can you change the spokes on a wheel so that they dont cross? i have seen a cool pattern lately where its 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 straight out no crossing how do they do that?
i laced up my wheel and the hub and spokes move around alot. and i tightened the nipples all the way down until no thread is showing and its still like that
sooOOOoo helpfull video!, unfortunately i was an idiot not considering length difference in spokes on the rear hub in attempt to replace both front and rear rim, so i had to take everything apart and sort allready bent spokes :S...
Hmm.. I bought a new hub (Shimano Deore XT), and the instructions show the rear right (drive side) 'outtie' spokes as being trailing. And isn't that right? I read that if the outtie spokes are leading, on heavy pedaling, they compress, and can potentially interfere with the chain.
Thanks for the video tutoriaI just want to say that I followed your instructions to the letter three times! and was frustrated that the spokes always seemed to be the wrong lengths.On the fourth attempt I started lacing them from the other side of the tube hole and bingo all the spokes fitted perfectly, all a bit frustrating, but hey I finally succeeded. For your info, I was using a Hermans 26"rim and an oldish Shimano Parallax hub for a Trek T3 Mtb...thanks again. Are Hermans different?
I forgot, What is the convention for reading rim lable, left or right of bike? Also the same for tyre lable, tub's and hp's? IIrC rim label to left and tyre lable to right if there is no marking or construction to otherwise dictate. Any reason for choosing the ouside the flange spokes as leading spokes?
i have tried to lace my rim twice and both times every 4 holes the spoke will stick out to far and the nipple cant be tighten enough to make the spoke taught am i lacing it wrong
@Aliciabambesha You have made a common mistake. Your trailing spokes are not laced in the right holes, most likely on the non-drive side. First confirm if you have the key spoke is correctly laced. Now, take out all the leading spokes on the drive side and all the spokes on the non drive side except one spoke. Now move that spoke back one hole and re-lace the rest of the spokes. If that does not work repeat the same process, but move the last spoke forward one hole.
@Aliciabambesha@Aliciabambesha You have made a common mistake. Your trailing spokes are not laced in the right holes, most likely on the non-drive side. First confirm if you have the key spoke is correctly laced. Now, take out all the leading spokes on the drive side and all the spokes on the non drive side except one spoke. Now move that spoke back one hole and re-lace the rest of the spokes. If that does not work repeat the same process, but move the last spoke forward one hole.
@Aliciabambesha@Aliciabambesha You have made a common mistake. Your trailing spokes are not laced in the right holes, most likely on the non-drive side. First confirm if you have the key spoke is correctly laced. Now, take out all the leading spokes on the drive side and all the spokes on the non drive side except one spoke. Now move that spoke back one hole and re-lace the rest of the spokes. If that does not work repeat the same process, but move the last spoke forward one hole.
@Aliciabambesha@Aliciabambesha You have made a common mistake. Your trailing spokes are not laced in the right holes, most likely on the non-drive side. First confirm if you have the key spoke is correctly laced. Now, take out all the leading spokes on the drive side and all the spokes on the non drive side except one spoke. Now move that spoke back one hole and re-lace the rest of the spokes. If that does not work repeat the same process, but move the last spoke forward one hole.
Your wheel will work and hold up, it's just that I was taught that the drive spokes (the ones pulling at the rim under force) should always overlap the non drive spokes (the ones pushing under force). This is because it will pose less of a risk of the R. Derr. rubbing against (and perhaps being torn off by) the spokes when under stress in your easiest gear (where the R.Derr. Cage is mm.'s from the spokes).
@Aleowiciuos I think you mean trailing and leading spokes. The trailing spokes run along the inside of the hub and are angled in the same direction as the rotation of the wheel. In the video these spokes do in fact overlap over the leading spokes, which you refer to as the "non-drive" spokes. So I'm not sure what you mean by that. So the ones "pulling" the rim do in fact overlap the ones "pushing the rim". Please check the video again.
@thebiketube Now as far as lacing pattern goes, it depends on how the rim is drilled, meaning whether the spoke hole next to the valve hole is drilled toward the drive side (right) or non-drive side (left). This rim was drilled opposite (left) handed so the spoke hole directly forward of the valve stem is drilled toward the left side, which means that the first trailing spoke will be one hole away from the valve hole.
@Aleowiciuos What might have been confusing is that we started with the leading spokes first, instead of the trailing spokes. In the end the wheel ends up the same. Just because we didn't lace the trailing spokes first doesn't mean its wrong. It's personal preference.
@Aleowiciuos If you would use this wheel for a downhill bike with discbrakes, it is correct like this, but I can't see any mounting holes for a rotor here.
I was thinking radial, but twist sounds interesting. My main question though when it comes to different patterns is that, are there certain patterns that wouldn't be used for the rear wheel? Due to the load and the torque? Or are all the patterns just as strong as one another?
All patterns are definitely not created equal. You definitely want to use some kind of cross pattern for the rear wheel since it gives the wheel more strength.
