Prost did here the same move as Senna did everytime.
So, I don´t understand why any Senna fan can complain about Prost´s move!
Senna did that to Schumacher in France 92, Senna did that to Hill in Monza 93, Senna did that to Mansell in Australia 1992, Senna did that to Mansell Portugal 1989 (was even more stupid because Nigel was dq), and so on, and so forth...
Here, Senna is more angry because he lost by his own dirty tactics.
Senna was nearly or if not half way passed Prost's car - any driver especially a professional one should have yielded - Senna at that point had the right of way - Prost tried to close the door well knowing Senna was there and half way passed him
Whatever Prost did or didnt, as Hunt said, even if Prost turned in a bit early, he had every right to do so, as he was the one in front - that was evil from Prost and unfortunately, Senna eat Prost´s bacon and that was it. What however was absolutely unfair was, what Balestre did. Senna would have been DQ for getting a pushed start, but he wasnt. He was DQ because he went down the escape road. That to me suggests, that they were searching for a cause to DQ him and didnt realise, there was one...
Prost clearly wanted to take off Senna of the race! Was not just a question about 'closing doors', cause the intention was not protect the position, but take off the opponent (of the race) in order to be champion!! Criminal!
There is yet a better clip that clearly shows Prost turning in earlier than the usual. When asked, Prost said "yes maybe I turned in a bit early".
Bottom line, Prost played dirty in '89, but he should have known that it was a matter of time until he was gonna get passed in the race. Shame that a champion needed to appeal to dirty driving of this sort!
@NARB57 Yes, the maneuver by Prost shows him not taking the usual line and turning in early instead. You can say that it was a risky gamble by Senna but this should not excuse Prost's "closing the door" on Senna. The broadcasters are simply giving their opinion and they were actually wrong. Alain himself admitted it in an interview that he had turned early.
@csfm00 Alain n'a jamais dit qu'il l'avait provoqué contrairement à Ayrton en 1990 sur ce même circuit.Ironie du sort, le destin lui réservait la SURPRISE ! De toute façon les deux ont leurs "fans" et "détracteurs" ;)
@NARB57 As a fan of AP that you are, it is obvious you have your mind made up. You can't however just believe what you want to believe blindly; without reading and listening what critics have to say about the '89 & '90 feud. Prost closed the door on Senna in '89 and in doing so, causing an accident. In '90 Senna aggressively took out Prost, mostly to show the world that he could not win against Prost AND Balestre!
@csfm00 yes, he turned in soon.But isn't this his right as the leader? Who reaches the corner first is to choose his line. And it was Senna who needed to see the chequered flag, not Prost, so it was a bad call to risk so much. And it wasn’t"a matter of time until Prost was gonna get passed"since it happened with only 6 laps to go.But we don't have to argue,since it didn’t alter the title decision.To become WC, Senna would have needed to win Adelaide, too– but there he ran into Brundle (again).
@TheColinChapman You're right about everything you said. Prost did turn in early, and yes, he did have that choice to protect his lead. You basically described Senna to a "T".. he was a risk taker, sometimes to a fault. The same thing he was famous for was the same thing that often got him in trouble. But when growing up and watching F1 as kid, it was Senna that made me watch the sport.
Read the rules, 10-year-olds. Senna's manouvre was dangerous, but completely within the rules of the sport. Prost's turn-in, however, was not. but, since they both went off, there was no need for a penalty. What was unfair is that Senna actually got back into the race and won it in only 5 or so laps and was disquallyfied by a FRENCH stward. (unfairly, of cource)
@VEXEN25 é realmente ,o regulamento só foi usado para punir quem cortou a chincaine, mas não usaram o regulamento para punir prost que provocou deliberadamente o acidente, foi sujo e desleal,amei a revanche ano seguinte SENNA botou prost para fora, mostrou que também sabe jogar o mesmo jogo deles
@yace99 wrong...senna was faster, but not that day...if you watch the race (i think is still on yuoutube), senna was behind prost only because it was quicker to lapping the slower cars.-...when the track was clear alain slowly was gaining ground....it was almost the end of the race and that was a sort of desperate last chance for ayrton, it was never near enough to try an overtake...in fact that was a fantastic try!.
