These guys were made to look like Heros in this news story. Far from the truth, they totally pulled a Homer, all thanks to the great King Air 200. A lesser plane they would be dead.
King airs are just amazing, and this video proves it. I suspect why all that happened was I think mabey something hit the winshield, depressurized the cabin, they pass out, they go into freefall go over VNE, THEN all the dents and the Elevator half gone happens. That's my interpretation.
@dearbornerik If they had BOTH been properly trained and experienced, they WOULD NOT have hit the CABIN PRESS DUMP switch. The checklist says to "Raise the cabin altitude to lower the pressure differential and begin a descent." And, NO, the airplane did NOT depressurize when the windshield panel cracked . There are two very thick panels of glass for each of the two windshield halves.
A Kingair won't depressurize when the outer pane shatters, other than loss of forward vision on one side, it's a non event. Most likely, these guys panicked & caused the major structural damage in an emergency decent.
I find it interesting that according to you, the same pilots that would be skilled enough to land an aircraft without the elevators, would also panic and cause major structural failure. I just don't see that happening.
unless of course, all 3 panes suffer some sort of failure, In which case the cabin would depressurize. Granted, the probability of this happening is very low, it is still possible, and without know and seeing the actual aircraft component in question, Everyone here on you-tube is just being an "arm-chair examiner"
@nscoulter "operating at flight altitudes above 10,000 feet, the certificate holder shall provide enough oxygen for each crewmember for the entire flight at those altitudes and not less than a two-hour supply for each flight crewmember on flight deck duty. The required two hours supply is that quantity of oxygen necessary for a constant rate of descent from the airplane's maximum certificated operating altitude to 10,000 feet in ten minutes and followed by 110 minutes at 10,000 feet.FAR 121.331
The KA did good. The pilots are total morons. You don't dump the cabin in any KA when a windshield shatters, If fact you are REQUIRED to maintain a cabin diff of about 2 - 3.6 PSI if memory serves correct. An an inflight failure of the windshield requires no other action on the pilots, you can continue to fly to your destination. (The POH says you clan fly up to 25 hours with the outer pain shattered)
Of the 20 or so KA we work on I'd guess we change on average 2 a year that shatter.
THe plane didn't depressurize because the windshield cracked. The pilots manually depressurized the cabin - before they put their oxygen masks on. (The media doesn't know shit!)
Albert you failed to realize some of these posters are 14 year old "knowitalls" flight simmers. They know everything about everything, INCLUDING newsreporting, how many rivets it takes to completely build a KA200. I am a 63 year old, avid flightsimmer (FS9 AND FS10) but I know squat about real piloting skills.
The men in that plane were Obviously skilled. Mistakes might have been made by both. But in the panic and mental haze of regaining consciousness, they did GOOD!
Flight sim MAYBE helps in some cases with reactions/ habits, but in the real world, there's no Pause button- perhaps thats the most important thing.
Flying has become very expensive, but it doesn't mean that you should resort to sims....
I used to spend a lot of time at home on FS9, but once I started real world flying, It's COMPLETELY different, even the aircraft's dynamics- you'll see...
A freefall is what happens when you disregard prepflight and inflight check off procedures. Kind of like belly fall which almost happened to the same pilot about three months earlier when he failed to use the POH landing checklist and he had to be reminded by groiund personnel to lower his landing gear before landing. I wonder if he is still flying?
@FireSarge30 If you read the FAA report on this accident, you will note the pilot was stupid and irresponsible. "The company pilot’s poor judgment before and during the flight, including turning the oxygen system ready switch to the OFF position after he conducted the preflight inspection and using an unapproved checklist, which did not provide guidance for a fractured windshield and resulted in his depressurizing the airplane." The guy panicked and lucked out in the extreme.
@madisonelectronic Why call me the turd? The pilot was a panicked little fag and doesn't belong in a cockpit. Now go cook some truffles, you little homo.
Amazing Pilots? No. Stupid? Yes. The windshield failed and they dumped the cabin because they thought the windshield would blow out. First of all, the windshield is held in by the pressurization and the airspeed would prevent a "blowout" Secondly, how stupid are you for dumping the cabin before you put your oxygen masks on? Been to Flight Safety lately? That was a gross error in judgment that should have killed them. Landing? Nice landing under those conditions but still stupid overall
"Wanna be's"? OMG, you mean to tell me it's impossible for pilots to frequent youtube and post comments??? You're just jealous because you're flipping burgers on a grill instead of flipping switches in a cockpit.
