Ben-Hur 1959 (2 parte)

[mimmo536]

mamma mia che musica è meravigliosa

[avgvstatreverorvm]

Ora necessita questa Legione in Israele per aiutare i Palestinesi a liberare la loro terra!

[lent77cv]

ROMA CAPUT MUNDI

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[hollywoodarrivo]

Torneremo....

Forza e Onore!!

[AikidokaZen]

@hollywoodarrivo A SPARTACO SIETE GIA' TORNATI A FA LE FOTO DAVANTI AR COLOSSEO CO I CINESI...MA VEDI D'ANNA'

[DawidAugust]

ROMA AETERNA !!!

[archiara]

QUOTO!

[MagoGabriel]

SENATOR!

[cavajuolosmr]

ma non dovevano essere vestiti giallo e nero questi romani????

sbagli della storia

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[Salvus967]

*powerful*

[adamfaramir]

Now finally you're admitting that the Anlgo-Saxon contents of Modern English vocabulary is less than 50%!! Earlier you had denied this. You forgot to add the percentage taken from Greek! With that, the non-Germanic contents shrinks even further. So what is really dead is Anglo-saxon & not Latin. Moreover it is impossible to do philosophy, psychology, psychiatry & anything scientific with the pure Anglo-saxon words ... it has to be done with the Latin/Greek derived vocabulary.

[adamfaramir]

Another shock for you ... When English came under French influence it absorbed not only new words but also manners of speech & grammar rules. It absorbed a huge influx of French words by the time of Chaucer who chose for his poetry the Normandising dialect of London, establishing it as the literary norm for the future. The basic vocabulary of English may appear Germanic at times but the French nominal & sentences structure is overwhelming.

[Salvus967]

nope, english does not follow the french rules, otherwise, we might call it french wouldn't we. a handful of people spoke french in the ruling class for the first part of medievil times, while the entire population beneath spoke english, during this time, many words were taken from french and made into english words, conforming to its rules......

[Salvus967]

u can look at it in one of two ways. the first is: the french influence brought by the normans, caused the english language to go slightly off whats its course of evolution may have been. or u may say, the norman french spoken in england at this time was transormed eventually, by the overwhelming english influence, leaving behind a trace of its existence, mainly in the many words that the dominating language took and made english. the percentage could be 90% but they are still english.

[adamfaramir]

You have psychiatric problems. Earlier you said 50% & now it is 90%!

Anway, Latin is so large a part of English that, even if you wanted to, you

could not purge yourself of even one tenth of it. Even grammar, which has been influenced less than vocabulary, would be diverse. Grammar was turned on its head by classical scholars. What would Modern English be like without Latin-derived vocabulary, or knowledge of the classics? Without these crucial components, English would not be English.

[Salvus967]

i was just pointing out that the issue the percentage of words being borrowed from latin an dgreek into english is still a subject of debate, so ur pie chart that u want to show me is just the conclusion of one group of people or another, but certainly not a final answer. so u can't sit there and tell me one is right over the other since there are so many different opinions on the matter....

[Salvus967]

so no, i'm not finally admitting anything, i'm showing u that there are huge discrepencies on this matter. whatever the case may be.. it really makes me laugh how u can't understand why greek and latin are the languages of science and medicine. the greeks, and later the romans.. were some of the first representatives of what we call western civilisation. this is of course, as a result of them being close to, and therefore, in contact with older civilisations before them...

[Salvus967]

since they were so close to these older civs & in contact with them through trade and so on. they had the benefit of learning (and also ebelishing) from them in mathematics, science etc.. THEN "western" civilisation spread into the rest of europe. so the greeks and the latins were the first to be enlightend & just like they learn sciences off of others, the rest of europe learned it off of them, and OBVIOUSELY tended to use scientific terminology that they had already come up with..

[Salvus967]

so as they learned off of them they used thier words for certain scientific terminology,still modifying them to fit into thier own lang. like i said,it could have been the thracians that had been enlightened first, then u'd be sitting here telling me thracian is a superior lang.because all scientific terminology is thracian,when really it would be because they learned it first and other learned off of them,but the thracians were not as near to older civs as the greek, so this is not the case.

[Salvus967]

the greeks, are almost beside egypt and the middle east where civ. generally started, while the saxons decendents were on the far side of europe. despite this, they STILL had a rich and beautiful culture of thier own and were by no means fools, however u are to ignorant to appreciate that fact. the language of science goes to the first to spread it, and the first to spread it, r those who r nearest to others who had this knowledge before them. one language is not superior over another.

