I dont see how it was misleading about the NT, those books came centuries after and were contradictions to what had already been established....so they are clearly false so i dont see how they could this video could be misleading.
This video only vaguely references the first council of Nicea in 325AD, and not the second in 787AD
How did Jesus come to be known as a God, and not a prophet? Why is the bible not an encyclopedia of all written works? What human beings have the right to say what the prophets wrote that I can not see?
@IndiaSergeant No it shouldn't cause it says quite the opposite what the whole New Testament says. It is written, that if someone doesn't claim Jesus to be risen in the flesh body, than he's not from God. The book of Judas Iskariot says that Jesus was a spirit who wanted to leave his body, which was a prison for him. That is totaly Gnostic teaching, and NOT Christian.
Where in the world did you obtain your information??? This is SO false...you need to study your Church history. I guess anyone can create "junk" and this is junk. Of course, this is a product of the Religious Right...lie, misinform, all for the Illuminati and the Dark Cabal. Keep people in the dark and asleep....right???
Arius taught that the savoir was a creation. The council made it real. Constantain order all records saying otherwise destroyed and that anyone caught teaching against the ruling would be serverely punished! Arius was suspeciously killed shortly after the ruling. You should never be lead by faith, you should always use right knowledge of facts, which is what the coptic church taught until rome interfered.
@Sven3xs Then study the whole of the Apocrifia. You will find out, that those uninspired writtings are opposing eachother and 66 books of the Bible. They are just made up by gnostics and false prophets.
@NocturnP- I thank you for your concern sir, truly...however I have studied them, in depth, because I did believe what you said, however when I did study them, truly, honestly ..I found Exactly the opposite.
I challenge you, for your own edification, re-read them again with an open mind, and compare them in their original text, to the other books, and you will find FAR more than just some books taken out..you will find relabeled books, texts removed, changed-What they did is Scary & Deceptive.
Wow Chris I was wondering where you stood on this, and I'm glad to see your with those who believe in the validity of the 'majority texts'. At least this is how I see this.
This is ok except you seem to deny the existence of the Church, which sounds really odd. What do you mean there was no hierarchy? All of the churches were apostolic churches. Bishops were ordained in the line of the apostles. You couldn't just declare yourself a "bishop" like some do today. The hierarchy existed from the beginning when Jesus appointed the Twelve. They appointed others. There were other councils. One is mentioned in ACTS (Jerusalem, with the Apostles).
@TonDogWayner Luke was written by Luke, a disciple of Paul. Mark was written by Mark, a disciple of Peter. Matthew and John were disciples of Jesus. The synoptic writers (Matthew, Mark, Luke) had access to similar material in the tradition. The 100 AD is very late for the gospels (the dates are guesses). Most scholars put the synoptics before 70 AD since the destruction of the temple is not mentioned. John is believed to have written last when he was an old man (90-100 AD). Paul did meet Jesus.
There's no conflict between faith in Jesus and Zeitgeist. Jesus can be seen from multiple perspectives, as being the Sun (knowledge, light) and the resurrection of the sun as a natural phenomenon is also reflected in the life of Jesus. All interpretations are an expression of human consciousness. Even if he wasn't a real person, the imprint of such divinity and value are embedded in the human psyche, which make the coherence of his teachings valid and truly real, whatever perspective of choice.
@MayaWix Zeitgeist was made up. It's a LIE. Jesus IS a real person, he lived, died and risen from the dead. He is YAHWEH incarnate. The Reflection of God's glory.
my second question is did you forget put into account that there is an existence of language barrier and gap, between Aramaic and Latin?. my point is how can you trust a council of men who are not Jews. when in fact we all know that Constantine had a political agenda as to why he created the council of Nicaea. basing on that premise alone that couldn't be a substantial weight to trust the judgment of men.
An interesting theory, i would like to know how you came into that conclusion?
when a lot of sources point out differently.
- i would like to point out that i have never read the da vinci codes because it is not a factual evidence.(its fictional) based on talented ramblings of an artist.
my question is you solely put your trust on the council who consist of men that has questionable acts and capabilities?
@drukenhard Judas hung himself due to his guilt, which is spoken about in the gospel. But during this it is said that the tree didn't wish to hang his body and the limb snapped, the spirit of the tree would hold his body no longer. His body fell upon the ground and his stomach split open for his insides to spill out everywhere, as said later in the New Testament. It amazes me how ignorant people see the death of Judas as 1 event and 2 lies, rather than what it is. How he died, and afterwards.
Now Eusebius was himself nearly excommunicated for heresy, and consequently you can see how circular the argumentation is if you take a bundle of sycophants as evidence for unanimous agreement between sovereign autonomous mature judges on the matter, especially if their acceptance - which they desparately wanted to preserve - todepended altogether on conformity.
Thus as I said elsewhere: you have enough good arguments, just drop the bad ones.
As much as I respect the rest of this video, your case against the Gospel of Thomas is invalid. It is obvious that does Not constitute any attempt at the same genre as the four canonical gospels. This is so trivial that it would convince any iontelligent listener that you are merely arguing rhetorically, based on ore-established belief.
The GoTh is VERY interesting and a category of its own as over against the other apocryphal literature due to its structural similarity to the source Q which..
["Ore-establshed above should be "pre-..." of course]
...is also a pure logia-source (as is the GoTh) and definitely predates the canonical Gospels since they derived many logia from it. On top of that, GoTH has many of the canonical sayings in common with Q, as well as others the latter does not contain. Hence it is NOT a copy or oriented at the canonicals AND reliable regarding the common ground. Hence the rest of the sayings cannot be assumed to be less reliable than the rest of the gospels.
..Finally, there isn't even any reason to consider the GoTh "gnostic" (a collective term for all sorts of views) except that it was found among gnostic Nag Hammadi texts - talk about a bad reason !
The Gospel of Thomas is simply playing in a league of its own and must be assumed to be no more or less reliable than Q.
The opinion of people like Eusebius must be viewed in the light that Eusebius was mostly a parrot of Origen whose views were themselves condemned by the church.
First of all you don't know what Christ looks like and second of all God says bow down to NO IMAGES OR MAKE ANY IMAGES of things in Heaven or on Earth or under the earth,so that includes statues of Christ,Mary,the POPE, Eucharist and saints.RCC members don't believe God though,they follow only the GODLESS POPE who forbids to marry and teaches abstaining from foods that God has blessed.Also there was no ROMAN Catholic Church when Paul was alive.
@CBALLEN Praying to the dead that is practiced by the Pagans is not the samething practiced by RC Christians b/c we ASK people already in Heaven to pray for us. In the Book of Revelation we read of Saints taking the prayers of the people on Earth to Heaven before the Lamb. Which man made SECT do u affiliate yourself with since u Protestants are not 1 church like the Church Jesus started in the Bible and is alive today until the end of time: the RCC.
@eljunior98 God explicitly says DON'T TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEAD,THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT THE DEAD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THINGS ON EARTH.R. Catholicism is nothing but paganism mixed in with elements of Christianity,this was done by design to coax the pagans to come to Christ and still have parts of their religion to hold on to.The RCC is a whore who has prostituted herself with many gods.
@eljunior98 What are you going to do when you say Lord ,Lord,haven't I done many good works in your name? And He says depart from me ,you worker of iniquity into everlasting fire! This is the same thing that most POPES WILL HEAR! The Popes have replaced Christ in Roman Catholicism,and Jesus is a Jealous God who does not share His Godhood with any flawed human.Popes are just the new Caesars who call themselves gods.
@CBALLEN I look forward towards the last day b/c I practice what Christ taught when he was on Earth Faith&Good Works. Popes have NEVER claimed to be God. This is proof that u are out of theological arguments so u resort now to name calling and Jehovah Wittness realistic fiction! Popes are the successors of St. Peter who was the leader of the Apostles on Earth when Christ ascended into Heaven.
@eljunior98 Peter was NEVER the POPE,THIS IS WHERE YOU FOUNDATION IS FLAWED AND WHERE THE RCC GAINED POWER BY CALLING HIMSELF THE VICAR OF CHRIST.You RCs are some of the most gullible people that I've ever come across,read some real Church history and find out the truth.
Jesus condemned the traditions of men that taught contrary to scripture,yet the RCC puts much more faith in MAN'S TRADITIONS and scoff at the Bible.Simon Magus taught idol worship so does the RCC.Simon "PETER" Magus taught praying to the dead,so does the RCC.ALL false religions teach a works based salvation,so does the RCC.
@CBALLEN Idol worship is the worshiping of FALSE gods like the Egyptians worshiped the Pharoahs that they made pyramids for, the Romans worshipped the Caesar as one of many gods. We in the RCC only have images of Christ(God&Man)b/c God doesnt have a physical image but Christ does. We worship who the image represents like the Jews worshiped God and not the Bronze Serpent they kneeled in front of in the book of Numbers. Get it straight and stop pulling scripture out of its context.
I dont see how it was misleading about the NT, those books came centuries after and were contradictions to what had already been established....so they are clearly false so i dont see how they could this video could be misleading.
This video only vaguely references the first council of Nicea in 325AD, and not the second in 787AD
How did Jesus come to be known as a God, and not a prophet? Why is the bible not an encyclopedia of all written works? What human beings have the right to say what the prophets wrote that I can not see?
@IndiaSergeant No it shouldn't cause it says quite the opposite what the whole New Testament says. It is written, that if someone doesn't claim Jesus to be risen in the flesh body, than he's not from God. The book of Judas Iskariot says that Jesus was a spirit who wanted to leave his body, which was a prison for him. That is totaly Gnostic teaching, and NOT Christian.
Where in the world did you obtain your information??? This is SO false...you need to study your Church history. I guess anyone can create "junk" and this is junk. Of course, this is a product of the Religious Right...lie, misinform, all for the Illuminati and the Dark Cabal. Keep people in the dark and asleep....right???
Arius taught that the savoir was a creation. The council made it real. Constantain order all records saying otherwise destroyed and that anyone caught teaching against the ruling would be serverely punished! Arius was suspeciously killed shortly after the ruling. You should never be lead by faith, you should always use right knowledge of facts, which is what the coptic church taught until rome interfered.