@pisomark UMA FANTASTICA TENTATIVA QUE SÓ NAO FOU BEM SUCEDIDA PELO FATO DE PROST JOGAR SUJO,UMA FANTASTICA TENTATIVA QUE FOI BEM SUCEDIDA JA QUE NANINI JOGOU LIMPO E NAO JOGOU O CARRO EM CIMA PARA BATER. SENNA IS THE BEST OF THE BEST FOR EVER!!!
@2mmarcelorj prost did it in porpouse, that's clear. it was unfair, but...
he was a bit tired to lift off the gas pedal to avoid shunt on the ultra-aggressive manovre of ayrton. senna did crash with other driver many many times more than alain during his caeer.senna, like schumacher, was thinking that he could do everything want and the other had to let him pass, but he was quick to blame the others when he wasn't happy of their driving ,he had also a couple of boxe match (mansell and irvine)
@pisomark At least somebody is making rational comments on this incident. Those Senna fans should really look at the distance from which Ayrton launched this banzai attack. Complete desperation
Both of them are Legends, But Prost turned in earlier here if he made the corner without senna there and turned in the same time as he did without senna there, he would of been on the grass, therefore caused the crash.
Alessandro Nannini has proved that there is enough room for a firm but fair passing manouvre at the Triangle chicane. Nannini also proved that no-one turns into the chicane as early as Prost did, even when there is a victory or, say, a TITLE at stake. What Ayrton did the following year was extremely dangerous and therefore wrong...HOWEVER, Prost brought it on himself by racing dirty 12 months earlier. What goes around...
@MrFormulaOne2011 what's the reason you thought it was Senna's fault? Like... WTF, dude?! Why passing another car at best overtaking spot would be a bad idea? It wasn't, what Nannini proved. Prost was doing championship winning thing there, but Senna got his revenge a year after that. Justice was served.
@MrFormulaOne2011 , i undestand you but.....naah dude Prost make a dirty move to ensure his championship, anyway Senna gave Prost some of his own medicine.!
@Njimmy89 He was great indeed, I'm just saying he was fearless and did do dangerous maneuvers a lot. Though I believe Prost crashed into him on purpose of course.
@66606cl66 ya... i saw he's onboard footage and he braked a bit too early and he turned in a bit too early aswell... if senna didn't try to overtake prost would of have jumped the curb...
para ganar la posicion no solo es necesario meter el morro... prost hizo bien en no dejarle pasar, ya que senna se tiro como un kamikaze... eso no es lo que hay que hacer si quieres adelantar a prost. eso no es propio de senna, es mas bien propio de sutil
Oui enfin on joue le championnat et on demande à Prost d'être bien gentil et de laisser passer. C'est stupide : personne n'ouvre la porte dans ce cas.
Senna l'a joué à l'intinct en freinant très tard, à quitte ou double, alors qu'il avait encore 7 tours devant lui. C'est sûr qu'il connaissait bien le caractère de Prost qui plusieurs fois auparavant avait préféré s'effacer pour éviter l'accident, mais dans une petite chicane lente, c'est pas malin bourricot...
I'd say it's about even. Senna is to blame for trying to pull off an overtake into that chicane approaching from that angle, and Prost is to blame for how early he turned into the corner.
@oogs101 fanboy? to be a fanboy senna would have to be my favorite. I think you're the fanboy here, clearly. the following year at the same track, all the drivers agreed with senna that this incident was rediculous, are you saying you know better than the people that are actually apart of the sport? you know better by watching on TV? have you ever even been to a race track? prost is still alive so I assume you give him a nightly blowjob through a gloryhole don't you faggot
@thnk4urself ...bahahahaha! i had to look up the term 'gloryhole' - but you seem to know its use well. Opinion was pretty evenly divided about who was to blame at the time. Both were brilliant drivers but Senna repeatedly put his car up the inside - too late - and ended up planting his car into others. I doubt you'll bother, but there is plenty of footage showing him doing just that if you bother to hunt for it.
@oogs101 you ever seen It's Always sunny in Philadelphia? that's where I got it and it was a hilarious episode. I've already seen enough video on this subject and the fact that F1 had never used a penalty like this before. You can't say it didn't have something to do with Bellestres bias against Senna and his friendship with Prost. Say it wasn't Prosts fault, that's your opinion but don't deny that Bellestre clearly had it out for senna, that would be just pure lunacy & bias, are you french?
