I saw that wife mentioned in his Wiki biography, which also says that she was 16 when they married, while her own Wiki bio states she was born in 1916, married him in 1929. So just do the math. Also interesting, the French version of Wiki gives 1913 as her birth year. A few sites list 1915, but most say 1916, married at 12 or 13. It looks like AHA was off by 3 years. I think her point would have been just about as persuasive if she'd said "a 13 year old girl" --tho 13 is less creepy than 9.
In this interview though she stated that Khomeini himself married a 9 year old. That's the pnly part I was wondering about. There are plenty of mentions of Khomeini doing this or that nasty thing according to some source or another, but these are all on (what look to me like) very partisan websites, nothing about it in mainstream media. I'd b surprised if she were relying on sources like those, but who knows. If it's dubious, Zakaria needed to follow up on it. With his background he should know.
@saigonbill "Khadijeh Saqafi (a. k. a. Ghods Iran Saqafi) (1916 – March 21, 2009) was the Iranian wife of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the 1979 Iran Revolution.... Saqafi married Ruhollah Khomeini in 1929" - which would have made Khadijeh Saqafi 12/13 years old and Khomeini would have been 27/28 years old.
If you see some of the other videos of her, it seems, she has a prepared script... Islam this and that. An economic refugee who lied to get asylum. later her lie was exposed...it was amazing how she lied again and again during this interview to cover her lies. Ayaan Hirsi Ali/Magaan - the true story
She was ambitious and 9/11 provided her the required tool to make it to the top. Spreading and cashing Islamphobia is her Business and she seems very good at it.
This is a question coming from someone who admires Hirsi Ali and supports and agrees with most of what she says. She seems to state at one point in this interview that Ayatollah Khomeini (or was it Khamenei) changing the law in Iran to allow men to marry 9 year old girls and even took a 9 year old wife himself. (at about 06:25 here). The Wikipedia entries on both these guys do not mention something like that, are there any respected sources out there that verify this? Sincerely curious.
@saigonbill Ruhollah Khomeini was “an Iranian religious leader and politician, and leader of the 1979 Iranian Revolution... Following the revolution, Khomeini became the country's Supreme Leader".
@saigonbill “The Family Protection Act was abrogated right after the 1979 revolution. The new regime reinstated the primacy of men within the institution of the family, reinforcing patriarchal norms and notions such as, “man is the head of the family”, “woman is the second sex”, and “women and children are the property of the men in the family".
@saigonbill “Marriage age reverted to 9 for girls. Restrictions on polygamy and temporary marriages were repealed. Women lost the right to divorce and to child custody. The mehrieh (marriage portion payable to the wife) was taxed above the level considered customary by the government. Male judges only were appointed to all courts”.
@saigonbill I'm not sure that Wikipedia is considered to be a 'respected source' though... and looking elsewhere, one would need to keep in mind that the majority of information out there, regarding this topic, is extremely biased.
I know so very few Muslims armies that do this today, but it was protocol back then?
Salah Houdin, the caliphs. All across the Quran you can see example of sophisticated technique which were used to prevent lives of innocents being taken. At the time no Army especially in the old testament used mercy in war. looking back on the crusades western attitudes on war changed, thanks to the example set by Salah houdin! so is Islam really that bad or just mislead propaganda!
And if Islam was a violent worrier culture i'll be afraid of about 1.5b people by now. Yes Mohamed had fought in battle not the first of Gods prophets! but he did what was most unorthodox at the time which is he set out guidelines. Mohammed set the example that if your enemies threaten you with genocide its okay to defend yourself. Back to the guidelines Mohammed said it is not permissible to kill innocents and loot them, rather to escort them from the battle field, and provide shelter.
After Muhammad, Aisha was readily involved in continuing his messages. She was present through the reigns of at least the first four caliphs, and had helped expand the message well beyond Arabia! which makes her the most important Muslims besides Mohamed? so you ask why Aisha? a nine yr old? Is Mohammed (PBUH) a pedo?Allah knows what you do not know! that's why! it was Allah that ordered his as he set events to happen, without her Islam would remain stationary for hundreds of years to come?
Another is that marrying a nine year old was strictly legal in that period but ask your self did Aisha have children? No rather she became a like a daughter. we can see they're relationship in the Hadith, as being caring and playful to the Young Aisha racing and tag etc.
people say why marry in the first place? well we know that she was an active figure, seen by god as the best of women at the time "Mother of the Believers"contributed to the growth, development, and understanding of Islam.
Ignoring the fact she had a bad childhood, and has had sociological and traumatic experiences! but lets start examining why 1.5b people may disagree with her statements! Female mutilation has more to do with culture than Islam, for it is alien in that sense that it is an ancient practice used by Africans.
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This woman is the most idiot and ignorance person i ever seen in my life. but for sure she will get back what ever she said. even non Muslims doesn't even insult Islam like the way she does
@masuulka90 Specifically, what is she saying that you consider ignorant or stupid? It seems like she's making factual statements about some of the practices of Islam. For example, it is a fact that a 50 year old man can marry a 9 year old girl in some Islamic countries. And the justification for this is found in the Quran. Would you dispute that? Do you think that defiling a 9 year old is a moral action? If the the answer to both of those questions is no, then there's a conflict in your beliefs.
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this lady is so stupid and ignorant. The niqab / veil is an invention of the Byzantine empire and came before Islam. She has been put on a pedestal because she goes in line with the Zionist propaganda of today. If ou want to learn about Muslim women talk to practicing muslim women. As for violence America has killed scores more innocents than radical Islam ever could.
Did you see her getting thrown out of Holland for faking all kinds of bullshit she said about forced marriage, raising 3 children, and her being abused??
The only thing she said the truth was her genital cutting which is purely an African practice. It is practices amongst christians africans/ pagan africans etc..
@hajjod This woman speaks the truth. Quran is really the book of the devil. Their prophet is a devil maniac muhammad. a pedophile, a mass murderer, a great liar like his followers. a sex maniac. You name it. its all the works of the devil.
@hajjod way to come with a valid reason, hombre. I think she is one of the brightest and courageous woman of the 21st century, not that she is going to be given a noble peace prize anytime soon. Come to 21st century, dude.
Truth is truth, no matter who says it. Islam is a great religion, with some of the best religious practices. But it's is far from being an intellectual religion. In theological terms, Islam makes huge claims; big as a Mountain. But these claims hang from a thin cord- the veracity of Muhammad's (pbuh) prophetical ministry. This ministry was tested by the simple Jewish woman who poisoned Muhammad's food. But in spite of his big claims, he wasn't Paul (who could withstand a serpent's bite), & died.
I have heard Moh was a guy who wanted to invade other countries, ie a Hitler, so he had the book written to get people to support him in his attacks, ie not a religion at all--they've been had for 1200 years.
@hajjod I lost a lot of respect for Fareed for inviting that opportunist woman. Instead of getting a scholarship an getting student visa like I did to go to the West and make he way, she took short cut to promote herself and it worked for her. Ayaan is not invited by the scholarly organizations.
@citizenOfNowhere777 You said, "Ayaan is not invited by the scholarly organizations." Of course she is. Check out her debates against Tareq Ramadan of Oxford U. She is extremely literate and a pleasure to hear.
@jhall38 She was invited for the debates, not to give speech. Lean to differentiate. She will never be invited by reputable universities where the highest level of scholarly work is conducted.
A hungry women will do anything to get what she wants,and she will accomplish it by lying ,cheating ,We have many black and north africans who looking for papers lying about anything,most of them say they are gay/lesbians or christians or as Ayaan pretend to be victim of genital cutting etc...anything what we the west wants to hear, no wonder the Netherland expelled her. BTW her father was not Muslim
She is the most racist women in the world. she is naive, her goal is to spread hate. she goes on and on about Islam yet says nothing about other far more severe problems the world is facing. Islam is not the problem, she wants to make it a problem.
@gobuddyboy Islam is not a race..smart one. Her goal is to save women and children from shariah law. How is that hate? She goes on about Islam BECAUSE men today are copying what the prophet did back in the day. Genius!
Ayaan is an opportunistic liar.She settled in Kenya & never witnessed war.Went to top school in the country.Her family lived in rich area in a comfortable house.Wasnt forced 2 marry against her will & wasnt in danger of being honor killed; honor killing is not a part of islam anyway.Her husband visited her in the Netherlands & she regularly contacted her father who never wanted to honor kill her.She mixes Islam & Somali cultural practices.Her family wasnt even religious. Shes a exposed fake !!!
Oh GOD, this woman has been through enough. Surely she doesn't have to subject herself to this whiny Anderson Cooper wannabe creep. Hang in there Ayaan, maybe you'll be wrong and when you die you'll certainly deserve 72 (thousand) awesome strong men (who actually know what they're doing), who don't have to treat women like garbage to feel like real men - you know-- non muslims.
People like her initiated enlightenment some 300 years ago allowing Christianity to move on from the dark ages into the light, people like her will eventually bring enlightenment to Islam. People like her ensure the world is not remaining in status quo. People like her make this world a better place. And for that we ought to be grateful, all of us including Muslims.
She is making some good points. I'm saying that despite being Muslim. Many Muslims are adhering to Islam out of seeking for identity rather than faith. This is a big problem.
i was a muslim i am now atheist happy and free ,ATHEISM AKBAR my muslim brthers pls stop eating arab shitt ,islam is a monkey on your back ,peace and now i really men it thanks
,,if she wants to live in an "open society" and fuck every man in the town that's up to here..but she doesn't have the right to make the descent muslim women like her..
And for the lads here, Islam is the fastest growing religion THIS IS A NON-CHANGING FACT ! every day people form all religions and races form all contents form different educational levels covert to islam, die in jealousy assholes.
I agree with you...i'm one of the atheists..formerly a muslim.
Every person with a certain amount of education knows that all the so called religions books are fake and the quran is no exception...When Internet censorship ceases in the middle east, that will be the death of islam..People will be just a click away from views of intellectuals like Ayaan, Dawkins, Hitchens, Sam Harris, etc.