@Sven3xs Then study the whole of the Apocrifia. You will find out, that those uninspired writtings are opposing eachother and 66 books of the Bible. They are just made up by gnostics and false prophets.
@NocturnP- I thank you for your concern sir, truly...however I have studied them, in depth, because I did believe what you said, however when I did study them, truly, honestly ..I found Exactly the opposite.
I challenge you, for your own edification, re-read them again with an open mind, and compare them in their original text, to the other books, and you will find FAR more than just some books taken out..you will find relabeled books, texts removed, changed-What they did is Scary & Deceptive.
Wow Chris I was wondering where you stood on this, and I'm glad to see your with those who believe in the validity of the 'majority texts'. At least this is how I see this.
This is ok except you seem to deny the existence of the Church, which sounds really odd. What do you mean there was no hierarchy? All of the churches were apostolic churches. Bishops were ordained in the line of the apostles. You couldn't just declare yourself a "bishop" like some do today. The hierarchy existed from the beginning when Jesus appointed the Twelve. They appointed others. There were other councils. One is mentioned in ACTS (Jerusalem, with the Apostles).
@TonDogWayner Luke was written by Luke, a disciple of Paul. Mark was written by Mark, a disciple of Peter. Matthew and John were disciples of Jesus. The synoptic writers (Matthew, Mark, Luke) had access to similar material in the tradition. The 100 AD is very late for the gospels (the dates are guesses). Most scholars put the synoptics before 70 AD since the destruction of the temple is not mentioned. John is believed to have written last when he was an old man (90-100 AD). Paul did meet Jesus.
There's no conflict between faith in Jesus and Zeitgeist. Jesus can be seen from multiple perspectives, as being the Sun (knowledge, light) and the resurrection of the sun as a natural phenomenon is also reflected in the life of Jesus. All interpretations are an expression of human consciousness. Even if he wasn't a real person, the imprint of such divinity and value are embedded in the human psyche, which make the coherence of his teachings valid and truly real, whatever perspective of choice.
@MayaWix Zeitgeist was made up. It's a LIE. Jesus IS a real person, he lived, died and risen from the dead. He is YAHWEH incarnate. The Reflection of God's glory.
my second question is did you forget put into account that there is an existence of language barrier and gap, between Aramaic and Latin?. my point is how can you trust a council of men who are not Jews. when in fact we all know that Constantine had a political agenda as to why he created the council of Nicaea. basing on that premise alone that couldn't be a substantial weight to trust the judgment of men.
An interesting theory, i would like to know how you came into that conclusion?
when a lot of sources point out differently.
- i would like to point out that i have never read the da vinci codes because it is not a factual evidence.(its fictional) based on talented ramblings of an artist.
my question is you solely put your trust on the council who consist of men that has questionable acts and capabilities?
@drukenhard Judas hung himself due to his guilt, which is spoken about in the gospel. But during this it is said that the tree didn't wish to hang his body and the limb snapped, the spirit of the tree would hold his body no longer. His body fell upon the ground and his stomach split open for his insides to spill out everywhere, as said later in the New Testament. It amazes me how ignorant people see the death of Judas as 1 event and 2 lies, rather than what it is. How he died, and afterwards.
Now Eusebius was himself nearly excommunicated for heresy, and consequently you can see how circular the argumentation is if you take a bundle of sycophants as evidence for unanimous agreement between sovereign autonomous mature judges on the matter, especially if their acceptance - which they desparately wanted to preserve - todepended altogether on conformity.
Thus as I said elsewhere: you have enough good arguments, just drop the bad ones.
As much as I respect the rest of this video, your case against the Gospel of Thomas is invalid. It is obvious that does Not constitute any attempt at the same genre as the four canonical gospels. This is so trivial that it would convince any iontelligent listener that you are merely arguing rhetorically, based on ore-established belief.
The GoTh is VERY interesting and a category of its own as over against the other apocryphal literature due to its structural similarity to the source Q which..
["Ore-establshed above should be "pre-..." of course]
...is also a pure logia-source (as is the GoTh) and definitely predates the canonical Gospels since they derived many logia from it. On top of that, GoTH has many of the canonical sayings in common with Q, as well as others the latter does not contain. Hence it is NOT a copy or oriented at the canonicals AND reliable regarding the common ground. Hence the rest of the sayings cannot be assumed to be less reliable than the rest of the gospels.
..Finally, there isn't even any reason to consider the GoTh "gnostic" (a collective term for all sorts of views) except that it was found among gnostic Nag Hammadi texts - talk about a bad reason !
The Gospel of Thomas is simply playing in a league of its own and must be assumed to be no more or less reliable than Q.
The opinion of people like Eusebius must be viewed in the light that Eusebius was mostly a parrot of Origen whose views were themselves condemned by the church.
First of all you don't know what Christ looks like and second of all God says bow down to NO IMAGES OR MAKE ANY IMAGES of things in Heaven or on Earth or under the earth,so that includes statues of Christ,Mary,the POPE, Eucharist and saints.RCC members don't believe God though,they follow only the GODLESS POPE who forbids to marry and teaches abstaining from foods that God has blessed.Also there was no ROMAN Catholic Church when Paul was alive.
@CBALLEN Praying to the dead that is practiced by the Pagans is not the samething practiced by RC Christians b/c we ASK people already in Heaven to pray for us. In the Book of Revelation we read of Saints taking the prayers of the people on Earth to Heaven before the Lamb. Which man made SECT do u affiliate yourself with since u Protestants are not 1 church like the Church Jesus started in the Bible and is alive today until the end of time: the RCC.
@eljunior98 God explicitly says DON'T TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEAD,THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT THE DEAD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THINGS ON EARTH.R. Catholicism is nothing but paganism mixed in with elements of Christianity,this was done by design to coax the pagans to come to Christ and still have parts of their religion to hold on to.The RCC is a whore who has prostituted herself with many gods.
@eljunior98 What are you going to do when you say Lord ,Lord,haven't I done many good works in your name? And He says depart from me ,you worker of iniquity into everlasting fire! This is the same thing that most POPES WILL HEAR! The Popes have replaced Christ in Roman Catholicism,and Jesus is a Jealous God who does not share His Godhood with any flawed human.Popes are just the new Caesars who call themselves gods.
@CBALLEN I look forward towards the last day b/c I practice what Christ taught when he was on Earth Faith&Good Works. Popes have NEVER claimed to be God. This is proof that u are out of theological arguments so u resort now to name calling and Jehovah Wittness realistic fiction! Popes are the successors of St. Peter who was the leader of the Apostles on Earth when Christ ascended into Heaven.
@eljunior98 Peter was NEVER the POPE,THIS IS WHERE YOU FOUNDATION IS FLAWED AND WHERE THE RCC GAINED POWER BY CALLING HIMSELF THE VICAR OF CHRIST.You RCs are some of the most gullible people that I've ever come across,read some real Church history and find out the truth.
Jesus condemned the traditions of men that taught contrary to scripture,yet the RCC puts much more faith in MAN'S TRADITIONS and scoff at the Bible.Simon Magus taught idol worship so does the RCC.Simon "PETER" Magus taught praying to the dead,so does the RCC.ALL false religions teach a works based salvation,so does the RCC.
@CBALLEN Idol worship is the worshiping of FALSE gods like the Egyptians worshiped the Pharoahs that they made pyramids for, the Romans worshipped the Caesar as one of many gods. We in the RCC only have images of Christ(God&Man)b/c God doesnt have a physical image but Christ does. We worship who the image represents like the Jews worshiped God and not the Bronze Serpent they kneeled in front of in the book of Numbers. Get it straight and stop pulling scripture out of its context.
Chis' vid seems to be advocating an extremely late date for the emergence of the Gospel of Thomas. It seems most scholars date the text from AD 60 to AD 140. If you (Chris) is going to give such late dates, you should explain why their dates are faulty.
The Gospel of Thomas is usually dated from around 140-200 A.D. This book describes itself in the opening statement as the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke. John 18:20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
I disagree with the statement that the hierarchy didn't exist in the beginning of the church. That is untrue. From the church's inception threre existed the three grades of bishop, priest and deacon. Also an honest reading of sacred scripture clearly indicated that Jesus appointed St. Peter as the chief shepherd (Pope) when he gave him the keys to the kingdom.
there were overseers / bishops, elders and deacons.
Where are "priests" mentioned by Paul in 1 Timothy or in his epistle to Titus? Nowhere! The bishop of Rome was just a bishop like any other until power shifts over 500 years later brought the bishop of Rome to more pre-eminence. The keys of the kingdom don't have anything to do with Popes, but rather discipline within the Church. So, the statements given in this video are true - disagree all you want. RCC rewriting of history notwithstanding!
Yes we know now the Council of Nicea was a myth thanks to Chris White..he was there you know!!! He knows the Bible to be GODS creation! Only probelm is that GOD is a product of the human mind..created by it. So we can all spend our lives debating, killing and condemning each other..IN THE NAME OF GOD!!!
Anyone who thinks the bible as small as it is; is the complete word of god has mental issues. Jesus's disciples even quoted the book of enoch, Jude 14-15;which mysteriously dissappeared from the canon in the 4th century. Yes most of you are worried about swine flu vaccines and fema camps; but they are nothing compared to the psi wars the gov't has planned for you. Your mandatory digital tv will be weaponized after the abyss of revelation is opened to control the demons that will attack you.
1. Jude was not one of "Jesus's disciples." Check Jude 1, sir.
2. The REASON the book of Enoch was not included in the OLD TESTAMENT was because Jesus never referenced the book it was in. The entire old testament is comprised of all the writings in the FIVE books Jesus ever referenced.
@DoKtaTre Why does it matter if Yeshua referenced it or not? The old testament speaks of many books stripped from the original canon such as the book of Jasher(2Samuel 1:18) and the acts of solomon(1 Kings 11:41). King Pedophile(the POPE) and the rest of the vatican satan worshipers obviously corrupted the American Bible.
You know what would be really cool? If you would stop spouting completely un-educated prejudicial conjectures, my friend. It matters if "[Jesus] referenced it or not" because He is what the entire book's about (in case you hadn't figured it out already).
