Classic Inline Skating Technique ... (Stride-3)

[ReilyStfler]

boa!



[AsyrKrysA]

Thank you so much @GrooveMan64 !!!

[AsyrKrysA]

Please!!! could anyone tell me the name of this song?!?!?!

[GrooveMan64]

@AsyrKrysA - Song Name is "Dawn Fog", Artist is "MusicShake" - You can find it on Amazon.com if you Google "Dawn Fog MusicShake"

[thecrazyguy4000]

ok first of all too long of arm swings she barely goin like ten and long arm swing only waste energy

[wardeport]

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[nttchaves]

PARABÉNSSSS!!!

[0aintseennothingyet0]

I finished my second inline-skating lesson today. Then I found this video. I am inspired! And motivated! Thank you.

[GrooveMan64]

"Delay set-down", in my opinion, is a method used mostly for the double push technique, and not in the classic skating technique. In double push, the glide is not emphasized, but the under-push is. The more delay or pause between the push and the later the set-down, the greater the abductor muscle have to pull the body over for weight transfer, thus resulting in a bigger and longer under-push, or second push.

YouTube video w/ "Delay Set-down" in DP:

"Chad Hedrick - Inline Race - Slow Motion"

[Radughiudem]

Well i see a problem in the weight transfer. I don't see that little delay between push and support leg set down, if you know what i mean, used in ice skating technique. Correct me if i'm wrong.

[GrooveMan64]

@Radughiudem I'm not sure if you have done any long track or short track speed skating on ice before. In traditional and classical skating, having both skates being together and side by side is really emphasized, as well as a really long glide phase from as EARLY a set down as possible. There is a difference between INCOMPLETED weight transfer and EARLY SETDOWN. The instructor in the video has an early setdown for sure, but her weight transfer is all the way, no "A-Framing"...

[Ellytz1]

Beautiful video !

[tomangelko]

Beautiful video. I love the music, what is it?

Where is this filmed?

[GrooveMan64]

@tomangelko I got the sound track from YouTube's list of FREE music tracks.

This video was filmed in South Korea.

[scienceandskating]

@GrooveMan64

GrooveMan64--Thank you so much for this video. I see now that you apparently did all the editing and laid down the audio track. Who shot the video? You have a popular contribution here. Can you elaborate more for us? Miss Hwang might deserve a tad more recognition now as a result of your presentation.  You've generated interest in her, too, beyond your own much-appreciated craftsmanship.

[CosteaCalin]

why does he run in slow mo?

[GrooveMan64]

@CosteaCalin The person skating is a girl (SHE)... she is SKATING, not running... The "Slow Mo" is a feature of the video editing, used in this video to slow down her skating movement so that you can she everything she does clearly (her LOW crouched position, timing and position of her arm swings relative to her push, and recovery strokes, etc)

[stevebul]

I thought classic technique was more side to side with trying to place the recovery skate past the center point so that you get as much outside edge as possible in the push and then the other skate does the same thing. Bringing the the recovery skate back behind you starts to get into the so called double push technique. You can go really fast and smooth with the side to side beyond center line outside edge style. Works better in a paceline than trying to do double push.

[GrooveMan64]

@stevebul - Hey Steve, classic technique is all about the static glide after the supporting skate has set down and landed right after a full push on the other skate. Setting down the supporting skate on a slight outside edge is desirable for gliding stability and can maintain the static glide better, but it is NOT a requirement for this technique. Having the recovery skate swung around a D-Shape and back "PAST" your center line is also NOT a requirement of the classic technique.

[GrooveMan64]

@stevebul - The big difference between Double Push and the Classic Technique is that with Classic, your supporting or gliding skate stay absolutely still after set down (with optional outside edge set down), whereas in DP, the outside edge set down is KEY in setting up the ACTIVE UNDER-PUSH that is to happen immediately after the INITIAL Regular Push, and right after the supporting skate have just set down. The recovery skate past center will help the outside edge heel carve to be stronger.

[lepsulet]

it is... all the way... beautiful !!! love it !

[onlinelandsales]

This skater is not skating in a straight line. If this is classic, shouldn't she placing the skate back to the ground in the same imaginary straight line as the other skate was place on?

[vibratingstring]

This isn't "classic." It is contrived. Nobody holds their foot up like that. Nobody stops the motion!

Where'd you cook this up? Watch any great ice speed skater and you see fluid motion. Not stop-action.

[GrooveMan64]

@vibratingstring

DUH... This is a ``Training`` technique demo video by an inline skating instructor, of course everything she shows is ``contrived`` and deliberate, for the purpose of emphasizing the important bits in this skating pattern!

If you have ever been coached in ice speed skating such as long track or short track, this is actually one of the training drill movement, to emphasize the synchronizing phase of the arm swing relative to the skate recovery between skating strokes or pushes.

