I put Australian Health Care in my search engine & what did I find? I found a website invinting Aussies to join one of our "wonderful" health sys - yeah - Humana, united, oxford etc. Aussies - DON'T DO IT - KEEP THE SYSTEM YOU HAVE.
natural food and medicine and a "soveriegn nation" for all indiviuals with integrity and love is the only way for humans to evolve. clearly the systems we have created are not working and un-sustainable.
It really is a pleasure to live here in the good 'old'Europe! Everybody who has a job, pays a small percent rate of his wages in a big pot. If somebody is sick or needs an Operation gets it FOR FREE....this principe is called 'solidarity'.
But guess what...you dont really have a small problem...it is a big problem!
karim, where do uou live ? I know what you say is not true for Germany. And here, if someone cannot pay, there are programs that will pay. Every illegal who comes across the Mexican border and goes to an emergency room gets free health care. We are not a jungle with savages in it.
oh it is absolutly true! i appreciate it, what you do with the llegals. Take this example....I am a student for business administrations in Germany. And i dont have to pay anything.
It is true...the US arent a jungle. But you could do more than you do right now.
At least...in Germany is not everything perfect as well.
I pay my ASTA dues! BUT...i am in a family insurance! My Parents are payin in the healtcare pot for the whole family. So i get the dues for my health insurance back.
thanks for your love. I appreaciate it! I think I have to tell you something. YES it is right. It isnt for free. EVERYBODY, i told that, is paying in a Huge pot. Let be 0 (zero) - xxx Euro. If you need an Operation which costs thousands of Euro, than you dont have to extra pay for it. Thats what i mean with "free"...got it?
Yes, Karim. I got it. And thank you for worrying about sick people. May be in a year or so, someone will come up with the perfect plan. Until then, don't worry ~ be happy ! And good luck in your studies.
van23xeon: That post was so awesome. Hail Emperor Cheney! BTW, france also pulled back, and is not an ally. Is it forbidden to go there too from the "land of the free"? ("You can go anywhere you want, as long as that is where WE want you to go?") van23xeon: (2) Who exactly is that greatest enemy known to mankind? Saddam? He made a martyr out of a guy his dad sold weapons to. Or was it someone else? One of the 650K iraqis? sarvasowie: Seconded. JenGem: He just gave a response to someone eithe
So what if his Dad sold weapons to Saddam ? Your country sold weapons and chemicals to him, too. He who is without guilt should cast the first stone and it is not you.
Slovakia's got chem weapons? Why didn't anyone tell me? Conventional ones aren't being produced on Slovak territory since Czechoslovakia had to do disarming, way back. And about that rock-lobbing: I didn't throw the first one.
Technically anything could fit into this description. You can make smoke grenades out of stuff in your kitchen. A friend "signed" himself on the chem lab ceiling with a bunsen-burner he modded in 5 minutes. Your post mainly claims that anyone who ever sent anything anywhere could have been used by anyone to do anything, potentially doing harm. There's no going this way, think something better up!
Bertram, why is there "no going this way ?" That is the way it works. Yu buy one chemical in one country, another one in another country and zooooom, you got a chemical weapon of mass destruction. Yes, anyone can do anything with chemicals. That is the way it goes.
I am shocked that you don't own up to the fact that your governments decisions causes a lot of other peoples suffering around the world... 2. You ought to be proud of a man like Michael Moore for having the guts (and using his 1. amendment right to do so) for informing you about a broken healthcare system that with few changes could help a lot of your fellow citizens.
Troels, you keep living abroad and leave us to sort out the troubles, o.k. ? You don't know the real story behind this guy or behind health insurance. You just enjoy your great government benefits, o.k. ?
r being sarcastic, trolling, or trying to start a flame (,which he obviously did). BTW, who's ripping up whom? The guy writing "fuck off" in all caps?
Anyone who can say Bush is our greatest president ever has either no knowledge of U.S. history or is wholly lacking a barometer of human intelligence. Accordingly they should stay out of policy debates on health care and the like which require you to have an SAT score a bit higher than GW's.
Are you an idiot? You sound like it- I don't think he's the best president- but people who do may have knowledge of the u.s. Don't just rip people apart because they have an opinion. It leaves you open for people like me to tell you off. just state how you feel- don't be an idiot!!!
invented disorders create massive profits. $35 billion in 2006 in USA. Psychiatry's 300% increase of mental disorders over five decades has generated billions of dollars in government funding with no benefit to society.
