It seems that those with the moral courage to stand for truth and what is right. Who spread a message of peace and love always have their lives cut short by those who know only violence. But we cannot let this destroy our spirit. We must continue to spread the message of compassion and understanding. We must not give in to the desire for revenge, but recognize the need for forgiveness. That is a cause that is worth dying for.
Strange how You Tube has this speech repeatedly but all with music. Why can you not listen this speech without music? Churchill has no music to his speeches, who adds the music? Why? No need.
@MrLuvlyJubly Because it doesn't matter in the least bit. If you don't enjoy the music, ignore it or go watch a different video. I couldn't care less. I enjoyed what the music added to the emotion of the speech, I spent the time putting the video together, so I uploaded it. Life goes on. Now could you please focus on the meaning of the speech?
@longwayhome617 I think that's what my gripe was there are NO videos of this speech without the music. Wow it takes a lot of repeating to get through doesn't it.
Longway, just a brief history on H.R 4655 Iraq LIb. Act of 1998 which was supported by a majority of both rep. and dems. alike, including John Kerry, signed by the President Clinton who viewed the regime in Iraq as a "Serious Threat to our way of life". When this bill was approved it included not only financial support but military support as well. To further support this, plans for the ware were already in the planning stages as early as 1995, during Clintons administration.
@cohennewsmedia Thanks for the history lesson. I used an example that fit the words. If you disagree with that example, that's cool. I find it an accurate image. The blood is on the hands of those who made the final decision to send the troops into a country that was in no way responsible for the attacks on 9/11, not a piece of legislation from 1998.
Iraq was not a "serious threat" to anything in 2003 anyway.
Greatest speech ever. Have you ever noticed that anyone that preaches peace, equal rights, or freedom gets assasinated. Abe Lincoln, Ghandi, MLK, JFK, RFK, John Lennon.....etc. Someone has a vested interest in keeping people seperated, fighting amonst ourselves. Man will never be able to advance mentally or live in harmony until every person is considered equal. If we are all born with equal rights, how is one man able to take away anothers rights just because he disagrees with them ???
Man cannot advance in groups while leaving others behind. We must all advance together as one. Hatred is learned behavior and is based on our differences. We are taught to hate. We must be able to look beyond what we are taught . If we limit our minds to what we are taught we will never know the truth. We have to open our minds and think for ourselves , otherwise we are simply following the opinions of others. The truth will set us free.
Living in harmony means there is no ruling class, no emperors, no royalty, no elite. People who are equal can neither rule nor serve another man. Harmony has no boundaries based on race, religion, or sexual preference . Differences should not stop us from working together to achieve the same goal. It is sad that societies are so easily manipulated into following the path laid out for them by people interested in maintaining contol of them.
He gave this speech the day after he informed the crowd in Indy that MLK was shot and killed (April 4, 1968). When he walked to the podium he said to an aide, "My God they don't know." Which was true. The crowd didn't know about Kings' death.
Only 2 months later he was trying to stay alive after being shot by the same assholes who killed MLK and President Kennedy.
This speech will last through the ages for every nation until we listen to his words of wisdom.
Awesome Speech and incredible to listen to. Hey not sure if you all know this but there is a new book coming out in April about this speech. It is published through Hamilton Books and is called, "The Mindless Menace of Violence: Robert F. Kennedy's Vision and the Fierce Urgency of Now." Sounds interesting.
@bwo381 yEAH man ME too it take a long time before i even known about bobby ... but when you learn more who was really JFK you see the bobby in him.. that exactly bobby he had gain a fuckin Reputation not just because he was president brother , in fact all decision we're taken with Bobby so it shows how he was trusting him;
@bwo381 ok JFK yes he was great I loved him, I dont want to bring him down la! Bobby was alwayz there to safe jack from controversy and everything in the way!!!!!:P Such great mans they we'Re!!! never hheard political figures taking peace and compassion and equal chances and ohhhh the basic of life :P
This speech brings tears to my eyes every time. Especially when images of school shootings are displayed. I know the devastating power a bullet has in shattering lives. It doesn't only shatter the life of the victim but also of their family and friends. Five lives were lost and my friend wounded last Valentines Day when a gunman entered an auditorium at my University. Our fragile and broken lives were held together by the loving hands of a student body which experienced a similar event.
