Uphold is like a re run ..... his ignorance superseeds his knowledge..... he told me to prove where egw verses where false and I proved it the he accused me for attacking......
Des ford is still SDA and the plagiarism charges are nonsense. The bible writers plagiarised. 14 of the verses in Jude are found in 2 Peter. Jude plagiarised from the pseudo book of Enoch. Who plagiarised who?? Des ford theology was way off coz he doesnt even blve in 6 literal day creation
Hwww.ellenwhite.info/criticisms-plagiarism.htmREAD ON WORLD,DONT LET BROTHER WALTER WHAT YOU SHOULD THINK OR KNOW ABOUT E.G.W . To find this info You first most COPY this link ,paste it on google,cut the capital H at the beggining of the link and pick the second choice of your results.Good luck brothers and sisters and God bless you all.
Legalism manifest to cling to any doctrine that is above its place. If anything supersedes Christ to Christ is manifested in faith, hope & love, anymore then that it becomes heretical, it becomes legalistic
Distinguish from root & fruit Root of Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit is always obedience, but obedience is not perfect because we are not, pray 4 forgiveness of trespasses, many things we offend not willing we all stumble
who is Walter Martin to judge EGW? LETS TALSK ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES HE got put in his place by mormons; lets talk obout how many time the guy you are cheering for here got married and remarried? and so on and on and on. Think about it
Hwww.ellenwhite.infoSLASHcriticismsDASHplagiarism.htm read for yourselves world,compare for yourself dont let this guy in this channel(MARTIN WALTER) tell you what you should believe,his moral life makes him a very unlikely candidate to do so or call another true christian like EGW evil, or a lier. GOD BLESS YOU ALL
EGW I believed was in violation to the word of God. Because of her violations her husband and 2 kids died of sickness. She was also ill for some time in her life. She innovated and regulated special diets, Yet she herself and her family were full of sicknesses. She became wealthy and had many writers to help her write her books. EGW was noted by several SDA members to take control of church services by accusing others of sin during the service, which is in direct violation to the bible.
@MyBountykilla YOU ARE IN VIOLATION TO THE WORD OF GOD. THE LORD SAID, YOU SHALL NOT BEAR WITNESS AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR, BUT YOU KEEP DOING IT AND FEARLESSLY THINKING YOU ARE DOING GOD A FAVOR. You are only misrepresenting the blessed experiences of Sister White when it comes to her trials of life. You are not bringing her life experience in their proper context. This is evidence that you are not reading her writings in their true light. May God have mercy on you...
@iiiEMOTIONiii dude i ain't hear from you in days.wow. if she was "falsely accused" why is there so much letters from her and her congregation of all the contradictions she has made. Did you even read the material I gave you. Those were stunning accusations buddy. You have not yet disproved those allegations yet you comeback on here with the same nonsense. Those allegations has to be dealt with first before you can even say that she was falsely accused of.
E.G.W. books are so deep it is impossible to dominate the topic in just months... no way. SDA's are not perfect but I find them to be the closest ever to truth. Now the problem with ewg writtings are for people who believe hell is on within earth,dead people dont really die,the rapture(secret one),and once you are saved always saved and cant never fail again and dont need to look at the decalog of God ;because she, like THE BIBLE exposses their dangerous teachings and beliefs.
@harpia1p EGW books will lead you DEEP into hell. The fact of the matter is EGW is not necessary to our salvation and since her office is questionable she needs to be left alone and her books. How can the SDA be "closest" to the truth but be against the bible. Hebrews 3&4 say we don't need the sabbath. Colossians also agree the sabbath is nothing. The countless quotes of EGW proves she is a false prophet not to mention the fact that she actually violated the scripture on many occasions
killa,Even the evangelist non adventist Jimmy swaggart says we need not only the sabbath but the whole 10commandms. And he is a saved by faith guy,may be wakter needs to talk to him and find out what is it that he has found to make him know these beliefs,Hebrews 3&4 does not refer to that, i have been in evangelical churches but got out of there and got right with God and I know SDA are the closest to the truth i believe in the law,and it is good. EGW just went to fourth grade...
@harpia1p That don't mean a thing, my sources say she continued with home schooling from her mother because she was involved in an accident and was injured for a while. Who is Jimmy Swaggart? If your gonna say someone says, you need to leave their quote.The sabbath is important but not in worship of the day but entering the eternal rest of God through faith. Jesus' commandments fulfill the ten commandments so indeed it's important but now we follow it through the Spirit and not works.
@MyBountykilla Jimmy is one of the pillars of the evangelicals;4squarechurch,church of christ etc,.. ok it dont matter, if you read the bible ,tell us what is SIN?
@harpia1p No not according the bible. Sinners are judged by the commandments. The just shall live by faith, galatians says if it is no by works its no longer by faith. So again the bible says I'm Justified, just as if i never sinned. I am not a sinner, I may sin but that is not my nature, If I continue to sin then I agree with the law that i'm a sinner. The bible in romans 7 says we are dead to the law so we can be joined to another.
Bunnykilla so you could easely cast the first stone to a sinful woman in front of Jesus ,right? you are free of sin even when the Bible tells us all men born from a woman are sinners and that is why you will die you know for you have a sin nature,but if you confess Jesus and repent you are apt to go whith jesus if we would be her now
@harpia1p The church must judge the church, thats what the bible says. It also says we are not to bring an accusation against an elder without 2or3 witnesses. did you ever read that? EGW had many witnesses against her according to the bible. Now that I answered your question what do you say same question.
@Bunnykiller brother you dont destroy the law in order not to find yourself guilty of sin, the doing of the law is the automatic result of the love for God;it is that simple i am not bodooing you here you cant say you love your country and then dishonor its laws;can you?for instance if you are the lord(accredited lawful loving holder of your wife) then who does she belongs to? to you;same with sabbath for example,see that simple you are getting it,and that is the real reazon of EGW dabates.
@harpia1p I'm not against the law but I am against those who think they know the word and preach falsehood. Read galatians 5 about the fruit of the Spirit. It says against such there is no LAW. Those who have the fruit no law can condemn then, Then read galatians 4:21-28 and tell me what you get from that, this how i know if you have wisdom or not
@MyBountykilla Sorry Walter you should sue Her, i smell cash in these videos of yours. hwww.ellenwhite.info/criticisms-plagiarism.htm I still dont beleive you will,,,however. aaahhhh one more thing, you just quoted the bible and so did bounty killer, so guilty as charged, also Paul quoted the bible;guilty to judge bunnykiller
@harpia1p why would i sue her, i don't care to take her blood money, she has caused millions to go to hell, i dont want any part of her defilement.I don't have a video of her but I do have alot of info.You must be a jamaican, one of my people. wise and crafty. I know how you think already.The bible says the church can judge the judge so I have the rite to judge EGW as long as she is of the church. read your bible and tell me I'm wrong. also tell me what Joel is talking about?