I'm at CAE SimuFlite right now and we just talked about this incident today. Yeah they did a good job landing the plane and walking away but they pretty much screwed themselves into that situation.
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Tell me Mr. pilot, without looking it up, what the procedure is for an inner and outer pane failure is. The sad thing about you tube is that they allow 1rst year flight instructors with 350 hours or less to post stuff they dont understand. Dont speak with out experience. I bet your a 747 captain, or maybe even the shuttle......dipshit
The flight crew reported they depressurized the airplane after a cracked/shattered windshield. They then donned their oxygen masks but were unable to obtain oxygen from the oxygen system resulting in their loss of consciousness. They later regained consciousness, recovered from the descent, and landed without further incident at Cape Girardeau Regional Airport
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Let me guess you were there right, in the airplane, or there during the investigation, or on the runway when the plane landed right? If not dont talk shit asshole. If so then still dont talk shit im sure this has happened to you and you did an excellent job at and are an expert right? If you are with the FAA then i dont see why it is your business to post this info on youtube of all places. My husband and his friend are excellent pilots. So fuck off!
Who are you and why is this your business? You still did not answer my question? What gives you the right to speculate on the incident? If you are with the FAA this is not something that you need to be discussing on YOUTUBE!
Lets be clear.. The window did not "blow out" the outer pain cracked, the pressurization of the aircraft was not affected. The checklist calls for the pilots to reduce the DP to below 3 PSI if i remember rightly, they took this to mean to hit the DUMP vale, then when they went to don oxygen masks found the cylinder was empty. So 1 poor pre flight, 2 follow the checklist.
I have 12,500 hours in King Airs and have this happen to me 3 times. Follow the checklist and it's a non-event. Except for the cost of a new windshield!!
Hey...I'd love to be able to show this video in one my training courses. Does anyone know if it is possible to download it anywhere? I won't have internet access in class. Greatly appreciated if anyone can help out.
This is the kind of plane that killed Senator Paul Wellstone. Probably the manufacturer used only one technique for manufacturing and installing windshields. The NTSB report on the Wellstone crash is inconclusive.
In retrospect the Wellstone crash may have been due to a failed windshield at low altitude.
The NTSB report states that there was no indication that the pilot was conscious. The deviation from the intended flight path during landing was minimal. The plane flew straight and true, and straight into the ground without auguring. They might have run into a duck, smashing the windshield. Or something other than that. Or pilot error, the pilot might have thought he was on a good approach when he had an uncontrolled impact with the ground.
Wellstone crash Visibility 2 miles in freezing rain,snow and light fog. Flight crew failed to monitor airplane's airspeed and decreased to a dangerously low level and remain below recommended approach airspeed, allowed the airplane to enter a stall from which they did not recover. The inadequate airspeed or the full course deviation indicator needle deflection should have prompted the flight crew to execute a go-around,they failed to do so.Sources NTSB
Wow, the last time I woke up that frightened, I was still married! A vidio of the free-fall would have been something to see huh? Sound's like pilot error, but I am sure that lesson will not soon be forgotten. I agree, parachute's on this type of aircraft and in this type of situation, would just be moot. I can't believe they put this bird down in it's condition, not to mention their mental condition. They walked away, so I say, great job!
Couldn't you blow the door open with a small charge. If you were at or below 10,000ft and not pressurized, slow flight. close to stalling speed. at 70 knots with flaps fully extended the air pressure is low enough to blow the doors
chunder, yeah, you can even open the door... If you get there! In a spinning plane you can barely move yourself coz you're pressed forward and thrown around like hell.
In the planes of WW2 they had pnly to drop canopy and jump. In this plane, you'd need to walk back to the middle of plane, jump out ...and you will be probably cut in two peaces by the tail.
the ultra light planes are equipped with chutes which can bring the entire plane down, but nothing of the size of this one
i think aircraft should be equiped with some kind of escape pod. You would be able to bail out of smaller aircraft equiped with a parachute in the event of control failure. Like the aircraft that carry skydivers.
The freefall was the result of both pilots being incapacitated. When the windscreen blew out, they were at 30,000'. At that altitude, you have to either be in a pressurized aircraft (which the King Air is), or you have to be on oxygen. When the windscreen blew out, the aircraft depressurized rapidly, and both pilots passed out from lack of oxygen. The aircraft, basically uncontrolled, began a freefall decent.