@ashy6793 I think if this happens it will serve the faith. There are many Muslims who seek Islam because they are living in horrible poverty and there is nothing else to busy themselves about. I think religions can be developed and understood from different perspectives. Faith is important in human life but it should never taken for granted and followed blindly. The same thing applies to democracy and liberty.
@ashy6793 Yes, let's hope so. Altho being an atheist does not always equate with being a good person. We need to replace biblical morality with humanist principles, imho.
lol...Being an atheist is simply not believing in the existence of an imaginary god or gods...It does not in anyway equate with being a good or bad person...Simply put, atheists can do good and bad things, but it takes religion to get a good person to do horrible things.
I want to engage Muslims as important allies against radical Islamic terrorism. I do not use the word "Islamic" to offend anyone, I want to help identify the problem that terrorists are using Islam to kill Muslims. Muslims are the biggest victims of radical Islamic terrorism. I need Muslims as allies to destroy this evil in the world.
@Ryanyarb24 There is no Islamic terrorism. The terrorism comes from a political manipulation of people who hold a certain faith; these people are collectively called Islamists.
@DanielBerlinTV I appreciate your clarification, I will reconsider my use of the term radical Islamic terrorism and instead use the term "Islamists". That is something I will contemplate.
@Ryanyarb24 You can also say "Jihadi" or "Jihadist" and also "Wahhabi" for the Saudi roots. But I think overall we're really talking about fundamentalism mixed with fascist politics and terrorism so I sometimes find "fundamentalist extremist" is a catch all. The important thing is never to form the statement "All X are Y" when talking about an entire race, religion, etc.
@DanielBerlinTV Many American Muslims I have discussed the issue of terrorism they specifically point to the "Whabbis" as the violent, deviant sect which is the primer move behind all this violence. But quite honestly, I am not a Muslim nor an Islamic Scholar so I am by no means able to dress the issue presented in this video. Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Fareed Zakaria are far more equipped than I am. I see many Muslims as being very conservative family people who were similar to my Grandparents.
@Ryanyarb24 My Granparents lived in a time where religion was very important, men and women had clearly defined roles and family values were very important. People were so conservative in my grandparents time that men and women were never shown kissing on television and were never even shown sharing a bed, they showed them on TV sleeping in separate beds. Now I am not saying this is equivalent to the issues Zakaria is discussing, but I am just saying Muslims have conservative values.
Dont be so gullible people, Ayaan is nothing more than a paid agent provocateur. Ayaan was re-planted in the US to help the zionists/neocons work public opinion against muslims.
She is claiming to be a Muslim and believing that all problem is being caused by Islam.
Talks about a veil which is enforced in Islam and forget to mention that men are commanded to lower their gaze at sight of women. If she thinks wearing a veil is tough then she should ask whether it is easy for a person to grow beard. Baseless and short sighted arguments from the lady.
Islam allows both male and female to get married at the age of puberty whether it is 9,13 or 18
@KAUzoneify Yes I can see where growing a beard and averting the eyes is as taxing as wearing a veil completely hiding a woman's face. And Mohammed married a girl aged SIX.
@DanielBerlinTV See i don't exaggerate neither falsify the facts. It is really good that you study Islam but it will be even better if you study it from all domains. Now from where did you brought up the thing about SIX years. i mentioned clearly that the age is puberty.
Islam, Christianity and Judaism all oppose homosexuality but at the same time a resolution is being passed in UN about gay rights. What next you want to bring forward in the name of liberalism.
@KAUzoneify It is a well established fact Mohammed married the girl when she was six but didn't sleep with her until she was nine. Please don't tell me the child really had any choice in the matter. Please don't tell me you think it's ok and normal for a man old enough to be a child's father to marry a child!
As for the UN under international law anyone under 18 is a child and their rights to choose who they marry and have sex with should be protected throughout all our lives.
@DanielBerlinTV You defend your UN. I will rather have my kids in a society that knows what is humane and what is not. See sodomites have reincarnated in western societies but please don't enforce your values on us. We have a much higher ethical and social system.
enough said about the age; i clearly said puberty is the age for distinction and i stand by this concept. If you visit a high school or college; you would know the sexual activity happening over there.
@KAUzoneify So that justifies someone more than twice the age taking a child as a bride does it? You are the embodiment of the saying that if you want good people to do evil things, give them religion.
@KAUzoneify I'm glad you mentioned logic so you should have no difficulty recognising the logical fallacy you created in your campaign against homosexuality. Yours is called the Sliding Slope fallacy, a part of the Non Causa Pro Causa fallacies.
in Islam there is no marriage without the consent of the bride, like i said, this video is outright fail, she doesn't form a proper argument, you on the other hand have this pre determined biased view molded by some comments you read over youtube so be it, Aisha RA was a child she married Muhammad PBUH but like i said she went on to become a central figure in Islam after Muhammad's death, not crying rape and foul like you say, but an advocate of his example, she was advisor, narrator and leader
@LegendSnake08 And how exactly does a SIX YEAR OLD CHILD consent? How does a NINE YEAR OLD consent to sex with a grown man? You are really making your religion sound far worse than Ayaan does! It is horrendous that you choose to defend the indefensible here. I suppose you call it moral, too, right?
@DanielBerlinTV tell me do you know who this girl was? her life, biography, childhood, her marriage, her father the first khalifah of islam after Muhammad, her role before and after Muhammad's death? her time with the man himself? would it be correct to assume you have no damn idea? or are you just goin to wikipedia her just to respond? i came here to discredit Ayaan, guess i didnt need to, she did so herself by making a ludicrous argument with her ignorance as evidence.
@LegendSnake08 How revolting, how disgusting for you to defend indefensible child rape. So the child grew up and did what she had to to survive, so that makes what a paedophile and rapist did to her all right? Really?
You are the epitome of the saying: if you want good people to do or defend evil, give them religion.
@LegendSnake08 You clearly failed to discredit Ayaan here. All you've done by defending such savage acts is prove her point for her. The only thing you've discredited in defending such heinous crimes is your religion.
@DanielBerlinTV by now its clear you have no idea of the girl you say was raped, guess i dont need to indulge further, you have no idea what your talking about, the context, the history, the people involved yet like a textbook case you are speaking out of context. you will go on thinking, rather dissapointing your lack of knowledge. honestly, i dont understand what you mean by good people give them religion etc. if your dispute is with religion as a whole, your opinion is noted. thnk u
@LegendSnake08 she was NINE YEARS OLD. NINE YEARS OLD. Do you not understand English? A grown man having sex with a NINE YEAR OLD is wrong and is paedophilia not matter what time, culture, or planet!
You daring to use history and culture to defend that wrong is a sickness in your head that has only taken root because you have a religion to defend. That doesn't make it any more right, however.
@DanielBerlinTV The world's youngest Mother is only 4 years old I believe and she is from China. Does that make her husband a pedophile?I dont think so
@DanielBerlinTV as for Ms. Ayaan here, i believe i went beyond discrediting her. her victory is a life seclusion and scared shitless every second of the day that someone might kill her. in fact, the opinion on her with respect to mainstream Islam, is that you cannot kill her, she has spoken her mind, so be it. this issues are much more complicated, they have a backstory that can't be outright given black and white status-to kill her or not-henious crime or marriage, context my friend is pivotal
@LegendSnake08 You did nothing to discredit Ayaan Hirsi Ali. All you've done in comment after comment is prove her point. And you resorted to a very low indefensible tactic to do so, making her point even easier for us to understand. Thank you for that unintentional outcome of yours.
@DanielBerlinTV like i said, come back when you actually know about the people you are talking about? msg me or something. we'll talk. as of rite now, believe what you want, if hirsi ali was even mildly successful in dailogue with muslims.....im sorry i couldnt keep a straight face typing that up, shes fuckin stupid and will be laughed at, seriously laughed at, those who are ignorant and without knowledge find her "easier to understand" ;) good luk bro
@LegendSnake08 You have no moral backbone whatsoever. Your equivocation here shames and dehumanises us all. She was a SIX YEAR OLD child when a grown man decided to take her for himself. She was NINE YEARS OLD when he decided to force himself on her. There is nothing else to know but that is wrong. It was wrong then and it is wrong now.
@DanielBerlinTV Her dad gave consent, not her. Please, if prophet Muhammad (SAW) is that vile, I myself and millions would not follow his religion. His religion would simply cease to exist. So I suggest you do your research properly from a proper source. All the best. :)
@pluz93 Oh good grief. You didn't just post that did you? You just posted a perfect example of the saying "if you want good people to believe or do evil things, give them religion!"
@DanielBerlinTV well from what I know he did not married her for the sex. And besides he was 50+ that time. If he was that sex-hungry, he would marry many women at a young age right? also what does your quote means? I do not get it. Sorry English is not my first language.
@DanielBerlinTV you seem to forget that you are talking about people who lived 1400 years ago, life was different people's biological features were different , girls got married at early ages(not only in Arabia but in the entire world at that time) ..and you've to put in mind that girls in hot areas reach their period much earlier than those in cold areas.
@DanielBerlinTV You have to look at the culture back in 1400 years ago before you attack Prophet Muhammad. You can not compare muslims now to the Prophet. Islam is the truth, but muslims are not all holy.
@erosmangr74 I agree. She's incredible. We can only hope to have the fortitude and courage she's shown throughout her life in the face of all she's experienced.
Hell yes Mohammad can be a moral guide today! He married a six year-old girl and waited three whole years to have sex with her. How moral is That???
He murdered a Jewish woman's husband, father and brother in front of her, and then married her and raped her that very night. But he MARRIED her first! See?
It makes it ok! (I wonder how she felt being raped by the man who murdered her husband and father hours earlier? Ah, who cares, he married her).
@nickso23 the Quran on the otherhand hasnt changed, not one word is out of place. as for the medieval shit holes and sharia. fact of the day, not one country in the world has implemented sharia, just small parts of it, because it cant be established unless a particular system and Leader (khalifah) is in place.
