From what I've been told, the Catholic Church requires a pall of some sort to cover a casket. White has been the most popular choice, but the flag of the departed's country is acceptable. Catholic soldiers who were killed in combat usually have their caskets covered with a flag.
@proken58 They 'can' have a flag over the casket? My father in law's funeral 2 yrs ago, the funeral director told us because of the separation between church & state, we had to take the flag off for the in the church then we could put it back on once outside regardless if the church used teh 'pall' or not (he was catholic as well as a US Vet/served in Korea) so that's interesting that now they 'can' leave the flag over the casket while inside the church.
@babycakes1402 I would have told the funeral director and the so called church that the flag will be left on. What a load of B.S. If we didn't have men like your father-in-law to fight for us there would be no churches to hold services in.
@armysaber It was very tempting! But not being married into the family yet, I gave the poor guy (funeral director enough grief over how they screwed up the obit after I spent over an hr writting it so it'd make sense & making them fix it for the cards they handed out at the services & for what went in the local paper but yes, it was tempting to say "Ah no, he earned it, it's not up for debate, it's staying on."
@babycakes1402 That's not any Church rule...sounds to me like the funeral director wanted his political viewpoints known....never ends with people does it? Wow..that really does blow me away.
@proken58 Thanks, good to know :) I guess alot of the Lutheran chruches are starting to use the pall too, I was at 2 of'em now that use it. I'm not a fan of'em simply because of how much caskets cost then to cover'em up? While I respect the chruch's reasoning benind it, my thought is be able to view it as long as possible before it's put in the ground forever but that's just me.
@proken58 Thanks, good to know :) I guess alot of the Lutheran chruches are starting to use the pall too, I was at 2 of'em now that use it. I'm not a fan of'em simply because of how much caskets cost then to cover'em up? While I respect the chruch's reasoning benind it, my thought is be able to view it as long as possible before it's put in the ground forever but that's just me. A flag over it is one thing, but the pall... nah, I'm just not a fan of'em.
No. Joseph P. Kennedy suffered a debilitating stroke in December 1961 and couldn't walk or talk. His wife, JFK's mother, stayed with him at their Cape Cod home and watched on television.
@proken58 That is correct concerning President Kennedy's father but his mother, Rose, travelled to Washington DC and was present at the Requiem Mass and Committal. She is standing next to Cardinal Cushing on the steps immediately before the Mass begins: she is wearing quite a tall hat and is heavily veiled.
I wrote the Low Mass, not the High Mass. Part of the problem is Cardinal Cushing (he sounds like he's selling peanuts and popcorn at Fenway) but the Low Mass was a rushed ritual--a "priest Mass."
Re. Catholics returning to Tridentine Mass: the numbers have not been as great as expected since the Pope made it easier to introduce in dioceses.
@Killoranz its not a matter of numbers, it is a matter that is a availible, but at the same token, studies show that more people would attend the Tridentine Mass if they only knew about it.
It is, but there is a beauty to it. I'd like to see the whole thing and compare it with RFK's funeral. Check "latin mass" and there some interesting sites.
@facepuke His Latin pronunciation is appalling and incredibly lazy. I've never heard anything like it. Watch another video if you want to know what recited Latin sounds like.
It is a mass, therefore it is opened to the whole congregation. The Requiem Mass lasted 4-5 hours. Therefore it had to be edited. Some of the parts were excised to speed it along for this.
St. Matthew's Cathedral is a really beautiful church, relatively unchanged since President Kennedy's funeral, except for a marble inlaid in the floor indicating where his casket sat during the funeral and a bust of Pope John Paul II commemorating when he said mass at this church in 1979.
The ultimate irony in this was that on the day of the assasination, the Catholic Church went with doing the mass in the vernacular(local languages) than Latin. It would take a few more months to implement that policy.
Over 20 years ago, another Church policy requires the use of the white pall than a flag over the casket.
Actually, Church policy does not require a white pall, per se. Purple and black are perfectly valid choices, white has simply become the norm (for reasons that are frankly beyond me).
The reason for the white is that when one is baptized in the Catholic faith, the individual is in a white baptismal garment to reflect Christ as the light of the world for the American Church. I actually saw something in Australia when a retired general had his funeral at Sydney's Catholic Cathedral(St. Mary's) The Australian flag was draped over his casket which was surprising. For Senator Kennedy's, they went halfway and changed in the middle of the church.
