The thing about the joker in this movie is that he DIDNT plan anything. they said that in the movie, more than once. he did things as they happened...thats what was so great about it!
this is the greatest batman to date, i think Christian Bale is the greatest Batman ever, the plot was simple but never a dull moment, i didnt think Morgan Freeman suited the role as Lucieus because Morgan plays roles usually with more human spirit not with a bunch of gadgets, the film setting was excelent because it felt asif it was in the real world wheras other superhero films lack that, overall a 10/10.
SwagShow i saw this movie and really loved it. Thanks for the review. And i like how you explained about everything you liked in the film. Thanks for the information and would love to talk to you.
- Nolan didnt want the Dent/2face dual personality on purpose; Joker wanted to show how a good guy could become a bad person after 1 bad day - which is what he tried to do in the graphic novel "the killing joke"
(in fact, Nolan asked his actors to read it along with other Batman novels)
- "how did he know about the boats and the passengers "; well, by watching the movie, it's obvious that Gotham is quite corrupt and that Joker has a lot of people under his control
I think you need to be more considered and more objective and just admit Heath was the best villain ever to grace the Batman films. I do believe the objective irrefutable truth is best in these situations.
Because I didn't really like Batman Begins, I initially wasn't enthusiastic about this movie. It wasn't until I saw the second trailer, I really started to have scond thoughts. When I saw this in theatres, I loved it. Because the movie was great, I forgive Christopher Nolan for Batman Begins.
what first batman with jack nickleson was good but not that good i saw the movie when i was 12 second the dark knight is the greatest superhero film ever made look at the numbers and so i give dark knight 5 stars and batman 2 stars and by way two face is dark knight was the best he was a kick ass twoface he was mean not a joke like tommy lee jones
Pretty silly comment as to the joker's plan. It is obvious that part of his plan is complete chaos. Since he is okay with chaos he can make crazy things happen, as you constantly takes chances. I don't think he would really care if he ended up killing Dent or if the ship scenario turned out different. He just plugs along.
yes u do did u have to pay attetion u know when the guy in jail has a bomb in his stumach the bomb is in the shap of question mark guess what that means riddil me this
i disagree with your review because the joker is never serious about what he says so he makes people think he planned everything another thing was the bat-pod isn't convenient its just part of the tumbler which was a military vehicle and couldn've been used for anything third they again explain why the bat suit had to be changed like the turning the head thing and the armor which helped with agility.
in regards to the jokers "plan" we dont see much behind the scenes, i think he counted on batman saving dent and killing Rachel so he could show Dent how bad the world could be, also we didn't see him reacting and changing his plan as the new circumstances warranted
I think it's terribly sad as a big fan of Batman people just ignore how much the two new movies deviates from the source material... it's not Batman. It's "wannabe"-Batman, no matter how good one think it is.
@kurvos i disagree, while the animated series or something like Batman: Arkham Asylum is rooted more in the comic books then the Nolanverse movies, he makes great cinematic pieces using the same source material, the tragedy and loss from Bruce losing his parents, it's very poignant, he's a great director and these are great films, i just enjoy them in a different way i do the comics/games/shows
@deanobeany You know, I used to think exactly the same way as you. But then I thought about it a LOT deeper. Yes, the new Batman movies are great. But they are not Batman as we know and love it. It's still just "wannabe" material. And the movies aren't precisely perfect, even though you accept the fact it's not the real-deal Batman. They are too pretentious, for instance. Almost no dialouges in here feels natural. Everyone always know what to say.
@deanobeany Trust me - you don't wanna try me. I am one of the biggest Batman fans ever. Not a fan like collecting ridicoulusly much shit; but a fan like trying to understand what Batman is all about. But seriously; if you really want to go indepth about it with me, I suggest you to write a private message to me instead. And one more thing - don't respond at all if you won't be openminded. I promise you I will do my best to be openminded myself. ;)
i really did not like this movie. i know you guys are gonna spam me for having an opinion, but i never was a batman fan and i didnt like the movie. dont spam me for this.
@lava172 "never was a batman fan" i may be wrong here but... you may be watching the wrong youtube vid? i dont like Twilight... i dont look at youtube reviews of those movies dude
for god sake, can't anyone see, there is not going to be a follow up to the dark knight, at the end they smashed the bat signal and everyone started to hunt him down. plus he shut down the bat cave so he can't use that again.
Sorry for spoiler but the villan(s) in batman 3 are Harley Quinn, Catwoman (Cant wait to see) The Riddler (Johnny Depp Woo Hoo) and returning Two-Face and possibly (Really hope) The Joker
@forrestfire23 That is 100% wrong you liar. Cat-Woman is the only one you said that was right. Two-Face died so he can't be in it. The actor who played as Joker also died so he won't be in it. So if Joker isn't in it, then Harley Quinn will definitely not. Christopher Nolan said that Riddler won't be in it. Fuck you you piece of shit!
I think there was a hint. when Fox show Wayne the new suit, Wayne asked "how will it do against dog?" Fox repiles, "It will do fine against cats." i think catwoman is coming.
While I prefer the subtlety and gothic comic book feel of the orginal film, there is no denying that this movie rocks. My only gripes are that it lacks some of the comic book feel of any previous films, and Bale's voice was overdone. The dialogue does point out the obvious a little but I guess it can be good or bad depending on what you're in the mood for. If this The Godfather Part II of comic book movies then the 1989 film is Citizen Kane, so both could be the greatest either way.
You shouldn't overthink a movie like this, because its in the superhero genre and there is an almost mythic feel to these types of movies. I do agree with u about what u didn't like, except u forgot one thing: batman's voice sucked!
There were lots of little things that kinda made the movie lame. Thou I love the movie. Way better than Batman & Robin Or Batman Forever. One major thing that bothers me about this movie was the lack of Jokes via the Joker. Its in his damn name to make gags or some kinda jokes sometimes. Thats my only gripe about the movie really. Other than that totally agree with 4 Batarangs.
Joker didnt need a plan for he figured out that other people always had one and used it against them. Basically all that can be said is the joker did one little thing and then the people of gothem took that little thing and gave the joker a huge advatange.
Well everything you said about him actually having a plan and the joker having harvey as his " ace in the hole " is a very good description on your part but yet again you are partly wrong. The joker never really had a plan such as what silvertusk said. All he did was basically go with the flow. Alot of "what if's" still remain in this movie but the true source is what if it never happened?
well, while you may not have liked the bat suit, Christian Bale himself said in an interview that he liked the new one a lot better. it was lighter and more comfortable to him.
I like how SWAFshow does these reviews of the Batman movies by using reasons for strength and weaknesses of certian elements. I like how he explains why he likes some aspects but dose not seem to be on a witch hunt for people who like something he does not care for. He is an excellent film critic.
That's my issue with the movie is as well, the Tumbler is for use in the desert (jumping over friggin bridges!!!) and the sand would render the bike useless. There is no need for it...also I think J just put the 2 bombs on the boats, it doesn't matter who was on it...
I really hope that Bullock would be in the next Batman. Other characters... well the Riddler might be too similar to Joker. Two-Face would be logic and it would be cool if we'd get a New Batman Animated Series-style Penguin. You know, like a chubby businessman with a criminal history. Maybe give him just an interest in birds an some finger disfunction.
About your main criticism: The Joker knew that Batman would try to save Rachel based on how he acted during the interrogation, so he told Batman and Gordon's SWAT team that Rachel was in Harvey's location and that Harvey was in Rachel's location. Rachel's actual location (the location that the Joker said Harvey was being held at) was further from where Harvey was being held, so he was pretty damn sure that Batman would get there before it blew. But yes, it was still a bit of an assumption.