Saudis-also has the lowest crime rate and guess who leads the most inequal distribution of wealth country in the world, you guessed it 1.USA 2.Brazil
@nickso23 Unlike the Bible, which isnt the Bible at all today considering how much over the years it has been reiterated, subtracted from, added to by Popes who were pirates, murderers and had sex with their own daughters or consider the Council of Nicea where gospels that appealed to the NEW concept of trinity were compiled into the modern bible and those that didnt that appeal to the Ariyan view that Jesus was a Prophet (islamic view) were thrown out, several gospels were expelled.
@LegendSnake08 and it's funny how you have no problem with the fact that muhammad the whore copied so much fom the bible. or the fact that he married his son's wife after getting a convenient "revelation." or the fact that he stuck his dick into the vagina of a prepubescent 9 year old girl when he was 54.
crying about the bible doesn't change your whore prophet or chidl rapist religion. and the koran is full of violence, since islam is violent. all of chapter 9, the last revealed, is violent
"muhmmad copied from the bible" note muhammad claims to be in the same line of Prophets as Jesus, Moses, Abraham was, this is the islamic religion, when Jesus came his primary message was monotheism, over the years, as i mentioned considering the corrupted power of the clergy and pope, the bible has severly detracted, nevertheless, alot of the stories are the same in the Quran and Bible, because muslims beleive both are holy books,
@karlsmith00 "son wife" muhammad had two sons, both died in their infant age, consider yourself fucked here also note the 9 year child was past puberty and stood as a leader among giants of men at the time, refer to my comments below and tell me again if Muhammad was a 'child rapist', i do not defame the bible, its a fundamental principle to accept the bible and torah, chapter 9 talks about the spoils of war about the battle badr, it has not a single command, simple rules should there be war
@LegendSnake08 all of chapter 9 is the commandment for war.
i don't care what you say about the bible, i don't belong to any religion. i'm just pointing out you're a lying hypocrite muslim who belongs to a child rapist whore religion started by a man who copied from the bible.
i'm talking about zaynab, the woman muhammad married after she was married to his son. he got a revelation because he was a lying whore. not to mention his total of 11 wives and 2 slaves. RUN ALONG, BITCH.
@nickso23 believe it or not, there is no violent text in the Quran, consider the most quoted 'violent' verse from the Quran "Kill them (non believers) wherever they may be...." context tells us its a reference to a war where muslims were still being persecuted in Makkah, other laws were established around this: don't touch any person who is not armed, dont touch peasants, don't disturb priests and rabbis, don't destory places of worship, only take from the land for subsistence etc.
@karlsmith00 this youtube account is not mine i share it with a friend, i doubt im the dumbest muslim you've seen, im a convert, i was raised as roman catholic and converted to judaism and then to islam at 19, born and raised in toronto, you should calm yourself my friend, harsh words have been exchanged between us, understand your hate is based off post 9/11 bullshit, a few people claiming to be muslims have not only hurt the west but the muslims as well
IF YOU'RE A CONVER, THAT MEANS YOUR EXTRA FUCKING STUPID.
you went out and picked a religion started by a wife-beating child raping whore. congratulations! you're even dumber than i originally thought.
i don't know what kind of fucked up dysfunctional family you come from, but it must have been a doozy. islam is for retards and losers. good thing you'll probably leave, as most converts do.
@LegendSnake08 and i don't care where you were born or where your family comes from.
millions of muslims are born in islamic countries and leave. millions of people throughout history have left where they were born. you can do the same. if you think islam is so wonderful, go live in it. you picked it. there are so many great places to pick from--yemen, somalia, pakistan, bangladesh. you have no place in canada anymore.
bouncing between religions won't fix your childhood. see a shrink
@LegendSnake08 it's called truth. you just aren't used to hearing it, that's why you have no response.
i'm giving you some advice--don't ever try that toothpick tapping bullshit ever again. everyone knows wife-beating is legal under islam, and you sound like a joke.
now go see a psychiatrist. using religion won't fix your daddy issues.
@karlsmith00 You poor hateful man. Still trying to convince Muslims that they are evil? You'll never succeed being rude or insulting others. Then again, you probably don't even care about helping others. You only seek to throw insults. No one takes you seriously.
shes pissed at what happened to her and blames it on islam, not to mention the fact she has no background in islamic knowledge. if im a christian and m y family put me a school, where i get pulled into beleiving the catholic church isnt harsh enough, the KKK beleif is more mainstream christianity and this verse in the bible actually means this instead of that, as a kid, who also gets abused, what am i going to believe and in this case, once free of it, try to expose it from my prespective
@LegendSnake08 The topic is Mohammed & women's rights across many countries and history. The Christian equivalent of Jesus would be one line of him talking of fighting with swords. Hardly a good analogy for your point, is it?
@LegendSnake08 here comes the same stupid bullshit from muslims when they can't respond to her arguments, since they're all true.
does she look pissed? who looks more pissed--her, or the the muslim pigs demonstrating in egypt? typical response to a woman who is arguing correctly that women are treated like garbage under islam--she's just pissed!
she's telling the truth. she lived through islam and was educated in islam. respond with logic, or just shut up. stop thinking like a kid.
@karlsmith00 are you downright stupid or do you suffer from some brain ailment, that you so naively believe "she's telling the truth" .......WHAT THE FUCK do the muslims in egypt have to do with her? and please care to elaborate on the 'typical' response i have given for women in islam. not doubt shes pissed, she has every right to be, but being pissed and ignorant, lacking even the most basic principles of islamic theology and aqeedah when disputing such issues; thats bullshit
@karlsmith00 apologies, i clicked your profile and was greeted with 23 favourites of yours all in some way disputing islam lol i can see where your blind faith in her words comes from now, some sort of islamaphobic ignorance, but honestly speaking, there are alot of misconceptions about islam within your minds and western society in general, ALOT, people take shit out of context, grab a isolated case from some stupid ass muslim who beat his wife and VIOLA we got ourselves the culprit: islam
@karlsmith00 but take heed before you slander something like islam, a religion that has 1.8 billion followers, you must understand context, this is the most stupid mistake that ignorant people commit, Bill Mahr, Hirsi Ali, Pamela something i forgot her name amongst others, if your not ready to delve into understanding the religion, dont get into, because there is no real need for you to insult any religion, there are more important matters at hand
@LegendSnake08 look at this stupid muslim bitch in canada, running his mouth.
let me teach you what slander means, you chid rapist follower. SLANDER MEANS SAYING THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. got that? FACTS CANNOT BE SLANDER.
so dont' try that bullshit. and you can stop with the 1.8 billion threat. there are over 5 BILLION NON-MUSLIMS in the world, and we're getting tired of your bullshit. there is no context that makes child rape okay. your prophet was a child raping whore.
@karlsmith00 THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT! Your stupidity is practically disrupting my computer screens pixels! dammit son, 4:34 i have clearly explained in my comments below, the Quran goes along with the hadith, both must be understand in conjunction, for example the quran says pray but doesnt say how, the hadith explains so, thus, the ayah says "....strike them" and the Prophet's model will tell u with a 'toothbrush', a gentle tap almost a metaphor that they should be made aware
do you think that's the first time i've heard this taqiyya bullshit? do you think i don't know what 4:34 means?
shut the fuck up, you stupid fucking muslim. you're a stupid muslim bitch in canada, lying through your taqiyya teeth. you belong to a backwards religion started by a wife-beating child raping whore named muhammad, who copied his bullshit from the bible.
shut the fuck up. you don't belong in canada. LEAVE.
@LegendSnake08 and yes, there is a need to insult islam. your religion deserves to be insulted, and there is nothing more important than that.
wife-beating is LEGAL in your pedophile religion. go read 4:34 in your shit koran. you're pisssed and ignorant, since you're a stupid muslim hypocrite living in the west, lying through your teeth.
you don't belong here and nobody wants you here. good thing canada shut down sharia courts in 2005. muslims have no place in the west. LEAVE.
@LegendSnake08, uh, you don't have a clue as to her history, or you are lying. She grew up going to Koranic schools in three countries, and even had a private Koranic teacher (who fractured her skull against the wall).
@MaskedMarvyl listen up we aren't here to waste time on stuff you read from a fucked up blog that you perceive as history, you must understand that not even his greatest enemies, men who tried to assassinate him, killed his friends and family, persecuted the muslims, slandered him-made these sorts of allegations what does that tell you? we aren't here to discuss fictional history behind the da vinci code
@MaskedMarvyl moreover, your fucking stupid if you take this woman's life and every muslim SHES met, and everything SHE alone says and make your judgements about, ignorant and dumb is what such a person is. i've in the past 15 comments and replies i've done, tried my best as a first year business student to take apart her credibility when speaking on islamic topics and in my view i've done alright, she has no authority on the topic and can be annihilated by any 3rd class scholar
why would you take an ex muslim and ask whether Muhammad is a moral guide? this is stupid, she has no idea what shes talking about! Praciticing the islamic religon can be summed up by simply believing in all the Prophets and God as One, praying 5 times a day, going to hajj once in your life and giving a particular percentage of your income to the needy, thats it! She takes everything out of context, does not understand any of the political and social backstories to each circumstance
@LegendSnake08 If only that's all there was to religion. If only. Are you saying only those who believe that falsehoods are true can comment on them? Interesting....
@LegendSnake08 only by talking to ex cult members can we get an insight as to whats really going on and not get a front that ppl like you put up for us.
@Moh5Itachi1 you do understand her bias aganist islam? she had a sort of FGM, blamin it on Islam, rather on the ignorant culturual rituals of her society, note the difference between religion and culture. There are chinese, zimbabwen, italian rituals and laws amongst small communities that are barbariac but have no bearing on religion. every interview she speaks ill about islam and muslims, attacks the fundementals but i laugh at how clueless she is about a religion she was never taught
@LegendSnake08 She was raised by a religious familiy and lived in Saudi Arabia and she dosent know what she's talking about. FGM is religously inscribe in the koran if there are other cults such as yours that do it they also must be stopped. Read her book ''Infidel'' if you want to know her experiences instead of speaking from ignorance.