@sinnae404 bullshit, you really have no idea what you´re talking about, it was a race incident Senna always wanted that the car in front on him move aside and let him pass by, Prost would never do that he just turned to the corner and the rest is history, moreover Senna lost his dignity as a driver in Japan 1990
@Rob46733 I agree with you, 'cause plenty of times Senna in 1988-9 would do these dives into corners and Prost would get out of the road. This time Prost decided f-you, I`m holding the line. Another post shows Prost holding the same line the previous lap. Actually, I think Senna lost his dignity in British GP in 1985 when he chopped Rosberg off the lead. Sure he may have been entitled to, but no one would see Villenueve do that to Arnoux in France 1979, or to Rosberg in US in 1982. -Daz in Oz.
Pour moi dans le 1er cas c'est du 50/50. Prost ferme délibérement la porte à Senna. Prost savait très bien qu'une fois qu'il aurait laissé passé Magic il n'aurait plus pu le dépasser et Senna savait aussi que c'était là ou jamais.Senna méritait ce titre autant que Prost dommage qu'ils ne se soient pas battus à la régulière . Pour le 2 ème cas c'est bien Nannini qui est en tord il aurait du laisser passer Senna.
its funny, because senna would put u in those situations when if you didnt stop, both of you were going to crash, and i guess prost was saying no, you cant beat me that way again.
@TheWeedisgoodforyou That happened the year after because senna and prost were reversed in the points. Prost turned way to early. If Senna wasn't there he would have cut the corner. If Prost wanted to win the championship, Senna had to DNF. So he tried, took his own car out, allowed Senna to finish and win the championship, and then cried to the FIA, getting Senna DSQ.
@DBDMotorsports he won half of his titles based on other's misfortune (Mansell, 1986) (Senna, 1989 A example of a cry baby) he would probably have not won in 1993 if Mansell didn't go to IndyCar
@TheWeedisgoodforyou rules say if you have your front tire in front of the adversary back tire he cant close on you. and if you pay attetion, prost would have gone to the grassin that curve if he did not hit senna. he was winning the championship, after this turn senna would be winning, both out, prost wins... it´s known that prost only did as well as he did in F1because of baslestre´s protection. prost could shit everyone as much as he wanted, if senna did that he would be punished promptly.
@TheWeedisgoodforyou This point isn't valid in this instance. Senna would have had crashing into Prost the last thing on his mind, because he knew if they did crash he would be the one to loose out. Any other occasion then yes you can claim this.
@TheWeedisgoodforyou Correct indeed! In fact I`ve just watched Mansell Senna collision in 1989 at Estoril and Senna's done a Prost. Prost had to turn in here 'cause it's a 90 degree corner. If Prost doesn't then he goes off the track. -daz in oz
Salut Bernard !!!!! Alors en regardant le video " Alain Prost i Ayrton Senna " de mikspawlo on vois trés bien que Alain a fermé la porte a Ayrton et il voulais bien l'accident ,pour moi , meme si je prefere Senna je ne donne a personne la faute de cette accident ,il étais en liste pour le titre ,je pense que Senna aurais fais la meme chose ( Suzuka 90 ) Ciao Bernard faits toi sentir
Oui à ceci près qu'en 1990 pour Ayrton c'était le juste retour des choses pour pas dire vengeance de sa part et qu'il a avoué lui l'avoir provoqué .... contrairement à prost :)
Je ne suis pas certain qu'Ayrton aurait agit de la sorte à la place de Prost, il le respectait trop (à cette époque là 1989 et après son 1er titre) ce qui n'a plus était le cas par la suite..... et tout le monde la connait la suite ;)
perso je pense que c'est du 50/50 je pense que cela est du aussi à une mauvaise gestion d'équipe n'oublions pas qu'a l'époque Prost disposer du châssis des essais alors que Senna disposer d'un Châssis course sans parler des suspicions au niveau des moteurs de plus avec tout les enjeux qu'il y avait Senna comme Prost devaient ce douter que sur un dépassement aussi risquer il y aurai forcement collision !!
Senna: il manque un chouilla pour etre a la hauteur de prost (champ visuel d'un pilote restrein)
Prost: rabattut trop vite, expres ou non ? va savoir, en tout cas il est pas bete le alain, il sait qu'en crashant les monoplace le titre etait acquis, sinon il l'aurai laisser la place de passé comme larini
@NARB57 la meme chose non ? laisser passer prost pour le titre je pense pas non ^^
mais ca aurait ete mieux que prost laisse la place car il savait que senna allait le passer ici et pa ailleur, dou le fait qu'il la coincé d'ailleur, et de plus on a favorisé prost, peu etre a cause des autres titres manqués auparavan,t
Prost did here the same move as Senna did everytime.