I think Nolan figured that a dual-personality with Two-Face would have been unrealistic and that's why he left it out. I guess its my soft spot for Burton's Batman, but I kind of wished for at least a little something surreal in the mix.
BTW, I didn't like how Scarecrow appeared in the movie for a few minutes. He really wasn't necessary and it felt weird because I thought he was over and done with after the last film.
I think what u r missing, is that Two-face and Harvey can agree on murder because we sense this when he terrorizes the Joker's henchman: he has a edge and might do bad things to achieve something good. Two-Face is not something different: sadly, he's just harvey and that's what batman does not get.
Your talking about the Jokers big plan!!!! What big plan? The Joker says in the movie that he doesn't have a plan he just goings with it. That is the Jokers nature.
i really wish two-face had that dual personality like u said. both batman forever and the dark knight didn't have it. ..so its sad. the story line would be much more interesnting
what about when Two face points the gun to his face, The Joker didn't care if he was going to blow his head of, he just took chance and it turned in The Jokers favor.
@SWAGshow Although I agree things were a little too convenient, it seemed to me the Joker was making things up as he went, bribing and tricking people as things went, and kidnapping Harvey and Rachael was a type of backup plan...
@SWAGshow Okay, three nitpicks. There are two very logical and plausible reasons for the Batpod. Either Batman figured there could conceivably be a situation in which the Tumbler would blow up (which there was) and it would become necessary to eject or the vehicle already had it as part of the system before he appropriated it. He didn't design it, remember.
Also, this movie is more true to the character than has ever been done in live-action. The Ra's thing from Begins was morally
@SWAGshow reprehensible and in my opinion tantamount to murder, and I don't believe Batman would EVER do that. EVER. He values life and serves as a sort of moral compass. He had to make an effort not to hit The Joker. And if that's just MY morality, the Batman should always have a more noble morality than others. Why should Batman have less regard for human life than me?
Three, and this one pisses me off, I really hope you don't believe Harvey Dent is alive. How can they bring him back? He's
@SWAGshow dead. Gone. Not alive anymore. You saw the body like everyone else. They showed Harvey falling to his death on screen and showed the body in detail. It was him, I assure you. Do you really think the world's greatest detective and a 20+ year veteran cop wouldn't be able to tell the difference between someone who's unconscious and a corpse? Why did they show the body? Why would they hold a funeral? Why would Batman and Gordon cover for him like that? Simply put...
Second is the batsuit. Now I see that for Batman Begins and The Dark Knight you mentioned a few times that it feels very real. Not like a comic book movie at all. Well, that's the whole point. Everything about this movie is practicality. The tumbler with its armor and tank-like structure is much more practical that let's say a Batmobile that sudden cocoons itself in a shield. Same with the Batsuit being a vest. It's about functionality. It's not eyecandy. I think you should have mentioned that.
I just finished watching all of your batman movie reviews. And there's two things that I'd like to share.
First of all, I agree with what you said about joker's elaborate plan. There's just too much left to chance and it seems improbable that everything will fall into place just the way he had planned it. You mentioned only two or three things about what could have gone wrong. I could think of more.
as far as no showing for the next villian. i really do believe they were going to do right by all batman fans. i mean unlike in the original u cant just kill off joker after one movie. thats his arch-enimy. i mean you need sabertooth to have a wolverine and you need a joker to have batman as simple as that. i do hope though they do bring back 2face. i believe he is the second best batman villian and to loose the top 2 in one film would be quit sad. but rumors have said it will b riddler.
actually you don't need sabertooth to have a wolverine..................... comics own you.... that's like saying spider man is no good without the green goblin.
now there is some real stretches. say batman does go out to try to kill the joker. the joker wasnt going to move. he was always looking for batman in some way some how to kill him as it was established at the end when it wouldnt have been a batman murder but the lack of help had he let joker plumit to his death. so building a character into that mode of mind you cant do that bc we all wouldve expected him not to move. them boom jokers dead and the movies over since there was no 2face at the time
although i do agree that the joker did have a very detailed plan i feel that he knew before hand most of what was going on. the joker in this film was excellent at reading people emotionally and i think he knew exactly what batman was going to do. he knew batman loved rachel due to the party the night at the interim Wayne Manor. he just had a good schedule to and plan. although i do agree it can be a bit of a stretch in some parts. i mean say that cop doesnt n no call is made.
...to always comes without a scrach after fighting.Esspecialy if you are pursuing someone.You need to have backup vehicle just in case.
Anyway If you get more information about Joker you will see that he is not always having everything calculated.He always improvises, or comes up with new par of his general master plan.Even if it looks like House of Cards, so what? He is a Joker, not Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars who had everything planned from very start.
I agree with post bellow.I do belive that Harvy Dent was not Joker's "Ace in the Hole" from very start of his master plan.I mean he did planed to kill him.Again when Dent lived trough his tragedy, becaming Two Face Joker took best from situation.Sure Joker had a big plan, but it is clear to people that Joker always improvise both in adaptions and comics.
Second, I dont find Batmans bike like escape pod bugging because when you are fighting dangerous villians you cant expect your vehicle...
This may simply be Devil's Advocate arguments, as I do see where you're coming from, but 1) Dent only became Joker's "Ace in the Hole" after he became Two Face. It can remain consistent with Joker's character that he initially only intended to see what would happen between if they choose to save Rachel or Dent, and only after Harvey survived did Joker hatch his plan to "unleash" Two Face.
2) Joker didn't have to know that they would separate the civilians from the convicts on the boats. The point was just that one group would elect to blow up the others to save themselves, regardless who they were. He was simply trying to show their corruptibility, not necessarily to break it down to demographics.
3) Saying that Batman wouldn't be killing The Joker if he hurled his bike at him in a moralistic sense is like saying that whole "I'm gonna swing my arms and if you get in the way, it's your fault" kinda argument. The only real question is why he charged at him like that if he was only going to bail at the last second? What was he expecting Joker would do?
I don't concur with your critic of Joker and his plans. Because in varois DC Series. (Don't know the comics) Joker has always been portraied as an outstanding genius. Mad yes, but a genius still a man virtually capable of everything. And I think thats what the wanted to show. A mad mans genius.
And the convient gimmicks. It's based on a funded paranoia. Of a person whose aware that one can't be prepared for everything and still tries. And yeah BM is more of a soldier in the movies than in the
varius DC Series (and others). But it's more fitting to the more realistic tune of the films. I liked the film and with any luck we get a third as well.
Harvey and Rachel were in the same building!!!!! And do you really think they would put convicts with ordinary citizens?! duh the point of the 'convenient' gadgets is that they are convenient!! and the suit was great, not cartoony, but it was serious...
I think the reason that they chose that batman wouldnt kill the joker with the batpod was that the movie would be shorter, and just think of the joker die hat way.. That would look kinda stupid. I think that this is the best batman movie ever, but thats my opinion
Christian Bale took everything away from both Bruce and Batman,he used to be the best Batman and the best Bruce [Yes Keaton had a better voice but Bale had a better script]
But then Dark Knight turned Gordon,Batman,and Dent into villains who just escalated Jokers experiements and that voice,I could no longer tell which side he was on
One things for certain even George Clooney did a better job
I thought Batman's scene with Ra's Al Ghul was very out of character -- through Batman Begins, he's just Bruce Wayne and it all seems to be vengeance, not vigilantism. I think he came into his character much better in TDK, more Batman wearing the mask of Bruce Wayne, and Batman's one rule is not to kill. You can't say that not doing anything when someone's about to die follows this; that means the Joker never killed Rachel. It was the explosives! She just didn't get out!
