“Have I? I've seen belief move cities, make men stave off death, and turn an evil’s hag heart half-circle. This entire Fortress has been constructed from belief. Belief damned a woman, whose heart clung to the hope that another loved her when he did not. Once, it made a man seek immortality and achieve it. And it has made a posturing spirit think it is something more than a part of me.”
Beholding the entire universe at once...seeing and feeling everything,being dead,being alive...being everything and none,looking from every eye and hearing from every ear.Accept all has both true and false...And understanding the concepts.
Your nature is changing,for your own body is no longer a factor..whatever will or knowledge that was inserted becomes futile.
All that remains-is a pure opinion of everything-Your Inner self reveals-And your nature awaken!
I found the end to be depressing but sort of happy and fulfilling (don't people call that 'bittersweet' or something?) in the end The Nameless One went through all this suffering and torment and so much death happened as a result of The Nameless One's actions and yet he still didn't atone for his crimes and he ended up having to go to the Blood War anyway.
But at the same time at least he regained his mortality and put an end to the horrible cycle, and from the look of his face
Deionarra, one of the many crimes of the Nameless One. Regret guide his path towards atonement. "What can change the nature of a man...". And at the end of days, Deionarra awaits at deaths halls for her love to return. But first, there are some demons to slay.
This is still by far the best storyline of any game i've ever played. The nostalgia i get listening to this. The first time when you wake up and talk to Deionarra, and not knowing what is going on. Then coming back when you know whats going on and seeing her. You feel sorry for her, and the nameless one, even though they are just a piece of code :( . Best story ever written imo <3
This breaks me down and builds me up again. A song of this emotional magnitude coupled with an overwhelming amount of nostalgia... it gets to me every single time.
I have no shame in admitting I cheated and gave myself max stats at the start of the game. But that's because I played purely for the story, and I never re-tried a conversation... except that one time when I accidentally pissed off Annah in a casual conversation and she quit. That made my jaw drop.
Playing this game. Although it looks like being made with papercut figures nowadays, it still has cartloads of atmosphere (and unlike many other cherished oldies it is not cheesy and actually makes sense (I think old games get a bonus there far too easy)). If you can ignore the fighting system, this is the perfect, transcendent RPG.
Regret... Regret can change the nature of man as it did change the nature of the first incarnation!
What an amazing story Planescape was. Truly a masterpiece. It could have been easily a movie or a book. The game felt literally like reading a book (till the fights in Baator of course).
@SadakoSenpai many things can change the nature of a man. The love for someone, the feeling of vengence, even something small like feeling like something in life is missing. I believe the nature of man changes all the time. The big question is whether or not you have the fortitude to accept that change.
@Novalok18 No, I don't think anything can truely change man's nature. We have a huge system of laws whether written or moral, but when man's nature comes out, neither threat of death or loss of freedom can change man's innate animalistic state. Placing the group before the individual is transcendent, but our nature does not allow it. Just my thoughts, though, Planescape really makes you think critically about the world we live in.
@matmanxify I would not mind the graphics, but they would need to retain the talent of storytelling, the characters, and the atmosphere or else it will be completely alien to the original
Ive never played a game with as much depth as this. There are awesome games in our days, like Mass Effect, which I only played years after it was out because I thought it was just another generic crap. The deal is that the technology has changed, and nowadays people dont want to read about something, they want to see it with the best CG avaiable. That is why another Planescape wouldnt work. The game was so good because you were willing to image all its greatness, and read all the stories.
You shall meet enemies three, but none more dangerous than yourself in your full glory. They are shades of good, of evil and of neutrality given life and twisted by the laws of the planes.
@ShiningNow Ha-haaa! It's funny because it's true!
- Ravel was evil but has done good actions, saving people's life due to the regret she felt for causing so much pain.
- Trias was good but he ultimately thought that he had to do anything in his power for good to triumph, even using the worst and most low methods available.
- The Trascendent One is neutral, but his cowardly nature makes him act strangely, performing good deeds or evil deeds "for the lulz" instead of being consistently neutral.
@Owneador1337 3rd should be Fhjull, not Trancendent One. Trias is good, but twisted, he is a liar and traitor. Ravel is axis of neutrality, but emotions take over her soul. And Fhjull is evil, but forced to do good deeds.
@maeliev I can't see the neutrality in Ravel. I think she's just evil and chaotic. Her "spawns" (Marta, Ei'Vene, and Mebbeth) are good, but that's because she spawn them after being stuck in the maze for a long time.
@Owneador1337 Grey Waste, which Ravel comes from is plain of Neutral Evil. But if you are still in doubt, maybe Chris Avellone will convince you better than me: planescapeDOToutshineDOTcom/crapDOTplanescape-tormentDOTorg/threads/chris_prophecy2DOThtml
@Owneador1337 in place of every 'DOT' put '.' -unfortunately YT wont display normal web address. So, its normal . like at the rear end of written sentence. I know my english is not perfect, but i would bet my balls this symbol is called dot, hehehe. I hope I make it a bit clearer:)
Once everything he found to be his faith suddenly die...once all turned to be one massive lie,once all hope is gone...
Since the soul of the suffering one can no longer live in the world,a world of lies,a world with no hope...the nature changes,since the old Tormented soul can no longer remain...so the body replaces it in order to survive.
Or...instead of the body,the mind is replaced by massive rage,and a nightmare is formed.
I feel special for playing and loving Planescape: Torment. Its not nerdy its just... they dont make games like these anymore. I enjoy modern games but they are like holywood action movies. You enjoy them and thats all. Can any of "modern gamers" say that soundtrack of their favourite game can make them cry? i dont believe so. I believe i belong to a generation of luckiest gamers. I love ps:torment. I love black isle.
@babal1ty That's quite unjust to say that. True, modern games are more flashy and less profound, but you can't blame the soundtracks. Soundtracks are just as great (if not better) that they were.
@ZeFourmis you got me wrong. its the memories what make you cry. not music itself. music lets you to remember those good old days. in my humble opinion of course.
@babal1ty True. Deionarra's theme makes us remember the words "I'll wait for you in death's halls, my love...", remember the visions from the sensory stones and the ultimate betrayal on Deionarra. The soundtrack from, say, Morrowind makes us remember.... Running around the countryside hacking and slashing while searching for some silly dwarves you couldn't care less about.
@mattdk88 yes for example i ve played morrowind and oblivion and enjoyed much. but thats all. i ve forgotten them all and i have no will to play them again. i will play skyrim when its out but i m not even a little excited about it. i get excited more while installing fallout 2 for 10th time on my pc.
