It's so cool how you automaticaly reject everything christian (without aparently knowing much about christian or ancien greek philosophy) and gobble up anything Nietzsche (whom I greatly respect) says. Makes you kinda his bitch don't you think? Anyway, next time, try not to sound like you're commenting latest Linkin Park album when you make 'philosophy' video.
Sorry for errors, not english in not my country's language.
My favorite fictional Nietzsche Superman is Max Cady in the movie Cape Fear. The books on his prison bookshelf speak volumes about things to come. Most viewers don't have a clue. I also loved his picture of Nietzsche in a military uniform with a sword (Nietzsche never did military time, so he must have just done it to look cool). Robert DeNiro plays many Nietzsche Supermen in his movies...Taxi Driver could arguably portray another one.
"god is dead" is a concept for believers and atheists alike. in fact, if you read that passage in "the gay science" carefully, it seems like nietzsche is adressing non-believers primarily. what it means is that while taking god out of the picture a lot of the intellectual comfort that secular people continued to cling to goes aways as well.
Secular humanism is slave morality incarnate and Judeo-Christianity revamped. Yes, it will be the new religion, and yes it will be shitty, and no it will not center around individualism which is what I think Nietzsche wanted (if he wanted anything)
I believe and this is my own interpretation of the overman is someone who lives only by his own morality and nothing else. he is the creator of new values and rejects or as Nietzsche said says "No" to the christian or old values. The concept of will to power i think is related to progress and simply moving forward b/c the will to power is the drive for all species, sure the fittest survice physically but if u don't have the will to power or to conquer u will be at the bottom of the food chain.
@dvy45 The Will to Power is the foundational psychological drive, but it isn't progress - or at least not social or technological progress. Nietzsche saw the "will to truth" as a warped transformation of the will to power (although he didn't necessarily see this warping as a bad thing, I think). However, you are definitely right about the overman being someone who lives by their own moral code and noone else's.
But the life has no objective sense. If you forget it and try to build up some world conceptions that deny or conceal the ultimate senselesness of life, you will finally get to basically the same self-contradictions and contrarieties with the everyday world's facts as the religious individuals do. There is no escape - not even the "secular humanism" is the escape.
So these Übermensch will decide morality in the place of religion for the masses. Sounds like a religion. Not sure how that is any different from what other religions do.
Looking at the least religious countries i'm not seeing a moral vacuum. And if you claim that they are ubermensch, I would just say they are people minus religion. Since it appears there is no evidence, I would have to say it's dogma.
This concept isn't something that there needs to be "evidence for" its just an umbrella-term that explains how individuals can develop human morality and improve it without the shackles of religion keeping moral progress in the dark ages. The least religious countries are in fact expressing some of those qualities Nietzsche applied to ubermensch, such as resorting to real, practical solutions to issues rather than getting lost in a cloud of religious nonsense.
@ravingdead Nietzsche didn't predict a moral vaccuum, he predicted people would become mediocre hedonists (ala the Last Men in his book Thus Spake Zarathustra), which describes contemporary culture pretty well. Nietzsche would not have called the masses living in non-religious countries Ubermensch at all - first of all, one really has to look at individuals, not whole societies. But no society is aiming to produce Ubermensch, and it's unlikely any society could withstand attempting to do so.
as i remember, the concept of the ubermensch is multi-faceted having in its core the overcoming of oneself and the moral values that plagued philosophical thinking then, e.g. kant, whose categorical imperative smacked of christian values.
Society (i.e. you and me) was to be a bridge for the ubermensch. The concept of the ubermensch is therefore prospective and self-sacrificing, the common man cannot strive to be the ubermensch, but can only strive to pave the way for him.
@ShwaNerd "should be society as a whole" really? making things better? you know, nietzsche defined "better" as suffering. Untermenchs is what you just described, the last man, where everyone is the same and everyone works together to be happy. yeah, i might be miss reading you, but i dont believe that nietzsche thought that "all of humanity" should be the ubermensch. I applaud you though for attempting to penetrate nietzsche. good video. except for your leftist socialist leanings.