Good or bad, depending on tastes, and obviously the b.o. shows that alot think its good. Nolan has bridged the gap(somewhat) from Burton's operatic tragedy of Batman and the 'realness' of being BM. Sometimes I think in it he loses the mystery and eeriness of BM, but nothing like Val/George's public figure BM. I like the new BM's, no doubt, but there's just a little something missing, he does come off a bit too much like a well-funded vigilante, but it works in many other ways. No Shumaker? GREAT
Vicki Vale, tho she worked for BM89, was just a pretty face for the 2 stars to 'use'. You're right about him 'givin up the mantle' but as much as I like Nolan/Bale's BM, I still the charac. they are puttin out really, at its core, what they are showing isn't much differ. than Punisher. Family killed wants revenge. Yes I know the story is differ. but the underlying currents are the same. Again the chaos, duality and pathos. But its just my opinion. As long as Shumacher isnt involved I'm happy
...a sad, lonely person. An empty shell of a person and B-man is all he has. Bale's Bruce is an angry rich guy. Not the same. Bale's Bruce 'rejoice's' in being Batman. Keaton's is depressed and sad, he doesn't 'rejoice' in Batman, he hates it but knows he's nothing w/o it. W/o it he would drink himself to death. Keaton's realizes this insanity is the only thing keeping him alive, Bale's is the extreme version of joining a support group. B-man is human, so he CAN'T be square-jawed like s-man.
Bale didnt rejoice in being Batman at all, the whole point of TDK is that he's looking for a way out, thats what Harvey Dent's contribution to this storyline is. Also this is supposed to be Batman's early years, he may not have become insane yet as he would have been in the Keaton Batman films where he was a more seasoned Batman in that timeline.
Good reviews. Keaton had one thing over the new movies, he was able to capture the emotional pathos of being Batman. The split of not wanting to be Batman but knowing he has to be Batman. Bale hasn't done that yet. Bale plays Batman as a well-funded secret agent man, too cocky in why he's doing it. Keaton played it as depressed self-absorbed vigilante, not sure why he's doing it but knows he must, has to to be 'sane'. That's the one thing Keaton has over all the rest. Batman/Bruce is really....
SWAGShow I think how you describe Katie Holmes' character would waaay better describe Heath Ledger's Joker. Plus you say you like backstory but yet you aren't bothered by the lack of backstory for Joker and you fail to mention the hypocrisy with how Joker has this huge plan yet he claims to hate plans
I liked Katie Holmes character much better because she had spine rather than dull sarcasm and death.
I agree with you on Eckhart though.But I still liked Batman Begins overall more
I love how you didn't just come out and compare the '89 movie to The Dark Knight. Naturally, since the main villains are the same base character, people are going to compare them. But when I ask people what they thought about The Dark Knight and the first thing they say is that it was better than the first, it kind of discredits them right there. The two movies are extremely different in style, plot, and themes that it doesn't make sense to outright say one was completely better or worse.
I agree, it's not fair to say Heath Ledgers Joker was better than Jack Nicholson's.I think both performances were equally good, the only difference is Jack Nicholson's Joker is interpreted out of the mind and world of Tim Burton, Heath Ledgers in the world of a different director. Honestly I think if Jack Nicholson played that role in the Dark Knight at Heath Ledger's age today he would have done just as good a preformance.
see I don't know about that. Because when you watch Batman 89 you realize you are watching Jack Nicholson in makeup. He didn't really lose himself in that role, he played the Joker as Jack Nicholson. Granted I love batman 89, and loved the joker. But I think what Heath created goes beyond what Jack could have done. I'm not saying he's a better actor, it's just sometimes you get lucky and cast the perfect person for the part. The whole time you watch TDK you never think hey that's heath ledger.
You think hey it's the joker. When you watch batman 89 you are well aware of the actor playing the joker. That's just my oppinion though. I just hate it when people get into heated arguments about whose better. People have different tastes, like I hated batman returns because I don't think it's a batman movie, it's more of a Tim Burton movie with characters from the Batman comics.
riddler ,catwomen ,harley Quinn and The peguinare the likely villins for the next batman movie, shadow of the bat. And harley's face will look like the joker's wife( the dark knight joker) catwomen will look like she's a spandext supermodle Riddler will look like he did in the batman anamatied searis without the pepple mask. Can't say much about penguin Sorry :(
He also switched the locations of Dent and Rachel, knowing that Batman would intially go after Rachel, he already revealed earlier that he knew about him and Dent's "little bunnie", so he cleverly switched them so that his "ace in the hole" would live, also knowing that Dent would be a torn down man after virtually listening to the love of his life die.
As Gordon said, "he took the best of us and tore him down", and that's exactly what he did. Also, do you like Batman(1989) better, or TDK?
I thought the plan was ingenious. Now, you do bring up some good points about the joker's plan, and the flaws that could have POTENTIALLY been exposed, but c'mon. There was going to be a 90% chance that Batman would have gotten to Dent in time, he is after all batman, especially since the Joker was timing the whole process in the MCU, and made sure he told him at the right time.
The whole 'I won't kill but I won't save you either' thing doesn't apply to the Batpod, because that would have been out of his own deliberate action. In Batman Begins, the whole train scenario wasn't a deliberate action and Batman didn't have control over the train, so that works, but not with the Batpod. Same thing with the Joker ending, he had to save Joker because otherwise his death would have been a deliberate action.
Good review.:) But I got some points - Harvey Dent died in the movie, so he can't come back. And the Joker is a mysterious and chancing villain, which makes his plans interesting to me. Also, the new batsuit is to make it plausible how he upgrades it. You need to be able to appreciate realism to understand that particular thing of this movie. And I love it for that. This is in my opinion the best movie ever made.
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i HATED the dark knight, 1. batman, seriously, get a better batman who knows how to ACT, and doesn't try to bring the though that he has split personalities, 2. the joker, in the cartoons, comics, all that good stuff from my childhood, he didn't wear make up...besides the lipstick, his skin was bleached white, meaning he was unable to disguise himself without the props of a mask or something....so wtf? they ruined my favorite super hero. ._.
Swag, you are over-thinking this. The Joker doesn't need a rhyme or reason to do anything, he even says it himself. He just does things. He knew that Batman would try to save Rachel, so if he gave Rachel Harvey's location then Dent would be saved instead. That is why he had the Oil Drums in the base. THe Joker knows what people are like, but he pretty much makes it up when the pieces fall into place. He is illogical, and that is how he is in the comic book.
as a huge batman fan myself, you were talkin bout the jokers plan, well of course its guna be ridiculously crazy come on look at who the villian is..it is the joker. nothing he does ever makes sense, the only thing i did not like about this movie is they never told you how the joker became who he is in the moive, unlike the orignal batman where they showed how he became the joker, i think it would of made it better just so then all those who never seen it will be able to make sense out of it.(?)
Well he became the Joker for one reason, he went insane and put on clown makeup. All of this is more for Batman fans, we all know he is crime lord Jack NapierAKA the Red Hood and Batman fights him in a chemical plant and turns him into the Joker(and drives him insane). But that wasn't going to fly for the over-realistic tone of this film. You get it?
There were small hints at the next villian actually. Cats, i.e catwoman, had a brief reference which opens that up to interpretation, and the name of the guy Harvey Dent almost shot is the same name of the character who was the Mad Hatter in the comics. Someone also mentioned the penguin in an interview after the movie was released. But who knows. Nolan hasn`t even confirmed that he`ll do the next movie.
Jokers plan needed alot of things to go right, right? Harvey was his ace in the hole, right? Jokers crazy and he went all in with all his hopes on the river, if it was a texas hold em game of course. But it was all fluke and it be pretty dumb but comedic if he got everything wrong.