@MyBountykilla I want to see if you understand the bible since you want to defend EGW. What is 1corinthians 14 talking about when it say "let your prophets prophesy in 2 or 3 while others judge" find it and read it for me, tell me what u think it means, and also look up what Jesus said, "in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let every word be established" lets really get into some scriptures and see if your on the rite or wrong side and prove who EGW really is. hit me up soon
@MyBountykilla Remember she was not adventist when she began her visions but they are still good EGW did so she exposed her writings and vision to a lot of people no just 2 or 3,remember in order to boot EGW you must first boot the ten commandments that is changing the scriptures; T' J's tildes etc are yoiu ready for that my friend
@harpia1p dude perhaps you don't understand the scriptures as you think. corinthians 14 was saying that if prophecies are to come forth there must be 2or3 prophets prophesying one at a time while others judge. they had to see if it was from God or not. If EGW prophesied and others were present prophesying in accordance to what she was saying, that meant it was from God and not man.
Bunnykilla dont you think she most of beign sued by now and lost the contest if she was that bad of a thief at least,but even if she lost in court it is still not victory yet for the children of satan i mean every one talks about these writings in you tube based on Y.T. I sent a link for u can read and compare her books to the supposed copied ones but you just dont have time to read
@harpia1p Dude the link doesnt work and where did you get this link, is it from SDA church members, that wouldn't make it fair rite, since SDA have been known to change and edit EGW books over the years. I have material on her too, can I have your email so I can send it to u?
@harpia1p Dude the link doesnt work and where did you get this link, is it from SDA church members, that wouldn't make it fair rite, since SDA have been known to change and edit EGW books over the years. I have material on her too, can I have your email so I can send it to u?
@harpia1p So when God warned us about false prophets and we think that EGW is a false prophet, should we not question her according to the bible or should we listen to u? she was wealthy through her writings, she made some good money from the gospel.
Walter Martin is the false prophet. His allegations are shallow human reasoning falling short of indepth biblical knowledge. WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO IS SIMPLY MISREPRESENT THE WORK OF EGW. This man had the guts to speak and accuse, knowing but a few things about EGW that he can use, to destroy her reputation. I doubt his investigations fully exhausted the writings of EGW. What is more clear is that he is more opt into misrepresenting EGW's statements by not taking them in their proper context.
Well If the SDA follows the doctrine of the Trinity then they should allow know the function of the Trinity. God does nothing without His H/S, He is the H/S. It would seem the SDA picks and chooses what doctrines they want to follow. Someone stated that EGW was not a leader of the SDA and she refused ordination. My question is then, what qualifies her as a prophet? also what text of the Bible says women are major prophets? where are the other prophets that confirm the same visions as EGW?
Since SDA does accept the foundational doctrines of historic Christianity (The Trinity, Christ's true deity, His bodily resurrection, etc.) we do not believe that it should be classified as a non-Christian cult. Walter Martin
"doctor" these are very wick parameter to stablish a cult;Walter here thinks his church is the true one i mean what church preaches agaisn itself? then is your church a cult?
@harpia1p your a moron to think all churches are the same. The SDA follow different doctrines, doctrines that point away from God, that is the point of the video, to show what is not biblical and to show what a sect known as the SDA believe. In the 1800 the SDA made their own church and stepped away from the truth to create their own truth.
Thank you brother you seen affected by hate,but then again you might not know it since you can do so only by the revelation through the ten commandments of God. EGW writings are still in developments stages of understandings is my believe. The real issue though is the sabbath,just admite it brother,mean whilw explain us what is sin to the light of the bible... God bless you
@harpia1p No the real issue is EGW, You can't explain what colossians 2 is talking about. let no man judge u in food and respect of days(paraphrasing) So how is it the SDA omit this verse of the bible, they judge(condemn) people for not following the sabbath.wow. also hebrews says if God had given Israel rest,that's if they had mixed it with faith, then He would have no need to have spoken of ANOTHER day saying.....Today(meaning everyday) if ye hear the voice of the Lord the lord......
@MyBountykilla are you complaining about me judging you? you have call me moran and in other comments below you have called other brothers idiots a few times,,these are your assessment of your brethern,you think those names fits them... is that judging where you live??? her where i live (on earth)that is called judging.
@harpia1p according to the bible i am not a sinner. The bible calls me rightous, you remember the scripture that say, If the righteous are hardly save where does sinners and the ungodly come in.(paraphrasing)there's a difference.
@harpia1p Our church is the church, we never say we are the true church, we let God testify about Us like He did Jesus. We have signs, wonders and miracles. mean while others have "the commandments of men" but cannot even fulfill mark 16, these signs shall follow them......., with us there are thousands of EGW's because the Spirit is poured out on us like Joel says. For some reason EGW is the only one with the H/S in the SDA and is the only woman who can stand in church and prophesy
It is my conviction that one cannot be a true Jehovah’s Witness, Mormon, Christian Scientist, etc.,and be a Christian in the biblical sense of the term; but it is perfectly possible to be a Seventh-day Adventist and be a true follower of Jesus Christ despite certain heterodox concepts. Kingdom of the Cults Walter Martin pg 505
@MyBountykilla who has too much self-righteousness but those people who maintain their stance in BEARING FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THEIR NEIGHBOR? Wow? And you have the guts to call SDA self-righteous?
I'm sorry but you keeping an air of what you are charging Sister EGW & SDA people... you don't even have the humility to confess your false witness but you have nerve to call us self-righteous? Wow...
@iiiEMOTIONiii Dude I can tell you have no sense by the things you say. The bible says not to bear false witness but it also says do not rebuke and elder
without 2 or 3 witnesses. So false witness would be saying that I'm lying about someone. If however I and a few others have seen or heard this person do something wrong, that means it is now a true witness. I have mentioned that EGW had been quoted by many. That means she has been confirmed as a liar and it is no longer false
@MyBountykilla, IT SEEMS THAT YOU & OTHERS ARE ONLY OPT INTO ACCUSING PEOPLE. YET, YOU HAVE NO BASIS, ONLY EXCUSES & WORST USING THE WORD OF GOD TO TWIST MATTERS OF TRUTH.
You should listen when others tell you of what they believe until you have understood why they believe such things. THEN YOU CAN KNOW IF SUCH BELIEFS ARE IN HARMONY W/ THE BIBLE.
There is truly no end for this kind of conversations, especially when people aren't meek, and are very presumptuous w/out concrete evidence...
@iiiEMOTIONiii I asked you to give me your email address so I can send the info over to you, have you even done this yet? I have listened to you and you have called me a fool which is against Christ's commands. Yet you follow the Bible. If I was to provide anything concrete I would have to meet EGW for myself but guess what you have NO concrete evidence proving EGW is from God. If you knew TD was a fake and leading others to hell, would you do something about it?
