I dont see how it was misleading about the NT, those books came centuries after and were contradictions to what had already been established....so they are clearly false so i dont see how they could this video could be misleading.
This video only vaguely references the first council of Nicea in 325AD, and not the second in 787AD
How did Jesus come to be known as a God, and not a prophet? Why is the bible not an encyclopedia of all written works? What human beings have the right to say what the prophets wrote that I can not see?
@IndiaSergeant No it shouldn't cause it says quite the opposite what the whole New Testament says. It is written, that if someone doesn't claim Jesus to be risen in the flesh body, than he's not from God. The book of Judas Iskariot says that Jesus was a spirit who wanted to leave his body, which was a prison for him. That is totaly Gnostic teaching, and NOT Christian.
Where in the world did you obtain your information??? This is SO false...you need to study your Church history. I guess anyone can create "junk" and this is junk. Of course, this is a product of the Religious Right...lie, misinform, all for the Illuminati and the Dark Cabal. Keep people in the dark and asleep....right???
Arius taught that the savoir was a creation. The council made it real. Constantain order all records saying otherwise destroyed and that anyone caught teaching against the ruling would be serverely punished! Arius was suspeciously killed shortly after the ruling. You should never be lead by faith, you should always use right knowledge of facts, which is what the coptic church taught until rome interfered.
@Sven3xs Then study the whole of the Apocrifia. You will find out, that those uninspired writtings are opposing eachother and 66 books of the Bible. They are just made up by gnostics and false prophets.
@NocturnP- I thank you for your concern sir, truly...however I have studied them, in depth, because I did believe what you said, however when I did study them, truly, honestly ..I found Exactly the opposite.
I challenge you, for your own edification, re-read them again with an open mind, and compare them in their original text, to the other books, and you will find FAR more than just some books taken out..you will find relabeled books, texts removed, changed-What they did is Scary & Deceptive.
Wow Chris I was wondering where you stood on this, and I'm glad to see your with those who believe in the validity of the 'majority texts'. At least this is how I see this.
This is ok except you seem to deny the existence of the Church, which sounds really odd. What do you mean there was no hierarchy? All of the churches were apostolic churches. Bishops were ordained in the line of the apostles. You couldn't just declare yourself a "bishop" like some do today. The hierarchy existed from the beginning when Jesus appointed the Twelve. They appointed others. There were other councils. One is mentioned in ACTS (Jerusalem, with the Apostles).
@TonDogWayner Luke was written by Luke, a disciple of Paul. Mark was written by Mark, a disciple of Peter. Matthew and John were disciples of Jesus. The synoptic writers (Matthew, Mark, Luke) had access to similar material in the tradition. The 100 AD is very late for the gospels (the dates are guesses). Most scholars put the synoptics before 70 AD since the destruction of the temple is not mentioned. John is believed to have written last when he was an old man (90-100 AD). Paul did meet Jesus.
There's no conflict between faith in Jesus and Zeitgeist. Jesus can be seen from multiple perspectives, as being the Sun (knowledge, light) and the resurrection of the sun as a natural phenomenon is also reflected in the life of Jesus. All interpretations are an expression of human consciousness. Even if he wasn't a real person, the imprint of such divinity and value are embedded in the human psyche, which make the coherence of his teachings valid and truly real, whatever perspective of choice.
@MayaWix Zeitgeist was made up. It's a LIE. Jesus IS a real person, he lived, died and risen from the dead. He is YAHWEH incarnate. The Reflection of God's glory.
my second question is did you forget put into account that there is an existence of language barrier and gap, between Aramaic and Latin?. my point is how can you trust a council of men who are not Jews. when in fact we all know that Constantine had a political agenda as to why he created the council of Nicaea. basing on that premise alone that couldn't be a substantial weight to trust the judgment of men.
An interesting theory, i would like to know how you came into that conclusion?
when a lot of sources point out differently.
- i would like to point out that i have never read the da vinci codes because it is not a factual evidence.(its fictional) based on talented ramblings of an artist.
my question is you solely put your trust on the council who consist of men that has questionable acts and capabilities?
@drukenhard Judas hung himself due to his guilt, which is spoken about in the gospel. But during this it is said that the tree didn't wish to hang his body and the limb snapped, the spirit of the tree would hold his body no longer. His body fell upon the ground and his stomach split open for his insides to spill out everywhere, as said later in the New Testament. It amazes me how ignorant people see the death of Judas as 1 event and 2 lies, rather than what it is. How he died, and afterwards.
Now Eusebius was himself nearly excommunicated for heresy, and consequently you can see how circular the argumentation is if you take a bundle of sycophants as evidence for unanimous agreement between sovereign autonomous mature judges on the matter, especially if their acceptance - which they desparately wanted to preserve - todepended altogether on conformity.
Thus as I said elsewhere: you have enough good arguments, just drop the bad ones.
As much as I respect the rest of this video, your case against the Gospel of Thomas is invalid. It is obvious that does Not constitute any attempt at the same genre as the four canonical gospels. This is so trivial that it would convince any iontelligent listener that you are merely arguing rhetorically, based on ore-established belief.
The GoTh is VERY interesting and a category of its own as over against the other apocryphal literature due to its structural similarity to the source Q which..
["Ore-establshed above should be "pre-..." of course]
...is also a pure logia-source (as is the GoTh) and definitely predates the canonical Gospels since they derived many logia from it. On top of that, GoTH has many of the canonical sayings in common with Q, as well as others the latter does not contain. Hence it is NOT a copy or oriented at the canonicals AND reliable regarding the common ground. Hence the rest of the sayings cannot be assumed to be less reliable than the rest of the gospels.
..Finally, there isn't even any reason to consider the GoTh "gnostic" (a collective term for all sorts of views) except that it was found among gnostic Nag Hammadi texts - talk about a bad reason !
The Gospel of Thomas is simply playing in a league of its own and must be assumed to be no more or less reliable than Q.
The opinion of people like Eusebius must be viewed in the light that Eusebius was mostly a parrot of Origen whose views were themselves condemned by the church.
First of all you don't know what Christ looks like and second of all God says bow down to NO IMAGES OR MAKE ANY IMAGES of things in Heaven or on Earth or under the earth,so that includes statues of Christ,Mary,the POPE, Eucharist and saints.RCC members don't believe God though,they follow only the GODLESS POPE who forbids to marry and teaches abstaining from foods that God has blessed.Also there was no ROMAN Catholic Church when Paul was alive.
@CBALLEN Praying to the dead that is practiced by the Pagans is not the samething practiced by RC Christians b/c we ASK people already in Heaven to pray for us. In the Book of Revelation we read of Saints taking the prayers of the people on Earth to Heaven before the Lamb. Which man made SECT do u affiliate yourself with since u Protestants are not 1 church like the Church Jesus started in the Bible and is alive today until the end of time: the RCC.
@eljunior98 God explicitly says DON'T TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEAD,THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT THE DEAD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THINGS ON EARTH.R. Catholicism is nothing but paganism mixed in with elements of Christianity,this was done by design to coax the pagans to come to Christ and still have parts of their religion to hold on to.The RCC is a whore who has prostituted herself with many gods.
@eljunior98 What are you going to do when you say Lord ,Lord,haven't I done many good works in your name? And He says depart from me ,you worker of iniquity into everlasting fire! This is the same thing that most POPES WILL HEAR! The Popes have replaced Christ in Roman Catholicism,and Jesus is a Jealous God who does not share His Godhood with any flawed human.Popes are just the new Caesars who call themselves gods.
@CBALLEN I look forward towards the last day b/c I practice what Christ taught when he was on Earth Faith&Good Works. Popes have NEVER claimed to be God. This is proof that u are out of theological arguments so u resort now to name calling and Jehovah Wittness realistic fiction! Popes are the successors of St. Peter who was the leader of the Apostles on Earth when Christ ascended into Heaven.
@eljunior98 Peter was NEVER the POPE,THIS IS WHERE YOU FOUNDATION IS FLAWED AND WHERE THE RCC GAINED POWER BY CALLING HIMSELF THE VICAR OF CHRIST.You RCs are some of the most gullible people that I've ever come across,read some real Church history and find out the truth.
Jesus condemned the traditions of men that taught contrary to scripture,yet the RCC puts much more faith in MAN'S TRADITIONS and scoff at the Bible.Simon Magus taught idol worship so does the RCC.Simon "PETER" Magus taught praying to the dead,so does the RCC.ALL false religions teach a works based salvation,so does the RCC.
@CBALLEN Idol worship is the worshiping of FALSE gods like the Egyptians worshiped the Pharoahs that they made pyramids for, the Romans worshipped the Caesar as one of many gods. We in the RCC only have images of Christ(God&Man)b/c God doesnt have a physical image but Christ does. We worship who the image represents like the Jews worshiped God and not the Bronze Serpent they kneeled in front of in the book of Numbers. Get it straight and stop pulling scripture out of its context.
Chis' vid seems to be advocating an extremely late date for the emergence of the Gospel of Thomas. It seems most scholars date the text from AD 60 to AD 140. If you (Chris) is going to give such late dates, you should explain why their dates are faulty.
The Gospel of Thomas is usually dated from around 140-200 A.D. This book describes itself in the opening statement as the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke. John 18:20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
I disagree with the statement that the hierarchy didn't exist in the beginning of the church. That is untrue. From the church's inception threre existed the three grades of bishop, priest and deacon. Also an honest reading of sacred scripture clearly indicated that Jesus appointed St. Peter as the chief shepherd (Pope) when he gave him the keys to the kingdom.
there were overseers / bishops, elders and deacons.
Where are "priests" mentioned by Paul in 1 Timothy or in his epistle to Titus? Nowhere! The bishop of Rome was just a bishop like any other until power shifts over 500 years later brought the bishop of Rome to more pre-eminence. The keys of the kingdom don't have anything to do with Popes, but rather discipline within the Church. So, the statements given in this video are true - disagree all you want. RCC rewriting of history notwithstanding!