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my complaints about ur review is is joker new batman would get there on time cuz of how much he cared for ratchel and cuz hes the motherplippin batman and the batpod coming out was amazing!! he didnt know it would happen but if he had a program that would tell him what state his vehicle was in and wether he should leave kinda calls for a quick escape i did agree about him swerving but i disagreed about aaron eckhart i thought he was amazing overall i say easily the best batman movie yet
you never know if he will come back....stuff like that always happens lol...prob not though people criticize movies to much now. They cant make a villain come back to life guess....because everyone would freak out lol.
There's one thing that I really hate about both batman movies, Christian Bale's voice as batman. It's just awful, especcialy when I think about Kevin Conroy as batman from the animated series. Now that's a great voice.
I havn't seen the animated series enough to know about Conroy, but i have to agree with you about Bale - This is my brother's favorite movie and even he agrees this voice was too over done, all wrong.
Batman Begins ended with the lead cop guy is stating that a new bad guy just committed robbery at a bank. The Dark Knight began when that robbery took place. HAHAHA, or maybe it was a year later, i dont know
The thing about the joker in this movie is that he DIDNT plan anything. they said that in the movie, more than once. he did things as they happened...thats what was so great about it!
findingnelo 1 month ago
this is the greatest batman to date, i think Christian Bale is the greatest Batman ever, the plot was simple but never a dull moment, i didnt think Morgan Freeman suited the role as Lucieus because Morgan plays roles usually with more human spirit not with a bunch of gadgets, the film setting was excelent because it felt asif it was in the real world wheras other superhero films lack that, overall a 10/10.
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@JezzyJam I think Batman just wanted to see a glimpse of fear in The Joker... which did not happen.
andreasgutten 1 month ago
@JezzyJam I think Batman just wanted to see a glimpse of fear in The Joker... which did not happen.
andreasgutten 1 month ago
@JezzyJam He was just trying to scare him out of the way, and he couldnt anticipate Joker not really caring and Batman realized this too late.
thaR3ardon 2 months ago
wow love your reviews. Can't wait for one on the dark knight rises
BlarnForge 2 months ago
I think Batman did not want to hurt The Joker and just hit the truck because he did not want to kill him. Thanks for replying and have a great day.
Andrew8892 2 months ago
SwagShow i saw this movie and really loved it. Thanks for the review. And i like how you explained about everything you liked in the film. Thanks for the information and would love to talk to you.
Andrew8892 3 months ago
Honestly I liked batman begins better,and the best batman movie was batman, mask of the phantasm
mina319 3 months ago
@mina319 Exactly, Mask of the Phantasm for me, was the best.
pacman5698 3 months ago
FOR ME:
Batman
Batman the dark knight
Batman returns
Batman begins
Batman forever
Batman and rovin
junglehunter100 5 months ago in playlist Más vídeos de SWAGshow
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ibraheemq8y 7 months ago
What! I love thr new batsuit.
nightwing4077 7 months ago
maneurisms eh?
HillDueceua 8 months ago
I thought the Joker staged the crimminal being on the boat
MegaGunslingerX 10 months ago
Part 3 of my review:
...running into the tower.
But with Joker, Batman is the one who sent Joker flying, si he would have directly been responsible for his death.
This video review clearly shows that his author has no grap of Batman's universe and the character the Joker is.
Worse, it's like he watched the movie without listening
rafikz77 11 months ago
Part 2 of my review of the review:
- "why couldnt he kill Joker"; comparing Ghul & Joker is like comparing apples in oranges
They have different goals; Joker is out to prove something; if Batman killed anyone (and that would include Joker himself), Joker would have won
(and let's not forget that Joker turned the ultimate good guy - Dent - into a criminal).
Joker wanted to mess up the established order.
Yes, Batman didnt kill Ghul by jumping off the train, but he ia not the one who sent it runn
rafikz77 11 months ago
My review of the review:
- Nolan didnt want the Dent/2face dual personality on purpose; Joker wanted to show how a good guy could become a bad person after 1 bad day - which is what he tried to do in the graphic novel "the killing joke"
(in fact, Nolan asked his actors to read it along with other Batman novels)
- "how did he know about the boats and the passengers "; well, by watching the movie, it's obvious that Gotham is quite corrupt and that Joker has a lot of people under his control
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rafikz77 11 months ago
maggie jilinhall sucks ass!!!!!!!!!! katie holmes was a little too self ricious though
julianwerules 1 year ago
Let's see if Anne Hathaway and Tom Hardy can top Heath Ledger.
cb2198 1 year ago
Great review but I think your critiques of the movie are flawed.
- I am not too keen on the bike either but if a billionaire funds it then its both acceptable and believeable.
- I thought it was clear that The Joker knew convicts would be on the ships due to his corrupt allies in the police and ´friends´.
- The Joker was spontaneous - he went with the flow. Hence, his plan worked.
- Batman vs The Joker on the bike was key to showing Batman´s maturity. Nothing ridiculous at all in it
illusion1user 1 year ago 7
i really want to know what is your opinion of batman`s voice ?
sga1988 1 year ago
I think you need to be more considered and more objective and just admit Heath was the best villain ever to grace the Batman films. I do believe the objective irrefutable truth is best in these situations.
adambungle 1 year ago
Because I didn't really like Batman Begins, I initially wasn't enthusiastic about this movie. It wasn't until I saw the second trailer, I really started to have scond thoughts. When I saw this in theatres, I loved it. Because the movie was great, I forgive Christopher Nolan for Batman Begins.
connorhall08 1 year ago
what first batman with jack nickleson was good but not that good i saw the movie when i was 12 second the dark knight is the greatest superhero film ever made look at the numbers and so i give dark knight 5 stars and batman 2 stars and by way two face is dark knight was the best he was a kick ass twoface he was mean not a joke like tommy lee jones
swinson1000 1 year ago
Pretty silly comment as to the joker's plan. It is obvious that part of his plan is complete chaos. Since he is okay with chaos he can make crazy things happen, as you constantly takes chances. I don't think he would really care if he ended up killing Dent or if the ship scenario turned out different. He just plugs along.
restinbeast1982 1 year ago
Good review. I always assumed that the joker made his plan up as he went along but still a good review.
randommoviereviews4 1 year ago
the bat pod reminded me the jet-ski coffin from mcgyver
cyberyanmar 1 year ago
This guy tried way to hard to objective!
qwuezalothus 1 year ago
i think i still prefer tim burton's bat-movies they feel more anarchic and cartoonish
when you look at tim you can tell he made a batman movie because of his freaky appearences- he always looked like he just came out of gotham
cyberyanmar 1 year ago
@cyberyanmar
It's not easy to grow up, right?
qwuezalothus 1 year ago
yes u do did u have to pay attetion u know when the guy in jail has a bomb in his stumach the bomb is in the shap of question mark guess what that means riddil me this
goldengunuser 1 year ago
I really like the portrayal of Harvey Dent in this movie.
Kelystic 1 year ago
The Dark Knight was a great movies.
Grandmolekid 1 year ago
i disagree with your review because the joker is never serious about what he says so he makes people think he planned everything another thing was the bat-pod isn't convenient its just part of the tumbler which was a military vehicle and couldn've been used for anything third they again explain why the bat suit had to be changed like the turning the head thing and the armor which helped with agility.
