Victoria Line train stopping with emergency braking

[charlie2268]

I was expecting a huge explosion with sparks and everything! :(

[hstadam1994]

I use the Victoria line all the time and that allways use to happen on the 1967 Stock!

[LordGeorgeRodney]

Fake sound put in. I have heard emergency brakes going and sounds nothing like the terror you described!

[omardude39]

@LordGeorgeRodney wow, another cry of "fake". Do your homework.

[TheMADBOYCEY]

londoner here and that is a normal stop... i use the victoria line everyday to get to work

[omardude39]

@TheMADBOYCEY no? They sound *nothing* like that.

[1madaboutguitar]

FAKE

[Mrpepsi320]

been there

[meadstuart]

these trains are automatic. the driver only opens and shuts the doors and start it moving.

[2001videoman]

@meadstuart That's an easy job!!!

[LondonMyFirstLove]

Nice e break

drifting away

[koppadasao]

That was a SPAD

[CardboardStudio]

That's how the train always stops..? I dunno too much about trains so can someone tell me how this works.

[MetlineA62]

That goes to show that conventional trains (A Stock) and electro-pneumatic breaking is better.

[georgieporge2]

Of all the years I've been using the tube I've heard this so many times. Never thought to question it. It's just one of those noises that goes with the tube.

[tubeinfoboy123]

this happened to me and my girlfriend two days ago at tottenham hale station she screamed really loud and thought the train derailed and crashed but she made a scene instead.

[ChrisCooper312]

Overrunning is often caused by problems with the rheostatic brake, especially when blending in the air brakes, which can lead to over-runs, so drivers have to use the emergency brake to stop in time. Old resistor controlled rheostatic brakes can be very difficult to get a good stop with. I've driven trams with them before where the first couple of brake notches will do nothing, then the next will pretty much put you through the windscreen.

[Ryan199403]

@ChrisCooper312

I was wondering do you know what sort of motor's these trains use? e.g 1972 mkII?

[bronzeonion]

I always see the drivers gettin ready for somthing like this to happen, now when their entering a station the driver stands up crosses over to the secondmans side of the can and keep his hand on the emergency brake lever.

[MrSamuel500]

16:00 Very Noisy

[BVEguy]

ATO = Automatic Train Operation.

The L train in NYC overruns the station too, sometimes. And it uses ATO

[bvestationfan]

when that happens it just skip stops

[X46RAPTOR]

Having been on both I can safely say the NYC subway is simply a much, much better system then the london underground.

[herenthere]

well, the same thing happened with the L train when it was first brought into ATO...but they've since been investigating and correcting the problem. nothing a little extra programming won't fix.

[X46RAPTOR]

Yes, but I live in this country and trust me a little extra programming will never happen. The entire country is overrun and bureaucratic to unforeseen levels.

[adal0323]

@X46RAPTOR - the NYC system would be better, quite frankly any system would be better...but the majority of the underground is old. upgrades are happening in the background...take for example the central line. currently running 29trains per hour and after a power upgrade in 2011 they will run 33 trains per hour. central line fleet of 85 trains is also half way through a £150 million upgrade of the bogies and kit underneath the train.

[dtfageet]

@BVEguy i'll overrun ur ass with no breaks

[RICSHAI]

The Moorgate device was introduced as standard on all trains and at all stations after the terrible disaster at Morrgate in 1974 on the Northern Line - where the driver excelerated on entering the station crashing into a blind tunnel wall killing 44 people and making it the worst accident to date on the London Underground Network.

[wangtong04]

I wish they were manually driven!

[Edwiness]

So you wish the frequency and the speed of the Victoria line is lower?

[LondonTransportFan69]

Yes, Edwiness is quite right. Not only that but the trains would not be allowed to do the normal 45mph

[GWRtom]

sadly due to the incident in the 70s i think it was when a driver crashed on the V line they proubely will never use manaul stock on the vic again

[mirabilo]

They do that all the fucking time. Big deal!

[OPO535160]

Dont knw what Victoria Line train uve been on but its obviously one in ur own world not the real one

[mirabilo]

definitely recall the tube trains doing this all the time. Do you see anyone on the platform freaking out? No, because it's nothing out of the ordinary.

[LondonTransportFan69]

On the Victoria line this has become more common recently. But remember this video was taken back in 2007 when this was still quite rare

[chas015]

coulda been worse...might of missed the station completely lol

[ansettaddict123]

haha:) lol

[jackieliem2007]

Tell the driver to learn from BVE before try the real one !

[gertgertgert18]

die trein gebruikt nood rem om station te halen

[spage1970]

Kind of an electronic Oh shit!

[aristoincurate]

lol!!

[jakethejuj56]

how did you know this was gonna happen?

[AppleOranges12]

I don't. I was just filming trains like I normally do and it happened. However, these brake applications are more common as you think.

