God doesn't make suffering. When Adam ate that fruit he damned the whole human race unless you accept the Lord Jesus Christ. There is more proof of Jesus living than proof George Washington ever existing! If there were no God there would be no atheists.
@nikesk8er10 Excuse my langauge, but bullshit! Why did God make the apple tree where Adam was? Why did he not stop the snake when it was as crafty as the Bible claims? Why is it just to punish the child for the crimes of the father? Proof of Jesus? Like what? One book that says he does? If God didn't exist, there wouldn't be atheists. Correct. No one would have to waste time explaining to people that their imaginary friend does not exist. When you don't think, it is easy to say crap like this.
Ok seriously dude when hitler died he was a Christian gods plan is to save just 1 man.in a book of the bible it says that the angels will rejoice with singing and praise for 1 man that has repented of his sins.... So explain it better cause you making yourself look very stupid.
What if there were multiple universes? What if God being infinite love needed every possible creature to exist in order to love it, including a universe where Hitler survives by 3 random chances and 60 million jews die and one where Hitler never even makes a name for himself? Your angst seems to be against an all loving God who allows/plans suffering.
Thumbs up if all Atheists left the Universe the world would be in peril with no scientific studies or anyone Intelligent left... Coming from a 12 year old good day.
Like with the baseball thing. As I understand it, you're not even supposed to pray for stuff like winning, and that "talking" to God is more or less asking for spiritual things, like forgiveness, or patience. Additionally, the man dieing from the heart attack... that's covered in the book of Job. It's basically that God is always right and when something bad happens it's because he's planning to do something good with it. It's frustrating. D:
Hey, you should look into the theory that our universe is entirely a computer simulation. It's supported by science(though not proven) and creates a need for a creator of sorts(a programmer). I'd like to hear your take on it. I can't remember the exact name of the theory, but I read an essay on it a few months back. It sounds outlandish but it's fairly intriguing.
SCIENCE LIES!!!! THE WORLD IS FLAT@@@@@ THERE IS NO UNIVERSE ONLY UNLIMITED FLAT LAND! RELIGION FOR LIFE!!!!! GOD MADE THIS COMPUTER I AM USING TO TYPE THIS STUPID COMMENT FUCK SCIENCE! (sarcasm)
god will never reveal himself to you scientists so scientists give it up for looking for god he will never reveal himself to you no matter how hard you try it won't happen til judgement day comes then he will reveal himself he will come down from the clouds and then everyone one will see god and mourn it said it the bible in revelation
Just saw the movie Inception with DiCaprio.Started off so well,i was visibly tired by 3/4 and then I rallied in the last 10 minutes of a 2 and bit hour movie. Unfortunately the movie really got terrible when it tried to make up a twisty story half way through but otherwise ok. ps- Sorry Leonard Molten....:)
The existance of god, or non-existance of god has nothing to do with mankind's stupid little attempt to figure it out. Is it possible god exists, of course... is it possible god doesnt exist, of course. If there is a god that created the universe then how can any group of glorified apes hope to understand his/its motives? And yet every religion claims to. Die-hard athiesm is just as pointless in claiming god cannot exist. How about, we just... don't... fucking... know, and leave it at that?
@SolRosenberg84 Maybe every athiest you've met does, but I have met some that are somehow absolutely certain that it is not possible. That is why I said "die-hard", not all of them are the same.
@Damienf77 there's actually a study that has been done that correlates the religiosity of society and it's societal health factors i.e. abortion, divorce, teenage pregnancies, etc. There's always strong negative health factors when society becomes more religious. That's one of the reasons why I'm an outspoken atheist. I suggest you do the same if you actually care about society.
Maybe the negative things are Gods will at times. It is better for you to perish physically than to spend eternity in hell. Sometimes it takes a life changing situation for someone to repent. Also, this is all a consequence of sin. You don't understand sin, so of course it sounds ridiculous to you. A thing I notice in every atheists video is the arrogance, mockery, negativity, and condescending manner. It's expected though because of sin. Luke 13:1-4
If we know that there is an uncertainty to reality, that it is infact a certainty in itself. Just because we don't understand it doesn't change the fact that things are certain.
@SolRosenberg84 See here where you go wrong.. LOL Sound familiar? I know, they always response with so much knowledge, like they didn't really think about our argument. It almost seems like we could go on telling these Theist how wrong they are, over and over, but they'll never even start to see how we see their side so clearly, from a multi view of religions too.. LOL I'm a Happy Atheist
I agree with you but if you want to get through to theists you dont want to do the Christian voice. As much as you hate it when somebody does an `atheist voice´, youve lost most Christians as soon as you start doing the voice.
Kidding me? Hitler was the number 4 indivual in known world history that were the closer to keep gods rules in the bible. Only beaten by some mythological mass murderer in the old testament, Henry O'Brionell the crusader knight of Jerusalem, and some skitzophren doctor that got arrested for the sterilization and mass murder of feminists and homosexualls in Illunois in the late 70's (only counting ACTUALLY PROVEN TO BE TRUE people) It's not like "gods rules" pick NICE people. "Gods plan". Ha!
You make a good point, and it is also wise that you didn't rule out God of his existence like so many people do. Free will is human capability being exercised; the same goes for all species. To paint a good event with God and the bad to the devil, or God, is ignorance. This does not rule out God from existence.
you are both worthless - you will never accomplish anything in your worthless life :)
you are both uneducated - you are so gullible you believe in god! LOL!
you are both pussies - you are too scared to ever accept reality and you are even scared of things that do not exist - demons and hell! LOL! you fucking coward :)
there is no god, you worthless, uneducated pussy :) hehe :)
Everything that happens on earth is god`s will, because if it was not his will, the Allmighty would have intervened. Conclusion either we are all puppets, or there is no god.
yeah god allowed hitler to kill all those ppls to save me. im very important. also ive heard that hitlers mother almost aborted him but changed her mind.. interesting
First of all, God gives man free will. If man was obedient to God and obeyed the commandments, there would be true peace on earth. Think of it: Thou shalt not murder, Thou shalt not steal, etc.
As for Hitler: the German people started worshipping Hitler as God. Instead of focusing on the only who can truly give peace they started worshipping Hitler. It was the German people who gave Hitler control overthem to do these horrible things.
1. The Old Testament contains numerous endorsements of infanticide, homicide, slavery, torture, etc. Why are you cherry-picking from the Old Testament?
2. The Golden Rule ("Thou shalt not kill", etc.) was known for centuries in other cultures before the emergence of Judaism.
3. Hitler was Roman Catholic. In "Mein Kampf" he explicitly refers to Jewish killing Jesus as one justification for the persecution of Jews.
Please don't talk about things you don't understand, it really gets the all knowing God riled.
Slavery isn't a bad thing in the Bibles context, you do realise it condemns enslaving anybody you choose? You can't just go an enslave an innocent man. Slavehood was practically forcing a criminal into public service.
You do realise there's a law saying that slaves are allowed to escape without any punishment and without being forced to go back?
@TheColaGoodfellow OH! So because they can't just enslave random Joe ( even though a few probably did), and because if someone could escape, there no consequences ( maybe an awkward meeting), Slavery is still right? You are a lost idiot. Bible also tells you HOW to beat your slaves, and how to own them forever.
@TheColaGoodfellow It also says that If the slaves gets married under you, and leaves, he can't take his wife, that's why he "agrees" to stay forever. So let me g et this straight... you just stated the oblivious which is the the Bible tells you that you can beat your slave. It also says how to. Tell me how your happy little Biblical slavery is justified... Your stupidity shines like El Dorado.
OK then, next time someone does something wrong, you think it's wrong to punish them. Freedom is freedom afterall. Get rid of the jails, that's apparantly abusing basic human rights. Nobody should fight in wars, even if the opposing country is immoral, you're not meant to injure people who have done wrong.
When you're the President I'll make sure we send all criminals to your country, where they all go free and unpunished for their crimes.