@MyBountykilla I am oblidge to call you for being a fool, because you have been a fool? NOT IN THE SENSE THAT YOU ARE CRAZY OR MENTALLY RETARDED, but in the sense that you are closing your eyes from the TRUE CONTEXT OF SCRIPTURES which I helped you understand and for BEARING FALSE WITNESS AGAINST EGW without due process. You don't realize you are charging her a crime that she did not do don't you? That is how you are a fool. And don't tell me Jesus will not call fool's what they are to rebuke.
@iiiEMOTIONiii So If I bear true witness against my neightbor is that ok? what if I'm correct then it's now true witness rite? Corinthians says the church must judge the church. have you read that yet. It goes on to say that the church will judge angels. I charged her for being a false prophet which you have yet to disprove. according to my source, found on the internet, she has many claims which are anti-bible. that is my charge. I never said she killed anybody, I did say she is not from God
@MyBountykilla Stop being a fool, if you don't want to be called a fool. Simple isn't it? Stop telling me I have no evidence, for all the while I have shown more of willingness to help people understand how Sister Ellen is a messenger of God for the End-Time Church. THE EVIDENCE IS FROM THE SCRIPTURE ITSELF STUDIED PROPERLY. So don't be a fool for telling me I have no evidence... you have not understood what I shared, they are glimpses for your understanding. I will of course share more.
@iiiEMOTIONiii How is that evidence and scripture mentions nothing about her, let alone a major prophet as a woman. Your evidence is faulty simply because only you and your cult believes in it. You read the scripture and get a totally different meaning out of it than most christians and why, because you were brainwashed as a child to believe in this lie.If John the baptist came and spoke we would know he was from God but you have mnay people who heard her and said she is a liar and false prophet
@MyBountykilla I HAVE NOT YET FOUND THAT YOU WROTE TO ASK FOR MY EMAIL ADDRESS. SEND ME YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND I WILL SHARE WITH YOU WHY & HOW SISTER ELLEN WAS GIVEN THE GIFT OF PROPHECY.
Send you TRUTHFUL EVIDENCE at truthinstitute144000@gmail.com
@MyBountykilla Who is TD, there are many TDs in this world. I did not care to study people who leads other people to hell. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? AND I HOPE YOU ARE NOT AGAIN ACCUSING ANOTHER PERSON OF A CRIME THEY DID NOT DO. Is that really the work that your church has assigned you to do, ACCUSE PEOPLE, do you really think you are perfect enough to do such a task? IS THIS THE SPIRITUAL GIFT YOU SAY IS FROM GOD? Are you truly using your God-given intellect to seek TRUTH? INVESTIGATE!
@iiiEMOTIONiii I can accuse who I want to. remember when the people who rose up against Moses and God allowed the earth to swallow them up? well they knew Moses was from God, they had no excuse. They said, does God talk to Moses only. They were without excuse. However EGW is questionable. She is in err because the Bible mentions nothing about a woman being a Major prophet. I read that EGW used to confront people with sin in the congregation out loud, that's against Pauls writings!
@iiiEMOTIONiii So let me get this str8. I have quotes of EGW's contradictions were many people heard her "prophecies" yet I have no basis. wow, you are really in denial. How did I twist the word of God If you agreed with me that women are not to lead? Explain again how that EGW is so well received by the SDA yet she has no other prophets to confirm her visions and sayings according to 1corinthians 14. Maybe I need to slow it down with you because you can't seem to understand me. I
@MyBountykilla WHAT??? WAHAHAHA! ELLEN WHITE NEVER PREDICTED THE EXACT TIME OF CHRIST RETURN, SHE WROTE EXPLICITLY AGAINST SUCH A WORK IN SAYING TIME SETTING IS A SIN OF PRESUMPTION. Brother, you are making Ellen White look as if she is not studying or reading her Bible when it was your FALSE ALLEGATIONS make you a fool. YOU ARE A FOOL FOR NOT READING HER WRITINGS AND BELIEVING FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST HER SUCH AS THIS, IT IS PREPOSTEROUS!
Can you see now? Thou shalt not bear false witness!
@iiiEMOTIONiii that's a lie because the "great controversy" speaks on this issue of why Christ didn't come back on the set date. The bible says no man knows the hour or the minute. EGW was quoted to have prophesied many dates of Christ's return.QUOTED!!! If I be a fool for reading a person's quote and believe them then so be it. I say one thing from what I read and you say it ain't so yet you haven't even read from my sources. wow you amaze me, simple sense you don't seem to have.
@MyBountykilla WHAT????? WHAHAHAH... THE BIBLE SAYS YOU CANNOT HAVE THE LAW AND FAITH???? WHO TAUGHT YOU THAT?
I'm sorry but you are showing me that you have not read your Bible and studied them properly. I would be more than willing to help you study and review what the Bible says concerning LAW & FAITH. Common' don't be shallow, read & study your Bible first before you make conclusions like this. IT IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, I have to say that so you will go and check for yourself.
@iiiEMOTIONiii galatians 2:15-17. You really don't read your bible, either that or you obviously don't comprehend it. The bible says the works of the law no man shall be justified.only faith in J/C. Galatians 3:25, says were no longer under a school master(law) the law of Christ is what were under because now the H/S lives inside of us. In the O/T the H/S was only upon believers. Thats why the blood of Jesus was necessary. It allowed the H/S to now reside inside of us
@MyBountykilla WHAT? WAHAHAH... how could you keep me laughing? Women cannot be leaders? YOU HAVE A TOTAL WRECK OF MISCONCEPTIONS... who in the world are teaching you the Bible? Or are you making claims for yourself???
Only because of your desperation to put EGW down you are now willing to say that women are not called to leadership? BWAHAHAHAH too shallow my friend... way too shallow... SO YOU ARE ABOVE THE BIBLE NOW? Ok. But I'm sorry I do not believe in people's PRIVATE INTERPRETATION.
@iiiEMOTIONiii Women are not to speak in any church settings and according to paul are to ask questions at home. This is the facts, EGW accused people regularly of sin during church services. This is noted by SDA members! She would make it a regular practice to confront people of their sins. It is noted that ended up wealthy also. This proves that EGW was in violation of the Bible because in many occasions she has not only spoke out loudly but also usurped the Authority of leaders
#1 Know what EXACTLY was EGW's work & what EXACTLY did she write.
#2 No where in Paul's letters was the MORAL LAW set aside, rather we find Paul explaining its role in the issue of God's JUSTICE vs. MERCY. He explicitly instructed,
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." (Rom.3:31)
So what is the problem? IT IS HOW THE ANCIENT JEWS & PEOPLE OF TODAY UNDERSTAND THE ROLE OF THE MORAL LAW. They misunderstood Paul.
@iiiEMOTIONiii I don't agree with you. Sinply put the law served it's purpose, that's why Jesus came, to free us from the law's curse. Paul said sin decieved me and the law condemned him. he went on to say that it showed him what sin was. He didn't know sin until the law had said though shalt not covet. So that was the point of the law. to show us why God isn't with us today. sin is the problem and it's in our nature to sin. Christ's blood through repentance regenerates our spirit
#4 WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY IN PROPER CONTEXT THAT WOMEN ARE NOT CALLED TO THE LEADERSHIP? You are making up things for yourself. You are led to conclude this silly thought simply bcoz you are desperate to put a woman's work down, you are misrepresenting 1 Cor.14. Your conclusion is a contradiction to what the Bible teaches.