@ShwaNerd Nooo. Nietzsche was an elitist and anti-political. Your whole first sentence would be pure slave morality to Nietzsche. The Ubermensch is best understood in terms of the Eternal Return. Imagine that time is circular and that after you die, everything that ever happened in the universe happens all over again an infinite number of times. Someone who could bear the thought of living their whole life over again an infinite number of times is an Ubermensch.
#1. That particular book was not published nor was it meant to be. His wife edited and published it after his death with propagandist views.
#2. The Ubermench is almost always misunderstood. It means simply to live with no regrets. It is a state of becoming that one can be at times while not at others. Just about everything else associated with it is other people.
Nietzsche was close to being an Objectivist, like Ayn Rand. I never really bought into any of that sort of self centered thinking. Too caught up in the self as if a lack of a religiously backed afterlife meeded some replacement.
The sum total of all great thinkers boils down to one short phrase:
The wordplay of "Überwinden" in "Übermensch" doesn't translate as well into "upper" or "super" man, as these latter two only describe the end goal - something one couldn't necessarily achieve - instead of the constant process of trying to rise above one's 'humanity'.
Though really, it doesn't matter what one translates it as, as long as one understands what it stands for.
In light of this Nietzsche seemed to view religion and general dogma as a buffer to our potential both as a society and as a species. As for existentialism many see it as sort of the fulfillment of the overman and Nietzsche as a proto-existentialist. It's notion of "existence precedes essence" seems to strike at the very heart of the overman's power - to live and grow without the buffer or without the presuppositions that narrow our potential
"All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is the ape to man? A laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. And man shall be just that for the overman: a laughingstock or a painful embarrassment"
As I recall Nietzsche seemed to depicted his overman as someone who could adapt well in post-theistic times. Rather than binding his potential to the limits and labels set by a perceived deity or for that matter any presupposed doctrine over his nature, he would live his by will alone - putting faith in his pure nature but without presupposing what that nature is - and around this sort of anti-creed he would then rebuild society.
Funny you should bring up Nietzsche. I'm actually doing a religion project right now and had to choose an important religious figure, so naturally I chose Nietzsche (we had to pick from a list and he was actually on it.)
Too bad we actually have that quote from Nietzsche... do you happen to have a recording of god saying this? It'd be great evidence for his existence, rather than a feeble attempt at humor. To bad the only ones to ever say that are the believers in god, not god himself/herself/itself/itsnoodlyage.
I guess in the free market of ideas, it will be the ubermensch of this generation, if I understand this correctly, that will provide the next generation a diverse array of secular solutions for the free society to come after the coming collapse.? Would this make the Ubermensch something akin to practical philosophers? just trying to understand this concept outside how it was misused.
ShwaNerd: I'm interested in your reasons as to why you are a socialist? I mean, if you're pro-"people making their own decisions and being motivated to get on the top of the mountain", then why control what they can do and what they can't, or why make them lazy by giving some of them money and taking it from others? It would be great if you could make a video about it. Nice one. Cheers!
You fell hook line and sinker for conservative / libertarian propaganda
First, many countries in the world are heavily socialist without having low productivty.
Only anarchy allows complete control over your decisions, but then maybe not if it still has rules enforced by somebody or punishments for crime, whether punishment is given by society through mob structure or some council.
But I dont think such a society is stable in numbers over a few thousand.
Interesting vid ya i will go read more about it thank you for the info I agree now in the 21st century God does not cut it any more in giveing us meaning or morality 5 stars
The Nazi party attacked democracy, liberalism, marxism, and communism. They were "socialist" almost in name only. Yeah... the Nazis supported social programs.... like social darwinism. They're an insanely racist offshoot of fascism. By identifying myself as socialist I haven't at all made myself appear "like a nazi" unless a troll would like to point that out (not calling you out, just saying others might do that).
I didn't say I was calling you a troll, I was saying that someone who would think I'm "like a nazi" based on liking socialism would either be a troll or really uneducated. You're neither.
I don't see where you are going, but I am interested. Any work I have done is as an individual in a voluntary contract that is revokable at any time. I do not enter into social contracts for "the greater good."