So you think that people who committed the "crime" of not being Jewish deserved to be SLAVES? are you an idiot? (yes.) "Criminals" as you call them, are still people, ans still deserve rights. YOU are a brainwashed hap and really need to look outside of the box... REALLY...
You do realise there were many people who weren't Jewish that didn't get captured as slaves? People who they chose not to attack because they treated the Jews kindly? People were made slaves usually because they owed someone money or because they had done wrong (this includes cities that the Jews attacked).
Slaves had the right to run away and the right to live. However, they didn't have the right to not get beaten for doing wrong.
If I was a slave and I didn't do what I was told, and If I was a slave for doing wrong in the first place, I would understand if my master hit me or even beat me to a pulp.
However if I was unjustly enslaved, then the Bible has a problem with that and so would I.
@TheColaGoodfellow Show me where the Bible says You can only accept slaves for debt and wrongs.
You are a disgrace of a human being... ya know that? You are basically saying that you can't, and DON'T think for yourself... you are a horrible person and you worship a 2,000 year old book written by rapists and translated by corrupted people in positions of power... wow...
I have thought for myself, you just think you know everything, like all arrogent atheists do. And you're too weak to be able to face the consequences of your actions when you do wrong.
I'm a disgrace? You're disgrace, because all of this crap you have spewed is all because the Bible contains miracles, and that's it. Otherwise you would have no motivation to condemn these people whilst ignoring the law of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth".
Umm.. that law is not from the Bible, it's from far before then.
-You think for yourself by showing a quote from someone else... brilliant.
- Glad to know that God gave you the ability to know EVERYTHING that I think based of off an argument about the fact that slavery is wrong...
- Glad to know that you know why I dislike the Bible... It CAN"T possibly be because of the false morals, pseudo-science, and the morons like you who follow it, it HAS to be the bullshit (CONT)
I left the Bible box and realised that I left logic inside.
Do your research, the books in the Bible were wrote in different periods of time (up until the New testament). The things they say in the Bible destroy the idea of them wanted monetary gain or earthly power.
council of nicea built the fucking Bible, and they changed it... DO YOUR GODDAMN RESEARCH! and seriously, read the King James Bible, it is wrong o many levels.
The Vatican isn't Christianity, and it can't control the many people who don't partain to catholic belief. If we're going to assume the entire bible is a conspiracy, then why don't you do that about anything else?
Why isn't evolution and a billion year old universe one big conspiracy or hoax made up by the government to scare terrorists from blowing themselves up in the name of God?
I'm going to keep re-quoting that scripture until you shut up and accept that the Old testament constantly refers to it, and therefore everything which occured in the Bible results from it.
The Bible was mashed into one Book by a religious council, they rejected 16 gospels, and several other books that are referenced by books that got in, they changed the name of a foreign lord to make him sound worse, and read the King James bible, that thing is fucked up.
The slave could stay until his wife is allowed to go free, simple as, you need to practcie your lateral thinking skills because when it comes to the Bible you fail at it.
This is a fundamental flaw in theistic thinking, that a life without a deity is sadder or less satisfying than one with one. You have to actually reduce it to the fundaments of why you feel a deity makes your life more enriched. Basic psychology says that dependence on what is deemed as a reliable source of comfort is desirable than one with a lack of dependence. Similar to drug addiction.
I for one would rather remain clear headed and thinking, rather than addicted to a source of comfort.
i believe in God always will. If God doesn't exist and i die. i lose nothing. on the other hand if God does exist and i die. i live forever happy in a place that never has problems . so you see. i dont gain or lose anything. i have faith in God which makes me get through A LOT of things.
How an argument or belief makes you feel has no bearing on whether it is true or not.
Also, Even though you believe in a specific deity, and I believe in no deities; we could both be wrong. There is more than one religion which claims to be right, so there is no dichotomy when choosing beliefs. Maybe the Zoroastrians or Hindus got it right, and we both got it completely wrong.
It seems as if you're letting your idea of God play upon your insecurities and using it as a crutch. Believing it simply to be on the safe side isn't truly believing it.
@mandjandc Wow way to use Pascal's Wager....So what happens when you wasted your life believing in the wrong god? now you will spend an eternity in hell...along with me, ghandi and richard dawkins....
there is no god, retard. you are right though - you "lose nothing" - you never had a brain in the first place to lose :)
you will never "live forever". there is no heaven. you are pussy for needing to pretend in an imaginary god to get you through your miserable, pathetic, worthless life.
Can you point to the part in the Bible where it says this or did you just make that up? How could they know disobeying God and eating the apple is a sin without knowing the difference between sin and good? It makes no sense.
You really haven't addresed Sol's point or my clarification of them. We're merely stating that attributing the prevention of certain instances of suffering also attribute countless of other instances of suffering to his negligence.
The funny thing about Adam and Eve is that God faults them for disobeying him when they couldn't even know that disobeying God was a sin (since they hadn't eaten the apple). They had no knowledge of good or evil. It's like punishing a child for the rest of their lives for repeating a curse word when they had no concept of curse words. They had no idea the action is wrong yet they (and every generation of people thereafter) are held accountable to it. It makes no sense
Everything does tend to make more sense when you take a grand "puppet master" out of the equation. However, allow me to play devil's advocate. Perhaps god saved Hitler so that everyone who ever gets into an argument - no matter what the issue - will have someone they can accuse their opponents of being like.
@kkoznarek Also with your second comment, you again fail to see Saul's point. When people say God intervenes in history and helps people (like when that plane landed safely on the Hudson river after its engines failed), they're also admitting that time after time, there are situations where God could have prevented a whole lot more suffering and didn't. If God does intervene in our lives, he has a really shitty way of choosing when.
@kkoznarek You don't understand what he's trying to prove by the guy with the heart attack. When people say that an illness getting better without explanation is evidence of God's existence, they don't say that someone dying without explanation is evidence of God's nonexistence. It's special pleading (which is a logical fallacy).
Really? That's all you've got? A dive-by scripture reading?
The clever author of this passage saw that the "Lord" does not work in mysterious ways, but rather in ways that are indistinguishable from his total absence.
This piece of scripture, in essence, negates the very existence of god by positing god as unknowable by any act, or any "plan."
The universe behaves exactly as we could expect it to behave without the interference of the Judeo-Chrisitan god.
Christianity: The belief that a Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Yea.. and they think evolution is a fairy tale?
God doesn't need to use measuring instruments to know things unlike us - and so god can know the position and momentum of a particle without influencing either.
Eating fatty foods is a sin! Eating pizza is against god's will! Bible-god sounds like his will would be to fuck as many people as possible over; not enough suffering to justify YHWH! He picks sides in RACE (jews) baseball is nothing! But they pissed him off, so god had to use Hitler to kill them!
God doesn't exist so no. But if god did exist, outside of time and space and all, it is perfectly possible to know these things; if we're admitting magic and imaterial beings to the table why not? Since it's defined as omniscient, if it existed, which theres no evidence of, it could see both these things at once; it would require a non-material sense, well it's non material and can sense us, so surely it could sense atoms it's supposedly built of / bulds (depending on theology - which sucks)
good points sol. people have selective observation and confirmation bias. apparently its adaptive in that it may help to avoid cognitive dissonance. this is an unpleasant feeling. and we must avoid unpleasantness at all costs. i can no longer see your bongs in the background. did your mom get rid of them? once, my dad sprayed weed killer on my weed and they died. that was in about 1981 i think. im a old fuck then.
Humans do certain things. Humans love, hate, ect, we also we programmed to Not do certain things, like smash our heads into rocks. So, it is obvious that we are programed to act a certain way. So, why did God program humans with evil, hate, and other bad things?
@afareni he doesn't sound as smart as he thinks he does? Wow, you're definitely not one of those guys who get intimidated by intelligent people. Definitely not. People believe in false things, like sexism, racism, religion, ect. Those things SHould get flamed, not for being different, but for being evil and harmful. And he's not so much flaming as pointing out how certain theological arguements fail completely, just like you. If you don't like hearing the truth, then go to church. You're done.
