Jeff Koons Versailles

[NLOVESMJ]

Awwwwww.MICHAEL JACKSON 4EVER.

[BushidopeMMXI]

jeff koons is the shit.

[sarkisartist]

I find it funny that art critics aim to put Koons across as having democratized art, making "low culture" into "high culture". The comments here show that despite how PR and the press try to manipulate people, a lot of people are actually fed up by being treated as though we're idiots and receptive to the manipulative irony of the "art" industry today.

[MsZoeHankins]

I'll be brave and say, I actually LIKE Jeff Koons' art. His body of work is quite compelling if you're sensitive enough to examine his inquiries into the explicit and implicit aspects of celebrity and materiality. Jealous, small-minded people continue to dismiss artists who make profit from their practice (e.g. Warhol), and it degrades the importance of their art. Not all artists have to be dirt-poor martyrs.

[ritter89]

@MsZoeHankins i'm all for profit but this guy has no skills or original ideas. whenever I see Jeff Koons I think of Dunning-Kruger effect and the excellent article "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties In Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments". Koons is the poster child for that theory

[NewRisingSong]

Jeff Koons is a catchy name, combine this with a lot of money and you got his art.

[arfy754]

Wow, what interesting camera angles

[ElvenStarlight]

ALL OF MY HATE

[diorVon]

This guy is literally a fucking maniac.

Are you kidding me? What does a blow up lobster from walmart, or a helium balloon animal have to do with history or transcending time???

This is not art, the man is fucking crazy.

[talesdauphin]

He WILL rot in hell for this, won't he?

[nemrutbaba]

"Fresh and contemporary", just like Cicciolina

[TheJbach]

very interesting.....

[rvggarcon]

This just makes me want to go there, take some scissors out and start popping and cutting the shit out of that helium filled lobster. But then Jeff would probably sue me for $50,000 in damages, then the judge would probably rule that this piece of shit was only worth $10 and from wallmart!!!!!!!!!

[chandru1103]

@rvggarcon It's made of stainless steel so popping it might be hard. And actually the piece is in the millions not 50,000$.

[rvggarcon]

@chandru1103 I was being sarcastic.

[chandru1103]

@rvggarcon damn this interweb thing.

[CatZula]

Why in the world would anybody want the dichotomy of crappy, shiny, contemporary art with Versailles...shall we load up the palace with mounds of garbage next? Ah, yes, great dichotomy!

[chandru1103]

@CatZula The palace is a hall of garbage. Exaggerated Imperialist shit. Jeff Koons is only added to the over-the-top egomaniacal halls of that rat trap.

[mjaysmonk]

≈Loves it! Such a great dycotamy

[Starwheel6]

Art like science and spirituality are not a democracy. Otherwise it would be, "Flat earth or round earth? Vote now." Or Evolution or Creationism vote now." There are levels of science as well as art. It's not snobbery because well educated scientists get together and discern which are the most valid theories from the crap. The same is true with art. Van Gogh's sunflowers hold up over time because well educated artists recognize quality. Koons has a huge problem. Crap doesn't hold up over time.

[Starwheel6]

@tokyopsycho Koons is like the ethically blind "artist" who makes sculptures to

be placed in the courtyard of Auschwitz.

Or he is like the Japanese chef who thinks he is an "artist" therefore he thinks

it's all right to use whale meat or polar bear meat.

It's up to artists of the 21st century to tell foolish hacks to F--k off!

It's the sacred duty of visionary artists to verbally destroy the corporate

Auschwitz/McDonalds hacks who enable corporate global destroyers.

This is extremely important.

[Starwheel6]

@tokyopsycho Koons doesn't make art. It's schlock or at best Kitsch.

Most art critics are bought & sold by corporate media.

Art & artists have to have a certain level of quality for it to be fine art.

Velvet paintings of Elvis are not fine art like Koons level crap.

Artists see with heightened awareness.

This goes back thousands of years when the shaman/artists were the tribal visionaries who helped reboot the culture when the tribe did things that were unsustainable. Koons is a corp doormat.

[Starwheel6]

@tokyopsycho You said, "Everything has the right to exist whether you like it or not, unless you're a fascist."

According to you Auschwitz has a right to exist.

Genocidal Hitler & Pol Pot have a right to exist?

Get your definitions right.

Fascism is when the State & Corporations meld & control govt.

The Ronald McDonald philosophy of having a McDonalds in every town

in China is unsustainable. You are supporting the devastation of rain forests,

plants & animals when you support Koons..