@babal1ty I know what you mean. I haven't played the game in years, but there are specific characters, minor ones that have left an imprint in my memory. Like Jumble Murdersense, the headless noble, the Lady of Pain, and the man who was the very manifestation of the letter O.
This is one game that no one should remake. That includes Obsidian, and they're the best writers (and some of the worst bug-fixers) in the gaming industry.
I didn't liked BG since Forgotten Realms are no place for "including the kitchen sink" characters. It was the only game that gave me suicidal thoughts when I finally confronted myself and realized that drifting skulls, virgin succubi and paranoic, practical amnesiacs seducing hags for a living and talking his enemies to death are just fruits of imaginagion. What an empty life I have.
For any who are wishing to relive classics like Torment, Baldurs gate etc, I'd advise checking gog out... Piracy pisses me off, even for a game as old as this. So if you must download them, at least do it legally.
Give games the respect they deserve and pay for them.
@Grigeral Well, GDP plays a huge factor for some residents in other countries. The average American makes 1,800% more than some people do, and those people aren't poor in their own countries. So when a single game comes out to be roughly 5-10% of their monthly salary because nothing is adjusted, then I can see piracy as justified. I would have passed on Aquaria if instead of $20 it ran upwards of nearly $3,800 purely because of how currency doesn't always translate properly.
@Valkod23 I guess I can understand in those situations. But that said, generally speaking if I can't afford something, I make do without. I understand people do it and I aint that assed. I just think the industry needs support.
If I ever do download something, if I like it, I buy it. If I don't, I delete it.
this song should have been the main theme...it describes the whole feeling of the game, the torment of the planes forever changed by a man who was so afraid of death he managed to cheat it,the regret of his deeds and the pain he brought on others...this piece is a pure art
nope BLOPS is teh best game of all time for hardcore gamers such as myself
if you disagree you are Justin Beiber xD lol
But in all seriousness, this game is still to this day one of the few games that did story telling right and managed to create a weird, interesting and yet believable universe.
life and death, things that we don't really confront on behalf of the wisdom and fear inside them, yet they all come to my mind when the sound waving in my ear.
@HostileHeretic Toy around with it a bit, do some research, you should be able to get it to work. I've managed to on Win7 64bit ultimate so I don't see why it shouldn't. Don't install it to the default directory. Make another folder outside of program files and install it to that. Change your video card drivers if you have to. Try running it in a window in compatability mode? Among other things.. Depends on what the problem is..
I love Torment, it will always have a special place for me, one of my all time favorites. That being said, I dislike pretentious naysayers who gripe like a bunch of old men reminiscing about the "golden years." Get over yourselves, and get over the fact that this game is one of a kind. I wouldn't mind another game set in Planescape, but the Torment storyline needs to remain forever closed.
@xalagarf FU! Being a kid when the game was out and having a kid's IQ took me a whiiiiile to pass it, I'm too lazy to pass it again when I know the story and I did everything there is to do in the game... a sequel would prob ruin the feel of the game but I WANNA KNOW HIS DAMN NAME. And where the fuck he went that Annah couldn't follow him... :( I liked Annah... I agree the story needs to be closed, but it's not cool to leave him nameless just 'cuz you can't think of something epic... :P Sorry :)
@SoulerGTD If they had left him with a name, people wouldn't still be as interested in the game as they are. I've read articles discussing probabilities for the different names. Leaving him Nameless, they leave you wondering. Perhaps you are right, they couldn't find a name big enough for him. Credits to them, however, for creating a character too big for any name. Perhaps that is what they realized. A name would constrain him, both ingame and offgame. All hail the Nameless One ;)
@mattdk88 I'm glad they didn't name him. It puts emphasis on the concept of the name rather than what it is. If they had out and out said that his name was Stanley, I think people would be disappointed.
@xalagarf the storyline should end - sure. It was a tale that should end and not be serialized and run out like so many franchises today, but old men can still lament the end of development of games with this depth, right? I mean... graphics have made great leaps forward, but gameplay has gone backward as developers cater to the new, and bigger "casual" crowd instead of the hardcore. Fans of 'Torment' were playing games before all the jock losers took up Madden and called themselves l33t
@acidragdoll I agree, it was much more balanced and rewarding in BG. But where else in a game is it possible to have an ancient witch (who made you immortal and ate you btw) fumble around in your guts to find a small item - just because you asked her to do it :) And the sophistication of the plot and the dialogues...
If anyone should make a new Planescape game, then with a totally new hero/cast/plot/etc. Or simply make a remake with new graphics, but with everything unchanged.
They should make another Planescape game... I know about the legal troubles for PS but it would be sad if they never make it... This game changed the way I think and had me occupied for months(little bit playing it+much thinking about it) the way this game makes you feel is unique and no other game gets close to it... What can change the nature of PST developers to make another game? ;)
@00RiderOfTheStorm00 Black Isle exists in the form of Obsidian now, and making an updated Planescape game would be.... a difficult feat to perform, especially without Tony Jay as the voice of the bad guy.
@00RiderOfTheStorm00 Unofortunately, not today. Today it would have been made as a primitive action RPG for the masses, in order to earn as much $ as possible. That's the trend in modern RPGs...
@xqtr74 That's what makes Planescape: Torment so wonderful. It's a very unique game with every character being interesting. Not just main characters, but even NPCs who you may only speak to one time in the entire game, voiced dialogue or not. The music is perfect, the combat isn't exactly ideal but that's because the game is designed with Charisma, Intelligence and the god-stat Wisdom in mind to tell the story through wonderfully-written dialogue. Good choices are good and evil is genuinely evil
This game was fantastic. I still wonder to this day what the ritual was that enabled the FO to retain his memories... or if it was just a sort of wear and tear, his condition finally unraveling itself. I do not think that the type of game or the engine mattered that much in this game, just the music and the story did it for me.
the whole planescape setting, the whole cosmology, all of it, incl the unlimited high spire, the unending abyss, the infernal pits of the nine hells, the torment tattoo, and especially this song... all of that makes me feeling so small... makes life so senseless... it makes me want to be not here... i want be there...
@Mathrigo666 So you would prefer to live in a place where you felt small, weak, useless and senseless? D= To each his own, but I kind of like this world, where life can still hold some meaning that isn't "Evil Gods' playthings."
Not that I'm not saying this was a GREAT game and that Planescape isn't my *favorite* D&D setting, because it is. I'm just saying that... I dunno... it's fun to imagine that I'm small and insignificant. I'd also like to remember that it's not reality, too.