But if it was a last attempt at saving you're life and you had lost controll of all flight controls surfaces it would still be an atempt below 10,000 feet. What about breaking the door hinges or an emergency door hinges release. It would be worth the atempt if you had no option of controlling the plane.
if you lost all control to the point where you need to try breaking door hinges to bail out (ignore physics regarding air pressure, etc... the simple fact that you wouldn't be able to open the door anyways) then it's over for you. period.
You will pass out within seconds from the sudden depress. and the air inside the cabin will instantly condense into fog.
Why don't they have chutes? Well 99.9% of flights end safely, and most incidents occur suddenly on takeoff or landing. A pilots instinct is to fly the plane if at all possible. Also, note where the exit is, under the dynamic forces that you would be subjected to it would make it difficult at best to get back there, operate the door, and safely jump.
This is a private plane, they wouldn't have chutes. do you take one when flying on, lets say American Airlines? What about the Exit, its about 10-15 feet infront of the tail on the left side. hand operated, weighs about 30 lbs. anyways opening the door would cause rapid decompression and rip the door off. I know lot about this plane because my dad flew it when he was in the navy (called the C-12) spent a fair amount of time inside it on the ground.
the most frustrating thing about this video...the very first caption says "...return at base to final"...they are clearly not saying that, as that phrase makes no sense in the world of aviation phraseology...i'm an instrument rated commercial pilot and a flight instructor, and i can promise what they're saying is..."we're turning base to final"...
I love how all the idiotic "experts" come out of the woodwork when something like this happens...How many of you morons have actually flown an airplane before?
guess those tv casters are making up there own story. i think pilots went into a comma at higher altitude cuz of the less oxygen, they free-fall and the plane starts falling apart, they wake up at lower altitude where is more oxygen and pressure, they land. why couldn't the windshield damage cause the comma first and then the fall? cuz the cracked widshield would have to stay together through the 2 o thousands feet of free-falling. personal
I'm guessing that the windscreen may have spider webbed due to cabin overpressure or an unforeseen fault. The elevator and wing where damaged when the aircraft entered an uncontrolled descent. During the decent the aircraft exceeded its Vne. and the pressure on the airframe exceeded the aircrafts design limits, or during the subsequent pullout of the dive they may have exceeded the "G" load.
Either way those flight crew are lucky to the extreme to have made it down in one piece!.
well i be a son of a beech...i bet these boys were trying to become members of the mile high club when a mistroke struck the cabin depressurize button.
Pilots are quoted as doning there masks and turning on the o2.. This is a handel that is supose to be pulled up and armed before flight. Also lowering cain presure to 3.0 (maybe 4.0 i dont recal) within 10 minutes. Not dumping the cabin.
something like this happened to an airliner in briton...were the window wast screwed in right and had blown out at 30000ft,sucking the captain outside the plane..the co pilot saved the day in the end.Every1 survived in the end,which was a miricle.
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ChrisP1341 2 months ago
These guys were made to look like Heros in this news story. Far from the truth, they totally pulled a Homer, all thanks to the great King Air 200. A lesser plane they would be dead.
flyboynextdoor 6 months ago
What caused the windshield to break. Looks like they hit a deer but I kinda doubt that.
shananagans5 7 months ago
I heard they dumped the cabin then passed out for a bit.
bcbp14 7 months ago
One Phrase sums it up "KING AIR TUFF"
Super3851 7 months ago
King airs are just amazing, and this video proves it. I suspect why all that happened was I think mabey something hit the winshield, depressurized the cabin, they pass out, they go into freefall go over VNE, THEN all the dents and the Elevator half gone happens. That's my interpretation.
tinyman12323 7 months ago
GREAT TRANNING KEYED UP AND LANDED HELLL YA GREAT JOB GUYS !
dearbornerik 8 months ago
@dearbornerik If they had BOTH been properly trained and experienced, they WOULD NOT have hit the CABIN PRESS DUMP switch. The checklist says to "Raise the cabin altitude to lower the pressure differential and begin a descent." And, NO, the airplane did NOT depressurize when the windshield panel cracked . There are two very thick panels of glass for each of the two windshield halves.