MAN IS TO BE THE HEAD NOT WOMAN. This does not mean women cannot be leaders or cannot be called to leadership responsibilities.
@iiiEMOTIONiii but according to you the SDA honors that because you have said that EGW wasn't ever a leader nor does the SDA promote women to leadership. You are contradicting yourself yet again.You mentioned in previous posts that SDA do not promote women to leadership or even eldership. Now your saying the bible doesn't say that women cannot be leaders. I didn't even say that, I said a woman shouldn't have authority over a man or teach men. wow, big difference!!
@MyBountykilla Send me here your email, and I will send you sources for you to study and investigate fairly before you bubble up words and make lying stories and false accusations. I AM PRETTY MUCH SURE THAT THE SOURCES THAT YOU WILL SEND ME ARE FABRICATIONS FROM THOSE WHO HATE SISTER EGW FOR WHAT SHE IS AS A PERSON. It is Satan's work to tear down, we fully know that. It's just sad that you are allowing him to use you with the same purpose...
@iiiEMOTIONiii if anything other than the SDA has quotes from EGW you will not believe. You don't care about the truth. If you check and find out that the SDA has been excluding original text from Mrs White's books because they seem contradictory then you would believe me. You need to see the original manuscript of the Great contraversy. If your people are hiding facts about EGW how will that help you understand what I'm talking about.
@MyBountykilla Sister Ellen is a human being. humbled through the grace of Jesus Christ. AND BY FAITH SHE HELPED LEAD THE PEOPLE TO DISCOVER "PRESENT TRUTH" from the Holy Scriptures. It was not Sister Alone who was instrumental in the progress of reformation, there was Hudson, Bates, Her husband, etc... IT WOULD TAKE YOU TO STUDY HISTORICAL FACTS TO UNDERSTAND, NOT FABLES & FALSE TALES from sources that you are drawing from. These people are respectable persons, MEEK, and humble people...
@iiiEMOTIONiii stop believing that lie. EGW is deffinately a false prophet. The site I gave you, if you look up the sources, you will find that they are authentic. they are from either EGW or a congregation member that had dealings with her in their lives. Exact quotes from people who knew her and were in church services with her. Her 2 kids and husband died from sickness, she also suffered severely from sickness. That's sounds like a curse to me, she cursed herself for her lies
@MyBountykilla LASTLY Joel 2 & Acts 2 do not contradict with 1 Corinthians 14 as you are making it appear that way because of your self-constructed conclusions. THE PROPHECY WAS ABOUT THE LAST DAYS THAT GOD WILL POUR OUT HIS SPIRIT AND THAT THE SONS & DAUGHTERS OF GOD'S PEOPLE WILL PROPHECY. Take note, it is God's people who will prophecy not those who are living to adhere with FALSE TESTIMONIES despite their knowledge of the truth. It continues that God will pour out His Spirit to HAND MAIDENS.
@iiiEMOTIONiii Still my point is where are the other EGW in the SDA, how come you only promote one woman to such a high regard and no one else. I've met SDA members all over and they all speak about EGW. I don't hear anything else about any other Prophet. Why? if the book of Joel is correct then you should be promoting new prophets all the time. The problem is that EGW is your only spokesman and she is not a good one. she had reportedly gone against the bible(SDA sources)
Her writings prove she's a prophet. No contradiction against Joel. It means that all those who understand and accept the light given her have received the benefits/blessings of her instructions, guidance, comfort and correction---the Bible-based TRUTH.
@Fidel6720 A person's writing cannot prove that they are from God.sorry. the way the person's life lines up with the bible is the only way. she did not line up simply because she was the only one of her kind when there should be millions of EGW's
@MyBountykilla That's a mere human standpoint. In the last days, there's no bloodline or line up in effect as to who would be prophets as there's no more Jew nor Gentile. She received the gift from God and she manifested a life/the qualities of a prophet.
@Fidel6720 How do you know this when she and her family had great sickness? her husband and 2 kids died from sicknesses. She supposedly made great advances in terms of diet. How does a prophets family die from sicknesses which is a sign that a person is out of the will of God. How do you also confirm that she is a prophet if she has reportedly spoken out loudly in church accusing others of sin, Paul specifically spoke against that! she would take control of church regularly
@MyBountykilla I know she's a human like Job. She was tested w/ difficult situations. I know that prophets are humans, too.At the of her life, she said, "I know in whom I have believed."
@Fidel6720 who cares what she said at the end of her life. what she said during her life is the problem.I think people don't take Christ's words seriously about false prophets. the word is used to measure the truth about a person.1st they have to admit that Jesus is Lord, then they have to submit to their authority(romans13) EGW said Jesus was not God in a quote. EGW spoke loudly in church settings accusing others of sin. this was against Paul's writings which violates the bible
@Fidel6720 So your telling me the letters people found by her, the one's the SDA attest belongs to her is false accusations? even the letters from her congregation that spoke of how she behaved in church meetings that is directly in conflict with Paul's writings about how women are to behave? Devorah,what scripture is that and was Devorah speaking to a multitude of people?that was my statement. Was there any women prophetess of the bible that were told to prophecy or teach a multitude
@MyBountykilla I read a lot of her books and I need to read more. I found nothing against the Bible. EGW was a plain woman. Read the Book of Judges chapter 4 & 5 concerning Devorah, the prophetess.
@Fidel6720 I read about Deborah, that was a good scripture you gave but it still doesn't confirm that EGW was of God.
1. She has been noted to have interrupted church services and accuse others of sin, Paul taught that women should keep silent it the church and ask questions at home. she violated that command.Also her prophecy about daniel and how Christ would come back in 1844 and 45 was wrong. investigative Judgment is not biblical, EGW doesn't lead u to the blood of JESUS
@MyBountykilla YOU ARE THE FALSE PROPHET. YOU BRINGING A MESSAGE WITH FALSE WITNESS... YOU ARE IN AN UNSEEN COURT, YOU CANNOT MAKE EXCUSES, GOD IS THE WITNESS, THE LAWYER FOR THE DEFENDANT (EGW), & THE JUDGE. IT WOULD DO YOU WELL IF YOU STOP BEARING FALSE WITNESS AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR BY WORKING TO FIND IN THEIR TRUE LIGHT THE WORKS OF EGW IF THEY ARE INDEED A TESTIMONY THAT COMES FROM GOD. MERCY, MERCY, MERCY FOR YOU WHO WORKS TO MISREPRESENT THE CHOSEN MESSENGERS OF GOD...