@CharlettMoon I don't know about you, but I *am* living in a world where everyone is small and insignificant. Then again, reality does differ depending on ones point of view.
Used this as background music in my table-top Planescape game to describe the opening of a part of Sigil that held the results of a killing spree by a still unknown murderer. Had them believing that the Lady of Pain did the deed. I never did tell them who really did it.
I just started playing this game, haven't done much but it's amazing so far. I especially loved this track when I was talking to Deionarra. Goosebumps.
I'm actually hesitant to say. I would like this song played on my funeral, but remembering Deionarra brings chills down my spine. I was seriously spooked the first time I met her.
You know that most of us are polish? Just look at the statistics. Same goes with K-Pax soundtrack. Those facts make me feel that we are kind of an interesting nation
@MrBluray23 yes the slavs have something deep inside them somekind of sadness you dont see it with other European people i think it has to do with probably the most bloody history in Europe and people especially the old ones only talk about horrors of war and how hard it was to survive
Anyone else ever wished to be born in the fantastic world of forgotten realms and live the magic instead of waking up at 6:00 in the fucking morning every day and go to school and work your whole life?
i had dream of assembling an adventure party of my own and go for a quest , it is not only that we dream of the fantasy life...we should also dream that we have faithful companions that stay true to us, i dream of having Fall-From-Grace, Annah, Dakkon, Mortar and of course Deionarra by my side, friends that i can trust upon:)
@Foxovsky Forgotten realms yes.. Planescape, as amazing and creative as it may be, would not be a pleasant universe to live in. Unless, maybe, you were on Mount Celestia.
Bioware had some of Planescape's writers to work on Dragon age origin and DA II, but it seem all these writers' effort is just put as background history or explanation without much purpose, their efforts are not intergrade into the storyline of the game or the personality of the main character. The well written dialouge even made the character look like a Hypocrite, who can promise loads of sweet lies to his companion but perform betrayal behind his lover's back
You know, this is one of those games that, when you have a look at it after a couple of years, don't seem to have aged a bit. I believe its due to the graphics to a degree (apart from a soundtrack and story that are just pure awesomeness), because unlike 3d graphics who've undergone a major evolution process over the last decade, here you have wonderful, handmodeled 2d graphics as good as they get. It just all... fits together perfectly. I don't know if I get my point across^^
@BloodDemon293846 yeah thats true, this and Baldurs Gate 2 still look great to this day and still will in 10 years times when the likes of oblivion and mass effect will look like doom does today. the hand drawn artwork in these two Infinity engine games in particular is fantastic.
@joshpcolts18 It is basically the same as all the other IE games in several respects : graphics engine (Infinity), D&D rules-based, six party members. But it's based in a different universe (BG = Forgotten Realms, P:T = Planescape) and the gameplay is markedly different in that it involves a lot more reading. You get XP (experience points) for LEARNING in this game - and what a story it is ! It's a weird (in the original sense of the word) and wonderful experience. You must play this game !
They should do Planescape Torment 2 i guess they will someday , i hae played it 4 times and i though i know the story very well , i though i know that game like my own hand i was wrong. I have read in "wikipedia" things i didnt know, that is fantastic first game wchich made me cry for ending and first game wchich have so fantastic word wtih great plot, not another hero who is saving a world but a main character who is searching the "truth", that what made this game better than others.
The only game I replay once every couple of years since it was released. And this music gives me goosebumps. This one and Hannah's theme. definitely the BEST game I've ever played. Sometimes I'd like to have my memory erased so I can re-discover it from the start. AWESOME.
'Philosophy' is not a single unified category. Some philosophy, particularly in the Anglo-American tradition, is intensively scientific (language, mind, logic). With that said, Aristotle & the early moderns' were also intensely scientific (that is to say observational-emperical). The Continental tradition is a little different, by no means to its detriment. To divorce science from philosophy is to over-simplify, both now and historically. But I agree...science makes many assumptions philo can't
Everytime I tell a fellow gamer about this game and just how amazing it is, they always ask me what the storyline is and for the life of me I can never put it into words. I tell them you just have to experience it for yourself.
@zarakhast Science think by itself? Philosophy(wisdom's love) is built by logical thoughts, same way as science. That's why philosophy is also a science. Philosophy is not built by feelings. This is just a way to search wisdom, "the right reason", "the science". That's why philosophy is also a science.(the way to "the science") Beyond all lies, religion, feelings and apparence...
No. One may loosely say that both are trying to establish truth, but philosophy lies deeper than science. Science is a branch expanding from philosophy, based on the erroneous (but useful) assumption that certain philosophical questions have convenient answers. It is a mistake, I think, to consider a branch equal to the roots and body of a tree. Due to this leap of faith, scientists have not taken even a single step towards certain truth since the birth of the scientific method.
It seems to me, this game mainly attracted the most intelligent group of gamers. I don't mean to compliment myself, you know, just an observation. Quite a lot of quality comments here, unlike the usual "HALO RULEZ" or "BEST GAME EVA!" I find in modern games sections. And yes, this game is awesome. I have yet to find another game like it. It's in its own league. No second place.
@chambillgame Yes games that require deep thought and insight will attract inquisitive minds. Just like how simple minded people are drawn to simple minded activity.
@chambillgame Well RPGs are usually quite far from FPS shooters. And besides, planescape torment is so old that those who have heard about it is almost pensionaires by now ;-)
@AxiomaticInfinity I'm a fan of GOOD scientists who appreciate (and acknowledge) the true nature of science, which you described pretty nicely there imo. Science works on the assumption that there are objects and that the world itself is an object to be studied and worked upon. Philosophy assumes no such thing and remains rooted in the metaphysical world. Science forgets thoughts and feelings, thoughtlessly objectifying them. These (the IE) games move in the metaphysical realm, especially P:T.
Wow that game is so old but i see there are still may fans, i really wish to play Planescape Torment 2.....i guess there will never be such game like that one, i have that music on my mp3,.
@Cascco Pray that we never see Planescape Torment 2, my friend. With the state the gaming industry is today, all flashy graphics and no appreciation of true story, it would be a shame if the game was degraded to an action-fps-rpg for 10 year olds.
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What can change the nature of a man?
"Belief"
YOU LEARNED A FALSE LESSON, BROKEN ONE.
“Have I? I've seen belief move cities, make men stave off death, and turn an evil’s hag heart half-circle. This entire Fortress has been constructed from belief. Belief damned a woman, whose heart clung to the hope that another loved her when he did not. Once, it made a man seek immortality and achieve it. And it has made a posturing spirit think it is something more than a part of me.”