Longwayhome: I'm sorry, but you really poltiicized Robert's words unnecesarily....it has nothing to do with Bush or Iraq. You turned his words into propaganda and thats just wrong.
@longwayhome617 Truth is Truth and cannot be denied. When the government is lacking at the top of the ladder all life goes down..just look at the unintelligent leadership that now exists. Thank you for this truthful message
His words were not meant to simply be pretty, but to be put into action. In particular, this would mean that they should be applied wherever the situation demands. If it's toward a political leader, so be it. The day that we exempt political leaders from critique of swagger and bluster for fear of politicizing is the day these very leaders have the freedom to act with unchecked impunity. In the face of power, all we have is words and it is the beauty of society that words can win over power.
That is exactly why he was killed, his words were part of an agenda to bring love where there was hatred. A thing which threatened those who lived in contempt, fear and isolation from the rest of the people.
The life is short of those who speak of love on this earth.
@Marana1234 Listen to it again. “Too often we honor swagger and bluster and wielders of force; too often we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered dreams of others.” Does this not sound like the Bush and now the Obama administrations. Bobby Kennedys' words are still relevant today. It is about ending violence, and the last few presidents solved every foreign issue with? Violence, right?
lol what makes me a far leftist? That I condemn the tyrants Bush/Cheney are for their senseless, baseless actions that have led to the deaths/injuries of over a million Iraqis, deaths of over 4,000 US military troops, and injuries of over 100,000 US troops?
I find it funny people get so worked up over 1-2 pictures. Really...get with the program. If you're still defending the Bush Administration at this point, your criticism means absolutely nothing to anyone.
Never mind that the exact quote going with those pictures is: "Too often we honor swagger and bluster, and the wielders of force. Too often we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered dreams of other human beings..."
Fits perfect with the Bush Administration to me. If you want to cry over it, continue on :) I'll happily listen and have rebuttals waiting.
Yeah, tell that to the Kurds that Hussein executed about how pointless the war in Iraq is.
Or what about all the people who were killed on 9/11, do you want the clowns that masterminded the attacks to get caught?
I know I'm gonna come off as a right-wing lunatic, but I've put a lot of thought into this. I want to make sure that the world is a safer place for my niece and my little cousins and the only way I can see that happening is to make sacrifices.
If that means that, at the end of the day, I'm a little less free and they get to live, I'm okay with that.
I don't give a damn what happens to me, I just want to make this world is safer for the next generation. If that's really something I should be ashamed of than I'm ashamed and proud to be ashamed.
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
Al-Qaeda has gotten more recruits throughout the duration of these wars then they ever have. They're not defeated in the least bit. The Taliban in Afghanistan are the strongest they have been since the war began. Troop deaths in Afghanistan are at their highest since the war began. The world's view of the US has diminished completely. We're no safer than we were.
Then I guess I don't deserve security or freedonm, but my niece is three years and my cousin is a year old, and I don't want them to live in a world where they're free, but not safe.
Safety and liberty are able to walk hand-in-hand, but sometimes one or other has to be sacrificed for the greater good. If that's the case, I choose freedom to be sacrificed so that my family can stay alive.
History shows that those who use power to restrict freedom abuse their power against those very people that put them in power. Your 3 year old neice, and your 1 year old cousin will suffer because of your willingness to give power to those who would restrict their freedom. And they will not benefit by greater security. It is a ruse PeterBush - you are being convinced to give up freedom by those who will eventually use it against your niece and cousin to make a more unsafe world.
I know, for a fact, that I'll never win an argument with people like you. I know that this administration isn't perfect (Good Lord, it's not perfect), but we can't simply deny that, while Cheney is an abuser of power, Bush does what he does for the betterment of his people.
Of course, this line of thinking only applies to thos who believe Bush is nothing more than Cheney's puppet.
We should invade a good 20 countries if that's the logic we're following. Hussein was nothing compared to some of the things other tyrants are doing. Why don't we invade any number of those countries? Because we don't invade countries to free the people, we invade countries to get resources out of it and have holding ground to control that region of the world. Please don't tell me you REALLY buy into Cheney giving two shits about Kurds....seriously?
