدك على مسكتك للزمن ماسك الزمن تمام ... وحتى اللزم جايبها بشكل سليم ورائع استاذ بمعنى الكلمة
al3arab83 2 months ago in playlist More videos from OudProff
He playing good but it very difficult makam but I, love it . and the player is a great .
LoftiKakish 3 months ago
Great Great & great !! i love it
LoftiKakish 4 months ago
Great playing! Well done!
I just wonder what's the tuning of the oud in this song?
SenolBasaran8 4 months ago
noob
HassanPeter 6 months ago
زي كأنِّي شفت العود هذا مع الأستاذ عمر بشير :D :D
Tottilordman 11 months ago
روعة في الأحساس بالنغم والموسيقى تترجم حاله التذوق العالية التي يعيشها العازف ...أنت يا سيدي فنان حقيقي..بلرك الله فيك
MahaAdel71 11 months ago
thank you!! all your videos are so great!
littlefig20 1 year ago
رائع يا استاذ
مذهل بمعنى الكلمه
تحياتي
sva911 1 year ago
تمام يا افندم
عشره على عشره على عشره
yoyo7am 1 year ago
تسلم يمينك يا عزيزي
ثامر . فرنسا
thamer571 1 year ago
هذا مقام الحجازكار كرد و يسمى أيضا كردلي حجاز كار. و هو مقام مركب من فصيلة الكر لكنه ليس مقام الكرد عينه
abderrahimelouali 1 year ago
@abderrahimelouali شكرا عزيزي
لكن هذا الكلام تم توضيحه مسبقا في وصف الفيديو :)
OudProff 1 year ago
beautiful...
MuratKMusic 2 years ago
لا أكاد أتوقف عن سماعها. إنها تلهمني بأن أصور فيلما قصيرا عن حنين الوطن و شيء من آلام الغربة.
bashar055 2 years ago 3
Why is it sometimes so hard to tell the difference between kurd and bayati and sometimes not? I mean in this samai it's obvious it's kurd but sometimes especially when kurd is done vocally it sounds so much like bayati. Is it because the E-bemol in Kurd is actually played a little higher, like in Hijaz? I think, maqam kurd has different intonations depending on the region. I think the 3rd note in syria and gulf countries, is played lower than in egypt or turkey.
m03ez 2 years ago
of course I meant the second note which is E bemol and not the third.
m03ez 2 years ago
Well, I disagree on a couple of issues here m03ez. Aside from the quite distinct feel Bayyat gives from Kord, the E bemol in Kord is actually lower and not higher (as in Hijaz). This also applies to other Maqams such as Nahawand, which gives the E bemol a more asserting effect, if you would. Now, most music schools go even by a "lower E half bemol) for the Bayyat (say than in Rast or Sikah), yet some other schools actually raise that note more than in Rast (but never than Sikah !)
Regards,
OudProff 2 years ago
Yes I thought so. So the E half bemol in bayyati is played a bit close to the E bemol in Kurd, that's why some confuse the two. BTW have you heard Ali Mahmoud's famous Azan?? I believe the second Hayya Ala Salah is in Kurd. Also his Qasida, "Ana Fil Hubb" is in Kurd. Correct me if I'm wrong.
m03ez 2 years ago
Well, we're not on the same page this time m03ez, for 2 main reasons. If you consider that the E bemol in Kord is lower than the "regular" (if you would) E bemol, it will be found lower by a "Koma". Now, generally an E "half" bemol is "higher" than E bemol (by ~1/4 tone). To the ear, this difference is quite noticeable. I mean, once you hear the Sikah note, it just changes everything.....it has a different soul, and adds up a very unique flavor to the melody. It's that "Sharqy" touch :)
OudProff 2 years ago
I totally agree with you. I can actually feel the sharqy soul in maqams like Bayati, rast, and sikah. It's a different world, I understand you. I like to classify the maqams into two groups. 1. The ones with "Sharqi" flavor and ones that sound "Gharbi." Bayati, Sikah, Rast, Hijaz, jiharkah, are sharqi, while Kurd, Nahwand, Nikriz, Ajam, even Lami sound a bit Gharbi (not totally due to microtonality) because of their absence of the sikah, and iraq/awj note.
m03ez 2 years ago
@m03ez I AGREE
I have listend to this Samai many times..but I could not (and would never) feel it.