SjefenD90 1 week ago
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SjefenD90 1 week ago
What can change the nature of a man?
Beholding the entire universe at once...seeing and feeling everything,being dead,being alive...being everything and none,looking from every eye and hearing from every ear.Accept all has both true and false...And understanding the concepts.
Your nature is changing,for your own body is no longer a factor..whatever will or knowledge that was inserted becomes futile.
All that remains-is a pure opinion of everything-Your Inner self reveals-And your nature awaken!
Wharwulif 1 week ago
@Wharwulif Yet what can change your own True nature?
Torment beyond imagination,or the sight of Pure Nothing.
Wharwulif 1 week ago
at the end it looked like he was okay with it and had finally accepted his fate
1337Tazer 1 week ago
(SPOILERS)
I found the end to be depressing but sort of happy and fulfilling (don't people call that 'bittersweet' or something?) in the end The Nameless One went through all this suffering and torment and so much death happened as a result of The Nameless One's actions and yet he still didn't atone for his crimes and he ended up having to go to the Blood War anyway.
But at the same time at least he regained his mortality and put an end to the horrible cycle, and from the look of his face
1337Tazer 1 week ago
Deionarra, one of the many crimes of the Nameless One. Regret guide his path towards atonement. "What can change the nature of a man...". And at the end of days, Deionarra awaits at deaths halls for her love to return. But first, there are some demons to slay.
DrMadolite 2 weeks ago
FUCK!
I miss black isle...
Trancecend 3 weeks ago
This is still by far the best storyline of any game i've ever played. The nostalgia i get listening to this. The first time when you wake up and talk to Deionarra, and not knowing what is going on. Then coming back when you know whats going on and seeing her. You feel sorry for her, and the nameless one, even though they are just a piece of code :( . Best story ever written imo <3
HDRUSKYBOOM 3 weeks ago 4
I miss my life ...
Utheree 3 weeks ago
Dammit, everything about this game gives me goosebumps.
LowenStrosst 1 month ago
This breaks me down and builds me up again. A song of this emotional magnitude coupled with an overwhelming amount of nostalgia... it gets to me every single time.
rachskald 1 month ago
If something is better than reading a greatest book, it must be living with the main character like this game.
38procentkrytyk 1 month ago
LOL, I always thought Deionarra's voice sounded so much like Jennifer Hale and recently I found out because she voiced her.
The things Internet can search up for you:D
Tatatesz 2 months ago
I feel like listening to this song rises my wisdom +1
GriffithBotH 3 months ago 2
Planescape torment >life.
Bethesda will buy the licence, like fallout, hope.
ninjaFAMAS 4 months ago
@ninjaFAMAS looking at fallout 3, I would rather not :( not that it was bad, but it wasnt fallout
Alenthas 3 months ago 4
@Alenthas Word up
CrashGotALeppard 3 months ago
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@ninjaFAMAS >Bethesda will buy the licence, like fallout, hope.
Honestly, I hope you're trolling.
KeluMocy 3 months ago
I have no shame in admitting I cheated and gave myself max stats at the start of the game. But that's because I played purely for the story, and I never re-tried a conversation... except that one time when I accidentally pissed off Annah in a casual conversation and she quit. That made my jaw drop.
THKSkywalker 4 months ago
Listening to this song +50 exp
Level up
"I feel stronger"
DeviousBetrayer 5 months ago 51
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ScaniaChan 2 months ago
@DeviousBetrayer You now *Know* this music.
Wharwulif 1 week ago
I put this tattoo on my back. Ever since I have been bestowed with INT-2, STR +1, WIS +3, thac0 -2 and a special skill "Godliness" :P
MegaKurono 6 months ago
@MegaKurono I always thought this would make such an awesome badass tattoo. I probably wouldn't tell anyone it came from a PC game though lol
dageezerboi 5 months ago
@dageezerboi Ha, ha, ha, you should've seen my dad's face when I told him exactly that!!! Ha, ha, I'm not a kid anymore but I still got scolded.
At least you and I know the real meaning about such an awesome game.
MegaKurono 5 months ago
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first time I've heard this theme I felt sad and almost cried....after playing a game I knew why....
ivanktr 6 months ago
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ivanktr 6 months ago
Playing this game. Although it looks like being made with papercut figures nowadays, it still has cartloads of atmosphere (and unlike many other cherished oldies it is not cheesy and actually makes sense (I think old games get a bonus there far too easy)). If you can ignore the fighting system, this is the perfect, transcendent RPG.
scavengedfantasyname 6 months ago
Regret... Regret can change the nature of man as it did change the nature of the first incarnation!
What an amazing story Planescape was. Truly a masterpiece. It could have been easily a movie or a book. The game felt literally like reading a book (till the fights in Baator of course).
HerrProfM 6 months ago
So, guys, what can change the nature of man?
SadakoSenpai 6 months ago
@SadakoSenpai many things can change the nature of a man. The love for someone, the feeling of vengence, even something small like feeling like something in life is missing. I believe the nature of man changes all the time. The big question is whether or not you have the fortitude to accept that change.
Novalok18 6 months ago
@Novalok18 No, I don't think anything can truely change man's nature. We have a huge system of laws whether written or moral, but when man's nature comes out, neither threat of death or loss of freedom can change man's innate animalistic state. Placing the group before the individual is transcendent, but our nature does not allow it. Just my thoughts, though, Planescape really makes you think critically about the world we live in.
METALGEARSOL1D 6 months ago
@SadakoSenpai One word. Women.
nazaxprime 6 months ago
@SadakoSenpai Torment. All characters in the game have changed/changing because of a torment caused by The Nameless One.
TNO: Immortality (self-induced).
Morte: Death/pillar (TNO killed him, he went to the pillar).
Dak'kon: Sworn slavery to TNO.
Annah: Loves TNO, doesn't want him to die.
Grace: Blood War (hinted to have been caused by TNO and Morte in the first place) made her change .
Ignus: Raised by an evil TNO.
Nordom: Given a name/separated from Mechanus by TNO.
Vhailor: Killed by TNO.
Owneador1337 2 months ago
can someone please remake the game using witcher 2 graphics ?
matmanxify 7 months ago
@matmanxify dude you made me laugh, thanks :D
sloume 7 months ago
@matmanxify I would not mind the graphics, but they would need to retain the talent of storytelling, the characters, and the atmosphere or else it will be completely alien to the original
CorRomeister 7 months ago
Ive never played a game with as much depth as this. There are awesome games in our days, like Mass Effect, which I only played years after it was out because I thought it was just another generic crap. The deal is that the technology has changed, and nowadays people dont want to read about something, they want to see it with the best CG avaiable. That is why another Planescape wouldnt work. The game was so good because you were willing to image all its greatness, and read all the stories.