So, I don´t understand why any Senna fan can complain about Prost´s move!
Senna did that to Schumacher in France 92, Senna did that to Hill in Monza 93, Senna did that to Mansell in Australia 1992, Senna did that to Mansell Portugal 1989 (was even more stupid because Nigel was dq), and so on, and so forth...
Here, Senna is more angry because he lost by his own dirty tactics.
hunt2727 1 week ago
Senna was nearly or if not half way passed Prost's car - any driver especially a professional one should have yielded - Senna at that point had the right of way - Prost tried to close the door well knowing Senna was there and half way passed him
jules9696 2 weeks ago
Whatever Prost did or didnt, as Hunt said, even if Prost turned in a bit early, he had every right to do so, as he was the one in front - that was evil from Prost and unfortunately, Senna eat Prost´s bacon and that was it. What however was absolutely unfair was, what Balestre did. Senna would have been DQ for getting a pushed start, but he wasnt. He was DQ because he went down the escape road. That to me suggests, that they were searching for a cause to DQ him and didnt realise, there was one...
AlejjSi 3 weeks ago 3
Alessandro Nanninis only win
SuperSamet11 3 weeks ago
Prost clearly wanted to take off Senna of the race! Was not just a question about 'closing doors', cause the intention was not protect the position, but take off the opponent (of the race) in order to be champion!! Criminal!
tmmphono 3 weeks ago
There is yet a better clip that clearly shows Prost turning in earlier than the usual. When asked, Prost said "yes maybe I turned in a bit early".
Bottom line, Prost played dirty in '89, but he should have known that it was a matter of time until he was gonna get passed in the race. Shame that a champion needed to appeal to dirty driving of this sort!
csfm00 1 month ago 3
@csfm00 On voit très bien sur cette vidéo vu d'hélicoptère la "manoeuvre" de Prost à 1' 17". youtube.com/watch?v=gQiFet2FI24&feature=related
NARB57 1 month ago
@NARB57 Yes, the maneuver by Prost shows him not taking the usual line and turning in early instead. You can say that it was a risky gamble by Senna but this should not excuse Prost's "closing the door" on Senna. The broadcasters are simply giving their opinion and they were actually wrong. Alain himself admitted it in an interview that he had turned early.
csfm00 1 month ago
@csfm00 Alain n'a jamais dit qu'il l'avait provoqué contrairement à Ayrton en 1990 sur ce même circuit.Ironie du sort, le destin lui réservait la SURPRISE ! De toute façon les deux ont leurs "fans" et "détracteurs" ;)
NARB57 1 month ago
@NARB57 As a fan of AP that you are, it is obvious you have your mind made up. You can't however just believe what you want to believe blindly; without reading and listening what critics have to say about the '89 & '90 feud. Prost closed the door on Senna in '89 and in doing so, causing an accident. In '90 Senna aggressively took out Prost, mostly to show the world that he could not win against Prost AND Balestre!
csfm00 1 month ago
@csfm00 Il y a erreur, je ne suis pas Fan de Prost la preuve sur mon site ICI:
"you-fom.jimdo.com" Pour le reste je suis tout à fait d'accord avec vous sur les faits e 89-90.
NARB57 1 month ago
@csfm00 Senna was as much of a dick and an asshole than Prost. Deal with it.
acheroncyc 3 weeks ago
@csfm00 yes, he turned in soon.But isn't this his right as the leader? Who reaches the corner first is to choose his line. And it was Senna who needed to see the chequered flag, not Prost, so it was a bad call to risk so much. And it wasn’t"a matter of time until Prost was gonna get passed"since it happened with only 6 laps to go.But we don't have to argue,since it didn’t alter the title decision.To become WC, Senna would have needed to win Adelaide, too– but there he ran into Brundle (again).
TheColinChapman 1 week ago
@TheColinChapman You're right about everything you said. Prost did turn in early, and yes, he did have that choice to protect his lead. You basically described Senna to a "T".. he was a risk taker, sometimes to a fault. The same thing he was famous for was the same thing that often got him in trouble. But when growing up and watching F1 as kid, it was Senna that made me watch the sport.