You keep talking and I still don't care. I know know Cheney doesn't give two shits about the Kurds, but they still got fucked by Hussein and his regime. To me the world is better off without him.
Also, I don't care why we go into other countrues. Free the people? Get the resources? Does it really matter, there won't be any loons like Hussein or any other dictators going around killing their own people just because they get their rocks off on it.
Yes, it does matter. If you don't care, kindly stop throwing out an opinion on it -.- Why people open their mouths to put forth an argument when they don't want to hear a rebuttal is beyond me.
@PeterBluth -Ben Franklin once said that anyone willing to give up essential liberty to gain temporary security deserves neither and will surely lose both. If you don't care that people like Cheney go into other countries to grab resources while killing people along the way, then how is he better than Saddam and isn't he also a loon ? How can you trust a person with that mindset to protect you ? "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free".
@Lardawg67 Because you know where they stand. As long they get what they want, you're safe. Does that make them better? No, but if a bad situation can you afford to be the "better" man? The answer is no. I don't believe in using the moral high grounds on a situation like Iraq or Afghanistan, if they're gonna torture and kill our guys, I wanna see some blood spilled on their side.
@PeterBluth I can't believe you are so gullible to think that giving up your freedom is gonna keep you or your family safe. Good luck with that one. Giving up freedom means handing over control of your own life to someone else. People who control other people are dictators. Show me one dictator that you think was fair and just to the people they controlled. Go live in a dictatorship like China for awhile and then get back to me on this.
@Lardawg67 I'm not gullible, I just see the world as a place where people need to be controlled for the greater good. There are people out there who are better than the average person and, therefore, they need to be nurtured and controlled for the greater good.
@PeterBluth Well I don't know what to tell you then. I can see that you live in fear and think that our answer is government control. But what if the problems we face were created intentionally to make you voluntarily give up your freedom to people who seek to control you ? No greater good will ever come of that. Rich people never have enough money, and control freaks never have enough control. They will always seek more until you are nothing but a slave.
@PeterBluth You say part of your problem is that you are a control freak also. Interesting how you call it a "problem", and yet don't see anything wrong with it. Hmmm.
@Lardawg67 True, maybe I'm slowly coming out of this stubborn haze? I never know. Cause there's at least one thing that'll always push me back. Don't ask what it because even I don't know.
@PeterBluth . I don't understand you. How can you say that you don't care that we enter other countries killing people and taking resources.....and then say the world is better off without Hussein who kills his own people. It is still a human life, regardless if they were killed by Saddam, or by us stealing the resources. Either way the main objective is control......control of the people by Saddam or control of oil by us. To not see this fact is to ignore the value of human life.
@Lardawg67 Do you want the real truth as to why I don't care? If I agree with the people who agree with this speech, that proves that I've been wrong for more than a decade. That is something I don't want that. That sort of thing makes me question everything I have ever done in my life, wondering if I made the wrong decision. And I hate the idea that I could ever be wrong.
@PeterBluth Wow you are stubborn..and thats not meant as an insult. You would rather stick to your original ideas just so you don't have to admit you are wrong ? It takes a much bigger person to admit a mistake then it does to carry on the making the same mistake. Albert Einstein once said " we can't solve our problems with the same thinking we used to create them". Only the truth will set you free. I hope for your sake and the sake of your family that you see this one day. Peace !
@Lardawg67 I know, but I'm not made to be the bigger man. I'm meant to be small, petty, and unchanging. That's who I am. I've accepted this about myself a long time. It's a sad state, but I'm comfortable here. And that's why when I'm wrong, I like my comfort and to change it all, just a little bit, upsets that comfort. If I may quote my favorite philosopher, Al Bundy, "I am not a man happy with change."
@PeterBluth One last note. To question everything you have ever done or thought means that your mind is growing , opening up, and learning. That is a good thing and should not be repressed.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Certainly you know that. There were no "masterminds of 9/11" anywhere near Iraq at the time of our invasion and likely none any time prior to our invasion. There were absolutely ZERO connections between Hussein and Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. The majority of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. The "masterminds" have been and still are in the mountains dividing Afghanistan/Pakistan. If we WANTED to catch/kill Bin Laden and the others, we could have done so.