Oud proff ..you play it just GREAT. But I prefer to listen to you performing Samai Bayati (Ibrahim Al Aryan) or even Samai Shad Araban...this one is so so so insipide to my ear and heart.
Thanks for all your videos
usfshinigami 1 year ago
I'd love to hear those, please send me the link(s).
Thanks
OudProff 2 years ago
Ok. I'm sending you the links right now. I'll send you the azan along with the qasida in kurd.
m03ez 2 years ago
the difference between kurd and bayati it is just the second tone .
in kurd it's half tone and in bayati it's 3/4 tone so...... yeah kurd is more beautiful ;)
MahirJabbar89 2 years ago
Appeal of a certain Maqam actually depends more on the listener's mood and reaction, as well as the way it is played :)
OudProff 2 years ago
والله محبووك المقام انا اعزفه بس بهذي الجووده والقوه ماقدر
واعتقد ان الاحساس لاعب دور قوي فيه والجوابات قويه اتمنى لك التوفيق
showone2020 2 years ago 4
very well done!! beautiful sensation
MsSemiramide 2 years ago 5
thanks dear
OudProff 2 years ago
The name of this makam "Hicazkar-ı Kürdi" and it belongs to Hadji Arif Bey. Esselam!
coupedriver 2 years ago 4
As we've been just discussing this issue - also described in the clip description -, yes it is quite "similar". Although it's a very similar scale with Kord - simply -, it does have a different personality in certain ways.
However, I'll have to disagree on the origin of this Maqam (relating it to "Hadji Arif Bey". With all due respect, I'm sure it goes far before his time !
OudProff 2 years ago
i guess "hicaz kar kord" tells the way of music to İstanbul (from hicaz through the kurdish territory to istanbul) and it becomes kürdilihicazkar cant it be_))_?_?
mustanginer 2 years ago 4
Yes my dear, Hijaz Kar Kord is synonymous with Kurdili Hicaz Kar, it's just different terms for the same thing used interechangeably. It's in essence more more than Kord actually !
Thanks
OudProff 2 years ago
....no more than Kord....
OudProff 2 years ago
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow walaah raheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeb inth ana nfsay ashofak
udlari 2 years ago 4
شوف عزيزي
اي واحد يقول (انت فنان) هو كذاب
في الحقيقية انت فوق الفن وكلمة فنان اصغر منك
سلامي لك
0504610012 2 years ago 4
هيك كثير :)) لكن مشكور جدا على لطفك أخي
OudProff 2 years ago
مش عارف وينتا بدي اصير اعزف على العود زي نصفك !!!
nesem1810 2 years ago
لو حبيت العود تمام حتعزف زي ما بدك وأكتر كمان
شكرا لمرورك
OudProff 2 years ago
so kürdilihicazkar in turkısh... aksak semai Beste : Kemani tatyos efendi
badelmevtii 2 years ago
That's true. Although the original Semai is played rather as Hijaz Kar Kord (or as known in Turkish as Kurdili Hicaz Kar), it was played in this vid as Kord (on A).