@Moh5Itachi1 no she doesnt know what shes talking about, this clear from her references and how her stupid intreperations, and she has no academic education in islam just like you. FGM inscribed in the Quran? Are you stupid or something?! The Quran is free of any ignorant practices like that. Next time when you hear something, confirm it by going out and reading it yourself. Btw, this cult happens to have 1.6 billion followers and Muhammad being the moral guide is here to stay.
@Moh5Itachi1 you just proved my point lol, lets see the evidence: the guys says here are the rules, you cant bruise her, break her bones, cause blooding, you will be liable on the day of judgement. The comment section narrates the ayah which says "beat them" now if you observe the ayahs before and after, it says men and women are equal point 1....
@Moh5Itachi1 point 2, the Quran says "establish prayer" it does not tell u how to pray or how much so muslims go to the hadith for that where Muhammad shows instructs us, this is how the core principles of islam have been established, the Quran and hadith working together, similarily, this ayah says "beat them" we go to the hadith, Muhammad PBUH says when they get out of line, TAP them with a miswaak which is a short twig used for brushing your teeth-to let them know they are out of line.
@Moh5Itachi1 lastly, you proved my point because just like hiris ali who has no academic knowledge or sense how to approach islam and put it in context which is key here, otherwise lol. The Quran says "Kill the jews and the infidels wherever they maybe, behind trees..." etc, context reveals its a reference to a battle that took place however, this ayah continues to be misquoted and out of context by people like her and others, there are bigger problems in the world then islam my friend
@LegendSnake08 Except this is not what Ayaan says. It is Al-qaeda, Hamas, Hizbullah, the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran & other Islamist cranks who either take the Quran literally or out of context. Ayaan's point is that a bible that can be taken literally or out of context with such devastating hatred and human rights abuses is a belief system that is very dangerous in the wrong hands. It's the Islamists who say your liberal interpretation of the Quran is wrong, not Ayaan.
@DanielBerlinTV These groups you mentioned (although I might disagree with Iran being part of that group), they may take it out of context but they are fully aware of its context as well, it just that they adhere to principles of deviant militant groups that fall outside of islam. There stupidity is rather complex. Nevertheless, my point is Ayaan is not to be taken seriously, she has no credibility, she holds a bias based on her experience which is promoted very publicly.
@LegendSnake08 So instead of challenging the points she actually makes, you wish to keep her in a perpetual victim status and ignore everything she then says. Sounds like you're burying your head in the sand to me. Is she wrong to criticise child-bride takin Mohammed who is used as a moral guide today because she herself was abused as child? I don't see the connection. Could this be a non sequitur of yours?
@LegendSnake08 In fact I find your attempt to have Ayaan ignored disturbing. Are you saying that victims of abuse have no right to speak about abuse? Surely experience is better than theory, right? And more importantly is it Islam that has taught you to silence victims in this way?
@DanielBerlinTV honestly, i didnt go very far in the clip, i don't even recall how i came across this however, im familiar with her arguments. for example, you mentioned Muhammad taking a child bride, well the Quraish who happened to be the greatest enemies of Muhammad and Islam didnt lay this allegation aganist him. why? because it was a common arab custom.
@LegendSnake08 So you admit not even watching the video you're commenting on. Grrreat! And as you say we are aware that child brides (aka rape) is a long Arab custom, it happens in Arab states today. The fact that Mohammed did the same thing adds to its legitimisation - and that's the point Ayaan is arguing against. He cannot be a moral guide today because the Arab customs he represents are morally unacceptable today. So you've trapped yourself by your own point. Well done.
@DanielBerlinTV rape and marriage aren't synonymous, neither is Islam and the laws that Arab states abide by, i have gone through the video since than and she is rather pathetic, almost hysterical. like i said, Muhammad is by far the most followed example in human history, his ideas, his accomplishments, his ideals are considered revolutionary by the academic world-her argument falls apart before it even starts.
@LegendSnake08 it is rape if it is a CHILD, it is rape if the person does NOT consent. Your shameful point is proof that if you want good people to do evil things, give them religion Thanks for having no moral backbone whatsoever. But no thanks.
@DanielBerlinTV he was single till the age of 25, married his ONLY wife till 40 when she died, didnt marry till he was 53, thats when he married several women, closer study tells us all these women had ties to critical tribes and political backgrounds, thus the 9 or 10 marriages. Aisha, the child bride was the daughter of his closest friend Abu Bakr, Muhammad narrates many times how he loved her the most, he died in her arms, she too returned this love and remained a strong after his death
im not stopping her from speaking out, she has every right to do so, but i too have a right to question her credibility, her lack of context, authenticity, her lack of understanding in islamic jurisprudence, fiqh, aqeedah, hadith sciences and the multitudes of subjects she delves into without qualification in any of them. rocket science isnt a subject a business grad (who read a wikipedia page about rocket science when they were 10) should be making claims about, she's a political science grad
@LegendSnake08 You're avoiding the issues. You said we shouldn't listen to her because she was abused in her own society which happens to be an Islamic one. I think the abused have a lot to tell us about abuse. Also, can a political scientist not comment on the moral guide today of a man who took a 6 year old child to be his wife? I think political scientists have a lot to say about such a moral guide in the modern world.
@DanielBerlinTV I just gave you a three comments explanation and im avoiding the issue? And just because she labels her community that abused her as Islamic doesnt mean it is, especially considering the abuse, read my earlier comments on what Islam says about abuse. Moreover, i never said she shouldnt be listened to but bring about a scholar who understands the areas of study outlined who will rip her stupid arguments apart. Shes not about to have any success ever by arguing something like this
@DanielBerlinTV She was also 9 years of age, past puberty. Irrelevant though, cause to understand the context you have the understand the customs, the time, the situation and relationships, the pre islamic age. Its downright ignorance to judge based on the values or beliefs you hold today. Also, Muhammad has narrated that one should marry who shares the same age and social status (among other things). Note all his other wives were above the age of 40, with exception to Aisha RA.
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darklord2314 2 days ago
I saw that wife mentioned in his Wiki biography, which also says that she was 16 when they married, while her own Wiki bio states she was born in 1916, married him in 1929. So just do the math. Also interesting, the French version of Wiki gives 1913 as her birth year. A few sites list 1915, but most say 1916, married at 12 or 13. It looks like AHA was off by 3 years. I think her point would have been just about as persuasive if she'd said "a 13 year old girl" --tho 13 is less creepy than 9.
saigonbill 1 week ago
In this interview though she stated that Khomeini himself married a 9 year old. That's the pnly part I was wondering about. There are plenty of mentions of Khomeini doing this or that nasty thing according to some source or another, but these are all on (what look to me like) very partisan websites, nothing about it in mainstream media. I'd b surprised if she were relying on sources like those, but who knows. If it's dubious, Zakaria needed to follow up on it. With his background he should know.
saigonbill 1 week ago
@saigonbill "Khadijeh Saqafi (a. k. a. Ghods Iran Saqafi) (1916 – March 21, 2009) was the Iranian wife of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the 1979 Iran Revolution.... Saqafi married Ruhollah Khomeini in 1929" - which would have made Khadijeh Saqafi 12/13 years old and Khomeini would have been 27/28 years old.
TheNobleKryptoness 1 week ago
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If you see some of the other videos of her, it seems, she has a prepared script... Islam this and that. An economic refugee who lied to get asylum. later her lie was exposed...it was amazing how she lied again and again during this interview to cover her lies. Ayaan Hirsi Ali/Magaan - the true story
She was ambitious and 9/11 provided her the required tool to make it to the top. Spreading and cashing Islamphobia is her Business and she seems very good at it.
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BlackStroke1001 1 week ago
This is a question coming from someone who admires Hirsi Ali and supports and agrees with most of what she says. She seems to state at one point in this interview that Ayatollah Khomeini (or was it Khamenei) changing the law in Iran to allow men to marry 9 year old girls and even took a 9 year old wife himself. (at about 06:25 here). The Wikipedia entries on both these guys do not mention something like that, are there any respected sources out there that verify this? Sincerely curious.
saigonbill 2 weeks ago
@saigonbill - She lied there as did on asylum application.
BlackStroke1001 1 week ago
@saigonbill Ruhollah Khomeini was “an Iranian religious leader and politician, and leader of the 1979 Iranian Revolution... Following the revolution, Khomeini became the country's Supreme Leader".
TheNobleKryptoness 1 week ago
@saigonbill “The Family Protection Act was abrogated right after the 1979 revolution. The new regime reinstated the primacy of men within the institution of the family, reinforcing patriarchal norms and notions such as, “man is the head of the family”, “woman is the second sex”, and “women and children are the property of the men in the family".
TheNobleKryptoness 1 week ago
@saigonbill “Marriage age reverted to 9 for girls. Restrictions on polygamy and temporary marriages were repealed. Women lost the right to divorce and to child custody. The mehrieh (marriage portion payable to the wife) was taxed above the level considered customary by the government. Male judges only were appointed to all courts”.
TheNobleKryptoness 1 week ago
@saigonbill I'm not sure that Wikipedia is considered to be a 'respected source' though... and looking elsewhere, one would need to keep in mind that the majority of information out there, regarding this topic, is extremely biased.
TheNobleKryptoness 1 week ago
I know so very few Muslims armies that do this today, but it was protocol back then?