Long live the Legend!
csfm00 1 week ago
Read the rules, 10-year-olds. Senna's manouvre was dangerous, but completely within the rules of the sport. Prost's turn-in, however, was not. but, since they both went off, there was no need for a penalty. What was unfair is that Senna actually got back into the race and won it in only 5 or so laps and was disquallyfied by a FRENCH stward. (unfairly, of cource)
VEXEN25 1 month ago 5
@VEXEN25 Exactly. Not to mention the fact that Balestre (head of FIA) was Prost's mate.
TheAlexandreOnline 1 month ago
@VEXEN25 é realmente ,o regulamento só foi usado para punir quem cortou a chincaine, mas não usaram o regulamento para punir prost que provocou deliberadamente o acidente, foi sujo e desleal,amei a revanche ano seguinte SENNA botou prost para fora, mostrou que também sabe jogar o mesmo jogo deles
2mmarcelorj 1 month ago
@VEXEN25 well said mate! I still can't understand why this is difficult for some to understand... it's been explained and clarified yrs ago!
csfm00 1 month ago
@F1Fabse "Mission Impossible" thème ;)
NARB57 2 months ago
senna was faster, and always been faster than prost at suzuka (he beat him in 88 and 87).
if senna won the race, he would be back on title race, but if both of them retire, prost is champion. I agree with you, prost did it intentionately!
yace99 2 months ago
@yace99 wrong...senna was faster, but not that day...if you watch the race (i think is still on yuoutube), senna was behind prost only because it was quicker to lapping the slower cars.-...when the track was clear alain slowly was gaining ground....it was almost the end of the race and that was a sort of desperate last chance for ayrton, it was never near enough to try an overtake...in fact that was a fantastic try!.
pisomark 2 months ago
@pisomark UMA FANTASTICA TENTATIVA QUE SÓ NAO FOU BEM SUCEDIDA PELO FATO DE PROST JOGAR SUJO,UMA FANTASTICA TENTATIVA QUE FOI BEM SUCEDIDA JA QUE NANINI JOGOU LIMPO E NAO JOGOU O CARRO EM CIMA PARA BATER. SENNA IS THE BEST OF THE BEST FOR EVER!!!
2mmarcelorj 1 month ago
@2mmarcelorj prost did it in porpouse, that's clear. it was unfair, but...
he was a bit tired to lift off the gas pedal to avoid shunt on the ultra-aggressive manovre of ayrton. senna did crash with other driver many many times more than alain during his caeer.senna, like schumacher, was thinking that he could do everything want and the other had to let him pass, but he was quick to blame the others when he wasn't happy of their driving ,he had also a couple of boxe match (mansell and irvine)
pisomark 1 month ago
@2mmarcelorj SEM CONTAR QUE O DOIDO QUE PENALIZOU O SENNA ERA O BALESTRE, CARTOLA DA FIA...
TheAlexandreOnline 1 month ago
@pisomark At least somebody is making rational comments on this incident. Those Senna fans should really look at the distance from which Ayrton launched this banzai attack. Complete desperation
beqa16v 1 month ago
Nanini > Prost ... Nanini is better than Prost! hhauhauhauhauhau
medonhoblu 2 months ago 3
Senna! The Best!
MEDEIROSJR007 2 months ago
Rest In Peace you legend
TheSuperLolCat 2 months ago
senna wasn't wrong
frank180sx 3 months ago
Prost's fault in 89, Senna's in 90 ( But it was cos Senna was pissed in 90'... the only really stupid thing Senna ever did.)
ChuckNorrisOfF1 3 months ago
@ChuckNorrisOfF1 Senna caused the crash in 90 to win the championship
CarloSpicyWein3r 2 months ago
Thank God Senna was there to stop Prost in his suicide attempt!!!
cravoeorgao 3 months ago
Both of them are Legends, But Prost turned in earlier here if he made the corner without senna there and turned in the same time as he did without senna there, he would of been on the grass, therefore caused the crash.
TheChappell92 3 months ago
Senna GOD
IronBoy712 3 months ago
It's obvious Prost hit Senna when he noticed he could hit only the front spoiler...
84Rokin 3 months ago
These cars were absolutely stunning in comparison with the cars of today.
Gfgoodrichtires 3 months ago 10
@Gfgoodrichtires Pas seulement les voitures, le pilotage l'était aussi !
NARB57 3 months ago 2
@NARB57 You are absolutely right my friend. I was paying so much attention to the cars that I forgot about the brilliant drivers.