Last two posts. YOU LIVE IN AMERICA? FIGHT AND LIVE FOR YOUR COUNTRY!!!! Bush is protecting us from TERROISM. IDIOTS who hate Bush, well the greatest President ever in our country has defeated the greatest enemy known to mankind. PERIOD. SO FUCK OFF
Moore will be in jail soon because he broke the law. He sent innocent US citizens to Cuba who is not an ally of ours. Honorable Dick Cheney should request the death penalty to this anti-American jerk.
truth no. 1 is NOT true. So many clinics along the border treated immigranst for nothing - Mexican ambulances coming across teh border wiht sick people in it, pregnant women about to have their babes on US soil so that they are citizens. Well, so many clinics treated them for free that they are bankrupt now and had to close. That is truth Mp. 1
American doctors also took the Hyplethan oath to save lives. They can and will be sued if they refuse treatment to anyone who would die otherwise. Michael Moore has an issue with this country and istead of working to make it better, he badmouthes it to the world. Don't know what rise he gets out of it but not everything he states i correct. Treatment on Europe is not free, the payment for your health care is deducted every month from your paycheck. Haven't you noticed ?
jondelleman - granted, 'gunshot' might be caricature. But see 'John Q' - dying child refused heart transplant as his father's too poor. In the UK, the only reason for transplant status refusal is lack of necessity or low chances of transplant success. Tacitly, the Hippocratic oath is always balanced against the cost of treatment. The UHC position is that morally, everyone has an equal right to basic life.
patban, it is distressing to hear about the dying child. I do not know the circumstances. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly that everyone has an equal right to basic life. But nobody has been able to put this into reality - not here, not anywhere in the world. May be it just is not possible. Like nobody ever going hungry or nobody ever experiencing war. Mankind is utterly incapable of solving the basic tragedies of life; causing dissent is NOT A SOLUTION.
Australia, Canada, UK all have public hospitals ....that provides essential care for people....micheal moore is making a really good point....all these countries feel more pleasant to be in then usa...cause they dont have as many psychiatric patients like the one at virginia tech walking around with hand guns...
armani, have you ever been refused treatment in any American hospital or doctor's office ? The psychiatric patient you talk about was an immigrant. Is American responsible for every psycho ? What about the many infant killings in Germany this time ? Or the guy who drove into the pedestrian zone ? Also the fault of the US, or better : Bush ? Did he also cause the extinction of the dinosaurs ? You are a joker.
he was not an recent immigrant...he lived in usa for years since he was a child.....he also gave several warning signs of his psychiatric illness....no body did anything on campus. Should have been medicated.
Yes, Armani, should have. But then, there are human rights issues. apparently his family members did not want him to be medicated and just called him "quiet."
It was a matter of losig face to them, so people lost their lives instead. You see, the government cannot just come and order you to take medication. It is a very long process.
thats not how it works in most places ....in australia where i worked as a doctor we can schedule patients and give then injections to non-compliant patients. He showed psychiatric symptoms on campus and the social worker failed to refer him. In most places he would have been referred in scheduled. Pscyhiatric care in USA is horrible..trust me.
Yes, armani, I trust you. Everything in the uS is horrible. Aren't you ideed fortunate to have been born in Canada ? Just ignore us, o.k. ? Otherwise, you might get some delayed reactions and end up in one of those hoooorrrrribbblllee places !
Moore is part of a controlled debate, all in the big happy communist family!
In Sicko he's going to show that health care is better in COMMUNIST Cuba... Just as Bowling for Columbine blamed gunowners for Columbine. All of this is meant to make us beg for a communistic government.
The joke is -- WE ALREADY HAVE IT. The Zionist Neo-Cons of course tried to sell our ports to the Chinese -- are now opening our borders -- are spying on the populace just like in East Germany, etc.
About the Luis Moro footage...I wonder why is he so worried about Moore´s supposed lies to the US citizenry. Maybe he is living in Miami? mmm, wouldnt surprise me a all.
joseartigas - what is wrong with living in Miami ? A Cuban living in Miami knows both sides of the coin and I would trust him more than someone who lives in his ivory tower luxury apt. in New York and tries to get back at a whole country just because he was teased at school.
Cuban Luis Moro tears apart Michael Moore using real footage from Cuban Hospital. See footage at EveryThingCuba-com and LuisMoroNews.BlogSpot-com. Ask Moore to address real footage.
Michael Moore u ARE an american hero, u ARE the patriotic one, a UNIVERSAL health care system in America IS the RIGHT n PATRIOTIC thing to do.Shame on those corporations,HMOs,drug companies to rake in record profits on the back of the american people's lives.OUR LIVES ARE WORTH MORE THAN THESE DIRTY BASTARDS PROFITS.750B of OUR tax money went to Iraq when it could have given America the best health care system on earth!!SHAME on u Dick-IN-Bush!
mahals sexy girl, review the Eruopean countries that have universah health care systems. Each one of them has had trouble with it. Universal health care lowers the quality of health care and each of the European countries are in the process of trying new systems. It sounds good but ther are a lot of hidden problems.