Salah Houdin, the caliphs. All across the Quran you can see example of sophisticated technique which were used to prevent lives of innocents being taken. At the time no Army especially in the old testament used mercy in war. looking back on the crusades western attitudes on war changed, thanks to the example set by Salah houdin! so is Islam really that bad or just mislead propaganda!
smokesceen124 1 month ago
And if Islam was a violent worrier culture i'll be afraid of about 1.5b people by now. Yes Mohamed had fought in battle not the first of Gods prophets! but he did what was most unorthodox at the time which is he set out guidelines. Mohammed set the example that if your enemies threaten you with genocide its okay to defend yourself. Back to the guidelines Mohammed said it is not permissible to kill innocents and loot them, rather to escort them from the battle field, and provide shelter.
smokesceen124 1 month ago
After Muhammad, Aisha was readily involved in continuing his messages. She was present through the reigns of at least the first four caliphs, and had helped expand the message well beyond Arabia! which makes her the most important Muslims besides Mohamed? so you ask why Aisha? a nine yr old? Is Mohammed (PBUH) a pedo?Allah knows what you do not know! that's why! it was Allah that ordered his as he set events to happen, without her Islam would remain stationary for hundreds of years to come?
smokesceen124 1 month ago
Another is that marrying a nine year old was strictly legal in that period but ask your self did Aisha have children? No rather she became a like a daughter. we can see they're relationship in the Hadith, as being caring and playful to the Young Aisha racing and tag etc.
people say why marry in the first place? well we know that she was an active figure, seen by god as the best of women at the time "Mother of the Believers"contributed to the growth, development, and understanding of Islam.
smokesceen124 1 month ago
Ignoring the fact she had a bad childhood, and has had sociological and traumatic experiences! but lets start examining why 1.5b people may disagree with her statements! Female mutilation has more to do with culture than Islam, for it is alien in that sense that it is an ancient practice used by Africans.
smokesceen124 1 month ago
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smokesceen124 1 month ago
I love Ayaan. She's so smart and clear thinking. We need more like her.
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masuulka90 1 month ago
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This woman is the most idiot and ignorance person i ever seen in my life. but for sure she will get back what ever she said. even non Muslims doesn't even insult Islam like the way she does
masuulka90 2 months ago
@masuulka90 Oh dear. Please let us know when you have a single thought of your own.
DanielBerlinTV 2 months ago 17
@masuulka90 Specifically, what is she saying that you consider ignorant or stupid? It seems like she's making factual statements about some of the practices of Islam. For example, it is a fact that a 50 year old man can marry a 9 year old girl in some Islamic countries. And the justification for this is found in the Quran. Would you dispute that? Do you think that defiling a 9 year old is a moral action? If the the answer to both of those questions is no, then there's a conflict in your beliefs.
piccolo8344 1 month ago
@masuulka90 English can't be your first language, well I hope not.
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this lady is so stupid and ignorant. The niqab / veil is an invention of the Byzantine empire and came before Islam. She has been put on a pedestal because she goes in line with the Zionist propaganda of today. If ou want to learn about Muslim women talk to practicing muslim women. As for violence America has killed scores more innocents than radical Islam ever could.
KnightCrawler2 2 months ago
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Did you see her getting thrown out of Holland for faking all kinds of bullshit she said about forced marriage, raising 3 children, and her being abused??
The only thing she said the truth was her genital cutting which is purely an African practice. It is practices amongst christians africans/ pagan africans etc..
Xzibillionaire 2 months ago
@hajjod This woman speaks the truth. Quran is really the book of the devil. Their prophet is a devil maniac muhammad. a pedophile, a mass murderer, a great liar like his followers. a sex maniac. You name it. its all the works of the devil.
tony46ization 3 months ago 6
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is an incredibly intelligent woman. I love the way her mind works. May God bless and keep her.
jhall38 3 months ago 4
What was the date of this interview?
ErgoTerraNova 3 months ago
@hajjod way to come with a valid reason, hombre. I think she is one of the brightest and courageous woman of the 21st century, not that she is going to be given a noble peace prize anytime soon. Come to 21st century, dude.
FreeTibetChinaOUT 3 months ago
how come an asylum seeker in Netherlands becomes a member of the parliament within a time spam of 5 years only ???
she must be an Israeli-implant .....there is no other explanation !!
Rajachemayel 4 months ago
Truth is truth, no matter who says it. Islam is a great religion, with some of the best religious practices. But it's is far from being an intellectual religion. In theological terms, Islam makes huge claims; big as a Mountain. But these claims hang from a thin cord- the veracity of Muhammad's (pbuh) prophetical ministry. This ministry was tested by the simple Jewish woman who poisoned Muhammad's food. But in spite of his big claims, he wasn't Paul (who could withstand a serpent's bite), & died.
MashiahBenYosef 4 months ago
@MashiahBenYosef Great points. They need to be developed. Thanks.
jhall38 3 months ago
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1 ayaan hisrsi ali lied about that she was an fugitive,
2 her real name is ayaan hisrhsi magan.
2 they made an documentary and filmed there family and ex husband and every thing she said was an lie to spew her hatred against muslims,
4 she was kicked out of he cabinet of the netherlands becouse she lied that she was an poor women opressed and threatend by ther family,
5 she admited that she still vissites her family regulary, in basis, while she as threatened to be killed by her dad etc
erhan2brother 4 months ago
I have heard Moh was a guy who wanted to invade other countries, ie a Hitler, so he had the book written to get people to support him in his attacks, ie not a religion at all--they've been had for 1200 years.
livegems 4 months ago
@hajjod You mean you see in her face what you want to see.
DanielBerlinTV 4 months ago 7
@hajjod I lost a lot of respect for Fareed for inviting that opportunist woman. Instead of getting a scholarship an getting student visa like I did to go to the West and make he way, she took short cut to promote herself and it worked for her. Ayaan is not invited by the scholarly organizations.
citizenOfNowhere777 5 months ago
@citizenOfNowhere777 You said, "Ayaan is not invited by the scholarly organizations." Of course she is. Check out her debates against Tareq Ramadan of Oxford U. She is extremely literate and a pleasure to hear.
jhall38 3 months ago
@jhall38 She was invited for the debates, not to give speech. Lean to differentiate. She will never be invited by reputable universities where the highest level of scholarly work is conducted.
citizenOfNowhere777 3 months ago
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A hungry women will do anything to get what she wants,and she will accomplish it by lying ,cheating ,We have many black and north africans who looking for papers lying about anything,most of them say they are gay/lesbians or christians or as Ayaan pretend to be victim of genital cutting etc...anything what we the west wants to hear, no wonder the Netherland expelled her. BTW her father was not Muslim
ashbrauw 5 months ago
She is the most racist women in the world. she is naive, her goal is to spread hate. she goes on and on about Islam yet says nothing about other far more severe problems the world is facing. Islam is not the problem, she wants to make it a problem.
gobuddyboy 5 months ago
@gobuddyboy Islam is not a race..smart one. Her goal is to save women and children from shariah law. How is that hate? She goes on about Islam BECAUSE men today are copying what the prophet did back in the day. Genius!
Em183 5 months ago 2
@gobuddyboy Islam is her area of expertise, her point, moron
livegems 4 months ago
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Ayaan is an opportunistic liar.She settled in Kenya & never witnessed war.Went to top school in the country.Her family lived in rich area in a comfortable house.Wasnt forced 2 marry against her will & wasnt in danger of being honor killed; honor killing is not a part of islam anyway.Her husband visited her in the Netherlands & she regularly contacted her father who never wanted to honor kill her.She mixes Islam & Somali cultural practices.Her family wasnt even religious. Shes a exposed fake !!!
13dachronic 5 months ago
Oh GOD, this woman has been through enough. Surely she doesn't have to subject herself to this whiny Anderson Cooper wannabe creep. Hang in there Ayaan, maybe you'll be wrong and when you die you'll certainly deserve 72 (thousand) awesome strong men (who actually know what they're doing), who don't have to treat women like garbage to feel like real men - you know-- non muslims.
stockinettestitch 6 months ago
People like her initiated enlightenment some 300 years ago allowing Christianity to move on from the dark ages into the light, people like her will eventually bring enlightenment to Islam. People like her ensure the world is not remaining in status quo. People like her make this world a better place. And for that we ought to be grateful, all of us including Muslims.
submariner123 6 months ago
She is making some good points. I'm saying that despite being Muslim. Many Muslims are adhering to Islam out of seeking for identity rather than faith. This is a big problem.
homeros8000 6 months ago
Ex-muslim men just dont have the balls to stand up and renounce the evils of religion
ashy6793 6 months ago
i was a muslim i am now atheist happy and free ,ATHEISM AKBAR my muslim brthers pls stop eating arab shitt ,islam is a monkey on your back ,peace and now i really men it thanks
allahussainpak786q 6 months ago
Christianity = religion of FAGS
just ask the pope how little boys tasted like..
arabellaboy 7 months ago
sharmouta
,,if she wants to live in an "open society" and fuck every man in the town that's up to here..but she doesn't have the right to make the descent muslim women like her..
And for the lads here, Islam is the fastest growing religion THIS IS A NON-CHANGING FACT ! every day people form all religions and races form all contents form different educational levels covert to islam, die in jealousy assholes.
arabellaboy 7 months ago
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And atheism is the fastest growing non-religion in the world. I would say it's growing a lot faster than all religions put together.
DanielBerlinTV 6 months ago
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I agree with you...i'm one of the atheists..formerly a muslim.
Every person with a certain amount of education knows that all the so called religions books are fake and the quran is no exception...When Internet censorship ceases in the middle east, that will be the death of islam..People will be just a click away from views of intellectuals like Ayaan, Dawkins, Hitchens, Sam Harris, etc.
ashy6793 6 months ago
@ashy6793 I think if this happens it will serve the faith. There are many Muslims who seek Islam because they are living in horrible poverty and there is nothing else to busy themselves about. I think religions can be developed and understood from different perspectives. Faith is important in human life but it should never taken for granted and followed blindly. The same thing applies to democracy and liberty.
homeros8000 6 months ago
@ashy6793 Yes, let's hope so. Altho being an atheist does not always equate with being a good person. We need to replace biblical morality with humanist principles, imho.
DanielBerlinTV 6 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV
lol...Being an atheist is simply not believing in the existence of an imaginary god or gods...It does not in anyway equate with being a good or bad person...Simply put, atheists can do good and bad things, but it takes religion to get a good person to do horrible things.
ashy6793 6 months ago
@ashy6793 Agreed :)
DanielBerlinTV 6 months ago
@arabellaboy you are a sharmouta for allah
Serpico261 6 months ago
I want to engage Muslims as important allies against radical Islamic terrorism. I do not use the word "Islamic" to offend anyone, I want to help identify the problem that terrorists are using Islam to kill Muslims. Muslims are the biggest victims of radical Islamic terrorism. I need Muslims as allies to destroy this evil in the world.