Just the more I think of it, the less she seems like a "true" phylosopher. Her thought aren't enlightening or insightful, and I think she's full of crap or atleast a "bad phylosophy"
It's so cool how you automaticaly reject everything christian (without aparently knowing much about christian or ancien greek philosophy) and gobble up anything Nietzsche (whom I greatly respect) says. Makes you kinda his bitch don't you think? Anyway, next time, try not to sound like you're commenting latest Linkin Park album when you make 'philosophy' video.
Sorry for errors, not english in not my country's language.
Peace
Scum8ag 3 weeks ago
What kind of program do you use to make you look like that? black and white?
Grifir3 1 month ago
"I like it better."
I like believing I can fly because I like that better. I'm going to jump off a cliff real quick...
FindingEudaimonia 4 months ago
My favorite fictional Nietzsche Superman is Max Cady in the movie Cape Fear. The books on his prison bookshelf speak volumes about things to come. Most viewers don't have a clue. I also loved his picture of Nietzsche in a military uniform with a sword (Nietzsche never did military time, so he must have just done it to look cool). Robert DeNiro plays many Nietzsche Supermen in his movies...Taxi Driver could arguably portray another one.
MitchellLeary1 4 months ago
thou sprach quatsch
aeronautofthespirit1 7 months ago
"god is dead" is a concept for believers and atheists alike. in fact, if you read that passage in "the gay science" carefully, it seems like nietzsche is adressing non-believers primarily. what it means is that while taking god out of the picture a lot of the intellectual comfort that secular people continued to cling to goes aways as well.
fede2 11 months ago
Secular humanism is slave morality incarnate and Judeo-Christianity revamped. Yes, it will be the new religion, and yes it will be shitty, and no it will not center around individualism which is what I think Nietzsche wanted (if he wanted anything)
bwelkk 1 year ago
@bwelkk Very well said, and I agree with Nietzsche on this one.
Egalitarianism is some sort of sick joke.
CyJoZa 6 months ago
I believe and this is my own interpretation of the overman is someone who lives only by his own morality and nothing else. he is the creator of new values and rejects or as Nietzsche said says "No" to the christian or old values. The concept of will to power i think is related to progress and simply moving forward b/c the will to power is the drive for all species, sure the fittest survice physically but if u don't have the will to power or to conquer u will be at the bottom of the food chain.
dvy45 1 year ago
@dvy45 The Will to Power is the foundational psychological drive, but it isn't progress - or at least not social or technological progress. Nietzsche saw the "will to truth" as a warped transformation of the will to power (although he didn't necessarily see this warping as a bad thing, I think). However, you are definitely right about the overman being someone who lives by their own moral code and noone else's.
godlessyurifan 6 months ago
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." - Some quote you picked up from brainyquote.
danieljliversLXXXIX 1 year ago
Awful, awful, awful.
But I can't blame you, you're just an undergrad and you're using wikipedia as a source. Try using The Stanford Encyclopedia for Philosophy instead.
Thresholds 2 years ago
But the life has no objective sense. If you forget it and try to build up some world conceptions that deny or conceal the ultimate senselesness of life, you will finally get to basically the same self-contradictions and contrarieties with the everyday world's facts as the religious individuals do. There is no escape - not even the "secular humanism" is the escape.
danielsondanielson 2 years ago
So these Übermensch will decide morality in the place of religion for the masses. Sounds like a religion. Not sure how that is any different from what other religions do.
ravingdead 2 years ago
Ubermensch should be society as a whole, living and working together to make things better for everyone. Dogma has no place there.
ShwaNerd 2 years ago
Looking at the least religious countries i'm not seeing a moral vacuum. And if you claim that they are ubermensch, I would just say they are people minus religion. Since it appears there is no evidence, I would have to say it's dogma.
ravingdead 2 years ago
@ravingdead
This concept isn't something that there needs to be "evidence for" its just an umbrella-term that explains how individuals can develop human morality and improve it without the shackles of religion keeping moral progress in the dark ages. The least religious countries are in fact expressing some of those qualities Nietzsche applied to ubermensch, such as resorting to real, practical solutions to issues rather than getting lost in a cloud of religious nonsense.
