It used to be, there was no such thing as civil commitment, teak43. Used to be, there was no such thing as a life sentence, either. Or Megan's Law. These things were created as solutions to problems. What Vachss is saying is that civil commitment *isn't* a solution, and we need a different one. As for the standards of civil commitment vs. insanity ... you don't need the same standard, all you need is the introduction of a connection, and that's what this does.
I'm not sure Vachss' arguments hold water. Child molesters *don't* get life sentences--that's just the reality. So it's not a choice between life sentences and civil commitments, it's a choice between normal sentences and normal sentences plus civil commitments. And the standard for civil commitment is not the same as the standard for the insanity defense--they're determined differently. Insanity defenses are usually defined much more tightly.
I enjoyed Vachss' interview and he made some very good points regarding Megan's Law and rehabilitation. While I am one of the people who very much cares where a sex offender lives, the realty is as Vachss says: It isn't very likely that an offender will care about sex offender registration when he or she doesn't doesn't care about the damage that raping a child will no doubt bring.
Very good discussion here. The example of there being no people who are in sex offender recovery classes of their own accord is an interesting point. It does sound like it's the case. But, I have not had any experiences with such classes so I don't know if that's true. And, if it is, is it possible that such persons don't want to go because of the social ramifications of being seen at such meetings?
I'm not contesting frustration over sexual abuse. But, I know that child molesters are abused & killed in jails by other inmates. This is an example of the aversion to sexual abusers by large parts of society. Sexual offenders are aware of this. They would have to use some form of transportation to attend the groups. A violently resentful person could follow these persons, learn where these meetings were held, & assault or kill sexual offenders who attended such meetings.
That's a myth, anutuk. From FOOTSTEPS: I did time with a guy once—Mestron. [He] was a sex killer, and proud of it. None of the girls was over seven years old. Mestron was maybe five foot six, tops. He was good with his hands and better with a shank. And he wasn't in population two weeks before he raped a bank robber. Righteous indignation doesn't stack up too high against homicidal muscle. You want to see jailhouse justice? Just spend some time in a jungleand pray you're not the prey.
That is interesting. I think there are so many factors involved and many different truths that occur simultaneously. I know from my experience with sexual abusers that many of them invest an enormous amount of energy and time covering themselves and not going to jail all because they know that there might be people who want to kill them. I wouldn't kill anyone. But, I wish that I didn't imagine the death of an abuser I know. Still, I think you make some very good points in your discussion.
Then I'll just add one more point, anutuk: Child sex abusers spend time and energy covering their actions because they want to continue abusing children. If they are caught, they are less likely to be able to continue abusing children. In prison, they don't have access to children.
That might be true most of the time. But, I'm reluctant to make blanket statements like that, myself. I'm disabled with a brain injury and dissociative identity disorder. Many people would label me as incapable of doing anything if they knew of my traumatic experiences. But, I invest much energy and faith in my potential to do things. This is why I don't like blanket statements. Also, love for my abuser has been the greatest thing for my survival. I suffered more when I hated an abuser.
Someone who is burdened by a brain injury and dissociative identity disorder and still makes the proper choices in life is the kind of person who should be honored. Someone who rapes children is the kind of person who should be separated from the rest of us.
It used to be, there was no such thing as civil commitment, teak43. Used to be, there was no such thing as a life sentence, either. Or Megan's Law. These things were created as solutions to problems. What Vachss is saying is that civil commitment *isn't* a solution, and we need a different one. As for the standards of civil commitment vs. insanity ... you don't need the same standard, all you need is the introduction of a connection, and that's what this does.
burkesdogpansy 10 months ago
I'm not sure Vachss' arguments hold water. Child molesters *don't* get life sentences--that's just the reality. So it's not a choice between life sentences and civil commitments, it's a choice between normal sentences and normal sentences plus civil commitments. And the standard for civil commitment is not the same as the standard for the insanity defense--they're determined differently. Insanity defenses are usually defined much more tightly.
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KaitlynBenx 1 year ago
I enjoyed Vachss' interview and he made some very good points regarding Megan's Law and rehabilitation. While I am one of the people who very much cares where a sex offender lives, the realty is as Vachss says: It isn't very likely that an offender will care about sex offender registration when he or she doesn't doesn't care about the damage that raping a child will no doubt bring.
whooRYouu 1 year ago
Over half are missing? You are full of crap!!!!
SexOffenderIssues002 1 year ago
@SexOffenderIssues002 How would you know? You freaks all keep in touch once we let you go?
burkesdogpansy 1 year ago 3
Very good discussion here. The example of there being no people who are in sex offender recovery classes of their own accord is an interesting point. It does sound like it's the case. But, I have not had any experiences with such classes so I don't know if that's true. And, if it is, is it possible that such persons don't want to go because of the social ramifications of being seen at such meetings?
anutuk 2 years ago
Being seen at such meetings by ... other sexual predators? What kind of social ramifications would that entail?
burkesdogpansy 2 years ago
I'm not contesting frustration over sexual abuse. But, I know that child molesters are abused & killed in jails by other inmates. This is an example of the aversion to sexual abusers by large parts of society. Sexual offenders are aware of this. They would have to use some form of transportation to attend the groups. A violently resentful person could follow these persons, learn where these meetings were held, & assault or kill sexual offenders who attended such meetings.
anutuk 2 years ago
That's a myth, anutuk. From FOOTSTEPS: I did time with a guy once—Mestron. [He] was a sex killer, and proud of it. None of the girls was over seven years old. Mestron was maybe five foot six, tops. He was good with his hands and better with a shank. And he wasn't in population two weeks before he raped a bank robber. Righteous indignation doesn't stack up too high against homicidal muscle. You want to see jailhouse justice? Just spend some time in a jungleand pray you're not the prey.
burkesdogpansy 2 years ago
That is interesting. I think there are so many factors involved and many different truths that occur simultaneously. I know from my experience with sexual abusers that many of them invest an enormous amount of energy and time covering themselves and not going to jail all because they know that there might be people who want to kill them. I wouldn't kill anyone. But, I wish that I didn't imagine the death of an abuser I know. Still, I think you make some very good points in your discussion.
anutuk 2 years ago
Then I'll just add one more point, anutuk: Child sex abusers spend time and energy covering their actions because they want to continue abusing children. If they are caught, they are less likely to be able to continue abusing children. In prison, they don't have access to children.
burkesdogpansy 2 years ago
That might be true most of the time. But, I'm reluctant to make blanket statements like that, myself. I'm disabled with a brain injury and dissociative identity disorder. Many people would label me as incapable of doing anything if they knew of my traumatic experiences. But, I invest much energy and faith in my potential to do things. This is why I don't like blanket statements. Also, love for my abuser has been the greatest thing for my survival. I suffered more when I hated an abuser.
anutuk 2 years ago
Someone who is burdened by a brain injury and dissociative identity disorder and still makes the proper choices in life is the kind of person who should be honored. Someone who rapes children is the kind of person who should be separated from the rest of us.
burkesdogpansy 2 years ago
That's nice of you for sharing honor with me. I pray that you're protected always from rapists.
anutuk 2 years ago
Mr.V you rock.
sinnerfish 2 years ago
Very very good points. I like his straightforwardness.
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SeoungWu1 2 years ago