I know the reason for white, I was just saying that white is not required. One can use purple or black, which in my opinion better reflect the true purpose of Funeral Masses. People tend to forget that we're there to pray for their soul, not canonize them.
At the last funeral I went to the US flag was draped over the casket for the entire Mass. I don't know that there are any official norms for that (couldn't find it in the GIRM at any rate).
:33-:39 President Richard Nixon is seen. He and Kennedy were very close. Both served in the South Pacific and both were elected in 1946. In fact Kennedy contributed to Nixon's campaign. They both shared the same vision of America. In fact, Nixon conceded on the 1960 campaign for two reasons. He did not want to jeapordize that friendship and he realized that his time would come and it did in 1968. Unfortunately, his sense of paranoia overtook him.
blech. cardinal cushing's latin is awful. sounds so heartless. i remember reading an interview later on that he wished the mass was in english.
utopiaparkwayqueens 4 months ago
I've never heard Latin pronounced like this.
alexanderjdurham 5 months ago
For me personally, this is the saddest part- seeing the casket carried into the church, with the solemn music playing.
snoops71 8 months ago
what organ music is being played when the family is coming in?
mctav2010 1 year ago 3
Pres. Kennedy's Mother was present!
kbc177 1 year ago
What is the music the band was playing as the coffin was being brought into the cathedral?
kpyng 1 year ago
Pray for the Dead. my wife grew up on a farm in New Albin, Iowa.
armysaber 1 year ago
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jmulde1046 2 years ago
From what I've been told, the Catholic Church requires a pall of some sort to cover a casket. White has been the most popular choice, but the flag of the departed's country is acceptable. Catholic soldiers who were killed in combat usually have their caskets covered with a flag.
proken58 2 years ago
@proken58 They 'can' have a flag over the casket? My father in law's funeral 2 yrs ago, the funeral director told us because of the separation between church & state, we had to take the flag off for the in the church then we could put it back on once outside regardless if the church used teh 'pall' or not (he was catholic as well as a US Vet/served in Korea) so that's interesting that now they 'can' leave the flag over the casket while inside the church.
babycakes1402 10 months ago
@babycakes1402 I would have told the funeral director and the so called church that the flag will be left on. What a load of B.S. If we didn't have men like your father-in-law to fight for us there would be no churches to hold services in.
armysaber 10 months ago
@armysaber It was very tempting! But not being married into the family yet, I gave the poor guy (funeral director enough grief over how they screwed up the obit after I spent over an hr writting it so it'd make sense & making them fix it for the cards they handed out at the services & for what went in the local paper but yes, it was tempting to say "Ah no, he earned it, it's not up for debate, it's staying on."
babycakes1402 10 months ago
@babycakes1402 That's not any Church rule...sounds to me like the funeral director wanted his political viewpoints known....never ends with people does it? Wow..that really does blow me away.
hamartolos1 10 months ago
@proken58 Thanks, good to know :) I guess alot of the Lutheran chruches are starting to use the pall too, I was at 2 of'em now that use it. I'm not a fan of'em simply because of how much caskets cost then to cover'em up? While I respect the chruch's reasoning benind it, my thought is be able to view it as long as possible before it's put in the ground forever but that's just me.
babycakes1402 10 months ago
@proken58 Thanks, good to know :) I guess alot of the Lutheran chruches are starting to use the pall too, I was at 2 of'em now that use it. I'm not a fan of'em simply because of how much caskets cost then to cover'em up? While I respect the chruch's reasoning benind it, my thought is be able to view it as long as possible before it's put in the ground forever but that's just me. A flag over it is one thing, but the pall... nah, I'm just not a fan of'em.
babycakes1402 10 months ago
This may be a stupid question, but were President Kennedy's parents present? Maybe I overlooked something...
coletamia0126 2 years ago
No. Joseph P. Kennedy suffered a debilitating stroke in December 1961 and couldn't walk or talk. His wife, JFK's mother, stayed with him at their Cape Cod home and watched on television.
proken58 2 years ago
@proken58 That is correct concerning President Kennedy's father but his mother, Rose, travelled to Washington DC and was present at the Requiem Mass and Committal. She is standing next to Cardinal Cushing on the steps immediately before the Mass begins: she is wearing quite a tall hat and is heavily veiled.
pimperneldog 1 year ago
I wrote the Low Mass, not the High Mass. Part of the problem is Cardinal Cushing (he sounds like he's selling peanuts and popcorn at Fenway) but the Low Mass was a rushed ritual--a "priest Mass."