Yes we know now the Council of Nicea was a myth thanks to Chris White..he was there you know!!! He knows the Bible to be GODS creation! Only probelm is that GOD is a product of the human mind..created by it. So we can all spend our lives debating, killing and condemning each other..IN THE NAME OF GOD!!!
Anyone who thinks the bible as small as it is; is the complete word of god has mental issues. Jesus's disciples even quoted the book of enoch, Jude 14-15;which mysteriously dissappeared from the canon in the 4th century. Yes most of you are worried about swine flu vaccines and fema camps; but they are nothing compared to the psi wars the gov't has planned for you. Your mandatory digital tv will be weaponized after the abyss of revelation is opened to control the demons that will attack you.
1. Jude was not one of "Jesus's disciples." Check Jude 1, sir.
2. The REASON the book of Enoch was not included in the OLD TESTAMENT was because Jesus never referenced the book it was in. The entire old testament is comprised of all the writings in the FIVE books Jesus ever referenced.
@DoKtaTre Why does it matter if Yeshua referenced it or not? The old testament speaks of many books stripped from the original canon such as the book of Jasher(2Samuel 1:18) and the acts of solomon(1 Kings 11:41). King Pedophile(the POPE) and the rest of the vatican satan worshipers obviously corrupted the American Bible.
You know what would be really cool? If you would stop spouting completely un-educated prejudicial conjectures, my friend. It matters if "[Jesus] referenced it or not" because He is what the entire book's about (in case you hadn't figured it out already).
Secondly, the pope had NOTHING to do with the writing of the King James Bible -- or any bible, for that matter (with the obvious exception of the CATHOLIC BIBLE) -- or the cannon.
My conclusions come from studying and being informed by spiritual beings. I believe the Vatican influenced and corrupted the american bible and I believe King James was a mason. I believe the only uncorrupted bible is the ethiopian texts which were hidden during the crusades. I have an original hebrew time relative bible that doesn't contradict itself, as both the american bible, Koran, and catholic one does.
"spiritual beings," eh? ;) I take it you haven't watched any of Chris's videos on the 2012 myth? God won't speak to anyone via "spiritual beings." There are instances in the bible of Angels appearing IN DREAMS -- but only to those who've tried to remain "righteous." I pray for you, my neighbor, and hope that you will find what you're looking for shortly.
I never said angels because I really don't know what they are. I just know they have a very powerful presence. It is possible they could be deceiving demons. I never watched his videos on 2012 because the beings informed me about the strong delusion that's coming; so i never believed anything I heard about 2012. I have watched a lot of his other videos and enjoy them; but I just know the bible have been tampered with and I have a time relative hebrew bible that has books our bible doesn't
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the bible was WRITTEN by men! not GOD.
the old testament is only small a fraction of the books involved in the early bible. the old testament was an adoption by the church of popular stories used in religions BEFORE it's existence.
God, if you believe in God, wouldn't be God at all if it showed itself to man outright or told some men to write down it's ideas.
religion is simply a device used by the power-elite to control/ enslave the minds of the people they govern. a product of the state.
You are a product of a world wide conspiracy of disinformation that has tried for centuries to do away with the Creator of Heaven and Earth,THE GOD OF THE BIBLE.Only stupid people believe that nothing created everything.Even as unintelligent as you are surely something in the back of your mind whispers that you are being duped,don't be a fool,repent and believe.
The Roman Catholic Church is the worlds largest cult so I can see why you feel the way you do.You have been indoctrinated into believing Peter was the first pope,but if you would study a little,you will find that it was Simon Magus,from the book of Acts,that lead the Roman Church with it's Babylonian Mystery religion mixed in.Come out of the whore of Babylon,stop bowing before idols , praying to the dead and cry out for God to save you from Satan's playground.God Bless
The most divine source for information is the Akashic records in the 5th dimensional perspective of reality automatically updated after any and all acts.
@CBALLEN Actually if u study history correctly u will read and learn that Peter became the Bishop of Rome (Pope) around the yr when he was martyred in what is today St. Peter's Square. Also for a good while in the RCC there were only 5 Dioceses: Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople, and Rome. Rome was where Peter and Paul wanted to go to spread the faith more throughout the world(at that time all the Roman Empire), and here is where they were martyred. Get the facts straight herectic.
@eljunior98 Maybe you should study something more than RCC indoctrination material.SHOW ME IN THE BiBLE where Peter was in Rome.Also Peter is buried in Jerusalem.
@CBALLEN"Just b/c something is not in the Bible doesn't mean that it didn't happen." Jesus's Apostles with the exception of Judas Isacariot who hung himself were not killed until after the period of their letters in da NT. The Bible doesnt say doesnt say Peter was da leader of Rome b/c he was da leader of da whole Church given to him by Christ Matt 16:18-19 but when he got to Rome he did. From what I can remember from what I have read Peter was martyred in Rome and buried in Rome.
@eljunior98 1Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Timothy 4:2 - Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Timothy 4:3 - Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
@eljunior98 God revealed to Paul what the RCC was all about so Paul could head it off at the pass,by calling it what it is,a doctrine of DEVILS.Still RCC members don't care what God says,they'd rather believe the ''PAPA''
@CBALLEN No St.Paul never taught that the RCC was a doctrine of Devils. Ur just taking out of context the meaning of something u read in the NT. Point out what u say if ur not a AFRAID to look stupid.
@CBALLEN Prove that we believe a Man instead of the BIble. Why would u teach something the Bible does NOT teach: The Bible contains ALL the truth of Christ. When it reality its the Bible with Oral Tradition that contains ALL the truth of Christ. It was the Oral Tradition that was used to validate which texts would make up the NT. Provide DATA u liar before u make false claims!!! Herectic!
@eljunior98@eljunior98 The Bible teaches that Baptism is for those who acknowledge Christ as Lord,if Jesus has not saved you before getting baptized,you're just getting wet.The serpent that God commanded to be looked at for snake bites,was not worshiped or bowed down to.The church is the body of Christ,only those Jesus has saved are the Church.
Also the RCC calls Mary QUEEN OF HEAVEN,which is blasphemy! Look in the Bible and see if you can find any reference to Mary being the queen of heaven,you won't,that's another contrived part of your worthless religion.
@CBALLEN Nothing that the RCC teaches is contrary to the Bible. U Protestants do a good job doing things that contradict the Bible. Where in the Bible is their a age requirement for baptism, where in the NT did Christ teach to pay weekly tithes, where in the Bible does it teach that a man can start his own church, where in the Bible does it say that Jesus taught Scripture Alone? Who follows the teaching of men now!
@eljunior98 What do you want me to back up?Anyone who claims to be a VICAR of Christ "INSTEAD OF CHRIST","Christ on earth" is claiming something that he cannot back up,and the POPE EVEN RECEIVES WORSHIP FROM DELUDED RC,HE is a false God!
@CBALLEN What r u stupid! No one worships the Pope. If u see someone salute him through kneeling in front of him to kiss his Papal ring is demonstrating an ancient form of European Chivalry: Read a history book!! Vicar of Christ comes from Peter whom Christ stated He was a rock and upon him(this Rock) He would build his(Christ) Church Matt 16:18-19. What is a false God u Protestants starting ur own store front churches.
@CBALLEN I look forward towards the last day b/c I practice what Christ taught when he was on Earth Faith&Good Works. Popes have NEVER claimed to be God. This is proof that u are out of theological arguments so u resort now to name calling and Jehovah Wittness realistic fiction! Popes are the successors of St. Peter who was the leader of the Apostles on Earth when Christ ascended into Heaven.
@CBALLEN What is a false God are u Protestants starting ur own store front churches when the NT only speaks of 1 Church that is 2000yrs old dating back to the time of Christ which today speaking historically, logically, and theologically is the RCC. Start doing studying history, reading valid primary sources, and stop repeating what someone else SAID and reading Realistic Fiction novels.
@CBALLEN I really wish u would back up what u say with evidence. Its sounds like ur just making all of this stuff up and that ur not used to a RC Christian that knows his faith so well that he is proving in ur own eyes that ur SECT is a just another Protestant heresy of RCC which can be seen in Acts with the Judaizers and 2 Corinthians with the ppl of the Church that started to be against St.Paul. Which one of the 35,000 sects do u belong to?
@CBALLEN Peter was the first Pope ur just to small minded to realize that Pope was just another name that the Church gave the Bishop of Rome and the Head of the Bishops from the Greek word for Father b/c he was a "father of the faith" similar to St. Paul and like all priests and Bishops are called to be. This is similar to sacred scripture that the RCC gave it the Acronym Bible meaning books in Greek.
@CBALLEN Peter was the first Pope ur just to small minded to realize that Pope was just another name that the Church gave the Bishop of Rome and the Head of the Bishops from the Greek word for Father b/c he was a "father of the faith" similar to St. Paul and like all priests and Bishops are called to be. This is similar to sacred scripture that the RCC gave it the Acronym Bible meaning books in Greek.
@CBALLEN Since the RCC is so much of a cult study the Councils of Carthage and Hippo where the Bishops were the ones who put the NT canons together in Carthage we got 22 and in Hippo we got the 27 that we have today.
@eljunior98 If you'd read your Bible you will find that PAUL was the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES,AND PETER TO THE JEWS.So stop taking your Catholic tradition as fact and trust the Bible.
@CBALLEN If u read the Bible Jesus was the first to preach to both Jews and Gentiles(ALL Non-Jews). Peter was an apostle to the Jews first because that is who surrounded them at the time. Also Paul preached to the Gentiles after having been approved by the Apostles to be an Apostle. I still dont know what ur argument is!
@CBALLEN The Popes are the Bishops of the Diocese of Rome where Peter and Paul are buried. Their hasnt been a Ceasar since the FALL of the Roman Empire.