[Starwheel6]

@tokyopsycho More to the point is that Wall street, corporate types deserve shallow Koons -style art. Hideous greedtards of the corporate world don't have the karma for great art. Spiritually bankrupt greedtards deserve Koons.

This is a good sign to me. Shallow people resonate with low quality crap.

The morally bankrupt lack depth & cannot discern quality & can only surround themselves with projections. People who are foolish deserve to be surrounded by bad art. It makes perfect sense.

[Starwheel6]

Koons should be designing playgrounds for McDonald's.

Koons makes shallow vision corporate crap.

Sometimes Pop is another word for commercial fast-food culture Koons licks the butt of Ronald McDonald and calls that a life.

Pathetic. Koons is trapped in an abyss of crap and not smart enough to know it.

Big deal-corporate greedtards who know nothing about art, quality or

the meaning of life pay huge sums for glitzy shallow crap -

it's solidified insecurity.

Koons is lost..

[spd13062]

Koons is the most vapid, vain person to curse the art world with his presence. The more he talks about art, the the more it all sounds like hot air bs. I've never seen an interesting piece by him, or his staff. To place his stuff here was a really bad idea.

[boodspuppy]

@spd13062

I totally agree!

[DunneArtmateur]

why dont you try to even make something special with your imagination??

something unique

[CatZula]

So deeply, deeply boring. If Koon's piece aren't a critique (and he has openly stated so for many years) they really are just a massive celebration of kitsch. Don't ask me why he continues to enjoy the prices and reputation he enjoys. About the only thing he ever did that was gutsy was the Made in Heaven Series...but then that makes Rocco Siffredi look like some sort of genius. Just dumb. No bright ideas at all.

[screwmath]

I FUCKING HATE YOU JEFF KOONS

[oklapi]

@screwmath I bet he is shocked, by your add way of answering

[soniccage]

I also like to enjoy Jeff Koons

So please direct further comments elsewhere

<3

[carlpope]

For me, Koons has made sculptures of the very things that has made us all happy at one time or another whether its Michael Jackson, puppies, a shiny gift, a Valentine heart or a balloon dog. The workmanship and use of the materials in the artwork is top notch and is above debate. It seems that this artwork offends those who reject the way these objects operate in the world (materialism) and in our lives. The show works! The Louvre is full of objects of desire and what Koons' work re-presents.

[taxiride1]

But shouldn't a really talented artist be able to do something that I can't? Otherwise there's no such thing as an artist, were just people who have dog shaped balloons fabricated.

[boodspuppy]

taxride1, you are absolutely right!

[torchemily]

Talent is nothing without zeal. Just because someone is talented, that does not make them an artist. Ex: Bob Ross, talented painter, not an artist.

[boodspuppy]

I agree; you need also zeal. But here, both are missing.

[torchemily]

ok, explain.....Oh let me guess, you feel as though the best artists were from 100yrs ago. Or even better, you believe Thomas Kinkade is one the most amazing artists of our time. Yea, I bet you're a Kinkade fan, you seem simple like that. For god sakes, you agree with taxiride 1 who doesn't believe he needs to know anything about art to criticize it. Sorry, don't believe you studied art. Nothing you've said has been an honest critical analysis.

[boodspuppy]

@torchemily

Thomas kinkade...who is he? I can suggest Ulisse Sartini as a true artist.

Anyway, you can keep your opinion as I can keep mine. And concerning my studies, you can think what you please. I'm not interested in convincing you of anything.

[torchemily]

@boodspuppy; Sartini is very talented, but his work does not do much more than that; show off his talent. Art is capable of so much more. I know you're a fan of the classics, which is fine (or classic style). But to denounce anything beyond that is truly unfortunate. You are missing so many of the important things that art can do.

[boodspuppy]

If what I'm missing is the works like Koons's, then I consider myself deep fortunate. Sartini (which I had the honour to meet personally) is not only talented in the way of tecnique, but also for his themes, inconography and original style (you can always recognize one of his paintings without knowing it's his). His personality is the one of an artist. Annigoni was another good artist of the XX century.

[torchemily]

You really think Sartini has talented themes, iconography & originality?!? You think Annigoni is a good artist?!? What have they accomplished that wasn't done yrs ago already? Any1 can learn to paint like a surgeon. You believe that that way of painting is the only way to paint. Honey, you are the 1 who is brainwashed. Let me know when you really want to talk art. By the way, if you didn't want to convince me or any1 else of your opinion, why bother looking up Koons & making inept statements?

