here we go this is an example of ITF TKD hand techniques, notice the guy is using kicks at long range and punches when he is close enough for that: /watch?v=8jhOFHLp7Rs
Just for those who are missing the point, Lukasz "Juras" Jurkowski is an ITF TKD Practitioner. He is the main focus of these. /watch?v=8048hXhXKs4 - Same guy, only occassionally wearing a Dobok.
Also, ITF TKD does teach Takedowns. And Ground Fighting. So does KKW WTF TKD, only not as much.
@Caeviens the itf does not teach anything effective for grappling ,not a single thing,neither does the wtf.You may see some takedowns in the encyclopedia but they ont work and never spar with them so cant o them.All the grappling you see lukas doing is from cross training.He has been training full contact for years,its really kickboxing.
@scarred10 Really? Thats why yesterday, we were taking each other down, and trying to force each other into Submissions, and/or GnP. 30 Second Rounds, Light Contact Striking, No holds otherwise barred. Let alone Clinching, Throws, Takendowns, Pins, Jointlocks, and various applications of Elbows. I also know that this isnt just where i Train. I also know there are currently Three ITFs for various silly reasons, and only Two of them fight Competitively. Perhaps only one of them includes Grappling.
@Caeviens itf tkd does not include anything you trained in then,but your coach may just be interested or have background in those areas,its not itf tkd and its not in their syllabus,gen choi had zero experience in any arts that included those methods so it was never included.Look in the encyclopedia,its not there an the pissweak grappling that is shown is predetermine crap that woul never work.
@Caeviens if its a registered itf school,the will not be training like that,there are itf style schools that can do what they wish but they are not membrs of the itf which is ultra traditional,exactly by the syllabus schools.For example i was once a member of hee il chos group,which was itf style but not an itf member,we grappled and also full contact sparred and even mma style sparred at times.Itf style means you o the itf patterns and spar light contact kickboxing rules as opposed to wtf.
@scarred10 We partake in all the same events as other ITF Schools, as well as the recent World Tournament. Sparring is Semi-Contact, as oppose to Light, however; Unless its within the Dojang.
many martial artists do not know about taekwondo hosinsul. there are a lot of takedown techniques in taekwondo hosinsul. there are many taekwondo practitioners who are very good at takedown. they are as good as jujitsu practitioners or judo practitioners.
@spiritofmuye yep, at our studio when I was in high school we were doing that on day 1. although we didn't call things by the korean name. The instructor at that studio taught very practical and effective TKD, although it wasn't a very "spiritual" method. I think if I go back into martial arts, I will look for something more "spiritual" yet stll formless. Maybe a Jeet Kune Do studio that comes from a more spiritual perspective, I dunno.
grappling attack used in mma is simple because of upper body without clothes. catching back sides of knees with hands is main grappling technique for takedown. taekwondo has this grappling technique too. defense of grappling attack is also simple. making legs back and upper body forward will defend well.
and, TKD most definitely does teach working with the hands. at our studio, we learned (Korean) boxing first, then learned kicks later. We also did exercises in most sessions where we only used hands. As I said, there are no useless martial arts, only useless martial artists.
@neutrino78x there are indeed useleess martial arts ,most of them are pure useless and tkd is one of them.There is no such thing as korean boxing.ITF TK TEACHES punches ,not how to use them properly,that would be boxing.
@scarred10 there is indeed korean kickboxing, and that is "tae kwon do". As opposed to Japanese kickboxing, that would be "karate". Chinese kickboxing would be "Wing Chun" or "wushu". Western boxing would be "boxing". If you go to a good ITF TKD studio, they will teach you hand techniques, that is to say, boxing, before kicking. If you look at a video on here of western kickboxing vs ITF TKD, it will be difficult to tell them apart. It is the practitioner who makes the difference.
@neutrino78x tkd is a trad martial art ,it is definitely not kickboxing,they spend very little time sparring and its light contact not full with far greater use of the legs an way less hands.Chinese kickboxing is likewise nothing to do with wing chun nor karate japanese kickboxing.If rules allow tkd will look similar to kickboxing,they efinitely ont teach boxing in tkd,they teach hand techs and its not boxing,its pissweak punching without any fudamentals.
@scarred10 ITF TKD is practiced full contact, and ITF TKD does use hand/boxing techniques. If you think TKD does not teach boxing, you have never studied itf tkd. Karate, TKD, and WC are all examples of the equivalent of kickboxing (emphasis on striking with hands and feet).
@neutrino78x the only itf that allows full contact is the very limited number of itf pro tournaments,everything else is officially light contact although refs may vary in strictness.I did itf for 17 yrs ,the last few years while thai boxing also.itf tkd looks like kickboxing if the rules allow it,WC and karate look nothing like it.Punching is not boxing,boxing has specific posture,defenses and elivery ,you wont find these in tkd unless your coach actually boxed,I did so I always taught it.
@scarred10 you're being too literal. What I mean is that WC, Karate, and TKD all use similar punching and kicking techniques, and it is difficult to differentiate them in a real fight (although WC hand techniques would probably be a little more identifiable than Karate vs TKD). I did ITF TKD in high school, for example, and we always used a boxer stance for sparring.
@neutrino78x every striking style uses kicks and punches and look like very poor standard kickboxing when sparring.However the reason they are pisspoor is because they havent learned how to kickbox nor box from a legit coach, they are merely throwing strikes without fundamental skills.Using a boxers stance is not boxing,there are some tkd lads with very good hands eg tapilatu,barada,lukaz but they all have extensive kickboxing training where lots of time is spent on hands .