Ryanyarb24 7 months ago
@Ryanyarb24 There is no Islamic terrorism. The terrorism comes from a political manipulation of people who hold a certain faith; these people are collectively called Islamists.
DanielBerlinTV 7 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV I appreciate your clarification, I will reconsider my use of the term radical Islamic terrorism and instead use the term "Islamists". That is something I will contemplate.
Ryanyarb24 7 months ago
@Ryanyarb24 You can also say "Jihadi" or "Jihadist" and also "Wahhabi" for the Saudi roots. But I think overall we're really talking about fundamentalism mixed with fascist politics and terrorism so I sometimes find "fundamentalist extremist" is a catch all. The important thing is never to form the statement "All X are Y" when talking about an entire race, religion, etc.
DanielBerlinTV 7 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV Many American Muslims I have discussed the issue of terrorism they specifically point to the "Whabbis" as the violent, deviant sect which is the primer move behind all this violence. But quite honestly, I am not a Muslim nor an Islamic Scholar so I am by no means able to dress the issue presented in this video. Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Fareed Zakaria are far more equipped than I am. I see many Muslims as being very conservative family people who were similar to my Grandparents.
Ryanyarb24 7 months ago
@Ryanyarb24 My Granparents lived in a time where religion was very important, men and women had clearly defined roles and family values were very important. People were so conservative in my grandparents time that men and women were never shown kissing on television and were never even shown sharing a bed, they showed them on TV sleeping in separate beds. Now I am not saying this is equivalent to the issues Zakaria is discussing, but I am just saying Muslims have conservative values.
Ryanyarb24 7 months ago
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1. Ayaan is a delutional pathological narcissist, trying to justify her actions & theories.
2. Ayaan shows once again she has zero moral intelligence.
3. Ayaan's stereotyping, generalisations, bigotry & simplistic conclusions demonstrate her lack of sociological sensitivity & empathy.
4. Ayaan's adulteress pregnancy with married man Mr Ferguson demonstrates no moral compass,honour or values.
5. Ayaan is a multi-tool, used by both the Islamophobic lobby & the atheist lobby agendum
fromwilliams 8 months ago
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Dont be so gullible people, Ayaan is nothing more than a paid agent provocateur. Ayaan was re-planted in the US to help the zionists/neocons work public opinion against muslims.
fromwilliams 8 months ago
Is this lady in Senses.
She is claiming to be a Muslim and believing that all problem is being caused by Islam.
Talks about a veil which is enforced in Islam and forget to mention that men are commanded to lower their gaze at sight of women. If she thinks wearing a veil is tough then she should ask whether it is easy for a person to grow beard. Baseless and short sighted arguments from the lady.
Islam allows both male and female to get married at the age of puberty whether it is 9,13 or 18
KAUzoneify 8 months ago
@KAUzoneify Yes I can see where growing a beard and averting the eyes is as taxing as wearing a veil completely hiding a woman's face. And Mohammed married a girl aged SIX.
DanielBerlinTV 8 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV See i don't exaggerate neither falsify the facts. It is really good that you study Islam but it will be even better if you study it from all domains. Now from where did you brought up the thing about SIX years. i mentioned clearly that the age is puberty.
Islam, Christianity and Judaism all oppose homosexuality but at the same time a resolution is being passed in UN about gay rights. What next you want to bring forward in the name of liberalism.
KAUzoneify 8 months ago
@KAUzoneify It is a well established fact Mohammed married the girl when she was six but didn't sleep with her until she was nine. Please don't tell me the child really had any choice in the matter. Please don't tell me you think it's ok and normal for a man old enough to be a child's father to marry a child!
As for the UN under international law anyone under 18 is a child and their rights to choose who they marry and have sex with should be protected throughout all our lives.
DanielBerlinTV 8 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV You defend your UN. I will rather have my kids in a society that knows what is humane and what is not. See sodomites have reincarnated in western societies but please don't enforce your values on us. We have a much higher ethical and social system.
enough said about the age; i clearly said puberty is the age for distinction and i stand by this concept. If you visit a high school or college; you would know the sexual activity happening over there.
KAUzoneify 8 months ago
@KAUzoneify So that justifies someone more than twice the age taking a child as a bride does it? You are the embodiment of the saying that if you want good people to do evil things, give them religion.
DanielBerlinTV 8 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV yeah yeah, homosexuality is a product of religion?????
in a decade or so, a resolution will passed saying having sex with animals and dead people is lawful.
Anyways, the thing i like about you is that you are more sensible then many other who just use abusive language rather then arguments and logic.
KAUzoneify 8 months ago
@KAUzoneify As opposed to the barbarism in your religion that says it's ok to have sex with living breathing children?
DanielBerlinTV 8 months ago
@KAUzoneify I'm glad you mentioned logic so you should have no difficulty recognising the logical fallacy you created in your campaign against homosexuality. Yours is called the Sliding Slope fallacy, a part of the Non Causa Pro Causa fallacies.
DanielBerlinTV 8 months ago
@KAUzoneify
You say that you have a much higher ethical and social system; would you mind describing this to me?
Thanks.
Isaacnibblets 7 months ago
@KAUzoneify So, by your logic, regarding females: Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, right?
caporalchef4 7 months ago
in Islam there is no marriage without the consent of the bride, like i said, this video is outright fail, she doesn't form a proper argument, you on the other hand have this pre determined biased view molded by some comments you read over youtube so be it, Aisha RA was a child she married Muhammad PBUH but like i said she went on to become a central figure in Islam after Muhammad's death, not crying rape and foul like you say, but an advocate of his example, she was advisor, narrator and leader
LegendSnake08 9 months ago
@LegendSnake08 And how exactly does a SIX YEAR OLD CHILD consent? How does a NINE YEAR OLD consent to sex with a grown man? You are really making your religion sound far worse than Ayaan does! It is horrendous that you choose to defend the indefensible here. I suppose you call it moral, too, right?
DanielBerlinTV 9 months ago 11
@DanielBerlinTV tell me do you know who this girl was? her life, biography, childhood, her marriage, her father the first khalifah of islam after Muhammad, her role before and after Muhammad's death? her time with the man himself? would it be correct to assume you have no damn idea? or are you just goin to wikipedia her just to respond? i came here to discredit Ayaan, guess i didnt need to, she did so herself by making a ludicrous argument with her ignorance as evidence.
LegendSnake08 9 months ago
@LegendSnake08 How revolting, how disgusting for you to defend indefensible child rape. So the child grew up and did what she had to to survive, so that makes what a paedophile and rapist did to her all right? Really?
You are the epitome of the saying: if you want good people to do or defend evil, give them religion.
DanielBerlinTV 9 months ago
@LegendSnake08 You clearly failed to discredit Ayaan here. All you've done by defending such savage acts is prove her point for her. The only thing you've discredited in defending such heinous crimes is your religion.
So Ayaan scores a double victory.
DanielBerlinTV 9 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV by now its clear you have no idea of the girl you say was raped, guess i dont need to indulge further, you have no idea what your talking about, the context, the history, the people involved yet like a textbook case you are speaking out of context. you will go on thinking, rather dissapointing your lack of knowledge. honestly, i dont understand what you mean by good people give them religion etc. if your dispute is with religion as a whole, your opinion is noted. thnk u
LegendSnake08 9 months ago
@LegendSnake08 she was NINE YEARS OLD. NINE YEARS OLD. Do you not understand English? A grown man having sex with a NINE YEAR OLD is wrong and is paedophilia not matter what time, culture, or planet!
You daring to use history and culture to defend that wrong is a sickness in your head that has only taken root because you have a religion to defend. That doesn't make it any more right, however.
DanielBerlinTV 9 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV The world's youngest Mother is only 4 years old I believe and she is from China. Does that make her husband a pedophile?I dont think so
pluz93 7 months ago
@pluz93 You believe. Let us know when you know.
DanielBerlinTV 7 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV as for Ms. Ayaan here, i believe i went beyond discrediting her. her victory is a life seclusion and scared shitless every second of the day that someone might kill her. in fact, the opinion on her with respect to mainstream Islam, is that you cannot kill her, she has spoken her mind, so be it. this issues are much more complicated, they have a backstory that can't be outright given black and white status-to kill her or not-henious crime or marriage, context my friend is pivotal
LegendSnake08 9 months ago
@LegendSnake08 You did nothing to discredit Ayaan Hirsi Ali. All you've done in comment after comment is prove her point. And you resorted to a very low indefensible tactic to do so, making her point even easier for us to understand. Thank you for that unintentional outcome of yours.
DanielBerlinTV 9 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV like i said, come back when you actually know about the people you are talking about? msg me or something. we'll talk. as of rite now, believe what you want, if hirsi ali was even mildly successful in dailogue with muslims.....im sorry i couldnt keep a straight face typing that up, shes fuckin stupid and will be laughed at, seriously laughed at, those who are ignorant and without knowledge find her "easier to understand" ;) good luk bro
LegendSnake08 9 months ago
@LegendSnake08 You have no moral backbone whatsoever. Your equivocation here shames and dehumanises us all. She was a SIX YEAR OLD child when a grown man decided to take her for himself. She was NINE YEARS OLD when he decided to force himself on her. There is nothing else to know but that is wrong. It was wrong then and it is wrong now.
DanielBerlinTV 9 months ago
@LegendSnake08 Sorry she was 5 years old and Peruvian. Sorry
pluz93 7 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV Her dad gave consent, not her. Please, if prophet Muhammad (SAW) is that vile, I myself and millions would not follow his religion. His religion would simply cease to exist. So I suggest you do your research properly from a proper source. All the best. :)
pluz93 7 months ago
@pluz93 Oh good grief. You didn't just post that did you? You just posted a perfect example of the saying "if you want good people to believe or do evil things, give them religion!"