Gfgoodrichtires 3 months ago
@Gfgoodrichtires
2mmarcelorj 1 month ago
@Gfgoodrichtires SÓ TENHO UMA COISA A DIZER, E EM PORTUGUES BEM CLARO: SENNA FOI ROUBADO PROST E BALLESTRE DOIS LADROES SÓ GANHA NA ROUBALHEIRA
SENNA DE BEST OF THE BEST ! HO HO HO !!!
2mmarcelorj 1 month ago
Alessandro Nannini has proved that there is enough room for a firm but fair passing manouvre at the Triangle chicane. Nannini also proved that no-one turns into the chicane as early as Prost did, even when there is a victory or, say, a TITLE at stake. What Ayrton did the following year was extremely dangerous and therefore wrong...HOWEVER, Prost brought it on himself by racing dirty 12 months earlier. What goes around...
azapro911 4 months ago
I always thought it was Senna's fault. After watching this video, however, I do believe that Prost turned into the chicane too early.
MrFormulaOne2011 4 months ago
@MrFormulaOne2011 what's the reason you thought it was Senna's fault? Like... WTF, dude?! Why passing another car at best overtaking spot would be a bad idea? It wasn't, what Nannini proved. Prost was doing championship winning thing there, but Senna got his revenge a year after that. Justice was served.
thylegion 4 months ago
@thylegion if you look closely, Senna was already ahead of Nannini when they got to the chicane. NOT the case with Prost!!!
paulosev66 4 months ago 2
@MrFormulaOne2011 , i undestand you but.....naah dude Prost make a dirty move to ensure his championship, anyway Senna gave Prost some of his own medicine.!
Njimmy89 3 months ago
Senna always did dangerous gambling like that. Just watch the Formula 3 crash of Ayrton Senna and Martin Brundle.
NationOfMasturbation 4 months ago
@NationOfMasturbation you do honor to your name...ignorant...Senna was the greatest driver i've ever seen or known about!
Njimmy89 3 months ago
@Njimmy89 He was great indeed, I'm just saying he was fearless and did do dangerous maneuvers a lot. Though I believe Prost crashed into him on purpose of course.
NationOfMasturbation 3 months ago
Senna, simple the best...period
miltonmmmm 4 months ago
Senna estaba pordentro le tenia la posicion ganada Prost lo hecho fuera claramente
nan0vapor 5 months ago
looks like prost to me, didnt give any room
66606cl66 5 months ago
@66606cl66 ya... i saw he's onboard footage and he braked a bit too early and he turned in a bit too early aswell... if senna didn't try to overtake prost would of have jumped the curb...
ChuckNorrisOfF1 4 months ago
/watch?v=S-T1Xx8hRJk
130Rwgs 5 months ago
para ganar la posicion no solo es necesario meter el morro... prost hizo bien en no dejarle pasar, ya que senna se tiro como un kamikaze... eso no es lo que hay que hacer si quieres adelantar a prost. eso no es propio de senna, es mas bien propio de sutil
130Rwgs 5 months ago
@Rob45733
Nooo, Prost turned into Senna so he could seal the championships. If you watch closely you can see that he turned into the corner too early.
Nohjjohnthegreat 5 months ago
Oui enfin on joue le championnat et on demande à Prost d'être bien gentil et de laisser passer. C'est stupide : personne n'ouvre la porte dans ce cas.
Senna l'a joué à l'intinct en freinant très tard, à quitte ou double, alors qu'il avait encore 7 tours devant lui. C'est sûr qu'il connaissait bien le caractère de Prost qui plusieurs fois auparavant avait préféré s'effacer pour éviter l'accident, mais dans une petite chicane lente, c'est pas malin bourricot...
ozcomeozgo 5 months ago
Prost is an idiot, Let the faster car go by and you won't get a DNF.
JayThrilla25 6 months ago
I'd say it's about even. Senna is to blame for trying to pull off an overtake into that chicane approaching from that angle, and Prost is to blame for how early he turned into the corner.
blainyrules 7 months ago
look how early prost turned in. if you think it was sennas fault you're just a biased french faggot.
thnk4urself 7 months ago
@thnk4urself - and you're a wet snatch who is sad because you missed out on sucking Senna's meat you pathetic fanboy.