You're videos are awesome! I actually rebuilt my rear wheel on my 1970's Trek with the help of your original video tutorial on lacing. I was wondering... do you think you could post a tutorial on different lacing patterns? Or point me in the direction of a good text tutorial cuz all the ones I have found are way over my head. Again thanks for all the great tutorials.
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tycoenzo 7 hours ago
Awesome tutorial good work lads
charliemc08 2 weeks ago
can you change the spokes on a wheel so that they dont cross? i have seen a cool pattern lately where its 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 straight out no crossing how do they do that?
flyingeagleone 3 weeks ago
i laced up my wheel and the hub and spokes move around alot. and i tightened the nipples all the way down until no thread is showing and its still like that
ramonbmxx 1 month ago
is this the same way you make motorcross wheels?
H0ND4N5R 1 month ago
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dhicamargo 1 month ago
this is the best lacing vid on u tube
novak458 2 months ago
I accidentally started on the non-drive side......i'm at the truing process would I still be able to true the rim???
Emerica71292 3 months ago
how far should you screw in each nipple for that start????
890321654987 5 months ago
do u have any 70 spoke bicycle rims size 20 vidz
mynamegohard2 6 months ago
sooOOOoo helpfull video!, unfortunately i was an idiot not considering length difference in spokes on the rear hub in attempt to replace both front and rear rim, so i had to take everything apart and sort allready bent spokes :S...
o, and that spoke trick is a killer ! :D
Mrrandom109 6 months ago
how do I connect the toaster? :)
terrancemonster 7 months ago
sweet!!!
thedragonfarm 7 months ago
Hmm.. I bought a new hub (Shimano Deore XT), and the instructions show the rear right (drive side) 'outtie' spokes as being trailing. And isn't that right? I read that if the outtie spokes are leading, on heavy pedaling, they compress, and can potentially interfere with the chain.
busterbox 8 months ago
On the drive side.
yerallnobeds 9 months ago
Thanks for the video tutoriaI just want to say that I followed your instructions to the letter three times! and was frustrated that the spokes always seemed to be the wrong lengths.On the fourth attempt I started lacing them from the other side of the tube hole and bingo all the spokes fitted perfectly, all a bit frustrating, but hey I finally succeeded. For your info, I was using a Hermans 26"rim and an oldish Shimano Parallax hub for a Trek T3 Mtb...thanks again. Are Hermans different?
cosierstearn 11 months ago
are those spokes the titanium atomlabs?
DialedNSSuburban 1 year ago
buy aerospoke :D
EVHfilms 1 year ago
@EVHfilms ... mmh
LiLPinoySteve 9 months ago
I forgot, What is the convention for reading rim lable, left or right of bike? Also the same for tyre lable, tub's and hp's? IIrC rim label to left and tyre lable to right if there is no marking or construction to otherwise dictate. Any reason for choosing the ouside the flange spokes as leading spokes?
TheBeebopper 1 year ago
feeder spoke trick saved my life with my b43's!
The4thbassguy 1 year ago 4
your lisp is sooo funny!
JOSHAPPLE101 1 year ago
@JOSHAPPLE101 Lisp's are fucking mad, what of it.
tomashcu60 10 months ago
how do you kno which side is drive side?
mtgears 1 year ago
@mtgears If the rim has a label, the drive side is traditionally the side from which you can read it.
Rosher18 10 months ago
lol, your mother's toaster?
rockstar9813 1 year ago 2
Fuck!! im atm building a wheel but i took the spokes from my old front wheel, so they are the wrong size! now i have to remove all of them goddamn
tekoheko 1 year ago
lolololol 7:37
xXpurplehayes08Xx 1 year ago
thaks man
proiskos 1 year ago
Thanks for the vids, this along with the Sheldon Brown page = one new wheel!
Aquapussy2008 1 year ago
i am sure that u dont know what ar u doing there xD
BrundukasLT 1 year ago
rainbow anodized titanium spokes?
natashatheunclean 1 year ago
Thats so funny, because I too was thinking of my mothers toaster! This dude does de je vu
nyczumazooma 1 year ago
i have tried to lace my rim twice and both times every 4 holes the spoke will stick out to far and the nipple cant be tighten enough to make the spoke taught am i lacing it wrong
Aliciabambesha 1 year ago
@Aliciabambesha You have made a common mistake. Your trailing spokes are not laced in the right holes, most likely on the non-drive side. First confirm if you have the key spoke is correctly laced. Now, take out all the leading spokes on the drive side and all the spokes on the non drive side except one spoke. Now move that spoke back one hole and re-lace the rest of the spokes. If that does not work repeat the same process, but move the last spoke forward one hole.
