Ron Paula ideas are not radical, they only seem so to some for two reasons. 1) they are brainwashed into a way of thinking and living as if there is no other. 2) they seem radical because people aren't really looking at the surmounting problem, and their lack of appreciation and understanding of whats coming it gives the appearance that dr. Ron is "too radical".
Look at any medical procedure and it may well turn your stomach but no one really wants to have a late semester abortion but to deny a medically necessary procedure is not right- the decision is between the physician and the patient, not the physician, patient and the government.
what if the fetus is dead and they just take it out? is that what they mean by partial birth? The baby is already dead, I doubt anyone will just willy nilly choose to get an abortion in their 3rd trimester.
If people want less government in their lives, then abortion which should be between a patient and her physician, and not between the woman, her physician and the government . It is no person's right to control the lives of others- women are not chattel and should not be treated as such. If you cannot trust a person to make a decision about her own body, then how can you trust them to raise a child?
@msburke1234 You're assuming the baby isn't alive and that its not murder, we don't let women murder there babies after they are born and the argument is that the baby is alive and so it is murder.
@msburke1234 So partial birth and third trimester abortion is ok to you, have you ever read or seen how one is preformed. Your comment about women not being chattel is true, but neither is a child...
Ron Paul would be the greatest pick because he barely can speak in public and because he can't get to the fucking point and has to babble about it for fifteen mins.
Why do they all act like it is an easy decision for a woman to have an Abortion? The problem starts with the lacking Sex education in the USA. It is proven by the statistics that preaching Abstinence doesn't work.
It is not like a woman has Abortion after Abortion because it's so much fun. Nobody has the Right to impose on another's will, and your freedom ends where my freedom begins.
@robertW2471 "Why do they all act like it is an easy decision for a woman to have an Abortion? The problem starts with the lacking Sex education in the USA"
I dont knoow where you got that one. Teen pregnancy is down. Most abortions are performed on older women. My mother after having menopause for a whole yr got pregnant. When she saw her doc he told her this was not uncommon. Many women who are on the pill get pregnant also. Many of whom are married.
In all fairness, ever since Obama was elected, I've thought differently about abortion....I'm now of the opinion that there is one advantage to having an abortion: You don't have to worry about bringing forth a birth certificate.
@VoiceOfModeration " all fairness, ever since Obama was elected, I've thought differently about abortion....I'm now of the opinion that there is one advantage to having an abortion: You don't have to worry about bringing forth a birth certificate."
DEath Sentence for dem dumb bitches who abort babies considering pro life says they are human beings and have life and not parasites. DEUS VULT. Problem?
The 40 days for life is going on right now people everywere are praying and fasting for all the Babys being murdered under the name of abortion. Please all take a stand pray and fast for all those babys that have no voice and cant say No! please Help me
as a person who stay from the out side and just notice this politicians , i don't think besides Ron PAul the Republicans can beat obama in 2012, he can stay on topic using substance and he can make argument without re-defining what an american means.
forcing is not the solution; unprotected sex, wed-locks, ignorance and other such thing should be DISCOURAGED! I mean massively! that's what a government should do; not force the women into doing something that... well, killing a human being even if it's in utero is a horrible thing but if that child is unplanned it is so for a reason and forcing a woman to take care of a an unplanned child can be equally horrible (see the examples I gave in the other comment of reasons for not having a child)
abortion should not be outlawed anywhere in the world ever....
you see, I for one think that it's rational to consider a foetus a human as much as an adult is; but if abortion is outlawed you're forcing women have an unplanned child... I mean, if it's not planed, it's not planed for a REASON! they can't take care of it, it's a defective child, the girl is too young, like 15 or something....
Murder is a capital crime in many states in the U.S.
There about 1.3 million abortions performed every year which would mean if all those women were arrested, tried and sentenced to death, the US would execute about 1.3 million women. If there was a backlog that would multiple the number of executions to millions and millions. Huge prisons would have to built with millions of soldiers with rifles and tanks guarding them.
Ron Paul has been saying the same thing for years. WHY? Because he puts his personal conflictions aside and comes to legal conclusions based on the constitution.
#1 Abortion should be up to the people who have created the fetus.
#2 Mainly the Women because it is her body.
#3 A fetus's brain does not start working until eight weeks.
#4 A fetus does NOT feel pain until the 28th week of gestation.
#5 GOD DOES NOT EXIST, it does not matter what it says in the bible.
#6 Abortion is not child abuse because its not even alive yet to be a child until a certain age of gestation. YOU want to stop child abuse, then go after the people who are hurting their born.
What the fuck? Abortion is the NUMBER 1 PROBLEM for that other guy??(Not Paul) Wow he has some fucked up philosophy if he thinks ABORTION is the biggest problem in the US. Screw uninsured people, screw the wars, forget the jobs, who cares about the economy, ABORTION IS WHAT WE MUST FOCUS ON!!! Crazy old geezer.
I agree with Ron Paul on this one. It's a state's right to make abortion laws and I'm getting tired of people on both sides using the issue to form attacks on Federal canidates. In state races, go for it. Personally I think the best solution is to strictly limit how long a woman can wait to make the decision. It's a difficult choice to make but 6 to 8 weeks is plenty of time to figure it out.
@BudWithBeats76 Christians like to say life begins at conception yet have no scientific evidence to back that claim. Their view-point is based in religious belief. The constitution says "congress shall pass no law" with regard to religion, so having a federal abortion law based on what the Bible says would be unconstitutional.
@BudWithBeats76 well, I'm atheistic and yet I think a person begins to exist at conception, specifically because of scientific evidence;
what would you say to that? (PS I am not saying abortion should be outlawed; even if it is just as much a human being as an adult, forcing women to do something very bad against themselves is not the answer... not for a government; encouraging prevention methods is; I left some comments with much more details above)
We need to prevent the pregnancies before they happen. There is no reason that people should have unwanted pregnancies in this day and age. There's to much info out there about how to prevent it. If your not smart enough to figure it out than you shouldn't have sex until you do the research on how to prevent it. Oh and guess what condoms break. Use a back up method.
While I'm liberal and don't agree with conservative values, I did like Paul the best of the R candidates. I think if the campaign had been between Paul and Obama, it would have been a lot more interesting.
We also would have been spared the Palin media circus, and would have had more air time between the two main candidates and their positions. Overall, better for everybody IMO.
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Ron Paul would have been the greatest pick for the presidency than all the other candidates. All the other candidates & the media single him out because He truly is a real conservative. He doesn't sugar coat anything & just tell it like it is. He is the people's President. Ron Paul for 2012.
He should have been our president. Period. end of subject. Amen, my friend. I agree with you, and I'm afraid hope is lost since we missed him. This corporatocracy will ensure that neither Ron or Rand Paul, his son, are voted into office. This government will ensure that no one like them ever makes it that far.
@noneofyob1zz Paul got this one wrong. he said punish the doc and each state should be different. So a different punishment depending on the state. what bullshit. He knew he couldnt blame the woman asking for the ab, he would be booed all the way back to TX.
Well Paul got asked this question,because the Republicans wanted to hurt him. Overturn Roe V Wade and let state government decide. Yet overall the punishment if made illegal should be both the doctor and the girl who get in trouble. Yet I feel it should be left legal either way.
I'd rather my government not tell me what to believe or when to repent because they no neither repentance or righteousness. When we let our government dictate what is right and wrong, we will be in big trouble. Abortion is murder, but the arbiters of religion cannot be the government. Don't be surprised when unbelievers act like unbelievers. Why are we so angry about abortion? Because God hates it? or because we do? It better be because it is horrible in God's sight, not ours.
It seems to that many of the people who are against abortion are that way because their personal beleifs tell them to be, such as letting religion influence their opinion. People may say that this is not an area for a person to choose "who lives and dies," although I would rather have the woman make the choice than the gov. I am pro-choice because I am against the government interference of a womans right to choose.
Abortion by far has killed more lives than the "War on Terror"; but I'm not supporting the "War on Terror" either. My believes are that that war is all propaganda & was labeled like that to merely fool the people into justly begin a war that really shouldn't have gotten started.
The driving philosophy behind the pro-life movement is that no human has the right to decide when to end the life of another. Regardless of assumed righteous motives. That's why we're in this mess. Bringing up the death penalty is counterproductive to the cause.