@iiiEMOTIONiii Wow I like how you speak on the behalf of God. You obviously misunderstand the bible. The bible says if you have an allegation against an elder you are to do it with 2 or 3 witnesses. EGW has been quoted by many witnesses, so how does that make it a false accusation? Those letters found were noted to be from EGW by even adventists. You said "IF" they are meaning there is room for question, so I'm not at all wrong because I don't believe she is from God
@MyBountykilla And you really think you are representing God with your false message? I have evaluated your materials, JUST AS I HAVE THOUGHT, ALL QUOTE SISTER ELLEN'S STATEMENTS SHORT OF THEIR PROPER LIGHT & CONTEXT. It is not unusual for people to take statements and use them to MISAPPLY and MISLEAD people from the true context of which the statements are excerpted from. You got a whole bunch of false witness from those info & you call that evidence? LIARS DON'T SPEAK OF THE TRUTH...
@iiiEMOTIONiii show me her whole quote then. how was her statements misapplied? when she was quoted to have accused people of their sins in church services did you think that was rite of her or not? so your saying there is no truth to the evidence against her?
@MyBountykilla READ IT YOURSELF, HOW IS SISTER ELLEN WRONG TO REBUKE ERRING BRETHREN WHEN GOD IS SHOWING HER TO CONVEY A MESSAGE OF REBUKE?
HOW ABOUT YOU WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY SHE IS A FALSE PROPHET? IS THAT YOUR AUTHORITY? ARE YOU A PROPHET YOURSELF TO DECLARE HER A FALSE PROPHET? DID GOD GAVE YOU A MESSAGE TO SPEAK AGAINST EGW ACCUSING HER OF FALSEHOOD?
EVEN WITH ONE EVIDENCE ALONE I CAN SHOW YOU HOW YOU ARE THE FALSE PROPHET.
@iiiEMOTIONiii Your such an idiot it's a shame. Your telling me I read her quotes out of proper context, well what is the context then? how else can I know what the context is if you refuse to put her quotes on here of what your talking bout so we can review it? Your the false prophet because you follow a false prophet. I gave u all the statements I had of her and u say i have read them out of context but refuse to show me how I read it out of context. Your such an idiot
@MyBountykilla FOOL, read according to your capacities... are you investigating or what? You can read the proper context of EGW statements online. USE YOUR COMMON SENSE. I don't have to spoon feed you, you are already spoiled by your preconceived opinions. IF YOU WANT JUSTICE READ THE PROPER CONTEXT. THERE ARE ONLINE INFO WHICH ANSWERS YOUR PETTY QUESTIONS & SILLY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST EGW. Investigate and weight the matters right. DON'T BE A CHEAT. DON'T BE LAZY. USE YOUR RESOURCEFULNESS.
@MyBountykilla FOOL, read according to your capacities... are you investigating or what? You can read the proper context of EGW statements online. USE YOUR COMMON SENSE. I don't have to spoon feed you, you are already spoiled by your preconceived opinions. IF YOU WANT JUSTICE READ THE PROPER CONTEXT. THERE ARE ONLINE INFO WHICH ANSWERS YOUR PETTY QUESTIONS & SILLY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST EGW. Investigate and weight the matters right. DON'T BE A CHEAT. DON'T BE LAZY. USE YOUR RESOURCEFULNESS.
@iiiEMOTIONiii It's not just online information about Ellen White. This is something that the SDA church needs to change. The book called "The White Lie" by Walter Rea shows how Ellen plagiarized, my friend. Paul rebuke Peter (Gal2:11) You don't want to participate in someone mistake because you'll stand before God for yourself. you need to consider the Pros and Cons before defending Ellen.
Why not spend a little money on "The White lie" book to see if SDA teach you those things.
@belojo2003.. Vincent L. Ramik, senior partner of Diller, Ramik & Wight, Ltd., a
lawyer who practices patent, trademark,and copyright law in Washington,D.C
Ramik,a Roman Catholic, spent more than 300 hours researching about 1,000 relevant cases in American legal history. He concluded his 27-page legal opinion with an unequivocal declaration:“Based upon our review of the facts and legal precedents.. Ellen White was not a plagiarist, and her works did not constitute copyright infringement/piracy.”
@belojo2003 Walter Rea - 'Don't you do to the Bible what I am doing to the writings of Ellen White or you will destroy the Bible, too." -Alden Thompson, quoted in The North Pacific Union Gleaner, February 1, 1982,p. 10....Simply put if you charge the Bible writers of Plagerism then the BIBLE IS A LIE..why? because the BIBLE is full of it too!!!
@upholdingthetruth So you would agree in front of Islamist and atheist that the Bible (Word of God) is full of plagiarism just to defend you Ellen White.
Plagiarism is intentionally stealing ideas and pass them as it was own by not crediting the source. It's an unethetical behavior. Do you really mean that those authors were copying ideas and pass them as God revelation
Ellen claimed that she all of her article were giving to her in vision(E.G W. Selected Messages Book1,pge27)
@MyBountykilla FOOL, read according to your capacities... are you investigating or what? You can read the proper context of EGW statements online. USE YOUR COMMON SENSE. I don't have to spoon feed you, you are already spoiled by your preconceived opinions. IF YOU WANT JUSTICE READ THE PROPER CONTEXT. THERE ARE ONLINE INFO WHICH ANSWERS YOUR PETTY QUESTIONS & SILLY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST EGW. Investigate and weight the matters right. DON'T BE A CHEAT. DON'T BE LAZY. USE YOUR RESOURCEFULNESS.
@MyBountykilla Mrs.Burdick? Is that what you call evidence? Did you hear what EGW has to say about the lying testimony of Mrs. Burdick? LIKE I TOLD YOU, YOU KNOW NOTHING OF EGW BCOZ OF YOUR BIGOTRY AGAINST HER & YOUR BIAS OVER HER CRITICS WHO WORKED ALL THEIR LIFE TO BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST HER. It is not unusual to find God's prophets are always attacked by malice & intrigue. You should investigate answers from her side of the court if you are to be the judge. You fall short of justice!!!
@MyBountykilla FOOL, HOW IS THAT IMMATURE? YOUR WITNESS IS FALSE, EGW HAS TESTIFIED SHE NEVER SAID WHAT MRS. L.B. HAD TESTIFIED AGAINST HER & THAT L.B. WAS LYING. DID YOU READ THAT RESPONSE EGW? OF COURSE YOU DID NOT, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT USING YOUR COMMON SENSE. That's understandable anyway since I don't expect you are the kind of person who will go as far to investigate with HONESTY & JUSTICE BEING A CONCERN. Have you heard what EGW has to say? OF COURSE NOT, YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO DO THAT.
@iiiEMOTIONiii Dude she had others who had things to say about her of the SDA. If more than one person has accusations, why the hello do i need to investigate any further. The fact that a fellow SDA member chose to go against her leader shows me EGW is not a friendly person. what info do u have that i don't so I can look it up? I done my research about her already, have you even seen those allegations before I even said anything to u? are U the lazy one here or me?