@eljunior98 "thou shall not make any graven images...", Exodus 20:3-5 "Thou shall have no other gods before thee." do not make any graven images of them, or bow down and worship them for I am a jealous God. We are not to make images of any false gods and worship them, that is what they were doing in Exodus, worshipping all sorts of false gods that they made graven images of.The R.C Bible removed the 2 nd commandment and split the 9th into 2 parts,because those statues brought in cash for RC
@CBALLEN Read Numbers 21 when God orders Moses to make the bronze serpent and in Exodus when God orders the making of Cherubins on both sides of the Ark of the Covenant. Da Bible condemns worshipping images NOT making and/or having them for as religious reminders of important ppl like Christ(God Incarnate in Human Flesh). 1st Commandment wasnt changed by da RCC da other words included in ur PROTEST are descriptions to da Jews of how to avoid it b/c they were worshipping images like da Egyptians.
@eljunior98 The Roman Church has become a den of pedophiles that have exchanged the truth for a lie,you've managed not only to crown a man god on Earth,but you bow before graven idols that are detestable to God and have turned Jesus,who is very GOD, into an impotent mamma's boy.Come out of this whore!
@CBALLEN Idols are FALSE Gods and this is why the Pharoah was an Idol of the Egyptians, the Ceasar an Idol of the Romans, even though they were NOT images. The Bronze Serpent God ordered Moses to make wasnt an Idol b/c the Jews worshiped God and NOT that image proving the Bible condemns worshipping images and NOT having images as da RCC does.
forget Dan Borwon, try Elain Pagles for a professional analysis of this subject. Using Brown as a 'something' to attack wreeks with straw man bullshit because Borwn is a fiction writter whereas Pagels is an actual scholar.
Why are you discussing Dan Brown's finding and theories when individuals such as Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan, Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop, Dr. Ivan van Sertima, et cetera...have already compiled volumes and volumes of research that vividly illustrates the undeniable archeological, anthropological and historical evidence that completely and utterly invalidates the mere notion of Christianity itself? History speaks for itself on this issue...
it would last a lot longer than the ideas that have gotten mankind here.
at this point in time we've polluted the earth and knocked the whole planetary weather cycle out of balance with this dedication to 'religion' nonsense. man justifies its sickness of destruction with religion.
anarchy is without laws. i'm not an anarchist. sounds like you have a limited view of the world. maybe due to the blinders that religious people wear throughout their lives.
no, but guys like jay z , britney , christina , eminem , 50 cent , ac/dc , madonna the list goes on, i dont know about the people you mentioned above , ive never heard yani or streisand
how do you explain the similsrites of the stories in the bible with othher pagan religions thousands of years before the time of christ and the writtings of the bible?
i doubt it. you really think that the bible is exaclty as it was then? c"mon. and it was still written and organized by men. There are soo many books left out of the canon and i think the issues is that the books were written by men and these men have obviously contridicting ideas and opioions about the issues in the bible.
"And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11: 14. I really don't feel like looking right now so I'll just put that one out.
Yeah, but it doesn't have to be that way. If you really look at it Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are talking about the same person. They just have different names. All this religion vs religion is caused by propaganda of the leaders in power and the ignorance of the believers.
tex, i got one thing to say, the vatican does not wish to share its wealth or power with anyone, now why in the world would they (create islam) which goes against them??? Do i think its possible that the catholics have tried to infiltrate islam after god sent down the book? Yes i do believe thats possible,,,but to say they created it, is completely illogical
well being that revelation says she is the mother of harlots and the rcc is before islam. yes, rcc started islam and islam as well as the other harlots are returning to her. look up ecumenism and the gullen movement.also u have yet to explain the trinity as to how it's false. i believe it's bc u don't have a comprehension of the Holy spirit in the old testament or what the biblical messiah not isa came to do and fulfill.
tex, you have yet to explain why in the world the most powerful and richest religious institution (vatican) would create a rival religion??? That would be just plain dumb!!!! However most modern christianity stemmed from catholicism
Your own bible contradicts the trinity, but you fall for the few alterations and the false doctrines preached by your leaders, the quran is the sweet and bitter scroll in revelations you have no idea what your talking about, believe as you will and so will i
LOL q'uran is not what john ate i assure that. they created islam for the purpose of controlling the Holy land. from the looks of it they got that and then some. not to mention wherever a mosque is a cathedral is. u can't even quote scripture to prove ur point on the trinity so i don't see how u can talk about something u don't know or can't even explain.i know u believe what u want since i caught u giving a false way to God without scripture to back it up.
tex you didnt catch me doing anything, im not going to sit here and quote scripture no more cause you wont believe in anyway, and yes the quran is the sweet and bitter message, there are many scriptures in the bible that contradict the notion that jesus is god, and the trinity doctrine, and if you read and believed in both the bible and quran you would know the holy spirit is gabriel.
Like i said the catholics would not create a rival religion
LOL u never quote scripture to begin with so it doesn't surprise me u still don't. u say the Holy spirit is gabriel. give scripture from the bible and q'uran that testifies ur claim.Job 33:4"The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life. so according to u gabriel made u and gave u life? who did abraham see and talk with since Jesus said no one has seen or heard the Father? John 5:37........... Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
everyone knows that the vatican is the most wealthy and corrupt religious institution on the planet,,,what makes you people think they didnt put this propaganda out there to mislead you from the truth? They are the ones who started the trinity doctrine, which came from ancient babylon,,,the great whore of babylon begat many harlot daughters!!!
the spirit is prophecy in jeremiah and ezekiel. Jesus claimed Lordship of the sabbath wich is the title of the creator. Jesus said his Father was God. prove they started the trinity. also u forget catholicism is the mother of harlots including islam.
there is no personal bias, what evidence do you have? were you there 1700 yrs ago? how do you know that council only did what you say it did? How am i being bias? Im going off of history,,and the fact that the vatican is corrupt!
False the trinity doctrine in Christianity is one in the same. While the other trinities are three different entities. Plus this issue is talking about pre Roman Catholic times. When the Christian was the oppressed not the oppressor.
god is one not 3-1 you have fell for one of satans tricks the trinity doctrine is the same as the others, just different characters,,,it diverts your worship off the creator and to others,,,believe what you will and so will i
LOL,,,this guy on the vid says they have all the documents,,,,how does he know they have all of them? And why do the catholics have more books in there bible than other christians? I think that proves right there that at some point well after christ death that the vatican changed something
your challenging real historical facts its not just dan brown get out of here man these are what muslims challenges you guys with and historians which your just lying right now, open your mind dont be holding on to something that has so many holes
One more point i would make regarding Lao Tzu the originator of Taoism is he was said to be the Grand Pure One in the flesh....sound familiar?
It is believed that Taishang Laojun (The Grand Pure One) manifested himself in the form of Lao Tzu. The Grand Pure One is also the treasurer of spirits, known as the Lord of Man who is the founder of Taoism. He is the most eminent, aged ruler, which is why he is the only Pure One depicted amongst Taoism Dieties. He existed circa BCE
i meant why would you trust that they said they did not discuss the new testament? if they wanted the people to believe they were giving them authentic christianity then they would obviously tell them they did not edit the bible. i mean i think even back then the elites knew how to suppress knowledge and produce disinformation. i'm sorry... i love your work, but its the people who attended the council i dont trust not your work.
no im with chris on the gospels being canonized before the council i was actually taught that too by the same professor, but in studying constantine he did want acceptance from the christian community, but was still very much a pagan. he imposed pagan customs as is evident by xmas, but he also did not like christians. i dont know if it was edited at the councilbut i know jesus' divinity was though. they were unable to decide whether to call him the son of god, or just god. they obvi comprimised
aspects of how to consider jesus divinty was discussed. you see the churches discuss deeply how to interpert the bible best. it is good to have a group to do this thoguh it can also lead to splits, which may be needed anyway. its not so simple as to say they wanted to decide if he was god at nicea. they wanted to know HOW to say it. thus the nicean creed. look a little into how they discussed Monophysites. you wont have to look far to get the idea of how much detail they are concerned with
bro i'm sorry to sound like a dick, but i know there was more to it than that, but ive only got so much comment room lol...thats what i was getting at when i said they compromised...they obviously came to an agreement on HOW to state this. but i still dont trust the romans EVER having their hands on anything. my gut just says they mixed more in than we think or can prove...if you can PROVE otherwise i am all ears.
i couldn't point that out exactly, but chris did leave out that the council was religious authorities of ALL the world's practices of that time not just Christians, or pagans so maybe we should study all religions that predate Christianity and see if we dont find ideas christianity borrowed or elaborated on. i can already draw some parallels to taoism The idea of the three pure ones for example
i studied eastern philosophy in school as well and i see many parallels to christianity that i do not bring up to christians b/c they think the "conspiracy" centers around buddhism or some shit and that is only b/c those luci trust./theosphy and illuminati fucks have adopted so many eastern ideals. as with any practice thought buddhism and taoism have ideals i do not necessarily agree with.
although the historical proving the existence of lao tzu is an ambiguous task for historians his teachings and these philosophies were recorded to be in the Records of the Grand Historian by chinese historian Sima Qian circa 160 BC...i am not trying to disprove Christian beliefs, but some of their ideas have been elaborations on earlier spiritual teachings. if people cannot see these parallels they are looking with a blind eye.
and the idea of god in man, turning to man, haviing a relationship with life and after life etc, is a common idea. it isnt exclusive to christianity. the thing that makes chrisitianity different is that it teaches to not deal with any of these other spirits and etc, only with god, and his son manifested in flesh. that is the distinguishing factor. if the themes in common are considered borrowed or just simliar, that is too hard to say in some cases. it would have to be very specific cases
It says in the Bible that lucifer is a deceiver whose soul mission is to copy God and trick people into his ways. If these other religions look the same it's just a copy of it from lucifer the deceiver.