[Salvus967]

the points i am making are highlighted by the pulitzer prize winning works of jared diamond (guns, germs and steel) and to answer ur question about what english would be without many of its latin derived words.. although i HAVE answered this already.. it would be much closer to frisian or icelandic in nature. and frisian is identified as the closest exsisting reletive to modern english (with icelandic the 2nd closest) NOT latin, which pretty much blows ur whole theory out of the water.

[Salvus967]

in order for another language to conduct science and medecine without greek and latin it only needs to have its own words with the same meanings.the mayans, aztecs and incas were very advanced in this regard and all had thier own words for the fields of science.the mayans especially actually had a better concept of mathematics than the greeks and romans ever did, & this was not matched until the industrial revolution (which the english led the way) AND the mayans were a stone age people!

[adamfaramir]

Modern English is the least Germanic of all the North European languages. It absorbed into itself latin derived vocabulary that eliminated a lot of the original. This happenned directly or by default through historical/cultural revolutions. It is this that you refuse to accept. You insist that the latin influx ammounts to some few loan words. All serious etymologists show otherwise. 

PS Industrial revolution. 2 latin derived words again!! Without Latin vocabulary, English is useless.

[Salvus967]

well u are ignoring almost everything i just said. noone fears italy anymore, and that makes u upset, just because we use latin words doesn't mean we are roman. the roman failed in the end, they were largely destroyed by those german tribes u hate so much. the saxons were among the most feared of the germanic tribes by the romans and the romans never defeated them. in the end they were forced to pull back while the saxons pushed forward having never been punished by rome.

[adamfaramir]

Judging by the volume & length of your replies, I guess you're the upset fellow & not me. Anyway, I'm not Italian but who fears England anymore? Who fears Germany any more? Who fears Russia? All empires perish. There is one thing that remains & this is cultural beauty. The irony is that the conquering Anglo-Saxon & other Germanic tribes despite being the victorious & had all the political stamina to do so, nevertheless abandoned their Runic alphabets & adopted that of the conquered people.

[Salvus967]

for such a topic, more than 500 words are required. ur right in saying english is the most un-german of the german languages, and i agree that it is heavily influenced by the latin languages. i did not agree when u said old english was a primitive tongue for dogs anbd so on, given ur extensive knowledge, those comments are ignorant and without base. u also generalise far to much which is another ignorant quality.

[Salvus967]

i am mistaken in saying the concept of zero was not achieved in europe until the industrial revolution. in europe it was achieved during the rennaissance.

[adamfaramir]

The concept of zero in Modern Europe was introduced alongside the Hindu/Arabic numerals by Fibonacci (an Italian mathematician!!!) in the 12th century who wrote his works in Latin!!! Fibonacci lived around the same time William had just conquered England! Nevertheless, what the Greeks excelled in was geometry (a branch of maths). Some say that the concept of zero actually started in Greece - developing on a Babylonian concept - found its way into India & from there taken by the Arabs.

[adamfaramir]

Don't worry ... I do actually respect you much more than you would realise. lol It is refreshing seeing someone who has some pride in his roots.

[Salvus967]

william conquered england in 1066 (the 11th century, not the 12th) . the mayans, aztecs and incas (and so many other groups form central & s.america) also excelled in geometry. but anyway thanks, i respect u aswell, i know u have extensive knowledge and it is fun to discuss our differing views on these matters.

[adamfaramir]

lol ... I think the readers of all these comments between both of us (those who bother to read them) must think we are a bit crazy & stubborn!!

Anyway, do you really like Meso-American culture? I wish I could travel in a time machine and join the Conquistadors in the South or the Cowboys in the North & eradicate completely some an American native tribe ... fuck Tepees, fuck rain dances, fuck Eagle Mountain shit spirit, fuck Maya dumbass calendars& their cacti soups ...

[Salvus967]

damn dude, thats the same type of ignorance that made me start that argument with u in the first place.... yeah, i do like the meso-americans, and other native american cultures... i find thier past to be very interesting. u have some issues man.

[adamfaramir]

Pure nonsense!... The Aztecs, Incas etc didntt even have the wheel let alone words for all concepts in science. Excelling in astronomy (which almost all ancient cultures did) doesn't mean all science. However you're confusing issues. My point is that modern europeans still prefer to use or coin latin derived words (for example for the elements discovered this century) long after the Roman Empire was dead & buried. There is a a versatility & intrinsic validity of the Latin/Greek language

[Salvus967]

latin and greek are the languages of science through circumstance and not because they are somehow better than the rest of european languages. this is perhaps the most ignorant point ur making (that they are superior languages) and i consistently disagree. some of your points i do agree with, u seem very smart and it is suprising to me how ignorant some the comments u make are considering this fact.