@MyBountykilla One thing is for sure, you don't know what the Bible teaches when it comes to WOMEN. And your EXTREMISM did not permit you to understand biblical context as you read Paul or perhaps other Scriptures. No wonder you are the worst of EGW's false witnesses, you have the guts to pronounce judgment but you lack education concerning her work, personality, and faith. ALL YOU ARE OPT TO DO IS ASSASSINATE THE CHARACTER OF GOD'S MESSENGER.
@MyBountykilla more and more lies? What more can put up against EGW? Are these the best you got? LIES? Wow...
AND YOU REALLY THING YOU DID YOUR RESEARCH BY READING MISREPRESENTATION AND LIES? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! So that makes you a wise man now??? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And that gives you guts to ACCUSE Sister Ellen of crimes she did not do???? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU DON'T TRULY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT HER. YOU ARE SO BLIND BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO BE BLINDED BY ALLEGATIONS & LIES...
@MyBountykilla ...so, if God would have you be the judge and told you investigate the PROPER LIGHT of Sister Ellen's statements that are drawn to destroy her reputation as a Christian and as His messenger of present truth. WOULD YOU DO GOD THE FAVOR? I don't see you have done that, what you did was collect information from CRITICS and MAKE CONCLUSIONS... HOW IS THAT FAIR AND NOT FALSE WITNESS? You are making out of yourself a liar. Now you can investigate what EGW has to say about your lies.
@iiiEMOTIONiii well wat should i have done ask egw herself? she would have something to say about my lies because people must've accused her everday of falsehood.
@MyBountykilla STUPID, EVERYTHING WAS WRITTEN, YOUR JUST LAZY TO READ THINGS IN THEIR PROPER CONTEXT. YOU SEE THE PROBLEM WITH YOU IS WHEN YOU ARE LED TO SEE TRUTH YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES THE MORE.
READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE WRITING AND ASK IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. ITS CALLED COMMON SENSE? BUT IF YOU DON'T USE YOUR BRAIN THEN YOU WILL REMAIN THE WAY YOU ARE, AND IF YOU DON'T ASK GOD FOR HELP THEN NOTHING CAN HELP YOUR CASE, YOU WILL BE JUST LIKE THAT, FOOLED TO BELIEVE LIES AGAINST EGW.
@iiiEMOTIONiii So I am stupid because I don't believe a false prophet huh? what is the proper context if EGW is in church prophesying and controlling the service when Paul says that woman should sit in church silent? If she was a leader and ordained she could do it ok, but you admitted to me in a previous thread that she refused ordaination and you went on to say that women are not ordained as leaders in the SDA. How come all of the church doesn't accept EGW?
@MyBountykilla How come all the Church doesn't accept EGW? IS THAT A SINCERE QUESTION? OR A CONCLUSION TO USE TO UNDERMINE SISTER EGW?
There are WHEAT & TARES, so don't be surprised that there are those who claim to be Christians, but are not, and their lies work for them their ruin. THEY FAIL TO GIVE JUSTICE TO THE TRUTH BY BEING PARTIAL. THEY CLOSE THEIR EYES TO OPPORTUNITIES FOR KNOWING THE TRUTH WHEN THEY ARE CONFRONTED & REBUKED BUT THEY READILY EMBRACE LIES AND MISREPRESENTATIONS.
@MyBountykilla Let's now be organized in your investigation. WHAT IS THE MOST CRUCIAL STATEMENT FOR YOU WHICH YOU THINK SISTER ELLEN MADE THAT CONTRADICTS THE PRINCIPLES & PRECEPTS OF THE BIBLE? Cite it out and then let's do justice with that allegation to find out the truth.
This should come honestly from your personal conviction, otherwise you are double crossing yourself for relying on false witnesses.
Cite them here now in following this comment thread...
@MyBountykilla AGAIN, EVERY ALLEGATIONS YOU MAKE ARE TO BE EVALUATED IN THEIR PROPER CONTEXT. 3 of your questions you can easily answer for yourself without having to accuse EGW a false prophet.
was she a leader? YES OF COURSE. BUT WAS SHE THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH? NO! Who does EGW say is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH? You will find her in full force of the thought teaching JESUS IS THE HEAD.
was she heading over the President? NO? Her position was in writing to convey God's message for the Church.
@MyBountykilla READ THE PROPER CONTEXT OF THE TESTIMONIES. That's how you will be able to understand that your questions are very SHALLOW when you will discern the TRUTH in proper perspective of her work and her testimonies for the Church. WHO SAYS YOU CANNOT REBUKE AN ERRING BROTHER OR SISTER WHEN GOD HAS COMMANDED YOU TO DO SO?
THIS IS ALL SHALLOWNESS OF MIND. A WASTE OF TIME & ENERGY. ANY PERSON WITH COMMON SENSE WHO ARE INVESTIGATING WILL FIND THIS WORK AN UNWORTHY INVESTMENT OF TIME.
Wow if you need someone else to tell you to follow the bible then your lost. EGW is not a prophet according to the Bible. The Bible says a prophet must prophesy in order of 2or3 witnesses. Nowhere in the Bible is a woman a Major prophet. You can read it through and through and there is no woman prophet that is called to speak to Israel or God's people. Joel goes on to say that God shall pour out His spirit upon ALL flesh, this is saying everyone can have the gift of prophecy not just EGW.
Ellen G. White is God's chosen messenger in our days. To enlighten people who are in darkness. To tell us that our faith and doctrine should be based in the Bible alone.
@Fidel6720 If EGW is God's chosen prophet then why does the Bible say a woman ought not to teach a man? Why is EGW the only prophet after Joel says God will pour out His Spirit on ALL flesh and your sons and daughters shall prophesy. Why isn't there any other major prophets of the Bible that are women? why does 1corinthians say that if we are to prophecy we are to do it in a group of 2or3 and others judge? EGW is clearly a false prophet and she has nothing to do with God.
Look, if the SDA want's to endorse EGW as a prophet guess what, give scriptures that prove who she is, she is called the last great prophet, what scripture backs this up? It is the burden of the SDA to prove to us who she is. The bible says that God will pour out His Spirit upon ALL flesh. What makes any one person so important? There are no more Jeremiahs and Isaiah's and just one prophet running around. We all through the Spirit have the same gifting's of the prophets of old. not just EGW
Jesus said, "unto you disciples I speak clearly but unto these people I speak in parables so that they may not hear or may not perceive what I say lest they should repent and be saved"(paraphrasing) God is not trying to save everyone, God wants people to come to Him with pure motives. How can the SDA think they can figure God out. Galatians says keeping the law is not of faith, only them that has faith is what pleases God. the law is of works. the law represents your own righteousness.
@MyBountykilla HOW IS THAT IN DESPERATION YOU SUDDENLY ATTACK ON FAITH & WORKS? LOL!!! Don't divert the topic. YOU ARE IN THE HOT SEAT, I WAS ASKING FOR YOU TO PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE AGAINST THE SISTER THAT YOU ARE ACCUSING OF FALSEHOOD.
Moreover, I am willing to help you understand this part of your question about FAITH, LAW, and RIGHTEOUSNESS...