Besides, where do foreign heads of state go to get cured ?
The United States of America, not Cuba or even their own countries. Now that is voting with your plane tickets !
Mahlsgirl, do some thinkig : What do yu think HMOs and drug companies do with their profits : they pay the docctors, nurses, utilities,research to improve health care. They do not go on vacation and eat caviar. It is profits which enable research and medical advancements.
I put Australian Health Care in my search engine & what did I find? I found a website invinting Aussies to join one of our "wonderful" health sys - yeah - Humana, united, oxford etc. Aussies - DON'T DO IT - KEEP THE SYSTEM YOU HAVE.
phosphotase 4 years ago
natural food and medicine and a "soveriegn nation" for all indiviuals with integrity and love is the only way for humans to evolve. clearly the systems we have created are not working and un-sustainable.
certifiedhealthnut 4 years ago
It really is a pleasure to live here in the good 'old'Europe! Everybody who has a job, pays a small percent rate of his wages in a big pot. If somebody is sick or needs an Operation gets it FOR FREE....this principe is called 'solidarity'.
But guess what...you dont really have a small problem...it is a big problem!
karimthekid 4 years ago
karim, where do uou live ? I know what you say is not true for Germany. And here, if someone cannot pay, there are programs that will pay. Every illegal who comes across the Mexican border and goes to an emergency room gets free health care. We are not a jungle with savages in it.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
oh it is absolutly true! i appreciate it, what you do with the llegals. Take this example....I am a student for business administrations in Germany. And i dont have to pay anything.
It is true...the US arent a jungle. But you could do more than you do right now.
At least...in Germany is not everything perfect as well.
karimthekid 4 years ago
Really, Karim ? You don't pay any ASTA dues ? Those include the cost for health insurance.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
I pay my ASTA dues! BUT...i am in a family insurance! My Parents are payin in the healtcare pot for the whole family. So i get the dues for my health insurance back.
karimthekid 4 years ago
karim karim, that means it is not free ! Somebody - your father- is paying for it. So you do NOT have FREE
health care. I love you, Karimthekid.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
thanks for your love. I appreaciate it! I think I have to tell you something. YES it is right. It isnt for free. EVERYBODY, i told that, is paying in a Huge pot. Let be 0 (zero) - xxx Euro. If you need an Operation which costs thousands of Euro, than you dont have to extra pay for it. Thats what i mean with "free"...got it?
karimthekid 4 years ago
Yes, Karim. I got it. And thank you for worrying about sick people. May be in a year or so, someone will come up with the perfect plan. Until then, don't worry ~ be happy ! And good luck in your studies.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
well, thank you.
I don´t think that there is "the perfect plan". Maybe there is a chance to make everybody happy. That would be IT.
karimthekid 4 years ago
van23xeon: That post was so awesome. Hail Emperor Cheney! BTW, france also pulled back, and is not an ally. Is it forbidden to go there too from the "land of the free"? ("You can go anywhere you want, as long as that is where WE want you to go?") van23xeon: (2) Who exactly is that greatest enemy known to mankind? Saddam? He made a martyr out of a guy his dad sold weapons to. Or was it someone else? One of the 650K iraqis? sarvasowie: Seconded. JenGem: He just gave a response to someone eithe
BertramTrabant 4 years ago
So what if his Dad sold weapons to Saddam ? Your country sold weapons and chemicals to him, too. He who is without guilt should cast the first stone and it is not you.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
Slovakia's got chem weapons? Why didn't anyone tell me? Conventional ones aren't being produced on Slovak territory since Czechoslovakia had to do disarming, way back. And about that rock-lobbing: I didn't throw the first one.
BertramTrabant 4 years ago
Bertram, first you have chemicals, then you put them together, then you have chemivcal weapons.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
Technically anything could fit into this description. You can make smoke grenades out of stuff in your kitchen. A friend "signed" himself on the chem lab ceiling with a bunsen-burner he modded in 5 minutes. Your post mainly claims that anyone who ever sent anything anywhere could have been used by anyone to do anything, potentially doing harm. There's no going this way, think something better up!