N34RT 6 months ago
@N34RT ar least thay made it !
dearbornerik 6 months ago
A Kingair won't depressurize when the outer pane shatters, other than loss of forward vision on one side, it's a non event. Most likely, these guys panicked & caused the major structural damage in an emergency decent.
blast69 11 months ago
@blast69
I find it interesting that according to you, the same pilots that would be skilled enough to land an aircraft without the elevators, would also panic and cause major structural failure. I just don't see that happening.
HDaviator 9 months ago
@HDaviator
My FlightSafety instructor agreed with my observation. The outer pane shattering won't cause a depressurization on a KingAir.
blast69 9 months ago
@blast69
Oh... you go to FlightSafety. Never mind. No point arguing.
HDaviator 9 months ago
@blast69
unless of course, all 3 panes suffer some sort of failure, In which case the cabin would depressurize. Granted, the probability of this happening is very low, it is still possible, and without know and seeing the actual aircraft component in question, Everyone here on you-tube is just being an "arm-chair examiner"
invertmast 8 months ago
it was likely that 20,000 FPM descent that tore off the horizontal stabilizer.
mhstn57 11 months ago
king airs fail too much one just went down the other day tooooootally chared theyre pretty positive they all died and burned too
adamgamedude 11 months ago
shouldn't one have been on oxygen?
yanksman151 1 year ago
@yanksman151 Not unless they were above 40,000 ft. I believe.
nscoulter 11 months ago
@nscoulter "operating at flight altitudes above 10,000 feet, the certificate holder shall provide enough oxygen for each crewmember for the entire flight at those altitudes and not less than a two-hour supply for each flight crewmember on flight deck duty. The required two hours supply is that quantity of oxygen necessary for a constant rate of descent from the airplane's maximum certificated operating altitude to 10,000 feet in ten minutes and followed by 110 minutes at 10,000 feet.FAR 121.331
yanksman151 11 months ago
@nscoulter just did some research on it... apparently they put the masks on when the cabin lost pressure and the tanks didn't work
yanksman151 11 months ago
The KA did good. The pilots are total morons. You don't dump the cabin in any KA when a windshield shatters, If fact you are REQUIRED to maintain a cabin diff of about 2 - 3.6 PSI if memory serves correct. An an inflight failure of the windshield requires no other action on the pilots, you can continue to fly to your destination. (The POH says you clan fly up to 25 hours with the outer pain shattered)
Of the 20 or so KA we work on I'd guess we change on average 2 a year that shatter.
lasjayhawk 1 year ago 2
hate how the news makes up the words that they think they hear... "return at base to final" - right....
miracleeraser 1 year ago
The wings almost fell off the plane...
manny298 1 year ago
The pilots are still alive because beechcraft built a perfect airplane.
I had a cracked windshield in a piper cheyenne - not a big deal. But those pilots almost crashed their plane doing almost everything wrong there.
check this out the ntsb site and search the registration N777AJ
Lettenbichler 1 year ago
THe plane didn't depressurize because the windshield cracked. The pilots manually depressurized the cabin - before they put their oxygen masks on. (The media doesn't know shit!)
84velo 1 year ago
Good pilots? You're kidding, right?
OGaugeRailroading 1 year ago
Wow, and that's what you call a bad ass pilot
wompasdub 1 year ago
How can you compare real flying to flight sim, its a computer game you anus.
albertfalls 1 year ago
@albertfalls
Albert you failed to realize some of these posters are 14 year old "knowitalls" flight simmers. They know everything about everything, INCLUDING newsreporting, how many rivets it takes to completely build a KA200. I am a 63 year old, avid flightsimmer (FS9 AND FS10) but I know squat about real piloting skills.
The men in that plane were Obviously skilled. Mistakes might have been made by both. But in the panic and mental haze of regaining consciousness, they did GOOD!
drmckee 1 year ago
Flight sim MAYBE helps in some cases with reactions/ habits, but in the real world, there's no Pause button- perhaps thats the most important thing.
Flying has become very expensive, but it doesn't mean that you should resort to sims....
I used to spend a lot of time at home on FS9, but once I started real world flying, It's COMPLETELY different, even the aircraft's dynamics- you'll see...
nuclear944 2 years ago
What does a "free fall" mean?
Near vertical descent and sudden pullout?
nuclear944 2 years ago
Hold your alarm clock out your bedroom window & let it go, that's a free fall.