Either way, I'm very sorry two pictures of irresponsible people have sparked such a debate on a speech/video that is in direct opposition of violence being a primary option to solving domestic/international issues.
You're right, I've just been a little too stubborn to quit. RFK's thoughts could work in a perfect world. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect and, sometimes, I forget that there are people out there that believe there is always another way to solve our problems outside of fighting.
I'd would like to end this debate now, because, honestly, neither one of us is going to win.
I'm so sick of people taking immortal words by such a great man and using them to take cheap jabs at current politicians. I don't care if you're republican, democrat, independent, or any other party. I don't care if you support President Bush's policies 100% or if you completely disagree with him on every decision. To put such acusatory sentiment behind one of the most beautiful speeches that is actually railing against intolerance and blind hatred is disgusting.
More so, it was a shot at him as a person, not a politician. I have every right to look at him as a bad person who caused unnecessary bloodshed and violence...on a large scale.
Well I dont care what you think because RFK stood for honest and open leadership. And not the corruption going on today in politics. This current administration has completely left the United States in a train wreck. And using Bobby as a catalyst to understand whats wrong with America and George W. Bush is completely in line with one another. The great words of RFK give us hope in such dismal times.
The greatest speech ever!!!!!!!
dmighty0326 3 months ago
compare this to the words that come of the mouth of, say, Rush Limbaugh.
petele345 5 months ago
It seems that those with the moral courage to stand for truth and what is right. Who spread a message of peace and love always have their lives cut short by those who know only violence. But we cannot let this destroy our spirit. We must continue to spread the message of compassion and understanding. We must not give in to the desire for revenge, but recognize the need for forgiveness. That is a cause that is worth dying for.
derekxnl 11 months ago 3
Love the music you added. What is it? Your editing of the speech has made it more powerful. Great job.
rossiscool13 1 year ago
@rossiscool13 It's the audio clip from the movie Bobby.
humanslug91 11 months ago
Strange how You Tube has this speech repeatedly but all with music. Why can you not listen this speech without music? Churchill has no music to his speeches, who adds the music? Why? No need.
MrLuvlyJubly 1 year ago
@MrLuvlyJubly It's not that big of a deal.
IHaveAPodXTLive 1 year ago
@IHaveAPodXTLive Not to America evidently.
MrLuvlyJubly 1 year ago
@MrLuvlyJubly Yeah, it takes so much away from the words....
-.- Must be a painful life you have if you complain about such trivial things.
IHaveAPodXTLive 1 year ago
@IHaveAPodXTLive Very.
MrLuvlyJubly 1 year ago
@MrLuvlyJubly
This speech was added to the movie "Bobby". YouTube had nothing to do with adding the music. The people who made the movie added the music.
Pennylite 7 months ago
@Pennylite But it IS possible to get hold of the unedited version of this speech so WHY add music every single occasion? No need.
MrLuvlyJubly 7 months ago
@MrLuvlyJubly Because it doesn't matter in the least bit. If you don't enjoy the music, ignore it or go watch a different video. I couldn't care less. I enjoyed what the music added to the emotion of the speech, I spent the time putting the video together, so I uploaded it. Life goes on. Now could you please focus on the meaning of the speech?
longwayhome617 7 months ago
@longwayhome617 I think that's what my gripe was there are NO videos of this speech without the music. Wow it takes a lot of repeating to get through doesn't it.
MrLuvlyJubly 6 months ago
Classiest youtube post on RFK's singularly great speech. TY.
Radbradical 1 year ago
Longway, just a brief history on H.R 4655 Iraq LIb. Act of 1998 which was supported by a majority of both rep. and dems. alike, including John Kerry, signed by the President Clinton who viewed the regime in Iraq as a "Serious Threat to our way of life". When this bill was approved it included not only financial support but military support as well. To further support this, plans for the ware were already in the planning stages as early as 1995, during Clintons administration.
cohennewsmedia 1 year ago
@cohennewsmedia Thanks for the history lesson. I used an example that fit the words. If you disagree with that example, that's cool. I find it an accurate image. The blood is on the hands of those who made the final decision to send the troops into a country that was in no way responsible for the attacks on 9/11, not a piece of legislation from 1998.