oogs101 6 months ago
@oogs101 fanboy? to be a fanboy senna would have to be my favorite. I think you're the fanboy here, clearly. the following year at the same track, all the drivers agreed with senna that this incident was rediculous, are you saying you know better than the people that are actually apart of the sport? you know better by watching on TV? have you ever even been to a race track? prost is still alive so I assume you give him a nightly blowjob through a gloryhole don't you faggot
thnk4urself 6 months ago
@thnk4urself ...bahahahaha! i had to look up the term 'gloryhole' - but you seem to know its use well. Opinion was pretty evenly divided about who was to blame at the time. Both were brilliant drivers but Senna repeatedly put his car up the inside - too late - and ended up planting his car into others. I doubt you'll bother, but there is plenty of footage showing him doing just that if you bother to hunt for it.
oogs101 6 months ago
@oogs101 you ever seen It's Always sunny in Philadelphia? that's where I got it and it was a hilarious episode. I've already seen enough video on this subject and the fact that F1 had never used a penalty like this before. You can't say it didn't have something to do with Bellestres bias against Senna and his friendship with Prost. Say it wasn't Prosts fault, that's your opinion but don't deny that Bellestre clearly had it out for senna, that would be just pure lunacy & bias, are you french?
thnk4urself 5 months ago
Ole ole ole SENNA SENNA !!
txsholdem 7 months ago 5
Prost was as guilty as Schumacher was with Villeneuve at Jerez '97.
This, I'm afraid, was the end of Prost's dignity as a driver.
sinnae404 7 months ago
@sinnae404 bullshit, you really have no idea what you´re talking about, it was a race incident Senna always wanted that the car in front on him move aside and let him pass by, Prost would never do that he just turned to the corner and the rest is history, moreover Senna lost his dignity as a driver in Japan 1990
Rob46733 5 months ago
@Rob46733 I agree with you, 'cause plenty of times Senna in 1988-9 would do these dives into corners and Prost would get out of the road. This time Prost decided f-you, I`m holding the line. Another post shows Prost holding the same line the previous lap. Actually, I think Senna lost his dignity in British GP in 1985 when he chopped Rosberg off the lead. Sure he may have been entitled to, but no one would see Villenueve do that to Arnoux in France 1979, or to Rosberg in US in 1982. -Daz in Oz.
dazincalculation 5 months ago
Pour moi dans le 1er cas c'est du 50/50. Prost ferme délibérement la porte à Senna. Prost savait très bien qu'une fois qu'il aurait laissé passé Magic il n'aurait plus pu le dépasser et Senna savait aussi que c'était là ou jamais.Senna méritait ce titre autant que Prost dommage qu'ils ne se soient pas battus à la régulière . Pour le 2 ème cas c'est bien Nannini qui est en tord il aurait du laisser passer Senna.
8LilyRose8 8 months ago
Prost was on the racing line and much more in front as Nanini!!!
It was in BOTH cases senna's fault !
swallowAyrtonSenna 8 months ago
its funny, because senna would put u in those situations when if you didnt stop, both of you were going to crash, and i guess prost was saying no, you cant beat me that way again.
TheWeedisgoodforyou 8 months ago 14
@TheWeedisgoodforyou prost turned to the right miles before the normal place.
NOXXism 5 months ago
@NOXXism yes, to try and block senna from slipping in on the corner, but still senna took em out
TheWeedisgoodforyou 5 months ago
@TheWeedisgoodforyou it's called agressive driving. Prost had to let senna pass
NOXXism 5 months ago
@NOXXism yes, but prost didnt let him pass, and this is what happened
TheWeedisgoodforyou 5 months ago
@TheWeedisgoodforyou after prost realizes senna kept going and was going to win he went crying to balestre and balestre had senna disqualified
NOXXism 5 months ago
@TheWeedisgoodforyou That happened the year after because senna and prost were reversed in the points. Prost turned way to early. If Senna wasn't there he would have cut the corner. If Prost wanted to win the championship, Senna had to DNF. So he tried, took his own car out, allowed Senna to finish and win the championship, and then cried to the FIA, getting Senna DSQ.
DBDMotorsports 5 months ago
@DBDMotorsports he won half of his titles based on other's misfortune (Mansell, 1986) (Senna, 1989 A example of a cry baby) he would probably have not won in 1993 if Mansell didn't go to IndyCar
Samthepro95 4 months ago
@TheWeedisgoodforyou rules say if you have your front tire in front of the adversary back tire he cant close on you. and if you pay attetion, prost would have gone to the grassin that curve if he did not hit senna. he was winning the championship, after this turn senna would be winning, both out, prost wins... it´s known that prost only did as well as he did in F1because of baslestre´s protection. prost could shit everyone as much as he wanted, if senna did that he would be punished promptly.