Daywalkertwentyseven 2 years ago
Yes, I know. But in flying, there isn't such thing as "free fall". Unless maybe a flat spin....
And no, I don't play Flight Simulator, I am a real world pilot.
nuclear944 2 years ago
A freefall is what happens when you disregard prepflight and inflight check off procedures. Kind of like belly fall which almost happened to the same pilot about three months earlier when he failed to use the POH landing checklist and he had to be reminded by groiund personnel to lower his landing gear before landing. I wonder if he is still flying?
baileych01 2 years ago
Thats some pretty big stress marks in the spar at 2:20.
Must have come close to a break-up, scary. King Air is an amazing aircraft though - go Beechcraft!
ChrizRockster 2 years ago
If that does not sale more planes I don't know what will.
swedishvolvo 2 years ago
Proves what an amazing and rugged aircraft the entire King Air series is. Also what great training these pilots had.
FireSarge30 2 years ago 15
@FireSarge30 If you read the FAA report on this accident, you will note the pilot was stupid and irresponsible. "The company pilot’s poor judgment before and during the flight, including turning the oxygen system ready switch to the OFF position after he conducted the preflight inspection and using an unapproved checklist, which did not provide guidance for a fractured windshield and resulted in his depressurizing the airplane." The guy panicked and lucked out in the extreme.
beeroosterm 1 year ago
@beeroosterm Of course you knew that all along, didn't you, ya little turd?
madisonelectronic 1 year ago
@madisonelectronic Why call me the turd? The pilot was a panicked little fag and doesn't belong in a cockpit. Now go cook some truffles, you little homo.
beeroosterm 1 year ago
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Paassed out? These geezers need to don their masks a bit quicker or harden the fuck up.
panictactics 2 years ago
what happened to the spoilers?
DirtyThing20 2 years ago
there is no spoilers...
ooganblat 2 years ago 3
W. OW man that is insane, what gr8 pilots.
Iamfukenripped 3 years ago
Good pilot indeed
same33 3 years ago 2
Amazing Pilots? No. Stupid? Yes. The windshield failed and they dumped the cabin because they thought the windshield would blow out. First of all, the windshield is held in by the pressurization and the airspeed would prevent a "blowout" Secondly, how stupid are you for dumping the cabin before you put your oxygen masks on? Been to Flight Safety lately? That was a gross error in judgment that should have killed them. Landing? Nice landing under those conditions but still stupid overall
84velo 1 year ago
Probably they haven't seen that F-15 landed with only one wing. Anyway, it's a really good job.
turkmentari 3 years ago
dang, they really passed VNE. they had good training to bring that down safely after that.
b101aa2 3 years ago
damn thats a miracle. i cant imagine how it flew with part of the wing gone, im a pilot so i cant belive that.
Joey7700 3 years ago
have you ever scene the israeli? (i think israeli) pilot who landed a F-15 with one entire wing missing? I would of never thought that possible.
CLayaway1 3 years ago
no i haven't actually. if there is a link to the investigation about it i would appreciate it if u could help me find that. it sounds interesting.
Joey7700 3 years ago
wow.. if that wasn't a blessing i don't know what is
jdsanchez473 3 years ago
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BennyBoi95 3 years ago
incredible job by those pilots man!
Askelairlines747 3 years ago
Those are good pilots who really understand aerodynamics to bring that plane down in one piece.Well Qualified!
YYZZZYYY 3 years ago
a7d11a78m - you are right on! What a bnch of wanna be's. Retards.
homerboy488 3 years ago
"Wanna be's"? OMG, you mean to tell me it's impossible for pilots to frequent youtube and post comments??? You're just jealous because you're flipping burgers on a grill instead of flipping switches in a cockpit.
I'm at CAE SimuFlite right now and we just talked about this incident today. Yeah they did a good job landing the plane and walking away but they pretty much screwed themselves into that situation.
daetherbunny 3 years ago
I don't know much about planes so how did they screw themselves into that situation?
Pilatuspcsix 3 years ago
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Tell me Mr. pilot, without looking it up, what the procedure is for an inner and outer pane failure is. The sad thing about you tube is that they allow 1rst year flight instructors with 350 hours or less to post stuff they dont understand. Dont speak with out experience. I bet your a 747 captain, or maybe even the shuttle......dipshit
a7d11a78m 3 years ago
Funny how the NTSB say the window did not lose integrity.. Only the outer pain had crazed.