BertramTrabant 4 years ago
Bertram, why is there "no going this way ?" That is the way it works. Yu buy one chemical in one country, another one in another country and zooooom, you got a chemical weapon of mass destruction. Yes, anyone can do anything with chemicals. That is the way it goes.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
I am shocked that you don't own up to the fact that your governments decisions causes a lot of other peoples suffering around the world... 2. You ought to be proud of a man like Michael Moore for having the guts (and using his 1. amendment right to do so) for informing you about a broken healthcare system that with few changes could help a lot of your fellow citizens.
Best regards, US Citizen living abroad.
TroelsA 4 years ago
Troels, you keep living abroad and leave us to sort out the troubles, o.k. ? You don't know the real story behind this guy or behind health insurance. You just enjoy your great government benefits, o.k. ?
jonedelleman 4 years ago
r being sarcastic, trolling, or trying to start a flame (,which he obviously did). BTW, who's ripping up whom? The guy writing "fuck off" in all caps?
BertramTrabant 4 years ago
Anyone who can say Bush is our greatest president ever has either no knowledge of U.S. history or is wholly lacking a barometer of human intelligence. Accordingly they should stay out of policy debates on health care and the like which require you to have an SAT score a bit higher than GW's.
sarvasowie 4 years ago
Are you an idiot? You sound like it- I don't think he's the best president- but people who do may have knowledge of the u.s. Don't just rip people apart because they have an opinion. It leaves you open for people like me to tell you off. just state how you feel- don't be an idiot!!!
JenGem 4 years ago
invented disorders create massive profits. $35 billion in 2006 in USA. Psychiatry's 300% increase of mental disorders over five decades has generated billions of dollars in government funding with no benefit to society.
KamikazeKoscki 4 years ago
Scientologist.
wasupi355 4 years ago
Last two posts. YOU LIVE IN AMERICA? FIGHT AND LIVE FOR YOUR COUNTRY!!!! Bush is protecting us from TERROISM. IDIOTS who hate Bush, well the greatest President ever in our country has defeated the greatest enemy known to mankind. PERIOD. SO FUCK OFF
van23xeon 4 years ago
Moore will be in jail soon because he broke the law. He sent innocent US citizens to Cuba who is not an ally of ours. Honorable Dick Cheney should request the death penalty to this anti-American jerk.
van23xeon 4 years ago
shut up u bush ass licker
luiscali2007 4 years ago
so if you like Hilary, you are a good American. If you like Bush, you are an ass licker ?
Who needs people like you who haven't the faintest clue about freedom.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
Your A fucken donkey ^
viktorj85 4 years ago
jonedelleman - in the US, how good is basic (non-elite) treatment, and how much does it cost? Can you beat 'world-class' and 'free'?
'Problems' with European universal healthcare include, 'should breast implants, or sex changes, or IVF be free at point of delivery?'
Problems in the US include, 'if someone's dying of a gunshot wound, should you save them if they're poor?'
patban 4 years ago
myth #1 american healthcare world class
myth #2 sex changes and /or breast implants covered by universal healthcare
truth #1 no health insurance means no access to treatment
cdncwby 4 years ago
truth no. 1 is NOT true. So many clinics along the border treated immigranst for nothing - Mexican ambulances coming across teh border wiht sick people in it, pregnant women about to have their babes on US soil so that they are citizens. Well, so many clinics treated them for free that they are bankrupt now and had to close. That is truth Mp. 1
jonedelleman 4 years ago
American doctors also took the Hyplethan oath to save lives. They can and will be sued if they refuse treatment to anyone who would die otherwise. Michael Moore has an issue with this country and istead of working to make it better, he badmouthes it to the world. Don't know what rise he gets out of it but not everything he states i correct. Treatment on Europe is not free, the payment for your health care is deducted every month from your paycheck. Haven't you noticed ?
jonedelleman 4 years ago
patban, where did you get this information ? Nobody would let a person die because he/she is poor. You must get your info from Moskow !
jonedelleman 4 years ago
jondelleman - granted, 'gunshot' might be caricature. But see 'John Q' - dying child refused heart transplant as his father's too poor. In the UK, the only reason for transplant status refusal is lack of necessity or low chances of transplant success. Tacitly, the Hippocratic oath is always balanced against the cost of treatment. The UHC position is that morally, everyone has an equal right to basic life.
patban 4 years ago
patban, it is distressing to hear about the dying child. I do not know the circumstances. Yes, I agree wholeheartedly that everyone has an equal right to basic life. But nobody has been able to put this into reality - not here, not anywhere in the world. May be it just is not possible. Like nobody ever going hungry or nobody ever experiencing war. Mankind is utterly incapable of solving the basic tragedies of life; causing dissent is NOT A SOLUTION.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
Australia, Canada, UK all have public hospitals ....that provides essential care for people....micheal moore is making a really good point....all these countries feel more pleasant to be in then usa...cause they dont have as many psychiatric patients like the one at virginia tech walking around with hand guns...