Secondly, the pope had NOTHING to do with the writing of the King James Bible -- or any bible, for that matter (with the obvious exception of the CATHOLIC BIBLE) -- or the cannon.
My conclusions come from studying and being informed by spiritual beings. I believe the Vatican influenced and corrupted the american bible and I believe King James was a mason. I believe the only uncorrupted bible is the ethiopian texts which were hidden during the crusades. I have an original hebrew time relative bible that doesn't contradict itself, as both the american bible, Koran, and catholic one does.
"spiritual beings," eh? ;) I take it you haven't watched any of Chris's videos on the 2012 myth? God won't speak to anyone via "spiritual beings." There are instances in the bible of Angels appearing IN DREAMS -- but only to those who've tried to remain "righteous." I pray for you, my neighbor, and hope that you will find what you're looking for shortly.
I never said angels because I really don't know what they are. I just know they have a very powerful presence. It is possible they could be deceiving demons. I never watched his videos on 2012 because the beings informed me about the strong delusion that's coming; so i never believed anything I heard about 2012. I have watched a lot of his other videos and enjoy them; but I just know the bible have been tampered with and I have a time relative hebrew bible that has books our bible doesn't
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the bible was WRITTEN by men! not GOD.
the old testament is only small a fraction of the books involved in the early bible. the old testament was an adoption by the church of popular stories used in religions BEFORE it's existence.
God, if you believe in God, wouldn't be God at all if it showed itself to man outright or told some men to write down it's ideas.
religion is simply a device used by the power-elite to control/ enslave the minds of the people they govern. a product of the state.
You are a product of a world wide conspiracy of disinformation that has tried for centuries to do away with the Creator of Heaven and Earth,THE GOD OF THE BIBLE.Only stupid people believe that nothing created everything.Even as unintelligent as you are surely something in the back of your mind whispers that you are being duped,don't be a fool,repent and believe.
The Roman Catholic Church is the worlds largest cult so I can see why you feel the way you do.You have been indoctrinated into believing Peter was the first pope,but if you would study a little,you will find that it was Simon Magus,from the book of Acts,that lead the Roman Church with it's Babylonian Mystery religion mixed in.Come out of the whore of Babylon,stop bowing before idols , praying to the dead and cry out for God to save you from Satan's playground.God Bless
The most divine source for information is the Akashic records in the 5th dimensional perspective of reality automatically updated after any and all acts.
@CBALLEN Actually if u study history correctly u will read and learn that Peter became the Bishop of Rome (Pope) around the yr when he was martyred in what is today St. Peter's Square. Also for a good while in the RCC there were only 5 Dioceses: Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople, and Rome. Rome was where Peter and Paul wanted to go to spread the faith more throughout the world(at that time all the Roman Empire), and here is where they were martyred. Get the facts straight herectic.
@eljunior98 Maybe you should study something more than RCC indoctrination material.SHOW ME IN THE BiBLE where Peter was in Rome.Also Peter is buried in Jerusalem.
@eljunior98 Maybe you should study something more than RCC indoctrination material.SHOW ME IN THE BiBLE where Peter was in Rome.Also Peter is buried in Jerusalem.
@CBALLEN"Just b/c something is not in the Bible doesn't mean that it didn't happen." Jesus's Apostles with the exception of Judas Isacariot who hung himself were not killed until after the period of their letters in da NT. The Bible doesnt say doesnt say Peter was da leader of Rome b/c he was da leader of da whole Church given to him by Christ Matt 16:18-19 but when he got to Rome he did. From what I can remember from what I have read Peter was martyred in Rome and buried in Rome.
@eljunior98 1Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Timothy 4:2 - Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Timothy 4:3 - Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
@eljunior98 God revealed to Paul what the RCC was all about so Paul could head it off at the pass,by calling it what it is,a doctrine of DEVILS.Still RCC members don't care what God says,they'd rather believe the ''PAPA''
@CBALLEN No St.Paul never taught that the RCC was a doctrine of Devils. Ur just taking out of context the meaning of something u read in the NT. Point out what u say if ur not a AFRAID to look stupid.
@CBALLEN Prove that we believe a Man instead of the BIble. Why would u teach something the Bible does NOT teach: The Bible contains ALL the truth of Christ. When it reality its the Bible with Oral Tradition that contains ALL the truth of Christ. It was the Oral Tradition that was used to validate which texts would make up the NT. Provide DATA u liar before u make false claims!!! Herectic!
@eljunior98@eljunior98 The Bible teaches that Baptism is for those who acknowledge Christ as Lord,if Jesus has not saved you before getting baptized,you're just getting wet.The serpent that God commanded to be looked at for snake bites,was not worshiped or bowed down to.The church is the body of Christ,only those Jesus has saved are the Church.
Also the RCC calls Mary QUEEN OF HEAVEN,which is blasphemy! Look in the Bible and see if you can find any reference to Mary being the queen of heaven,you won't,that's another contrived part of your worthless religion.
@CBALLEN Nothing that the RCC teaches is contrary to the Bible. U Protestants do a good job doing things that contradict the Bible. Where in the Bible is their a age requirement for baptism, where in the NT did Christ teach to pay weekly tithes, where in the Bible does it teach that a man can start his own church, where in the Bible does it say that Jesus taught Scripture Alone? Who follows the teaching of men now!
@eljunior98 What do you want me to back up?Anyone who claims to be a VICAR of Christ "INSTEAD OF CHRIST","Christ on earth" is claiming something that he cannot back up,and the POPE EVEN RECEIVES WORSHIP FROM DELUDED RC,HE is a false God!
@CBALLEN What r u stupid! No one worships the Pope. If u see someone salute him through kneeling in front of him to kiss his Papal ring is demonstrating an ancient form of European Chivalry: Read a history book!! Vicar of Christ comes from Peter whom Christ stated He was a rock and upon him(this Rock) He would build his(Christ) Church Matt 16:18-19. What is a false God u Protestants starting ur own store front churches.
@CBALLEN I look forward towards the last day b/c I practice what Christ taught when he was on Earth Faith&Good Works. Popes have NEVER claimed to be God. This is proof that u are out of theological arguments so u resort now to name calling and Jehovah Wittness realistic fiction! Popes are the successors of St. Peter who was the leader of the Apostles on Earth when Christ ascended into Heaven.
@CBALLEN What is a false God are u Protestants starting ur own store front churches when the NT only speaks of 1 Church that is 2000yrs old dating back to the time of Christ which today speaking historically, logically, and theologically is the RCC. Start doing studying history, reading valid primary sources, and stop repeating what someone else SAID and reading Realistic Fiction novels.
@CBALLEN I really wish u would back up what u say with evidence. Its sounds like ur just making all of this stuff up and that ur not used to a RC Christian that knows his faith so well that he is proving in ur own eyes that ur SECT is a just another Protestant heresy of RCC which can be seen in Acts with the Judaizers and 2 Corinthians with the ppl of the Church that started to be against St.Paul. Which one of the 35,000 sects do u belong to?
@CBALLEN Peter was the first Pope ur just to small minded to realize that Pope was just another name that the Church gave the Bishop of Rome and the Head of the Bishops from the Greek word for Father b/c he was a "father of the faith" similar to St. Paul and like all priests and Bishops are called to be. This is similar to sacred scripture that the RCC gave it the Acronym Bible meaning books in Greek.
@CBALLEN Peter was the first Pope ur just to small minded to realize that Pope was just another name that the Church gave the Bishop of Rome and the Head of the Bishops from the Greek word for Father b/c he was a "father of the faith" similar to St. Paul and like all priests and Bishops are called to be. This is similar to sacred scripture that the RCC gave it the Acronym Bible meaning books in Greek.
@CBALLEN Since the RCC is so much of a cult study the Councils of Carthage and Hippo where the Bishops were the ones who put the NT canons together in Carthage we got 22 and in Hippo we got the 27 that we have today.
@eljunior98 If you'd read your Bible you will find that PAUL was the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES,AND PETER TO THE JEWS.So stop taking your Catholic tradition as fact and trust the Bible.
@CBALLEN If u read the Bible Jesus was the first to preach to both Jews and Gentiles(ALL Non-Jews). Peter was an apostle to the Jews first because that is who surrounded them at the time. Also Paul preached to the Gentiles after having been approved by the Apostles to be an Apostle. I still dont know what ur argument is!
@CBALLEN The Popes are the Bishops of the Diocese of Rome where Peter and Paul are buried. Their hasnt been a Ceasar since the FALL of the Roman Empire.
@eljunior98 "thou shall not make any graven images...", Exodus 20:3-5 "Thou shall have no other gods before thee." do not make any graven images of them, or bow down and worship them for I am a jealous God. We are not to make images of any false gods and worship them, that is what they were doing in Exodus, worshipping all sorts of false gods that they made graven images of.The R.C Bible removed the 2 nd commandment and split the 9th into 2 parts,because those statues brought in cash for RC
@CBALLEN Read Numbers 21 when God orders Moses to make the bronze serpent and in Exodus when God orders the making of Cherubins on both sides of the Ark of the Covenant. Da Bible condemns worshipping images NOT making and/or having them for as religious reminders of important ppl like Christ(God Incarnate in Human Flesh). 1st Commandment wasnt changed by da RCC da other words included in ur PROTEST are descriptions to da Jews of how to avoid it b/c they were worshipping images like da Egyptians.
@eljunior98 The Roman Church has become a den of pedophiles that have exchanged the truth for a lie,you've managed not only to crown a man god on Earth,but you bow before graven idols that are detestable to God and have turned Jesus,who is very GOD, into an impotent mamma's boy.Come out of this whore!
@CBALLEN Idols are FALSE Gods and this is why the Pharoah was an Idol of the Egyptians, the Ceasar an Idol of the Romans, even though they were NOT images. The Bronze Serpent God ordered Moses to make wasnt an Idol b/c the Jews worshiped God and NOT that image proving the Bible condemns worshipping images and NOT having images as da RCC does.