Forget SOP for a second, would common sense not dictate that you don your mask before hitting the dump valve?
pilotDH6 3 years ago
Try ATP Line Training Captain, and yes I have flown & am rated on the King Air 90, 100, 200, 300, 350
pilotDH6 3 years ago
B.S., your an idiot.
a7d11a78m 3 years ago
No the idiot is the one who hit the dump valve! DOH!
PS. CAE use it as an example of what not to do in training now
pilotDH6 3 years ago
The flight crew reported they depressurized the airplane after a cracked/shattered windshield. They then donned their oxygen masks but were unable to obtain oxygen from the oxygen system resulting in their loss of consciousness. They later regained consciousness, recovered from the descent, and landed without further incident at Cape Girardeau Regional Airport
pilotDH6 3 years ago
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Let me guess you were there right, in the airplane, or there during the investigation, or on the runway when the plane landed right? If not dont talk shit asshole. If so then still dont talk shit im sure this has happened to you and you did an excellent job at and are an expert right? If you are with the FAA then i dont see why it is your business to post this info on youtube of all places. My husband and his friend are excellent pilots. So fuck off!
gatormoore 3 years ago
Why did they not follow SOP then? Why did the NTSB find them at fault?
Why on earth would you dump the cabin pressure before donning your mask..
Why was the oxygen not checked and turned on as per SOP?
pilotDH6 3 years ago 2
Who are you and why is this your business? You still did not answer my question? What gives you the right to speculate on the incident? If you are with the FAA this is not something that you need to be discussing on YOUTUBE!
gatormoore 3 years ago
Lets be clear.. The window did not "blow out" the outer pain cracked, the pressurization of the aircraft was not affected. The checklist calls for the pilots to reduce the DP to below 3 PSI if i remember rightly, they took this to mean to hit the DUMP vale, then when they went to don oxygen masks found the cylinder was empty. So 1 poor pre flight, 2 follow the checklist.
Pilot error and nothing to do with the King Air
pilotDH6 3 years ago 2
pilotDH6 is correct The correct procedure for a cracked windshield by the book is:
Outer Panel - No pilot action required
Inner panel - Reset Pressurization Controller 3 psid or lower (within 10 min)
Descend - If nessary for 3 pisd or less
I have 12,500 hours in King Airs and have this happen to me 3 times. Follow the checklist and it's a non-event. Except for the cost of a new windshield!!
There was no reason to dump the cabin.
McL1305 3 years ago
Right on Mc, I have been maintaining Kingairs for the last 9 years and what you say is exactly right, it should have been a non event.
unapro3 3 years ago
WRITE OFF.
mithat87 4 years ago
Holly shit
kikomarine 4 years ago
i would tit fkcu that biyatvh reporter
caprisierra24v 4 years ago
Hey...I'd love to be able to show this video in one my training courses. Does anyone know if it is possible to download it anywhere? I won't have internet access in class. Greatly appreciated if anyone can help out.
gina2envy 4 years ago
u can get video download software (free) that will download the vid for u from utube. Just google the idea..
wrh61 4 years ago
This is the kind of plane that killed Senator Paul Wellstone. Probably the manufacturer used only one technique for manufacturing and installing windshields. The NTSB report on the Wellstone crash is inconclusive.
In retrospect the Wellstone crash may have been due to a failed windshield at low altitude.
frizbmac 4 years ago
The wellstone crash was caused by Pilot Error. Bad weather was also a factor.
fundysdotcom 4 years ago
The NTSB report states that there was no indication that the pilot was conscious. The deviation from the intended flight path during landing was minimal. The plane flew straight and true, and straight into the ground without auguring. They might have run into a duck, smashing the windshield. Or something other than that. Or pilot error, the pilot might have thought he was on a good approach when he had an uncontrolled impact with the ground.
frizbmac 4 years ago
Wellstone crash Visibility 2 miles in freezing rain,snow and light fog. Flight crew failed to monitor airplane's airspeed and decreased to a dangerously low level and remain below recommended approach airspeed, allowed the airplane to enter a stall from which they did not recover. The inadequate airspeed or the full course deviation indicator needle deflection should have prompted the flight crew to execute a go-around,they failed to do so.Sources NTSB
fundysdotcom 4 years ago
The B-200 King Air is one tough plane which can take a lot of beating.