DanielBerlinTV 6 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV well from what I know he did not married her for the sex. And besides he was 50+ that time. If he was that sex-hungry, he would marry many women at a young age right? also what does your quote means? I do not get it. Sorry English is not my first language.
pluz93 6 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV you seem to forget that you are talking about people who lived 1400 years ago, life was different people's biological features were different , girls got married at early ages(not only in Arabia but in the entire world at that time) ..and you've to put in mind that girls in hot areas reach their period much earlier than those in cold areas.
arabellaboy 7 months ago
@arabellaboy
Great, so you see how Mohammed can't be a moral guide today. You've come to the same conclusion as Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
DanielBerlinTV 6 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV You have to look at the culture back in 1400 years ago before you attack Prophet Muhammad. You can not compare muslims now to the Prophet. Islam is the truth, but muslims are not all holy.
gobuddyboy 5 months ago
@gobuddyboy So you agree that Muhammed can't be a moral guide today. You just agreed with Ayaan Hirsi Ali. How do you feel? Wiser? More moral?
DanielBerlinTV 5 months ago
She may just be the bravest woman in the world :)
erosmangr74 10 months ago 13
@erosmangr74 I agree. She's incredible. We can only hope to have the fortitude and courage she's shown throughout her life in the face of all she's experienced.
stockinettestitch 6 months ago
Hell yes Mohammad can be a moral guide today! He married a six year-old girl and waited three whole years to have sex with her. How moral is That???
He murdered a Jewish woman's husband, father and brother in front of her, and then married her and raped her that very night. But he MARRIED her first! See?
It makes it ok! (I wonder how she felt being raped by the man who murdered her husband and father hours earlier? Ah, who cares, he married her).
We should ALL follow that example....
MaskedMarvyl 10 months ago
@nickso23 the Quran on the otherhand hasnt changed, not one word is out of place. as for the medieval shit holes and sharia. fact of the day, not one country in the world has implemented sharia, just small parts of it, because it cant be established unless a particular system and Leader (khalifah) is in place.
Saudis-also has the lowest crime rate and guess who leads the most inequal distribution of wealth country in the world, you guessed it 1.USA 2.Brazil
Iran, PLO lol arent models for sharia
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@nickso23 Unlike the Bible, which isnt the Bible at all today considering how much over the years it has been reiterated, subtracted from, added to by Popes who were pirates, murderers and had sex with their own daughters or consider the Council of Nicea where gospels that appealed to the NEW concept of trinity were compiled into the modern bible and those that didnt that appeal to the Ariyan view that Jesus was a Prophet (islamic view) were thrown out, several gospels were expelled.
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@LegendSnake08 and it's funny how you have no problem with the fact that muhammad the whore copied so much fom the bible. or the fact that he married his son's wife after getting a convenient "revelation." or the fact that he stuck his dick into the vagina of a prepubescent 9 year old girl when he was 54.
crying about the bible doesn't change your whore prophet or chidl rapist religion. and the koran is full of violence, since islam is violent. all of chapter 9, the last revealed, is violent
karlsmith00 11 months ago
"muhmmad copied from the bible" note muhammad claims to be in the same line of Prophets as Jesus, Moses, Abraham was, this is the islamic religion, when Jesus came his primary message was monotheism, over the years, as i mentioned considering the corrupted power of the clergy and pope, the bible has severly detracted, nevertheless, alot of the stories are the same in the Quran and Bible, because muslims beleive both are holy books,
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@karlsmith00 "son wife" muhammad had two sons, both died in their infant age, consider yourself fucked here also note the 9 year child was past puberty and stood as a leader among giants of men at the time, refer to my comments below and tell me again if Muhammad was a 'child rapist', i do not defame the bible, its a fundamental principle to accept the bible and torah, chapter 9 talks about the spoils of war about the battle badr, it has not a single command, simple rules should there be war
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@LegendSnake08 all of chapter 9 is the commandment for war.
i don't care what you say about the bible, i don't belong to any religion. i'm just pointing out you're a lying hypocrite muslim who belongs to a child rapist whore religion started by a man who copied from the bible.
i'm talking about zaynab, the woman muhammad married after she was married to his son. he got a revelation because he was a lying whore. not to mention his total of 11 wives and 2 slaves. RUN ALONG, BITCH.
karlsmith00 11 months ago
@nickso23 believe it or not, there is no violent text in the Quran, consider the most quoted 'violent' verse from the Quran "Kill them (non believers) wherever they may be...." context tells us its a reference to a war where muslims were still being persecuted in Makkah, other laws were established around this: don't touch any person who is not armed, dont touch peasants, don't disturb priests and rabbis, don't destory places of worship, only take from the land for subsistence etc.
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@LegendSnake08 you just might be the dumbest fucking muslim i've ever seen. and that's saying a lot.
stop collecting your welfare in canada and get the fuck out of here. you don't belong here.
karlsmith00 11 months ago
@karlsmith00 this youtube account is not mine i share it with a friend, i doubt im the dumbest muslim you've seen, im a convert, i was raised as roman catholic and converted to judaism and then to islam at 19, born and raised in toronto, you should calm yourself my friend, harsh words have been exchanged between us, understand your hate is based off post 9/11 bullshit, a few people claiming to be muslims have not only hurt the west but the muslims as well
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@LegendSnake08 HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
IF YOU'RE A CONVER, THAT MEANS YOUR EXTRA FUCKING STUPID.
you went out and picked a religion started by a wife-beating child raping whore. congratulations! you're even dumber than i originally thought.
i don't know what kind of fucked up dysfunctional family you come from, but it must have been a doozy. islam is for retards and losers. good thing you'll probably leave, as most converts do.
karlsmith00 11 months ago
@LegendSnake08 and i don't care where you were born or where your family comes from.
millions of muslims are born in islamic countries and leave. millions of people throughout history have left where they were born. you can do the same. if you think islam is so wonderful, go live in it. you picked it. there are so many great places to pick from--yemen, somalia, pakistan, bangladesh. you have no place in canada anymore.
bouncing between religions won't fix your childhood. see a shrink
karlsmith00 11 months ago
@karlsmith00 you are one hate-fueled and bitter person, good luck my friend
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@LegendSnake08 it's called truth. you just aren't used to hearing it, that's why you have no response.
i'm giving you some advice--don't ever try that toothpick tapping bullshit ever again. everyone knows wife-beating is legal under islam, and you sound like a joke.
now go see a psychiatrist. using religion won't fix your daddy issues.
karlsmith00 11 months ago
@karlsmith00 You poor hateful man. Still trying to convince Muslims that they are evil? You'll never succeed being rude or insulting others. Then again, you probably don't even care about helping others. You only seek to throw insults. No one takes you seriously.
Sun6Tzu 11 months ago
@LegendSnake08 and yes, you are the dumbest muslim i've ever seen. you get extra points since you'rea convert too.
karlsmith00 11 months ago
shes pissed at what happened to her and blames it on islam, not to mention the fact she has no background in islamic knowledge. if im a christian and m y family put me a school, where i get pulled into beleiving the catholic church isnt harsh enough, the KKK beleif is more mainstream christianity and this verse in the bible actually means this instead of that, as a kid, who also gets abused, what am i going to believe and in this case, once free of it, try to expose it from my prespective
LegendSnake08 1 year ago
@LegendSnake08 The topic is Mohammed & women's rights across many countries and history. The Christian equivalent of Jesus would be one line of him talking of fighting with swords. Hardly a good analogy for your point, is it?
DanielBerlinTV 1 year ago
@LegendSnake08 here comes the same stupid bullshit from muslims when they can't respond to her arguments, since they're all true.
does she look pissed? who looks more pissed--her, or the the muslim pigs demonstrating in egypt? typical response to a woman who is arguing correctly that women are treated like garbage under islam--she's just pissed!
she's telling the truth. she lived through islam and was educated in islam. respond with logic, or just shut up. stop thinking like a kid.
karlsmith00 11 months ago
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LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@karlsmith00 are you downright stupid or do you suffer from some brain ailment, that you so naively believe "she's telling the truth" .......WHAT THE FUCK do the muslims in egypt have to do with her? and please care to elaborate on the 'typical' response i have given for women in islam. not doubt shes pissed, she has every right to be, but being pissed and ignorant, lacking even the most basic principles of islamic theology and aqeedah when disputing such issues; thats bullshit
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@karlsmith00 apologies, i clicked your profile and was greeted with 23 favourites of yours all in some way disputing islam lol i can see where your blind faith in her words comes from now, some sort of islamaphobic ignorance, but honestly speaking, there are alot of misconceptions about islam within your minds and western society in general, ALOT, people take shit out of context, grab a isolated case from some stupid ass muslim who beat his wife and VIOLA we got ourselves the culprit: islam
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@karlsmith00 but take heed before you slander something like islam, a religion that has 1.8 billion followers, you must understand context, this is the most stupid mistake that ignorant people commit, Bill Mahr, Hirsi Ali, Pamela something i forgot her name amongst others, if your not ready to delve into understanding the religion, dont get into, because there is no real need for you to insult any religion, there are more important matters at hand
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@LegendSnake08 look at this stupid muslim bitch in canada, running his mouth.
let me teach you what slander means, you chid rapist follower. SLANDER MEANS SAYING THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. got that? FACTS CANNOT BE SLANDER.
so dont' try that bullshit. and you can stop with the 1.8 billion threat. there are over 5 BILLION NON-MUSLIMS in the world, and we're getting tired of your bullshit. there is no context that makes child rape okay. your prophet was a child raping whore.
karlsmith00 11 months ago
@karlsmith00 THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT! Your stupidity is practically disrupting my computer screens pixels! dammit son, 4:34 i have clearly explained in my comments below, the Quran goes along with the hadith, both must be understand in conjunction, for example the quran says pray but doesnt say how, the hadith explains so, thus, the ayah says "....strike them" and the Prophet's model will tell u with a 'toothbrush', a gentle tap almost a metaphor that they should be made aware
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@LegendSnake08 explained?
oh i see! WITH A TOOTHBRUSH!!!
do you think that's the first time i've heard this taqiyya bullshit? do you think i don't know what 4:34 means?
shut the fuck up, you stupid fucking muslim. you're a stupid muslim bitch in canada, lying through your taqiyya teeth. you belong to a backwards religion started by a wife-beating child raping whore named muhammad, who copied his bullshit from the bible.
shut the fuck up. you don't belong in canada. LEAVE.
karlsmith00 11 months ago
@LegendSnake08 and yes, there is a need to insult islam. your religion deserves to be insulted, and there is nothing more important than that.
wife-beating is LEGAL in your pedophile religion. go read 4:34 in your shit koran. you're pisssed and ignorant, since you're a stupid muslim hypocrite living in the west, lying through your teeth.
you don't belong here and nobody wants you here. good thing canada shut down sharia courts in 2005. muslims have no place in the west. LEAVE.
karlsmith00 11 months ago
@LegendSnake08, uh, you don't have a clue as to her history, or you are lying. She grew up going to Koranic schools in three countries, and even had a private Koranic teacher (who fractured her skull against the wall).