Iraq was not a "serious threat" to anything in 2003 anyway.
IHaveAPodXTLive 1 year ago
Greatest speech ever. Have you ever noticed that anyone that preaches peace, equal rights, or freedom gets assasinated. Abe Lincoln, Ghandi, MLK, JFK, RFK, John Lennon.....etc. Someone has a vested interest in keeping people seperated, fighting amonst ourselves. Man will never be able to advance mentally or live in harmony until every person is considered equal. If we are all born with equal rights, how is one man able to take away anothers rights just because he disagrees with them ???
Lardawg67 1 year ago
Man cannot advance in groups while leaving others behind. We must all advance together as one. Hatred is learned behavior and is based on our differences. We are taught to hate. We must be able to look beyond what we are taught . If we limit our minds to what we are taught we will never know the truth. We have to open our minds and think for ourselves , otherwise we are simply following the opinions of others. The truth will set us free.
Lardawg67 1 year ago
Living in harmony means there is no ruling class, no emperors, no royalty, no elite. People who are equal can neither rule nor serve another man. Harmony has no boundaries based on race, religion, or sexual preference . Differences should not stop us from working together to achieve the same goal. It is sad that societies are so easily manipulated into following the path laid out for them by people interested in maintaining contol of them.
Lardawg67 1 year ago
He gave this speech the day after he informed the crowd in Indy that MLK was shot and killed (April 4, 1968). When he walked to the podium he said to an aide, "My God they don't know." Which was true. The crowd didn't know about Kings' death.
Only 2 months later he was trying to stay alive after being shot by the same assholes who killed MLK and President Kennedy.
This speech will last through the ages for every nation until we listen to his words of wisdom.
1916jutland 1 year ago
if RFK had won the president election in -68, who knows what america would look like today? such a waste...
MissMeshuggener 2 years ago 3
My eyes tear up and my heart aches as I hear this man.
How could they kill a man with such a noble message of love?
eilirudy 2 years ago 26
becuase if loved ruled the world then obama, bush, cheney, brown etc would be out of a job.
gunner23 2 years ago
Sad but true, I hope he is in a better place now...
eilirudy 2 years ago
@eilirudy what do you mean how could they are you that naive?? they are evil man, they have killed hundereds like him and more.
47cargo 1 week ago
this is actually my 2nd favorite speech of his
1. Day of Affirmation speech
2. This
3. MLK assassination speech
most people have that order switched but thats how i rank his speeches
hitch4645 2 years ago
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Kevin3200 2 years ago
Awesome Speech and incredible to listen to. Hey not sure if you all know this but there is a new book coming out in April about this speech. It is published through Hamilton Books and is called, "The Mindless Menace of Violence: Robert F. Kennedy's Vision and the Fierce Urgency of Now." Sounds interesting.
History2361 2 years ago
Perhaps the finest speech of the 20th century. It was a long and big leap for me to finally realize that RFK was bigger and better than JFK.
bwo381 2 years ago 20
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I agree with you!
chelxeaty 2 years ago
@bwo381 yEAH man ME too it take a long time before i even known about bobby ... but when you learn more who was really JFK you see the bobby in him.. that exactly bobby he had gain a fuckin Reputation not just because he was president brother , in fact all decision we're taken with Bobby so it shows how he was trusting him;
brian3d14 1 year ago
@bwo381 ok JFK yes he was great I loved him, I dont want to bring him down la! Bobby was alwayz there to safe jack from controversy and everything in the way!!!!!:P Such great mans they we'Re!!! never hheard political figures taking peace and compassion and equal chances and ohhhh the basic of life :P
brian3d14 1 year ago
@bwo381 Yes, Bobby was the one...
ikaael 1 year ago
This speech brings tears to my eyes every time. Especially when images of school shootings are displayed. I know the devastating power a bullet has in shattering lives. It doesn't only shatter the life of the victim but also of their family and friends. Five lives were lost and my friend wounded last Valentines Day when a gunman entered an auditorium at my University. Our fragile and broken lives were held together by the loving hands of a student body which experienced a similar event.