@CBALLEN"Just b/c something is not in the Bible doesn't mean that it didn't happen." Jesus's Apostles with the exception of Judas Isacariot who hung himself were not killed until after the period of their letters in da NT. The Bible doesnt say doesnt say Peter was da leader of Rome b/c he was da leader of da whole Church given to him by Christ Matt 16:18-19 but when he got to Rome he did. From what I can remember from what I have read Peter was martyred in Rome and buried in Rome.
@eljunior98 1Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Timothy 4:2 - Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Timothy 4:3 - Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
@eljunior98 God revealed to Paul what the RCC was all about so Paul could head it off at the pass,by calling it what it is,a doctrine of DEVILS.Still RCC members don't care what God says,they'd rather believe the ''PAPA''
@CBALLEN No St.Paul never taught that the RCC was a doctrine of Devils. Ur just taking out of context the meaning of something u read in the NT. Point out what u say if ur not a AFRAID to look stupid.
@CBALLEN Prove that we believe a Man instead of the BIble. Why would u teach something the Bible does NOT teach: The Bible contains ALL the truth of Christ. When it reality its the Bible with Oral Tradition that contains ALL the truth of Christ. It was the Oral Tradition that was used to validate which texts would make up the NT. Provide DATA u liar before u make false claims!!! Herectic!
@eljunior98@eljunior98 The Bible teaches that Baptism is for those who acknowledge Christ as Lord,if Jesus has not saved you before getting baptized,you're just getting wet.The serpent that God commanded to be looked at for snake bites,was not worshiped or bowed down to.The church is the body of Christ,only those Jesus has saved are the Church.
Also the RCC calls Mary QUEEN OF HEAVEN,which is blasphemy! Look in the Bible and see if you can find any reference to Mary being the queen of heaven,you won't,that's another contrived part of your worthless religion.
@CBALLEN Nothing that the RCC teaches is contrary to the Bible. U Protestants do a good job doing things that contradict the Bible. Where in the Bible is their a age requirement for baptism, where in the NT did Christ teach to pay weekly tithes, where in the Bible does it teach that a man can start his own church, where in the Bible does it say that Jesus taught Scripture Alone? Who follows the teaching of men now!
@eljunior98 What do you want me to back up?Anyone who claims to be a VICAR of Christ "INSTEAD OF CHRIST","Christ on earth" is claiming something that he cannot back up,and the POPE EVEN RECEIVES WORSHIP FROM DELUDED RC,HE is a false God!
@CBALLEN What r u stupid! No one worships the Pope. If u see someone salute him through kneeling in front of him to kiss his Papal ring is demonstrating an ancient form of European Chivalry: Read a history book!! Vicar of Christ comes from Peter whom Christ stated He was a rock and upon him(this Rock) He would build his(Christ) Church Matt 16:18-19. What is a false God u Protestants starting ur own store front churches.
@CBALLEN I look forward towards the last day b/c I practice what Christ taught when he was on Earth Faith&Good Works. Popes have NEVER claimed to be God. This is proof that u are out of theological arguments so u resort now to name calling and Jehovah Wittness realistic fiction! Popes are the successors of St. Peter who was the leader of the Apostles on Earth when Christ ascended into Heaven.
@CBALLEN What is a false God are u Protestants starting ur own store front churches when the NT only speaks of 1 Church that is 2000yrs old dating back to the time of Christ which today speaking historically, logically, and theologically is the RCC. Start doing studying history, reading valid primary sources, and stop repeating what someone else SAID and reading Realistic Fiction novels.
@CBALLEN I really wish u would back up what u say with evidence. Its sounds like ur just making all of this stuff up and that ur not used to a RC Christian that knows his faith so well that he is proving in ur own eyes that ur SECT is a just another Protestant heresy of RCC which can be seen in Acts with the Judaizers and 2 Corinthians with the ppl of the Church that started to be against St.Paul. Which one of the 35,000 sects do u belong to?
@CBALLEN Peter was the first Pope ur just to small minded to realize that Pope was just another name that the Church gave the Bishop of Rome and the Head of the Bishops from the Greek word for Father b/c he was a "father of the faith" similar to St. Paul and like all priests and Bishops are called to be. This is similar to sacred scripture that the RCC gave it the Acronym Bible meaning books in Greek.
@CBALLEN Peter was the first Pope ur just to small minded to realize that Pope was just another name that the Church gave the Bishop of Rome and the Head of the Bishops from the Greek word for Father b/c he was a "father of the faith" similar to St. Paul and like all priests and Bishops are called to be. This is similar to sacred scripture that the RCC gave it the Acronym Bible meaning books in Greek.
@CBALLEN Since the RCC is so much of a cult study the Councils of Carthage and Hippo where the Bishops were the ones who put the NT canons together in Carthage we got 22 and in Hippo we got the 27 that we have today.
@eljunior98 If you'd read your Bible you will find that PAUL was the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES,AND PETER TO THE JEWS.So stop taking your Catholic tradition as fact and trust the Bible.
@CBALLEN If u read the Bible Jesus was the first to preach to both Jews and Gentiles(ALL Non-Jews). Peter was an apostle to the Jews first because that is who surrounded them at the time. Also Paul preached to the Gentiles after having been approved by the Apostles to be an Apostle. I still dont know what ur argument is!
@CBALLEN The Popes are the Bishops of the Diocese of Rome where Peter and Paul are buried. Their hasnt been a Ceasar since the FALL of the Roman Empire.
@eljunior98 "thou shall not make any graven images...", Exodus 20:3-5 "Thou shall have no other gods before thee." do not make any graven images of them, or bow down and worship them for I am a jealous God. We are not to make images of any false gods and worship them, that is what they were doing in Exodus, worshipping all sorts of false gods that they made graven images of.The R.C Bible removed the 2 nd commandment and split the 9th into 2 parts,because those statues brought in cash for RC
@CBALLEN Read Numbers 21 when God orders Moses to make the bronze serpent and in Exodus when God orders the making of Cherubins on both sides of the Ark of the Covenant. Da Bible condemns worshipping images NOT making and/or having them for as religious reminders of important ppl like Christ(God Incarnate in Human Flesh). 1st Commandment wasnt changed by da RCC da other words included in ur PROTEST are descriptions to da Jews of how to avoid it b/c they were worshipping images like da Egyptians.
@eljunior98 The Roman Church has become a den of pedophiles that have exchanged the truth for a lie,you've managed not only to crown a man god on Earth,but you bow before graven idols that are detestable to God and have turned Jesus,who is very GOD, into an impotent mamma's boy.Come out of this whore!
Don't worry about it guys..... like the creation story and the tower of babylon story the whole bible is now only a metaphor.........
elreal000 1 month ago
No one knows who wrote any of this nonsense. It's mind blowing to me that people care about any of it.
WestonPDX100 1 month ago
I dont see how it was misleading about the NT, those books came centuries after and were contradictions to what had already been established....so they are clearly false so i dont see how they could this video could be misleading.
Dobogio 3 months ago
This video only vaguely references the first council of Nicea in 325AD, and not the second in 787AD
How did Jesus come to be known as a God, and not a prophet? Why is the bible not an encyclopedia of all written works? What human beings have the right to say what the prophets wrote that I can not see?
supercat821 4 months ago
The Bible isn't complete with the Apocrypha. The Book of Judas is significant and should be in the Bible.
IndiaSergeant 5 months ago
@IndiaSergeant No it shouldn't cause it says quite the opposite what the whole New Testament says. It is written, that if someone doesn't claim Jesus to be risen in the flesh body, than he's not from God. The book of Judas Iskariot says that Jesus was a spirit who wanted to leave his body, which was a prison for him. That is totaly Gnostic teaching, and NOT Christian.
NocturnP 5 months ago
@NocturnP I appreciate that and I'll research more and see what I can learn about it :)
IndiaSergeant 5 months ago
@NocturnP
Sounds like Judus was describing a mental disorder prehaps Schizophrenia definitly a bit bi-polar.
VideoAudioDisco09 3 weeks ago
Where in the world did you obtain your information??? This is SO false...you need to study your Church history. I guess anyone can create "junk" and this is junk. Of course, this is a product of the Religious Right...lie, misinform, all for the Illuminati and the Dark Cabal. Keep people in the dark and asleep....right???
supremebuddy 5 months ago
Arius taught that the savoir was a creation. The council made it real. Constantain order all records saying otherwise destroyed and that anyone caught teaching against the ruling would be serverely punished! Arius was suspeciously killed shortly after the ruling. You should never be lead by faith, you should always use right knowledge of facts, which is what the coptic church taught until rome interfered.
egbcrushers 5 months ago
The Council of Nicaea issue came about long before Dan Brown was a twinkle in his Great Great Grandmother's eyes.
You're arguing the wrong argument .
Many Books of the Bible were determined to be "Uninspired" then, regardless of what they had "Planned" that year at the council.
Sven3xs 7 months ago
@Sven3xs Then study the whole of the Apocrifia. You will find out, that those uninspired writtings are opposing eachother and 66 books of the Bible. They are just made up by gnostics and false prophets.
NocturnP 5 months ago
@NocturnP- I thank you for your concern sir, truly...however I have studied them, in depth, because I did believe what you said, however when I did study them, truly, honestly ..I found Exactly the opposite.
I challenge you, for your own edification, re-read them again with an open mind, and compare them in their original text, to the other books, and you will find FAR more than just some books taken out..you will find relabeled books, texts removed, changed-What they did is Scary & Deceptive.
Sven3xs 5 months ago
Wow Chris I was wondering where you stood on this, and I'm glad to see your with those who believe in the validity of the 'majority texts'. At least this is how I see this.
Amarx00 7 months ago
This is ok except you seem to deny the existence of the Church, which sounds really odd. What do you mean there was no hierarchy? All of the churches were apostolic churches. Bishops were ordained in the line of the apostles. You couldn't just declare yourself a "bishop" like some do today. The hierarchy existed from the beginning when Jesus appointed the Twelve. They appointed others. There were other councils. One is mentioned in ACTS (Jerusalem, with the Apostles).