While that might be the true. Polls show that people who are Pro-Life typically support the death penalty... Regardless of the reason people are Pro-life (God, Allah, end the life of another) there will be a penalty if someone still has an abortion. There is no way it will not be premeditated so 1st degree murder yields the Death Penalty.
the driving philosophy behind the pro-life movement is the subservience and oppression of woman. abortion provides a much-needed lifeline to women who are not ready to be mothers, or who already have more children than they wish. telling a woman she cannot have an abortion could be considered the equivalent to ending her life as she knows it.
the women are in a tough situation, however, the doctors should be prosecuted. the doctors make millions of dollars off of abortion, therefore they should pay the price under the law.
Then, at the very least, women should get accessory to murder or negligent homicide. In addition, we get the added bonus of at home, self-abortions! Watch Revolutionary Road (2008).
@autopsi Its not murder it is NOT a human yet... its a flab of skin and components that make up a human but not an actual human yet.
A person that has and gives an abortion after the fetus is 4-5 months old or older should have to get some kind of disciplinary action, because that is when the baby can feel pain and is mostly alive.
@KateDANMIT So after 4-5 months the doctor and the mother should get Murder 1 and anyone who knew about (family/boyfriend/husband/nurses/receptionists) it gets "accessory before the fact" or "accessory after the fact" or "accessory before and after the fact."
Paul and Thompson gave the exact same answer, schmid. Both said Roe V Wade should be overturned, and then it should go to the states, and then doctors should be the ones to be punished.
So how is Paul a wimp while Thompson is right??? They said the same thing!
Killing an innocet life is much worst than killing an mature human life.
A young child inside his/her mother's womb has never committed any harm, wrong, or crime. It is completer with out fault.
Personally, I've committed so many vicious act, their for, I do deserve some type of punishment for those act, & if tried, i would accept any judgment for my action.
how can killing an innocent life be any worse than killing a mature life? Murder is murder all the same, any way you put it. It is a crime one way or another. There are times when you gotta do waht has to be done. But I go with Paul on this one - leave it up to the states to decide.
Which is worst, killing a small child, or killing a mature person.
Which could be worst, raping a senior citizen woman, or raping a lil girl.
These questions aren't hard to answer. Of course hearing about a younger person going through such misfortunes makes us feel more upset(or a least to most of us)
So, by this same reasoning, I believe that killing a baby inside the mother's womb is wost than killing a full grown person.
But I assume that you also did good things in life right? So by your logic you are also better because you have performed good deeds in this world. Or does it only count for bad things?
Yes, I think your right. People who committed good deed should be compensated & rewarded for those things. But, we live in world/society were this is viewed as absurd. Good people who committed righteous acts are NEVER charge, persecute & rewarded in our laws/legal system. I guess people do it just to satisfy their own special desire, which is good enough for them, I guess.But, this is not the case for me, I think I committed more wrong then right.
you don't know what i've been through. whether god has given us a lot or not, people have done some real bad things to me and god didn't do anything to stop them. and if god loved everyone he would never have let those things happen to me. ever. i was just a kid, and i didn't do anything to deserve it.
Opalrok: I can feel the pain in your words and I'm sorry for what you've suffered. It's a delicate line. It seems that people either want God to control everything, or to leave them alone. Micah 6:8 says that God has SHOWN us what is good, and he hopes that we will follow it. The Bible doesn't teach at all that everything is predestined or everything that happens is God's will. There is a purpose, however. Feel free to message me and I'd share a thought or two...no strings attached.
To the people that allow this, and to the people that did this to this human child "you are evil" and soon you all will be judged.
I wrote letters to United States leaders of governments back in 1993 about abortion, and I said if I could be elected president of the United States, I would have all arrested for crimes against humanity, and including those that create life... then want doctors to kill the life that they created.
I would like to correct several misconceptions that sue has. first, The baby is not part of a womans body, it is a distinct life form. just check the DNA profile of the mother and the baby. since the DNA is different then it is a distinct living person. Abortion is killing a baby, wanted or not, it is a baby. It is not just a clump of cells or tissue. If you want to have a toe removed than you have every right to do so. I hope that this clarified the facts for you sue.
This political football has it's root in Christian theology. What we Christians don't get is that God is pro choice. That's right. We can choose to do good or evil. It is within our power to stop abortion in this nation. We can simply choose not to get abortions. 86% of people here claim to follow Jesus. We are the ones getting the abortions and then trying to legislate against it.The fear of God,not man,is the beginning of wisdom.
I agree w RP somewhat.I am pro choice and there is rarely any reason for a late term abortion (only mentally) ..too bad he doesnt know what punishment the doc should get. I guess since we have 50 states that means there will be a broad range of punishments..how stupid.
Its funny how you're concerned about the poor doctor who might get punished but no concern for the unborn child who will be killed in the process. What warped reasoning?
luke:Its funny how you're concerned about the poor doctor who might get punished but no concern for the unborn child who will be killed in the process. Only psychopaths can see someone cocooned inside another's body, as a whole person and compare it to a god damned doctor. Whats wrong w/ you?
Someone else who is in denial of reality. Did I touch a raw nerve? You have lost your ability to see reason. If a human has no value before it is born then it must have no value after. Its total dishonesty and the product of a warped mind to say that just because soemone is hidden from view that they don't really exist. What a disgrace to the human race you are!
Are you on medication? Or are you just mentally retarded? The non-existent? You sound like someone who has maybe killed a human or two and now wants to justify her crime by dislocating herself from reality. Just because you say something doesnt exist doesnt make it so. Try drugs to ease your pain. And do some research on unborn humans. They really do exist!
Luke - "Are you on medication? Or are you just mentally retarded?"
I'm confused. Is there a difference between the two? Do retards not take medication? It's apparent that you are the most credible source to provide a legitimate response to this question.
luke:If a human has no value before it is born then it must have no value after. In what way? lay a new baby that no one knows about in the desert. It dies. Where was its value? It had no more than the dead rat beside it. If it had been found and loved before it died, it woud have had value as a peson because of itsability to participate in society, or at least be recognized as a member of society.
luke: What a disgrace to the human race you are! Abortion is legal for a reason
luke: The non-existent? oh im SOOOOOOOO sorry. I forget that you play rugby with fetuses on a reg basis and they are NOT a non-exsistant human beings to you! Forgive me. I dont quite know how to converse with the mentally ill.
like: And do some research on unborn humans. They really do exist!
I know. I said they dont exsist as HUMAN BEINGS. Do they have reading classes in the psyhc ward you could sign up for?
What pro-lifers argue is that there is value intrinsic to life itself before and after birth, even a baby that no one loved or cared about. According to your logic, anyone who doesn't "participate" in society can be disposed of.
long:What pro-lifers argue is that there is value intrinsic to life itself before and after birth, even a baby that no one loved or cared about. . Value is NOT gained by being a participant in society. Brain dead people are valuale to the ones who love him but to NO ONE ELSE! Value comes from being loved & wanted. Lay a new baby in the desert no one knows about , it dies, where was its value? It had NONE , & if you think it did, what was it?
How many people need to love something before it has value? All it takes is a single pro-lifer to say, "well, I love all newborns and unborns and I would try to find them a loving home even if I can't personally provide for them." A newborn baby has value to anyone who wants a baby but cannot conceive one on their own. That's why it's illegal to put a baby in a dumpster and people are supposed to drop them off at a safe haven (ie. fire station) if they didn't want him.
long:A newborn baby has value to anyone who wants a baby 250,000 kids up for adoption today, Where are al these frickin peopl handing out the love. Do NOT tell me there is a person to love TEN MILLION UNWANTED BABIES IN 10 YRS!!!!
long:All it takes is a single pro-lifer to say, "well, I love all newborns try to find them a loving home even if I can't personally provide for them BULL SHIT!They do NOT say that! Why do you think there are 1/4 million unadopted??? good god!
You're confusing the issue. Not all those kids are newborns, in fact, very few of them are. People are deterred from adopting older kids because they come with a lot of problems and emotional baggage. Those kids deserve a loving home, but not everyone looking to adopt are equipped to deal with older children and teenagers that have been abandoned.
According to National Abortion Federation, 1.3 million abortions are performed each year. Still 1.3 million is a big number and criminalizing all abortions is obviously impractical and a total non-starter.