KostaA1982 3 years ago
God Bless those students at Virginia Tech for guiding everyone at Northern Illinois University through such a difficult time.
KostaA1982 3 years ago
Longwayhome: I'm sorry, but you really poltiicized Robert's words unnecesarily....it has nothing to do with Bush or Iraq. You turned his words into propaganda and thats just wrong.
Marana1234 3 years ago
Did nothing of the sort. Merely used an example that fit with the words of RFK: "too often we honor swagger and bluster and the wielders of force."
Convince me that's not precisely what occurred with the Bush Administration?
They're a good example. If it offends you that I used them as an example, tough shit. They made themselves out to be what I portrayed them as.
longwayhome617 3 years ago 18
agreed. The bush administration is a prime example. This is my favorite speech of all time from a great man.
Xsuicidekings14X 3 years ago
@longwayhome617 Truth is Truth and cannot be denied. When the government is lacking at the top of the ladder all life goes down..just look at the unintelligent leadership that now exists. Thank you for this truthful message
ibandito2 1 year ago
His words were not meant to simply be pretty, but to be put into action. In particular, this would mean that they should be applied wherever the situation demands. If it's toward a political leader, so be it. The day that we exempt political leaders from critique of swagger and bluster for fear of politicizing is the day these very leaders have the freedom to act with unchecked impunity. In the face of power, all we have is words and it is the beauty of society that words can win over power.
richragan2 2 years ago 2
That is exactly why he was killed, his words were part of an agenda to bring love where there was hatred. A thing which threatened those who lived in contempt, fear and isolation from the rest of the people.
The life is short of those who speak of love on this earth.
eilirudy 2 years ago 6
@Marana1234 I agree with Marana1234....you've cheapened a great speech by a great man.
repsjohnso 1 year ago
@Marana1234 Listen to it again. “Too often we honor swagger and bluster and wielders of force; too often we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered dreams of others.” Does this not sound like the Bush and now the Obama administrations. Bobby Kennedys' words are still relevant today. It is about ending violence, and the last few presidents solved every foreign issue with? Violence, right?
inkman46 1 week ago
My favorite speech. So powerful. A timeless message. Robert Kennedy was a fine orator. Great video.
MarkSagan 3 years ago
Very Nice!
jgarakanian3 3 years ago
thank you .......it was a nice reminder of how it needs to be changed even today.
love & peace to all
MNtruthSeeker 3 years ago
I'm tired of seeing this speech co-opted by far-leftists.
Bobby Kennedy wouldn't have wiped his ass with you morons.
DantesDump 3 years ago
lol what makes me a far leftist? That I condemn the tyrants Bush/Cheney are for their senseless, baseless actions that have led to the deaths/injuries of over a million Iraqis, deaths of over 4,000 US military troops, and injuries of over 100,000 US troops?
I find it funny people get so worked up over 1-2 pictures. Really...get with the program. If you're still defending the Bush Administration at this point, your criticism means absolutely nothing to anyone.
longwayhome617 3 years ago
Never mind that the exact quote going with those pictures is: "Too often we honor swagger and bluster, and the wielders of force. Too often we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered dreams of other human beings..."
Fits perfect with the Bush Administration to me. If you want to cry over it, continue on :) I'll happily listen and have rebuttals waiting.
longwayhome617 3 years ago
Yeah, tell that to the Kurds that Hussein executed about how pointless the war in Iraq is.
Or what about all the people who were killed on 9/11, do you want the clowns that masterminded the attacks to get caught?
I know I'm gonna come off as a right-wing lunatic, but I've put a lot of thought into this. I want to make sure that the world is a safer place for my niece and my little cousins and the only way I can see that happening is to make sacrifices.
PeterBluth 3 years ago
If that means that, at the end of the day, I'm a little less free and they get to live, I'm okay with that.
I don't give a damn what happens to me, I just want to make this world is safer for the next generation. If that's really something I should be ashamed of than I'm ashamed and proud to be ashamed.