[GrooveMan64]

@GrooveMan64 Once a person has mastered the deliberate timing of the arm swing in relation to the pushing and recovery of the skate, as well as the degree of the arm swing and the D-Shape skate recovery, as well as the slight round back in her form, he or she can progress further to speeding this skating pattern up and linking all the above learned movement in a fluid fashion, while still holding good form and perfect timing. She obviously did not demo the sped-up form...

[GrooveMan64]

@GrooveMan64 She is showing a `deliberate` PAUSE between each push and glide phase, where in a non-training situation, this big timing pause will not exist, and everything will be continuous.

[vibratingstring]

@GrooveMan64

OK on that. But your title and description, "Video of Inline Instructor "Hea-Jeong, Hwang" demonstrating the Classic Inline Technique (as oppose to the double-push skating technique)" doesn't describe it as an exercise or drill.

If you are already an accomplished hockey skater, then what? I don't think timing of arm swing needs to be relearned...but I have noticed for myself that rollerblades are strange beasts compared to ice hockey skates.

[vibratingstring]

@vibratingstring

This whole "double push" thing looked preposterous and goofy, until I tried it. I think it should be better described as "pumping" or something. It really isn't all that different from something that hockey skaters do naturally at times, especially when goofing around. That is, recovering onto the outside edge and "scalloping".

Playing with this scalloping on rollerblades, the real advantage has to do with vectors and velocity. When you are going fast, you "run out of gearing

[vibratingstring]

@vibratingstring

--when you are crouched as low as you can go, and pushing very vigorously, when you get to 30 MPH or so, you just can't push fast enough. But scalloping can generate a forward force out of much less foot velocity. That is I believe what the gains are from.

Interestingly, Ice is still faster than Inline for 500 to 1000 meters, or not?

[GrooveMan64]

@vibratingstring - Hey, I think you meant to say "Sculling" instead of "Scalloping"... LOL! I agree, the DP technique, when done right with good timing, feel exactly like a "continuous motion pump", in which the GAS is never off, not for even a split second, whereas the classic technique has this big pause in acceleration while you are in the glide phase. In DP, you keep on accelerate with both the regular push and the under-push. I also agree with you that DP is way more efficient on inline.

[leonghk12]

cameraman can skate backwards at the same speed :)

[MrArmandski]

@leonghk12 he probally is just holding the camera behind him

[OmgItzLooteater]

this is retarded..she just throws her arms up and keeps them there for like 5 seconds,she isnt even going fast enough to do that..

[lotsofrasberries]

dude she's prolly doing like 25-30, just showing proper follow through technique, it helps your balance between pushes...plus the music is touching ; )

[mbr05c]

@lotsofrasberries She's not doing 25-30. Trust me on that one. Maybe closer to 16-20mph.

[GrooveMan64]

Another example of the Classic Speed Skating technique, done via long track ice speed clap skates:

Video Title: Last LT Day at ROO - edit.m4v

Video ID: i2rRhjVwygQ

[jolajudo61]

Bardzo dziękuję za ten cudowny obraz i muzykę.Jestem pod wielkim wrażeniem mistrzowskiego kunsztu jaki pokazuje nam ta wspaniała zawodniczka.Chylę czoła przed nią i życzę ,aby spełniły się jej wszystkie najskrytsze marzenia.Ten cudowny trening w jej wykonaniu będzie mi zawsze towarzyszył,gdy będzie mi smutno i samotnie.Raz jeszcze bardzo mocno dziękuję za wszystko dobro związane z tym FILMEM.

[carlopontevolpe]

I think this technique is better than double push...isn'it??? I mean, that famous second push is not so helpful if you consider the friction caused by the fact you are skating on the external line of the wheels...in addition the trajectory is more linear in this technique...if double push is better why Speed Skating Olympic athlets don't use it??? Or double push is usable on wheels only...(please answer)

[GrooveMan64]

Double Push, although it can be technically done on ice, is not anywhere nearly as effective as when it is done on inline skates, especially on the "heel carve" portion, which is nearly impossible to do on long track or short track blade, because you will flip over on your outside edge if you try.

On inline skates, DP is very effective, compare to classic, is a continuous form of propulsion, which when done with right timing and rhythm, saves energy as well as produce massive speed gains.

[MrSubhanallah]

Poetry in motion as they say!!!!

Thanks for posting.

[brow0025]

She's setting down her recovery leg too early. The recovery leg should set down at the end of the push. If you put the recovery leg down too early then your push will cause your glide leg to veer in the other direction and you'll skate big sine waves (as she does). If the recovery leg comes down at the very end of the push then you'll not only skate a straighter track but you'll have more power in your push.

[GrooveMan64]

Classic Technique skating strides emphazie long powerful strides, in that regard, she is doing the recovery leg set down at exactly the right time (early)... because setting down the recovery leg down at end of the push will cut down nearly half the gliding distance... I known because I also do long track ice speed skating, and I have experimented on this exact issue.

[lsmike]

Brow is right, I'm afraid. As good as her stride is, this is a small flaw. Skating should be one-footed, else you're robbing a lot of power.