She knows what she is talking about; you don't.
MaskedMarvyl 10 months ago
@MaskedMarvyl listen up we aren't here to waste time on stuff you read from a fucked up blog that you perceive as history, you must understand that not even his greatest enemies, men who tried to assassinate him, killed his friends and family, persecuted the muslims, slandered him-made these sorts of allegations what does that tell you? we aren't here to discuss fictional history behind the da vinci code
LegendSnake08 10 months ago
@MaskedMarvyl moreover, your fucking stupid if you take this woman's life and every muslim SHES met, and everything SHE alone says and make your judgements about, ignorant and dumb is what such a person is. i've in the past 15 comments and replies i've done, tried my best as a first year business student to take apart her credibility when speaking on islamic topics and in my view i've done alright, she has no authority on the topic and can be annihilated by any 3rd class scholar
LegendSnake08 10 months ago
why would you take an ex muslim and ask whether Muhammad is a moral guide? this is stupid, she has no idea what shes talking about! Praciticing the islamic religon can be summed up by simply believing in all the Prophets and God as One, praying 5 times a day, going to hajj once in your life and giving a particular percentage of your income to the needy, thats it! She takes everything out of context, does not understand any of the political and social backstories to each circumstance
LegendSnake08 1 year ago
@LegendSnake08 If only that's all there was to religion. If only. Are you saying only those who believe that falsehoods are true can comment on them? Interesting....
DanielBerlinTV 1 year ago
@LegendSnake08 only by talking to ex cult members can we get an insight as to whats really going on and not get a front that ppl like you put up for us.
Moh5Itachi1 1 year ago
@Moh5Itachi1 you do understand her bias aganist islam? she had a sort of FGM, blamin it on Islam, rather on the ignorant culturual rituals of her society, note the difference between religion and culture. There are chinese, zimbabwen, italian rituals and laws amongst small communities that are barbariac but have no bearing on religion. every interview she speaks ill about islam and muslims, attacks the fundementals but i laugh at how clueless she is about a religion she was never taught
LegendSnake08 1 year ago
@LegendSnake08 She was raised by a religious familiy and lived in Saudi Arabia and she dosent know what she's talking about. FGM is religously inscribe in the koran if there are other cults such as yours that do it they also must be stopped. Read her book ''Infidel'' if you want to know her experiences instead of speaking from ignorance.
Moh5Itachi1 1 year ago
@Moh5Itachi1 no she doesnt know what shes talking about, this clear from her references and how her stupid intreperations, and she has no academic education in islam just like you. FGM inscribed in the Quran? Are you stupid or something?! The Quran is free of any ignorant practices like that. Next time when you hear something, confirm it by going out and reading it yourself. Btw, this cult happens to have 1.6 billion followers and Muhammad being the moral guide is here to stay.
LegendSnake08 1 year ago
@LegendSnake08 the wife beating, child marrying pedo is your moral huh
/watch?v=Wp3Eam5FX58
Moh5Itachi1 1 year ago
@Moh5Itachi1 you just proved my point lol, lets see the evidence: the guys says here are the rules, you cant bruise her, break her bones, cause blooding, you will be liable on the day of judgement. The comment section narrates the ayah which says "beat them" now if you observe the ayahs before and after, it says men and women are equal point 1....
LegendSnake08 1 year ago
@Moh5Itachi1 point 2, the Quran says "establish prayer" it does not tell u how to pray or how much so muslims go to the hadith for that where Muhammad shows instructs us, this is how the core principles of islam have been established, the Quran and hadith working together, similarily, this ayah says "beat them" we go to the hadith, Muhammad PBUH says when they get out of line, TAP them with a miswaak which is a short twig used for brushing your teeth-to let them know they are out of line.
LegendSnake08 1 year ago
@Moh5Itachi1 lastly, you proved my point because just like hiris ali who has no academic knowledge or sense how to approach islam and put it in context which is key here, otherwise lol. The Quran says "Kill the jews and the infidels wherever they maybe, behind trees..." etc, context reveals its a reference to a battle that took place however, this ayah continues to be misquoted and out of context by people like her and others, there are bigger problems in the world then islam my friend
LegendSnake08 1 year ago
@LegendSnake08 Except this is not what Ayaan says. It is Al-qaeda, Hamas, Hizbullah, the Muslim Brotherhood, Iran & other Islamist cranks who either take the Quran literally or out of context. Ayaan's point is that a bible that can be taken literally or out of context with such devastating hatred and human rights abuses is a belief system that is very dangerous in the wrong hands. It's the Islamists who say your liberal interpretation of the Quran is wrong, not Ayaan.
DanielBerlinTV 1 year ago
@DanielBerlinTV These groups you mentioned (although I might disagree with Iran being part of that group), they may take it out of context but they are fully aware of its context as well, it just that they adhere to principles of deviant militant groups that fall outside of islam. There stupidity is rather complex. Nevertheless, my point is Ayaan is not to be taken seriously, she has no credibility, she holds a bias based on her experience which is promoted very publicly.
LegendSnake08 1 year ago
@LegendSnake08 So instead of challenging the points she actually makes, you wish to keep her in a perpetual victim status and ignore everything she then says. Sounds like you're burying your head in the sand to me. Is she wrong to criticise child-bride takin Mohammed who is used as a moral guide today because she herself was abused as child? I don't see the connection. Could this be a non sequitur of yours?
DanielBerlinTV 1 year ago
@LegendSnake08 In fact I find your attempt to have Ayaan ignored disturbing. Are you saying that victims of abuse have no right to speak about abuse? Surely experience is better than theory, right? And more importantly is it Islam that has taught you to silence victims in this way?
DanielBerlinTV 1 year ago
@DanielBerlinTV honestly, i didnt go very far in the clip, i don't even recall how i came across this however, im familiar with her arguments. for example, you mentioned Muhammad taking a child bride, well the Quraish who happened to be the greatest enemies of Muhammad and Islam didnt lay this allegation aganist him. why? because it was a common arab custom.
LegendSnake08 1 year ago
@LegendSnake08 So you admit not even watching the video you're commenting on. Grrreat! And as you say we are aware that child brides (aka rape) is a long Arab custom, it happens in Arab states today. The fact that Mohammed did the same thing adds to its legitimisation - and that's the point Ayaan is arguing against. He cannot be a moral guide today because the Arab customs he represents are morally unacceptable today. So you've trapped yourself by your own point. Well done.
DanielBerlinTV 9 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV rape and marriage aren't synonymous, neither is Islam and the laws that Arab states abide by, i have gone through the video since than and she is rather pathetic, almost hysterical. like i said, Muhammad is by far the most followed example in human history, his ideas, his accomplishments, his ideals are considered revolutionary by the academic world-her argument falls apart before it even starts.
LegendSnake08 9 months ago
@LegendSnake08 it is rape if it is a CHILD, it is rape if the person does NOT consent. Your shameful point is proof that if you want good people to do evil things, give them religion Thanks for having no moral backbone whatsoever. But no thanks.
DanielBerlinTV 9 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV he was single till the age of 25, married his ONLY wife till 40 when she died, didnt marry till he was 53, thats when he married several women, closer study tells us all these women had ties to critical tribes and political backgrounds, thus the 9 or 10 marriages. Aisha, the child bride was the daughter of his closest friend Abu Bakr, Muhammad narrates many times how he loved her the most, he died in her arms, she too returned this love and remained a strong after his death
LegendSnake08 1 year ago
im not stopping her from speaking out, she has every right to do so, but i too have a right to question her credibility, her lack of context, authenticity, her lack of understanding in islamic jurisprudence, fiqh, aqeedah, hadith sciences and the multitudes of subjects she delves into without qualification in any of them. rocket science isnt a subject a business grad (who read a wikipedia page about rocket science when they were 10) should be making claims about, she's a political science grad
LegendSnake08 1 year ago
@LegendSnake08 You're avoiding the issues. You said we shouldn't listen to her because she was abused in her own society which happens to be an Islamic one. I think the abused have a lot to tell us about abuse. Also, can a political scientist not comment on the moral guide today of a man who took a 6 year old child to be his wife? I think political scientists have a lot to say about such a moral guide in the modern world.
DanielBerlinTV 11 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV I just gave you a three comments explanation and im avoiding the issue? And just because she labels her community that abused her as Islamic doesnt mean it is, especially considering the abuse, read my earlier comments on what Islam says about abuse. Moreover, i never said she shouldnt be listened to but bring about a scholar who understands the areas of study outlined who will rip her stupid arguments apart. Shes not about to have any success ever by arguing something like this
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@DanielBerlinTV She was also 9 years of age, past puberty. Irrelevant though, cause to understand the context you have the understand the customs, the time, the situation and relationships, the pre islamic age. Its downright ignorance to judge based on the values or beliefs you hold today. Also, Muhammad has narrated that one should marry who shares the same age and social status (among other things). Note all his other wives were above the age of 40, with exception to Aisha RA.
LegendSnake08 11 months ago
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LegendSnake08 11 months ago
@Moh5Itachi1 His name says it all "Snake"..in the grass.
centurion750bc 1 year ago
@centurion750bc yeah lol, makes me wonder how i ever believed in this.
Moh5Itachi1 1 year ago
hirsi in my language means pig
souizam79 1 year ago
dinesh d'souza is a stupid bitch. what a fucking moron.
karlsmith00 1 year ago