@neutrino78x here is an example of how similar different forms of kickboxing are. this is TKD vs MT /watch?v=cGC6pDRxm4I (add that to you tube dot com) I'm not sure if he is ITF or WTF though.In ITF I would expect him to have used boxing (hand strikes) when they were closer than kicking range.
In mma you need takedown techniques of attack and defense. If you want to fight with striking with standing position, you should practice takedown defense because you can't keep standing position without takedown defense. When you are good at takedown defense, then you can fight with striking with standing position.
Why do I see so many vids that have "TKD vs MMA"? MMA is NOT a fighting disipline, but simply trained organized combat. TKD is a martial arts that places much emphasis on kicks, but also incoporates open and closed hand strikes, and grappling defense (ITF-style TKD does).
I DON'T practice any fighting disipline, but I will say that I do know much more than those who claim to do.
@billysue2 I don't have to train for a fight to know that ppl are just stupid for believing or presenting that MMA is another fighting disipline rather than organized combat. Yes, you ought to prepare to fight in an MMA organization, but what these YT losers are doing is pitting an organization against a fighting disipline.
@ApollosInsight mma isnt an organisation ,its a set of rules and nowadays it represents a style of teaching as nearly every mma gym teachings the same arts.Id agree there are a pack of clowns on youtube generally.
@billysue2 MMA IS an organization, NOT a teaching style. That's why they have rules b/c it's ORGANIZED. The rules in MMA determine what techniques are and aren't allowed to provide safety and consistency among all participants. And the point of an MMA gym is so those who do have a martial arts background can know how to use certain techniques under the organization's rules, not to train them how to fight.
@ApollosInsight mma is a combat sport that is of course organised.However mma isnt an organisation,the events like the ufc/strikeforce are businesses.There is no such thing as an mma organisation yet.An mma gym exists solely to teach people how to fight within its rules.Today many mma beginners have no previous training in other styles,this wasnt true years ago
@billysue2 Check my blog that explains why MMA has these myths & dogmas that say grappling is superior to striking & MMA is superior to traditonal martilal arts when it comes to combat. I will explain how this is untrue & how it develop & how it will be & is being proven!! STRIKING & STRIKERS r & will DOMINATE MMA from now on!! MMA False dogmas & myths EXPOSED!!
@ApollosInsight Check my blog that explains why MMA has these myths & dogmas that say grappling is superior to striking & MMA is superior to traditonal martilal arts when it comes to combat. I will explain how this is untrue & how it develop & how it will be & is being proven!! STRIKING & STRIKERS r & will DOMINATE MMA from now on!! MMA False dogmas & myths EXPOSED!!
@ApollosInsight I know much more than you will ever know. Partly, because you're an idiot if you've never fought and are trying to tell us how to fight. secondly, Why are you commenting here? Gtfo my youtube, with your no combat ass. TKD is useless, end of story.
@kintle182 there are no useless martial arts, only useless martial artists. just because you do BJJ doesn't make you as good as Gracie, and just because someone does TKD doesn't make them as good as chuck norris, just because you do Aikido doesn't make you as good as steven segal.
@neutrino78x TKD and aikido are a joke in the martial arts world. Every time i walk in to the combat room at my gym, i see aikido and TKD guys in there training, thats cool. I ask them to spar, because my MMA group hasn't showed up yet, and when i spar them they know nothing. Nothing at all. Aikdio guys try stupid wrist throws that will NEVER work....ever. TKD guys try kicks that they know will never work, but do anyways. Both extremely useless.
@kintle182 So, instead of discussing this, you'd rather insult me b/c you don't agree w/ me? Tell you what, if you're that eager to believe that TKD is useless, go to South Korea, find a TKD fighter in your weight class, and challenge him to a fight. That way, you can prove that any brainless, talentless person like you can overcome the disipline of the "phony" TKD.
The Eastern Europeans love their full contact TKD. I think the ITF should adopt similar rules to karate, full contact to the body and controlled contact to the head. Light contact sparring seems incongruous with the other aspects of TKD which teach so much power.
and itf´s lines the majority are very comercial and they don´t teach the traditional tae kwon do...the wtf is olimpic...itf is comercial...but there are many instructor who teach very good tae kwon do...if you didn´t practice tkd..please¡¡¡¡ not comment...
@feder459in my country i know a lot of school who do tkditf for love of that martial art,like my school,my instructor have to pay of his wallet for rent a classroom.but the wtf is te mother of the comercial martial art(if we can gave that name).im 3dan black degree of tkd wtf and 1dan degree of tkd itf,,and i leave out of the wtf because the thecniqes dont have a really use, the exam was so easy,if you pay you pass,itf its a martial art,have a really fight use,wtf is olimpic because is a sport
I dont see TKD here. I see two MMA guys. get over it kid. Theres a reason nobody fights in a TKD style in K1 or MMA. Even this fucker above doesn't fight in a TKD style. USing a spinning back kick every now and then does not constitute TKD.
Yeah, semantics. What I mean is that there are lots of people, who say that TKD is useless and etc. But this guy is able to use what he learned from TKD, and it works. And I know, that he wasn´t purely using TKD, but consider it this way: If someone uses Muay Thai in MMA, everone is like, "Muay Thai is best everything else sucks."
Well I cna look at that guy fighting and tell you for sure that most of his effective techniques he didn't learn from TKD before he went in the MMA ring.
I see boxing training - he certianly didn't learn to box in TKD. He certainly didn't learn to grapple. the only thing I see above is a spinning back kick and some very shit roundhouses hitting with the foot of all things.
Whereas if someone uses muay thai people honeslty CAN say its awesome because it DOES everything striking wise.