MillionthUsername 9 months ago
@TonDogWayner Luke was written by Luke, a disciple of Paul. Mark was written by Mark, a disciple of Peter. Matthew and John were disciples of Jesus. The synoptic writers (Matthew, Mark, Luke) had access to similar material in the tradition. The 100 AD is very late for the gospels (the dates are guesses). Most scholars put the synoptics before 70 AD since the destruction of the temple is not mentioned. John is believed to have written last when he was an old man (90-100 AD). Paul did meet Jesus.
MillionthUsername 9 months ago
There's no conflict between faith in Jesus and Zeitgeist. Jesus can be seen from multiple perspectives, as being the Sun (knowledge, light) and the resurrection of the sun as a natural phenomenon is also reflected in the life of Jesus. All interpretations are an expression of human consciousness. Even if he wasn't a real person, the imprint of such divinity and value are embedded in the human psyche, which make the coherence of his teachings valid and truly real, whatever perspective of choice.
MayaWix 11 months ago
@MayaWix Zeitgeist was made up. It's a LIE. Jesus IS a real person, he lived, died and risen from the dead. He is YAHWEH incarnate. The Reflection of God's glory.
NocturnP 5 months ago
@NocturnP
Based on what evidence. Note: I can show you the real house where Mickey mouse lives.
VideoAudioDisco09 3 weeks ago
my second question is did you forget put into account that there is an existence of language barrier and gap, between Aramaic and Latin?. my point is how can you trust a council of men who are not Jews. when in fact we all know that Constantine had a political agenda as to why he created the council of Nicaea. basing on that premise alone that couldn't be a substantial weight to trust the judgment of men.
"this is an academic inquiry".
if you have time enlighten me.
1518979141917613114m 11 months ago
An interesting theory, i would like to know how you came into that conclusion?
when a lot of sources point out differently.
- i would like to point out that i have never read the da vinci codes because it is not a factual evidence.(its fictional) based on talented ramblings of an artist.
my question is you solely put your trust on the council who consist of men that has questionable acts and capabilities?
1518979141917613114m 11 months ago
If the bible is a "Contemporaneous Eyewitness account" as you say then how did Judas die?
check all the books before answering
drukenhard 1 year ago
@drukenhard Judas hung himself due to his guilt, which is spoken about in the gospel. But during this it is said that the tree didn't wish to hang his body and the limb snapped, the spirit of the tree would hold his body no longer. His body fell upon the ground and his stomach split open for his insides to spill out everywhere, as said later in the New Testament. It amazes me how ignorant people see the death of Judas as 1 event and 2 lies, rather than what it is. How he died, and afterwards.
78Divini 8 months ago
This video was fine on the Nicaea part, but is very misleading on the books of the NT.
4312ton 1 year ago
I heard enough after he said that Paul quotes Luke...
4312ton 1 year ago
Now Eusebius was himself nearly excommunicated for heresy, and consequently you can see how circular the argumentation is if you take a bundle of sycophants as evidence for unanimous agreement between sovereign autonomous mature judges on the matter, especially if their acceptance - which they desparately wanted to preserve - todepended altogether on conformity.
Thus as I said elsewhere: you have enough good arguments, just drop the bad ones.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
As much as I respect the rest of this video, your case against the Gospel of Thomas is invalid. It is obvious that does Not constitute any attempt at the same genre as the four canonical gospels. This is so trivial that it would convince any iontelligent listener that you are merely arguing rhetorically, based on ore-established belief.
The GoTh is VERY interesting and a category of its own as over against the other apocryphal literature due to its structural similarity to the source Q which..
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
["Ore-establshed above should be "pre-..." of course]
...is also a pure logia-source (as is the GoTh) and definitely predates the canonical Gospels since they derived many logia from it. On top of that, GoTH has many of the canonical sayings in common with Q, as well as others the latter does not contain. Hence it is NOT a copy or oriented at the canonicals AND reliable regarding the common ground. Hence the rest of the sayings cannot be assumed to be less reliable than the rest of the gospels.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
..Finally, there isn't even any reason to consider the GoTh "gnostic" (a collective term for all sorts of views) except that it was found among gnostic Nag Hammadi texts - talk about a bad reason !
The Gospel of Thomas is simply playing in a league of its own and must be assumed to be no more or less reliable than Q.
The opinion of people like Eusebius must be viewed in the light that Eusebius was mostly a parrot of Origen whose views were themselves condemned by the church.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
I thought they dropped the book of Enoch at the council of Nicea. Can anyone help me there? Your input would be appreciated
caseyangus 1 year ago
First of all you don't know what Christ looks like and second of all God says bow down to NO IMAGES OR MAKE ANY IMAGES of things in Heaven or on Earth or under the earth,so that includes statues of Christ,Mary,the POPE, Eucharist and saints.RCC members don't believe God though,they follow only the GODLESS POPE who forbids to marry and teaches abstaining from foods that God has blessed.Also there was no ROMAN Catholic Church when Paul was alive.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Praying to the dead that is practiced by the Pagans is not the samething practiced by RC Christians b/c we ASK people already in Heaven to pray for us. In the Book of Revelation we read of Saints taking the prayers of the people on Earth to Heaven before the Lamb. Which man made SECT do u affiliate yourself with since u Protestants are not 1 church like the Church Jesus started in the Bible and is alive today until the end of time: the RCC.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 God explicitly says DON'T TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEAD,THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT THE DEAD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THINGS ON EARTH.R. Catholicism is nothing but paganism mixed in with elements of Christianity,this was done by design to coax the pagans to come to Christ and still have parts of their religion to hold on to.The RCC is a whore who has prostituted herself with many gods.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@eljunior98 What are you going to do when you say Lord ,Lord,haven't I done many good works in your name? And He says depart from me ,you worker of iniquity into everlasting fire! This is the same thing that most POPES WILL HEAR! The Popes have replaced Christ in Roman Catholicism,and Jesus is a Jealous God who does not share His Godhood with any flawed human.Popes are just the new Caesars who call themselves gods.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I look forward towards the last day b/c I practice what Christ taught when he was on Earth Faith&Good Works. Popes have NEVER claimed to be God. This is proof that u are out of theological arguments so u resort now to name calling and Jehovah Wittness realistic fiction! Popes are the successors of St. Peter who was the leader of the Apostles on Earth when Christ ascended into Heaven.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 Peter was NEVER the POPE,THIS IS WHERE YOU FOUNDATION IS FLAWED AND WHERE THE RCC GAINED POWER BY CALLING HIMSELF THE VICAR OF CHRIST.You RCs are some of the most gullible people that I've ever come across,read some real Church history and find out the truth.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
Jesus condemned the traditions of men that taught contrary to scripture,yet the RCC puts much more faith in MAN'S TRADITIONS and scoff at the Bible.Simon Magus taught idol worship so does the RCC.Simon "PETER" Magus taught praying to the dead,so does the RCC.ALL false religions teach a works based salvation,so does the RCC.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Idol worship is the worshiping of FALSE gods like the Egyptians worshiped the Pharoahs that they made pyramids for, the Romans worshipped the Caesar as one of many gods. We in the RCC only have images of Christ(God&Man)b/c God doesnt have a physical image but Christ does. We worship who the image represents like the Jews worshiped God and not the Bronze Serpent they kneeled in front of in the book of Numbers. Get it straight and stop pulling scripture out of its context.
eljunior98 1 year ago
Don't worry about it guys..... like the creation story and the tower of babylon story the whole bible is now only a metaphor.........
elreal000 1 month ago
No one knows who wrote any of this nonsense. It's mind blowing to me that people care about any of it.
WestonPDX100 1 month ago
I dont see how it was misleading about the NT, those books came centuries after and were contradictions to what had already been established....so they are clearly false so i dont see how they could this video could be misleading.
Dobogio 3 months ago
This video only vaguely references the first council of Nicea in 325AD, and not the second in 787AD
How did Jesus come to be known as a God, and not a prophet? Why is the bible not an encyclopedia of all written works? What human beings have the right to say what the prophets wrote that I can not see?
supercat821 4 months ago
The Bible isn't complete with the Apocrypha. The Book of Judas is significant and should be in the Bible.
IndiaSergeant 5 months ago
@IndiaSergeant No it shouldn't cause it says quite the opposite what the whole New Testament says. It is written, that if someone doesn't claim Jesus to be risen in the flesh body, than he's not from God. The book of Judas Iskariot says that Jesus was a spirit who wanted to leave his body, which was a prison for him. That is totaly Gnostic teaching, and NOT Christian.
NocturnP 5 months ago
@NocturnP I appreciate that and I'll research more and see what I can learn about it :)
IndiaSergeant 5 months ago
@NocturnP
Sounds like Judus was describing a mental disorder prehaps Schizophrenia definitly a bit bi-polar.
VideoAudioDisco09 3 weeks ago
Where in the world did you obtain your information??? This is SO false...you need to study your Church history. I guess anyone can create "junk" and this is junk. Of course, this is a product of the Religious Right...lie, misinform, all for the Illuminati and the Dark Cabal. Keep people in the dark and asleep....right???
supremebuddy 5 months ago
Arius taught that the savoir was a creation. The council made it real. Constantain order all records saying otherwise destroyed and that anyone caught teaching against the ruling would be serverely punished! Arius was suspeciously killed shortly after the ruling. You should never be lead by faith, you should always use right knowledge of facts, which is what the coptic church taught until rome interfered.
egbcrushers 5 months ago
The Council of Nicaea issue came about long before Dan Brown was a twinkle in his Great Great Grandmother's eyes.
You're arguing the wrong argument .
Many Books of the Bible were determined to be "Uninspired" then, regardless of what they had "Planned" that year at the council.
Sven3xs 7 months ago
@Sven3xs Then study the whole of the Apocrifia. You will find out, that those uninspired writtings are opposing eachother and 66 books of the Bible. They are just made up by gnostics and false prophets.
NocturnP 5 months ago
@NocturnP- I thank you for your concern sir, truly...however I have studied them, in depth, because I did believe what you said, however when I did study them, truly, honestly ..I found Exactly the opposite.
I challenge you, for your own edification, re-read them again with an open mind, and compare them in their original text, to the other books, and you will find FAR more than just some books taken out..you will find relabeled books, texts removed, changed-What they did is Scary & Deceptive.