Forfeitdemeanor 7 months ago
You shall meet enemies three, but none more dangerous than yourself in your full glory. They are shades of good, of evil and of neutrality given life and twisted by the laws of the planes.
ShiningNow 7 months ago
@ShiningNow Ha-haaa! It's funny because it's true!
- Ravel was evil but has done good actions, saving people's life due to the regret she felt for causing so much pain.
- Trias was good but he ultimately thought that he had to do anything in his power for good to triumph, even using the worst and most low methods available.
- The Trascendent One is neutral, but his cowardly nature makes him act strangely, performing good deeds or evil deeds "for the lulz" instead of being consistently neutral.
Owneador1337 2 months ago
@Owneador1337 3rd should be Fhjull, not Trancendent One. Trias is good, but twisted, he is a liar and traitor. Ravel is axis of neutrality, but emotions take over her soul. And Fhjull is evil, but forced to do good deeds.
maeliev 2 months ago
@maeliev I can't see the neutrality in Ravel. I think she's just evil and chaotic. Her "spawns" (Marta, Ei'Vene, and Mebbeth) are good, but that's because she spawn them after being stuck in the maze for a long time.
Owneador1337 2 months ago
@Owneador1337 Grey Waste, which Ravel comes from is plain of Neutral Evil. But if you are still in doubt, maybe Chris Avellone will convince you better than me: planescapeDOToutshineDOTcom/crapDOTplanescape-tormentDOTorg/threads/chris_prophecy2DOThtml
Howgh!
maeliev 2 months ago
@maeliev I'm afraid you've violated that link so hard that it's impossible to transform back into something that makes sense.
DOT? crapDOT? Nigga, please.
Owneador1337 2 months ago
@Owneador1337 in place of every 'DOT' put '.' -unfortunately YT wont display normal web address. So, its normal . like at the rear end of written sentence. I know my english is not perfect, but i would bet my balls this symbol is called dot, hehehe. I hope I make it a bit clearer:)
maeliev 2 months ago
@maeliev Yes but I doubt your address has "crap" somewhere in it, and I changed the "DOT" for "." and it didn't work :P
Owneador1337 2 months ago
What can change the nature of a man?
Once everything he found to be his faith suddenly die...once all turned to be one massive lie,once all hope is gone...
Since the soul of the suffering one can no longer live in the world,a world of lies,a world with no hope...the nature changes,since the old Tormented soul can no longer remain...so the body replaces it in order to survive.
Or...instead of the body,the mind is replaced by massive rage,and a nightmare is formed.
Wharwulif 7 months ago
Hey guys, i made a steam group dedicated for Planescape PC gamers. We have a weekly Planescape chat. Just search "PLPCG"in steam, and join :).
Omegawolfstudios 7 months ago
nameless ones' a cool guy... eh, dies a thousand deaths and doesn't afraid of anything.
CorRomeister 7 months ago
4 Transcendent Ones need to merge :/
Alexkool96 8 months ago 4
Masterpiece !
GTipt0n 8 months ago
I feel special for playing and loving Planescape: Torment. Its not nerdy its just... they dont make games like these anymore. I enjoy modern games but they are like holywood action movies. You enjoy them and thats all. Can any of "modern gamers" say that soundtrack of their favourite game can make them cry? i dont believe so. I believe i belong to a generation of luckiest gamers. I love ps:torment. I love black isle.
babal1ty 8 months ago
@babal1ty That's quite unjust to say that. True, modern games are more flashy and less profound, but you can't blame the soundtracks. Soundtracks are just as great (if not better) that they were.
ZeFourmis 8 months ago
@ZeFourmis you got me wrong. its the memories what make you cry. not music itself. music lets you to remember those good old days. in my humble opinion of course.
babal1ty 8 months ago
@babal1ty True. Deionarra's theme makes us remember the words "I'll wait for you in death's halls, my love...", remember the visions from the sensory stones and the ultimate betrayal on Deionarra. The soundtrack from, say, Morrowind makes us remember.... Running around the countryside hacking and slashing while searching for some silly dwarves you couldn't care less about.
mattdk88 7 months ago
@mattdk88 yes for example i ve played morrowind and oblivion and enjoyed much. but thats all. i ve forgotten them all and i have no will to play them again. i will play skyrim when its out but i m not even a little excited about it. i get excited more while installing fallout 2 for 10th time on my pc.
babal1ty 7 months ago
@babal1ty I know what you mean. I haven't played the game in years, but there are specific characters, minor ones that have left an imprint in my memory. Like Jumble Murdersense, the headless noble, the Lady of Pain, and the man who was the very manifestation of the letter O.
CorRomeister 6 months ago
@babal1ty erm, planscape is what I'm talking about ofc.
CorRomeister 6 months ago
This is one game that no one should remake. That includes Obsidian, and they're the best writers (and some of the worst bug-fixers) in the gaming industry.
giantrobots1122 8 months ago
WHAT CAN CHANGE THE NATURE OF A MAN!
Beastphantomz 9 months ago
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XeroKeeper 9 months ago
@XeroKeeper No.
Lastfaul 9 months ago
I didn't liked BG since Forgotten Realms are no place for "including the kitchen sink" characters. It was the only game that gave me suicidal thoughts when I finally confronted myself and realized that drifting skulls, virgin succubi and paranoic, practical amnesiacs seducing hags for a living and talking his enemies to death are just fruits of imaginagion. What an empty life I have.
kuniqs1 9 months ago
Epic.... speechless....
crostalker 9 months ago
*jumps on stage* Imma let you finish bioware, but black isle studios was the best game producer of all time! Of all time!!
CorRomeister 9 months ago 49
@CorRomeister Well, if you forget Lionheart... ;)
Gothos 2 months ago
no other game has filled me with such emotion, this was a true masterpiece.
plebusmaximus 9 months ago
For any who are wishing to relive classics like Torment, Baldurs gate etc, I'd advise checking gog out... Piracy pisses me off, even for a game as old as this. So if you must download them, at least do it legally.
Give games the respect they deserve and pay for them.