@ephasm his skill and accuracy with punching and kicking come from TKD it is obvious that he has cross trained in with jiujitsu, judo, .
you are uneducated about TKD ... TKD does teach hands but the perception is its only kicks. Also kicking with the feet is an accuracy thing. kicking with the shin is a bludgening thing... TKD has both but you have to train at the right school.... Olympic TKD is no good for MMA.
Muay Thai also need extensive cross training to be effective in MMA
No, sorry. Bullshit. You don't learn how to punch in TKD. I'm not saying hands aren't in it - I'm saying you don't have a fucking clue what you're doing with them. Accuracy with punching doesn't come with TKD - it comes with training your hands PROPERLY - something you don't get in TKD.
Try kicking with the shin PROPERLY, before you think you know anything about how to throw one.
@ephasm Your funny ... I would like to see if you think I do not have a clue of what I am doing.... Team Quest seems to think I do.
Your just a tough guy who thinks he knows what he is talking about ... come talk to me in 25 years when you have studied as much as I have.
or go to Thailand and see if you can find the retired fighters..... they will be the ones on the street with no lower legs because of "compartments syndrom"
I've been to thailand a few times mate. Again, don't talk about something you clearly don't have any knowledge of. 25 wasted years by the sounds of it.
@ephasm my buddy thats happen when you do tkd wtf,in itf we have 2000 hands techniqes,1200 foots techniqes(tkd itf manual),,and we use a lot of them...imagine you,,,we start to use foot techniqes in form o pattern(tuls) when we are yellow point green(dosan)previously we only have hands techniqes in the forms or patterns,,,until that the pattern still have so much hands techniqes than foots techniqes,,greetings
@ephasm buddy,,you are so wrong,,that happens when you do wtf tkd,,,tkd itf(the style of lukas juraz) have 2000 hands techniqes and 1200 foots techniqes,,,imagine the important of hand tecnhniqes are...tkd pattern or forms start to use foot thecniqes in yellow green point pattern(dosan),previosly pattern are only hands techniqes,,greetings,,and search in youtube fights or ko of tkd itf,,
@ephasm NOBODY SAYS THAT IN TKD YOU USE BOXING.... THAT IS A SHIT.... IN SOME SCHOOLS OF TKD YOU LEARN GRIP MOVEMENTS BUT IT NOT DEPENDS IF I DO BOX OR NOT IT DEPENDS FROM MY PERSONAL TRAINING...YOU ARE SO IGNORANT THAT IN HIS STUPID LIFE ONLY PRACTICED MUAY THAI....PLEASE I DONT SPEAK IN THIS WAY BUT YOU HAD SPOKEN FIRST IN THIS BAD WAY....PARDON¡
@feder459 I don't even know where to respond. You make no valid or sensible point that i can see and Im not sure if thats due to the lack of grammar or not. Maybe i was just blinded by the caps lock.
@ephasm Oh Sorry¡ I havent got a good english I am argentinian, and I tried to speak to you in your language, but I was so angry when I read your comment that I didnt care the grammar... :S
@ephasm@ephasm NOBODY SAYS THAT IN TKD YOU USE BOXING.... THAT IS A SHIT.... IN SOME SCHOOLS OF TKD YOU LEARN GRIP MOVEMENTS BUT IT NOT DEPENDS IF I DO BOX OR NOT IT DEPENDS FROM MY PERSONAL TRAINING...YOU ARE SO IGNORANT THAT IN HIS STUPID LIFE ONLY PRACTICED MUAY THAI....PLEASE I DONT SPEAK IN THIS WAY BUT YOU HAD SPOKEN FIRST IN THIS BAD WAY....PARDON¡
@AleG50 it wouldnt matter if they had a million hand techs,they cant use any of them effectively.Boxing has 4 hand techs,thats all you need.Patterns have nothing to do with fighting or self defense.I trained itf for 17 years and fought internationally a few times for ireland and believe me nobody had good hands compared to even an averge boxer.
@billysue2 its real buddy,i dont say tkd is better with the hand use than the boxing,and i know that.i do box since i have 8 year(my father was a boxer)i only says the tkd is not only foot( a lot of people think that),the wtf give that image to all the world.the itf use all the hands(fingers too) and the perfection of the fighter is the mma fighter(the name says:Mixed martial art)i dont think a martial art its better than another,a figther is better than other,greetingsand sorry for my english
@billysue2 i dont know what style of itf do you do,but my sabonim teach how to use hand(we practice 5 days in the weeks 3hours for day,saturday 5 hours=1 for hand,1 for foot,2 phisical fitness,and saturday we do fight,pattern and self defence),but i repeat no martial art its better than other.a fighter is better than other,the way how to use your hand depends 50%of your master and 50%of you,and i mean the tkd is not only foot thats the image of the people,but the box its the best with hand use
@AleG50 theres only 1 style of itf,gen chois 1 and leaning how to box was never included,if the coach has a background in it that has nothing to do with tkd.Its not a practical style because of no full contact,no leg kicks ,no clinch and no ground.The way you train has everything to do with your art and therefore a lot to do with how good a fighter you can be.Do you think someone who doesnt ever spar could be a good fighter?Many styles do no sparring whatsoever and some only make light contact.
@billysue2 ".Its not a practical style because of no full contact,no leg kicks ,no clinch and no ground." <--- I disagree on all three counts. there are videos on here showing full contact TKD. it sounds like you might be talking about WTF TKD; the WTF is the organization that oversees TKD as an olympic sport. But if you go to an ITF studio, you learn hand strikes and anti-grappling. In fact, at the studio where I went, anti-grappling was taught on day 1.