Thanks
OudProff 2 years ago
الله الله عليك وربي عااااااااااااااااااااازف روقان
turkey20202020 2 years ago
تسلم اخوي، شكرا جزيلا
OudProff 2 years ago
الله على العود ...وعالمقام... وعالقرارات و الجوابات بهالمعزوفه
najjars 3 years ago
الله يخليك، إنت رجل ذواق
OudProff 2 years ago
It is very good :)
Atrudas 3 years ago
thanks very much
OudProff 2 years ago
يسلم ذوقك ،،ويسلمو الأنامل،،في كل حرف موسيقي عزفته في قمة بالفن،،،أسمعك وأتخيل بأنني باستراحة من هجير السفر،،هجير مايقال عنه (موسيقا) هالأيام،،حبذا فيديو تعرفنا عن نفسك وتخبرنا عن مفهوم الموسيقا لديك ،،وخبرتك بالعود،،مع خالص احترامي،،ناصر،،الامارات
nasser35age 3 years ago
أخي ناصر شكرا لك نورتنا بإطلالتك الحلوة على القناة المتواضعة. يسرني التعرف إليك أكثر على الماسنجر إن أحببت
OudProff 3 years ago
this is my favorite oud piece. i learned to play it by ear by listenig to you and afif taian. thanks alot. you played it very well and your oud and tremola are awsome!
we4jesus 3 years ago
Thanks a lot, great to know that. Keep in mind though that the original piece was played as Kord on C rather than A (more like Hijaz Kar Kord) ;)
OudProff 3 years ago
yea i realized that after i learned to play it on A lol. well back to the drawing board...
we4jesus 3 years ago
فعلا المسأله أذواق و إنت أبو الذوق يا بروف
najjars 3 years ago
تشكر يا ذوق !
OudProff 3 years ago
ممكن تبعتلي رساله بافضل المقاسات للعود هل المصر ي ام العراقي افضل مع شرح الفرق؟
شكرا كتييييير
AAA55AH 3 years ago
يمكنك مراسلتي عبر الإيميل حول هذا الموضوع عزيزي، لأبين لك وجهة نظري، فالمسألة مسألة أذواق ووجهات نظر أكثر من أي شئ آخر
OudProff 3 years ago
It's just amazing. I love to listen to oud. It's played very nice. 5/5
larkikali 3 years ago
thank you very much lark
OudProff 3 years ago
ارجوك ممكن تعلمنى العزف علي العود
AAA55AH 3 years ago
من عيوني :)
OudProff 3 years ago
Beautiful! I like too much the oud, and this song. Thanks for share it.
djudeo 3 years ago
Thanks a lot
OudProff 3 years ago
أنا شغال على هالمقطوعة الآن.. انشالله تمشي معي! لأاني حبيتها من عزفك يا بروفسور و أيضا من عزف الأستاذ عفيف مع الرق.. فلو عزف شي راح اكتب لك.. بس عندي سؤال, تنصحني ابدى اتعلمها تماما بالتشيكلات ولا اعزفها عظم اول؟ تسلم ايدك يا بروفسوور!!
nectron101 3 years ago
مشكور جداً عزيزي على الكلمات اللطيفة. أكيد في البداية أنصحك أن تعزف اللحن الرئيسي (أعجبتني عظم حسب قولك :)) دون التجمبلات والزخارف اللحنية. بعد التمكن منها أضف كل البهارات اللي بتحبها :)
OudProff 3 years ago
مبدع بلا شك ^^
DartanianQ8 3 years ago
كله من لطفك عزيزي، شكراً
OudProff 3 years ago
احنا كنا بنعزفهم على مقام حجاز كار ويا رييت تتاكد عزيزى من هذا المقام وتشوف حروفه
sobhybasha 3 years ago
والله معلش يا عزيزي، أنا مش عارف بالضبط أنتم كنتم بتعزفوه إزاي، بس هو مقام الكورد بلا أدنى شك :) خللي بالك العزف هنا كورد من درجة العشيران وليس الدوكاه (يمكن ده اللي عمل التشويش). بالطبع الكورد مكون من جنس كورد ونهاوند بينما الحجاز كار اللي تفضلت فيه مكون من جنسي (2) حجاز.
نورتنا مرة أخرى
OudProff 3 years ago
انا عارف انها حجاز كار كرد
sobhybasha 3 years ago
يا أستاز كده الأمور تلخبطت معاك خالص !!