MastaLei 1 year ago
in regards to the jokers "plan" we dont see much behind the scenes, i think he counted on batman saving dent and killing Rachel so he could show Dent how bad the world could be, also we didn't see him reacting and changing his plan as the new circumstances warranted
deanobeany 1 year ago
even though i admit that ledger did a wonderful job as the joker, is not the joker i know and love, there for, i preffer hamill
horaciosi 1 year ago
I think it's terribly sad as a big fan of Batman people just ignore how much the two new movies deviates from the source material... it's not Batman. It's "wannabe"-Batman, no matter how good one think it is.
kurvos 1 year ago
@kurvos i disagree, while the animated series or something like Batman: Arkham Asylum is rooted more in the comic books then the Nolanverse movies, he makes great cinematic pieces using the same source material, the tragedy and loss from Bruce losing his parents, it's very poignant, he's a great director and these are great films, i just enjoy them in a different way i do the comics/games/shows
deanobeany 1 year ago
@deanobeany You know, I used to think exactly the same way as you. But then I thought about it a LOT deeper. Yes, the new Batman movies are great. But they are not Batman as we know and love it. It's still just "wannabe" material. And the movies aren't precisely perfect, even though you accept the fact it's not the real-deal Batman. They are too pretentious, for instance. Almost no dialouges in here feels natural. Everyone always know what to say.
kurvos 1 year ago
@deanobeany Trust me - you don't wanna try me. I am one of the biggest Batman fans ever. Not a fan like collecting ridicoulusly much shit; but a fan like trying to understand what Batman is all about. But seriously; if you really want to go indepth about it with me, I suggest you to write a private message to me instead. And one more thing - don't respond at all if you won't be openminded. I promise you I will do my best to be openminded myself. ;)
kurvos 1 year ago
i really did not like this movie. i know you guys are gonna spam me for having an opinion, but i never was a batman fan and i didnt like the movie. dont spam me for this.
lava172 1 year ago
@lava172 "never was a batman fan" i may be wrong here but... you may be watching the wrong youtube vid? i dont like Twilight... i dont look at youtube reviews of those movies dude
deanobeany 1 year ago
Are you Todintheshaddows?
Jarinabigbox 1 year ago
for god sake, can't anyone see, there is not going to be a follow up to the dark knight, at the end they smashed the bat signal and everyone started to hunt him down. plus he shut down the bat cave so he can't use that again.
Adventurerquest 1 year ago
R.I.P
Heath Ledger
1980-2008
West49Dude13 1 year ago
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#1 Batman Arkham Asylum: The Greatest superhero installment ever created!
#2 Batman (1989): Great
#3 The Dark Knight: Really Good
#4 Batman Begins: Good
#5 Batman Forever: Good
#6 Batman Returns: Bad
#7 Batman and Robin: Horrible!
corvettecrazy262 1 year ago
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#1 Batman Arkham Asylum: The Greatest superhero installment ever created!
#2 Batman (1989): Great
#3 The Dark Knight: Really Good
#4 Batman Begins: Good
#5 Batman Forever: Good
#6 Batman Returns: Bad
#7 Batman and Robin: Horrible!
corvettecrazy262 1 year ago
Whoops Forgot 2 Batman 3 villans Hush and Black mask
forrestfire23 1 year ago
Sorry for spoiler but the villan(s) in batman 3 are Harley Quinn, Catwoman (Cant wait to see) The Riddler (Johnny Depp Woo Hoo) and returning Two-Face and possibly (Really hope) The Joker
forrestfire23 1 year ago
@forrestfire23 That is 100% wrong you liar. Cat-Woman is the only one you said that was right. Two-Face died so he can't be in it. The actor who played as Joker also died so he won't be in it. So if Joker isn't in it, then Harley Quinn will definitely not. Christopher Nolan said that Riddler won't be in it. Fuck you you piece of shit!
DippersandSmiles 7 months ago
I think there was a hint. when Fox show Wayne the new suit, Wayne asked "how will it do against dog?" Fox repiles, "It will do fine against cats." i think catwoman is coming.
fortmike34 1 year ago 29
@fortmike34 no i just think that line was a joke with no hidden meaning. My huch is the riddler will be the next villian but who knows
MetallicaMadMan666 1 year ago
@MetallicaMadMan666 i think he is too. but, if you think about it. he has no love interest anymore. i think that they are both coming.
fortmike34 1 year ago
@fortmike34 yea good point about him having no love interest anymore, maybe your right
MetallicaMadMan666 1 year ago
@fortmike34 Whatch the Dark Knight Rises trailer. Catwoman is in it played by Ann Hathoway.
XxMill3rDuty360xX 1 month ago
@XxMill3rDuty360xX i saw it. I CAN'T WAIT!
fortmike34 1 month ago
@fortmike34 yes. the dark knight rises trailer confirmed it. anne hathaway is playing her.
TheArthur7987 1 month ago
@fortmike34 Good call.
IamIndeedLayingAnEgg 3 weeks ago
@IamIndeedLayingAnEgg thanks
fortmike34 3 weeks ago
@fortmike34 and your right
vishifishi01 3 weeks ago
While I prefer the subtlety and gothic comic book feel of the orginal film, there is no denying that this movie rocks. My only gripes are that it lacks some of the comic book feel of any previous films, and Bale's voice was overdone. The dialogue does point out the obvious a little but I guess it can be good or bad depending on what you're in the mood for. If this The Godfather Part II of comic book movies then the 1989 film is Citizen Kane, so both could be the greatest either way.
desotowrong 1 year ago
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The Dark Knight was so bad I wanted to staple gun my eyelids and ears shut!
corvettecrazy262 1 year ago
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The Dark Knight was so bad I wanted to staple gun my eyelids and ears shut!
corvettecrazy262 1 year ago
You shouldn't overthink a movie like this, because its in the superhero genre and there is an almost mythic feel to these types of movies. I do agree with u about what u didn't like, except u forgot one thing: batman's voice sucked!
eckosama 1 year ago
I believe that it's little better than tim burtons batman cause it has more realistic approach, even joker nails it!
deviltrigger50 1 year ago
i luv depth and back story, so much more believable
tallblondnloud 1 year ago
I was one of the few people who didn´t see it in cinema and I bought it on DVD and saw it today and I was overwhelmed.
bladerunner951 1 year ago
There were lots of little things that kinda made the movie lame. Thou I love the movie. Way better than Batman & Robin Or Batman Forever. One major thing that bothers me about this movie was the lack of Jokes via the Joker. Its in his damn name to make gags or some kinda jokes sometimes. Thats my only gripe about the movie really. Other than that totally agree with 4 Batarangs.
Darksmirk00 1 year ago
Joker didnt need a plan for he figured out that other people always had one and used it against them. Basically all that can be said is the joker did one little thing and then the people of gothem took that little thing and gave the joker a huge advatange.
ragingbullkiller 1 year ago
Well everything you said about him actually having a plan and the joker having harvey as his " ace in the hole " is a very good description on your part but yet again you are partly wrong. The joker never really had a plan such as what silvertusk said. All he did was basically go with the flow. Alot of "what if's" still remain in this movie but the true source is what if it never happened?
ragingbullkiller 1 year ago
well, while you may not have liked the bat suit, Christian Bale himself said in an interview that he liked the new one a lot better. it was lighter and more comfortable to him.
but either way, awesome review man!
ASunBurstHein 1 year ago
I like how SWAFshow does these reviews of the Batman movies by using reasons for strength and weaknesses of certian elements. I like how he explains why he likes some aspects but dose not seem to be on a witch hunt for people who like something he does not care for. He is an excellent film critic.
angelicgargoyle 1 year ago 9
@angelicgargoyle Much appreciated, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
SWAGshow 1 year ago
@SWAGshow your welcome.
angelicgargoyle 1 year ago
That's my issue with the movie is as well, the Tumbler is for use in the desert (jumping over friggin bridges!!!) and the sand would render the bike useless. There is no need for it...also I think J just put the 2 bombs on the boats, it doesn't matter who was on it...
dagrimmreepa 1 year ago
You wouldn't exactly put murderers and rapists on a boat with innocent civilians would you!
wedrinkfromtheriver 1 year ago
I really hope that Bullock would be in the next Batman. Other characters... well the Riddler might be too similar to Joker. Two-Face would be logic and it would be cool if we'd get a New Batman Animated Series-style Penguin. You know, like a chubby businessman with a criminal history. Maybe give him just an interest in birds an some finger disfunction.