@Sav3TheWorld Since when was religion evil? Only some religions are evil.
Stop telling me about what's the truth and what isn't, you don't know anymore than me or the next person.
I'm not intimidated because I'm intelligent enough, and wise enough to understand there are things we as humans cannot grasp, and that the frivolity of trying makes one look like an idiot.
@afareni Clever, you repeated what I said. You are definitely intelligent and wise. And religion has been evil, since it was founded. And there are fact, and if you don't like 'em, stay in doors. The irony here is that atheists say that we don't know if there's a god, yet, you seem to be defending the theist position which make the claim, with absolute certainty, that there is a God and they know what he wants. You can stay willfully ignorant if you want, but don't spread your stupidity.
@afareni ...yeah, I know. When did I say otherwise? I said 'Atheists say that we don't know if there's a god.' Sayinh I don't know if something exists is pretty much the same as not believing in that thing. So, you claim that I don't know what the definition of atheism is, wrongly. And then maturely say 'Owned, over. Bye kid' and then run away.....XD lol, now I want to keep talking with you to hear what other ridiculous bull you spew. You're funnier than cable TV.
@afareni please, intelligent and wise one, can you point out how I have contradicted myself? And 'fruit?' are you trying to call me gay? Haven't herd that one in a while XD
The majority of atheists I've met tend to be atheist agnostic; we don't think there is much of a chance a god or gods (beings with great power and human attributes, sentiently controlling things) exist, but we don't discard the possibility we could be wrong. If reliable, conclusive evidence could be found of deities I would conclude they exist.
@afareni again, where have I contradicted myself? And whats with calling me fruit? If you're going to childishly insult me, then at least make it a decent insult. Oh, and quick question: How do you sleep at night kowing that you willingly support religion, which continues to cause death, suffering and oppression? Because if you can still sleep with all that blood on your hand, then I want what ever you're taking.
@afareni Well, you are defending it. Wouldn;t you say someone who defends racism or Nazism is supporting it? They are. Also, you, ironically make the assumption that I think being agnostic (which I'm not) makes me a better person, despite the fact that I've never said or even hinted to such a conclusion. And how is you refusing to think about religion, refusing to educate yourself on the harm it causes, looking at the big picture and questioning everything? Please, stop the baseless statements.
@Sav3TheWorld I'm not defending religion, I'm defending people's right to say or believe what they want without dicks like you thinking going against the grain makes you so special or something that you have to assault anyone with different views.
You're so closed minded it's making me sick and I wish you'd stop replying to me because you're not saying anything intelligent.
@afareni Seems like you have alot of unfounded preconceptions about people who 'go again the grain.' How am I close minded for pointing out how theistic beliefs cause harm? And again, look at my example. Wouldn't you agree that defending the right for a racist or nazi to speak is supporting those things? THINK about it. If you defend them, you help them spread their ideology. You are indirectly supporting religion. And you say I contradict myself and such, but never show where.
@afareni yeah, thats true. When did I say otherwise? Also, you said I was close-minded, yet you haven't explained how I am close-minded. And don't you think the 'don't you have anything better to do' is kinda hypocritical considering you're doing the same thing? And your voting isn't relevant....at all..... :/
@afareni Making assumptions seems to have to do less with education and more with just a person's nature, if you ask me. You say you look at the big picture, yet, you only care about the possability of someone 'flaming' anothers beliefs, instead of caring about the massive amout of harm caused by those beliefs. Also, you never explained how I contradicted myself. It seems YOU are the one contradicting yourself. Please, don't run away. Just talk and use reason. Don't fear the truth.
@afareni but I just showed you an example. See, you focused on this one vid, thinking it was flaming, but didn't see the huge damage caused by the beliefs being flamed. I'd saying focusing on a little flaming isn't looking at the big picture, when compared to all the death and suffering caused by religion. So, please, explain how this example is flawed. Also, explain how I contradicted myself, explain what I said that was retarded and unintelligent. Or, are youjust making baseless statements?
Ok, I'm going to step in here because this is hurting me to watch.
Afareni - what do you believe or what ideas are you supporting or in conflict with? You've yet to actually state this, and its not helping.
Sav3TheWorld - Dude, I appreciate the energy, but let the man state his actual view before you lay into him. Present why you think religion is harmful in clear terms as well. Claims with no explanation is useless.
Both of you - merely dissing the other guy out won't do much in the end.
@SolRosenberg84 kk. Honestly, I don't think its possible to educate their kind. I just do it for fun. Sorry for getting so off topic on your gewd vid. You should probably delete my comments so people can read comments that pertain to your vid.
I think it is possible to educate anyone. Some of the most passionate and concise skeptics and atheists I've seen here on Youtube were all once theists.
I used to be a theist, and I used to believe in many other things which I now see as un-substantiated. However, when I gained enough knowledge, when I fully accepted my logical errors and wilful ignorance I changed my mind.
People can change. Its not up to me to decide who can't and who can. I try to always remember this during discussion.
@SolRosenberg84 oh yeah. Thats a point. I wonder if you have gained some extra insight on how to reason with or persuade theists through your deconversion. Some atheists made videos about their deconversion, do you have one?
@SolRosenberg84 All I'm sure of is that being atheist/agnostic doesn't make people superior to theists, I don't believe in a difference between a physical and vibrational universe, and am currently on an uncertain stance when it comes to religion. I'm not defending religion alone, I'm defending everything, especially uncertainty.
What? Vibration is a property of physical matter, in fact, it is atomic vibration that we sense as heat. If you are making an argument for substance dualism, than I recommend this video by QualiaSoup.
/watch?v=WsPn5dXfTvA
Even if you were not arguing for substance dualism, I still recommend checking out Qualiasoup's channel.
>I'm defending everything, especially uncertainty.
Well, I also defend uncertainty. At the quantum level there is no absolute certainty, so why would anyone think that such a thing that could exist at our level? Absolute certainty is only possible with wilful ignorance and dishonesty.
However, if we accept that evidence can be used to determine degrees of truth about reality - than some ideas, such as creationism, can indeed be proven to be wrong. This makes defending "everything" problematic.
But never the ones that our tribe believes in. Bias can be a funny things sometimes eh?
I cannot tell you what is truth, but I can tell you evidence, and you can tell me as well. From this, a greater understanding of closer approximations of truth can be attained.
I accept that some truths of the universe are probably unknowable - but we won't know what is unknowable until we get off our asses and find out what isn't.
Listen dude, I'm not trying to "flame" anyone. I've made no claim that people who believe in these concepts are stupid, I just find the idea that all of our history runs with a sentient plan is kinda nuts, not to mention painfully egotistical when we understand the true breadth of the cosmos.
The deity who created everything really gives a shit about a few specs of sentient carbon, compared to the vast cosmos that sits around us? That seems to out of proportion, too provincial to be true.
Among ~ 30(?) failed plots Georg Elser's very timely try in November 1939 sticks out: On his annual Munich speech Hitler usually stayed till 22:00, but on that evening fog prevented a fly back to Berlin and so he left 21:07 to take the night train - the bomb devastatingly went off 21:20. 13 minutes! Without the fanatic Hitler on top probably neither the Holocaust nor the attack on Russia would have been set in motion.
Some say not God but the Devil is behind these cruel coincidences ...
Funny how the devil causes all the coincidences they dislike, whilst god causes all the ones they like - all whilst believing that god has all the power.
Religion has perfected double think to such a degree that it is almost beautiful.
I don't understand your quantum physics argument, are you arguing against gods plan, the idea of determinism or both? Nether of those need a human understanding for them to be true. I mean humans do not know the speed or position of a partial, but the partial still has a speed and position.