Grigeral 9 months ago
@Grigeral Well, GDP plays a huge factor for some residents in other countries. The average American makes 1,800% more than some people do, and those people aren't poor in their own countries. So when a single game comes out to be roughly 5-10% of their monthly salary because nothing is adjusted, then I can see piracy as justified. I would have passed on Aquaria if instead of $20 it ran upwards of nearly $3,800 purely because of how currency doesn't always translate properly.
Valkod23 9 months ago
@Valkod23 I guess I can understand in those situations. But that said, generally speaking if I can't afford something, I make do without. I understand people do it and I aint that assed. I just think the industry needs support.
If I ever do download something, if I like it, I buy it. If I don't, I delete it.
Grigeral 9 months ago
it's so eerie with the children singing in the background.
CorRomeister 9 months ago
This game is art.
blakicemusic 9 months ago
Such a stupidly good game. Never saw anything like it and the more I see of modern gaming, the less I think I'll see anything like it again.
Luckmann 10 months ago
this song should have been the main theme...it describes the whole feeling of the game, the torment of the planes forever changed by a man who was so afraid of death he managed to cheat it,the regret of his deeds and the pain he brought on others...this piece is a pure art
pigozz 10 months ago
Ah, good old times, when games were made with imagination and not just the budget.
GriffithBotH 10 months ago
BEST GAME EVA!
nguyenproas 10 months ago 2
@nguyenproas
nope BLOPS is teh best game of all time for hardcore gamers such as myself
if you disagree you are Justin Beiber xD lol
But in all seriousness, this game is still to this day one of the few games that did story telling right and managed to create a weird, interesting and yet believable universe.
ScaniaChan 10 months ago
life and death, things that we don't really confront on behalf of the wisdom and fear inside them, yet they all come to my mind when the sound waving in my ear.
xiaoyuebusiness 10 months ago
I just have to finish this game again! :D
bratniak 10 months ago
it is quite a shame this game won't work on my current computer for some reason..
HostileHeretic 10 months ago
@HostileHeretic Toy around with it a bit, do some research, you should be able to get it to work. I've managed to on Win7 64bit ultimate so I don't see why it shouldn't. Don't install it to the default directory. Make another folder outside of program files and install it to that. Change your video card drivers if you have to. Try running it in a window in compatability mode? Among other things.. Depends on what the problem is..
Iconoclast12100 10 months ago
@Iconoclast12100 Thanks. I'll do that.
HostileHeretic 10 months ago
I love Torment, it will always have a special place for me, one of my all time favorites. That being said, I dislike pretentious naysayers who gripe like a bunch of old men reminiscing about the "golden years." Get over yourselves, and get over the fact that this game is one of a kind. I wouldn't mind another game set in Planescape, but the Torment storyline needs to remain forever closed.
xalagarf 11 months ago 56
@xalagarf FU! Being a kid when the game was out and having a kid's IQ took me a whiiiiile to pass it, I'm too lazy to pass it again when I know the story and I did everything there is to do in the game... a sequel would prob ruin the feel of the game but I WANNA KNOW HIS DAMN NAME. And where the fuck he went that Annah couldn't follow him... :( I liked Annah... I agree the story needs to be closed, but it's not cool to leave him nameless just 'cuz you can't think of something epic... :P Sorry :)
SoulerGTD 8 months ago
@SoulerGTD Actually, his name is known in the game...
If you did everything there is to do, as you say, you should know it.
ZeFourmis 8 months ago
@ZeFourmis -.- No it's not known actually. If you think it's Adahn or Yemmeth you're not exactly bright, no offense.
SoulerGTD 8 months ago
@SoulerGTD
Well, where he went was pretty clear. The last movie has the Tower of Khin-Oin in the background, so he's in the Wastes.
apsdil 8 months ago
@apsdil Didn't know it was the Waste but I guessed as much... What I meant was he said she couldn't follow him, and I didn't like that. :)
SoulerGTD 8 months ago
@SoulerGTD If they had left him with a name, people wouldn't still be as interested in the game as they are. I've read articles discussing probabilities for the different names. Leaving him Nameless, they leave you wondering. Perhaps you are right, they couldn't find a name big enough for him. Credits to them, however, for creating a character too big for any name. Perhaps that is what they realized. A name would constrain him, both ingame and offgame. All hail the Nameless One ;)
mattdk88 8 months ago 17
@mattdk88 I'm glad they didn't name him. It puts emphasis on the concept of the name rather than what it is. If they had out and out said that his name was Stanley, I think people would be disappointed.
acidragdoll 7 months ago 4
@mattdk88 Also, because he's supposed to be you.
Ascyltos 4 months ago
@mattdk88 Very true, the nameless one - once despicable and evil - arose beyond the realm of good and became something more.
DrMadolite 2 weeks ago
@mattdk88 I thought about just forgetting my name forever one day...Names are trouble anyway,better off without them.
Wharwulif 1 week ago
@xalagarf you are speaking like some nostalgic doc. i like that.
Arekai1404 8 months ago
@xalagarf the storyline should end - sure. It was a tale that should end and not be serialized and run out like so many franchises today, but old men can still lament the end of development of games with this depth, right? I mean... graphics have made great leaps forward, but gameplay has gone backward as developers cater to the new, and bigger "casual" crowd instead of the hardcore. Fans of 'Torment' were playing games before all the jock losers took up Madden and called themselves l33t
theTerribleFamiliar 7 months ago
@theTerribleFamiliar Gonna go out on a limb here and say that nobody liked Torment for its gameplay - the charm was 100% story and atmosphere.
acidragdoll 7 months ago
@acidragdoll I agree, it was much more balanced and rewarding in BG. But where else in a game is it possible to have an ancient witch (who made you immortal and ate you btw) fumble around in your guts to find a small item - just because you asked her to do it :) And the sophistication of the plot and the dialogues...
mattdk88 7 months ago
@xalagarf Even during the golden years, Torment was one of a kind.
acidragdoll 7 months ago 4
@xalagarf
If anyone should make a new Planescape game, then with a totally new hero/cast/plot/etc. Or simply make a remake with new graphics, but with everything unchanged.
Maciejka0111 7 months ago
@xalagarf they don't complain like they used to back in my day, that's for sure!
r0bz0rly 6 months ago
@xalagarf Old men. Warning Warning.