Winsef 1 year ago
@Winsef You realise Two-Face died in this film? So would it be a ghost two-face?
jamesthemod 1 year ago
About your main criticism: The Joker knew that Batman would try to save Rachel based on how he acted during the interrogation, so he told Batman and Gordon's SWAT team that Rachel was in Harvey's location and that Harvey was in Rachel's location. Rachel's actual location (the location that the Joker said Harvey was being held at) was further from where Harvey was being held, so he was pretty damn sure that Batman would get there before it blew. But yes, it was still a bit of an assumption.
Corneliustheamoeba 1 year ago
You kinda throw shit at the movie.....
StevieGG08 1 year ago
I think Nolan figured that a dual-personality with Two-Face would have been unrealistic and that's why he left it out. I guess its my soft spot for Burton's Batman, but I kind of wished for at least a little something surreal in the mix.
BTW, I didn't like how Scarecrow appeared in the movie for a few minutes. He really wasn't necessary and it felt weird because I thought he was over and done with after the last film.
PTSmash 1 year ago
I think what u r missing, is that Two-face and Harvey can agree on murder because we sense this when he terrorizes the Joker's henchman: he has a edge and might do bad things to achieve something good. Two-Face is not something different: sadly, he's just harvey and that's what batman does not get.
Regenmacher175 2 years ago
Your talking about the Jokers big plan!!!! What big plan? The Joker says in the movie that he doesn't have a plan he just goings with it. That is the Jokers nature.
Budwhite03 2 years ago
i really wish two-face had that dual personality like u said. both batman forever and the dark knight didn't have it. ..so its sad. the story line would be much more interesnting
zadisma 2 years ago
@zadisma he does in Batman Forever he always refers to himself by say 'we' and 'us'
Budwhite03 2 years ago
The Joker says in the film. "Do i look like a guy who has a plan?, i just do things"
silvertusk 2 years ago 11
@silvertusk Dude, the Joker is a friggen liar, if you actually believe anything he says then you are extremely gullible.
SWAGshow 2 years ago 6
what about when Two face points the gun to his face, The Joker didn't care if he was going to blow his head of, he just took chance and it turned in The Jokers favor.
silvertusk 2 years ago
@silvertusk
And if he had actually shot him the entire 3rd part of the movie would've been nothing. Yeah, like that would actually happen.
cb2198 2 years ago
@SWAGshow If you believe anything a FAKE character says in a movie about BATMAN, you are gullible?
What an odd thing to say.
jamesthemod 1 year ago
@SWAGshow Although I agree things were a little too convenient, it seemed to me the Joker was making things up as he went, bribing and tricking people as things went, and kidnapping Harvey and Rachael was a type of backup plan...
SpanishBroomaker 1 year ago
@SWAGshow
Do you think that Batman 3 will be as good as this and Batman Begins since Joker and Heath Ledger aren't in the movie?
noog0909 1 year ago
@SWAGshow Okay, three nitpicks. There are two very logical and plausible reasons for the Batpod. Either Batman figured there could conceivably be a situation in which the Tumbler would blow up (which there was) and it would become necessary to eject or the vehicle already had it as part of the system before he appropriated it. He didn't design it, remember.
Also, this movie is more true to the character than has ever been done in live-action. The Ra's thing from Begins was morally
xJoeEDangerouslyx 7 months ago
@SWAGshow reprehensible and in my opinion tantamount to murder, and I don't believe Batman would EVER do that. EVER. He values life and serves as a sort of moral compass. He had to make an effort not to hit The Joker. And if that's just MY morality, the Batman should always have a more noble morality than others. Why should Batman have less regard for human life than me?
Three, and this one pisses me off, I really hope you don't believe Harvey Dent is alive. How can they bring him back? He's
xJoeEDangerouslyx 7 months ago
@SWAGshow dead. Gone. Not alive anymore. You saw the body like everyone else. They showed Harvey falling to his death on screen and showed the body in detail. It was him, I assure you. Do you really think the world's greatest detective and a 20+ year veteran cop wouldn't be able to tell the difference between someone who's unconscious and a corpse? Why did they show the body? Why would they hold a funeral? Why would Batman and Gordon cover for him like that? Simply put...
This is an ex-villain.
xJoeEDangerouslyx 7 months ago
to me Batman 1989 is still the #1 Batman movie ever fuckin' made.
masterofthewicked89 2 years ago
Well, Batman crashed because he wanted Gorden to capture the Joker. I personally enjoyed the Joker getting tricked for once.
Ramming the Joker by getting off the bike still shows that Batman INTENDED to kill the Joker so that is why he doesn't do that.
pratt123 2 years ago 2
The 'Batman: The Dark Knight' bat-suit is fuckin' awesome!...: What are you talkin' about, Bro???
tthomaselli2 2 years ago
You think it's strange that Batman would have a back-up vehicle ? I think it would be strange if he didn't.
MrGysbertiHodenpyl 2 years ago
Second is the batsuit. Now I see that for Batman Begins and The Dark Knight you mentioned a few times that it feels very real. Not like a comic book movie at all. Well, that's the whole point. Everything about this movie is practicality. The tumbler with its armor and tank-like structure is much more practical that let's say a Batmobile that sudden cocoons itself in a shield. Same with the Batsuit being a vest. It's about functionality. It's not eyecandy. I think you should have mentioned that.
Arzarni 2 years ago
I just finished watching all of your batman movie reviews. And there's two things that I'd like to share.
First of all, I agree with what you said about joker's elaborate plan. There's just too much left to chance and it seems improbable that everything will fall into place just the way he had planned it. You mentioned only two or three things about what could have gone wrong. I could think of more.
Arzarni 2 years ago
as far as no showing for the next villian. i really do believe they were going to do right by all batman fans. i mean unlike in the original u cant just kill off joker after one movie. thats his arch-enimy. i mean you need sabertooth to have a wolverine and you need a joker to have batman as simple as that. i do hope though they do bring back 2face. i believe he is the second best batman villian and to loose the top 2 in one film would be quit sad. but rumors have said it will b riddler.
naw3412 2 years ago
actually you don't need sabertooth to have a wolverine..................... comics own you.... that's like saying spider man is no good without the green goblin.
bluntedelement 2 years ago
now there is some real stretches. say batman does go out to try to kill the joker. the joker wasnt going to move. he was always looking for batman in some way some how to kill him as it was established at the end when it wouldnt have been a batman murder but the lack of help had he let joker plumit to his death. so building a character into that mode of mind you cant do that bc we all wouldve expected him not to move. them boom jokers dead and the movies over since there was no 2face at the time
naw3412 2 years ago
although i do agree that the joker did have a very detailed plan i feel that he knew before hand most of what was going on. the joker in this film was excellent at reading people emotionally and i think he knew exactly what batman was going to do. he knew batman loved rachel due to the party the night at the interim Wayne Manor. he just had a good schedule to and plan. although i do agree it can be a bit of a stretch in some parts. i mean say that cop doesnt n no call is made.
naw3412 2 years ago
...to always comes without a scrach after fighting.Esspecialy if you are pursuing someone.You need to have backup vehicle just in case.