You must forgive me - I'm halfway through a good book on quantum mechanics, so I'm just getting to the part that explains this fully; but quantum physics suggests, and some physical evidence supports, the idea that nothing is "real."
There are apparently no "hidden variables" causing quantum rules. Every search for them, no matter how brilliant, has suggested they don't exist, and hence, there is no definite "real" reality. I've heard even string theory conjecture doesn't solve this problem.
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God put Hitler into power yes. However, God does not intervene in men's plots and ambitions to remove someone from power. Since afterall, He put them in power, He didn't set up a day for them to be killed.
JFK, Robert Kennedy, etc. God did not intervene during their times, why even bother thinking He would with someone like Hitler?
Your argument fails immediately when you realize this.
God's plan is perfect and all of our days are ordained before even one of them came to be.
God intervene to put people in power but don't intervene to remove someone from power ... Why not ?
His argument fails when you realize what ? You said nothing that may seems like a realization.
"God's plan is perfect and all of our days are ordained [...]." How do you know that ? And if all of our days are ordained by God, why would that exclude the day of our death, the day a state man is killed or remove from power ?
So god put hitler in power. So I guess then god must be ok with what he did right, since god is all knowing and all. So I guess you're ok with what he did, since you claim his plan is perfect.
Also, if our days are ordained before even we were born, then I guess we don't have free will and adam and eve were doing what they were programed to do so then, why did god get angry at them for doing what they were programed to do?
What Hitler did was not right obviously. But that doesn't stop God from putting statesmen in power.
Do you not understand ordainment ? It means everything we do is already known. NOT PROGRAMMED.
Our volition exists, we choose things daily. But free will is not something we have, we do not have autonomy in that way, we have wills, they're just not free and all-powerful as we want.
Animals are programmed, Humans are not animals. We're not robots either.
I love the way all of your God people voices are like hillbilly's - or is that what they all speak like?
OrangeFuzz123 3 days ago
God doesn't make suffering. When Adam ate that fruit he damned the whole human race unless you accept the Lord Jesus Christ. There is more proof of Jesus living than proof George Washington ever existing! If there were no God there would be no atheists.
nikesk8er10 2 weeks ago
@nikesk8er10 Excuse my langauge, but bullshit! Why did God make the apple tree where Adam was? Why did he not stop the snake when it was as crafty as the Bible claims? Why is it just to punish the child for the crimes of the father? Proof of Jesus? Like what? One book that says he does? If God didn't exist, there wouldn't be atheists. Correct. No one would have to waste time explaining to people that their imaginary friend does not exist. When you don't think, it is easy to say crap like this.
MunkyDrag0n 1 day ago
Ok seriously dude when hitler died he was a Christian gods plan is to save just 1 man.in a book of the bible it says that the angels will rejoice with singing and praise for 1 man that has repented of his sins.... So explain it better cause you making yourself look very stupid.
Oddball432 1 month ago
Christianity and "God's Plan".
Everything Positive Response:"Praise Jesus and his healing magic"
Everything Negative Response:"It's the Devil and his sinner minions" or "Eh, shit happens"
KillaBuStIn 5 months ago
I think God is a bully who loves power.
Gamer1990100 8 months ago
What if there were multiple universes? What if God being infinite love needed every possible creature to exist in order to love it, including a universe where Hitler survives by 3 random chances and 60 million jews die and one where Hitler never even makes a name for himself? Your angst seems to be against an all loving God who allows/plans suffering.
DamienX84 10 months ago
Thumbs up if all Atheists left the Universe the world would be in peril with no scientific studies or anyone Intelligent left... Coming from a 12 year old good day.
dadonutslvl90 10 months ago
I agree with your logic
apleyas 11 months ago
Talking about God's plan is so hard. >.<
Like with the baseball thing. As I understand it, you're not even supposed to pray for stuff like winning, and that "talking" to God is more or less asking for spiritual things, like forgiveness, or patience. Additionally, the man dieing from the heart attack... that's covered in the book of Job. It's basically that God is always right and when something bad happens it's because he's planning to do something good with it. It's frustrating. D:
ThePonola 11 months ago
Didn't you read the book of John? Of course Gott ist mit hitler!
unassumption 1 year ago
I saw some things in your other video about it now. But there's been new evidence for it in the last year or so too. So maybe it's worth reexamining.
demfings 1 year ago
Hey, you should look into the theory that our universe is entirely a computer simulation. It's supported by science(though not proven) and creates a need for a creator of sorts(a programmer). I'd like to hear your take on it. I can't remember the exact name of the theory, but I read an essay on it a few months back. It sounds outlandish but it's fairly intriguing.
demfings 1 year ago
on the whole Hitler example, there is also the fact that during WWI he nearly caught a bullet in the head, barely missing him by a few centimeters.
MobileThinker 1 year ago
SCIENCE LIES!!!! THE WORLD IS FLAT@@@@@ THERE IS NO UNIVERSE ONLY UNLIMITED FLAT LAND! RELIGION FOR LIFE!!!!! GOD MADE THIS COMPUTER I AM USING TO TYPE THIS STUPID COMMENT FUCK SCIENCE! (sarcasm)
371terry 1 year ago
god will never reveal himself to you scientists so scientists give it up for looking for god he will never reveal himself to you no matter how hard you try it won't happen til judgement day comes then he will reveal himself he will come down from the clouds and then everyone one will see god and mourn it said it the bible in revelation
jonathonbaur123 1 year ago
Just saw the movie Inception with DiCaprio.Started off so well,i was visibly tired by 3/4 and then I rallied in the last 10 minutes of a 2 and bit hour movie. Unfortunately the movie really got terrible when it tried to make up a twisty story half way through but otherwise ok. ps- Sorry Leonard Molten....:)
pescadoygamba 1 year ago
The existance of god, or non-existance of god has nothing to do with mankind's stupid little attempt to figure it out. Is it possible god exists, of course... is it possible god doesnt exist, of course. If there is a god that created the universe then how can any group of glorified apes hope to understand his/its motives? And yet every religion claims to. Die-hard athiesm is just as pointless in claiming god cannot exist. How about, we just... don't... fucking... know, and leave it at that?
Damienf77 1 year ago
@Damienf77
>Die-hard athiesm is just as pointless in claiming god cannot exist
Um, no. Every atheist I've ever met just lacks belief in a god. Its not an absolute statement, they just don't but into the theistic claims.
SolRosenberg84 1 year ago 4
@SolRosenberg84 Maybe every athiest you've met does, but I have met some that are somehow absolutely certain that it is not possible. That is why I said "die-hard", not all of them are the same.
Damienf77 1 year ago
@Damienf77 there's actually a study that has been done that correlates the religiosity of society and it's societal health factors i.e. abortion, divorce, teenage pregnancies, etc. There's always strong negative health factors when society becomes more religious. That's one of the reasons why I'm an outspoken atheist. I suggest you do the same if you actually care about society.
FallofDarkness55 7 months ago
@FallofDarkness55 The post was almost a year ago and I have since changed my views on this.
Damienf77 7 months ago
LOL..your a NERD...teehee....
TopramenMF 1 year ago
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Maybe the negative things are Gods will at times. It is better for you to perish physically than to spend eternity in hell. Sometimes it takes a life changing situation for someone to repent. Also, this is all a consequence of sin. You don't understand sin, so of course it sounds ridiculous to you. A thing I notice in every atheists video is the arrogance, mockery, negativity, and condescending manner. It's expected though because of sin. Luke 13:1-4
xchampx 1 year ago
If we know that there is an uncertainty to reality, that it is infact a certainty in itself. Just because we don't understand it doesn't change the fact that things are certain.
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@SolRosenberg84 See here where you go wrong.. LOL Sound familiar? I know, they always response with so much knowledge, like they didn't really think about our argument. It almost seems like we could go on telling these Theist how wrong they are, over and over, but they'll never even start to see how we see their side so clearly, from a multi view of religions too.. LOL I'm a Happy Atheist
AHappyAtheist 1 year ago
I agree with you but if you want to get through to theists you dont want to do the Christian voice. As much as you hate it when somebody does an `atheist voice´, youve lost most Christians as soon as you start doing the voice.
omriee 1 year ago
haha!!! ur damn good!! keep up the good work...