And do you see? YOU ARE KEEPING YOUR SIN OF PRESUMPTION AGAINST EGW, AND NOW YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF BEING NEVER IN THE FAITH.
@iiiEMOTIONiii Are you seriously a moron? I asked you for your email so I can simply send you the info. You haven't even dared to do so because you know that what you'll read will destroy your faith in your god EGW. Once I show you your error you might flip your lid. You keep asking me to show you proof yet your the one who attest that EGW is from God. The burden of proof is on you and your own interpretation of the Bible is not helping me see that EGW is the real deal. are you 12?
@MyBountykilla STOP BEING A FOOL, YOU'RE SUCH A FOOL FOR CALLING ME A MORON OF WHICH I AM NOT... SERIOUSLY I AM BEGINNING TO THINK YOU ARE A MORON. I posted my email. LOOK FOR IT SINCE THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS AROUND HERE... DON'T BE A MORON OK???
@iiiEMOTIONiii You have got to be a moron if you twist almost everything I say. I said nothing about women cannot be leaders, i said women should not have authority over a man. You are helpless. If you cannot even understand my speech how can you understand the scriptures? EGW has prophecied in church settings out loud disturbing the church proving she was in error according to Paul's writings about women in the church. This is recorded by SDA memebers in the 1800's
Man, the announcer looks like a Pleiadian, from Ashtar Command of the Galactic Federation of Light, LOL! "THEY" are amongt "US" Boo Wee OOO!
ricogoldstar 1 week ago
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Uphold is like a re run ..... his ignorance superseeds his knowledge..... he told me to prove where egw verses where false and I proved it the he accused me for attacking......
jethro3232 1 week ago
@jethro3232 You are right. Uphold" is blind
belojo2003 1 week ago
ellen white info dot com. (one word) Walter rea was also wrong
bekisto82 1 week ago
Des ford is still SDA and the plagiarism charges are nonsense. The bible writers plagiarised. 14 of the verses in Jude are found in 2 Peter. Jude plagiarised from the pseudo book of Enoch. Who plagiarised who?? Des ford theology was way off coz he doesnt even blve in 6 literal day creation
bekisto82 1 week ago
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@bekisto82 ..I agree with you bro!
upholdingthetruth 6 days ago
we seventh day adventists do not think Ellen whites writing are higher than scripture just so every one knows
blademaster11121 2 weeks ago
Very strange why google does not display this site now... I wonder... ok lets try HWWW.ELLENWHITE.INFO
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
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Hwww.ellenwhite.info/criticisms-plagiarism.htmREAD ON WORLD,DONT LET BROTHER WALTER WHAT YOU SHOULD THINK OR KNOW ABOUT E.G.W . To find this info You first most COPY this link ,paste it on google,cut the capital H at the beggining of the link and pick the second choice of your results.Good luck brothers and sisters and God bless you all.
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
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Legalism manifest to cling to any doctrine that is above its place. If anything supersedes Christ to Christ is manifested in faith, hope & love, anymore then that it becomes heretical, it becomes legalistic
Distinguish from root & fruit Root of Christian is faith in Christ, trusting in Christ everything comes from that. Fruit is always obedience, but obedience is not perfect because we are not, pray 4 forgiveness of trespasses, many things we offend not willing we all stumble
game11221 3 weeks ago
who is Walter Martin to judge EGW? LETS TALSK ABOUT HOW MANY TIMES HE got put in his place by mormons; lets talk obout how many time the guy you are cheering for here got married and remarried? and so on and on and on. Think about it
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
Hwww.ellenwhite.infoSLASHcriticismsDASHplagiarism.htm read for yourselves world,compare for yourself dont let this guy in this channel(MARTIN WALTER) tell you what you should believe,his moral life makes him a very unlikely candidate to do so or call another true christian like EGW evil, or a lier. GOD BLESS YOU ALL
harpia1p 4 weeks ago
@harpia1p what are u talking about and what site is that?
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla go to that site and study then post
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@harpia1p sorry, the site didn't work. are u sure you gave me the rite one?
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
EGW I believed was in violation to the word of God. Because of her violations her husband and 2 kids died of sickness. She was also ill for some time in her life. She innovated and regulated special diets, Yet she herself and her family were full of sicknesses. She became wealthy and had many writers to help her write her books. EGW was noted by several SDA members to take control of church services by accusing others of sin during the service, which is in direct violation to the bible.
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla YOU ARE IN VIOLATION TO THE WORD OF GOD. THE LORD SAID, YOU SHALL NOT BEAR WITNESS AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR, BUT YOU KEEP DOING IT AND FEARLESSLY THINKING YOU ARE DOING GOD A FAVOR. You are only misrepresenting the blessed experiences of Sister White when it comes to her trials of life. You are not bringing her life experience in their proper context. This is evidence that you are not reading her writings in their true light. May God have mercy on you...
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii dude i ain't hear from you in days.wow. if she was "falsely accused" why is there so much letters from her and her congregation of all the contradictions she has made. Did you even read the material I gave you. Those were stunning accusations buddy. You have not yet disproved those allegations yet you comeback on here with the same nonsense. Those allegations has to be dealt with first before you can even say that she was falsely accused of.
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
E.G.W. books are so deep it is impossible to dominate the topic in just months... no way. SDA's are not perfect but I find them to be the closest ever to truth. Now the problem with ewg writtings are for people who believe hell is on within earth,dead people dont really die,the rapture(secret one),and once you are saved always saved and cant never fail again and dont need to look at the decalog of God ;because she, like THE BIBLE exposses their dangerous teachings and beliefs.
harpia1p 1 month ago
@harpia1p EGW books will lead you DEEP into hell. The fact of the matter is EGW is not necessary to our salvation and since her office is questionable she needs to be left alone and her books. How can the SDA be "closest" to the truth but be against the bible. Hebrews 3&4 say we don't need the sabbath. Colossians also agree the sabbath is nothing. The countless quotes of EGW proves she is a false prophet not to mention the fact that she actually violated the scripture on many occasions
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
killa,Even the evangelist non adventist Jimmy swaggart says we need not only the sabbath but the whole 10commandms. And he is a saved by faith guy,may be wakter needs to talk to him and find out what is it that he has found to make him know these beliefs,Hebrews 3&4 does not refer to that, i have been in evangelical churches but got out of there and got right with God and I know SDA are the closest to the truth i believe in the law,and it is good. EGW just went to fourth grade...
harpia1p 1 month ago
@harpia1p That don't mean a thing, my sources say she continued with home schooling from her mother because she was involved in an accident and was injured for a while. Who is Jimmy Swaggart? If your gonna say someone says, you need to leave their quote.The sabbath is important but not in worship of the day but entering the eternal rest of God through faith. Jesus' commandments fulfill the ten commandments so indeed it's important but now we follow it through the Spirit and not works.