PeterBluth 3 years ago
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
Al-Qaeda has gotten more recruits throughout the duration of these wars then they ever have. They're not defeated in the least bit. The Taliban in Afghanistan are the strongest they have been since the war began. Troop deaths in Afghanistan are at their highest since the war began. The world's view of the US has diminished completely. We're no safer than we were.
longwayhome617 3 years ago
Then I guess I don't deserve security or freedonm, but my niece is three years and my cousin is a year old, and I don't want them to live in a world where they're free, but not safe.
Safety and liberty are able to walk hand-in-hand, but sometimes one or other has to be sacrificed for the greater good. If that's the case, I choose freedom to be sacrificed so that my family can stay alive.
PeterBluth 3 years ago
And this is the reason the Republicans have walked wherever they please for 7 years. Fear mongering.
longwayhome617 3 years ago
History shows that those who use power to restrict freedom abuse their power against those very people that put them in power. Your 3 year old neice, and your 1 year old cousin will suffer because of your willingness to give power to those who would restrict their freedom. And they will not benefit by greater security. It is a ruse PeterBush - you are being convinced to give up freedom by those who will eventually use it against your niece and cousin to make a more unsafe world.
utubecomandante 3 years ago
I know, for a fact, that I'll never win an argument with people like you. I know that this administration isn't perfect (Good Lord, it's not perfect), but we can't simply deny that, while Cheney is an abuser of power, Bush does what he does for the betterment of his people.
Of course, this line of thinking only applies to thos who believe Bush is nothing more than Cheney's puppet.
PeterBluth 3 years ago
We should invade a good 20 countries if that's the logic we're following. Hussein was nothing compared to some of the things other tyrants are doing. Why don't we invade any number of those countries? Because we don't invade countries to free the people, we invade countries to get resources out of it and have holding ground to control that region of the world. Please don't tell me you REALLY buy into Cheney giving two shits about Kurds....seriously?
longwayhome617 3 years ago
You keep talking and I still don't care. I know know Cheney doesn't give two shits about the Kurds, but they still got fucked by Hussein and his regime. To me the world is better off without him.
Also, I don't care why we go into other countrues. Free the people? Get the resources? Does it really matter, there won't be any loons like Hussein or any other dictators going around killing their own people just because they get their rocks off on it.
PeterBluth 3 years ago
Yes, it does matter. If you don't care, kindly stop throwing out an opinion on it -.- Why people open their mouths to put forth an argument when they don't want to hear a rebuttal is beyond me.
longwayhome617 3 years ago
@PeterBluth -Ben Franklin once said that anyone willing to give up essential liberty to gain temporary security deserves neither and will surely lose both. If you don't care that people like Cheney go into other countries to grab resources while killing people along the way, then how is he better than Saddam and isn't he also a loon ? How can you trust a person with that mindset to protect you ? "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free".
Lardawg67 1 year ago
@Lardawg67 Because you know where they stand. As long they get what they want, you're safe. Does that make them better? No, but if a bad situation can you afford to be the "better" man? The answer is no. I don't believe in using the moral high grounds on a situation like Iraq or Afghanistan, if they're gonna torture and kill our guys, I wanna see some blood spilled on their side.
PeterBluth 1 year ago
@PeterBluth I can't believe you are so gullible to think that giving up your freedom is gonna keep you or your family safe. Good luck with that one. Giving up freedom means handing over control of your own life to someone else. People who control other people are dictators. Show me one dictator that you think was fair and just to the people they controlled. Go live in a dictatorship like China for awhile and then get back to me on this.
Lardawg67 1 year ago
@Lardawg67 I'm not gullible, I just see the world as a place where people need to be controlled for the greater good. There are people out there who are better than the average person and, therefore, they need to be nurtured and controlled for the greater good.
PeterBluth 1 year ago
@PeterBluth Well I don't know what to tell you then. I can see that you live in fear and think that our answer is government control. But what if the problems we face were created intentionally to make you voluntarily give up your freedom to people who seek to control you ? No greater good will ever come of that. Rich people never have enough money, and control freaks never have enough control. They will always seek more until you are nothing but a slave.
Lardawg67 1 year ago
@Lardawg67 Part of my problem is I am a control freak myself. So, I see control as a beautiful, beautiful thing.