91nezz 1 year ago
All paths lead to God in whatever shape, form, or idea you wish him to be. We are all right and wrong, so thats the right answer. God problem solved.
rogamortis 1 year ago
Or the tumor was misdiagnosed in the first place.
dbes02 1 year ago
Kidding me? Hitler was the number 4 indivual in known world history that were the closer to keep gods rules in the bible. Only beaten by some mythological mass murderer in the old testament, Henry O'Brionell the crusader knight of Jerusalem, and some skitzophren doctor that got arrested for the sterilization and mass murder of feminists and homosexualls in Illunois in the late 70's (only counting ACTUALLY PROVEN TO BE TRUE people) It's not like "gods rules" pick NICE people. "Gods plan". Ha!
David1531992 1 year ago
You make a good point, and it is also wise that you didn't rule out God of his existence like so many people do. Free will is human capability being exercised; the same goes for all species. To paint a good event with God and the bad to the devil, or God, is ignorance. This does not rule out God from existence.
jowildcat40 1 year ago
"Ball's in your court demon-worshiper." I do believe you have just molested my funny bone.
Xzariox 1 year ago
also it wasn't just three... after Hitler was in power he survived 42 assassination attempts
minionofantichrist 2 years ago
haha, your funny. that is a worse argument than any I've heard before
minionofantichrist 2 years ago
I'm gonnaFavorite this
MegaDarkDays 2 years ago
You are smart and funny... but incorrect.
fortruth8989 2 years ago
@fortruth8989 one again, are you dumb
MegaDarkDays 2 years ago
he blocked me because he is a pussy like you :)
you are both worthless - you will never accomplish anything in your worthless life :)
you are both uneducated - you are so gullible you believe in god! LOL!
you are both pussies - you are too scared to ever accept reality and you are even scared of things that do not exist - demons and hell! LOL! you fucking coward :)
there is no god, you worthless, uneducated pussy :) hehe :)
bettyloutumor 1 year ago
there is no god and we are not puppets.makes sense.he will never intervein.
moron989 2 years ago
Everything that happens on earth is god`s will, because if it was not his will, the Allmighty would have intervened. Conclusion either we are all puppets, or there is no god.
lizazoon 2 years ago
yeah god allowed hitler to kill all those ppls to save me. im very important. also ive heard that hitlers mother almost aborted him but changed her mind.. interesting
JollSSteR 2 years ago 3
Here is where your argument fails.
First of all, God gives man free will. If man was obedient to God and obeyed the commandments, there would be true peace on earth. Think of it: Thou shalt not murder, Thou shalt not steal, etc.
As for Hitler: the German people started worshipping Hitler as God. Instead of focusing on the only who can truly give peace they started worshipping Hitler. It was the German people who gave Hitler control overthem to do these horrible things.
twospot7777777 2 years ago
Kid, go get some education.
1. The Old Testament contains numerous endorsements of infanticide, homicide, slavery, torture, etc. Why are you cherry-picking from the Old Testament?
2. The Golden Rule ("Thou shalt not kill", etc.) was known for centuries in other cultures before the emergence of Judaism.
3. Hitler was Roman Catholic. In "Mein Kampf" he explicitly refers to Jewish killing Jesus as one justification for the persecution of Jews.
4. Hitler is an example of a dangerous religion.
NeedsEvidence 2 years ago 8
@NeedsEvidence
Please don't talk about things you don't understand, it really gets the all knowing God riled.
Slavery isn't a bad thing in the Bibles context, you do realise it condemns enslaving anybody you choose? You can't just go an enslave an innocent man. Slavehood was practically forcing a criminal into public service.
You do realise there's a law saying that slaves are allowed to escape without any punishment and without being forced to go back?
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@TheColaGoodfellow OH! So because they can't just enslave random Joe ( even though a few probably did), and because if someone could escape, there no consequences ( maybe an awkward meeting), Slavery is still right? You are a lost idiot. Bible also tells you HOW to beat your slaves, and how to own them forever.
Akelz77 1 year ago
@Akelz77
I'm lost? You just justified your own ignorance through repeating what I said.
Yes, the Bible tells you how to own them forever, it says that first THE SLAVE must say they want to stay with them forever.
And yes, you're allowed to beat your slave... What has changed? You're not allowed to beat or enslave random innocent people.
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@TheColaGoodfellow It also says that If the slaves gets married under you, and leaves, he can't take his wife, that's why he "agrees" to stay forever. So let me g et this straight... you just stated the oblivious which is the the Bible tells you that you can beat your slave. It also says how to. Tell me how your happy little Biblical slavery is justified... Your stupidity shines like El Dorado.
Akelz77 1 year ago
@Akelz77
And your arrogence shines like the sun.
OK then, next time someone does something wrong, you think it's wrong to punish them. Freedom is freedom afterall. Get rid of the jails, that's apparantly abusing basic human rights. Nobody should fight in wars, even if the opposing country is immoral, you're not meant to injure people who have done wrong.
When you're the President I'll make sure we send all criminals to your country, where they all go free and unpunished for their crimes.
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@TheColaGoodfellow Your ignorance shines like a gamma burst.
So you think that people who committed the "crime" of not being Jewish deserved to be SLAVES? are you an idiot? (yes.) "Criminals" as you call them, are still people, ans still deserve rights. YOU are a brainwashed hap and really need to look outside of the box... REALLY...
Akelz77 1 year ago
@Akelz77
You do realise there were many people who weren't Jewish that didn't get captured as slaves? People who they chose not to attack because they treated the Jews kindly? People were made slaves usually because they owed someone money or because they had done wrong (this includes cities that the Jews attacked).
Slaves had the right to run away and the right to live. However, they didn't have the right to not get beaten for doing wrong.
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@Akelz77
If I was a slave and I didn't do what I was told, and If I was a slave for doing wrong in the first place, I would understand if my master hit me or even beat me to a pulp.
However if I was unjustly enslaved, then the Bible has a problem with that and so would I.
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@TheColaGoodfellow Show me where the Bible says You can only accept slaves for debt and wrongs.
You are a disgrace of a human being... ya know that? You are basically saying that you can't, and DON'T think for yourself... you are a horrible person and you worship a 2,000 year old book written by rapists and translated by corrupted people in positions of power... wow...
Akelz77 1 year ago
@Akelz77
"An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth"
I have thought for myself, you just think you know everything, like all arrogent atheists do. And you're too weak to be able to face the consequences of your actions when you do wrong.
I'm a disgrace? You're disgrace, because all of this crap you have spewed is all because the Bible contains miracles, and that's it. Otherwise you would have no motivation to condemn these people whilst ignoring the law of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth".
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@TheColaGoodfellow
Umm.. that law is not from the Bible, it's from far before then.
-You think for yourself by showing a quote from someone else... brilliant.
- Glad to know that God gave you the ability to know EVERYTHING that I think based of off an argument about the fact that slavery is wrong...
- Glad to know that you know why I dislike the Bible... It CAN"T possibly be because of the false morals, pseudo-science, and the morons like you who follow it, it HAS to be the bullshit (CONT)
Akelz77 1 year ago
(CONT) reasons that YOU stated... (PS. I was being sarcastic)
- The Quor'an (Muslim holy book) has miracles, Greek Mythology has miracles, saying that miracles happened does not verify it at all...
- Atheism is NOT trying to escape divine punishment, Theism is an escape from harsh reality.
Grow up, open your eyes, leave the Bible box.
Akelz77 1 year ago
@Akelz77
I left the Bible box and realised that I left logic inside.
Do your research, the books in the Bible were wrote in different periods of time (up until the New testament). The things they say in the Bible destroy the idea of them wanted monetary gain or earthly power.