rusipathan 4 years ago
Wow, the last time I woke up that frightened, I was still married! A vidio of the free-fall would have been something to see huh? Sound's like pilot error, but I am sure that lesson will not soon be forgotten. I agree, parachute's on this type of aircraft and in this type of situation, would just be moot. I can't believe they put this bird down in it's condition, not to mention their mental condition. They walked away, so I say, great job!
unclearless 4 years ago
C"Can only be seen on Heartland" Yeah that and YouTUbe
Polxen 4 years ago
first of all; chunder - you're aeronautically retarded.
second of all; wow. f-u-c-k-i-n-g WOW. that'll ruin your day, eh? amazing. those are a couple of lucky dudes.....
f0rn1c0n 4 years ago
Couldn't you blow the door open with a small charge. If you were at or below 10,000ft and not pressurized, slow flight. close to stalling speed. at 70 knots with flaps fully extended the air pressure is low enough to blow the doors
chunder123 4 years ago
chunder, yeah, you can even open the door... If you get there! In a spinning plane you can barely move yourself coz you're pressed forward and thrown around like hell.
In the planes of WW2 they had pnly to drop canopy and jump. In this plane, you'd need to walk back to the middle of plane, jump out ...and you will be probably cut in two peaces by the tail.
the ultra light planes are equipped with chutes which can bring the entire plane down, but nothing of the size of this one
Maverickx89 4 years ago
i think aircraft should be equiped with some kind of escape pod. You would be able to bail out of smaller aircraft equiped with a parachute in the event of control failure. Like the aircraft that carry skydivers.
chunder123 4 years ago
LOL!! But what about the people who will catch the plane? Would be strange if you'll see a plane falling from the sky without people inside it. LOL
fsxfanatic 4 years ago
I'd like to know what caused the freefall...Did the NTSB come out with something about this yet?
iceman977th 4 years ago
The freefall was the result of both pilots being incapacitated. When the windscreen blew out, they were at 30,000'. At that altitude, you have to either be in a pressurized aircraft (which the King Air is), or you have to be on oxygen. When the windscreen blew out, the aircraft depressurized rapidly, and both pilots passed out from lack of oxygen. The aircraft, basically uncontrolled, began a freefall decent.
agcatdriver 4 years ago
What the hell does a greenwheeler know about 30k. Just joking....
sundog47 4 years ago
well, I DO stay at the Holiday Inn Express fairly frequently! :)
agcatdriver 4 years ago
Good one, me too sadly enough.
sundog47 4 years ago
You could exit a signle engine aircraft with a parachute. But knowbody ever carries them. Many lives could of been saved this way
chunder123 4 years ago
But if it was a last attempt at saving you're life and you had lost controll of all flight controls surfaces it would still be an atempt below 10,000 feet. What about breaking the door hinges or an emergency door hinges release. It would be worth the atempt if you had no option of controlling the plane.
chunder123 4 years ago
if you lost all control to the point where you need to try breaking door hinges to bail out (ignore physics regarding air pressure, etc... the simple fact that you wouldn't be able to open the door anyways) then it's over for you. period.
Katsumoru 4 years ago
You will pass out within seconds from the sudden depress. and the air inside the cabin will instantly condense into fog.
Why don't they have chutes? Well 99.9% of flights end safely, and most incidents occur suddenly on takeoff or landing. A pilots instinct is to fly the plane if at all possible. Also, note where the exit is, under the dynamic forces that you would be subjected to it would make it difficult at best to get back there, operate the door, and safely jump.
FredGarvins 4 years ago
This is a private plane, they wouldn't have chutes. do you take one when flying on, lets say American Airlines? What about the Exit, its about 10-15 feet infront of the tail on the left side. hand operated, weighs about 30 lbs. anyways opening the door would cause rapid decompression and rip the door off. I know lot about this plane because my dad flew it when he was in the navy (called the C-12) spent a fair amount of time inside it on the ground.
theit57 4 years ago
Ive allways wondered why these light aircraft don't carry parachutes as you could bail out of these aircrafts quite easily if the aerofoils fail
chunder123 4 years ago
Not really, I doubt you could even open the door at well below cruising speed.
bddc201 4 years ago
how long would it take you to pass out if the screen failed at that altitude? Would it bwe the sudden drop in pressure.
chunder123 4 years ago
chunder123: "how long would it take you to pass out if the screen failed at that altitude? Would it bwe the sudden drop in pressure."