changed. maybe i cant prove it definitely, but they did not have religious authorities from all over the world invited just to say hi...plus the christians of the time were weary of the romans so what if no christian authorities had shown up? would you still trust the council then? and i'd like chris to cite which christian authorities were there and also how do we know they didn't compromise as well to save persecution? my point is constantine wanted all these authorities there for a reason
where does this idea of all religoins of the world being inveited to the council from?
if there are similarities of doctrines in some religions this shouldnt be a surprise. it depends on what kind of similarities. i mean almost all religions preach love, does that mean they bit this idea off of eachoother or that it is something they all have in common?
well the lumi use buddahism (some do) becsaue it is also a polythestic religion. especially the tibeten form. reincarnation etc
chris i would add that this idea is not only purveyed by dan brown, but it is actually taught in universities that the council of nicea voted on the divinity of jesus. now could my professor have been fed disinfo herself sure, but you are trying to debunk something only as a way to justify the bible in its form as the whole truth and even bill cooper knew that to be a foolish task. the fact is the catholic church is an abomination so why would you trust that they said they would touch the bible?
you mean would NOT touch the bible? well first of all there are two schools of thought on the vatican. i havent researched either one enough to say which one i think is most liekly true. they are that the vatican really didnt get pagan until 1054ad vs 321ad.
obviously the 321 ad could pose some problems. but still the four gospels were free from roman editing for hundreds of years before the vatican. also there were 5 churches at first, not just the roman.
no i like the bible. i am just a skeptic of anything that has been guarded by elites of any time over time. i mean we're not even accounting for the numerous translations after this. into greek, latin english, etc. i dont and never will trust anything completely that the romans had their hand in. im italian and was raised catholic...maybe im still bitter, but the protestan church definitely didnt make me feel any better either...probably b/c the jesuits infilttrated that too.
hey man i like your videos and i think you are correct in pointing out a lot of flaws. however, you are relying on accounts by people who were there, the same people who are thought to have made the cahnges you are debunking. im sorry but unless you were there you will never know the truth about what took place. you may be right, but there is no way to know 100%...its all speculation and personal opinion.
id have to agree with joopq, because what he saying is logical, i like the dudes who makes they vids and exposes alan watt, jordan maxwell, and michael tarsion because some of there info is right but u can tell they are bias as well, however this when he talks about the truth he goes to christianity which is a bias its its obvious because the reasons he gives that he has the right truth aren't provable. good to let both sides debunk each other
Any body can say any thing on the U tube.The only truth is that THERE IS NO REAL BIBLE and everything in it is what Pagans wanted to control the Christians.Having A BIG LAIER with the name PAUL was not enough,the constantine had to make the Bible a Source of income,and controle for his Empair.Together they remove the total believe system in ONE GOD .yes Jesus died for your sins,and be nice to your neighbor.AND FORGET ALL THE LAWS OF GOD.
you would have to go back through history and combine the mainstream historical record with elements of revisionist history, using the Bible as the ultimate foundation, in order to achieve an accurate account.
and now, at the close of history, we don't really have time to do that.
i trust we will get the rest of the answers on the other side if we make it.
i dont kow why you got so many thumbs down for this comment, i think it is a good point. rarely do you see the same person on a single post with so many thumbs up and thiumbs down lol. thats cool though
anyway, yeah, history is something that the more you have for one thing the better. so it is good to have even the other sides accounts to compare with.
john todd (council of 13 member) said that he found out there were worshippers of diana (witches) attending the council of nicea.
yeah, there is oft paradoxical manifestations lol.
im not really familiar with John todd or the council of 13, but that would not surprise me...in Acts the ephesians were shouting "great is Diana of the ephesians"...i suppose this continued through ad 325 or w/e, right into the present day with Diana in the movie Knowing...
man, we dont exactly have the easiest thesis here...the media is literally saturated with satanism and the occult and people have no idea.
you are in for a suprise if you have not got up on john todd let me tell you. maybe one of the highest illumniati defectors to christiaty, TRUE fundamentialist christiaty too. he was on the council of 13, do you want a link?
i have to look it up eventually...i saw a little bit on him in conspiritus and unleashedproject's vids...other than that idk...i try to stick to Bible prophecy, because there is too much disinfo surrounding the "illuminati" and various order such as the council of 13 and the bloodlines.
you are missin alot concerning prophecy in particular if you do not pay attention to illumniati. they are some of the main prophecy people. and unfortunately due to their gnostic persuasion they may be behind MAKING alot of prophecies come true. they try to artifically bring in the signs of revelation to usher in the coming of their evil god, cuz jesus doesnt win in their book....
is it a prophecy if it isdesinged to fulfill a prophecy?
yeah, but they don't have any power at all save it be "given from above."
it even says in Rev "power was given unto him."
it's not a script they are following. i wish they would follow the teachings of the bible! but God is merely allowing it to transpire.
it is only a prophecy when God predicts the event beforehand, and then brings the event about, thereby establishing sole authority and sovereignty over the earth.
the entire history of earth is because God said so (Daniel 2 etc.)
Don't worry about it guys..... like the creation story and the tower of babylon story the whole bible is now only a metaphor.........
elreal000 1 month ago
No one knows who wrote any of this nonsense. It's mind blowing to me that people care about any of it.
WestonPDX100 1 month ago
I dont see how it was misleading about the NT, those books came centuries after and were contradictions to what had already been established....so they are clearly false so i dont see how they could this video could be misleading.
Dobogio 3 months ago
This video only vaguely references the first council of Nicea in 325AD, and not the second in 787AD
How did Jesus come to be known as a God, and not a prophet? Why is the bible not an encyclopedia of all written works? What human beings have the right to say what the prophets wrote that I can not see?
supercat821 4 months ago
The Bible isn't complete with the Apocrypha. The Book of Judas is significant and should be in the Bible.
IndiaSergeant 5 months ago
@IndiaSergeant No it shouldn't cause it says quite the opposite what the whole New Testament says. It is written, that if someone doesn't claim Jesus to be risen in the flesh body, than he's not from God. The book of Judas Iskariot says that Jesus was a spirit who wanted to leave his body, which was a prison for him. That is totaly Gnostic teaching, and NOT Christian.
NocturnP 5 months ago
@NocturnP I appreciate that and I'll research more and see what I can learn about it :)
IndiaSergeant 5 months ago
@NocturnP
Sounds like Judus was describing a mental disorder prehaps Schizophrenia definitly a bit bi-polar.
VideoAudioDisco09 3 weeks ago
Where in the world did you obtain your information??? This is SO false...you need to study your Church history. I guess anyone can create "junk" and this is junk. Of course, this is a product of the Religious Right...lie, misinform, all for the Illuminati and the Dark Cabal. Keep people in the dark and asleep....right???
supremebuddy 5 months ago
Arius taught that the savoir was a creation. The council made it real. Constantain order all records saying otherwise destroyed and that anyone caught teaching against the ruling would be serverely punished! Arius was suspeciously killed shortly after the ruling. You should never be lead by faith, you should always use right knowledge of facts, which is what the coptic church taught until rome interfered.
egbcrushers 5 months ago
The Council of Nicaea issue came about long before Dan Brown was a twinkle in his Great Great Grandmother's eyes.
You're arguing the wrong argument .
Many Books of the Bible were determined to be "Uninspired" then, regardless of what they had "Planned" that year at the council.
Sven3xs 7 months ago
@Sven3xs Then study the whole of the Apocrifia. You will find out, that those uninspired writtings are opposing eachother and 66 books of the Bible. They are just made up by gnostics and false prophets.
NocturnP 5 months ago
@NocturnP- I thank you for your concern sir, truly...however I have studied them, in depth, because I did believe what you said, however when I did study them, truly, honestly ..I found Exactly the opposite.
I challenge you, for your own edification, re-read them again with an open mind, and compare them in their original text, to the other books, and you will find FAR more than just some books taken out..you will find relabeled books, texts removed, changed-What they did is Scary & Deceptive.
Sven3xs 5 months ago
Wow Chris I was wondering where you stood on this, and I'm glad to see your with those who believe in the validity of the 'majority texts'. At least this is how I see this.
Amarx00 7 months ago
This is ok except you seem to deny the existence of the Church, which sounds really odd. What do you mean there was no hierarchy? All of the churches were apostolic churches. Bishops were ordained in the line of the apostles. You couldn't just declare yourself a "bishop" like some do today. The hierarchy existed from the beginning when Jesus appointed the Twelve. They appointed others. There were other councils. One is mentioned in ACTS (Jerusalem, with the Apostles).
MillionthUsername 9 months ago
@TonDogWayner Luke was written by Luke, a disciple of Paul. Mark was written by Mark, a disciple of Peter. Matthew and John were disciples of Jesus. The synoptic writers (Matthew, Mark, Luke) had access to similar material in the tradition. The 100 AD is very late for the gospels (the dates are guesses). Most scholars put the synoptics before 70 AD since the destruction of the temple is not mentioned. John is believed to have written last when he was an old man (90-100 AD). Paul did meet Jesus.
MillionthUsername 9 months ago
There's no conflict between faith in Jesus and Zeitgeist. Jesus can be seen from multiple perspectives, as being the Sun (knowledge, light) and the resurrection of the sun as a natural phenomenon is also reflected in the life of Jesus. All interpretations are an expression of human consciousness. Even if he wasn't a real person, the imprint of such divinity and value are embedded in the human psyche, which make the coherence of his teachings valid and truly real, whatever perspective of choice.
MayaWix 11 months ago
@MayaWix Zeitgeist was made up. It's a LIE. Jesus IS a real person, he lived, died and risen from the dead. He is YAHWEH incarnate. The Reflection of God's glory.
NocturnP 5 months ago
@NocturnP
Based on what evidence. Note: I can show you the real house where Mickey mouse lives.