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@TheColaGoodfellow
council of nicea built the fucking Bible, and they changed it... DO YOUR GODDAMN RESEARCH! and seriously, read the King James Bible, it is wrong o many levels.
Akelz77 1 year ago
@Akelz77
Putting the books and letetrs together, yes.
Changing it however, no evidence.
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@TheColaGoodfellow did you know the vatican is one of the most politcally powerful and wealthy organizations in the world?
Digityus 1 year ago
@Digityus
The Vatican isn't Christianity, and it can't control the many people who don't partain to catholic belief. If we're going to assume the entire bible is a conspiracy, then why don't you do that about anything else?
Why isn't evolution and a billion year old universe one big conspiracy or hoax made up by the government to scare terrorists from blowing themselves up in the name of God?
FaithAndWisdom 1 year ago
@TheColaGoodfellow
"an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"
Disliking the Jews = being a SLAVE... you are an IDIOT.
Akelz77 1 year ago
@Akelz77
"An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"
Mistreating the Jews = being a slave.
I'm going to keep re-quoting that scripture until you shut up and accept that the Old testament constantly refers to it, and therefore everything which occured in the Bible results from it.
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@TheColaGoodfellow
WHAT? You DO realize that that is BULLSHIT right? Jesus SO TOTALLY followed that scripture... YOU ARE A DISGRACE OF A THINKER.
Akelz77 1 year ago
@Akelz77
"translated by corrupted people in positions of power... wow... "
Ohh, so THAT'S why the prophets usually opposed teh authorities! real logical!
Miracles don't = Conspiracy.
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@TheColaGoodfellow
you DO realize that the bible that YOU read was altered for political reasons by authority...
Akelz77 1 year ago
@Akelz77
"for political reasons by authority... "
No evidence, the Bible was wrote at different times by different people and the law was teh same in each one.
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@TheColaGoodfellow
The Bible was mashed into one Book by a religious council, they rejected 16 gospels, and several other books that are referenced by books that got in, they changed the name of a foreign lord to make him sound worse, and read the King James bible, that thing is fucked up.
Akelz77 1 year ago
@Akelz77
The slave could stay until his wife is allowed to go free, simple as, you need to practcie your lateral thinking skills because when it comes to the Bible you fail at it.
TheColaGoodfellow 1 year ago
@TheColaGoodfellow which Bible? many of them...
Akelz77 1 year ago
Where are rape and child abuse in the commandments?
magx01 2 years ago
This is a fundamental flaw in theistic thinking, that a life without a deity is sadder or less satisfying than one with one. You have to actually reduce it to the fundaments of why you feel a deity makes your life more enriched. Basic psychology says that dependence on what is deemed as a reliable source of comfort is desirable than one with a lack of dependence. Similar to drug addiction.
I for one would rather remain clear headed and thinking, rather than addicted to a source of comfort.
LaerenMisha 2 years ago 3
LOL
This is too funny.
ISDP1337 2 years ago
"so god picks sides in fuckin baseball'
lol!
I enjoyed this
down with deities
hail knowledge and truth!
publicsenemy91 2 years ago 4
glad I'm not christian
I'd be born into debt for events I didn't ask for haha
quite unfortunate
screw heaven make your peace and happiness here on earth cause there's only one free ride lol
how and why is irrelevant
publicsenemy91 2 years ago
i believe in God always will. If God doesn't exist and i die. i lose nothing. on the other hand if God does exist and i die. i live forever happy in a place that never has problems . so you see. i dont gain or lose anything. i have faith in God which makes me get through A LOT of things.
mandjandc 2 years ago
How an argument or belief makes you feel has no bearing on whether it is true or not.
Also, Even though you believe in a specific deity, and I believe in no deities; we could both be wrong. There is more than one religion which claims to be right, so there is no dichotomy when choosing beliefs. Maybe the Zoroastrians or Hindus got it right, and we both got it completely wrong.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago 2
@mandjandc
It seems as if you're letting your idea of God play upon your insecurities and using it as a crutch. Believing it simply to be on the safe side isn't truly believing it.
thebinarybiscuit 1 year ago
@mandjandc But how do you pick WHICH god? There are over 346 million of them till todays date. How do you know you pray to the right one?
David1531992 1 year ago
@mandjandc Wow way to use Pascal's Wager....So what happens when you wasted your life believing in the wrong god? now you will spend an eternity in hell...along with me, ghandi and richard dawkins....
ichleibemeinenvr6 1 year ago
there is no god, retard. you are right though - you "lose nothing" - you never had a brain in the first place to lose :)
you will never "live forever". there is no heaven. you are pussy for needing to pretend in an imaginary god to get you through your miserable, pathetic, worthless life.
bettyloutumor 1 year ago
@mandjandc pascals wager asshole
lukeism2 1 year ago
"they had this sense of obedience to God"
Can you point to the part in the Bible where it says this or did you just make that up? How could they know disobeying God and eating the apple is a sin without knowing the difference between sin and good? It makes no sense.
theradioschizo 2 years ago
You really haven't addresed Sol's point or my clarification of them. We're merely stating that attributing the prevention of certain instances of suffering also attribute countless of other instances of suffering to his negligence.
theradioschizo 2 years ago
The funny thing about Adam and Eve is that God faults them for disobeying him when they couldn't even know that disobeying God was a sin (since they hadn't eaten the apple). They had no knowledge of good or evil. It's like punishing a child for the rest of their lives for repeating a curse word when they had no concept of curse words. They had no idea the action is wrong yet they (and every generation of people thereafter) are held accountable to it. It makes no sense
theradioschizo 2 years ago 2
i guess he kept hitler alive to kill more people?? and yes people are willingly ignorant
curtdammit 2 years ago
LOL I love the Christian voice you xD
NeroTheAtheist 2 years ago 14
@NeroTheAtheist Kinda resembles Kent Hovind... HAHA
ichleibemeinenvr6 1 year ago
Everything does tend to make more sense when you take a grand "puppet master" out of the equation. However, allow me to play devil's advocate. Perhaps god saved Hitler so that everyone who ever gets into an argument - no matter what the issue - will have someone they can accuse their opponents of being like.
DarkMatter2525 2 years ago
gods plan never fails
politicalycorrectNOT 2 years ago
except all the time...
lewismurray1 2 years ago 3
also when hitler was a soldier in WW1 he narrowly escaped death when an enemy sniper shot the man next to him
nice save jesus...........
holyunderware2000 2 years ago 3
A dog saved hitlers life in world war 1, he kicked it out of his tent just as a mortar hit the tent and killed everyone in the tent he had just left
Zebanamana 2 years ago
@kkoznarek Also with your second comment, you again fail to see Saul's point. When people say God intervenes in history and helps people (like when that plane landed safely on the Hudson river after its engines failed), they're also admitting that time after time, there are situations where God could have prevented a whole lot more suffering and didn't. If God does intervene in our lives, he has a really shitty way of choosing when.
theradioschizo 2 years ago
@kkoznarek You don't understand what he's trying to prove by the guy with the heart attack. When people say that an illness getting better without explanation is evidence of God's existence, they don't say that someone dying without explanation is evidence of God's nonexistence. It's special pleading (which is a logical fallacy).
theradioschizo 2 years ago
'I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil; I am the Lord, that doeth all these things.' (Isaiah 45:7)
atticana 2 years ago
@atticana
Really? That's all you've got? A dive-by scripture reading?
The clever author of this passage saw that the "Lord" does not work in mysterious ways, but rather in ways that are indistinguishable from his total absence.
This piece of scripture, in essence, negates the very existence of god by positing god as unknowable by any act, or any "plan."