But here's just one idea: In 2006, Planned Parenthood performed 260,000 abortions, but made only 1400 adoption referrals. If federal funding can be used to help PP operations, it can be used to expand PP's existing adoption services.
long:All it takes is a single pro-lifer to say, "well, I love all newborns try to find them a loving home even if I can't personally provide for them
sue:Why arent they adopting the kids that are already out there?
long: Not all those kids are newborns, in fact, very few of them are. OH, i get it! You people ONLY care about the babies! I should have known better. How stupid of me! Well, you know what? Women are NOT going to have unwanted babies FOR prolifers!
You seem to confusing "pro-lifers" with "adopters." I was just saying adopters tend to want babies and younger children. How can anyone fault these people for wanting more of a blank slate to work with? Most adopters just aren't equipped to deal with older children and teenagers that tend to have trouble adjusting. Most of these kids up for adoption have been abandoned by their parents. They have a tough life and carry emotional baggage that most people don't know how to deal with.
Why do you think people can sell a baby on the black market for thousands of dollars? It's hard to arrange that transaction without getting in trouble with law enforcement, but it happens. Obviously, babies are valuable to those that want them.
long:Why do you think people can sell a baby on the black market for thousands of dollars WHAT???????????? Are you suggestiung we have millins of unwanted babies to sell on the black market?????????
No I'm not suggesting anything of that sort, just stating the fact that it does happen. I already said it's hard for people for arrange for such a transaction because they can get into trouble. Also the logistics of arranging such a transaction causes problems because it's hard for willing buyers to seek out sellers and vice versa. I was only pointing out that people out there want to adopt these babies, so it's a stupid point to say that they have no value because no one wants/loves them.
luke:a warped mind to say that just because soemone is hidden from view that they don't really exist
When the living start worrying about the non-existent, they descend into irrational, psychotic nonsense. Do you have ANY idea how disturbed that thinking is? Its like being obsessed with aliens from outer space! You have irrationally connected to something that dosen't exsist in the realm of everything that is an integral part of our "human beingness".
For one, it's the killing of a thing that has the potential to being a "whole person" to use your terms or it's the outright killing of a human being to use pro-lifer terminology VERSUS the a "poor doctor" who performs an illegal medical procedure and might be punished with a fine or suspension/revocation of his license to practice. It doesn't take a psychopath to be more concerned with one over the other, either way.
long:it's the killing of a thing that has the potential to being a "whole person" Irrelevant! the law deals in reality NOT obscurity--the known rather than the unknown. Potential means nothing.
If an owner of perfectly healthy dog decided that he could no longer afford to feed and take care of it and decided to kill it in a humane and painless way, instead of just putting it up for adoption, he would be committing a crime.
Even if you don't believe a fetus is a complete human being, there's an inconsistency, to say the least, that our society provides more legal protection to things that could never become human than things that have the potential to become a human being.
long: decided to kill it in a humane and painless way, instead of just putting it up for adoption, he would be committing a crime Why are you comparing a born creature with an unbron? There is NO comparision. We protect living things. fetuses arn't living as we know living to be.
longif you don't believe a fetus is a complete human being I do NOT choose to believe words are defined as I WANT them to be! There IS a legal definition for the word human being, and I know what it is
long:that our society provides more legal protection to things that could never become human than things that have the potential to become a human being. You mean they protectthings that could never become human BEINGS. We are ALWAYS of human origin. And what unborn thing is proteced more than a fetus? We havean interest in protecting fetal life, but ONLY through guaranteed access to pre-natal care, health care, &education for pregnant women, not by restricting abortion
well, if you define the word kill, it means that you are preventing someone from living right? wouldn't abortion be the same thing...Preventing Someone from Living? so if i were deciding the punishment, it would be a murder charge.
-we don't have the right to decide who lives or who dies-
It is a baby. "It" has a heart beat, and in just a few months would be developed, not into a car, or a house, there is only one thing this will be a fully developed baby.
nah. laws are not based on potential or else children would be allowed to drink b|c they will eventually turn the drinking age. unlike religions medical science doesnt define a zygote, embryo, or fetus as a baby.
doesn't matter what they define "it" as. watch the ultra sound video of an abortion of a baby at 12 weeks. watch it, it's on you tube, if you can stomach it. I know I couldn't without weeping. It's very sad and cruel
if you or some others want to define it as a baby that is your choice. unfortunately the world is not always a warm place and choices are made. i prefer more reasonable than emotional thinking on this matter though. as carl sagan said "better the hard truth...than the comforting fantasy."
A babys life isn't a comforting fantasy. and when they go in and cut the arms and legs off "it" and then suck "its" insides out I do tend to get emotional.
as i said if you want to consider a zygote, embryo, or fetus a baby that is your choice. i and others will go with the medical definition. many repubs, especially moderates and libertarians, are pro-choice. if the party wants to regain power it should learn to tolerate disagreement as the dems have.
That's not true we have laws in place that protect unborn children. And I havent said anything about religion, but I'm glad you noticed I am christian. God bless you.
Angrysean8 - The laws for unborn children are very loose and not enforced strictly. For instance, a pregnant woman can still purchase beer and drink it. Some abortionists in states like Illinois have even reported inducing labor on on a fetus 5 weeks away from birth. Then taking it into another room and letting it die on its own with no warmth or food. Is this murder? It very well may be.
Your own words will condemn you. Its the lowest form of humanity to prey on the innocent and defenceless. You don't even have any respect for your own mother.
Will they really? Will my words REALLY condemn me? Have I REALLY said anything out of line here? I think not..
I don't have respect for my mother? I'm so glad you know me well enough to make insolent judgements like that.
In fact, I'm gonna go get head from my fiance now. So when I cum, I'll be killing thousands of potential human lives in the matter of 5 seconds. NOW my words will condemn me.
'it' happens to be a human being. You were once an 'it'. It sounds like you've devolved since then. If I put a bag over your ugly face I won't be able to see you. It doesn't give me the right to then stab you to death. You'd still be a human, even with a bag over your ugly face.
Not quite sure if you were trying to piece together a sentence that made sense or not, but I'll put in an honest effort for a response.
All of your ranting about stabbing me while a bag is over my ugly face is vestigious, because it is irrelevant and off topic. I was talking about when a fetus turns into a person, not when it is visible to the naked eye, as your juvenile mind perceived.
And yes; 'It' is in reference to a fetus; an unborn human being.
Don't get your hopes up, pal. Unless I brutally murder a black woman after raping her and killing her kids in front of her, I won't be seeing the death penalty in the near future. It's a shame I was already born, for if I was not, my mother would have every right to take my life at her will.
How could you even label a lump of cells a human being just because they are of the specific type that could potentially if nurtured correctly grow into a child? But even if you do: so what if you kill a "human life" that is less conscious and self aware than the ants some children kill for fun. What does it matter?
Yes if they are unable to ever wake up, otherwise it is just a temporary condition. It is not just that they are unaware. A sleeping or knocked out person is unaware too. The fetus or cells have no possibility of any self awareness and they never had. Explain to me why they are more valuable than a pig or any other animal you kill everyday for food.
A pig is not ever going to become a fully aware human. Being a fetus is also just a temporary condition, like being asleep or knocked out, and it's one that we have all been through. The fetus will become self aware later on just like a person who is asleep.
The key difference is that the fetus has to turn into a human being. It is not yet and has never been. Maybe in the future we can turn a skin cell into a human (clone) would it then be illegal to peel off skin cells just because their potential to be turned into humans?
The skin cell would have the potential to be changed into something that will have the potential to become a human being, but the fetus will always have the potential to become a human being. The skin cell would be more like a sperm cell than a fetus. It won't become a human on its own.
The fetus or lump of cells can't become a human on its own. It needs needs a very sophisticated machine to be turned into a human, so sophisticated in fact that not even our top scientists have managed to even get close to constructing one themselves.
Yes, but it comes with that sophisticated machine. What's the point of pulling it out of the machine before it's done when you could just wait a little bit more and put it up for adoption if you really can't afford to take care of it?