Muffinfordinner 5 months ago
@Muffinfordinner desperate. your turn.
afaultytoaster 5 months ago
@Muffinfordinner Get the hell out of here, Denton!
malevc 4 months ago
hauting
sebaswildboy 11 months ago
If there was only one game in the world that you were allowed to play this would be my choice. i envy those playing this game for the first time..
dageezerboi 11 months ago 2
They should make another Planescape game... I know about the legal troubles for PS but it would be sad if they never make it... This game changed the way I think and had me occupied for months(little bit playing it+much thinking about it) the way this game makes you feel is unique and no other game gets close to it... What can change the nature of PST developers to make another game? ;)
00RiderOfTheStorm00 11 months ago
@00RiderOfTheStorm00 Black Isle exists in the form of Obsidian now, and making an updated Planescape game would be.... a difficult feat to perform, especially without Tony Jay as the voice of the bad guy.
Valkod23 11 months ago
@Valkod23 Still Planescape 2 would be awsome (but not as a direct story sequel) and a person can dream :)
00RiderOfTheStorm00 11 months ago 2
@00RiderOfTheStorm00 Unofortunately, not today. Today it would have been made as a primitive action RPG for the masses, in order to earn as much $ as possible. That's the trend in modern RPGs...
xqtr74 11 months ago
@xqtr74 That's what makes Planescape: Torment so wonderful. It's a very unique game with every character being interesting. Not just main characters, but even NPCs who you may only speak to one time in the entire game, voiced dialogue or not. The music is perfect, the combat isn't exactly ideal but that's because the game is designed with Charisma, Intelligence and the god-stat Wisdom in mind to tell the story through wonderfully-written dialogue. Good choices are good and evil is genuinely evil
Valkod23 10 months ago
This game was fantastic. I still wonder to this day what the ritual was that enabled the FO to retain his memories... or if it was just a sort of wear and tear, his condition finally unraveling itself. I do not think that the type of game or the engine mattered that much in this game, just the music and the story did it for me.
ghruhhgk 11 months ago
This game is like a book
WawerRewold 11 months ago
@WawerRewold This game is a book, sort of ;) wischik com lu senses pst book html
Nenadior 9 months ago
this is the theme that I wish I have composed
mynameisniu 11 months ago
the whole planescape setting, the whole cosmology, all of it, incl the unlimited high spire, the unending abyss, the infernal pits of the nine hells, the torment tattoo, and especially this song... all of that makes me feeling so small... makes life so senseless... it makes me want to be not here... i want be there...
Mathrigo666 11 months ago
@Mathrigo666 So you would prefer to live in a place where you felt small, weak, useless and senseless? D= To each his own, but I kind of like this world, where life can still hold some meaning that isn't "Evil Gods' playthings."
Not that I'm not saying this was a GREAT game and that Planescape isn't my *favorite* D&D setting, because it is. I'm just saying that... I dunno... it's fun to imagine that I'm small and insignificant. I'd also like to remember that it's not reality, too.
CharlettMoon 11 months ago
@CharlettMoon I'm with him sorta. If I could walk into and out of games, I'd want to live in Fallout or BG2 but I' go to Torment for a holiday!
Ascyltos 11 months ago
@CharlettMoon I don't know about you, but I *am* living in a world where everyone is small and insignificant. Then again, reality does differ depending on ones point of view.
rachskald 1 month ago
Used this as background music in my table-top Planescape game to describe the opening of a part of Sigil that held the results of a killing spree by a still unknown murderer. Had them believing that the Lady of Pain did the deed. I never did tell them who really did it.
juliangrimm 11 months ago
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"I shall wait for you in death's halls... my love..."
How great a movie is usually correlates to the number of great lines you get from it. Planescape is amongst the best.
"Justice is not blind, for I am her eyes!"
Frostiken 11 months ago
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Frostiken 11 months ago
3 people don't know what can change the nature of a man.
TenkaiGothic 1 year ago 84
@TenkaiGothic No, I think 3 people are deaf. Let's be kind to them... :-)))
jakubkrcma 11 months ago
@TenkaiGothic and you do? :)
GriffithBotH 10 months ago
@GriffithBotH
My answer is: love and regret ;)
TenkaiGothic 10 months ago
@TenkaiGothic
Ooooh-ooooh, i know better: 3 ppl's journals are not up-to-date. (Michael T. Weiss's deep voice: UPDATED MY JOURNAL)
elegemvan1 9 months ago
I just started playing this game, haven't done much but it's amazing so far. I especially loved this track when I was talking to Deionarra. Goosebumps.
Banim 1 year ago
I'm actually hesitant to say. I would like this song played on my funeral, but remembering Deionarra brings chills down my spine. I was seriously spooked the first time I met her.
ehuman 1 year ago 2
Beaz7 GaM3 Eva!
adrixshadow 1 year ago
You know that most of us are polish? Just look at the statistics. Same goes with K-Pax soundtrack. Those facts make me feel that we are kind of an interesting nation
MrBluray23 1 year ago 2
@MrBluray23 yes the slavs have something deep inside them somekind of sadness you dont see it with other European people i think it has to do with probably the most bloody history in Europe and people especially the old ones only talk about horrors of war and how hard it was to survive
matmanxify 11 months ago
When I die, bury a copy of this game with me.
Iconoclast12100 1 year ago 6
has anyone seen the movie Speed 1???? that sound remembers me on the final scene jack and annie try to survive the subway accident.
grumblegnome 1 year ago
What a haunting, sad melody.
jatrim1 1 year ago
Since Planescape torment and baldurs gate I am waiting for another game that is nearly as good....
No luck so far...
Derax2 1 year ago 2
I can't express with words how amazing this game was and still is...its that good. One of the only games I can even remotely consider being art.
mrcow94 1 year ago
God this game was good.
Xanaset 1 year ago
the music makes my hair stand on end :p
AndyMcNabStab 1 year ago
Anyone else ever wished to be born in the fantastic world of forgotten realms and live the magic instead of waking up at 6:00 in the fucking morning every day and go to school and work your whole life?
Foxovsky 1 year ago 4
@Foxovsky
Me :D
i had dream of assembling an adventure party of my own and go for a quest , it is not only that we dream of the fantasy life...we should also dream that we have faithful companions that stay true to us, i dream of having Fall-From-Grace, Annah, Dakkon, Mortar and of course Deionarra by my side, friends that i can trust upon:)
SubBlaze1 1 year ago
@Foxovsky Forgotten realms yes.. Planescape, as amazing and creative as it may be, would not be a pleasant universe to live in. Unless, maybe, you were on Mount Celestia.
Iconoclast12100 1 year ago
Bioware had some of Planescape's writers to work on Dragon age origin and DA II, but it seem all these writers' effort is just put as background history or explanation without much purpose, their efforts are not intergrade into the storyline of the game or the personality of the main character. The well written dialouge even made the character look like a Hypocrite, who can promise loads of sweet lies to his companion but perform betrayal behind his lover's back
SubBlaze1 1 year ago
I'm 27 seconds in and almost crying...