[trujillo141414]

Roma es Eterna!!!

[MalteseFalcon786]

How are the mighty fallen! Who fears Italy any more?

[adamfaramir]

What a dumb comment! All empires fall anyway! But you can still feel the power of the Graeco-Roman world by a simple language test. 80% (no joke) of the vocabulary of your language is derived from either Latin or Greek! Without these your Anglo-Saxon tongue would be gibberish useful only to peasants. And what about the Graeco-Roman architectural style? Centuries later North-Americans faithfully followed the Classical idioms over & over again.

[MalteseFalcon786]

No offense adamfaramir. I didn't mean to disparage the great Italian people there. I was just making a philosophical comment on the transitory nature of great empires. I was referring to physical empires. I am aware of the contribution of the Greco-Roman culture to our heritage.

[ImparatorEugenius]

PHYSICALLY, Italy never had a serious empire and Italians have never been feared, ever! Romans were not Italians and linking them would insult any true Roman. The only physical connection between Italy and the Roman Empire is that Rome is the capital of Italy in the same way that Rome was the capital of the empire. Adamfaramir was 100% correct in addressing the far more important connections that are represented by the links between our language and culture.

[Salvus967]

oldenglish was not giberish. the addition of borrowed latin words to the original english language didn't make it better just changed it. old english was a beautiful language in its original form, your comments are insulting and ignorant, which u made after being insulted by someone elses comments, which makes u no better. latin culture was great, so was anglo-saxon culture.

[adamfaramir]

What is Salvus in anglo-saxon? Old english is useful only to peasants.

[Salvus967]

80% of the english language is NOT borrowed from latin and greek. u are not making ur comments based on any real facts. yes it has borrowed many words from latin and other languages but old-english IS still its base and biggest contributor, u are just wrong. and u r speaking the language that was once old english right now, and had peasants not continued to speak it after the normans invaded england, this would not be the case. english today is considered a western-germanic language.

[adamfaramir]

Yes it is. Around 33% came directly from Latin. The rest came from latin but via French & other Romance languages or Greek. This is why 80% of modern day english vocabulary is NOT extracted from Anglo-Saxon. English can be classified as a Germanic language with a Romance vocabulary. Without Latin & Greek it would be suitable only to communicate with dogs.

[Salvus967]

listen u ignorant fuk, u're wrong, it is primarily originated from its original englisc (old-english) there are many many loan words in the language but the sentence structures and rules all come from germanic origins. latin and greek and french all added a few of these but mainly loan words. tell me where ur sources are from, cus i wanna read them myself.

[Salvus967]

just cus u come up w/ a few percentages, doesn't make u right. OE was no less complex than latin, just as neither are any less complex than swahili of iroquoin. it was only widespread cus the romans were good fighters, not cus they had a better language. the OE language was close to dutch & there are far more similarities between dutch & english, than between latin & english. the dutch are not dogs, & english only changed w/ the normans, it did NOT become better, u don't seem to get that.

[Salvus967]

i'll simplify it for ur dumb ass. there is no such thing as a superior language. language was just as complex in the neolithic, as it is now. what makes a language widespread, is the fact that its speakers spread it through trade or war, not because everyone says "wow, we like ur language better, lets speak that instead." languages only change, they do not evolve into something better. if u really think that, then ur to stupid to be having this conversation.

[adamfaramir]

Anglo-Saxon is suitable only for stupid witches talking to black feline creatures. By time English has been so "corrupted" by Latin/Greek words that it lost itsGermanic touch. Nowadays there are more Latin words than Saxon in it! You will be SHOCKED & overwhelmed if you browse The Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology published by Oxford University Press or The Etymological Dictionary of the English Language by Walter W. Skeat.

[Salvus967]

anglo-saxon is like dutch, dutch is not a primitive language. u think ur educated but u prove urself to be an idiot the more u make comments... so u went through a dictionary and figured out the percentage of all the words in the english language huh? i find it hard to beleave. go find the book called "the story of english" (i forget the author), read it, then get back to me. u will soon realise how ignorant ur statements are........

[Salvus967]

almost every word in the sentence i am making now, comes from germanic origin. i would NOT be shocked by how many words in the language are of latin origin cus i know for a fact i have a better understanding of this subject than you, what shocks me, is that u are still arguing with me... i don't think u quite understand how many words that form together our sentences are from germanic origin. u need to go read more and stop making bullshit statements.