Religion really doesn't have anything to do with it. I just think the fetus' right to life is a little more important than the mother's "right to choose" whether it lives or dies. I guess people don't really think that a fetus is developed enough to have rights, but if that's the case then I don't see why killing a pregnant woman is considered a double homicide.
religion has something to do with it. why do you think most pro-lifers are religious? lol. you believe zygote, embryo or fetus is equivalent to a conscious animal (humans are animals btw) and i (along with most of medical science) disagree. but thats what makes a free society. murder of a preg woman wasnt double homicide until dubya signed the bill. ever since reagan invited the south and religious right into the party of lincoln its been downhill and bush was the final nail in the coffin lol
phil you are a fucking moron you can what the fuck you want but if you go around killing human life then you deserve to go to jail. Abortion is the same case prochoice people are just as ignorant. Science has said human life begins at conception.
pro life people are just ignorant. Fuck you! Who says you can decide what I do? If I get a fucking accident and find out I am pregnant should I just keep it? wtf, I can't even support myself let alone another human being. It will kill us both. So you people rather see me suffer to let myself and a baby live then me getting a abortion after 2 months when the fetus is nothing more then a lump of cells. And just because you decide that? You are all afraid of the magic policeman in the sky.
There's always adoption. You don't have to kill you're kid just because you can't afford to keep it, and you probably should have thought about this before you started screwing around.
Serious, fuck you! You can't tell me that I should have thought about that! As if I don't know. Things happen, accidents happen. If a accident happens that kid shouldn't even be there. And NO, killing a lump of cells (that might grow to a human being) is NOT the same as killing a real human. Just like you said, killing a human in a deep coma is not the same as killing a fully aware human. Many people choose to let their relatives die when they are in deep coma. Stop acting like you know.
There's a difference between killing someone whose unconscious and letting them die. I thought it was obvious that it wouldn't be okay to kill someone just because they are unaware that you are killing them. Killing is wrong because you're stealing part of someone's life when you kill them. It seems to me that it would be even worse if you steal their entire life before it even begins. I don't see why people don't just give their kid up for adoption if they can't take care of them.
we do need federal abortion police there are doctors who will do things behind doors........he just contradicted himself..he said its up to states to decide that comes through authority.......abortion is wrong goverment must pass those bills to protect the sacredness of life
There's so much ignorance about abortion, if only people knew more. Its a wonder how so many people can form opinions on abortion when they don't know what it is. I know its a hot-button issue but people on both sides need to stop being governed by their emotions and start deciding based on the facts. If everyone knew the facts on abortion the controversy would disappear. Nearly all of the questions about abortion have already been answered. Educate yourself, go to abort73(dot)com.
come on evilsinz, again you use twisted logic. If you're going to hold to an opinion, use something that maintains some semblace to reality to support it.
Your position is short sighted and ignores so many consequential factors its a tenuous position to defend.
I'm sure at this point you're just trying to save face, so lets agree to discontinue this absurd discussion, and walk away accepting to the opinions of others.
Let's take inventory: Your opinion places womens rights above that of the fetus, and you cite starving folks worldwide to justify abortion.
My position states that the aborted fetus as having the potential to solve world hunger, or to be an top notch advocate for womens rights. Maybe even cure cancer, or solve the worlds energy problems.
All the potential is lost if you throw the fetus in the trash. A life lived is far more rewarding if you just give it a chance.
Ron Paula ideas are not radical, they only seem so to some for two reasons. 1) they are brainwashed into a way of thinking and living as if there is no other. 2) they seem radical because people aren't really looking at the surmounting problem, and their lack of appreciation and understanding of whats coming it gives the appearance that dr. Ron is "too radical".
franklyhanky 1 week ago
Look at any medical procedure and it may well turn your stomach but no one really wants to have a late semester abortion but to deny a medically necessary procedure is not right- the decision is between the physician and the patient, not the physician, patient and the government.
msburke1234 1 week ago
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Depends on what you mean by medically necessary, though.
If there's a chance a woman could die from the birth, than abortion should be okay.
But if she just doesn't want to have the kid, that's not a medically necessary procedure.
heatbucspies55 3 days ago
what if the fetus is dead and they just take it out? is that what they mean by partial birth? The baby is already dead, I doubt anyone will just willy nilly choose to get an abortion in their 3rd trimester.
jesskazen 2 weeks ago
@jesskazen Look up partial birth abortion, it will turn your stomach, the fetus is very much alive, during this process...
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goodyoj 1 month ago
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makeiteasyable 1 month ago
If people want less government in their lives, then abortion which should be between a patient and her physician, and not between the woman, her physician and the government . It is no person's right to control the lives of others- women are not chattel and should not be treated as such. If you cannot trust a person to make a decision about her own body, then how can you trust them to raise a child?
msburke1234 7 months ago
@msburke1234 You're assuming the baby isn't alive and that its not murder, we don't let women murder there babies after they are born and the argument is that the baby is alive and so it is murder.
Vintexen 4 months ago
@msburke1234 So partial birth and third trimester abortion is ok to you, have you ever read or seen how one is preformed. Your comment about women not being chattel is true, but neither is a child...
libertythemovement 2 weeks ago
Ron Paul would be the greatest pick because he barely can speak in public and because he can't get to the fucking point and has to babble about it for fifteen mins.
Mauser91 8 months ago
Why do they all act like it is an easy decision for a woman to have an Abortion? The problem starts with the lacking Sex education in the USA. It is proven by the statistics that preaching Abstinence doesn't work.
It is not like a woman has Abortion after Abortion because it's so much fun. Nobody has the Right to impose on another's will, and your freedom ends where my freedom begins.
Sorry about my insufficient English
robertW2471 9 months ago
@robertW2471 "Why do they all act like it is an easy decision for a woman to have an Abortion? The problem starts with the lacking Sex education in the USA"
I dont knoow where you got that one. Teen pregnancy is down. Most abortions are performed on older women. My mother after having menopause for a whole yr got pregnant. When she saw her doc he told her this was not uncommon. Many women who are on the pill get pregnant also. Many of whom are married.
kmcl11 8 months ago
In all fairness, ever since Obama was elected, I've thought differently about abortion....I'm now of the opinion that there is one advantage to having an abortion: You don't have to worry about bringing forth a birth certificate.
VoiceOfModeration 11 months ago
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@VoiceOfModeration " all fairness, ever since Obama was elected, I've thought differently about abortion....I'm now of the opinion that there is one advantage to having an abortion: You don't have to worry about bringing forth a birth certificate."
Wow what a dumb comment
kmcl11 8 months ago
DEath Sentence for dem dumb bitches who abort babies considering pro life says they are human beings and have life and not parasites. DEUS VULT. Problem?
vinsong 11 months ago
51 people are anti-baby!
VoiceOfModeration 1 year ago
@VoiceOfModeration Not cool, clever or cute.
ThePoliticalFreak 1 year ago
@ThePoliticalFreak 51 people are Left-wing pieces of garbage!
VoiceOfModeration 1 year ago
@VoiceOfModeration ahem, now it's 52. U miring.
vinsong 11 months ago
@vinsong 52 people are left-wing wastes of skin!
VoiceOfModeration 11 months ago
@VoiceOfModeration You know you love me
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coolvideo28 1 year ago
as a person who stay from the out side and just notice this politicians , i don't think besides Ron PAul the Republicans can beat obama in 2012, he can stay on topic using substance and he can make argument without re-defining what an american means.
yonsoon 1 year ago
also adoption as an alternative to abortion can be encouraged;
I'm not saying these thing are the 100% best solution in general... but this IS what a government should do!
that's what I think
bbphnix 1 year ago
forcing is not the solution; unprotected sex, wed-locks, ignorance and other such thing should be DISCOURAGED! I mean massively! that's what a government should do; not force the women into doing something that... well, killing a human being even if it's in utero is a horrible thing but if that child is unplanned it is so for a reason and forcing a woman to take care of a an unplanned child can be equally horrible (see the examples I gave in the other comment of reasons for not having a child)
bbphnix 1 year ago
abortion should not be outlawed anywhere in the world ever....
you see, I for one think that it's rational to consider a foetus a human as much as an adult is; but if abortion is outlawed you're forcing women have an unplanned child... I mean, if it's not planed, it's not planed for a REASON! they can't take care of it, it's a defective child, the girl is too young, like 15 or something....
bbphnix 1 year ago
she should recieve murder charges because she is taking another persons life
StrainingDingelberry 1 year ago
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Murder is a capital crime in many states in the U.S.
There about 1.3 million abortions performed every year which would mean if all those women were arrested, tried and sentenced to death, the US would execute about 1.3 million women. If there was a backlog that would multiple the number of executions to millions and millions. Huge prisons would have to built with millions of soldiers with rifles and tanks guarding them.