roadie5310 1 year ago
@Aliciabambesha @Aliciabambesha You have made a common mistake. Your trailing spokes are not laced in the right holes, most likely on the non-drive side. First confirm if you have the key spoke is correctly laced. Now, take out all the leading spokes on the drive side and all the spokes on the non drive side except one spoke. Now move that spoke back one hole and re-lace the rest of the spokes. If that does not work repeat the same process, but move the last spoke forward one hole.
roadie5310 1 year ago
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@Aliciabambesha @Aliciabambesha You have made a common mistake. Your trailing spokes are not laced in the right holes, most likely on the non-drive side. First confirm if you have the key spoke is correctly laced. Now, take out all the leading spokes on the drive side and all the spokes on the non drive side except one spoke. Now move that spoke back one hole and re-lace the rest of the spokes. If that does not work repeat the same process, but move the last spoke forward one hole.
roadie5310 1 year ago
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@Aliciabambesha @Aliciabambesha You have made a common mistake. Your trailing spokes are not laced in the right holes, most likely on the non-drive side. First confirm if you have the key spoke is correctly laced. Now, take out all the leading spokes on the drive side and all the spokes on the non drive side except one spoke. Now move that spoke back one hole and re-lace the rest of the spokes. If that does not work repeat the same process, but move the last spoke forward one hole.
roadie5310 1 year ago
Thanks you guys this vid helped alot, my build came out pretty much perfect really only one hickup.
datki157 1 year ago
Nice Video, but.. If I have a 50" rim made by me with 60 holes for 60 spokes how can I lace it with 3cross or 5 cross prefereable.
Thanks. :D
MrHiWheeler 1 year ago
Dude has no lips!! But good video regardless.
omnipotentgrab 1 year ago
Wheelsmith spoke prep was used in the beginning of the wheelbuild. You can also use linseed oil. I would not recommend using locktite or grease.
thebiketube 1 year ago
@thebiketube one a flip flop hub, which side would be considered as the drive side; the freewheel side or the fixed side?
DevilChild2 1 year ago
You don't use any locktite/grease when putting the nipples on the spokes? I've heard that some mechanics do that... Thnks!
888eman 1 year ago
nice watch.. what kind is it?
marlo916 2 years ago
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Aleowiciuos 2 years ago
Hey Thanks Aleowiciuos, could you explain where you think it went wrong. Thanks
thebiketube 2 years ago
Your wheel will work and hold up, it's just that I was taught that the drive spokes (the ones pulling at the rim under force) should always overlap the non drive spokes (the ones pushing under force). This is because it will pose less of a risk of the R. Derr. rubbing against (and perhaps being torn off by) the spokes when under stress in your easiest gear (where the R.Derr. Cage is mm.'s from the spokes).
Aleowiciuos 2 years ago
@Aleowiciuos I think you mean trailing and leading spokes. The trailing spokes run along the inside of the hub and are angled in the same direction as the rotation of the wheel. In the video these spokes do in fact overlap over the leading spokes, which you refer to as the "non-drive" spokes. So I'm not sure what you mean by that. So the ones "pulling" the rim do in fact overlap the ones "pushing the rim". Please check the video again.
thebiketube 2 years ago
@thebiketube Now as far as lacing pattern goes, it depends on how the rim is drilled, meaning whether the spoke hole next to the valve hole is drilled toward the drive side (right) or non-drive side (left). This rim was drilled opposite (left) handed so the spoke hole directly forward of the valve stem is drilled toward the left side, which means that the first trailing spoke will be one hole away from the valve hole.
thebiketube 2 years ago
@Aleowiciuos What might have been confusing is that we started with the leading spokes first, instead of the trailing spokes. In the end the wheel ends up the same. Just because we didn't lace the trailing spokes first doesn't mean its wrong. It's personal preference.
thebiketube 2 years ago 6
@Aleowiciuos If you would use this wheel for a downhill bike with discbrakes, it is correct like this, but I can't see any mounting holes for a rotor here.
Wasserbutz 1 year ago
I was thinking radial, but twist sounds interesting. My main question though when it comes to different patterns is that, are there certain patterns that wouldn't be used for the rear wheel? Due to the load and the torque? Or are all the patterns just as strong as one another?
devine86 2 years ago
All patterns are definitely not created equal. You definitely want to use some kind of cross pattern for the rear wheel since it gives the wheel more strength.
thebiketube 2 years ago
I was just looking for any kind of pattern to try out other than the standard one.
devine86 2 years ago
Woot! More BikeTube! So are you guys in the Bay Area? I'm across the bay from SF.
d25myaofg 2 years ago
You're videos are awesome! I actually rebuilt my rear wheel on my 1970's Trek with the help of your original video tutorial on lacing. I was wondering... do you think you could post a tutorial on different lacing patterns? Or point me in the direction of a good text tutorial cuz all the ones I have found are way over my head. Again thanks for all the great tutorials.
devine86 2 years ago
Thanks Devine86! What are you looking for as far as different lacing patters? 4 cross, radial, or something wacky like twist lacing?
thebiketube 2 years ago