Anyway If you get more information about Joker you will see that he is not always having everything calculated.He always improvises, or comes up with new par of his general master plan.Even if it looks like House of Cards, so what? He is a Joker, not Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars who had everything planned from very start.
jebazeclisicu 2 years ago
I agree with post bellow.I do belive that Harvy Dent was not Joker's "Ace in the Hole" from very start of his master plan.I mean he did planed to kill him.Again when Dent lived trough his tragedy, becaming Two Face Joker took best from situation.Sure Joker had a big plan, but it is clear to people that Joker always improvise both in adaptions and comics.
Second, I dont find Batmans bike like escape pod bugging because when you are fighting dangerous villians you cant expect your vehicle...
jebazeclisicu 2 years ago
This may simply be Devil's Advocate arguments, as I do see where you're coming from, but 1) Dent only became Joker's "Ace in the Hole" after he became Two Face. It can remain consistent with Joker's character that he initially only intended to see what would happen between if they choose to save Rachel or Dent, and only after Harvey survived did Joker hatch his plan to "unleash" Two Face.
ScreenUrchin 2 years ago
@ScreenUrchin
2) Joker didn't have to know that they would separate the civilians from the convicts on the boats. The point was just that one group would elect to blow up the others to save themselves, regardless who they were. He was simply trying to show their corruptibility, not necessarily to break it down to demographics.
ScreenUrchin 2 years ago
@ScreenUrchin
3) Saying that Batman wouldn't be killing The Joker if he hurled his bike at him in a moralistic sense is like saying that whole "I'm gonna swing my arms and if you get in the way, it's your fault" kinda argument. The only real question is why he charged at him like that if he was only going to bail at the last second? What was he expecting Joker would do?
ScreenUrchin 2 years ago
I don't concur with your critic of Joker and his plans. Because in varois DC Series. (Don't know the comics) Joker has always been portraied as an outstanding genius. Mad yes, but a genius still a man virtually capable of everything. And I think thats what the wanted to show. A mad mans genius.
And the convient gimmicks. It's based on a funded paranoia. Of a person whose aware that one can't be prepared for everything and still tries. And yeah BM is more of a soldier in the movies than in the
catssweet 2 years ago
varius DC Series (and others). But it's more fitting to the more realistic tune of the films. I liked the film and with any luck we get a third as well.
catssweet 2 years ago
Harvey and Rachel were in the same building!!!!! And do you really think they would put convicts with ordinary citizens?! duh the point of the 'convenient' gadgets is that they are convenient!! and the suit was great, not cartoony, but it was serious...
xxEvilOrgasmxx 2 years ago
I think the reason that they chose that batman wouldnt kill the joker with the batpod was that the movie would be shorter, and just think of the joker die hat way.. That would look kinda stupid. I think that this is the best batman movie ever, but thats my opinion
TheSnase 2 years ago
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this movie was awesome
mitchelscott 2 years ago
Christian Bale took everything away from both Bruce and Batman,he used to be the best Batman and the best Bruce [Yes Keaton had a better voice but Bale had a better script]
But then Dark Knight turned Gordon,Batman,and Dent into villains who just escalated Jokers experiements and that voice,I could no longer tell which side he was on
One things for certain even George Clooney did a better job
Warriorcats64 2 years ago
Swag think of this in real life would you put murderers and theifs with regular people
mariofan105 2 years ago
Wouldn't the Joker have done his "social experiment" Regardless of who was on the boat?
rokh331 2 years ago
I thought Batman's scene with Ra's Al Ghul was very out of character -- through Batman Begins, he's just Bruce Wayne and it all seems to be vengeance, not vigilantism. I think he came into his character much better in TDK, more Batman wearing the mask of Bruce Wayne, and Batman's one rule is not to kill. You can't say that not doing anything when someone's about to die follows this; that means the Joker never killed Rachel. It was the explosives! She just didn't get out!
Bealocwealm 2 years ago
Good or bad, depending on tastes, and obviously the b.o. shows that alot think its good. Nolan has bridged the gap(somewhat) from Burton's operatic tragedy of Batman and the 'realness' of being BM. Sometimes I think in it he loses the mystery and eeriness of BM, but nothing like Val/George's public figure BM. I like the new BM's, no doubt, but there's just a little something missing, he does come off a bit too much like a well-funded vigilante, but it works in many other ways. No Shumaker? GREAT
TheDissident77 2 years ago
Vicki Vale, tho she worked for BM89, was just a pretty face for the 2 stars to 'use'. You're right about him 'givin up the mantle' but as much as I like Nolan/Bale's BM, I still the charac. they are puttin out really, at its core, what they are showing isn't much differ. than Punisher. Family killed wants revenge. Yes I know the story is differ. but the underlying currents are the same. Again the chaos, duality and pathos. But its just my opinion. As long as Shumacher isnt involved I'm happy
TheDissident77 2 years ago
I cheered when Rachel died i HATE her. I like to see Vicky Vale in the next one.
DCMarvelComics 2 years ago
...a sad, lonely person. An empty shell of a person and B-man is all he has. Bale's Bruce is an angry rich guy. Not the same. Bale's Bruce 'rejoice's' in being Batman. Keaton's is depressed and sad, he doesn't 'rejoice' in Batman, he hates it but knows he's nothing w/o it. W/o it he would drink himself to death. Keaton's realizes this insanity is the only thing keeping him alive, Bale's is the extreme version of joining a support group. B-man is human, so he CAN'T be square-jawed like s-man.
TheDissident77 2 years ago
Bale didnt rejoice in being Batman at all, the whole point of TDK is that he's looking for a way out, thats what Harvey Dent's contribution to this storyline is. Also this is supposed to be Batman's early years, he may not have become insane yet as he would have been in the Keaton Batman films where he was a more seasoned Batman in that timeline.
Mikez4 2 years ago
Good reviews. Keaton had one thing over the new movies, he was able to capture the emotional pathos of being Batman. The split of not wanting to be Batman but knowing he has to be Batman. Bale hasn't done that yet. Bale plays Batman as a well-funded secret agent man, too cocky in why he's doing it. Keaton played it as depressed self-absorbed vigilante, not sure why he's doing it but knows he must, has to to be 'sane'. That's the one thing Keaton has over all the rest. Batman/Bruce is really....
TheDissident77 2 years ago
SWAGShow I think how you describe Katie Holmes' character would waaay better describe Heath Ledger's Joker. Plus you say you like backstory but yet you aren't bothered by the lack of backstory for Joker and you fail to mention the hypocrisy with how Joker has this huge plan yet he claims to hate plans
I liked Katie Holmes character much better because she had spine rather than dull sarcasm and death.
I agree with you on Eckhart though.But I still liked Batman Begins overall more
Warriorcats64 2 years ago
Saw it on opening night, loved it & wish I can go back in time to re-live everything.: :) .
tthomaselli2 2 years ago 10
Great movie but Danny Elfman's theme will always be the best to me.
ProZakck 2 years ago
I love how you didn't just come out and compare the '89 movie to The Dark Knight. Naturally, since the main villains are the same base character, people are going to compare them. But when I ask people what they thought about The Dark Knight and the first thing they say is that it was better than the first, it kind of discredits them right there. The two movies are extremely different in style, plot, and themes that it doesn't make sense to outright say one was completely better or worse.
ProZakck 2 years ago
I agree, it's not fair to say Heath Ledgers Joker was better than Jack Nicholson's.I think both performances were equally good, the only difference is Jack Nicholson's Joker is interpreted out of the mind and world of Tim Burton, Heath Ledgers in the world of a different director. Honestly I think if Jack Nicholson played that role in the Dark Knight at Heath Ledger's age today he would have done just as good a preformance.
RobertHSengstacke 2 years ago
Yeah, we'll never know. I'm perfectly happy with having two amazing interpretations of an incredibly well established character.