[boodspuppy]

Yes, I really think so. If one should start walking around with shit on his head just because nobody did it before thinking he's done something original in art then would be much better to look at tradition.

Concerning my statements, I have the right to express my point of view like anyone else; this seems to trouble you. Expressing an opinion SHOULD be normal among civil people. Calling ignorant somebody just because he doesn't think like you leads to a sterile debate.

[torchemily]

I never called you ignorant. I just wanted better answers to my questions. You tend to barely answer questions that I ask you. I asked you those questions to see how sure you were about your convictions. And every1 is entitled to their opinion. There is just 1 thing to remember; opinions can be wrong. Non-the-less, HAPPY NEW YEAR!

[boodspuppy]

@torchemily "opinions can be wrong."

I agree. And this applies to you as well.

Have a Happy new year too!

[boodspuppy]

"Any1 can learn to paint like a surgeon."

Haha!!! This is ilarious!

[boodspuppy]

@torchemily

No, we still have wonderful artists talented and full of zeal. The trouble is that this sick art world of ours enhance uglyness instead of promoting beauty and talentuous artists. The result is having a lot of crap art pushed ahead and disposed in the most prestigious places (with horror of the visitors), keeping good valuable artists brushed aside.

[torchemily]

@boodspuppy: Ah you see, that is exactly what Koons is commenting on with our culture. His work is supposed to be disgusting; it reflects how disgusting our culture is b/c we are more familiar with these objects and they are like idols to us. They are in the Versailles to show that parody. Even though you don't like Koons, you have to be able to applaud him a little for that?

[boodspuppy]

The Koons's message is quite clear; nevertheless I think it is still a bit too little. An idea, a couple of balloons, a good and perhaps well paid art dealer and that's it; the artist is made! Come on, let's look at real things and call them with their real names!

[carlpope]

He is working from art history and has made an important contribution to it. If you were to do what Koons has done, you would have had to formulate this approach with years worth of work and do it before everyone else. It is easy to sit back and say its easy to do artwork when someone else has done it first. Now, if you have the talent to top Koons, be my guest. Just know that many people are working on the doing same thing.

[torchemily]

A lot of you need to learn about post modernism. And, I'm sorry, but those that don't "understand" are usually the uneducated.

[boodspuppy]

Well, I'm very well educated as I graduated in an art college in Italy; nevertheless I don't see art in a fun fair dog balloon. Sorry if I have a mind of my own.

[torchemily]

I think you maybe confusing a mind of your own with your personal likes and dislikes. Disliking a piece of work doesn't always mean it isn't good. By the way, since you're educated in art, why don't you define "art" for me. Because I cannot help but think by your comment that you're missing the big picture.

[boodspuppy]

No, I don't agree. I can easily say that I don't like for example a renaissance painting such as Federigo da Montefeltro; nevertheless I can recognize the artistic gift and high value of Piero della Francesca. But I have a mind of my own in the moment somebody wants me to recognize a plastic baloon as a valuable piece of art. That's non-sense and, thanking God, I'm not the only one still thinking. Art; how can I explain in a few lines what philosophers have not been able to do in volumes!

[torchemily]

"I can easily say that I don't like for example a renaissance painting such as Federigo da Montefeltro; nevertheless I can recognize the artistic gift and high value of Piero della Francesca." OK, you DID agreed with me? Oh, & you can't give me a quick definition? Too bad, you seem so confident in knowing what art isn't

[torchemily]

Boodspuppy, you strike me as someone who would buy a piece of art because it matched your couch. I feel like I need to recommend books for you b/c your statements are so far off. I'm sorry, you do not sound like someone who has studied art. But you do sound like someone stuck in the old ways. You'd probably support a todays "entartete Kunst."

[boodspuppy]

@torchemily OK, you DID agreed with me?

On the contrary; I was proving that I do not confuse a mind of my own with what I like and what I dislike without recognizing where artistic value is. The example I thought was quite clear.

[torchemily]

@broodspuppy; perhaps I wasn't clear, I'll give an example; I have seen many pieces of art that I didn't like. But, once I knew what the artist's intent for the piece was, I still didn't like it, but I could also say that the work was good. I hope that makes better sense. Remember; our bias does not always = our position.

[boodspuppy]

A bright idea and original thought it is not enough to obtain a work of art (or for considering it so). Skill, tecnique and most of all talent must not be forgotten.

[boodspuppy]

I had to go through all that "so-called" post-modernism...but I did not have my brain washed!