[Salvus967]

the authors of the book "the story of english" are Robert MacNeil, Robert McCrum, and William Crum. the book has been revised since 1987 when it was published. the book has also beenmade into a series, incase u don't know how to read. either way, it will prove u absolutely wrong.

[adamfaramir]

You're an Anglo-Saxon xenophobic suprematist. You'll also be shocked to learn that even the very alphabet you're using is of LATIN origin. The only thing that the germanic hordes could do is breed pigs & not writing. Try to do science (physics, chemistry etc) with Anglo-saxon! Perhaps you achieve an alchemist soup to change your barbarian pigs into horses.

Any linguistics' scholar will tell you that Skeat is a MUST for any serious analysis of the etymological evolution of English ..

[Salvus967]

no, i'm just not ignorant like you. u claim to read, but apparently u don't grasp the knowledge. it would not be hard to do science and physics or anything else in the anglo-saxon language u absolute moron. it doesn't shock me at all that the alphabet originated from latin since i already knew that. the latin speakers adopted it from others who adopted it from the phoenicians, so whats ur point? and our number system came from the arabs, u probably didn't know that either...

[Salvus967]

LOLOLOL alchemists? pigs to horses?? ur a loser aren't u? u probably play World of warcraft all day don't u? i bet ur a fat loser virgin. if thats true, what makes it worse is that ur also a dumb, fat, loser, virgin. ur comments are gay as shit, and u have nothing to back them up with. seriousely, if you took this argument to a university floor against scholars of the subject, u would be laughed off of the campus. maybe u just can't wrap ur head around the facts ur reading..

[adamfaramir]

Every serious scholar knows that the percentage of modern English words picked up directly or indirectly from Latin is extremely high. Numerous professionally written articles in Journals of Linguistics attest to this. Google percentage+latin+words+english & it will give 304,000 entries.

It is obvious that science can ONLY be done with Latin/Greek. Italic nations picked the alphabet from Greeks. Arabs invented the numerals we use. Gay Anglo-saxons invented NOTHING civilised.

[Salvus967]

yes, extremely high amount of latin words exists. but the fact remains thata higher amount of words in the language are of the original anglo-saxon. small connecting words like "the" "and" "it" "of" are all of anglo-saxon origin, plus many alot of larger ones. if u read passage of old english, it becomes very apparent how many of our words originated from this, u are just notcing big discriptive latin words, overlaid on top, and which usually have an alternative anglo-saxon origin.

[Salvus967]

no its not obvious..latin and greek just HAPPEN to be the languages used by modern and post modern scientists. science can literally be conducted in any language...how is that so hard for u to understand? the reason the romans and greeks were superior at science and medication was due to thier geographical situation in europ and thier proximity to other nations from which they could borrow and share ideas & techniques, it had nothing to do with the language they were speaking.

[Salvus967]

anglo-saxons became enlightened after they entered the christian world. as a a side effect, were exposed to latin. latin was widespread in those days for the same reason english is today. because it was spread by its conquerors, not because it was a better language. the anglo-saxons have showe dmuch in the way of culture, literacy, education. do u know who Bede is? did uknow england became a center of elightment due to Alred the Great's perogative, who was an anglo-saxon?

[Salvus967]

u have a seriousely ignorant view of anglo-saxon culture and probably have read very little about them. imagine if real scholars maintained biased and frankly childish views about such matters based on silly emotions like yours? how much more ignorant would this planet be? u sit here calling a culture ignorant that existed in its a original form over a thousand years ago when clearly, u are the ignorant one. u really should grow up if u want to be taken seriousely.

[adamfaramir]

You are incorrect yet again. The monosyllabic words (like articles which are hardly words - latin doesn't need them) are probably Germanic in origin. The polysyllabic words (especially from 3 upwards) are ALL derived from Latin. You just don't want to admit the very very heavy influence of Latin onto English. Barely 25% of modern english words originate from old Anglo-Saxon.

The Venerable Bede & Alfred are good examples of the Christianisation/Latinisation of English & prove my point.

[Salvus967]

incoreect? u just supported my point. and how are Bede and Alfred good examples for your point??? they both spoke old-enlish. Bede wrote his volumes in old english andis a good source for studying the language... LOL but u think they prove ur point? ur not making sense. i am not denying latin has a huge influence on modern english, but modern english still has more in commen w/ old english than it does w/ latin, a fact which is undeniable...