الكورد مقام، والحجاز كار مقام آخر، ودول الاتنين غير الحجاز كار كورد (مقام آخر، ولو أنه في الحقيقة كورد في الأصل). إستبينا؟ :) ولاّ عاوز تضيف؟ :)
OudProff 3 years ago
لا والله بس احنا عندنا فى مصر مقام حجاز كار كله قليل ما بنستدخدمه وانا فاكر ان احنا جاتلنا هذه المقطوعه على مقام حجاز كار كرد وهذا اللى كنت نسيت اذكره مش اكتر لاننا عازفنها من فتره كبيره
sobhybasha 3 years ago
المفروض انها مقام حجاز كار مش كرد
sobhybasha 3 years ago
بل هو كورد يا عزيزي، من أشهر سماعيات طاطيوس أفندي. إلا أن هناك خانة (الثانية تحديدا) تقوم على مقام اسمه "حجاز كار"، بيد أن السماعي إجمالاً هو من الكورد بشكل بحت :)
OudProff 3 years ago
I've always believed that the Baghdadian oud made by (Mohammad Fadhel AL-Hosain)plays by it self...
but I've Never imagined that a man can make it sings !!
Hope that you wil keep amaze us by this high class art Proff.
SiKooTy 3 years ago
Mostly appreciated SiKooTy, thanks
OudProff 3 years ago
bravo!!!
el 3od shu3'l meen?
annoooss 3 years ago
Shukran :)
Oud made by late Mohammad Fadel
OudProff 3 years ago
ı love your playing oud.proff busy man :)
88beyza88 3 years ago
:)) thanks beyza
OudProff 3 years ago
اسمحلي اصنفك من عمالقة عازفي العود
عندما اسمع عزفك احس ان العود يتكلم
yasser1407 3 years ago
أشكرك أخ yasser1407 على الكلمات الطيبة. لكن أقول ليس بعد، لسة فيه شغل كثييير :)
OudProff 3 years ago
فنان
mdeyab 3 years ago
تشكر
OudProff 3 years ago
Thank you a lot dmehlika
OudProff 3 years ago
English/French/Spanish/Arabic pls !?!?
OudProff 3 years ago
it's been too long we didn't hear from u O.P, hope everything is going well with you, this is a very great piece, i loved it.
thanks a lot for sharing
vraiment super
hassna00 3 years ago
Yea I know hassna00, it has been awhile indeed ;) but I'm back now, hopefully with new stuff that you and others will like
OudProff 3 years ago
عسل وربي
انت عسسسسسسسسسسسل وياعيني عليك
تسلم ايدك ياقمر علي العزف الخيال والله يوفقك ويحميك
tr4tr 3 years ago
مشكور جداً عزيزي، لسانك اللي عسل :)
OudProff 3 years ago
Hamdallah 3ala el salama ya Proff.
mhqazwsx 3 years ago
ysalmak shukran :)
OudProff 3 years ago
ya oudproff sha'ter! excellent :)
rgalibaba 3 years ago
shater shater ? :)
Thanks rgalibaba
OudProff 3 years ago
ooo oud jedid? :)
rgalibaba 3 years ago
As always :)
dayman
OudProff 3 years ago
منتهى الجمال والروعه يعطيك الف عافيه
عادل
adilzahrani 3 years ago
الله يعافيك، منورنا دائماً بطلتك الحلوة عادل
OudProff 3 years ago
يارجل الله وكيلك كل يوم بدخل لحتى شوف إذا نزلت شي ولا لأ !!!
لأنك بكل بساطة تفوقت على نفسك !!! وتفوقت على سمعي وأحساسي !!!
رووووح الله يخليك ويحفظك حامي للتراث العربي ... وأتمنى إني أتعلم على العود .. وأعزف ولو نص عزفك !!!
تحياااتي إلك زعيييم !!!
وجاري الإستماع ولي عودة بعد الإستماع والتحميل على الجهااااز يازعيم ياملك !!! روح الله يفتح عليك !!!
تحياااتي ...