VideoAudioDisco09 3 weeks ago
my second question is did you forget put into account that there is an existence of language barrier and gap, between Aramaic and Latin?. my point is how can you trust a council of men who are not Jews. when in fact we all know that Constantine had a political agenda as to why he created the council of Nicaea. basing on that premise alone that couldn't be a substantial weight to trust the judgment of men.
"this is an academic inquiry".
if you have time enlighten me.
1518979141917613114m 11 months ago
An interesting theory, i would like to know how you came into that conclusion?
when a lot of sources point out differently.
- i would like to point out that i have never read the da vinci codes because it is not a factual evidence.(its fictional) based on talented ramblings of an artist.
my question is you solely put your trust on the council who consist of men that has questionable acts and capabilities?
1518979141917613114m 11 months ago
If the bible is a "Contemporaneous Eyewitness account" as you say then how did Judas die?
check all the books before answering
drukenhard 1 year ago
@drukenhard Judas hung himself due to his guilt, which is spoken about in the gospel. But during this it is said that the tree didn't wish to hang his body and the limb snapped, the spirit of the tree would hold his body no longer. His body fell upon the ground and his stomach split open for his insides to spill out everywhere, as said later in the New Testament. It amazes me how ignorant people see the death of Judas as 1 event and 2 lies, rather than what it is. How he died, and afterwards.
78Divini 8 months ago
This video was fine on the Nicaea part, but is very misleading on the books of the NT.
4312ton 1 year ago
I heard enough after he said that Paul quotes Luke...
4312ton 1 year ago
Now Eusebius was himself nearly excommunicated for heresy, and consequently you can see how circular the argumentation is if you take a bundle of sycophants as evidence for unanimous agreement between sovereign autonomous mature judges on the matter, especially if their acceptance - which they desparately wanted to preserve - todepended altogether on conformity.
Thus as I said elsewhere: you have enough good arguments, just drop the bad ones.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
As much as I respect the rest of this video, your case against the Gospel of Thomas is invalid. It is obvious that does Not constitute any attempt at the same genre as the four canonical gospels. This is so trivial that it would convince any iontelligent listener that you are merely arguing rhetorically, based on ore-established belief.
The GoTh is VERY interesting and a category of its own as over against the other apocryphal literature due to its structural similarity to the source Q which..
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
["Ore-establshed above should be "pre-..." of course]
...is also a pure logia-source (as is the GoTh) and definitely predates the canonical Gospels since they derived many logia from it. On top of that, GoTH has many of the canonical sayings in common with Q, as well as others the latter does not contain. Hence it is NOT a copy or oriented at the canonicals AND reliable regarding the common ground. Hence the rest of the sayings cannot be assumed to be less reliable than the rest of the gospels.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
..Finally, there isn't even any reason to consider the GoTh "gnostic" (a collective term for all sorts of views) except that it was found among gnostic Nag Hammadi texts - talk about a bad reason !
The Gospel of Thomas is simply playing in a league of its own and must be assumed to be no more or less reliable than Q.
The opinion of people like Eusebius must be viewed in the light that Eusebius was mostly a parrot of Origen whose views were themselves condemned by the church.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
I thought they dropped the book of Enoch at the council of Nicea. Can anyone help me there? Your input would be appreciated
caseyangus 1 year ago
First of all you don't know what Christ looks like and second of all God says bow down to NO IMAGES OR MAKE ANY IMAGES of things in Heaven or on Earth or under the earth,so that includes statues of Christ,Mary,the POPE, Eucharist and saints.RCC members don't believe God though,they follow only the GODLESS POPE who forbids to marry and teaches abstaining from foods that God has blessed.Also there was no ROMAN Catholic Church when Paul was alive.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Praying to the dead that is practiced by the Pagans is not the samething practiced by RC Christians b/c we ASK people already in Heaven to pray for us. In the Book of Revelation we read of Saints taking the prayers of the people on Earth to Heaven before the Lamb. Which man made SECT do u affiliate yourself with since u Protestants are not 1 church like the Church Jesus started in the Bible and is alive today until the end of time: the RCC.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 God explicitly says DON'T TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE DEAD,THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT THE DEAD HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THINGS ON EARTH.R. Catholicism is nothing but paganism mixed in with elements of Christianity,this was done by design to coax the pagans to come to Christ and still have parts of their religion to hold on to.The RCC is a whore who has prostituted herself with many gods.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@eljunior98 What are you going to do when you say Lord ,Lord,haven't I done many good works in your name? And He says depart from me ,you worker of iniquity into everlasting fire! This is the same thing that most POPES WILL HEAR! The Popes have replaced Christ in Roman Catholicism,and Jesus is a Jealous God who does not share His Godhood with any flawed human.Popes are just the new Caesars who call themselves gods.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I look forward towards the last day b/c I practice what Christ taught when he was on Earth Faith&Good Works. Popes have NEVER claimed to be God. This is proof that u are out of theological arguments so u resort now to name calling and Jehovah Wittness realistic fiction! Popes are the successors of St. Peter who was the leader of the Apostles on Earth when Christ ascended into Heaven.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 Peter was NEVER the POPE,THIS IS WHERE YOU FOUNDATION IS FLAWED AND WHERE THE RCC GAINED POWER BY CALLING HIMSELF THE VICAR OF CHRIST.You RCs are some of the most gullible people that I've ever come across,read some real Church history and find out the truth.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
Jesus condemned the traditions of men that taught contrary to scripture,yet the RCC puts much more faith in MAN'S TRADITIONS and scoff at the Bible.Simon Magus taught idol worship so does the RCC.Simon "PETER" Magus taught praying to the dead,so does the RCC.ALL false religions teach a works based salvation,so does the RCC.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Idol worship is the worshiping of FALSE gods like the Egyptians worshiped the Pharoahs that they made pyramids for, the Romans worshipped the Caesar as one of many gods. We in the RCC only have images of Christ(God&Man)b/c God doesnt have a physical image but Christ does. We worship who the image represents like the Jews worshiped God and not the Bronze Serpent they kneeled in front of in the book of Numbers. Get it straight and stop pulling scripture out of its context.
eljunior98 1 year ago
???
mrgoodvibrations 1 year ago
This is insanity.
bigpimp42096 1 year ago
It's refreshing to hear someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
narrowistheway1 1 year ago 12
the priesthood of believers is completely different than some phony office of "priest"
callofchrist 2 years ago
Chis' vid seems to be advocating an extremely late date for the emergence of the Gospel of Thomas. It seems most scholars date the text from AD 60 to AD 140. If you (Chris) is going to give such late dates, you should explain why their dates are faulty.
XmanosX 2 years ago
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je24t2 1 year ago
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The Gospel of Thomas is usually dated from around 140-200 A.D. This book describes itself in the opening statement as the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke. John 18:20 Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.
je24t2 1 year ago
I disagree with the statement that the hierarchy didn't exist in the beginning of the church. That is untrue. From the church's inception threre existed the three grades of bishop, priest and deacon. Also an honest reading of sacred scripture clearly indicated that Jesus appointed St. Peter as the chief shepherd (Pope) when he gave him the keys to the kingdom.
rowsofvoices9 2 years ago
there were overseers / bishops, elders and deacons.
Where are "priests" mentioned by Paul in 1 Timothy or in his epistle to Titus? Nowhere! The bishop of Rome was just a bishop like any other until power shifts over 500 years later brought the bishop of Rome to more pre-eminence. The keys of the kingdom don't have anything to do with Popes, but rather discipline within the Church. So, the statements given in this video are true - disagree all you want. RCC rewriting of history notwithstanding!
callofchrist 2 years ago
The biblical canon was established at the Council of Rome in 382 A.D.
rowsofvoices9 2 years ago
dude you are a liar and reject the truth. Paul is not an apostle of Jesus christ.
animefan2k9 2 years ago
Excellent video!! Good job! God Bless you for producing this.
JESUS IS LORD
alpidistra 2 years ago
God is Lord. You are God.
MaBu888 2 years ago
But not in the Orion/Alpha Draconian way of defining and dogmatizing things.
MaBu888 2 years ago
Yes we know now the Council of Nicea was a myth thanks to Chris White..he was there you know!!! He knows the Bible to be GODS creation! Only probelm is that GOD is a product of the human mind..created by it. So we can all spend our lives debating, killing and condemning each other..IN THE NAME OF GOD!!!
doctorhackensteinmd 2 years ago
Anyone who thinks the bible as small as it is; is the complete word of god has mental issues. Jesus's disciples even quoted the book of enoch, Jude 14-15;which mysteriously dissappeared from the canon in the 4th century. Yes most of you are worried about swine flu vaccines and fema camps; but they are nothing compared to the psi wars the gov't has planned for you. Your mandatory digital tv will be weaponized after the abyss of revelation is opened to control the demons that will attack you.
thementalpatient2005 2 years ago
@thementalpatient2005
STRAW-MAN!
1. Jude was not one of "Jesus's disciples." Check Jude 1, sir.
2. The REASON the book of Enoch was not included in the OLD TESTAMENT was because Jesus never referenced the book it was in. The entire old testament is comprised of all the writings in the FIVE books Jesus ever referenced.
DoKtaTre 2 years ago
@DoKtaTre Why does it matter if Yeshua referenced it or not? The old testament speaks of many books stripped from the original canon such as the book of Jasher(2Samuel 1:18) and the acts of solomon(1 Kings 11:41). King Pedophile(the POPE) and the rest of the vatican satan worshipers obviously corrupted the American Bible.
thementalpatient2005 2 years ago
@thementalpatient2005
You know what would be really cool? If you would stop spouting completely un-educated prejudicial conjectures, my friend. It matters if "[Jesus] referenced it or not" because He is what the entire book's about (in case you hadn't figured it out already).
Secondly, the pope had NOTHING to do with the writing of the King James Bible -- or any bible, for that matter (with the obvious exception of the CATHOLIC BIBLE) -- or the cannon.