@neutrino78x let me correct you there.Wtf is always full contact but no head punches.ITF is officially light conatct but there is ITF pro which is full contact , for elite players but only just starting.ITF doesnt teach effective boxing technique ,definitely doesnt teach defensive grappling in a live way( wrestling sparring) and features zero ground defense.If youre not free wrestling you arent learning any thing about grappling.I spent 17 yrs in The ITF,age 12 to 29.
@billysue2 well, we did good hand striking and anti-grappling that at the studio I went to. Anti-grappling was day 1. Of course, there are different interpretations of TKD, even within ITF. In TKD we generally anti-grapple; if we are forced to go the ground, our goal is to get back up, not to try to submit the other person.
@neutrino78x If you did "anti-grappling" then you didn't actually learn anything. You have to know how to grapple in order to prevent it. that "aikido" and "tae kwon do" anti-grappling shit dosent work...in the slightest.
@Oquirke jajaja...it depends from the medical student not from the martial art....all the martial arts teach how to puch or kick....you have to train it...so...it is importatnt the fighter not the brand(martial art)¡¡¡¡
@ephasm He uses a crecent kick in 1:10, & a side piercing kick in :13 & :39. He also uses a hammerfist in 1:23.
Crecent kicks, hammer fists and side piercing kicks are the bread and butter of taekwondo. This guy is a pure taekwondoin. Sorry MMA meathead faggots, he's one of ours.
P.S. the reason why you don't see WTF in MMA is because WTF teachers suck. I'm a first Dan in WTF and I've learned more as a green stripe in ITF than I ever did as a black belt in WTF.
Hate to break it to you kid, but he didnt learn to box, grapple, clinch or wrestle in TKd. That guard and stance isn't TKD and judging by the fact that he doesnt bounce at all or spend half the fight backing away looking to score with a single uber death dragon reverse spin tornado kick, his overall style isn't TKD.
Just because someone cme from a TKD background doesnt mean everything he does is TKD. Dunno why you idiots claim that all the time. "we can box" lol.
Actually, in ITF schools, you're taught to box, grapple, clinch and wrestle. It's part of the new ITF curriculum. And we don't do that tornado spin flash in ITF, just punches and kicks. And by the way, I kicked two thugs asses when they harrassed my girlfriend on the street with the stuff I have on my video. If I did some meathead MMA triangle kimura bullshit to them, I would have gotten stomped. MMA is simply pr0n for meatheads. Also, I was wearing heavy winter clothes in my vid.
May I also add too, MMA is a sport. A shit sport that is a perversion of what martial arts is supposed to be. MMA lacks an ethos and any real world defenses. It's funny to see MMA guys walk into a TMA gym thinking they're the shit only to get owned.
ITF and other TMAs are the future of MMA & meatheads can't stand it because they're too dumb to learn martial arts technique. By the way, let's see you use that MMA shit in the ghetto. You'll probably get stomped on by their friends.
plus, the general took tkd out, so south korean trying to make the new tkd, the government know nothing about martial art. and most people consider that the one giving tkd the bad name are WTF
here we go this is an example of ITF TKD hand techniques, notice the guy is using kicks at long range and punches when he is close enough for that: /watch?v=8jhOFHLp7Rs
neutrino78x 6 months ago
lool they forgot the prt where he is 14 and 12 or something like dat
poganla123 6 months ago
Just for those who are missing the point, Lukasz "Juras" Jurkowski is an ITF TKD Practitioner. He is the main focus of these. /watch?v=8048hXhXKs4 - Same guy, only occassionally wearing a Dobok.
Also, ITF TKD does teach Takedowns. And Ground Fighting. So does KKW WTF TKD, only not as much.
Caeviens 7 months ago
@Caeviens the itf does not teach anything effective for grappling ,not a single thing,neither does the wtf.You may see some takedowns in the encyclopedia but they ont work and never spar with them so cant o them.All the grappling you see lukas doing is from cross training.He has been training full contact for years,its really kickboxing.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 Really? Thats why yesterday, we were taking each other down, and trying to force each other into Submissions, and/or GnP. 30 Second Rounds, Light Contact Striking, No holds otherwise barred. Let alone Clinching, Throws, Takendowns, Pins, Jointlocks, and various applications of Elbows. I also know that this isnt just where i Train. I also know there are currently Three ITFs for various silly reasons, and only Two of them fight Competitively. Perhaps only one of them includes Grappling.
Caeviens 6 months ago
@Caeviens itf tkd does not include anything you trained in then,but your coach may just be interested or have background in those areas,its not itf tkd and its not in their syllabus,gen choi had zero experience in any arts that included those methods so it was never included.Look in the encyclopedia,its not there an the pissweak grappling that is shown is predetermine crap that woul never work.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 Ive been to numerous Dojangs around the Country. I assure you, they all teach the same stuff.
Caeviens 6 months ago
@Caeviens if its a registered itf school,the will not be training like that,there are itf style schools that can do what they wish but they are not membrs of the itf which is ultra traditional,exactly by the syllabus schools.For example i was once a member of hee il chos group,which was itf style but not an itf member,we grappled and also full contact sparred and even mma style sparred at times.Itf style means you o the itf patterns and spar light contact kickboxing rules as opposed to wtf.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 We partake in all the same events as other ITF Schools, as well as the recent World Tournament. Sparring is Semi-Contact, as oppose to Light, however; Unless its within the Dojang.
Caeviens 6 months ago
@scarred10 And i dont mean the one which doesnt Compete in anything.