[GrooveMan64]

Nowadays, with extremely smooth ceremic bearings and gaint size 110 mm inline wheels, the classic technique "gliding phase" on inline skates could be almost as effective as ice...  so by setting down early and spent 50% of every push on two feet to glide can be very powerful and fast.

As I move from 5x84 mm to 4x100mm to finally 4x110mm, I really feel the longer glide by early set down becomes more and more do-able and powerful, and less turnovers of strokes... just my actual experience!

[lsmike]

Sorry, but that means poor and slowed weight transfer. Setdown should be delayed for as long as possible. If you don't agree with me, why not try debating this with Bill Begg on the Bont forum?

I suspect that if we had race footage of this lady, you'd see her skating much more one-footed than she is for this slowed down demonstration. Her technique is so beautiful and smooth, and of such high quality that I'm sure the two-foot skating is just an artifact of the demo.

[GrooveMan64]

Go watch the Video called

"Training with Bill Begg",

video ID is: pPkX3sd5Wi0

watch his daughter demoed between 2:05 to 2:11, and listen to everything Bill says about D-recovery and shooting through from the back, setting down early beside the pushing skate and glide through... for sure this very very classic technique is NOT setting down at the last possible second.

If you have done any ice short or long track, we would not be debating this, LOL!

[lsmike]

OK, so some points:

That video with Bill coaching doesn't confirm your points.

I've chatted with Bill and he confirms my point of view. Setdown on one skate should be close to the end of the push on the other skate. The glide is on one foot and comes from the big, closed, and far back D-shaped recovery he was talking about in the video you linked.

Sebastian Baumgartner and Eddy Matzger also teach one-footedness.

Ice technique - well, this debate is about inlines, not ice.

[lsmike]

Still, thanks for raising the point. I enjoyed thinking about why one-footedness is so important, and the chance to test my teaching and understanding. I'm not averse to admitting when I'm wrong.

[GrooveMan64]

Check out this video for another fine example of the Classic Skating Technique, on Long Tracke Ice...

Search for "Schaatsen op Haarlem" on YouTube search box...

The Video ID is: 6-tUn9yr3PY

[Quick209]

Classic style is the basics of all speed skating styles, including with the double push. You learn classic first. If your primary push is weak and form is off you will find it hard to get a good double push. A double push is a second push after the primary push and is done by the supporting leg by you extending it into a inside like carve on the outside edge of the skate. It can be seen by the momentary inward stroke of the support like during recovery before it pushes out.

[clavinovaMusic]

I m new in Seed Skating. What is the difeerence between Double Push and Classic technique. Thanks for the help.

[dschayaky]

ehm...so i´m not involved in the speed skating scene. but i think i know what the difference is. so at the classic technique the leg, which don´t push at the moment, just stay. if you use the double push the leg don´t stay. you make a strong push at the opposite direction which your body goes.

i hope you understand me ^^ :D so for example look on the video "world´s fastest" on the right side in the box "similar videos". there you see it. i hope i could help...

[clavinovaMusic]

Thank you!!

[CZpersi]

This video has some poetry in it. It is just beutiful to watch the ease of human movement.

[scienceandskating]

@CZpersi

I ditto both you & lotsofraspberries. Watching Hea Jeong, Hwang with that background music is sometimes a daily inspiration for me. The fact that I grew up in Korea--though as an American foreigner-- probably draws me to it even more. In the time interval since my informal skating coach first introduced me to this video of Hea Jeong, I subsequently found out I was falling for him. Now the video has indelible ROMANTIC associations attached to it, TOO! It's a powerful punch!!!

[fanou101]

I see two problems. First, she's not taking the most direct path forward ... instead, she's slaloming, which is fun but not very efficient. Second, she's very much arched forward, thereby failing to use her quads, hamstrings, and glutes for support and power.

[jazzawentwild]

it is the proffessional technique, the most efficient, both legs are working all the time, and its pronounced so to help show how she does it

[GrooveMan64]

The 2 problems you see are not problems...

If you know of anyone who have ever been formally trained on Ice Speed Skating, either short track or long track, they could all tell you what the girl doing in the video is standard classic skating technique and strides, which emphaize a very long gliding phase as well as a recovery stroke after every push.

[GrooveMan64]

As to your comment about her being very much arched forward, as opposed to skating in a more upright position, well again, she is showing a very fine example of what a proper LOW position skating stance should be, with a slight round back, all designed to be as aerodynamic as possible, for the purpose of SPEED and lowering air resistance of course.

[GrooveMan64]

If you are a recreational skater and is NOT aspiring to skate as fast as a speed skater, but just using inline skating for general exercise and endurance workout, as in "Fitness" skating going very long distance around some park for fun, then this video may not be as inspirational to you... this video is all about the the most aerodynamic and efficient way to skate and glide with the aim of skating faster, and smoother and with less effort in the long run.

Hope that helps. :o)

[Vairus461]

like a capoeira jinga..

[nene888]

buen equilibrio xd

[skatethespeed]

ecsactliy(?) what i needed to my technique

acctually i am not englisch so....

[santanashow]

muy BUEno lo voy a intentar !