Re. Catholics returning to Tridentine Mass: the numbers have not been as great as expected since the Pope made it easier to introduce in dioceses.
Killoranz 2 years ago
@Killoranz its not a matter of numbers, it is a matter that is a availible, but at the same token, studies show that more people would attend the Tridentine Mass if they only knew about it.
dacatholicbandorgan 1 year ago
Let's face it--the pre-Vatican II "Low Mass" was a pretty dismal thing.
Killoranz 2 years ago
The Tridentine Latin Mass is awesome! Many Catholics are returning to it and it's gaining popularity again. Not dismal at all!
rmcatholic 2 years ago
I'd take it over the uninspiring bongos and kitchen-drape vestments any day of the week.
dearnleyfan 2 years ago
@Killoranz Hardly
dearnleyfan 1 year ago
The Mass (In this case) it was closer to one hour. I sourced "Death of a President" by William Manchester.
tomterrific41 2 years ago
This is only a small segment how the Catholic Church and the Tridentine Latin Mass has made history in the world.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
The Cardinal's latin is extremely funny!
organist12345 2 years ago
Cardinal Cushing's Latin is priceless.
huhkain 2 years ago 13
Wow. So this is what a pre-Vatican II mass looked like. Latin seems so foreign in comparison to the vernacular.
facepuke 2 years ago
It is, but there is a beauty to it. I'd like to see the whole thing and compare it with RFK's funeral. Check "latin mass" and there some interesting sites.
roberthickerson 2 years ago
@facepuke His Latin pronunciation is appalling and incredibly lazy. I've never heard anything like it. Watch another video if you want to know what recited Latin sounds like.
Dauphin35 5 months ago
Was communion offered to catholics in the whole congregation or just the first family? Does anyone know?
4sm2use 2 years ago
It is a mass, therefore it is opened to the whole congregation. The Requiem Mass lasted 4-5 hours. Therefore it had to be edited. Some of the parts were excised to speed it along for this.
roberthickerson 2 years ago
St. Matthew's Cathedral is a really beautiful church, relatively unchanged since President Kennedy's funeral, except for a marble inlaid in the floor indicating where his casket sat during the funeral and a bust of Pope John Paul II commemorating when he said mass at this church in 1979.
JMMoosey 2 years ago
The ultimate irony in this was that on the day of the assasination, the Catholic Church went with doing the mass in the vernacular(local languages) than Latin. It would take a few more months to implement that policy.
Over 20 years ago, another Church policy requires the use of the white pall than a flag over the casket.
roberthickerson 3 years ago
Actually, Church policy does not require a white pall, per se. Purple and black are perfectly valid choices, white has simply become the norm (for reasons that are frankly beyond me).
madamtorsion 2 years ago
The reason for the white is that when one is baptized in the Catholic faith, the individual is in a white baptismal garment to reflect Christ as the light of the world for the American Church. I actually saw something in Australia when a retired general had his funeral at Sydney's Catholic Cathedral(St. Mary's) The Australian flag was draped over his casket which was surprising. For Senator Kennedy's, they went halfway and changed in the middle of the church.
roberthickerson 2 years ago
I know the reason for white, I was just saying that white is not required. One can use purple or black, which in my opinion better reflect the true purpose of Funeral Masses. People tend to forget that we're there to pray for their soul, not canonize them.
At the last funeral I went to the US flag was draped over the casket for the entire Mass. I don't know that there are any official norms for that (couldn't find it in the GIRM at any rate).
madamtorsion 2 years ago
Reply to roberthickerson: Wow, I didn't know they were that close.
firmingitup 3 years ago
:33-:39 President Richard Nixon is seen. He and Kennedy were very close. Both served in the South Pacific and both were elected in 1946. In fact Kennedy contributed to Nixon's campaign. They both shared the same vision of America. In fact, Nixon conceded on the 1960 campaign for two reasons. He did not want to jeapordize that friendship and he realized that his time would come and it did in 1968. Unfortunately, his sense of paranoia overtook him.
roberthickerson 3 years ago
I knew I recogonized the tune! It is O Esca Viatorum.
mctav2010 3 years ago
What is the song the choir is singing when Cardinal Cushing is in procession in front of the casket before the altar?
mctav2010 3 years ago