The universe behaves exactly as we could expect it to behave without the interference of the Judeo-Chrisitan god.
infideluxe 2 years ago
"things just happen, what the hell" - anyone with a brain
lewismurray1 2 years ago
Do you believe that is morally correct?
epanek 2 years ago
Christianity: The belief that a Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree. Yea.. and they think evolution is a fairy tale?
epanek 2 years ago 2
"Balls in your court, Demon Warshipper!"
lmfao...
gweegwee3 2 years ago
@kkoznarek .. and what all-knowing creator created Adam? ;)
eierer 2 years ago
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RogerFedexa 2 years ago
Reality is indifferent to us.. interesting idea.. however, reality is not NEARLY as indifferent to us as we can be to reality.
:]
GnomesAmok 2 years ago
Reality may
GnomesAmok 2 years ago
well done
NovemDecem 2 years ago
nice guy fox mask
omghitbycar 2 years ago
Awesome and insightful video Sol
epanek 2 years ago
You mentioned Hitler at 4:20.
Coincidence? lol
southparkgtaca 2 years ago
4/20 is pot day, of course this stoner would mention it then P= unless you mean something else that hapened at 420
unassumption 2 years ago
Hitler's birthday, too.
southparkgtaca 2 years ago
God doesn't need to use measuring instruments to know things unlike us - and so god can know the position and momentum of a particle without influencing either.
Eating fatty foods is a sin! Eating pizza is against god's will! Bible-god sounds like his will would be to fuck as many people as possible over; not enough suffering to justify YHWH! He picks sides in RACE (jews) baseball is nothing! But they pissed him off, so god had to use Hitler to kill them!
unassumption 2 years ago
"god can know the position and momentum of a particle without influencing either. "
Do you have evidence for this assertion?
epanek 2 years ago
God doesn't exist so no. But if god did exist, outside of time and space and all, it is perfectly possible to know these things; if we're admitting magic and imaterial beings to the table why not? Since it's defined as omniscient, if it existed, which theres no evidence of, it could see both these things at once; it would require a non-material sense, well it's non material and can sense us, so surely it could sense atoms it's supposedly built of / bulds (depending on theology - which sucks)
unassumption 2 years ago 2
I misunderstood. I thought you were asserting god was capable of this and you could provide an observation to that end.
epanek 2 years ago
I believe some God created the universe but the bible sound to devilish. I also believe that we might be gods or maybe i dont know.lol
MarijuanaCommunity 2 years ago
good points sol. people have selective observation and confirmation bias. apparently its adaptive in that it may help to avoid cognitive dissonance. this is an unpleasant feeling. and we must avoid unpleasantness at all costs. i can no longer see your bongs in the background. did your mom get rid of them? once, my dad sprayed weed killer on my weed and they died. that was in about 1981 i think. im a old fuck then.
shadyvista 2 years ago
SOL!!! u rock, and I just saw a cool movie the other day its called Religulous and it is a funny documentary interviewing religious nutjob, i lol'd
Scoreking81 2 years ago
Humans do certain things. Humans love, hate, ect, we also we programmed to Not do certain things, like smash our heads into rocks. So, it is obvious that we are programed to act a certain way. So, why did God program humans with evil, hate, and other bad things?
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
So you talk shit about everything you don't agree with AND you wear Billabong.
You lost a subscriber...
afareni 2 years ago
@afareni lol, fail.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
@Sav3TheWorld No, whether he thinks or knows what he's tlaking about, he doesn't.
None of us know whether or not there's a "plan" or even if there is a God.
I'm not saying his beliefs are wrong, he's just kind of a douche for flaming things he doesn't believe in just because he can.
:/ And he doesn't sound as smart as he thinks he does. High school physics aren't really impressive.
afareni 2 years ago
@afareni he doesn't sound as smart as he thinks he does? Wow, you're definitely not one of those guys who get intimidated by intelligent people. Definitely not. People believe in false things, like sexism, racism, religion, ect. Those things SHould get flamed, not for being different, but for being evil and harmful. And he's not so much flaming as pointing out how certain theological arguements fail completely, just like you. If you don't like hearing the truth, then go to church. You're done.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
@Sav3TheWorld Since when was religion evil? Only some religions are evil.
Stop telling me about what's the truth and what isn't, you don't know anymore than me or the next person.
I'm not intimidated because I'm intelligent enough, and wise enough to understand there are things we as humans cannot grasp, and that the frivolity of trying makes one look like an idiot.
YOU'RE done.
Also.
Don't spam my profile =)
afareni 2 years ago
@afareni Clever, you repeated what I said. You are definitely intelligent and wise. And religion has been evil, since it was founded. And there are fact, and if you don't like 'em, stay in doors. The irony here is that atheists say that we don't know if there's a god, yet, you seem to be defending the theist position which make the claim, with absolute certainty, that there is a God and they know what he wants. You can stay willfully ignorant if you want, but don't spread your stupidity.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
@Sav3TheWorld Atheists don't believe in a higher power, look up the word before you claimed it.
Owned, over.
Bye kid.
afareni 2 years ago
@afareni ...yeah, I know. When did I say otherwise? I said 'Atheists say that we don't know if there's a god.' Sayinh I don't know if something exists is pretty much the same as not believing in that thing. So, you claim that I don't know what the definition of atheism is, wrongly. And then maturely say 'Owned, over. Bye kid' and then run away.....XD lol, now I want to keep talking with you to hear what other ridiculous bull you spew. You're funnier than cable TV.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
@Sav3TheWorld Once more, stop contradicting yourself, g'nite, fruit
afareni 2 years ago
@afareni please, intelligent and wise one, can you point out how I have contradicted myself? And 'fruit?' are you trying to call me gay? Haven't herd that one in a while XD
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
The majority of atheists I've met tend to be atheist agnostic; we don't think there is much of a chance a god or gods (beings with great power and human attributes, sentiently controlling things) exist, but we don't discard the possibility we could be wrong. If reliable, conclusive evidence could be found of deities I would conclude they exist.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago
@SolRosenberg84 This is respectable, thank you for clearing it up for me.
By the way, I really liked your video over H. P. Lovecraft.
afareni 2 years ago
@afareni again, where have I contradicted myself? And whats with calling me fruit? If you're going to childishly insult me, then at least make it a decent insult. Oh, and quick question: How do you sleep at night kowing that you willingly support religion, which continues to cause death, suffering and oppression? Because if you can still sleep with all that blood on your hand, then I want what ever you're taking.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
@Sav3TheWorld When did I say I supported religion? That's why it's hard to talk to uneducated people like you, you always make assumptions.
I never said I supported anything but I will now.
I support standing back and seeing the bigger picture in every detail and questioning EVERYTHING.
If you can't do that and think being agnostic makes you better than other people, then I feel sorry for you.
GOODNIGHT.
afareni 2 years ago
@afareni Well, you are defending it. Wouldn;t you say someone who defends racism or Nazism is supporting it? They are. Also, you, ironically make the assumption that I think being agnostic (which I'm not) makes me a better person, despite the fact that I've never said or even hinted to such a conclusion. And how is you refusing to think about religion, refusing to educate yourself on the harm it causes, looking at the big picture and questioning everything? Please, stop the baseless statements.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
@Sav3TheWorld I'm not defending religion, I'm defending people's right to say or believe what they want without dicks like you thinking going against the grain makes you so special or something that you have to assault anyone with different views.
You're so closed minded it's making me sick and I wish you'd stop replying to me because you're not saying anything intelligent.
afareni 2 years ago
@afareni Seems like you have alot of unfounded preconceptions about people who 'go again the grain.' How am I close minded for pointing out how theistic beliefs cause harm? And again, look at my example. Wouldn't you agree that defending the right for a racist or nazi to speak is supporting those things? THINK about it. If you defend them, you help them spread their ideology. You are indirectly supporting religion. And you say I contradict myself and such, but never show where.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
@Sav3TheWorld A lot of theistic beliefs DON'T cause harm.
:/
The way I vote, I'm defending everybody.
So think twice, dipshit.