PeterBluth 1 year ago
@PeterBluth You say part of your problem is that you are a control freak also. Interesting how you call it a "problem", and yet don't see anything wrong with it. Hmmm.
Lardawg67 1 year ago
@Lardawg67 True, maybe I'm slowly coming out of this stubborn haze? I never know. Cause there's at least one thing that'll always push me back. Don't ask what it because even I don't know.
PeterBluth 1 year ago
@PeterBluth . I don't understand you. How can you say that you don't care that we enter other countries killing people and taking resources.....and then say the world is better off without Hussein who kills his own people. It is still a human life, regardless if they were killed by Saddam, or by us stealing the resources. Either way the main objective is control......control of the people by Saddam or control of oil by us. To not see this fact is to ignore the value of human life.
Lardawg67 1 year ago
@Lardawg67 Do you want the real truth as to why I don't care? If I agree with the people who agree with this speech, that proves that I've been wrong for more than a decade. That is something I don't want that. That sort of thing makes me question everything I have ever done in my life, wondering if I made the wrong decision. And I hate the idea that I could ever be wrong.
PeterBluth 1 year ago
@PeterBluth Wow you are stubborn..and thats not meant as an insult. You would rather stick to your original ideas just so you don't have to admit you are wrong ? It takes a much bigger person to admit a mistake then it does to carry on the making the same mistake. Albert Einstein once said " we can't solve our problems with the same thinking we used to create them". Only the truth will set you free. I hope for your sake and the sake of your family that you see this one day. Peace !
Lardawg67 1 year ago
@Lardawg67 I know, but I'm not made to be the bigger man. I'm meant to be small, petty, and unchanging. That's who I am. I've accepted this about myself a long time. It's a sad state, but I'm comfortable here. And that's why when I'm wrong, I like my comfort and to change it all, just a little bit, upsets that comfort. If I may quote my favorite philosopher, Al Bundy, "I am not a man happy with change."
PeterBluth 1 year ago
@PeterBluth One last note. To question everything you have ever done or thought means that your mind is growing , opening up, and learning. That is a good thing and should not be repressed.
Lardawg67 1 year ago
Well Said!!!
chelxeaty 2 years ago
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Certainly you know that. There were no "masterminds of 9/11" anywhere near Iraq at the time of our invasion and likely none any time prior to our invasion. There were absolutely ZERO connections between Hussein and Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. The majority of the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. The "masterminds" have been and still are in the mountains dividing Afghanistan/Pakistan. If we WANTED to catch/kill Bin Laden and the others, we could have done so.
longwayhome617 3 years ago
Either way, I'm very sorry two pictures of irresponsible people have sparked such a debate on a speech/video that is in direct opposition of violence being a primary option to solving domestic/international issues.
longwayhome617 3 years ago
You're right, I've just been a little too stubborn to quit. RFK's thoughts could work in a perfect world. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect and, sometimes, I forget that there are people out there that believe there is always another way to solve our problems outside of fighting.
I'd would like to end this debate now, because, honestly, neither one of us is going to win.
PeterBluth 3 years ago
i thought it was a good video...it is sad to see that such old and wise words have yet to be heeded.
also, nice to see that the pics used werent entirely usa based. violence and intolerance is a worldly issue
DropkickSmith88 3 years ago
i agree.
whiteassourcream16 3 years ago
I'm so sick of people taking immortal words by such a great man and using them to take cheap jabs at current politicians. I don't care if you're republican, democrat, independent, or any other party. I don't care if you support President Bush's policies 100% or if you completely disagree with him on every decision. To put such acusatory sentiment behind one of the most beautiful speeches that is actually railing against intolerance and blind hatred is disgusting.
iambradb 3 years ago
I use the best examples around.
longwayhome617 3 years ago
More so, it was a shot at him as a person, not a politician. I have every right to look at him as a bad person who caused unnecessary bloodshed and violence...on a large scale.
longwayhome617 3 years ago
Well I dont care what you think because RFK stood for honest and open leadership. And not the corruption going on today in politics. This current administration has completely left the United States in a train wreck. And using Bobby as a catalyst to understand whats wrong with America and George W. Bush is completely in line with one another. The great words of RFK give us hope in such dismal times.
boxerbriefs76 3 years ago 2