[torchemily]

Brain washed? Is that your excuse? You're stubborn that's for sure. And I don't think that you know anything about Koons. Oh, but wait, why don't you google it real quick and write something back to convince me. Every comment you've made has nothing to do with what the work. If you studied in Italy, you weren't paying attention.

[boodspuppy]

@torchemily

No excuse; the real excuse is when I hear so-called art experts telling to others that they are ignorant just beacause they do not agree with sterile contemporary art. I know little but enough about Koons; I would not waist my time to envolve myself with google. I rather emply my time studying quality art.

Last, but not least, I do not wish to convince you about nothing.

[torchemily]

@boodspuppy; -sigh- I wish I could convince you. I'm fine if you don't like it, but to say it isn't good b/c it lacks artistic value is very sad to hear from someone who has studied art. Odd thing is that I use to think just like you, if not worse. It wasn't until i asked myself "What's the point? Why make art?" until I realized the world needs more than pretty pictures. Art is a language, a science, a philosophy. It is necessary for us. I hope 1 day you can move beyond Sartini.

[taxiride1]

Does anyone remember when artists were talented and just didn't make crap and then accuse everyone who actually says "thats crap" of not really understanding...

[soniccage]

How can one call something so joyful, happy, humouresque, inventive (see dog horticulture) etc "crap" ?

[taxiride1]

It's blow up lobsters hanging in Versailles. Poor LeBrun. The whole thing is like making a cake and then decerating it with pickled onions.

[soniccage]

*looks at av (and tshirt)*

I think you should get a teaching in style (and art) history before commenting on it

Try 60's pop art (British, American), away from Warhol, then come back

Furthermore, everyone says "be able to do something that I can't?"... but often "you" (people) only can do if someone does before "you"..

And look into the "Kitsch Art" movement (before the hot topic crap)... learn the difference

[taxiride1]

Are you telling me that I have to go and study before I can appreciate art that is meant for my pleasure? Thats just stupid because after that I'd have to go and learn to be a restaurant critic before I ate out. I'd have to get tennis lessons before I watched Wimbledon...

[soniccage]

Dude, I had a look at your myspace, you look like an average guy with no taste whatsoever (you may be nice, but going by style etc alone...), so I wouldn't expect you to have any intriguing opinion on modern art (of course not everyone who has a drab sense of style is without a sense of understanding style, modern and/or kitsch art etc... but you seem to be

[soniccage]

...and in the context of Kitsch, if one has no understanding of Kitsch that came before Hot Topic and the Junk being shoved down ones throat these days, without looking at history, art history, kitsch art history, I doubt one has a context of understanding and appreciating....

Now fix your tshirt, that's the wrong end of Kitsch; jumbled up visual crap

[soniccage]

... and let me enjoy Jeff

[chandru1103]

Yes we are telling you you must do all those things to critique something. Otherwise you are an ignorant person making ignorant claims. The difference with the examples you gave is that art is an intellectual field, therefore you must learn about it before you can comment harshly on it. Also a big problem that I think people have is that he puts his name on things "he doesn't make" well so does Gucci, Prada, and any other high class production, so why is art held to the higher standard?

[boodspuppy]

This comment is absolutely gorgeous! Bravo! This is the only era where people dislike the art they are obbliged to live with.

[boodspuppy]

Yes, we all remember as we can still see the beauty in real works of art such as the David by Michelangelo or the Monna Lisa by Leonardo da Vinci.

[taxiride1]

I just don't think Jeff Koons is capable of art like renaissance master so he does this "stuff" that can only be enjoyed by a minority who think that if they do not like it they're somehow a philistine.

[chandru1103]

The Mona Lisa is the single most ugly painting ever to be reproduced in the quantities it has. It is a small shit brown blotch. It is ironic that you use such works to describe beauty when they are MORE shallow than any of the works Koons makes. It is only about superficial technique and nothing else. Meanwhile you have Koons, who knowingly makes shockingly "surfacey" works and suddenly its not "real" art anymore. Pa-lease! You obviously fell asleep during art history courses.

[boodspuppy]

What a comment full of ignorancy! Superficial tecnique. Hahahahahah!!!!

[chandru1103]

What else is there in that painting other than mechanical technique and an interest in illusions? Nothing. Its nothing. Its a brown picture of a meaningless woman that fortunately is falling apart. It's a painting of smoke and mirrors therefore it is as I said a shit brown blotch on the Louvre's haughty walls. Da Vinci painted it thinking he was being expressive, at least Koons knows he's being shallow. There is much more depth when you choose to be shallow.