Caeviens 6 months ago
many martial artists do not know about taekwondo hosinsul. there are a lot of takedown techniques in taekwondo hosinsul. there are many taekwondo practitioners who are very good at takedown. they are as good as jujitsu practitioners or judo practitioners.
spiritofmuye 8 months ago
@spiritofmuye yep, at our studio when I was in high school we were doing that on day 1. although we didn't call things by the korean name. The instructor at that studio taught very practical and effective TKD, although it wasn't a very "spiritual" method. I think if I go back into martial arts, I will look for something more "spiritual" yet stll formless. Maybe a Jeet Kune Do studio that comes from a more spiritual perspective, I dunno.
neutrino78x 8 months ago
grappling attack used in mma is simple because of upper body without clothes. catching back sides of knees with hands is main grappling technique for takedown. taekwondo has this grappling technique too. defense of grappling attack is also simple. making legs back and upper body forward will defend well.
spiritofmuye 8 months ago
and, TKD most definitely does teach working with the hands. at our studio, we learned (Korean) boxing first, then learned kicks later. We also did exercises in most sessions where we only used hands. As I said, there are no useless martial arts, only useless martial artists.
neutrino78x 8 months ago
@neutrino78x there are indeed useleess martial arts ,most of them are pure useless and tkd is one of them.There is no such thing as korean boxing.ITF TK TEACHES punches ,not how to use them properly,that would be boxing.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 there is indeed korean kickboxing, and that is "tae kwon do". As opposed to Japanese kickboxing, that would be "karate". Chinese kickboxing would be "Wing Chun" or "wushu". Western boxing would be "boxing". If you go to a good ITF TKD studio, they will teach you hand techniques, that is to say, boxing, before kicking. If you look at a video on here of western kickboxing vs ITF TKD, it will be difficult to tell them apart. It is the practitioner who makes the difference.
neutrino78x 6 months ago
@neutrino78x tkd is a trad martial art ,it is definitely not kickboxing,they spend very little time sparring and its light contact not full with far greater use of the legs an way less hands.Chinese kickboxing is likewise nothing to do with wing chun nor karate japanese kickboxing.If rules allow tkd will look similar to kickboxing,they efinitely ont teach boxing in tkd,they teach hand techs and its not boxing,its pissweak punching without any fudamentals.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 ITF TKD is practiced full contact, and ITF TKD does use hand/boxing techniques. If you think TKD does not teach boxing, you have never studied itf tkd. Karate, TKD, and WC are all examples of the equivalent of kickboxing (emphasis on striking with hands and feet).
neutrino78x 6 months ago
@neutrino78x the only itf that allows full contact is the very limited number of itf pro tournaments,everything else is officially light contact although refs may vary in strictness.I did itf for 17 yrs ,the last few years while thai boxing also.itf tkd looks like kickboxing if the rules allow it,WC and karate look nothing like it.Punching is not boxing,boxing has specific posture,defenses and elivery ,you wont find these in tkd unless your coach actually boxed,I did so I always taught it.
scarred10 6 months ago
@scarred10 you're being too literal. What I mean is that WC, Karate, and TKD all use similar punching and kicking techniques, and it is difficult to differentiate them in a real fight (although WC hand techniques would probably be a little more identifiable than Karate vs TKD). I did ITF TKD in high school, for example, and we always used a boxer stance for sparring.
neutrino78x 6 months ago
@neutrino78x every striking style uses kicks and punches and look like very poor standard kickboxing when sparring.However the reason they are pisspoor is because they havent learned how to kickbox nor box from a legit coach, they are merely throwing strikes without fundamental skills.Using a boxers stance is not boxing,there are some tkd lads with very good hands eg tapilatu,barada,lukaz but they all have extensive kickboxing training where lots of time is spent on hands .
scarred10 6 months ago
@neutrino78x here is an example of how similar different forms of kickboxing are. this is TKD vs MT /watch?v=cGC6pDRxm4I (add that to you tube dot com) I'm not sure if he is ITF or WTF though.In ITF I would expect him to have used boxing (hand strikes) when they were closer than kicking range.
neutrino78x 6 months ago
@neutrino78x once again ,punching is not boxing,the tkd lads who can actually punch well have trained with coaches who understand boxing
scarred10 6 months ago
In mma you need takedown techniques of attack and defense. If you want to fight with striking with standing position, you should practice takedown defense because you can't keep standing position without takedown defense. When you are good at takedown defense, then you can fight with striking with standing position.
spiritofmuye 8 months ago
is taekwondo WTF not itf, the dobok is taekwondo wtf
TKDman80 9 months ago
Why do I see so many vids that have "TKD vs MMA"? MMA is NOT a fighting disipline, but simply trained organized combat. TKD is a martial arts that places much emphasis on kicks, but also incoporates open and closed hand strikes, and grappling defense (ITF-style TKD does).
I DON'T practice any fighting disipline, but I will say that I do know much more than those who claim to do.
ApollosInsight 1 year ago
@ApollosInsight combat and fighting are the same thing,if you havent trained for at least a decade and fought lots ,you know little about combat.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 I don't have to train for a fight to know that ppl are just stupid for believing or presenting that MMA is another fighting disipline rather than organized combat. Yes, you ought to prepare to fight in an MMA organization, but what these YT losers are doing is pitting an organization against a fighting disipline.
You follow me?
ApollosInsight 1 year ago
@ApollosInsight mma isnt an organisation ,its a set of rules and nowadays it represents a style of teaching as nearly every mma gym teachings the same arts.Id agree there are a pack of clowns on youtube generally.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 MMA IS an organization, NOT a teaching style. That's why they have rules b/c it's ORGANIZED. The rules in MMA determine what techniques are and aren't allowed to provide safety and consistency among all participants. And the point of an MMA gym is so those who do have a martial arts background can know how to use certain techniques under the organization's rules, not to train them how to fight.