[Salvus967]

the word "understand"has three syllables and is of german origin. this is only one example but i can give u more. romans were great for a lot of reasons, because of this, thier language enjoys the spotlight. it is no more sophisticated than the next language, had they spoke slavic, then our modern words would be full of slavic borrowings. latin and greek (the languages) does not define the greatness of those peoples.

[adamfaramir]

Alfred the Great proves my point because despite being an Anglo-saxon he imposed a thorough latinisation of his people. This happenned long after the Roman Empire was dead. He was clever enough to see that Latin was the dominant language of culture & glad to see his subjects abbandoning their Saxon vocabulary to get it more & more Romanised.

Somehow I cannot manage to send you a piechart showing origins of English vocabulary in percentages. I will send it to you as a personal message.

[Salvus967]

u r proving to me that u really don't know what u're talking about. alfred the great had a respect for latin but he did NOT try to impose latinisation on his people. he was a lover of the old-englisc language and while he may have had a certain respect for latin, he brought in scholars in order to translate key religeous texts from latin into old-english so that his subjects would know it. he if anything, strove to preserve anglo-saxon culture.

[Salvus967]

alfred the great by no means meant to teach his people to speak latin, and at no point in english history after the romans left britain was the every day language spoken on that island latin. latin, was the language of chirstianity, therefore bede wrote in latin, his first language was undoubdetly old-english. latin was once the language of the church in england but it faded away while english remained.....

[Salvus967]

it is quite obviouse that u have read like one or two books on the matter and then formed this ridiculous idea that modern english is a latin language. ur oppinion is a joke, ur pie charts prove nothing. niether bede nor alfred the great wanted to do anything more than educate thier people. both were a.saxon through and through, and neither wanted to abolish that language but actually had an adoration for thier mother tongue. u don't know this cus u don't understand what ur reading.

[Salvus967]

Bede's Ecclesiastical History was translated into Old English at the insistence of Alfred the Great in 890's. something u obviousely did not know since it contradicts ur earlier comments.

[adamfaramir]

By the way, you are wrong about Bede's writings. He wrote mainly in Latin and not Old English. His most famous work is the Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum.

[Salvus967]

thanks by the way for suggesting "percentage+latin words+english" here is an example of what i have found; A computerised survey of about 80,000 words in the old Shorter Oxford Dictionary (3rd ed.) was published in Ordered Profusion by Thomas Finkenstaedt and Dieter Wolff (1973) that estimated the origin of English words as follows:

Langue d'oïl, including French and Old Norman: 28.3%

Latin, including modern scientific and technical Latin: 28.24%

[Salvus967]

so this shows that almost 50% of our words maybe of latin origin, either directly or otherwise. this means close to 50% of the rest of the words would be of old english origin. the language kept many rules that link it to its original form (as well as words) but has borrowed so many more words from other languages and made them english aswell, a testament to the diversity of the language, but not an indicator that it changed from german to latin in nature. ur oppinions r misinformed.

[Salvus967]

its laughable that u think modern english is a direct ancestor of latin. how is it so hard for you to understand that modern english, was partially shaped by latin (more from norman french than directly from latin) but is still a direct continuation from original old english. u have no idea (obviousely) about alfed the great and his motives, and u have apparently only read a small portion of the story. i'm sorry but ur understanding on this subject is very lacking.

[Salvus967]

"Of about 30,000 words from the original Old English (Teutonic), only about 15 percent have survived the influences of time, change, Latin, and French. These 15 percent remain the important basic building-blocks of our language: man, wife, child, house, eat, meat, sleep, fight, live, drink, father, sister, brother, numbers; such as 1-10, and basic grammatical elements; plus other essential words." whatever the percentage, the rules that define the english language now, originated from OE

[Salvus967]

so the point is, no matter how many outside words there are, they have all been made english and the language remains a germanic one. it matters not how many have been borrowed, for they do not change the nature of the language into a latin one. what has happened is, latin words have been made english. that fact should erk your petty little mind. latin is dead, english (the language of the anglo saxons) is all poweful, u cannot swallow this pill can you?

[adamfaramir]

Actually despite the hurling of insults going in both directions between us, I do somehow like your honesty & sincerity in the way you try to defend your impossible position.

[Michael367697]

ROMA DOMA!

[freddyalberto1982]

buen tema !

[franco0039]

Grande ROMA!

[playcool20]

splendid music

[playcool20]

Stunning Music

[Raiphael14]

Powerful music & power cinematography. Genius of a movie.

[PageJoint]

It's one of the most powerful use of the cinema in the history.

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