ProZakck 2 years ago
@RobertHSengstacke I agree, I think a younger jack would have been great in dark knight as well.
rcw0388 2 years ago
see I don't know about that. Because when you watch Batman 89 you realize you are watching Jack Nicholson in makeup. He didn't really lose himself in that role, he played the Joker as Jack Nicholson. Granted I love batman 89, and loved the joker. But I think what Heath created goes beyond what Jack could have done. I'm not saying he's a better actor, it's just sometimes you get lucky and cast the perfect person for the part. The whole time you watch TDK you never think hey that's heath ledger.
TenDollarTicket 2 years ago
You think hey it's the joker. When you watch batman 89 you are well aware of the actor playing the joker. That's just my oppinion though. I just hate it when people get into heated arguments about whose better. People have different tastes, like I hated batman returns because I don't think it's a batman movie, it's more of a Tim Burton movie with characters from the Batman comics.
TenDollarTicket 2 years ago
i loove how they went from a black harvey dent to a white one lol
Kimbo7130 2 years ago
haha I thought that the first time I saw the trailer with Aaron Eckhart in it!
ProZakck 2 years ago
i really think Harley Quinn should be in the next one
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michagankid123 2 years ago
riddler ,catwomen ,harley Quinn and The peguinare the likely villins for the next batman movie, shadow of the bat. And harley's face will look like the joker's wife( the dark knight joker) catwomen will look like she's a spandext supermodle Riddler will look like he did in the batman anamatied searis without the pepple mask. Can't say much about penguin Sorry :(
michagankid123 2 years ago
Great film, really liked all your reviews on the Batman films aswell :) Are you reviewing the upcoming Game?
TenaciousMB 2 years ago
He also switched the locations of Dent and Rachel, knowing that Batman would intially go after Rachel, he already revealed earlier that he knew about him and Dent's "little bunnie", so he cleverly switched them so that his "ace in the hole" would live, also knowing that Dent would be a torn down man after virtually listening to the love of his life die.
As Gordon said, "he took the best of us and tore him down", and that's exactly what he did. Also, do you like Batman(1989) better, or TDK?
jimmypopper 2 years ago
I thought the plan was ingenious. Now, you do bring up some good points about the joker's plan, and the flaws that could have POTENTIALLY been exposed, but c'mon. There was going to be a 90% chance that Batman would have gotten to Dent in time, he is after all batman, especially since the Joker was timing the whole process in the MCU, and made sure he told him at the right time.
jimmypopper 2 years ago
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jimmypopper 2 years ago
The whole 'I won't kill but I won't save you either' thing doesn't apply to the Batpod, because that would have been out of his own deliberate action. In Batman Begins, the whole train scenario wasn't a deliberate action and Batman didn't have control over the train, so that works, but not with the Batpod. Same thing with the Joker ending, he had to save Joker because otherwise his death would have been a deliberate action.
ominousfeeling23 2 years ago
Good review.:) But I got some points - Harvey Dent died in the movie, so he can't come back. And the Joker is a mysterious and chancing villain, which makes his plans interesting to me. Also, the new batsuit is to make it plausible how he upgrades it. You need to be able to appreciate realism to understand that particular thing of this movie. And I love it for that. This is in my opinion the best movie ever made.
kurvos 2 years ago
i think this is the best batman movie ever!!!
emoviebuff87 2 years ago 12
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i HATED the dark knight, 1. batman, seriously, get a better batman who knows how to ACT, and doesn't try to bring the though that he has split personalities, 2. the joker, in the cartoons, comics, all that good stuff from my childhood, he didn't wear make up...besides the lipstick, his skin was bleached white, meaning he was unable to disguise himself without the props of a mask or something....so wtf? they ruined my favorite super hero. ._.
PervyNerdy 2 years ago
fuc u dark knight is awesome
thefallenwingz 2 years ago 3
ur a dumbass
henrypwns 2 years ago
well buhuhu
go cry somewere else.
althou i do agree about the fact
that Christian Bale wasn't so good.
but come on
you can't say anything bad about Ledgers
performance.
It was fucking brilliant. (w
areGOLDEN 2 years ago
will you review Star Trek & Night at the Museum 2 PLZ!!!!!!!
dugas666 2 years ago
i agree with everything you said except for the hint for the next villain. anyhow, great review. thanks
aaarsix 2 years ago 3
Swag, you are over-thinking this. The Joker doesn't need a rhyme or reason to do anything, he even says it himself. He just does things. He knew that Batman would try to save Rachel, so if he gave Rachel Harvey's location then Dent would be saved instead. That is why he had the Oil Drums in the base. THe Joker knows what people are like, but he pretty much makes it up when the pieces fall into place. He is illogical, and that is how he is in the comic book.
edzoologist 2 years ago 2
as a huge batman fan myself, you were talkin bout the jokers plan, well of course its guna be ridiculously crazy come on look at who the villian is..it is the joker. nothing he does ever makes sense, the only thing i did not like about this movie is they never told you how the joker became who he is in the moive, unlike the orignal batman where they showed how he became the joker, i think it would of made it better just so then all those who never seen it will be able to make sense out of it.(?)
jokerburk08 2 years ago
Well he became the Joker for one reason, he went insane and put on clown makeup. All of this is more for Batman fans, we all know he is crime lord Jack NapierAKA the Red Hood and Batman fights him in a chemical plant and turns him into the Joker(and drives him insane). But that wasn't going to fly for the over-realistic tone of this film. You get it?
edzoologist 2 years ago
There were small hints at the next villian actually. Cats, i.e catwoman, had a brief reference which opens that up to interpretation, and the name of the guy Harvey Dent almost shot is the same name of the character who was the Mad Hatter in the comics. Someone also mentioned the penguin in an interview after the movie was released. But who knows. Nolan hasn`t even confirmed that he`ll do the next movie.
jmattbassplaya90 2 years ago
Jokers plan needed alot of things to go right, right? Harvey was his ace in the hole, right? Jokers crazy and he went all in with all his hopes on the river, if it was a texas hold em game of course. But it was all fluke and it be pretty dumb but comedic if he got everything wrong.
Ab3rZoMbiE 2 years ago
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my complaints about ur review is is joker new batman would get there on time cuz of how much he cared for ratchel and cuz hes the motherplippin batman and the batpod coming out was amazing!! he didnt know it would happen but if he had a program that would tell him what state his vehicle was in and wether he should leave kinda calls for a quick escape i did agree about him swerving but i disagreed about aaron eckhart i thought he was amazing overall i say easily the best batman movie yet
windsheildwiper 2 years ago
dude 2-face died in the movie
SpidermanVenom2099 2 years ago
you never know if he will come back....stuff like that always happens lol...prob not though people criticize movies to much now. They cant make a villain come back to life guess....because everyone would freak out lol.
AddictiveGames 2 years ago
about 6:14, the bat pod
it also just so happened that the parts of the bat pod were in places that DIDNT get hit by a rocket
quilesboy 2 years ago
There's one thing that I really hate about both batman movies, Christian Bale's voice as batman. It's just awful, especcialy when I think about Kevin Conroy as batman from the animated series. Now that's a great voice.
Ze0do0Gas 2 years ago
I havn't seen the animated series enough to know about Conroy, but i have to agree with you about Bale - This is my brother's favorite movie and even he agrees this voice was too over done, all wrong.
jonescalypso 2 years ago
Fortunately they didn't pick up Bale to do Batman's voice in "Arkham Asylum"
Ze0do0Gas 2 years ago
Batman Begins ended with the lead cop guy is stating that a new bad guy just committed robbery at a bank. The Dark Knight began when that robbery took place. HAHAHA, or maybe it was a year later, i dont know
Ab3rZoMbiE 2 years ago