Don't you have anything better to do? :/
afareni 2 years ago
@afareni yeah, thats true. When did I say otherwise? Also, you said I was close-minded, yet you haven't explained how I am close-minded. And don't you think the 'don't you have anything better to do' is kinda hypocritical considering you're doing the same thing? And your voting isn't relevant....at all..... :/
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
@afareni Making assumptions seems to have to do less with education and more with just a person's nature, if you ask me. You say you look at the big picture, yet, you only care about the possability of someone 'flaming' anothers beliefs, instead of caring about the massive amout of harm caused by those beliefs. Also, you never explained how I contradicted myself. It seems YOU are the one contradicting yourself. Please, don't run away. Just talk and use reason. Don't fear the truth.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
@Sav3TheWorld You have yet to present a truth.
I'm not running away, I'm tired of your retardation, it's really aggravating.
I'm not contradicting myself, you can't even present an example of that.
Good God, you're really stupid.
:/
afareni 2 years ago
@afareni but I just showed you an example. See, you focused on this one vid, thinking it was flaming, but didn't see the huge damage caused by the beliefs being flamed. I'd saying focusing on a little flaming isn't looking at the big picture, when compared to all the death and suffering caused by religion. So, please, explain how this example is flawed. Also, explain how I contradicted myself, explain what I said that was retarded and unintelligent. Or, are youjust making baseless statements?
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
Ok, I'm going to step in here because this is hurting me to watch.
Afareni - what do you believe or what ideas are you supporting or in conflict with? You've yet to actually state this, and its not helping.
Sav3TheWorld - Dude, I appreciate the energy, but let the man state his actual view before you lay into him. Present why you think religion is harmful in clear terms as well. Claims with no explanation is useless.
Both of you - merely dissing the other guy out won't do much in the end.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago
@SolRosenberg84 kk. Honestly, I don't think its possible to educate their kind. I just do it for fun. Sorry for getting so off topic on your gewd vid. You should probably delete my comments so people can read comments that pertain to your vid.
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
I think it is possible to educate anyone. Some of the most passionate and concise skeptics and atheists I've seen here on Youtube were all once theists.
I used to be a theist, and I used to believe in many other things which I now see as un-substantiated. However, when I gained enough knowledge, when I fully accepted my logical errors and wilful ignorance I changed my mind.
People can change. Its not up to me to decide who can't and who can. I try to always remember this during discussion.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago
@SolRosenberg84 oh yeah. Thats a point. I wonder if you have gained some extra insight on how to reason with or persuade theists through your deconversion. Some atheists made videos about their deconversion, do you have one?
Sav3TheWorld 2 years ago
I don't delete anyone's comments unless they are advertising usually.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago
@SolRosenberg84 All I'm sure of is that being atheist/agnostic doesn't make people superior to theists, I don't believe in a difference between a physical and vibrational universe, and am currently on an uncertain stance when it comes to religion. I'm not defending religion alone, I'm defending everything, especially uncertainty.
afareni 2 years ago
>physical and vibrational universe
What? Vibration is a property of physical matter, in fact, it is atomic vibration that we sense as heat. If you are making an argument for substance dualism, than I recommend this video by QualiaSoup.
/watch?v=WsPn5dXfTvA
Even if you were not arguing for substance dualism, I still recommend checking out Qualiasoup's channel.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago
@SolRosenberg84 Thank you for the recommendation.
afareni 2 years ago
>I'm defending everything, especially uncertainty.
Well, I also defend uncertainty. At the quantum level there is no absolute certainty, so why would anyone think that such a thing that could exist at our level? Absolute certainty is only possible with wilful ignorance and dishonesty.
However, if we accept that evidence can be used to determine degrees of truth about reality - than some ideas, such as creationism, can indeed be proven to be wrong. This makes defending "everything" problematic.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago
@SolRosenberg84 P.S. I'm a woman.
afareni 2 years ago
>Only some religions are evil.
But never the ones that our tribe believes in. Bias can be a funny things sometimes eh?
I cannot tell you what is truth, but I can tell you evidence, and you can tell me as well. From this, a greater understanding of closer approximations of truth can be attained.
I accept that some truths of the universe are probably unknowable - but we won't know what is unknowable until we get off our asses and find out what isn't.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago
Listen dude, I'm not trying to "flame" anyone. I've made no claim that people who believe in these concepts are stupid, I just find the idea that all of our history runs with a sentient plan is kinda nuts, not to mention painfully egotistical when we understand the true breadth of the cosmos.
The deity who created everything really gives a shit about a few specs of sentient carbon, compared to the vast cosmos that sits around us? That seems to out of proportion, too provincial to be true.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago
"the ball is in your court demon worshiper"
lol
Epydemic2020 2 years ago 3
Among ~ 30(?) failed plots Georg Elser's very timely try in November 1939 sticks out: On his annual Munich speech Hitler usually stayed till 22:00, but on that evening fog prevented a fly back to Berlin and so he left 21:07 to take the night train - the bomb devastatingly went off 21:20. 13 minutes! Without the fanatic Hitler on top probably neither the Holocaust nor the attack on Russia would have been set in motion.
Some say not God but the Devil is behind these cruel coincidences ...
eltamin1966 2 years ago
Funny how the devil causes all the coincidences they dislike, whilst god causes all the ones they like - all whilst believing that god has all the power.
Religion has perfected double think to such a degree that it is almost beautiful.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago
I don't understand your quantum physics argument, are you arguing against gods plan, the idea of determinism or both? Nether of those need a human understanding for them to be true. I mean humans do not know the speed or position of a partial, but the partial still has a speed and position.
Nashy119 2 years ago
You must forgive me - I'm halfway through a good book on quantum mechanics, so I'm just getting to the part that explains this fully; but quantum physics suggests, and some physical evidence supports, the idea that nothing is "real."
There are apparently no "hidden variables" causing quantum rules. Every search for them, no matter how brilliant, has suggested they don't exist, and hence, there is no definite "real" reality. I've heard even string theory conjecture doesn't solve this problem.
SolRosenberg84 2 years ago
Another classic video! Really enjoyed that keep them coming pal!
philylennon 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
God put Hitler into power yes. However, God does not intervene in men's plots and ambitions to remove someone from power. Since afterall, He put them in power, He didn't set up a day for them to be killed.
JFK, Robert Kennedy, etc. God did not intervene during their times, why even bother thinking He would with someone like Hitler?
Your argument fails immediately when you realize this.
God's plan is perfect and all of our days are ordained before even one of them came to be.
smartwarlord 2 years ago
God intervene to put people in power but don't intervene to remove someone from power ... Why not ?
His argument fails when you realize what ? You said nothing that may seems like a realization.
"God's plan is perfect and all of our days are ordained [...]." How do you know that ? And if all of our days are ordained by God, why would that exclude the day of our death, the day a state man is killed or remove from power ?
anarkoFred 2 years ago 3
"God does not intervene in men's plots and ambitions to remove someone from power"
lol! Go read your bible, then come back and repeat that with a straight face.
Actually, the whole of your self-contradictory comment makes me think that you have not read the bible at all.
BohemianBlasphemy 2 years ago 3
So god put hitler in power. So I guess then god must be ok with what he did right, since god is all knowing and all. So I guess you're ok with what he did, since you claim his plan is perfect.
Also, if our days are ordained before even we were born, then I guess we don't have free will and adam and eve were doing what they were programed to do so then, why did god get angry at them for doing what they were programed to do?
Your logic is just laughable at best dude.
Krensharpaw 2 years ago 2
@Krensharpaw
What Hitler did was not right obviously. But that doesn't stop God from putting statesmen in power.
Do you not understand ordainment ? It means everything we do is already known. NOT PROGRAMMED.
Our volition exists, we choose things daily. But free will is not something we have, we do not have autonomy in that way, we have wills, they're just not free and all-powerful as we want.
Animals are programmed, Humans are not animals. We're not robots either.
Your comment is laughable.
smartwarlord 2 years ago