The end of my video will tell you.
Search YT for:
Altitude Chamber Hypoxia Training
You might find this video interestting too.
Effects Of Explosive Cabin Decompression On Crew
ATFSCrash 4 years ago
the most frustrating thing about this video...the very first caption says "...return at base to final"...they are clearly not saying that, as that phrase makes no sense in the world of aviation phraseology...i'm an instrument rated commercial pilot and a flight instructor, and i can promise what they're saying is..."we're turning base to final"...
uiucpilot 4 years ago
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flyn96 4 years ago
i'm hating on the idiots who made the caption without taking the time to figure out what the pilots said...learn to read asshat
uiucpilot 4 years ago
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flyn96 4 years ago
I love how all the idiotic "experts" come out of the woodwork when something like this happens...How many of you morons have actually flown an airplane before?
pooch1116 4 years ago
the chick should report topless
elroto 4 years ago
guess those tv casters are making up there own story. i think pilots went into a comma at higher altitude cuz of the less oxygen, they free-fall and the plane starts falling apart, they wake up at lower altitude where is more oxygen and pressure, they land. why couldn't the windshield damage cause the comma first and then the fall? cuz the cracked widshield would have to stay together through the 2 o thousands feet of free-falling. personal
elpilot80 4 years ago
shshshittt,,,
elpilot80 4 years ago
Please explain to me why both windshield and elevator were dammaged...i think they entered into a CB...
Moumou727 4 years ago
the free fall gets the plane too fast to stay together and it starts falling apart
elpilot80 4 years ago
I'm guessing that the windscreen may have spider webbed due to cabin overpressure or an unforeseen fault. The elevator and wing where damaged when the aircraft entered an uncontrolled descent. During the decent the aircraft exceeded its Vne. and the pressure on the airframe exceeded the aircrafts design limits, or during the subsequent pullout of the dive they may have exceeded the "G" load.
Either way those flight crew are lucky to the extreme to have made it down in one piece!.
Zairynne 4 years ago
Bong hit,bird strike,overstress airframe,kiss license bye-bye.
sundog47 4 years ago
Why not keep your stupid ass comments to yourself.
agcatdriver 4 years ago
well i be a son of a beech...i bet these boys were trying to become members of the mile high club when a mistroke struck the cabin depressurize button.
ps...raytheon sucks.
jjjazzycraig 4 years ago
Pilots are quoted as doning there masks and turning on the o2.. This is a handel that is supose to be pulled up and armed before flight. Also lowering cain presure to 3.0 (maybe 4.0 i dont recal) within 10 minutes. Not dumping the cabin.
pilot eror!
crp76pilot 4 years ago
emergency landing at 27000 feet ends in........ two pass the quite story ......
I am not getting this part, can anyonw write the beginning please?
thanks
caiouz1 4 years ago
Anyone know what King Air it is? Is it a 350?
bachian 5 years ago
King Air 200
crp76pilot 4 years ago
Contrary to what the news anchor reported: The windshield failure did not cause the cabin to depressurize.
SteveSJT 5 years ago
then what caused the pilots to pass out (assuming it was from hypoxia) or did they just pass out from getting scared shitless?
chrisaschultz 4 years ago
The pilots opened the cabin outflow valve to dump cabin pressure... Essentially taking an abnormal situation and turning it into an emergency.
SteveSJT 4 years ago
check list calls for lowering the cabin diff to 4.0 PSI They dumped the cabin presure to 0.0
I am also guessing that they did not arm the oxygen system. Just my two cents...
crp76pilot 4 years ago
something like this happened to an airliner in briton...were the window wast screwed in right and had blown out at 30000ft,sucking the captain outside the plane..the co pilot saved the day in the end.Every1 survived in the end,which was a miricle.
Mjfan771 5 years ago
Not the same -- the whole window came out in that flight.
This flight, only the outer window shattered.
CarMoves 3 years ago
This is absolutely amazing!!! If they knew the stab and elevators were gone they would probably have gone down!
saito125 5 years ago
Anyone know the reasons for what happened? Is there an FAA link please?
tvfilmglamdirector 5 years ago
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pilot error.....
crp76pilot 4 years ago
Were there any passengers onboard?
srstacy 5 years ago
Amazing is correct!
joeflyer743 5 years ago