ApollosInsight 1 year ago
@ApollosInsight mma is a combat sport that is of course organised.However mma isnt an organisation,the events like the ufc/strikeforce are businesses.There is no such thing as an mma organisation yet.An mma gym exists solely to teach people how to fight within its rules.Today many mma beginners have no previous training in other styles,this wasnt true years ago
billysue2 1 year ago
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@billysue2 Check my blog that explains why MMA has these myths & dogmas that say grappling is superior to striking & MMA is superior to traditonal martilal arts when it comes to combat. I will explain how this is untrue & how it develop & how it will be & is being proven!! STRIKING & STRIKERS r & will DOMINATE MMA from now on!! MMA False dogmas & myths EXPOSED!!
eighttripalm3 9 months ago
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@ApollosInsight Check my blog that explains why MMA has these myths & dogmas that say grappling is superior to striking & MMA is superior to traditonal martilal arts when it comes to combat. I will explain how this is untrue & how it develop & how it will be & is being proven!! STRIKING & STRIKERS r & will DOMINATE MMA from now on!! MMA False dogmas & myths EXPOSED!!
eighttripalm3 9 months ago
@ApollosInsight I know much more than you will ever know. Partly, because you're an idiot if you've never fought and are trying to tell us how to fight. secondly, Why are you commenting here? Gtfo my youtube, with your no combat ass. TKD is useless, end of story.
kintle182 8 months ago
@kintle182 there are no useless martial arts, only useless martial artists. just because you do BJJ doesn't make you as good as Gracie, and just because someone does TKD doesn't make them as good as chuck norris, just because you do Aikido doesn't make you as good as steven segal.
neutrino78x 8 months ago
@neutrino78x TKD and aikido are a joke in the martial arts world. Every time i walk in to the combat room at my gym, i see aikido and TKD guys in there training, thats cool. I ask them to spar, because my MMA group hasn't showed up yet, and when i spar them they know nothing. Nothing at all. Aikdio guys try stupid wrist throws that will NEVER work....ever. TKD guys try kicks that they know will never work, but do anyways. Both extremely useless.
kintle182 8 months ago
@kintle182 seems quite useful in the video on which we are commenting.
neutrino78x 8 months ago
@neutrino78x It seems very unuseful in the video also. MMA won everything in the video...
kintle182 8 months ago
@kintle182 looks to me that the TKD guy won.
neutrino78x 7 months ago
@kintle182 So, instead of discussing this, you'd rather insult me b/c you don't agree w/ me? Tell you what, if you're that eager to believe that TKD is useless, go to South Korea, find a TKD fighter in your weight class, and challenge him to a fight. That way, you can prove that any brainless, talentless person like you can overcome the disipline of the "phony" TKD.
ApollosInsight 8 months ago
if u know how to use tkd, then nobody can beat u up!
sharkman170 1 year ago
The Eastern Europeans love their full contact TKD. I think the ITF should adopt similar rules to karate, full contact to the body and controlled contact to the head. Light contact sparring seems incongruous with the other aspects of TKD which teach so much power.
micirv20 1 year ago
what is the name of the song of juraz xd
Zeighent 1 year ago
and itf´s lines the majority are very comercial and they don´t teach the traditional tae kwon do...the wtf is olimpic...itf is comercial...but there are many instructor who teach very good tae kwon do...if you didn´t practice tkd..please¡¡¡¡ not comment...
feder459 1 year ago 2
@feder459 Taekwondo means way of the hand and foot, which part of wtf covers the hand part? ITF is not traditional but its the closest you will get
vicious12394 1 year ago
@feder459in my country i know a lot of school who do tkditf for love of that martial art,like my school,my instructor have to pay of his wallet for rent a classroom.but the wtf is te mother of the comercial martial art(if we can gave that name).im 3dan black degree of tkd wtf and 1dan degree of tkd itf,,and i leave out of the wtf because the thecniqes dont have a really use, the exam was so easy,if you pay you pass,itf its a martial art,have a really fight use,wtf is olimpic because is a sport
AleG50 1 year ago
LOL @ TKD some fans getting excited over this:
This is a TKD fighter fighting MMA, i.e. combining bjj, boxing, Muai Tai, etc.
This is not an example of TKD vs MMA.
P.S.: I love TKD.
eayottes 1 year ago 2
nice boxing and mma
jrcuri72 1 year ago
And who was that genius who once said that TKD can´t survive against MMA?
Pohjoisennuijamies 2 years ago 2
I dont see TKD here. I see two MMA guys. get over it kid. Theres a reason nobody fights in a TKD style in K1 or MMA. Even this fucker above doesn't fight in a TKD style. USing a spinning back kick every now and then does not constitute TKD.
ephasm 2 years ago
Yeah, semantics. What I mean is that there are lots of people, who say that TKD is useless and etc. But this guy is able to use what he learned from TKD, and it works. And I know, that he wasn´t purely using TKD, but consider it this way: If someone uses Muay Thai in MMA, everone is like, "Muay Thai is best everything else sucks."
Pohjoisennuijamies 2 years ago
Well I cna look at that guy fighting and tell you for sure that most of his effective techniques he didn't learn from TKD before he went in the MMA ring.
I see boxing training - he certianly didn't learn to box in TKD. He certainly didn't learn to grapple. the only thing I see above is a spinning back kick and some very shit roundhouses hitting with the foot of all things.