That's fucking crazy.
adoseofsanity 1 year ago
Ron Paul has been saying the same thing for years. WHY? Because he puts his personal conflictions aside and comes to legal conclusions based on the constitution.
davitodude 1 year ago
#1 Abortion should be up to the people who have created the fetus.
#2 Mainly the Women because it is her body.
#3 A fetus's brain does not start working until eight weeks.
#4 A fetus does NOT feel pain until the 28th week of gestation.
#5 GOD DOES NOT EXIST, it does not matter what it says in the bible.
#6 Abortion is not child abuse because its not even alive yet to be a child until a certain age of gestation. YOU want to stop child abuse, then go after the people who are hurting their born.
KateDANMIT 1 year ago
9/11 was an inside job ... Proof ... youtube.com/watch?v=ssuAMNas1us
parish32 1 year ago
What the fuck? Abortion is the NUMBER 1 PROBLEM for that other guy??(Not Paul) Wow he has some fucked up philosophy if he thinks ABORTION is the biggest problem in the US. Screw uninsured people, screw the wars, forget the jobs, who cares about the economy, ABORTION IS WHAT WE MUST FOCUS ON!!! Crazy old geezer.
iluvsystemofadown 1 year ago
I agree with Ron Paul on this one. It's a state's right to make abortion laws and I'm getting tired of people on both sides using the issue to form attacks on Federal canidates. In state races, go for it. Personally I think the best solution is to strictly limit how long a woman can wait to make the decision. It's a difficult choice to make but 6 to 8 weeks is plenty of time to figure it out.
BudWithBeats76 1 year ago 2
@BudWithBeats76 Christians like to say life begins at conception yet have no scientific evidence to back that claim. Their view-point is based in religious belief. The constitution says "congress shall pass no law" with regard to religion, so having a federal abortion law based on what the Bible says would be unconstitutional.
BudWithBeats76 1 year ago
@BudWithBeats76 Agreed, finally someone informed!!!
KateDANMIT 1 year ago
@BudWithBeats76 well, I'm atheistic and yet I think a person begins to exist at conception, specifically because of scientific evidence;
what would you say to that? (PS I am not saying abortion should be outlawed; even if it is just as much a human being as an adult, forcing women to do something very bad against themselves is not the answer... not for a government; encouraging prevention methods is; I left some comments with much more details above)
bbphnix 1 year ago
@BudWithBeats76 Agreed. you are factual and logical about it.
KateDANMIT 1 year ago
We need to prevent the pregnancies before they happen. There is no reason that people should have unwanted pregnancies in this day and age. There's to much info out there about how to prevent it. If your not smart enough to figure it out than you shouldn't have sex until you do the research on how to prevent it. Oh and guess what condoms break. Use a back up method.
Solitaire427 1 year ago
While I'm liberal and don't agree with conservative values, I did like Paul the best of the R candidates. I think if the campaign had been between Paul and Obama, it would have been a lot more interesting.
We also would have been spared the Palin media circus, and would have had more air time between the two main candidates and their positions. Overall, better for everybody IMO.
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aquaman77310 2 years ago
Ron Paul would have been the greatest pick for the presidency than all the other candidates. All the other candidates & the media single him out because He truly is a real conservative. He doesn't sugar coat anything & just tell it like it is. He is the people's President. Ron Paul for 2012.
noneofyob1zz 2 years ago 26
No man Gary Johnson,Peter Schiff,or Rand Paul.
cpblackangel88 2 years ago
He should have been our president. Period. end of subject. Amen, my friend. I agree with you, and I'm afraid hope is lost since we missed him. This corporatocracy will ensure that neither Ron or Rand Paul, his son, are voted into office. This government will ensure that no one like them ever makes it that far.
jsorrell 2 years ago
@noneofyob1zz Paul got this one wrong. he said punish the doc and each state should be different. So a different punishment depending on the state. what bullshit. He knew he couldnt blame the woman asking for the ab, he would be booed all the way back to TX.
kmcl11 8 months ago
@noneofyob1zz This is true, but alot of republicans and my stepmom for one. Believe he is way to radical to be president. I total disagree.
MegaELECTRICEYE 6 months ago
Well Paul got asked this question,because the Republicans wanted to hurt him. Overturn Roe V Wade and let state government decide. Yet overall the punishment if made illegal should be both the doctor and the girl who get in trouble. Yet I feel it should be left legal either way.
cpblackangel88 2 years ago
Let's outlaw abortion, which is murder.
people who promote abortion need to repent.
2000yrCatholic 2 years ago
Bad idea.
I'd rather my government not tell me what to believe or when to repent because they no neither repentance or righteousness. When we let our government dictate what is right and wrong, we will be in big trouble. Abortion is murder, but the arbiters of religion cannot be the government. Don't be surprised when unbelievers act like unbelievers. Why are we so angry about abortion? Because God hates it? or because we do? It better be because it is horrible in God's sight, not ours.
jsorrell 2 years ago
First let's outlaw abortion, which is murder.
2000yrCatholic 2 years ago
it is murder...but I like killing!
I want a culture of death!
IbnNero 2 years ago
They hate paul because he is the only real conservative up there.
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago
It seems to that many of the people who are against abortion are that way because their personal beleifs tell them to be, such as letting religion influence their opinion. People may say that this is not an area for a person to choose "who lives and dies," although I would rather have the woman make the choice than the gov. I am pro-choice because I am against the government interference of a womans right to choose.
betterthanbarker 2 years ago
Say yes to life also means, give chance to all Peopels, all over the WORLD!!!
Jonroys 2 years ago
My prayer are for Roe vs Wade to be over turned. So many innocent lives being massacred for selfish evil reason. This has to stop.
noneofyob1zz 2 years ago
What has killed more innocent lives: abortion or the War on Terror? I'm interested in your response.
gpwerner 2 years ago
Abortion by far has killed more lives than the "War on Terror"; but I'm not supporting the "War on Terror" either. My believes are that that war is all propaganda & was labeled like that to merely fool the people into justly begin a war that really shouldn't have gotten started.
It was all staged and plan accordingly.
noneofyob1zz 2 years ago
and yet none of these men well never get pregent.
Molego 2 years ago
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mtaguyman 2 years ago
yes abortion is wrong, but the federal government has no need to be involved at all. period.
chicoricov2 2 years ago
Women should get the Death Penalty if they have an illegal abortion. Duh. Abortion is murder. Murderer should get the death penalty.
autopsi 2 years ago 2
The driving philosophy behind the pro-life movement is that no human has the right to decide when to end the life of another. Regardless of assumed righteous motives. That's why we're in this mess. Bringing up the death penalty is counterproductive to the cause.
mtaguyman 2 years ago
While that might be the true. Polls show that people who are Pro-Life typically support the death penalty... Regardless of the reason people are Pro-life (God, Allah, end the life of another) there will be a penalty if someone still has an abortion. There is no way it will not be premeditated so 1st degree murder yields the Death Penalty.
autopsi 2 years ago
well said.
Shelenator1 2 years ago
the driving philosophy behind the pro-life movement is the subservience and oppression of woman. abortion provides a much-needed lifeline to women who are not ready to be mothers, or who already have more children than they wish. telling a woman she cannot have an abortion could be considered the equivalent to ending her life as she knows it.
myxomarit 2 years ago
bullshit!
abortion creates only more abortions and even a more violent society where snuff movies will be the norm!
abortion makes young men disrespect sexuality and the role of fatherhood
IbnNero 2 years ago
the women are in a tough situation, however, the doctors should be prosecuted. the doctors make millions of dollars off of abortion, therefore they should pay the price under the law.
Dani9901 2 years ago
Then, at the very least, women should get accessory to murder or negligent homicide. In addition, we get the added bonus of at home, self-abortions! Watch Revolutionary Road (2008).
autopsi 2 years ago
@autopsi Its not murder it is NOT a human yet... its a flab of skin and components that make up a human but not an actual human yet.
A person that has and gives an abortion after the fetus is 4-5 months old or older should have to get some kind of disciplinary action, because that is when the baby can feel pain and is mostly alive.
KateDANMIT 1 year ago
@KateDANMIT So after 4-5 months the doctor and the mother should get Murder 1 and anyone who knew about (family/boyfriend/husband/nurses/receptionists) it gets "accessory before the fact" or "accessory after the fact" or "accessory before and after the fact."
autopsi 1 year ago
@autopsi I did not say murder in the 1st degree but disciplinary action should be taken.