[CenturyGoth18]

@AppleOranges12 true! look at those people in the train @ 0:20, like nothing happensXD

[taylorjsj]

@AppleOranges12 it happens every time i go on the vic (when the 67s were on service)

[jakethejuj56]

its just like the drivers saying- doodoodoo hmmm its not stopping enough!come on stop stop!god dam it stoooop!...chshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh finaly!lol

[Victorialine67]

hmm i dont think the passengers would have been happy the normal brake setting throws you about imagine some random guy flying down from one end of the carrage to the other LOL!

5 stars!!!

[bradleigh10]

LMAO!

[Victorialine67]

Thanks

[jakethejuj56]

i dont get it it looks normal but not the noise

[metadyneman]

That's not an emergency application! It's merely the ATO applying the brake harder so the train stops in the right place. Just imagine the uproar if ATO caused a SPAD! (Signal Passed At Danger!). Nice video but the heading is wrong

[ZRijji1984]

Its not wrong its actually correct thats the sound of the emergency EP and Westinghouse brakes applying together aka emergency brake

[wiv098]

what station is this? is it Victoria station?

[AppleOranges12]

Highbury & Islington

[kaiyan246]

@wiv098 there is no way that is victoria station next station i guess is seven sisters

[ThraxUK]

I've always wondered what that noise was when the tube does that. Now I know, nice one :)

[TrainDoors4Me]

Wow!

Cool video! I never see a thing like this.

Thanks for adding!

[cameronmac2000]

the 67 stock are past it, they are way to old too continue such an intense service and carry on with these brake applications just wearing out the trains systems

[C20rules]

It looks pretty funny when riding the trains :-) but the emergency brakes probably lock up the wheels and that will wear out the wheels and track really fast

[GWRtom]

indeed it is funny but as said it does damage the braking equickment and wheel tyres

[ncodrington]

tyres? on a train lol?

[train672]

Yup, trains do have 'tyers' not the sort you see on cars though. They are metal 'tyres' in other words a metal outer rim of the whel and are replaced when they get worn. This saves the whole wheel having to be replaced. In an Emergency the wheels stop very quickly and if the train is still moving when the wheels haves stopped, the tyre will have flat parts which results in a bumpr ride. Hence the 'tyres' need to be replaced. Perhaps 'outer rim' would be a better term.

[Edwiness]

Funny that the 1995 Stock are less reliable than "past it" trains like the 67TS and A Stock.

[cameronmac2000]

edwiness ya know who is to blame, tubelines stupid private company

[Edwiness]

Then how come the even more incompetent metronet maintanED the 67TS and A Stock?

[cameronmac2000]

the 67 stock are past it, they are way to old too continue such an intense service and carry on with these brake applications just wearing out the trains systems

[C20rules]

Nice stop - it will not shorten the braking distance much when applied that late - but it shud be a funny jerk inside the cars anyway :-)

[kurtleaver]

dis isnt using emergentsy brakes!

[djscraig1]

How do you know it was emergency braking? Is it because it stopped hard?

[railwayperson]

acctually that is unlikley to be emergency braking because those trains are automatic , it may just have been an odd noise that trains sometimes make

[AppleOranges12]

It is. That grunting noise is the sound of air in the braking system being dumped as the train is thrown into emergency. I've actually seen/heard the sound made when the train operator swung the traction brake controller to the braking position. I might have a video somewhere showing the train op swinging the handle to the emergency brake position and the sound the train produced that moment. If the train op sits on the right, he will always have his hand on the emergency brake lever.

[AppleOranges12]

Heres a pic of the train op having his hand on the red emergency brake lever. (Remove space and replace [dot] with .

world [dot] nycsubway [dot] org/perl/show?23669

[railwayperson]

why would he have been driving it manually?

[AppleOranges12]

He isnt. Hes preparing to put the train into emergency if the train is about to overrun the stop marker.

This should hopefully answer everything (post #10)

districtdave [dot] proboards39 [dot] com/index.cgi?board=victoria&a­ction=display&thread=116940975­3

[AppleOranges12]

Edit: Get rid of the space between the 5 and 3 at the last part of the link, youtube wouldnt let me post it without the space for some weird reason.

[railwayperson]

ok, that answers all my questions

[klote2314]

@AppleOranges12 not emergancy break this is how they always brake!

[ZRijji1984]

Am not quite sure what you mean by the "braking system being dumped" but whats exactly happening is that the air holding the brakes off is being forced into the brake cylinders thus applying the brake blocks onto the wheel stopping the train.

[infrared567]

kl videos, keep making more

[perrymak2000]

cool~

that's "efficient" @o@

[Edwiness]

I don't know where an earth my post has gone, I presume it's been deleted, probably by the poster, never thought you could do that. Anyway, I like the fact that when a train breaks harshly you get a sense that you're going somewhere, it's the same when a train enters a station really fast, or if the journey is real bumpy!

[Edwiness]

I love it when it does that... it gives the experience a sense of... hurried efficiency.