Sven3xs 5 months ago
Wow Chris I was wondering where you stood on this, and I'm glad to see your with those who believe in the validity of the 'majority texts'. At least this is how I see this.
Amarx00 7 months ago
This is ok except you seem to deny the existence of the Church, which sounds really odd. What do you mean there was no hierarchy? All of the churches were apostolic churches. Bishops were ordained in the line of the apostles. You couldn't just declare yourself a "bishop" like some do today. The hierarchy existed from the beginning when Jesus appointed the Twelve. They appointed others. There were other councils. One is mentioned in ACTS (Jerusalem, with the Apostles).
MillionthUsername 9 months ago
@TonDogWayner Luke was written by Luke, a disciple of Paul. Mark was written by Mark, a disciple of Peter. Matthew and John were disciples of Jesus. The synoptic writers (Matthew, Mark, Luke) had access to similar material in the tradition. The 100 AD is very late for the gospels (the dates are guesses). Most scholars put the synoptics before 70 AD since the destruction of the temple is not mentioned. John is believed to have written last when he was an old man (90-100 AD). Paul did meet Jesus.
MillionthUsername 9 months ago
There's no conflict between faith in Jesus and Zeitgeist. Jesus can be seen from multiple perspectives, as being the Sun (knowledge, light) and the resurrection of the sun as a natural phenomenon is also reflected in the life of Jesus. All interpretations are an expression of human consciousness. Even if he wasn't a real person, the imprint of such divinity and value are embedded in the human psyche, which make the coherence of his teachings valid and truly real, whatever perspective of choice.
MayaWix 11 months ago
@MayaWix Zeitgeist was made up. It's a LIE. Jesus IS a real person, he lived, died and risen from the dead. He is YAHWEH incarnate. The Reflection of God's glory.
NocturnP 5 months ago
@NocturnP
Based on what evidence. Note: I can show you the real house where Mickey mouse lives.
VideoAudioDisco09 3 weeks ago
my second question is did you forget put into account that there is an existence of language barrier and gap, between Aramaic and Latin?. my point is how can you trust a council of men who are not Jews. when in fact we all know that Constantine had a political agenda as to why he created the council of Nicaea. basing on that premise alone that couldn't be a substantial weight to trust the judgment of men.
"this is an academic inquiry".
if you have time enlighten me.
1518979141917613114m 11 months ago
An interesting theory, i would like to know how you came into that conclusion?
when a lot of sources point out differently.
- i would like to point out that i have never read the da vinci codes because it is not a factual evidence.(its fictional) based on talented ramblings of an artist.
my question is you solely put your trust on the council who consist of men that has questionable acts and capabilities?
1518979141917613114m 11 months ago
If the bible is a "Contemporaneous Eyewitness account" as you say then how did Judas die?
check all the books before answering
drukenhard 1 year ago
@drukenhard Judas hung himself due to his guilt, which is spoken about in the gospel. But during this it is said that the tree didn't wish to hang his body and the limb snapped, the spirit of the tree would hold his body no longer. His body fell upon the ground and his stomach split open for his insides to spill out everywhere, as said later in the New Testament. It amazes me how ignorant people see the death of Judas as 1 event and 2 lies, rather than what it is. How he died, and afterwards.
78Divini 8 months ago
This video was fine on the Nicaea part, but is very misleading on the books of the NT.
4312ton 1 year ago
I heard enough after he said that Paul quotes Luke...
4312ton 1 year ago
Now Eusebius was himself nearly excommunicated for heresy, and consequently you can see how circular the argumentation is if you take a bundle of sycophants as evidence for unanimous agreement between sovereign autonomous mature judges on the matter, especially if their acceptance - which they desparately wanted to preserve - todepended altogether on conformity.
Thus as I said elsewhere: you have enough good arguments, just drop the bad ones.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
As much as I respect the rest of this video, your case against the Gospel of Thomas is invalid. It is obvious that does Not constitute any attempt at the same genre as the four canonical gospels. This is so trivial that it would convince any iontelligent listener that you are merely arguing rhetorically, based on ore-established belief.
The GoTh is VERY interesting and a category of its own as over against the other apocryphal literature due to its structural similarity to the source Q which..
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
["Ore-establshed above should be "pre-..." of course]
...is also a pure logia-source (as is the GoTh) and definitely predates the canonical Gospels since they derived many logia from it. On top of that, GoTH has many of the canonical sayings in common with Q, as well as others the latter does not contain. Hence it is NOT a copy or oriented at the canonicals AND reliable regarding the common ground. Hence the rest of the sayings cannot be assumed to be less reliable than the rest of the gospels.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
..Finally, there isn't even any reason to consider the GoTh "gnostic" (a collective term for all sorts of views) except that it was found among gnostic Nag Hammadi texts - talk about a bad reason !
The Gospel of Thomas is simply playing in a league of its own and must be assumed to be no more or less reliable than Q.
The opinion of people like Eusebius must be viewed in the light that Eusebius was mostly a parrot of Origen whose views were themselves condemned by the church.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
I thought they dropped the book of Enoch at the council of Nicea. Can anyone help me there? Your input would be appreciated
caseyangus 1 year ago
First of all you don't know what Christ looks like and second of all God says bow down to NO IMAGES OR MAKE ANY IMAGES of things in Heaven or on Earth or under the earth,so that includes statues of Christ,Mary,the POPE, Eucharist and saints.RCC members don't believe God though,they follow only the GODLESS POPE who forbids to marry and teaches abstaining from foods that God has blessed.Also there was no ROMAN Catholic Church when Paul was alive.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Praying to the dead that is practiced by the Pagans is not the samething practiced by RC Christians b/c we ASK people already in Heaven to pray for us. In the Book of Revelation we read of Saints taking the prayers of the people on Earth to Heaven before the Lamb. Which man made SECT do u affiliate yourself with since u Protestants are not 1 church like the Church Jesus started in the Bible and is alive today until the end of time: the RCC.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 God explicitly says DON'T TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEAD,THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT THE DEAD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THINGS ON EARTH.R. Catholicism is nothing but paganism mixed in with elements of Christianity,this was done by design to coax the pagans to come to Christ and still have parts of their religion to hold on to.The RCC is a whore who has prostituted herself with many gods.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@eljunior98 What are you going to do when you say Lord ,Lord,haven't I done many good works in your name? And He says depart from me ,you worker of iniquity into everlasting fire! This is the same thing that most POPES WILL HEAR! The Popes have replaced Christ in Roman Catholicism,and Jesus is a Jealous God who does not share His Godhood with any flawed human.Popes are just the new Caesars who call themselves gods.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I look forward towards the last day b/c I practice what Christ taught when he was on Earth Faith&Good Works. Popes have NEVER claimed to be God. This is proof that u are out of theological arguments so u resort now to name calling and Jehovah Wittness realistic fiction! Popes are the successors of St. Peter who was the leader of the Apostles on Earth when Christ ascended into Heaven.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 Peter was NEVER the POPE,THIS IS WHERE YOU FOUNDATION IS FLAWED AND WHERE THE RCC GAINED POWER BY CALLING HIMSELF THE VICAR OF CHRIST.You RCs are some of the most gullible people that I've ever come across,read some real Church history and find out the truth.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
Jesus condemned the traditions of men that taught contrary to scripture,yet the RCC puts much more faith in MAN'S TRADITIONS and scoff at the Bible.Simon Magus taught idol worship so does the RCC.Simon "PETER" Magus taught praying to the dead,so does the RCC.ALL false religions teach a works based salvation,so does the RCC.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Idol worship is the worshiping of FALSE gods like the Egyptians worshiped the Pharoahs that they made pyramids for, the Romans worshipped the Caesar as one of many gods. We in the RCC only have images of Christ(God&Man)b/c God doesnt have a physical image but Christ does. We worship who the image represents like the Jews worshiped God and not the Bronze Serpent they kneeled in front of in the book of Numbers. Get it straight and stop pulling scripture out of its context.
eljunior98 1 year ago
???
mrgoodvibrations 1 year ago
This is insanity.
bigpimp42096 1 year ago
It's refreshing to hear someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
narrowistheway1 1 year ago 12
the priesthood of believers is completely different than some phony office of "priest"
callofchrist 1 year ago
Chis' vid seems to be advocating an extremely late date for the emergence of the Gospel of Thomas. It seems most scholars date the text from AD 60 to AD 140. If you (Chris) is going to give such late dates, you should explain why their dates are faulty.
XmanosX 2 years ago
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je24t2 1 year ago
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The Gospel of Thomas is usually dated from around 140-200 A.D. This book describes itself in the opening statement as the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke. John 18:20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
je24t2 1 year ago
I disagree with the statement that the hierarchy didn't exist in the beginning of the church. That is untrue. From the church's inception threre existed the three grades of bishop, priest and deacon. Also an honest reading of sacred scripture clearly indicated that Jesus appointed St. Peter as the chief shepherd (Pope) when he gave him the keys to the kingdom.
rowsofvoices9 2 years ago
there were overseers / bishops, elders and deacons.
Where are "priests" mentioned by Paul in 1 Timothy or in his epistle to Titus? Nowhere! The bishop of Rome was just a bishop like any other until power shifts over 500 years later brought the bishop of Rome to more pre-eminence. The keys of the kingdom don't have anything to do with Popes, but rather discipline within the Church. So, the statements given in this video are true - disagree all you want. RCC rewriting of history notwithstanding!
callofchrist 1 year ago
The biblical canon was established at the Council of Rome in 382 A.D.
rowsofvoices9 2 years ago
dude you are a liar and reject the truth. Paul is not an apostle of Jesus christ.
animefan2k9 2 years ago
Excellent video!! Good job! God Bless you for producing this.
JESUS IS LORD
alpidistra 2 years ago
God is Lord. You are God.
MaBu888 2 years ago
But not in the Orion/Alpha Draconian way of defining and dogmatizing things.