Saying if they did get charged with murder in the 1st that is a GREAT question.
Hmmmm, I dunno there would be no real proof the family or the significant other knew about it.
The receptionist as well might not know how far along she is.
I really do not know what should be done about the nurse or nurses though... most likely accessory before and after... what is your opinion???
KateDANMIT 1 year ago
It is THAT HARD to use a condom or plan a baby or be responsible?!
drewd1987 2 years ago
Paul - wimp. These same men would not have stood up to Slavery either!
Fred Thompson - If Roe V. Wade is overturned...yes it would be a crime!
bschmid100 2 years ago
Paul and Thompson gave the exact same answer, schmid. Both said Roe V Wade should be overturned, and then it should go to the states, and then doctors should be the ones to be punished.
So how is Paul a wimp while Thompson is right??? They said the same thing!
Pwells1 2 years ago
Killing an innocet life is much worst than killing an mature human life.
A young child inside his/her mother's womb has never committed any harm, wrong, or crime. It is completer with out fault.
Personally, I've committed so many vicious act, their for, I do deserve some type of punishment for those act, & if tried, i would accept any judgment for my action.
noneofyob1zz 2 years ago
how can killing an innocent life be any worse than killing a mature life? Murder is murder all the same, any way you put it. It is a crime one way or another. There are times when you gotta do waht has to be done. But I go with Paul on this one - leave it up to the states to decide.
hogger129 2 years ago
Which is worst, killing a small child, or killing a mature person.
Which could be worst, raping a senior citizen woman, or raping a lil girl.
These questions aren't hard to answer. Of course hearing about a younger person going through such misfortunes makes us feel more upset(or a least to most of us)
So, by this same reasoning, I believe that killing a baby inside the mother's womb is wost than killing a full grown person.
noneofyob1zz 2 years ago
But I assume that you also did good things in life right? So by your logic you are also better because you have performed good deeds in this world. Or does it only count for bad things?
philateliceun 2 years ago
Yes, I think your right. People who committed good deed should be compensated & rewarded for those things. But, we live in world/society were this is viewed as absurd. Good people who committed righteous acts are NEVER charge, persecute & rewarded in our laws/legal system. I guess people do it just to satisfy their own special desire, which is good enough for them, I guess.But, this is not the case for me, I think I committed more wrong then right.
noneofyob1zz 2 years ago
ever noticed how when something good happens god creates miracles, but when shit goes wrong he works in mysterious ways.
opalrok 2 years ago
Difference is that God has created a lot of great things that he has given to us. We are the ones that cause shit to go wrong.
tomperanteau 2 years ago
you don't know what i've been through. whether god has given us a lot or not, people have done some real bad things to me and god didn't do anything to stop them. and if god loved everyone he would never have let those things happen to me. ever. i was just a kid, and i didn't do anything to deserve it.
opalrok 2 years ago
Opalrok: I can feel the pain in your words and I'm sorry for what you've suffered. It's a delicate line. It seems that people either want God to control everything, or to leave them alone. Micah 6:8 says that God has SHOWN us what is good, and he hopes that we will follow it. The Bible doesn't teach at all that everything is predestined or everything that happens is God's will. There is a purpose, however. Feel free to message me and I'd share a thought or two...no strings attached.
pizzanpipes 2 years ago
FRED THOMPSON IS RETARDED
legacy6684 2 years ago
Now, THERE is an intelligent response. You're Liberal, I take it.
tomperanteau 2 years ago
NO I'M NOT A SOCIALIST
legacy6684 2 years ago
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To the people that allow this, and to the people that did this to this human child "you are evil" and soon you all will be judged.
I wrote letters to United States leaders of governments back in 1993 about abortion, and I said if I could be elected president of the United States, I would have all arrested for crimes against humanity, and including those that create life... then want doctors to kill the life that they created.
google search apostle gary savage
yahwehmessiah 2 years ago
I would like to correct several misconceptions that sue has. first, The baby is not part of a womans body, it is a distinct life form. just check the DNA profile of the mother and the baby. since the DNA is different then it is a distinct living person. Abortion is killing a baby, wanted or not, it is a baby. It is not just a clump of cells or tissue. If you want to have a toe removed than you have every right to do so. I hope that this clarified the facts for you sue.
lesteryoung69 2 years ago 2
ok foghorn leghorn
curlyfry1106 2 years ago
Ron Paul's principles if followed by every american... would result in heaven on earth...
punjabisikhwarrior 2 years ago 2
This political football has it's root in Christian theology. What we Christians don't get is that God is pro choice. That's right. We can choose to do good or evil. It is within our power to stop abortion in this nation. We can simply choose not to get abortions. 86% of people here claim to follow Jesus. We are the ones getting the abortions and then trying to legislate against it.The fear of God,not man,is the beginning of wisdom.
lifeseeker51 2 years ago 2
I agree w RP somewhat.I am pro choice and there is rarely any reason for a late term abortion (only mentally) ..too bad he doesnt know what punishment the doc should get. I guess since we have 50 states that means there will be a broad range of punishments..how stupid.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
Its funny how you're concerned about the poor doctor who might get punished but no concern for the unborn child who will be killed in the process. What warped reasoning?
LukeAir2008 2 years ago
I think it is unfortunate what the child go thru. What happens next.
sandroeleven 2 years ago
luke:Its funny how you're concerned about the poor doctor who might get punished but no concern for the unborn child who will be killed in the process. Only psychopaths can see someone cocooned inside another's body, as a whole person and compare it to a god damned doctor. Whats wrong w/ you?
sueezee 2 years ago
Someone else who is in denial of reality. Did I touch a raw nerve? You have lost your ability to see reason. If a human has no value before it is born then it must have no value after. Its total dishonesty and the product of a warped mind to say that just because soemone is hidden from view that they don't really exist. What a disgrace to the human race you are!
LukeAir2008 2 years ago
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sueezee 2 years ago
Are you on medication? Or are you just mentally retarded? The non-existent? You sound like someone who has maybe killed a human or two and now wants to justify her crime by dislocating herself from reality. Just because you say something doesnt exist doesnt make it so. Try drugs to ease your pain. And do some research on unborn humans. They really do exist!
LukeAir2008 2 years ago
Luke - "Are you on medication? Or are you just mentally retarded?"
I'm confused. Is there a difference between the two? Do retards not take medication? It's apparent that you are the most credible source to provide a legitimate response to this question.
SarahPalinEatsBabies 2 years ago
Why so interested in someone who you perceive to be a retard who takes medication? Are you looking for a date? A soul mate perhaps?
longhornmed 2 years ago
longhornmed - Date? Soul mate? Nope. Just an answer to my simple question. I hoped that part would be palpable.
SarahPalinEatsBabies 2 years ago
luke:If a human has no value before it is born then it must have no value after. In what way? lay a new baby that no one knows about in the desert. It dies. Where was its value? It had no more than the dead rat beside it. If it had been found and loved before it died, it woud have had value as a peson because of itsability to participate in society, or at least be recognized as a member of society.
luke: What a disgrace to the human race you are! Abortion is legal for a reason
sueezee 2 years ago
If I dump you in the middle of the desert you will die, fool!
LukeAir2008 2 years ago
Says who? The jews managed to withstand the desert for 40 years.
SarahPalinEatsBabies 2 years ago
luke: The non-existent? oh im SOOOOOOOO sorry. I forget that you play rugby with fetuses on a reg basis and they are NOT a non-exsistant human beings to you! Forgive me. I dont quite know how to converse with the mentally ill.
like: And do some research on unborn humans. They really do exist!