منصور
Manssoor2004 3 years ago
شكرا لك جداً عزيزي منصور
بس سؤالي، يا أخي وين بدك ياني روووح ؟؟!؟ :))
بعدين بلاش يزعل منا أبو شهاب ولا أبو عصام، الزعيم راح وخلينا نحفظ الألقاب :)))
OudProff 3 years ago
ياسيدي بلا زعيم ..
أحلى بووووس ...
بس أستاذي قريت مرة إنك بدك تنزل سي دي بيعلم العود للمبتدأين من الصفر .. مثلي يعني ...
متى إن شاء الله هالإنجاز رح يتم .. أنا بروسيا وماعندي مدرسيييين ...
يعني إيدي بزنارك بووووس ...
تحيااااتي لك أستاذي ... وبالفعل أطربتني ...
منصور
Manssoor2004 3 years ago
تسلم عزيزي، كلك ذوق
بالنسبة للسي دي فقد تم إطلاقه منذ فترة، حول تعليم المقامات الموسيقية وفيه تعليم لبعض المبادئ حول العود أيضاً
OudProff 3 years ago
لا ماقصدت تبع المقامات ...
مرة واحد كتبلك وإنت قلت أنه رح تعمل سي دي خاص بالمبتدئين !!! أنا هلق براجع الردود وبعطيك ياه ...
تحياااتي وشكراً على وقتك الثمين ...
منصور
Manssoor2004 3 years ago
beautiful :)
quicsilver 3 years ago
Thx !
OudProff 3 years ago
5 stars
ruyjosegago 3 years ago
Thank you
OudProff 3 years ago
100% agree with you [emdieen]
realy, thnx oudprof 4 sharing you amazing talent with us, we really enjoy it.
AkManUtd 3 years ago
Thanks again, always great to hear from you
OudProff 3 years ago
Oud-Proff rules! He's the greatest on Youtube.
emdieen 3 years ago
I know its not true, but thanks ;)
OudProff 3 years ago
Well, there's also Al Atrache and Al Sunbati, but hey, they're a league on their own. Other than that, you are the greatest, OudProff. I wish I had you as my oudprof.
emdieen 3 years ago
alllah ya 7osam
jamil jeddan
bassam
bassam38 3 years ago
Appreciated ;)
OudProff 3 years ago
great as usual...5 stars as usual...An extremely lucky person would have u as his/her instructor...
athegan 3 years ago
Many thanks athegan ;)
OudProff 3 years ago
Amazing . .
bashar055 3 years ago 2
Shukran
OudProff 3 years ago
Allaaaaah !!!
inieston 3 years ago 2
ykhalleek :)
OudProff 3 years ago
That's probably one of the best looking ouds I've seen in a while lol
Nice playing!
MIL
Musicislove123 3 years ago
It does look and sound nice indeed "Musicislove", thanks ;)
OudProff 3 years ago
Perfect and nice
NabilQuwatli 3 years ago
Thank you Nabil
OudProff 3 years ago
Very nice :D 5 stars
hummerh2dude 3 years ago
Thanks, great to see you're around again ;)
OudProff 3 years ago
مشاء الله عليك دكتور ولا كل الدكاتره
HamedMAX 3 years ago
العفو حبيبي، مشكور
OudProff 3 years ago
Great job!
BadNewzBlues 3 years ago 2
Thank you
OudProff 3 years ago
as usual,very beautiful,you are the best
ACERDOU40 3 years ago 2
Mostly appreciated ACERDOU
OudProff 3 years ago
hala hala hala! very nice :)
y2takerredmachine 3 years ago 2
ya hala beek ;)
OudProff 3 years ago
wot does it mean samai tatioss???????
tarikology 3 years ago
A Sama3i is basically a piece of music consisting of 4 major parts, each known as "Khanah". There is more to it, I'll write more about it in the description box ;)
Tatios is the name of it's composer
OudProff 3 years ago
oh thanks for the info, it is priceless! keep up the good work!
tarikology 3 years ago
Ah ya proff ,,its been loooong time ..very nice and beautiful piece as usual.
zaheraldik 3 years ago 2
:) thanks zaheraldik, yea I know, but been really busy
OudProff 3 years ago