ShwaNerd 2 years ago
@ravingdead Nietzsche didn't predict a moral vaccuum, he predicted people would become mediocre hedonists (ala the Last Men in his book Thus Spake Zarathustra), which describes contemporary culture pretty well. Nietzsche would not have called the masses living in non-religious countries Ubermensch at all - first of all, one really has to look at individuals, not whole societies. But no society is aiming to produce Ubermensch, and it's unlikely any society could withstand attempting to do so.
godlessyurifan 6 months ago
as i remember, the concept of the ubermensch is multi-faceted having in its core the overcoming of oneself and the moral values that plagued philosophical thinking then, e.g. kant, whose categorical imperative smacked of christian values.
Society (i.e. you and me) was to be a bridge for the ubermensch. The concept of the ubermensch is therefore prospective and self-sacrificing, the common man cannot strive to be the ubermensch, but can only strive to pave the way for him.
astralateral 2 years ago
@ShwaNerd That can't happen! That goes against what Ubermensche characterizes.
danieljliversLXXXIX 1 year ago
@ShwaNerd "should be society as a whole" really? making things better? you know, nietzsche defined "better" as suffering. Untermenchs is what you just described, the last man, where everyone is the same and everyone works together to be happy. yeah, i might be miss reading you, but i dont believe that nietzsche thought that "all of humanity" should be the ubermensch. I applaud you though for attempting to penetrate nietzsche. good video. except for your leftist socialist leanings.
KaligulaLoves 1 year ago
@ShwaNerd Nooo. Nietzsche was an elitist and anti-political. Your whole first sentence would be pure slave morality to Nietzsche. The Ubermensch is best understood in terms of the Eternal Return. Imagine that time is circular and that after you die, everything that ever happened in the universe happens all over again an infinite number of times. Someone who could bear the thought of living their whole life over again an infinite number of times is an Ubermensch.
godlessyurifan 6 months ago
#1. That particular book was not published nor was it meant to be. His wife edited and published it after his death with propagandist views.
#2. The Ubermench is almost always misunderstood. It means simply to live with no regrets. It is a state of becoming that one can be at times while not at others. Just about everything else associated with it is other people.
Durakken 2 years ago
Have your parents found out about your opinions yet? XD keep it up dude
Virtuoso883 2 years ago
Nietzsche was close to being an Objectivist, like Ayn Rand. I never really bought into any of that sort of self centered thinking. Too caught up in the self as if a lack of a religiously backed afterlife meeded some replacement.
The sum total of all great thinkers boils down to one short phrase:
"Hurp-a-durp.."
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
Actually, Rand stole and dumbed down Nietzsche for her stuff, so your comparison should be the other way around.
cappastrano 2 years ago 3
@cappastrano: Well, yeah :P
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
I think "upper man" would be a better term for "übermensch"..
canerdc 2 years ago
The wordplay of "Überwinden" in "Übermensch" doesn't translate as well into "upper" or "super" man, as these latter two only describe the end goal - something one couldn't necessarily achieve - instead of the constant process of trying to rise above one's 'humanity'.
Though really, it doesn't matter what one translates it as, as long as one understands what it stands for.
SonofTzeentch 2 years ago
In light of this Nietzsche seemed to view religion and general dogma as a buffer to our potential both as a society and as a species. As for existentialism many see it as sort of the fulfillment of the overman and Nietzsche as a proto-existentialist. It's notion of "existence precedes essence" seems to strike at the very heart of the overman's power - to live and grow without the buffer or without the presuppositions that narrow our potential
NearVSMello 2 years ago
"All beings so far have created something beyond themselves; and do you want to be the ebb of this great flood and even go back to the beasts rather than overcome man? What is the ape to man? A laughingstock or a painful embarrassment. And man shall be just that for the overman: a laughingstock or a painful embarrassment"
Nietzsche: Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
NearVSMello 2 years ago 2
As I recall Nietzsche seemed to depicted his overman as someone who could adapt well in post-theistic times. Rather than binding his potential to the limits and labels set by a perceived deity or for that matter any presupposed doctrine over his nature, he would live his by will alone - putting faith in his pure nature but without presupposing what that nature is - and around this sort of anti-creed he would then rebuild society.
NearVSMello 2 years ago
Funny you should bring up Nietzsche. I'm actually doing a religion project right now and had to choose an important religious figure, so naturally I chose Nietzsche (we had to pick from a list and he was actually on it.)
Patman128 2 years ago
lol, an atheist was on a list of religious people?