I know. I said they dont exsist as HUMAN BEINGS. Do they have reading classes in the psyhc ward you could sign up for?
sueezee 2 years ago
What pro-lifers argue is that there is value intrinsic to life itself before and after birth, even a baby that no one loved or cared about. According to your logic, anyone who doesn't "participate" in society can be disposed of.
longhornmed 2 years ago
long:What pro-lifers argue is that there is value intrinsic to life itself before and after birth, even a baby that no one loved or cared about. . Value is NOT gained by being a participant in society. Brain dead people are valuale to the ones who love him but to NO ONE ELSE! Value comes from being loved & wanted. Lay a new baby in the desert no one knows about , it dies, where was its value? It had NONE , & if you think it did, what was it?
sueezee 2 years ago
How many people need to love something before it has value? All it takes is a single pro-lifer to say, "well, I love all newborns and unborns and I would try to find them a loving home even if I can't personally provide for them." A newborn baby has value to anyone who wants a baby but cannot conceive one on their own. That's why it's illegal to put a baby in a dumpster and people are supposed to drop them off at a safe haven (ie. fire station) if they didn't want him.
longhornmed 2 years ago
long:A newborn baby has value to anyone who wants a baby 250,000 kids up for adoption today, Where are al these frickin peopl handing out the love. Do NOT tell me there is a person to love TEN MILLION UNWANTED BABIES IN 10 YRS!!!!
long:All it takes is a single pro-lifer to say, "well, I love all newborns try to find them a loving home even if I can't personally provide for them BULL SHIT!They do NOT say that! Why do you think there are 1/4 million unadopted??? good god!
sueezee 2 years ago
You're confusing the issue. Not all those kids are newborns, in fact, very few of them are. People are deterred from adopting older kids because they come with a lot of problems and emotional baggage. Those kids deserve a loving home, but not everyone looking to adopt are equipped to deal with older children and teenagers that have been abandoned.
longhornmed 2 years ago
long:Not all those kids are newborns regardless...are you still saying we can deal with TEN MILLION unwanted babies?
sueezee 2 years ago
According to National Abortion Federation, 1.3 million abortions are performed each year. Still 1.3 million is a big number and criminalizing all abortions is obviously impractical and a total non-starter.
But here's just one idea: In 2006, Planned Parenthood performed 260,000 abortions, but made only 1400 adoption referrals. If federal funding can be used to help PP operations, it can be used to expand PP's existing adoption services.
longhornmed 2 years ago 8
How many miscarriages happen per year including when women mestruates a zygote or blastocyst,before they realize their pregnant?
Doesnt God have any responsibility in this issue?
xj2yzz 2 years ago
@longhornmed there should be many many many many more people like you in this world; truly a reasoning argument
bbphnix 1 year ago
long:All it takes is a single pro-lifer to say, "well, I love all newborns try to find them a loving home even if I can't personally provide for them
sue:Why arent they adopting the kids that are already out there?
long: Not all those kids are newborns, in fact, very few of them are. OH, i get it! You people ONLY care about the babies! I should have known better. How stupid of me! Well, you know what? Women are NOT going to have unwanted babies FOR prolifers!
sueezee 2 years ago
You seem to confusing "pro-lifers" with "adopters." I was just saying adopters tend to want babies and younger children. How can anyone fault these people for wanting more of a blank slate to work with? Most adopters just aren't equipped to deal with older children and teenagers that tend to have trouble adjusting. Most of these kids up for adoption have been abandoned by their parents. They have a tough life and carry emotional baggage that most people don't know how to deal with.
longhornmed 2 years ago
Why do you think people can sell a baby on the black market for thousands of dollars? It's hard to arrange that transaction without getting in trouble with law enforcement, but it happens. Obviously, babies are valuable to those that want them.
longhornmed 2 years ago
long:Why do you think people can sell a baby on the black market for thousands of dollars WHAT???????????? Are you suggestiung we have millins of unwanted babies to sell on the black market?????????
sueezee 2 years ago
No I'm not suggesting anything of that sort, just stating the fact that it does happen. I already said it's hard for people for arrange for such a transaction because they can get into trouble. Also the logistics of arranging such a transaction causes problems because it's hard for willing buyers to seek out sellers and vice versa. I was only pointing out that people out there want to adopt these babies, so it's a stupid point to say that they have no value because no one wants/loves them.
longhornmed 2 years ago
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sueezee 2 years ago
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luke:a warped mind to say that just because soemone is hidden from view that they don't really exist
When the living start worrying about the non-existent, they descend into irrational, psychotic nonsense. Do you have ANY idea how disturbed that thinking is? Its like being obsessed with aliens from outer space! You have irrationally connected to something that dosen't exsist in the realm of everything that is an integral part of our "human beingness".
Shall we talked about warped?
sueezee 2 years ago
For one, it's the killing of a thing that has the potential to being a "whole person" to use your terms or it's the outright killing of a human being to use pro-lifer terminology VERSUS the a "poor doctor" who performs an illegal medical procedure and might be punished with a fine or suspension/revocation of his license to practice. It doesn't take a psychopath to be more concerned with one over the other, either way.
longhornmed 2 years ago
long:it's the killing of a thing that has the potential to being a "whole person" Irrelevant! the law deals in reality NOT obscurity--the known rather than the unknown. Potential means nothing.
sueezee 2 years ago
If an owner of perfectly healthy dog decided that he could no longer afford to feed and take care of it and decided to kill it in a humane and painless way, instead of just putting it up for adoption, he would be committing a crime.
Even if you don't believe a fetus is a complete human being, there's an inconsistency, to say the least, that our society provides more legal protection to things that could never become human than things that have the potential to become a human being.
longhornmed 2 years ago
long: decided to kill it in a humane and painless way, instead of just putting it up for adoption, he would be committing a crime Why are you comparing a born creature with an unbron? There is NO comparision. We protect living things. fetuses arn't living as we know living to be.
longif you don't believe a fetus is a complete human being I do NOT choose to believe words are defined as I WANT them to be! There IS a legal definition for the word human being, and I know what it is
sueezee 2 years ago
long:that our society provides more legal protection to things that could never become human than things that have the potential to become a human being. You mean they protectthings that could never become human BEINGS. We are ALWAYS of human origin. And what unborn thing is proteced more than a fetus? We havean interest in protecting fetal life, but ONLY through guaranteed access to pre-natal care, health care, &education for pregnant women, not by restricting abortion
sueezee 2 years ago
well, if you define the word kill, it means that you are preventing someone from living right? wouldn't abortion be the same thing...Preventing Someone from Living? so if i were deciding the punishment, it would be a murder charge.
-we don't have the right to decide who lives or who dies-
bardock19929 2 years ago
federal abortion police...lol
sandroeleven 2 years ago
because its not a baby lol
freakazoidodo 2 years ago
It is a baby. "It" has a heart beat, and in just a few months would be developed, not into a car, or a house, there is only one thing this will be a fully developed baby.
Angrysean8 2 years ago
nah. laws are not based on potential or else children would be allowed to drink b|c they will eventually turn the drinking age. unlike religions medical science doesnt define a zygote, embryo, or fetus as a baby.
freakazoidodo 2 years ago
doesn't matter what they define "it" as. watch the ultra sound video of an abortion of a baby at 12 weeks. watch it, it's on you tube, if you can stomach it. I know I couldn't without weeping. It's very sad and cruel
Angrysean8 2 years ago 3
if you or some others want to define it as a baby that is your choice. unfortunately the world is not always a warm place and choices are made. i prefer more reasonable than emotional thinking on this matter though. as carl sagan said "better the hard truth...than the comforting fantasy."
freakazoidodo 2 years ago
A babys life isn't a comforting fantasy. and when they go in and cut the arms and legs off "it" and then suck "its" insides out I do tend to get emotional.
Angrysean8 2 years ago
as i said if you want to consider a zygote, embryo, or fetus a baby that is your choice. i and others will go with the medical definition. many repubs, especially moderates and libertarians, are pro-choice. if the party wants to regain power it should learn to tolerate disagreement as the dems have.
freakazoidodo 2 years ago
Angrysean8 - 50 out of 50 states in the U.S. don't recognize it as a "baby" until it exits the woman's vagina.
Religion and medical science are like water and oil; They don't mix well, do they?
SarahPalinEatsBabies 2 years ago
That's not true we have laws in place that protect unborn children. And I havent said anything about religion, but I'm glad you noticed I am christian. God bless you.
Angrysean8 2 years ago
Angrysean8 - The laws for unborn children are very loose and not enforced strictly. For instance, a pregnant woman can still purchase beer and drink it. Some abortionists in states like Illinois have even reported inducing labor on on a fetus 5 weeks away from birth. Then taking it into another room and letting it die on its own with no warmth or food. Is this murder? It very well may be.
SarahPalinEatsBabies 2 years ago
Your own words will condemn you. Its the lowest form of humanity to prey on the innocent and defenceless. You don't even have any respect for your own mother.
LukeAir2008 2 years ago
Will they really? Will my words REALLY condemn me? Have I REALLY said anything out of line here? I think not..
I don't have respect for my mother? I'm so glad you know me well enough to make insolent judgements like that.