Whereas if someone uses muay thai people honeslty CAN say its awesome because it DOES everything striking wise.
ephasm 2 years ago
@ephasm his skill and accuracy with punching and kicking come from TKD it is obvious that he has cross trained in with jiujitsu, judo, .
you are uneducated about TKD ... TKD does teach hands but the perception is its only kicks. Also kicking with the feet is an accuracy thing. kicking with the shin is a bludgening thing... TKD has both but you have to train at the right school.... Olympic TKD is no good for MMA.
Muay Thai also need extensive cross training to be effective in MMA
Oquirke 1 year ago
No, sorry. Bullshit. You don't learn how to punch in TKD. I'm not saying hands aren't in it - I'm saying you don't have a fucking clue what you're doing with them. Accuracy with punching doesn't come with TKD - it comes with training your hands PROPERLY - something you don't get in TKD.
Try kicking with the shin PROPERLY, before you think you know anything about how to throw one.
ephasm 1 year ago
@ephasm Your funny ... I would like to see if you think I do not have a clue of what I am doing.... Team Quest seems to think I do.
Your just a tough guy who thinks he knows what he is talking about ... come talk to me in 25 years when you have studied as much as I have.
or go to Thailand and see if you can find the retired fighters..... they will be the ones on the street with no lower legs because of "compartments syndrom"
Oquirke 1 year ago
I've been to thailand a few times mate. Again, don't talk about something you clearly don't have any knowledge of. 25 wasted years by the sounds of it.
ephasm 1 year ago
@ephasm my buddy thats happen when you do tkd wtf,in itf we have 2000 hands techniqes,1200 foots techniqes(tkd itf manual),,and we use a lot of them...imagine you,,,we start to use foot techniqes in form o pattern(tuls) when we are yellow point green(dosan)previously we only have hands techniqes in the forms or patterns,,,until that the pattern still have so much hands techniqes than foots techniqes,,greetings
AleG50 1 year ago
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AleG50 1 year ago
@ephasm buddy,,you are so wrong,,that happens when you do wtf tkd,,,tkd itf(the style of lukas juraz) have 2000 hands techniqes and 1200 foots techniqes,,,imagine the important of hand tecnhniqes are...tkd pattern or forms start to use foot thecniqes in yellow green point pattern(dosan),previosly pattern are only hands techniqes,,greetings,,and search in youtube fights or ko of tkd itf,,
AleG50 1 year ago
@AleG50 mate, boxing in TKD is a joke. Not to mention that using the shitty ass stance you do you CANT box effectively.
ephasm 1 year ago
@ephasm NOBODY SAYS THAT IN TKD YOU USE BOXING.... THAT IS A SHIT.... IN SOME SCHOOLS OF TKD YOU LEARN GRIP MOVEMENTS BUT IT NOT DEPENDS IF I DO BOX OR NOT IT DEPENDS FROM MY PERSONAL TRAINING...YOU ARE SO IGNORANT THAT IN HIS STUPID LIFE ONLY PRACTICED MUAY THAI....PLEASE I DONT SPEAK IN THIS WAY BUT YOU HAD SPOKEN FIRST IN THIS BAD WAY....PARDON¡
feder459 1 year ago
@feder459 I don't even know where to respond. You make no valid or sensible point that i can see and Im not sure if thats due to the lack of grammar or not. Maybe i was just blinded by the caps lock.
ephasm 1 year ago
@ephasm Oh Sorry¡ I havent got a good english I am argentinian, and I tried to speak to you in your language, but I was so angry when I read your comment that I didnt care the grammar... :S
feder459 1 year ago
@ephasm @ephasm NOBODY SAYS THAT IN TKD YOU USE BOXING.... THAT IS A SHIT.... IN SOME SCHOOLS OF TKD YOU LEARN GRIP MOVEMENTS BUT IT NOT DEPENDS IF I DO BOX OR NOT IT DEPENDS FROM MY PERSONAL TRAINING...YOU ARE SO IGNORANT THAT IN HIS STUPID LIFE ONLY PRACTICED MUAY THAI....PLEASE I DONT SPEAK IN THIS WAY BUT YOU HAD SPOKEN FIRST IN THIS BAD WAY....PARDON¡
feder459 1 year ago
@feder459 you cant speak english lad,how can anyone understand you.
billysue2 1 year ago
@AleG50 it wouldnt matter if they had a million hand techs,they cant use any of them effectively.Boxing has 4 hand techs,thats all you need.Patterns have nothing to do with fighting or self defense.I trained itf for 17 years and fought internationally a few times for ireland and believe me nobody had good hands compared to even an averge boxer.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 its real buddy,i dont say tkd is better with the hand use than the boxing,and i know that.i do box since i have 8 year(my father was a boxer)i only says the tkd is not only foot( a lot of people think that),the wtf give that image to all the world.the itf use all the hands(fingers too) and the perfection of the fighter is the mma fighter(the name says:Mixed martial art)i dont think a martial art its better than another,a figther is better than other,greetingsand sorry for my english
AleG50 1 year ago
@AleG50 itf doesnt teach you how to use your hands in sparring effectively and thats the most important aspect of fighting
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 i dont know what style of itf do you do,but my sabonim teach how to use hand(we practice 5 days in the weeks 3hours for day,saturday 5 hours=1 for hand,1 for foot,2 phisical fitness,and saturday we do fight,pattern and self defence),but i repeat no martial art its better than other.a fighter is better than other,the way how to use your hand depends 50%of your master and 50%of you,and i mean the tkd is not only foot thats the image of the people,but the box its the best with hand use
AleG50 1 year ago
@AleG50 theres only 1 style of itf,gen chois 1 and leaning how to box was never included,if the coach has a background in it that has nothing to do with tkd.Its not a practical style because of no full contact,no leg kicks ,no clinch and no ground.The way you train has everything to do with your art and therefore a lot to do with how good a fighter you can be.Do you think someone who doesnt ever spar could be a good fighter?Many styles do no sparring whatsoever and some only make light contact.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 absolutely right!