MaBu888 2 years ago
Yes we know now the Council of Nicea was a myth thanks to Chris White..he was there you know!!! He knows the Bible to be GODS creation! Only probelm is that GOD is a product of the human mind..created by it. So we can all spend our lives debating, killing and condemning each other..IN THE NAME OF GOD!!!
doctorhackensteinmd 2 years ago
Anyone who thinks the bible as small as it is; is the complete word of god has mental issues. Jesus's disciples even quoted the book of enoch, Jude 14-15;which mysteriously dissappeared from the canon in the 4th century. Yes most of you are worried about swine flu vaccines and fema camps; but they are nothing compared to the psi wars the gov't has planned for you. Your mandatory digital tv will be weaponized after the abyss of revelation is opened to control the demons that will attack you.
thementalpatient2005 2 years ago
@thementalpatient2005
STRAW-MAN!
1. Jude was not one of "Jesus's disciples." Check Jude 1, sir.
2. The REASON the book of Enoch was not included in the OLD TESTAMENT was because Jesus never referenced the book it was in. The entire old testament is comprised of all the writings in the FIVE books Jesus ever referenced.
DoKtaTre 2 years ago
@DoKtaTre Why does it matter if Yeshua referenced it or not? The old testament speaks of many books stripped from the original canon such as the book of Jasher(2Samuel 1:18) and the acts of solomon(1 Kings 11:41). King Pedophile(the POPE) and the rest of the vatican satan worshipers obviously corrupted the American Bible.
thementalpatient2005 2 years ago
@thementalpatient2005
You know what would be really cool? If you would stop spouting completely un-educated prejudicial conjectures, my friend. It matters if "[Jesus] referenced it or not" because He is what the entire book's about (in case you hadn't figured it out already).
Secondly, the pope had NOTHING to do with the writing of the King James Bible -- or any bible, for that matter (with the obvious exception of the CATHOLIC BIBLE) -- or the cannon.
DoKtaTre 2 years ago
My conclusions come from studying and being informed by spiritual beings. I believe the Vatican influenced and corrupted the american bible and I believe King James was a mason. I believe the only uncorrupted bible is the ethiopian texts which were hidden during the crusades. I have an original hebrew time relative bible that doesn't contradict itself, as both the american bible, Koran, and catholic one does.
thementalpatient2005 2 years ago
@thementalpatient2005
"spiritual beings," eh? ;) I take it you haven't watched any of Chris's videos on the 2012 myth? God won't speak to anyone via "spiritual beings." There are instances in the bible of Angels appearing IN DREAMS -- but only to those who've tried to remain "righteous." I pray for you, my neighbor, and hope that you will find what you're looking for shortly.
DoKtaTre 2 years ago
I never said angels because I really don't know what they are. I just know they have a very powerful presence. It is possible they could be deceiving demons. I never watched his videos on 2012 because the beings informed me about the strong delusion that's coming; so i never believed anything I heard about 2012. I have watched a lot of his other videos and enjoy them; but I just know the bible have been tampered with and I have a time relative hebrew bible that has books our bible doesn't
thementalpatient2005 2 years ago
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the bible was WRITTEN by men! not GOD.
the old testament is only small a fraction of the books involved in the early bible. the old testament was an adoption by the church of popular stories used in religions BEFORE it's existence.
God, if you believe in God, wouldn't be God at all if it showed itself to man outright or told some men to write down it's ideas.
religion is simply a device used by the power-elite to control/ enslave the minds of the people they govern. a product of the state.
satinhooks 2 years ago
You are a product of a world wide conspiracy of disinformation that has tried for centuries to do away with the Creator of Heaven and Earth,THE GOD OF THE BIBLE.Only stupid people believe that nothing created everything.Even as unintelligent as you are surely something in the back of your mind whispers that you are being duped,don't be a fool,repent and believe.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
i didn't say that.
i believe in a creator.
i will never believe that MAN wrote something down that the creator said to him.
God doesn't speak to man (with words), so how can man hear God speak to document it's pure ideas?
why would the creator give man the will to do right or wrong and then trust a whole bunch of them with keeping it as originally intended?
that's not believing in God, that's believing in the institution of religion.
sorry, didn't mean to b so rude in the earlier post
satinhooks 2 years ago
The Roman Catholic Church is the worlds largest cult so I can see why you feel the way you do.You have been indoctrinated into believing Peter was the first pope,but if you would study a little,you will find that it was Simon Magus,from the book of Acts,that lead the Roman Church with it's Babylonian Mystery religion mixed in.Come out of the whore of Babylon,stop bowing before idols , praying to the dead and cry out for God to save you from Satan's playground.God Bless
CBALLEN 2 years ago 2
wrong again. i don't believe any of that. stop assuming i believe in such silly things.
Satan? Set (setan), the Egyptian god that fights Ra daily.
when Set wins there's a sun'set' and in the next day when the sun rises, Ra (the sun) triumphs.
Btw, just so we're clear i don't believe there is a sun god & or a god to fight it.
I don't bow before idols.
what planet R u on?
did u even read the private message i spent all that time writing u?
I'm not even catholic.
u dumb.
satinhooks 2 years ago
You claim that you believe in a Creator,but not the One of the Bible.Then where do you get your information from?
CBALLEN 2 years ago
The most divine source for information is the Akashic records in the 5th dimensional perspective of reality automatically updated after any and all acts.
MaBu888 2 years ago
@CBALLEN Actually if u study history correctly u will read and learn that Peter became the Bishop of Rome (Pope) around the yr when he was martyred in what is today St. Peter's Square. Also for a good while in the RCC there were only 5 Dioceses: Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople, and Rome. Rome was where Peter and Paul wanted to go to spread the faith more throughout the world(at that time all the Roman Empire), and here is where they were martyred. Get the facts straight herectic.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 Maybe you should study something more than RCC indoctrination material.SHOW ME IN THE BiBLE where Peter was in Rome.Also Peter is buried in Jerusalem.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@eljunior98 Maybe you should study something more than RCC indoctrination material.SHOW ME IN THE BiBLE where Peter was in Rome.Also Peter is buried in Jerusalem.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN"Just b/c something is not in the Bible doesn't mean that it didn't happen." Jesus's Apostles with the exception of Judas Isacariot who hung himself were not killed until after the period of their letters in da NT. The Bible doesnt say doesnt say Peter was da leader of Rome b/c he was da leader of da whole Church given to him by Christ Matt 16:18-19 but when he got to Rome he did. From what I can remember from what I have read Peter was martyred in Rome and buried in Rome.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 1Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Timothy 4:2 - Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Timothy 4:3 - Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@eljunior98 God revealed to Paul what the RCC was all about so Paul could head it off at the pass,by calling it what it is,a doctrine of DEVILS.Still RCC members don't care what God says,they'd rather believe the ''PAPA''
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN No St.Paul never taught that the RCC was a doctrine of Devils. Ur just taking out of context the meaning of something u read in the NT. Point out what u say if ur not a AFRAID to look stupid.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 The reality is,Peter is buried in Jerusalem and the RCC knows it,they are just content in letting ignorant RCC members believe their lie.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN What evidence do u have to prove that u liar. Peter is buried in Rome. Stop talking BS and show me data and prove what u know. Herectic!
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 Why would you go against the Bible and believe a man instead?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Prove that we believe a Man instead of the BIble. Why would u teach something the Bible does NOT teach: The Bible contains ALL the truth of Christ. When it reality its the Bible with Oral Tradition that contains ALL the truth of Christ. It was the Oral Tradition that was used to validate which texts would make up the NT. Provide DATA u liar before u make false claims!!! Herectic!
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 @eljunior98 The Bible teaches that Baptism is for those who acknowledge Christ as Lord,if Jesus has not saved you before getting baptized,you're just getting wet.The serpent that God commanded to be looked at for snake bites,was not worshiped or bowed down to.The church is the body of Christ,only those Jesus has saved are the Church.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
Also the RCC calls Mary QUEEN OF HEAVEN,which is blasphemy! Look in the Bible and see if you can find any reference to Mary being the queen of heaven,you won't,that's another contrived part of your worthless religion.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@eljunior98 Just b/c something is not in the Bible doesn't mean that it didn't happen."
How about things that are in the Bible that the RCC teaches contrary to?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Nothing that the RCC teaches is contrary to the Bible. U Protestants do a good job doing things that contradict the Bible. Where in the Bible is their a age requirement for baptism, where in the NT did Christ teach to pay weekly tithes, where in the Bible does it teach that a man can start his own church, where in the Bible does it say that Jesus taught Scripture Alone? Who follows the teaching of men now!
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Can u back this up u liar or are making this up?
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 What do you want me to back up?Anyone who claims to be a VICAR of Christ "INSTEAD OF CHRIST","Christ on earth" is claiming something that he cannot back up,and the POPE EVEN RECEIVES WORSHIP FROM DELUDED RC,HE is a false God!
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN What r u stupid! No one worships the Pope. If u see someone salute him through kneeling in front of him to kiss his Papal ring is demonstrating an ancient form of European Chivalry: Read a history book!! Vicar of Christ comes from Peter whom Christ stated He was a rock and upon him(this Rock) He would build his(Christ) Church Matt 16:18-19. What is a false God u Protestants starting ur own store front churches.
eljunior98 1 year ago
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@CBALLEN I look forward towards the last day b/c I practice what Christ taught when he was on Earth Faith&Good Works. Popes have NEVER claimed to be God. This is proof that u are out of theological arguments so u resort now to name calling and Jehovah Wittness realistic fiction! Popes are the successors of St. Peter who was the leader of the Apostles on Earth when Christ ascended into Heaven.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN What is a false God are u Protestants starting ur own store front churches when the NT only speaks of 1 Church that is 2000yrs old dating back to the time of Christ which today speaking historically, logically, and theologically is the RCC. Start doing studying history, reading valid primary sources, and stop repeating what someone else SAID and reading Realistic Fiction novels.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I really wish u would back up what u say with evidence. Its sounds like ur just making all of this stuff up and that ur not used to a RC Christian that knows his faith so well that he is proving in ur own eyes that ur SECT is a just another Protestant heresy of RCC which can be seen in Acts with the Judaizers and 2 Corinthians with the ppl of the Church that started to be against St.Paul. Which one of the 35,000 sects do u belong to?