armani99 4 years ago
armani, have you ever been refused treatment in any American hospital or doctor's office ? The psychiatric patient you talk about was an immigrant. Is American responsible for every psycho ? What about the many infant killings in Germany this time ? Or the guy who drove into the pedestrian zone ? Also the fault of the US, or better : Bush ? Did he also cause the extinction of the dinosaurs ? You are a joker.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
he was not an recent immigrant...he lived in usa for years since he was a child.....he also gave several warning signs of his psychiatric illness....no body did anything on campus. Should have been medicated.
armani99 4 years ago
Yes, Armani, should have. But then, there are human rights issues. apparently his family members did not want him to be medicated and just called him "quiet."
It was a matter of losig face to them, so people lost their lives instead. You see, the government cannot just come and order you to take medication. It is a very long process.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
thats not how it works in most places ....in australia where i worked as a doctor we can schedule patients and give then injections to non-compliant patients. He showed psychiatric symptoms on campus and the social worker failed to refer him. In most places he would have been referred in scheduled. Pscyhiatric care in USA is horrible..trust me.
armani99 4 years ago
Yes, armani, I trust you. Everything in the uS is horrible. Aren't you ideed fortunate to have been born in Canada ? Just ignore us, o.k. ? Otherwise, you might get some delayed reactions and end up in one of those hoooorrrrribbblllee places !
jonedelleman 4 years ago
u sound like a total bonehead
armani99 4 years ago
Moore is part of a controlled debate, all in the big happy communist family!
In Sicko he's going to show that health care is better in COMMUNIST Cuba... Just as Bowling for Columbine blamed gunowners for Columbine. All of this is meant to make us beg for a communistic government.
The joke is -- WE ALREADY HAVE IT. The Zionist Neo-Cons of course tried to sell our ports to the Chinese -- are now opening our borders -- are spying on the populace just like in East Germany, etc.
LoneConformist 4 years ago
About the Luis Moro footage...I wonder why is he so worried about Moore´s supposed lies to the US citizenry. Maybe he is living in Miami? mmm, wouldnt surprise me a all.
joseartigas 4 years ago
joseartigas - what is wrong with living in Miami ? A Cuban living in Miami knows both sides of the coin and I would trust him more than someone who lives in his ivory tower luxury apt. in New York and tries to get back at a whole country just because he was teased at school.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
I already have alot of 20 somethings at my church gonna go see this.
GuyLA1978 4 years ago
Cuban Luis Moro tears apart Michael Moore using real footage from Cuban Hospital. See footage at EveryThingCuba-com and LuisMoroNews.BlogSpot-com. Ask Moore to address real footage.
SeeCuba 4 years ago
I think the tax dollar were diverted and went to Halliburton and the subsidary Blackwater, read the book Blackwater.
KamikazeKoscki 4 years ago
Kamikazekoschi, who cares what you think. It is nonsense.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
Michael Moore u ARE an american hero, u ARE the patriotic one, a UNIVERSAL health care system in America IS the RIGHT n PATRIOTIC thing to do.Shame on those corporations,HMOs,drug companies to rake in record profits on the back of the american people's lives.OUR LIVES ARE WORTH MORE THAN THESE DIRTY BASTARDS PROFITS.750B of OUR tax money went to Iraq when it could have given America the best health care system on earth!!SHAME on u Dick-IN-Bush!
mahalsxygrl 4 years ago
mahals sexy girl, review the Eruopean countries that have universah health care systems. Each one of them has had trouble with it. Universal health care lowers the quality of health care and each of the European countries are in the process of trying new systems. It sounds good but ther are a lot of hidden problems.
Besides, where do foreign heads of state go to get cured ?
The United States of America, not Cuba or even their own countries. Now that is voting with your plane tickets !
jonedelleman 4 years ago
Then why is the US ranked 37th in health care right above Slovenia? Why do we pay nearly twice as much per capita as any other nation on health care?
goyotes 4 years ago
Mahlsgirl, do some thinkig : What do yu think HMOs and drug companies do with their profits : they pay the docctors, nurses, utilities,research to improve health care. They do not go on vacation and eat caviar. It is profits which enable research and medical advancements.
jonedelleman 4 years ago
The Bush Administration is just PO'd they didn't know Michael was 90 miles closer to GITMO than usual.
They'd love to put him there if they could.
watercruiser 4 years ago
I can't wait until it comes out.
TheoVanDerDeer 4 years ago