rokkvi1 1 year ago
@billysue2 ".Its not a practical style because of no full contact,no leg kicks ,no clinch and no ground." <--- I disagree on all three counts. there are videos on here showing full contact TKD. it sounds like you might be talking about WTF TKD; the WTF is the organization that oversees TKD as an olympic sport. But if you go to an ITF studio, you learn hand strikes and anti-grappling. In fact, at the studio where I went, anti-grappling was taught on day 1.
neutrino78x 1 year ago
@neutrino78x let me correct you there.Wtf is always full contact but no head punches.ITF is officially light conatct but there is ITF pro which is full contact , for elite players but only just starting.ITF doesnt teach effective boxing technique ,definitely doesnt teach defensive grappling in a live way( wrestling sparring) and features zero ground defense.If youre not free wrestling you arent learning any thing about grappling.I spent 17 yrs in The ITF,age 12 to 29.
billysue2 1 year ago
@billysue2 well, we did good hand striking and anti-grappling that at the studio I went to. Anti-grappling was day 1. Of course, there are different interpretations of TKD, even within ITF. In TKD we generally anti-grapple; if we are forced to go the ground, our goal is to get back up, not to try to submit the other person.
neutrino78x 1 year ago
@neutrino78x If you did "anti-grappling" then you didn't actually learn anything. You have to know how to grapple in order to prevent it. that "aikido" and "tae kwon do" anti-grappling shit dosent work...in the slightest.
kintle182 8 months ago
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AleG50 1 year ago
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AleG50 1 year ago
@Oquirke jajaja...it depends from the medical student not from the martial art....all the martial arts teach how to puch or kick....you have to train it...so...it is importatnt the fighter not the brand(martial art)¡¡¡¡
feder459 1 year ago
@feder459 wrong bjj doesnt teach you how to punch or kick
FMBRKW 1 year ago
@ephasm He uses a crecent kick in 1:10, & a side piercing kick in :13 & :39. He also uses a hammerfist in 1:23.
Crecent kicks, hammer fists and side piercing kicks are the bread and butter of taekwondo. This guy is a pure taekwondoin. Sorry MMA meathead faggots, he's one of ours.
P.S. the reason why you don't see WTF in MMA is because WTF teachers suck. I'm a first Dan in WTF and I've learned more as a green stripe in ITF than I ever did as a black belt in WTF.
EelSacul 2 years ago
Hate to break it to you kid, but he didnt learn to box, grapple, clinch or wrestle in TKd. That guard and stance isn't TKD and judging by the fact that he doesnt bounce at all or spend half the fight backing away looking to score with a single uber death dragon reverse spin tornado kick, his overall style isn't TKD.
Just because someone cme from a TKD background doesnt mean everything he does is TKD. Dunno why you idiots claim that all the time. "we can box" lol.
ephasm 2 years ago
Actually, in ITF schools, you're taught to box, grapple, clinch and wrestle. It's part of the new ITF curriculum. And we don't do that tornado spin flash in ITF, just punches and kicks. And by the way, I kicked two thugs asses when they harrassed my girlfriend on the street with the stuff I have on my video. If I did some meathead MMA triangle kimura bullshit to them, I would have gotten stomped. MMA is simply pr0n for meatheads. Also, I was wearing heavy winter clothes in my vid.
EelSacul 2 years ago
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LMAO "box, grapple, clinch and wrestle. It's part of the new ITF curriculum."
Hey, why dont u add some swords and label them as ITF to! LOL
Add guns to your curriculum as well!LOL
your a TKD meathead, just as stupid as your fellow MMA meatheads. Hey, i have a honest quesion for you- which martial art is better?
TKD or MMA?...LOL- i should stop making fun of u, meatheads will be meatheads...
ikcjjtt 2 years ago
May I also add too, MMA is a sport. A shit sport that is a perversion of what martial arts is supposed to be. MMA lacks an ethos and any real world defenses. It's funny to see MMA guys walk into a TMA gym thinking they're the shit only to get owned.
ITF and other TMAs are the future of MMA & meatheads can't stand it because they're too dumb to learn martial arts technique. By the way, let's see you use that MMA shit in the ghetto. You'll probably get stomped on by their friends.
EelSacul 2 years ago
that mma fighter is a pussy, sorry but itf taekwondo isnt a fighting style its more traditional
LocustsAreSwarming 2 years ago
not really, it is use for military, all the pattern are related for fighting
nickanhtran 2 years ago
no they do wtf style taekwondo in the south Korean army...do you even jknow what Kukkiwan is?
LocustsAreSwarming 2 years ago
plus, the general took tkd out, so south korean trying to make the new tkd, the government know nothing about martial art. and most people consider that the one giving tkd the bad name are WTF
nickanhtran 2 years ago
i do wtf, i could beat any itf competitor in my weight category that i know of and i'm not amazing in the wtf circuit.
LocustsAreSwarming 2 years ago
you trust on kukkiwon? hahahaha, have you ever see a WTF fighter go like that, they all lose
nickanhtran 2 years ago
post some vids of you fighting or training online?
LocustsAreSwarming 2 years ago
Where are all the Sherdog and Bullshido fags hanging out at? Come on, Sherdog and Bullshido fags, stick up for your MMA guy?
EelSacul 2 years ago