I have to play this game!
Xaio30 1 year ago
@Xaio30 Yes, yes you do. Hope you did, it's in a league of its own.
Kiro0 1 year ago
it was on my dads funeral. beautiful song, from the best game on the world!
victiln666 1 year ago
It was such a pleasure to hear this again...one of the best games ever made. thank you so much for this music!
dryadElyme 1 year ago
More like runescape
jaffas11 1 year ago
I miss Black Isle. :(
Cabamacadaf 1 year ago 2
You know, this is one of those games that, when you have a look at it after a couple of years, don't seem to have aged a bit. I believe its due to the graphics to a degree (apart from a soundtrack and story that are just pure awesomeness), because unlike 3d graphics who've undergone a major evolution process over the last decade, here you have wonderful, handmodeled 2d graphics as good as they get. It just all... fits together perfectly. I don't know if I get my point across^^
BloodDemon293846 1 year ago
@BloodDemon293846 yeah thats true, this and Baldurs Gate 2 still look great to this day and still will in 10 years times when the likes of oblivion and mass effect will look like doom does today. the hand drawn artwork in these two Infinity engine games in particular is fantastic.
dageezerboi 1 year ago
is this game anything like the baldurs gate series? im thinking about downloading it
joshpcolts18 1 year ago
@joshpcolts18 It is basically the same as all the other IE games in several respects : graphics engine (Infinity), D&D rules-based, six party members. But it's based in a different universe (BG = Forgotten Realms, P:T = Planescape) and the gameplay is markedly different in that it involves a lot more reading. You get XP (experience points) for LEARNING in this game - and what a story it is ! It's a weird (in the original sense of the word) and wonderful experience. You must play this game !
zarakhast 1 year ago
They should do Planescape Torment 2 i guess they will someday , i hae played it 4 times and i though i know the story very well , i though i know that game like my own hand i was wrong. I have read in "wikipedia" things i didnt know, that is fantastic first game wchich made me cry for ending and first game wchich have so fantastic word wtih great plot, not another hero who is saving a world but a main character who is searching the "truth", that what made this game better than others.
Cascco 1 year ago
A great game, a great story and a legendary character.
axelleag 1 year ago
The only game I replay once every couple of years since it was released. And this music gives me goosebumps. This one and Hannah's theme. definitely the BEST game I've ever played. Sometimes I'd like to have my memory erased so I can re-discover it from the start. AWESOME.
gbxhdz 1 year ago
'Philosophy' is not a single unified category. Some philosophy, particularly in the Anglo-American tradition, is intensively scientific (language, mind, logic). With that said, Aristotle & the early moderns' were also intensely scientific (that is to say observational-emperical). The Continental tradition is a little different, by no means to its detriment. To divorce science from philosophy is to over-simplify, both now and historically. But I agree...science makes many assumptions philo can't
mit181 1 year ago
This music entwine my soul all the game long. (At least I have my soul! Wink wink wink)
Verimonde 1 year ago
Everytime I tell a fellow gamer about this game and just how amazing it is, they always ask me what the storyline is and for the life of me I can never put it into words. I tell them you just have to experience it for yourself.
Iconoclast12100 1 year ago
First 20 minutes into the game I heard this song and at that exact moment I knew, I am on to an epic experience.
Foxovsky 1 year ago 2
What can change the nature of man? The answer was belief. No matter what your answer was it was belief.
DeviousBetrayer 1 year ago
philosophy is also a science...
loqueteux 1 year ago
@loqueteux Wrong way round. Science is a philosophy. Everything thought is philosophy, even science. This is what science has forgotten.
zarakhast 1 year ago
@zarakhast Science think by itself? Philosophy(wisdom's love) is built by logical thoughts, same way as science. That's why philosophy is also a science. Philosophy is not built by feelings. This is just a way to search wisdom, "the right reason", "the science". That's why philosophy is also a science.(the way to "the science") Beyond all lies, religion, feelings and apparence...
loqueteux 1 year ago
@loqueteux
No. One may loosely say that both are trying to establish truth, but philosophy lies deeper than science. Science is a branch expanding from philosophy, based on the erroneous (but useful) assumption that certain philosophical questions have convenient answers. It is a mistake, I think, to consider a branch equal to the roots and body of a tree. Due to this leap of faith, scientists have not taken even a single step towards certain truth since the birth of the scientific method.
rschanke 1 year ago
@rschanke I guess we're not talking of the same science(not the branch but beyond the tree)...
loqueteux 1 year ago
It seems to me, this game mainly attracted the most intelligent group of gamers. I don't mean to compliment myself, you know, just an observation. Quite a lot of quality comments here, unlike the usual "HALO RULEZ" or "BEST GAME EVA!" I find in modern games sections. And yes, this game is awesome. I have yet to find another game like it. It's in its own league. No second place.
chambillgame 1 year ago 73
@chambillgame Yes games that require deep thought and insight will attract inquisitive minds. Just like how simple minded people are drawn to simple minded activity.
DeviousBetrayer 1 year ago
@chambillgame Well RPGs are usually quite far from FPS shooters. And besides, planescape torment is so old that those who have heard about it is almost pensionaires by now ;-)
Ander01SE 1 year ago
@chambillgame
PLANESCAPE RULEZ LOLOLOL
I just got this game and tried it out for the first time today, and i have to say
Where did masterpeices like this go?
XeroKeeper 9 months ago
@AxiomaticInfinity I'm a fan of GOOD scientists who appreciate (and acknowledge) the true nature of science, which you described pretty nicely there imo. Science works on the assumption that there are objects and that the world itself is an object to be studied and worked upon. Philosophy assumes no such thing and remains rooted in the metaphysical world. Science forgets thoughts and feelings, thoughtlessly objectifying them. These (the IE) games move in the metaphysical realm, especially P:T.
zarakhast 1 year ago
Wow that game is so old but i see there are still may fans, i really wish to play Planescape Torment 2.....i guess there will never be such game like that one, i have that music on my mp3,.
Cascco 1 year ago
@Cascco Pray that we never see Planescape Torment 2, my friend. With the state the gaming industry is today, all flashy graphics and no appreciation of true story, it would be a shame if the game was degraded to an action-fps-rpg for 10 year olds.
darthkynreeve 1 year ago 3
@darthkynreeve agree. lets just hope Bethesda doesnt somehow get hold it..
dageezerboi 1 year ago