09mmmm08 4 months ago
@TheWeedisgoodforyou no you noob prost turned in BEFORE the corner if senna wasn't there prost would have gone off track
NOXXism 3 months ago
@TheWeedisgoodforyou
Not disbanding Sennas rude moves, but in this case Prost didnt honor general racing rules
in both passes Sennas was inside the other car and past its rear tyres, in which case
the person outside and back must give room (Benetton driver did so very well)
launger 3 months ago
@TheWeedisgoodforyou This point isn't valid in this instance. Senna would have had crashing into Prost the last thing on his mind, because he knew if they did crash he would be the one to loose out. Any other occasion then yes you can claim this.
SoloRedDevil 3 months ago
@TheWeedisgoodforyou Correct indeed! In fact I`ve just watched Mansell Senna collision in 1989 at Estoril and Senna's done a Prost. Prost had to turn in here 'cause it's a 90 degree corner. If Prost doesn't then he goes off the track. -daz in oz
dazincalculation 2 months ago
@TheWeedisgoodforyou ermmmmm no, Prost was an arrogant idiot protected by Balestre (i.e. the FIA)
TheAlexandreOnline 1 month ago
Both of then were fantastic.
Great moments
doctormarkon 1 year ago 2
Salut Bernard !!!!! Alors en regardant le video " Alain Prost i Ayrton Senna " de mikspawlo on vois trés bien que Alain a fermé la porte a Ayrton et il voulais bien l'accident ,pour moi , meme si je prefere Senna je ne donne a personne la faute de cette accident ,il étais en liste pour le titre ,je pense que Senna aurais fais la meme chose ( Suzuka 90 ) Ciao Bernard faits toi sentir
finottopaolo 1 year ago
@finottopaolo ! Salut !
Oui à ceci près qu'en 1990 pour Ayrton c'était le juste retour des choses pour pas dire vengeance de sa part et qu'il a avoué lui l'avoir provoqué .... contrairement à prost :)
Je ne suis pas certain qu'Ayrton aurait agit de la sorte à la place de Prost, il le respectait trop (à cette époque là 1989 et après son 1er titre) ce qui n'a plus était le cas par la suite..... et tout le monde la connait la suite ;)
NARB57 1 year ago
perso je pense que c'est du 50/50 je pense que cela est du aussi à une mauvaise gestion d'équipe n'oublions pas qu'a l'époque Prost disposer du châssis des essais alors que Senna disposer d'un Châssis course sans parler des suspicions au niveau des moteurs de plus avec tout les enjeux qu'il y avait Senna comme Prost devaient ce douter que sur un dépassement aussi risquer il y aurai forcement collision !!
MrJulius62100 3 months ago
Moi perso je pense que les deux son en tord
Senna: il manque un chouilla pour etre a la hauteur de prost (champ visuel d'un pilote restrein)
Prost: rabattut trop vite, expres ou non ? va savoir, en tout cas il est pas bete le alain, il sait qu'en crashant les monoplace le titre etait acquis, sinon il l'aurai laisser la place de passé comme larini
touzeau3333 1 year ago
@touzeau3333 Suis du même avis, la question est qu'aurait fait Ayrton dans le cas inverse ? ;)
NARB57 1 year ago
@NARB57 la meme chose non ? laisser passer prost pour le titre je pense pas non ^^
mais ca aurait ete mieux que prost laisse la place car il savait que senna allait le passer ici et pa ailleur, dou le fait qu'il la coincé d'ailleur, et de plus on a favorisé prost, peu etre a cause des autres titres manqués auparavan,t
touzeau3333 1 year ago
Beau montage Bernard !
J'avé tjrs accusé Prost pr cette accrochage,
mé en regardent cette comparaison,
c vrai kon voit b1 ke Senna été déjà arrivé à la hauteur de Nannini avant la chicane pr le doublé, alors ke ce n'été po le cas sur Prost.
Mé on pe po envouloir à Senna d'avoir essayé vu ke la maneuvre a fini par passé sur Nannini + tard ^^
Pr mwa ds cet acrochage c 50/50
mé après c ke mn avis. ;-)
8H2B11K 1 year ago
Montage génial Bernard, et une musique bien choisie...
RubensKimi 1 year ago
english description plz
cool vid, thanks
connected1914 1 year ago