DoKtaTre 2 years ago
My conclusions come from studying and being informed by spiritual beings. I believe the Vatican influenced and corrupted the american bible and I believe King James was a mason. I believe the only uncorrupted bible is the ethiopian texts which were hidden during the crusades. I have an original hebrew time relative bible that doesn't contradict itself, as both the american bible, Koran, and catholic one does.
thementalpatient2005 2 years ago
@thementalpatient2005
"spiritual beings," eh? ;) I take it you haven't watched any of Chris's videos on the 2012 myth? God won't speak to anyone via "spiritual beings." There are instances in the bible of Angels appearing IN DREAMS -- but only to those who've tried to remain "righteous." I pray for you, my neighbor, and hope that you will find what you're looking for shortly.
DoKtaTre 2 years ago
I never said angels because I really don't know what they are. I just know they have a very powerful presence. It is possible they could be deceiving demons. I never watched his videos on 2012 because the beings informed me about the strong delusion that's coming; so i never believed anything I heard about 2012. I have watched a lot of his other videos and enjoy them; but I just know the bible have been tampered with and I have a time relative hebrew bible that has books our bible doesn't
thementalpatient2005 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
the bible was WRITTEN by men! not GOD.
the old testament is only small a fraction of the books involved in the early bible. the old testament was an adoption by the church of popular stories used in religions BEFORE it's existence.
God, if you believe in God, wouldn't be God at all if it showed itself to man outright or told some men to write down it's ideas.
religion is simply a device used by the power-elite to control/ enslave the minds of the people they govern. a product of the state.
satinhooks 2 years ago
You are a product of a world wide conspiracy of disinformation that has tried for centuries to do away with the Creator of Heaven and Earth,THE GOD OF THE BIBLE.Only stupid people believe that nothing created everything.Even as unintelligent as you are surely something in the back of your mind whispers that you are being duped,don't be a fool,repent and believe.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
i didn't say that.
i believe in a creator.
i will never believe that MAN wrote something down that the creator said to him.
God doesn't speak to man (with words), so how can man hear God speak to document it's pure ideas?
why would the creator give man the will to do right or wrong and then trust a whole bunch of them with keeping it as originally intended?
that's not believing in God, that's believing in the institution of religion.
sorry, didn't mean to b so rude in the earlier post
satinhooks 2 years ago
The Roman Catholic Church is the worlds largest cult so I can see why you feel the way you do.You have been indoctrinated into believing Peter was the first pope,but if you would study a little,you will find that it was Simon Magus,from the book of Acts,that lead the Roman Church with it's Babylonian Mystery religion mixed in.Come out of the whore of Babylon,stop bowing before idols , praying to the dead and cry out for God to save you from Satan's playground.God Bless
CBALLEN 2 years ago 2
wrong again. i don't believe any of that. stop assuming i believe in such silly things.
Satan? Set (setan), the Egyptian god that fights Ra daily.
when Set wins there's a sun'set' and in the next day when the sun rises, Ra (the sun) triumphs.
Btw, just so we're clear i don't believe there is a sun god & or a god to fight it.
I don't bow before idols.
what planet R u on?
did u even read the private message i spent all that time writing u?
I'm not even catholic.
u dumb.
satinhooks 2 years ago
You claim that you believe in a Creator,but not the One of the Bible.Then where do you get your information from?
CBALLEN 2 years ago
The most divine source for information is the Akashic records in the 5th dimensional perspective of reality automatically updated after any and all acts.
MaBu888 2 years ago
@CBALLEN Actually if u study history correctly u will read and learn that Peter became the Bishop of Rome (Pope) around the yr when he was martyred in what is today St. Peter's Square. Also for a good while in the RCC there were only 5 Dioceses: Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople, and Rome. Rome was where Peter and Paul wanted to go to spread the faith more throughout the world(at that time all the Roman Empire), and here is where they were martyred. Get the facts straight herectic.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 Maybe you should study something more than RCC indoctrination material.SHOW ME IN THE BiBLE where Peter was in Rome.Also Peter is buried in Jerusalem.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN"Just b/c something is not in the Bible doesn't mean that it didn't happen." Jesus's Apostles with the exception of Judas Isacariot who hung himself were not killed until after the period of their letters in da NT. The Bible doesnt say doesnt say Peter was da leader of Rome b/c he was da leader of da whole Church given to him by Christ Matt 16:18-19 but when he got to Rome he did. From what I can remember from what I have read Peter was martyred in Rome and buried in Rome.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 1Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Timothy 4:2 - Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Timothy 4:3 - Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@eljunior98 God revealed to Paul what the RCC was all about so Paul could head it off at the pass,by calling it what it is,a doctrine of DEVILS.Still RCC members don't care what God says,they'd rather believe the ''PAPA''
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN No St.Paul never taught that the RCC was a doctrine of Devils. Ur just taking out of context the meaning of something u read in the NT. Point out what u say if ur not a AFRAID to look stupid.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 The reality is,Peter is buried in Jerusalem and the RCC knows it,they are just content in letting ignorant RCC members believe their lie.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN What evidence do u have to prove that u liar. Peter is buried in Rome. Stop talking BS and show me data and prove what u know. Herectic!
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 Why would you go against the Bible and believe a man instead?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Prove that we believe a Man instead of the BIble. Why would u teach something the Bible does NOT teach: The Bible contains ALL the truth of Christ. When it reality its the Bible with Oral Tradition that contains ALL the truth of Christ. It was the Oral Tradition that was used to validate which texts would make up the NT. Provide DATA u liar before u make false claims!!! Herectic!
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 @eljunior98 The Bible teaches that Baptism is for those who acknowledge Christ as Lord,if Jesus has not saved you before getting baptized,you're just getting wet.The serpent that God commanded to be looked at for snake bites,was not worshiped or bowed down to.The church is the body of Christ,only those Jesus has saved are the Church.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
Also the RCC calls Mary QUEEN OF HEAVEN,which is blasphemy! Look in the Bible and see if you can find any reference to Mary being the queen of heaven,you won't,that's another contrived part of your worthless religion.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@eljunior98 Just b/c something is not in the Bible doesn't mean that it didn't happen."
How about things that are in the Bible that the RCC teaches contrary to?
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Nothing that the RCC teaches is contrary to the Bible. U Protestants do a good job doing things that contradict the Bible. Where in the Bible is their a age requirement for baptism, where in the NT did Christ teach to pay weekly tithes, where in the Bible does it teach that a man can start his own church, where in the Bible does it say that Jesus taught Scripture Alone? Who follows the teaching of men now!
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Can u back this up u liar or are making this up?
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 What do you want me to back up?Anyone who claims to be a VICAR of Christ "INSTEAD OF CHRIST","Christ on earth" is claiming something that he cannot back up,and the POPE EVEN RECEIVES WORSHIP FROM DELUDED RC,HE is a false God!
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN What r u stupid! No one worships the Pope. If u see someone salute him through kneeling in front of him to kiss his Papal ring is demonstrating an ancient form of European Chivalry: Read a history book!! Vicar of Christ comes from Peter whom Christ stated He was a rock and upon him(this Rock) He would build his(Christ) Church Matt 16:18-19. What is a false God u Protestants starting ur own store front churches.
eljunior98 1 year ago
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@CBALLEN I look forward towards the last day b/c I practice what Christ taught when he was on Earth Faith&Good Works. Popes have NEVER claimed to be God. This is proof that u are out of theological arguments so u resort now to name calling and Jehovah Wittness realistic fiction! Popes are the successors of St. Peter who was the leader of the Apostles on Earth when Christ ascended into Heaven.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN What is a false God are u Protestants starting ur own store front churches when the NT only speaks of 1 Church that is 2000yrs old dating back to the time of Christ which today speaking historically, logically, and theologically is the RCC. Start doing studying history, reading valid primary sources, and stop repeating what someone else SAID and reading Realistic Fiction novels.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I really wish u would back up what u say with evidence. Its sounds like ur just making all of this stuff up and that ur not used to a RC Christian that knows his faith so well that he is proving in ur own eyes that ur SECT is a just another Protestant heresy of RCC which can be seen in Acts with the Judaizers and 2 Corinthians with the ppl of the Church that started to be against St.Paul. Which one of the 35,000 sects do u belong to?
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Peter was the first Pope ur just to small minded to realize that Pope was just another name that the Church gave the Bishop of Rome and the Head of the Bishops from the Greek word for Father b/c he was a "father of the faith" similar to St. Paul and like all priests and Bishops are called to be. This is similar to sacred scripture that the RCC gave it the Acronym Bible meaning books in Greek.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN I wish u would point the primary sources where ur getting this ridiculous info that is 100% FALSE and not of context.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Peter was the first Pope ur just to small minded to realize that Pope was just another name that the Church gave the Bishop of Rome and the Head of the Bishops from the Greek word for Father b/c he was a "father of the faith" similar to St. Paul and like all priests and Bishops are called to be. This is similar to sacred scripture that the RCC gave it the Acronym Bible meaning books in Greek.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Since the RCC is so much of a cult study the Councils of Carthage and Hippo where the Bishops were the ones who put the NT canons together in Carthage we got 22 and in Hippo we got the 27 that we have today.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 If you'd read your Bible you will find that PAUL was the APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES,AND PETER TO THE JEWS.So stop taking your Catholic tradition as fact and trust the Bible.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN If u read the Bible Jesus was the first to preach to both Jews and Gentiles(ALL Non-Jews). Peter was an apostle to the Jews first because that is who surrounded them at the time. Also Paul preached to the Gentiles after having been approved by the Apostles to be an Apostle. I still dont know what ur argument is!
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 The Popes are the new Caesars,they call themselves VICARS OF CHRIST,OR INSTEAD OF CHRIST!