Talk about a misunderstanding of epic proportions
waltermh111 2 years ago
Yea, so the Ubermensch is more of a evolution of morality rather than some plot to create biological superior humans.
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aaronk1994 2 years ago
Too bad we actually have that quote from Nietzsche... do you happen to have a recording of god saying this? It'd be great evidence for his existence, rather than a feeble attempt at humor. To bad the only ones to ever say that are the believers in god, not god himself/herself/itself/itsnoodlyage.
ShwaNerd 2 years ago
Disco is dead.
Syntheticbrawler 2 years ago 5
I guess in the free market of ideas, it will be the ubermensch of this generation, if I understand this correctly, that will provide the next generation a diverse array of secular solutions for the free society to come after the coming collapse.? Would this make the Ubermensch something akin to practical philosophers? just trying to understand this concept outside how it was misused.
humanbeing2197 2 years ago
Ubermensch sounds dirty, just sayin'
qdragon1337 2 years ago
ShwaNerd: I'm interested in your reasons as to why you are a socialist? I mean, if you're pro-"people making their own decisions and being motivated to get on the top of the mountain", then why control what they can do and what they can't, or why make them lazy by giving some of them money and taking it from others? It would be great if you could make a video about it. Nice one. Cheers!
bArT8472 2 years ago
lol, you are funny
You fell hook line and sinker for conservative / libertarian propaganda
First, many countries in the world are heavily socialist without having low productivty.
Only anarchy allows complete control over your decisions, but then maybe not if it still has rules enforced by somebody or punishments for crime, whether punishment is given by society through mob structure or some council.
But I dont think such a society is stable in numbers over a few thousand.
waltermh111 2 years ago
Most socialist societies are mixed market and private propety ownership socieites.
They allow for being motivated to get to the top because you still make more money at the top, and have more power.
They just limit how much power your allowed to have, and wealth distribution is inevitable in any monitary society.
Rich rip off the power, or the state takes from the rich.
Business wont start being moral/ethical if gov goes away or becomes minimally regulating
waltermh111 2 years ago
I like NIetsche a lot. My favorite concept besides nihilism is the super man. But I wouldnt call nihilism a concept just a reality.
jay666KJ 2 years ago
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humanbeing2197 2 years ago
I agree. The fall of religion could cause problems.
Have you read Camus yet?
zarkoff45 2 years ago
@zarkoff45
Religion hasn't fallen yet.
Luke94711 2 years ago
Interesting vid ya i will go read more about it thank you for the info I agree now in the 21st century God does not cut it any more in giveing us meaning or morality 5 stars
fallbread 2 years ago
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humanbeing2197 2 years ago
The Nazi party attacked democracy, liberalism, marxism, and communism. They were "socialist" almost in name only. Yeah... the Nazis supported social programs.... like social darwinism. They're an insanely racist offshoot of fascism. By identifying myself as socialist I haven't at all made myself appear "like a nazi" unless a troll would like to point that out (not calling you out, just saying others might do that).
ShwaNerd 2 years ago
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humanbeing2197 2 years ago
I didn't say I was calling you a troll, I was saying that someone who would think I'm "like a nazi" based on liking socialism would either be a troll or really uneducated. You're neither.
ShwaNerd 2 years ago
Common use of Socialism has nothing to with the National Socialist Workers Party.
Are you a worker? If you ever done a job for money or to barter, then you're a worker, remember that.
If you answered, yes,you're a worker and then you must be a NAZI by your own defintion of things.
MinervaInTheBrain 2 years ago
I don't see where you are going, but I am interested. Any work I have done is as an individual in a voluntary contract that is revokable at any time. I do not enter into social contracts for "the greater good."
humanbeing2197 2 years ago
"...socialist in a discussion involving nazism"
Wow. Fail. Jack shit in a title.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago
Next, make a vid bashing the hell out of Ayn Rand!!
motleycruenoob 2 years ago 2
@motleycruenoob What do you have against Ayn Rand?
bArT8472 2 years ago
Just the more I think of it, the less she seems like a "true" phylosopher. Her thought aren't enlightening or insightful, and I think she's full of crap or atleast a "bad phylosophy"
motleycruenoob 2 years ago