In fact, I'm gonna go get head from my fiance now. So when I cum, I'll be killing thousands of potential human lives in the matter of 5 seconds. NOW my words will condemn me.
SarahPalinEatsBabies 2 years ago
'it' happens to be a human being. You were once an 'it'. It sounds like you've devolved since then. If I put a bag over your ugly face I won't be able to see you. It doesn't give me the right to then stab you to death. You'd still be a human, even with a bag over your ugly face.
LukeAir2008 2 years ago
Not quite sure if you were trying to piece together a sentence that made sense or not, but I'll put in an honest effort for a response.
All of your ranting about stabbing me while a bag is over my ugly face is vestigious, because it is irrelevant and off topic. I was talking about when a fetus turns into a person, not when it is visible to the naked eye, as your juvenile mind perceived.
And yes; 'It' is in reference to a fetus; an unborn human being.
SarahPalinEatsBabies 2 years ago
Hopefully there will be legislation passed to allow the killing of morons like you very soon!
LukeAir2008 2 years ago
Don't get your hopes up, pal. Unless I brutally murder a black woman after raping her and killing her kids in front of her, I won't be seeing the death penalty in the near future. It's a shame I was already born, for if I was not, my mother would have every right to take my life at her will.
Too little, 38 years too late.
SarahPalinEatsBabies 2 years ago
luke: It doesn't give me the right to then stab you to death. You'd still be a human, even with a bag over your ugly face. wow, that was brilliant
sueezee 2 years ago
thats unfair if it becomes ilegal because its your own choosing!!!
xthesamandJessshowx 2 years ago
How could you even label a lump of cells a human being just because they are of the specific type that could potentially if nurtured correctly grow into a child? But even if you do: so what if you kill a "human life" that is less conscious and self aware than the ants some children kill for fun. What does it matter?
Hedning1390 2 years ago
Is it okay to kill a person in a coma because they are unaware too?
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
Yes if they are unable to ever wake up, otherwise it is just a temporary condition. It is not just that they are unaware. A sleeping or knocked out person is unaware too. The fetus or cells have no possibility of any self awareness and they never had. Explain to me why they are more valuable than a pig or any other animal you kill everyday for food.
Hedning1390 2 years ago
A pig is not ever going to become a fully aware human. Being a fetus is also just a temporary condition, like being asleep or knocked out, and it's one that we have all been through. The fetus will become self aware later on just like a person who is asleep.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
The key difference is that the fetus has to turn into a human being. It is not yet and has never been. Maybe in the future we can turn a skin cell into a human (clone) would it then be illegal to peel off skin cells just because their potential to be turned into humans?
Hedning1390 2 years ago
The skin cell would have the potential to be changed into something that will have the potential to become a human being, but the fetus will always have the potential to become a human being. The skin cell would be more like a sperm cell than a fetus. It won't become a human on its own.
What's wrong with adoption?
ab1tchslap 2 years ago 2
The fetus or lump of cells can't become a human on its own. It needs needs a very sophisticated machine to be turned into a human, so sophisticated in fact that not even our top scientists have managed to even get close to constructing one themselves.
Hedning1390 2 years ago
Yes, but it comes with that sophisticated machine. What's the point of pulling it out of the machine before it's done when you could just wait a little bit more and put it up for adoption if you really can't afford to take care of it?
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
whats wrong with you tolerating individual freedom and not trying to push your religious beliefs on others? lol
freakazoidodo 2 years ago
Religion really doesn't have anything to do with it. I just think the fetus' right to life is a little more important than the mother's "right to choose" whether it lives or dies. I guess people don't really think that a fetus is developed enough to have rights, but if that's the case then I don't see why killing a pregnant woman is considered a double homicide.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
religion has something to do with it. why do you think most pro-lifers are religious? lol. you believe zygote, embryo or fetus is equivalent to a conscious animal (humans are animals btw) and i (along with most of medical science) disagree. but thats what makes a free society. murder of a preg woman wasnt double homicide until dubya signed the bill. ever since reagan invited the south and religious right into the party of lincoln its been downhill and bush was the final nail in the coffin lol
freakazoidodo 2 years ago
okay
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
phil you are a fucking moron you can what the fuck you want but if you go around killing human life then you deserve to go to jail. Abortion is the same case prochoice people are just as ignorant. Science has said human life begins at conception.
ChaoticSouls 2 years ago
Abortion is wrong and should be done only to save a life.
razzer321 2 years ago
pro life people are just ignorant. Fuck you! Who says you can decide what I do? If I get a fucking accident and find out I am pregnant should I just keep it? wtf, I can't even support myself let alone another human being. It will kill us both. So you people rather see me suffer to let myself and a baby live then me getting a abortion after 2 months when the fetus is nothing more then a lump of cells. And just because you decide that? You are all afraid of the magic policeman in the sky.
philateliceun 2 years ago 2
There's always adoption. You don't have to kill you're kid just because you can't afford to keep it, and you probably should have thought about this before you started screwing around.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
Serious, fuck you! You can't tell me that I should have thought about that! As if I don't know. Things happen, accidents happen. If a accident happens that kid shouldn't even be there. And NO, killing a lump of cells (that might grow to a human being) is NOT the same as killing a real human. Just like you said, killing a human in a deep coma is not the same as killing a fully aware human. Many people choose to let their relatives die when they are in deep coma. Stop acting like you know.
philateliceun 2 years ago
There's a difference between killing someone whose unconscious and letting them die. I thought it was obvious that it wouldn't be okay to kill someone just because they are unaware that you are killing them. Killing is wrong because you're stealing part of someone's life when you kill them. It seems to me that it would be even worse if you steal their entire life before it even begins. I don't see why people don't just give their kid up for adoption if they can't take care of them.
ab1tchslap 2 years ago
the women made that moral decision to get rid of the baby withouth her approval...baby is not killed..........she is liable......
chalatenango234 2 years ago
we do need federal abortion police there are doctors who will do things behind doors........he just contradicted himself..he said its up to states to decide that comes through authority.......abortion is wrong goverment must pass those bills to protect the sacredness of life
chalatenango234 2 years ago
TRUTH ALERT!
There's so much ignorance about abortion, if only people knew more. Its a wonder how so many people can form opinions on abortion when they don't know what it is. I know its a hot-button issue but people on both sides need to stop being governed by their emotions and start deciding based on the facts. If everyone knew the facts on abortion the controversy would disappear. Nearly all of the questions about abortion have already been answered. Educate yourself, go to abort73(dot)com.
HumanRights4Everyone 2 years ago
every woman has the right to a dead baby
trevoreriksmoen 2 years ago
Charge them with murder it's illegal.
andreamirelez 3 years ago
come on evilsinz, again you use twisted logic. If you're going to hold to an opinion, use something that maintains some semblace to reality to support it.
Your position is short sighted and ignores so many consequential factors its a tenuous position to defend.
I'm sure at this point you're just trying to save face, so lets agree to discontinue this absurd discussion, and walk away accepting to the opinions of others.
pizzafrenzyman 3 years ago
Evilsinz.,
Let's take inventory: Your opinion places womens rights above that of the fetus, and you cite starving folks worldwide to justify abortion.
My position states that the aborted fetus as having the potential to solve world hunger, or to be an top notch advocate for womens rights. Maybe even cure cancer, or solve the worlds energy problems.
All the potential is lost if you throw the fetus in the trash. A life lived is far more rewarding if you just give it a chance.
pizzafrenzyman 3 years ago
APPOINTMENTS of Mr. OMOBA-ABORTION, 2008:
5th November: Rahm Emanuel (he has voted always against life)
19th November: Tom Daschle (he has voted always pro-abortion)
20th November: Down Johnsen (ex-director of NARAL, pro-abortionist organization)
24th November: Ellen Moran (ex-director of Emilys List, pro-abortionist organization)
30th November: Hillary Clinton (member of pro-abortion international)
10th December: Jeanne Lambrew (member of Planned Parenthood, pro-abortionist organization)
maryshybossy 3 years ago
APPOINTMENTS of Mr. OMOBA-ABORTION, 2009:
5th January: Tim Kaine (pro-abortionist from Virginia)
6th January: Thomas Perrelli (lawyer of Terri Schiavo)
22nd January: personal agreement to Roe vs Wade (killed 50 million babies since 1973)
23rd January: 457 million dollars to pro-abortions organizations
26th January: James B. Steinberg (there is no limit for paying abortions)