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN The Popes are the Bishops of the Diocese of Rome where Peter and Paul are buried. Their hasnt been a Ceasar since the FALL of the Roman Empire.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 "thou shall not make any graven images...", Exodus 20:3-5 "Thou shall have no other gods before thee." do not make any graven images of them, or bow down and worship them for I am a jealous God. We are not to make images of any false gods and worship them, that is what they were doing in Exodus, worshipping all sorts of false gods that they made graven images of.The R.C Bible removed the 2 nd commandment and split the 9th into 2 parts,because those statues brought in cash for RC
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Read Numbers 21 when God orders Moses to make the bronze serpent and in Exodus when God orders the making of Cherubins on both sides of the Ark of the Covenant. Da Bible condemns worshipping images NOT making and/or having them for as religious reminders of important ppl like Christ(God Incarnate in Human Flesh). 1st Commandment wasnt changed by da RCC da other words included in ur PROTEST are descriptions to da Jews of how to avoid it b/c they were worshipping images like da Egyptians.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@eljunior98 The Roman Church has become a den of pedophiles that have exchanged the truth for a lie,you've managed not only to crown a man god on Earth,but you bow before graven idols that are detestable to God and have turned Jesus,who is very GOD, into an impotent mamma's boy.Come out of this whore!
CBALLEN 1 year ago
@CBALLEN Idols are FALSE Gods and this is why the Pharoah was an Idol of the Egyptians, the Ceasar an Idol of the Romans, even though they were NOT images. The Bronze Serpent God ordered Moses to make wasnt an Idol b/c the Jews worshiped God and NOT that image proving the Bible condemns worshipping images and NOT having images as da RCC does.
eljunior98 1 year ago
@CBALLEN WOW!! Very interesting.
caseyangus 1 year ago
@CBALLEN U need to read history a little better and study the OT of the Bible a little bit better also.
eljunior98 1 year ago
forget Dan Borwon, try Elain Pagles for a professional analysis of this subject. Using Brown as a 'something' to attack wreeks with straw man bullshit because Borwn is a fiction writter whereas Pagels is an actual scholar.
AeSaar 2 years ago
Why are you discussing Dan Brown's finding and theories when individuals such as Dr. Yosef Ben-Jochannan, Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop, Dr. Ivan van Sertima, et cetera...have already compiled volumes and volumes of research that vividly illustrates the undeniable archeological, anthropological and historical evidence that completely and utterly invalidates the mere notion of Christianity itself? History speaks for itself on this issue...
Hotep
blackmaximus 2 years ago
Satan knew that he couldn't defeat Christianity,so he had Rome befriend it and then try and destroy it from the inside by making it ROMAN CHATHOLIC.
CBALLEN 2 years ago
Satan? you sound like you're trapped in a self-defeating dogma. keep your mythic system to yourself.
satinhooks 2 years ago
You sound like someone who believes that nothing created everything because someone told you so.How ridiculous are you?
CBALLEN 2 years ago 2
show me the different paradigm of good and evil then
i guess killing babies is justified to you
sounds like you wish to live in an anarchistic world with no laws
i wonder how long your world would last for
MassMediaMindcontrol 2 years ago
it would last a lot longer than the ideas that have gotten mankind here.
at this point in time we've polluted the earth and knocked the whole planetary weather cycle out of balance with this dedication to 'religion' nonsense. man justifies its sickness of destruction with religion.
anarchy is without laws. i'm not an anarchist. sounds like you have a limited view of the world. maybe due to the blinders that religious people wear throughout their lives.
satinhooks 2 years ago
no, the elite justify it
like i said show me a different paradigm
good and evil , right and wrong etc
this isn't some wishy-washy world
you cant have one and not the other
you cant have your cake and eat it too.
MassMediaMindcontrol 2 years ago
there are much OLDER paradigms for god and evil if you need that kind of validation.
the world is totally wishy-washy. there is no definite black and white of most issues outside of rape and maybe murder.
why fight the rest of humanity that has different views of this existence? your way isn't the only way, you know.
satinhooks 2 years ago
only way to what?
eternal life?
John 14:6
do you also believe that music cannot do harm too?
MassMediaMindcontrol 2 years ago
music?!
now i know you're crazy.
maybe you're on to something. whenever i'm forced to listen to nickleback, creed, staind, barbara streissand, yani, celine dion, etc.
yes, i believe crappy music is bad. it doesn't inspire. good music i like furniture in a way. it makes life more beautiful.
i hope you haven't been convinced that human creativity and self-expression are anti-god. that would be a sad life.
and sorry, the creator did not write the bible, men did with help from other men.
satinhooks 2 years ago
no, but guys like jay z , britney , christina , eminem , 50 cent , ac/dc , madonna the list goes on, i dont know about the people you mentioned above , ive never heard yani or streisand
MassMediaMindcontrol 2 years ago
im sorry for you that you don't have faith
all i can say that its nice to have a debate on youtube and not get to the level of swearing like most others
i think the same about you "crazy"
what have you got against Jesus???
if you believe the garbage in Sheitgeist , do a bit of research into the sources that they mention, then come talk to me
or did you aquire your views from
"ascended masters"
MassMediaMindcontrol 2 years ago 18
how do you explain the similsrites of the stories in the bible with othher pagan religions thousands of years before the time of christ and the writtings of the bible?
B4mytyme 2 years ago
There aren't any similarities.
ForgedInStone 2 years ago
are you kidding me. there are dozens of other religions and faiths with the same stories.
B4mytyme 2 years ago 3
i doubt it. you really think that the bible is exaclty as it was then? c"mon. and it was still written and organized by men. There are soo many books left out of the canon and i think the issues is that the books were written by men and these men have obviously contridicting ideas and opioions about the issues in the bible.
B4mytyme 2 years ago
quran sucks.who wants to believe in a man who fucked a nine year old.
qwertydoll 2 years ago
good vid, Im gonna go reserch now, but still: the bible was writen by man and aranged by them too.
Mithicus 2 years ago
bullshit bullshit bullshit
lalonala 2 years ago
"And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." 2 Corinthians 11: 14. I really don't feel like looking right now so I'll just put that one out.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
religion vs religion ,the end
adamfromjairus 2 years ago
Yeah, but it doesn't have to be that way. If you really look at it Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are talking about the same person. They just have different names. All this religion vs religion is caused by propaganda of the leaders in power and the ignorance of the believers.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
tex, i got one thing to say, the vatican does not wish to share its wealth or power with anyone, now why in the world would they (create islam) which goes against them??? Do i think its possible that the catholics have tried to infiltrate islam after god sent down the book? Yes i do believe thats possible,,,but to say they created it, is completely illogical
Dabo614 2 years ago
well being that revelation says she is the mother of harlots and the rcc is before islam. yes, rcc started islam and islam as well as the other harlots are returning to her. look up ecumenism and the gullen movement.also u have yet to explain the trinity as to how it's false. i believe it's bc u don't have a comprehension of the Holy spirit in the old testament or what the biblical messiah not isa came to do and fulfill.
Texasmissionary 2 years ago 3
tex, you have yet to explain why in the world the most powerful and richest religious institution (vatican) would create a rival religion??? That would be just plain dumb!!!! However most modern christianity stemmed from catholicism
Your own bible contradicts the trinity, but you fall for the few alterations and the false doctrines preached by your leaders, the quran is the sweet and bitter scroll in revelations you have no idea what your talking about, believe as you will and so will i
Dabo614 2 years ago
LOL q'uran is not what john ate i assure that. they created islam for the purpose of controlling the Holy land. from the looks of it they got that and then some. not to mention wherever a mosque is a cathedral is. u can't even quote scripture to prove ur point on the trinity so i don't see how u can talk about something u don't know or can't even explain.i know u believe what u want since i caught u giving a false way to God without scripture to back it up.
Texasmissionary 2 years ago 2
tex you didnt catch me doing anything, im not going to sit here and quote scripture no more cause you wont believe in anyway, and yes the quran is the sweet and bitter message, there are many scriptures in the bible that contradict the notion that jesus is god, and the trinity doctrine, and if you read and believed in both the bible and quran you would know the holy spirit is gabriel.
Like i said the catholics would not create a rival religion
Dabo614 2 years ago
LOL u never quote scripture to begin with so it doesn't surprise me u still don't. u say the Holy spirit is gabriel. give scripture from the bible and q'uran that testifies ur claim.Job 33:4"The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life. so according to u gabriel made u and gave u life? who did abraham see and talk with since Jesus said no one has seen or heard the Father? John 5:37........... Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
Texasmissionary 2 years ago
everyone knows that the vatican is the most wealthy and corrupt religious institution on the planet,,,what makes you people think they didnt put this propaganda out there to mislead you from the truth? They are the ones who started the trinity doctrine, which came from ancient babylon,,,the great whore of babylon begat many harlot daughters!!!
Dabo614 2 years ago
the spirit is prophecy in jeremiah and ezekiel. Jesus claimed Lordship of the sabbath wich is the title of the creator. Jesus said his Father was God. prove they started the trinity. also u forget catholicism is the mother of harlots including islam.
Texasmissionary 2 years ago
u have unfalsifiable convictions, no evidence could ever count against ur view because u hold it wit personal bias, w/o evidence
veritaslogos 2 years ago
there is no personal bias, what evidence do you have? were you there 1700 yrs ago? how do you know that council only did what you say it did? How am i being bias? Im going off of history,,and the fact that the vatican is corrupt!
Dabo614 2 years ago
False the trinity doctrine in Christianity is one in the same. While the other trinities are three different entities. Plus this issue is talking about pre Roman Catholic times. When the Christian was the oppressed not the oppressor.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
god is one not 3-1 you have fell for one of satans tricks the trinity doctrine is the same as the others, just different characters,,,it diverts your worship off the creator and to others,,,believe what you will and so will i
Dabo614 2 years ago
LOL,,,this guy on the vid says they have all the documents,,,,how does he know they have all of them? And why do the catholics have more books in there bible than other christians? I think that proves right there that at some point well after christ death that the vatican changed something
Dabo614 2 years ago
your challenging real historical facts its not just dan brown get out of here man these are what muslims challenges you guys with and historians which your just lying right now, open your mind dont be holding on to something that has so many holes
habbs23 2 years ago
One more point i would make regarding Lao Tzu the originator of Taoism is he was said to be the Grand Pure One in the flesh....sound familiar?