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Peter was the first Pope ur just to small minded to realize that Pope was just another name that the Church gave the Bishop of Rome and the Head of the Bishops from the Greek word for Father b/c he was a "father of the faith" similar to St. Paul and like all priests and Bishops are called to be. This is similar to sacred scripture that the RCC gave it the Acronym Bible meaning books in Greek.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I wish u would point the primary sources where ur getting this ridiculous info that is 100% FALSE and not of context.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Peter was the first Pope ur just to small minded to realize that Pope was just another name that the Church gave the Bishop of Rome and the Head of the Bishops from the Greek word for Father b/c he was a "father of the faith" similar to St. Paul and like all priests and Bishops are called to be. This is similar to sacred scripture that the RCC gave it the Acronym Bible meaning books in Greek.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Since the RCC is so much of a cult study the Councils of Carthage and Hippo where the Bishops were the ones who put the NT canons together in Carthage we got 22 and in Hippo we got the 27 that we have today.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 If you'd read your Bible you will find that PAUL was the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES,AND PETER TO THE JEWS.So stop taking your Catholic tradition as fact and trust the Bible.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN If u read the Bible Jesus was the first to preach to both Jews and Gentiles(ALL Non-Jews). Peter was an apostle to the Jews first because that is who surrounded them at the time. Also Paul preached to the Gentiles after having been approved by the Apostles to be an Apostle. I still dont know what ur argument is!
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 The Popes are the new Caesars,they call themselves VICARS OF CHRIST,OR INSTEAD OF CHRIST!
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN The Popes are the Bishops of the Diocese of Rome where Peter and Paul are buried. Their hasnt been a Ceasar since the FALL of the Roman Empire.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 "thou shall not make any graven images...", Exodus 20:3-5 "Thou shall have no other gods before thee." do not make any graven images of them, or bow down and worship them for I am a jealous God. We are not to make images of any false gods and worship them, that is what they were doing in Exodus, worshipping all sorts of false gods that they made graven images of.The R.C Bible removed the 2 nd commandment and split the 9th into 2 parts,because those statues brought in cash for RC
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Read Numbers 21 when God orders Moses to make the bronze serpent and in Exodus when God orders the making of Cherubins on both sides of the Ark of the Covenant. Da Bible condemns worshipping images NOT making and/or having them for as religious reminders of important ppl like Christ(God Incarnate in Human Flesh). 1st Commandment wasnt changed by da RCC da other words included in ur PROTEST are descriptions to da Jews of how to avoid it b/c they were worshipping images like da Egyptians.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 The Roman Church has become a den of pedophiles that have exchanged the truth for a lie,you've managed not only to crown a man god on Earth,but you bow before graven idols that are detestable to God and have turned Jesus,who is very GOD, into an impotent mamma's boy.Come out of this whore!
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Idols are FALSE Gods and this is why the Pharoah was an Idol of the Egyptians, the Ceasar an Idol of the Romans, even though they were NOT images. The Bronze Serpent God ordered Moses to make wasnt an Idol b/c the Jews worshiped God and NOT that image proving the Bible condemns worshipping images and NOT having images as da RCC does.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN WOW!! Very interesting.
caseyangus 1 year ago
@CBALLEN U need to read history a little better and study the OT of the Bible a little bit better also.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN"Just b/c something is not in the Bible doesn't mean that it didn't happen." Jesus's Apostles with the exception of Judas Isacariot who hung himself were not killed until after the period of their letters in da NT. The Bible doesnt say doesnt say Peter was da leader of Rome b/c he was da leader of da whole Church given to him by Christ Matt 16:18-19 but when he got to Rome he did. From what I can remember from what I have read Peter was martyred in Rome and buried in Rome.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 1Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Timothy 4:2 - Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Timothy 4:3 - Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@eljunior98 God revealed to Paul what the RCC was all about so Paul could head it off at the pass,by calling it what it is,a doctrine of DEVILS.Still RCC members don't care what God says,they'd rather believe the ''PAPA''
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN No St.Paul never taught that the RCC was a doctrine of Devils. Ur just taking out of context the meaning of something u read in the NT. Point out what u say if ur not a AFRAID to look stupid.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 The reality is,Peter is buried in Jerusalem and the RCC knows it,they are just content in letting ignorant RCC members believe their lie.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN What evidence do u have to prove that u liar. Peter is buried in Rome. Stop talking BS and show me data and prove what u know. Herectic!
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 Why would you go against the Bible and believe a man instead?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Prove that we believe a Man instead of the BIble. Why would u teach something the Bible does NOT teach: The Bible contains ALL the truth of Christ. When it reality its the Bible with Oral Tradition that contains ALL the truth of Christ. It was the Oral Tradition that was used to validate which texts would make up the NT. Provide DATA u liar before u make false claims!!! Herectic!
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 @eljunior98 The Bible teaches that Baptism is for those who acknowledge Christ as Lord,if Jesus has not saved you before getting baptized,you're just getting wet.The serpent that God commanded to be looked at for snake bites,was not worshiped or bowed down to.The church is the body of Christ,only those Jesus has saved are the Church.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
Also the RCC calls Mary QUEEN OF HEAVEN,which is blasphemy! Look in the Bible and see if you can find any reference to Mary being the queen of heaven,you won't,that's another contrived part of your worthless religion.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@eljunior98 Just b/c something is not in the Bible doesn't mean that it didn't happen."
How about things that are in the Bible that the RCC teaches contrary to?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Nothing that the RCC teaches is contrary to the Bible. U Protestants do a good job doing things that contradict the Bible. Where in the Bible is their a age requirement for baptism, where in the NT did Christ teach to pay weekly tithes, where in the Bible does it teach that a man can start his own church, where in the Bible does it say that Jesus taught Scripture Alone? Who follows the teaching of men now!
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Can u back this up u liar or are making this up?
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 What do you want me to back up?Anyone who claims to be a VICAR of Christ "INSTEAD OF CHRIST","Christ on earth" is claiming something that he cannot back up,and the POPE EVEN RECEIVES WORSHIP FROM DELUDED RC,HE is a false God!
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN What r u stupid! No one worships the Pope. If u see someone salute him through kneeling in front of him to kiss his Papal ring is demonstrating an ancient form of European Chivalry: Read a history book!! Vicar of Christ comes from Peter whom Christ stated He was a rock and upon him(this Rock) He would build his(Christ) Church Matt 16:18-19. What is a false God u Protestants starting ur own store front churches.
eljunior98 1 year ago
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@CBALLEN I look forward towards the last day b/c I practice what Christ taught when he was on Earth Faith&Good Works. Popes have NEVER claimed to be God. This is proof that u are out of theological arguments so u resort now to name calling and Jehovah Wittness realistic fiction! Popes are the successors of St. Peter who was the leader of the Apostles on Earth when Christ ascended into Heaven.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN What is a false God are u Protestants starting ur own store front churches when the NT only speaks of 1 Church that is 2000yrs old dating back to the time of Christ which today speaking historically, logically, and theologically is the RCC. Start doing studying history, reading valid primary sources, and stop repeating what someone else SAID and reading Realistic Fiction novels.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I really wish u would back up what u say with evidence. Its sounds like ur just making all of this stuff up and that ur not used to a RC Christian that knows his faith so well that he is proving in ur own eyes that ur SECT is a just another Protestant heresy of RCC which can be seen in Acts with the Judaizers and 2 Corinthians with the ppl of the Church that started to be against St.Paul. Which one of the 35,000 sects do u belong to?
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Peter was the first Pope ur just to small minded to realize that Pope was just another name that the Church gave the Bishop of Rome and the Head of the Bishops from the Greek word for Father b/c he was a "father of the faith" similar to St. Paul and like all priests and Bishops are called to be. This is similar to sacred scripture that the RCC gave it the Acronym Bible meaning books in Greek.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I wish u would point the primary sources where ur getting this ridiculous info that is 100% FALSE and not of context.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Peter was the first Pope ur just to small minded to realize that Pope was just another name that the Church gave the Bishop of Rome and the Head of the Bishops from the Greek word for Father b/c he was a "father of the faith" similar to St. Paul and like all priests and Bishops are called to be. This is similar to sacred scripture that the RCC gave it the Acronym Bible meaning books in Greek.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Since the RCC is so much of a cult study the Councils of Carthage and Hippo where the Bishops were the ones who put the NT canons together in Carthage we got 22 and in Hippo we got the 27 that we have today.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 If you'd read your Bible you will find that PAUL was the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES,AND PETER TO THE JEWS.So stop taking your Catholic tradition as fact and trust the Bible.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN If u read the Bible Jesus was the first to preach to both Jews and Gentiles(ALL Non-Jews). Peter was an apostle to the Jews first because that is who surrounded them at the time. Also Paul preached to the Gentiles after having been approved by the Apostles to be an Apostle. I still dont know what ur argument is!
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 The Popes are the new Caesars,they call themselves VICARS OF CHRIST,OR INSTEAD OF CHRIST!
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN The Popes are the Bishops of the Diocese of Rome where Peter and Paul are buried. Their hasnt been a Ceasar since the FALL of the Roman Empire.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 "thou shall not make any graven images...", Exodus 20:3-5 "Thou shall have no other gods before thee." do not make any graven images of them, or bow down and worship them for I am a jealous God. We are not to make images of any false gods and worship them, that is what they were doing in Exodus, worshipping all sorts of false gods that they made graven images of.The R.C Bible removed the 2 nd commandment and split the 9th into 2 parts,because those statues brought in cash for RC
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Read Numbers 21 when God orders Moses to make the bronze serpent and in Exodus when God orders the making of Cherubins on both sides of the Ark of the Covenant. Da Bible condemns worshipping images NOT making and/or having them for as religious reminders of important ppl like Christ(God Incarnate in Human Flesh). 1st Commandment wasnt changed by da RCC da other words included in ur PROTEST are descriptions to da Jews of how to avoid it b/c they were worshipping images like da Egyptians.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 The Roman Church has become a den of pedophiles that have exchanged the truth for a lie,you've managed not only to crown a man god on Earth,but you bow before graven idols that are detestable to God and have turned Jesus,who is very GOD, into an impotent mamma's boy.Come out of this whore!
CBALLEN 1 year ago