[chandru1103]

@boodspuppy Its "MONA" Lisa you dumbass.

[boodspuppy]

@chandru1103 That's it! Ignorancy + arrogance. My dear chandru, as I see, you have a complete superficial knowledge of ancient European art. Monna is the Florentine word to call Donna; which means Lady. Mona is a very bad Venetian word which means the most female part of the body. So, tell me who's the Dumbass, now.

[chandru1103]

Still you. The majority spells it Mona...therefore that is how it is spelled. The majority rules at all times, here the majority says that Jeff Koons is a genius, otherwise he wouldnt be rich. MONEY= FAME=IMPORTANCE. You can't live by art's OLD definition when there is a new one to contend with. I don't know what they taught you in that art school, but give me the name so I can steer clear. The Old masters are dead and so is their art, minus Carravaggio. He killed someone which is really great.

[boodspuppy]

The "majority" of what? The correct name still remains Monna Lisa, detta La Gioconda (and you started it all). For the rest of your comment I realize it is a waste of time to keep on arguing with you.

[chandru1103]

Very much a waste of time. Isn't that the role of the internet though...haha nice speaking to you. :)

[9543455417]

THE AUDACITY

[boodspuppy]

Is about time to throw in the dustbin this kind of rubbish they call art. This stuff offend Versailles and its beauty. Let's look for artists, the real ones.

[chandru1103]

How can gawdy and ostentatious artwork "offend" Versailles. It is also gawdy and ostentatious?...they go well together. Anyone who thinks that Versailles isn't about smoke and mirrors, corruption and greed is deluding themselves. And this IS art today and no one is going to stop it anytime soon, which is great because who wants art ignorant people running the art world?

[boodspuppy]

Don't worry; for what I see, the contemporary art world is already runned by ignorant people. And ignorancy is difficult TO stop.

[Suggi1985]

I was last year in New York and I saw the same statute there (like in 0:13) but just in red :-) it' was Ok in NY but NOT in Versailles...I don't like it there!!!

[chandru1103]

Modern opulence and frivolity meets the old opulence and frivolity, why is it so controversial? Versailles is a gawdy representation of what little work, (on the part of the aristocracy), and a lot of money can do and so is Koons work, he knows its and embraces it. To call it shit, maybe getting to his point completely.

[smokinbill]

Come on people, art is meant to be subjective. Don't bash others just cause you don't like it. Except this isn't art, so I can call it shit - which it is.

[suhailayinn]

.HATE.

[polarbear2134]

I was just at Versailles, and I'm so glad this stuff wasn't there to ruin my visit.

[soniccage]

I would have loved to see it

[1Enkidu]

What a charlatan...

I cannot wait until this period of art is shown for what it is. Trash, by hacks..and wealthy idiots like Mugrabi eat crow losing their fortune from their "investments".

"Representation of human abundance and potential"...

...oh please...

[xlerosx]

@1Enkidu

And what do you think is Art?

[nakedhand]

the depth of kitch

[ilikewhatilike918]

i like the doggie!

[Vimerola7]

I don't get this. His work has NOTHING to do with Versailles. It's is an classical and beautiful place, and the sculptures are contemporary. He says it's about contrast, but it just seems wrong and out of place. Wouldn't it be better if it was exposed on the Pompidou? I don't know... Maybe I'm too ignorant and it's something brilliant.

[doubty24]

I think that is exactly the point though - the uniqueness of each time period creates a dialogue between the two, with the effect of potentially disorienting the viewer.  I find it to be an interesting juxtaposition.

[dah0dah0dah]

postmodernism

[vivi252]

reminds me of the story "the emperor's new clothes". Lots of crap but "intellectuals" applauding it.

[Wacek4444]

vivi, admit you're just plain dumb

Koons isnt one of the great ones though

[mehartoareir]

i see you consider yourself as one of those "intellectuals" huh? btw, you DO know the story right? please please say that you do.

[soniccage]

No.. it has a childlike quality.. Maybe that's what you're totally missing

I find his work both visually tasty and humorously uplifting

[samland31]

Jeff Koons needs to get fucked.

[eddiemambo]

Koonz  Kontinues To Rock!!

[NYCEcreamLRG]

I must say that I adore his whole CELEBRATION art work

[haydavisito]

nice contrast, i would have killed to be there. trippy.

[sjaspert]

king of contemporary art at Versailles