It is believed that Taishang Laojun (The Grand Pure One) manifested himself in the form of Lao Tzu. The Grand Pure One is also the treasurer of spirits, known as the Lord of Man who is the founder of Taoism. He is the most eminent, aged ruler, which is why he is the only Pure One depicted amongst Taoism Dieties. He existed circa BCE
yankpo 2 years ago
i meant why would you trust that they said they did not discuss the new testament? if they wanted the people to believe they were giving them authentic christianity then they would obviously tell them they did not edit the bible. i mean i think even back then the elites knew how to suppress knowledge and produce disinformation. i'm sorry... i love your work, but its the people who attended the council i dont trust not your work.
yankpo 2 years ago
do you think that the bible was made at nicea or changed at it?
im not clear on what your saying.
joopq 2 years ago
no im with chris on the gospels being canonized before the council i was actually taught that too by the same professor, but in studying constantine he did want acceptance from the christian community, but was still very much a pagan. he imposed pagan customs as is evident by xmas, but he also did not like christians. i dont know if it was edited at the councilbut i know jesus' divinity was though. they were unable to decide whether to call him the son of god, or just god. they obvi comprimised
yankpo 2 years ago
aspects of how to consider jesus divinty was discussed. you see the churches discuss deeply how to interpert the bible best. it is good to have a group to do this thoguh it can also lead to splits, which may be needed anyway. its not so simple as to say they wanted to decide if he was god at nicea. they wanted to know HOW to say it. thus the nicean creed. look a little into how they discussed Monophysites. you wont have to look far to get the idea of how much detail they are concerned with
joopq 2 years ago
bro i'm sorry to sound like a dick, but i know there was more to it than that, but ive only got so much comment room lol...thats what i was getting at when i said they compromised...they obviously came to an agreement on HOW to state this. but i still dont trust the romans EVER having their hands on anything. my gut just says they mixed more in than we think or can prove...if you can PROVE otherwise i am all ears.
yankpo 2 years ago
well what did the romans mix into the bible?
joopq 2 years ago
i couldn't point that out exactly, but chris did leave out that the council was religious authorities of ALL the world's practices of that time not just Christians, or pagans so maybe we should study all religions that predate Christianity and see if we dont find ideas christianity borrowed or elaborated on. i can already draw some parallels to taoism The idea of the three pure ones for example
yankpo 2 years ago
i studied eastern philosophy in school as well and i see many parallels to christianity that i do not bring up to christians b/c they think the "conspiracy" centers around buddhism or some shit and that is only b/c those luci trust./theosphy and illuminati fucks have adopted so many eastern ideals. as with any practice thought buddhism and taoism have ideals i do not necessarily agree with.
yankpo 2 years ago
although the historical proving the existence of lao tzu is an ambiguous task for historians his teachings and these philosophies were recorded to be in the Records of the Grand Historian by chinese historian Sima Qian circa 160 BC...i am not trying to disprove Christian beliefs, but some of their ideas have been elaborations on earlier spiritual teachings. if people cannot see these parallels they are looking with a blind eye.
yankpo 2 years ago
and the idea of god in man, turning to man, haviing a relationship with life and after life etc, is a common idea. it isnt exclusive to christianity. the thing that makes chrisitianity different is that it teaches to not deal with any of these other spirits and etc, only with god, and his son manifested in flesh. that is the distinguishing factor. if the themes in common are considered borrowed or just simliar, that is too hard to say in some cases. it would have to be very specific cases
joopq 2 years ago
It says in the Bible that lucifer is a deceiver whose soul mission is to copy God and trick people into his ways. If these other religions look the same it's just a copy of it from lucifer the deceiver.
whatdoyouwantandwhy 2 years ago
where does it say that in teh bible?
joopq 2 years ago
changed. maybe i cant prove it definitely, but they did not have religious authorities from all over the world invited just to say hi...plus the christians of the time were weary of the romans so what if no christian authorities had shown up? would you still trust the council then? and i'd like chris to cite which christian authorities were there and also how do we know they didn't compromise as well to save persecution? my point is constantine wanted all these authorities there for a reason
yankpo 2 years ago
where does this idea of all religoins of the world being inveited to the council from?
if there are similarities of doctrines in some religions this shouldnt be a surprise. it depends on what kind of similarities. i mean almost all religions preach love, does that mean they bit this idea off of eachoother or that it is something they all have in common?
well the lumi use buddahism (some do) becsaue it is also a polythestic religion. especially the tibeten form. reincarnation etc
joopq 2 years ago
chris i would add that this idea is not only purveyed by dan brown, but it is actually taught in universities that the council of nicea voted on the divinity of jesus. now could my professor have been fed disinfo herself sure, but you are trying to debunk something only as a way to justify the bible in its form as the whole truth and even bill cooper knew that to be a foolish task. the fact is the catholic church is an abomination so why would you trust that they said they would touch the bible?
yankpo 2 years ago
you mean would NOT touch the bible? well first of all there are two schools of thought on the vatican. i havent researched either one enough to say which one i think is most liekly true. they are that the vatican really didnt get pagan until 1054ad vs 321ad.
obviously the 321 ad could pose some problems. but still the four gospels were free from roman editing for hundreds of years before the vatican. also there were 5 churches at first, not just the roman.
maybe chris sees some probs thoguh?
joopq 2 years ago
no i like the bible. i am just a skeptic of anything that has been guarded by elites of any time over time. i mean we're not even accounting for the numerous translations after this. into greek, latin english, etc. i dont and never will trust anything completely that the romans had their hand in. im italian and was raised catholic...maybe im still bitter, but the protestan church definitely didnt make me feel any better either...probably b/c the jesuits infilttrated that too.
yankpo 2 years ago
hey man i like your videos and i think you are correct in pointing out a lot of flaws. however, you are relying on accounts by people who were there, the same people who are thought to have made the cahnges you are debunking. im sorry but unless you were there you will never know the truth about what took place. you may be right, but there is no way to know 100%...its all speculation and personal opinion.
orbit639 2 years ago
id have to agree with joopq, because what he saying is logical, i like the dudes who makes they vids and exposes alan watt, jordan maxwell, and michael tarsion because some of there info is right but u can tell they are bias as well, however this when he talks about the truth he goes to christianity which is a bias its its obvious because the reasons he gives that he has the right truth aren't provable. good to let both sides debunk each other
PsykodelikCyoldier 2 years ago
"catholic hierarchy did not exist in 325AD"...?
lol, trying telling that to a catholic that believes their hierarchy goes back to the apostle peter.
BloodTar 2 years ago
I love your videos!!!
Thyservant2 2 years ago
This Guy tries very hard to hide the truth.
Any body can say any thing on the U tube.The only truth is that THERE IS NO REAL BIBLE and everything in it is what Pagans wanted to control the Christians.Having A BIG LAIER with the name PAUL was not enough,the constantine had to make the Bible a Source of income,and controle for his Empair.Together they remove the total believe system in ONE GOD .yes Jesus died for your sins,and be nice to your neighbor.AND FORGET ALL THE LAWS OF GOD.
abiverdi7 2 years ago
what are you even talking about?
thoseofmiddlearth 2 years ago
"Any body can say any thing on the U tube."
You kind of do yourself in with that. Why should we believe you over him?
Waltonruler5 2 years ago
yeah, history is bunk.
you would have to go back through history and combine the mainstream historical record with elements of revisionist history, using the Bible as the ultimate foundation, in order to achieve an accurate account.
and now, at the close of history, we don't really have time to do that.
i trust we will get the rest of the answers on the other side if we make it.
Leiflton 2 years ago
i dont kow why you got so many thumbs down for this comment, i think it is a good point. rarely do you see the same person on a single post with so many thumbs up and thiumbs down lol. thats cool though
anyway, yeah, history is something that the more you have for one thing the better. so it is good to have even the other sides accounts to compare with.
john todd (council of 13 member) said that he found out there were worshippers of diana (witches) attending the council of nicea.
joopq 2 years ago
yeah, there is oft paradoxical manifestations lol.
im not really familiar with John todd or the council of 13, but that would not surprise me...in Acts the ephesians were shouting "great is Diana of the ephesians"...i suppose this continued through ad 325 or w/e, right into the present day with Diana in the movie Knowing...
man, we dont exactly have the easiest thesis here...the media is literally saturated with satanism and the occult and people have no idea.
Leiflton 2 years ago
you are in for a suprise if you have not got up on john todd let me tell you. maybe one of the highest illumniati defectors to christiaty, TRUE fundamentialist christiaty too. he was on the council of 13, do you want a link?
joopq 2 years ago
i have to look it up eventually...i saw a little bit on him in conspiritus and unleashedproject's vids...other than that idk...i try to stick to Bible prophecy, because there is too much disinfo surrounding the "illuminati" and various order such as the council of 13 and the bloodlines.
Leiflton 2 years ago
you are missin alot concerning prophecy in particular if you do not pay attention to illumniati. they are some of the main prophecy people. and unfortunately due to their gnostic persuasion they may be behind MAKING alot of prophecies come true. they try to artifically bring in the signs of revelation to usher in the coming of their evil god, cuz jesus doesnt win in their book....
is it a prophecy if it isdesinged to fulfill a prophecy?
joopq 2 years ago
yeah, but they don't have any power at all save it be "given from above."
it even says in Rev "power was given unto him."
it's not a script they are following. i wish they would follow the teachings of the bible! but God is merely allowing it to transpire.
it is only a prophecy when God predicts the event beforehand, and then brings the event about, thereby establishing sole authority and sovereignty over the earth.
the entire history of earth is because God said so (Daniel 2 etc.)
Leiflton 2 years ago