MyBountykilla 4 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla Jimmy is one of the pillars of the evangelicals;4squarechurch,church of christ etc,.. ok it dont matter, if you read the bible ,tell us what is SIN?
harpia1p 4 weeks ago
@harpia1p Sin is anything that displeases God. unbelief, unforgiveness, pride and etc
MyBountykilla 4 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla abd how do you know that,please quote trhe bible
harpia1p 4 weeks ago
@harpia1p I f she is guilty then take her to court, sue her.
Now bro going back to the topic: are you a siner or not?
harpia1p 4 weeks ago
@harpia1p No not according the bible. Sinners are judged by the commandments. The just shall live by faith, galatians says if it is no by works its no longer by faith. So again the bible says I'm Justified, just as if i never sinned. I am not a sinner, I may sin but that is not my nature, If I continue to sin then I agree with the law that i'm a sinner. The bible in romans 7 says we are dead to the law so we can be joined to another.
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
Bunnykilla so you could easely cast the first stone to a sinful woman in front of Jesus ,right? you are free of sin even when the Bible tells us all men born from a woman are sinners and that is why you will die you know for you have a sin nature,but if you confess Jesus and repent you are apt to go whith jesus if we would be her now
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@harpia1p The church must judge the church, thats what the bible says. It also says we are not to bring an accusation against an elder without 2or3 witnesses. did you ever read that? EGW had many witnesses against her according to the bible. Now that I answered your question what do you say same question.
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@funny my bible says all sin and sinners will have to face the judgment of jesus,no the commandments
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@Bunnykiller brother you dont destroy the law in order not to find yourself guilty of sin, the doing of the law is the automatic result of the love for God;it is that simple i am not bodooing you here you cant say you love your country and then dishonor its laws;can you?for instance if you are the lord(accredited lawful loving holder of your wife) then who does she belongs to? to you;same with sabbath for example,see that simple you are getting it,and that is the real reazon of EGW dabates.
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@harpia1p I'm not against the law but I am against those who think they know the word and preach falsehood. Read galatians 5 about the fruit of the Spirit. It says against such there is no LAW. Those who have the fruit no law can condemn then, Then read galatians 4:21-28 and tell me what you get from that, this how i know if you have wisdom or not
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla Please defined sin by the bible
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@harpia1p Hebrew 11:1, without faith its impossible to please God......... you need anymore quotes?
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
again you are no defining sin acording to that book you read,The Bible
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla I meant if He would be here now
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@harpia1p the biblical definition of SIn is missing the mark, falling short of the glory of God.
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
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@MyBountykilla stop dancing around the definition..definition of sin is lawlessness.period.
upholdingthetruth 2 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla definition of sin by the bible please...
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla Sorry Walter you should sue Her, i smell cash in these videos of yours. hwww.ellenwhite.info/criticisms-plagiarism.htm I still dont beleive you will,,,however. aaahhhh one more thing, you just quoted the bible and so did bounty killer, so guilty as charged, also Paul quoted the bible;guilty to judge bunnykiller
harpia1p 4 weeks ago
@harpia1p dude what are u even talking about?
MyBountykilla 4 weeks ago
@harpia1p why would i sue her, i don't care to take her blood money, she has caused millions to go to hell, i dont want any part of her defilement.I don't have a video of her but I do have alot of info.You must be a jamaican, one of my people. wise and crafty. I know how you think already.The bible says the church can judge the judge so I have the rite to judge EGW as long as she is of the church. read your bible and tell me I'm wrong. also tell me what Joel is talking about?
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla I want to see if you understand the bible since you want to defend EGW. What is 1corinthians 14 talking about when it say "let your prophets prophesy in 2 or 3 while others judge" find it and read it for me, tell me what u think it means, and also look up what Jesus said, "in the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let every word be established" lets really get into some scriptures and see if your on the rite or wrong side and prove who EGW really is. hit me up soon
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla Remember she was not adventist when she began her visions but they are still good EGW did so she exposed her writings and vision to a lot of people no just 2 or 3,remember in order to boot EGW you must first boot the ten commandments that is changing the scriptures; T' J's tildes etc are yoiu ready for that my friend
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@harpia1p dude perhaps you don't understand the scriptures as you think. corinthians 14 was saying that if prophecies are to come forth there must be 2or3 prophets prophesying one at a time while others judge. they had to see if it was from God or not. If EGW prophesied and others were present prophesying in accordance to what she was saying, that meant it was from God and not man.
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
Bunnykilla dont you think she most of beign sued by now and lost the contest if she was that bad of a thief at least,but even if she lost in court it is still not victory yet for the children of satan i mean every one talks about these writings in you tube based on Y.T. I sent a link for u can read and compare her books to the supposed copied ones but you just dont have time to read
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@harpia1p Dude the link doesnt work and where did you get this link, is it from SDA church members, that wouldn't make it fair rite, since SDA have been known to change and edit EGW books over the years. I have material on her too, can I have your email so I can send it to u?
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
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@harpia1p Dude the link doesnt work and where did you get this link, is it from SDA church members, that wouldn't make it fair rite, since SDA have been known to change and edit EGW books over the years. I have material on her too, can I have your email so I can send it to u?
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@harpia1p So when God warned us about false prophets and we think that EGW is a false prophet, should we not question her according to the bible or should we listen to u? she was wealthy through her writings, she made some good money from the gospel.
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
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Walter Martin is the false prophet. His allegations are shallow human reasoning falling short of indepth biblical knowledge. WHAT HE IS TRYING TO DO IS SIMPLY MISREPRESENT THE WORK OF EGW. This man had the guts to speak and accuse, knowing but a few things about EGW that he can use, to destroy her reputation. I doubt his investigations fully exhausted the writings of EGW. What is more clear is that he is more opt into misrepresenting EGW's statements by not taking them in their proper context.
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii prove He is a false prophet. EGW is already proven a false prophet through her quotes.
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
Well If the SDA follows the doctrine of the Trinity then they should allow know the function of the Trinity. God does nothing without His H/S, He is the H/S. It would seem the SDA picks and chooses what doctrines they want to follow. Someone stated that EGW was not a leader of the SDA and she refused ordination. My question is then, what qualifies her as a prophet? also what text of the Bible says women are major prophets? where are the other prophets that confirm the same visions as EGW?
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
Since SDA does accept the foundational doctrines of historic Christianity (The Trinity, Christ's true deity, His bodily resurrection, etc.) we do not believe that it should be classified as a non-Christian cult. Walter Martin
moviewarehouseorg 1 month ago
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iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@moviewarehouseorg Neither christian nor un-christian cult. They are not a cult, believe me
harpia1p 1 month ago
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They are a cult. They claim to be the only true Church and all other churches are false. That is exactly the same claim as the Jehovah's Witnesses.
doctorh2005 1 month ago
"doctor" these are very wick parameter to stablish a cult;Walter here thinks his church is the true one i mean what church preaches agaisn itself? then is your church a cult?
harpia1p 1 month ago
@harpia1p your a moron to think all churches are the same. The SDA follow different doctrines, doctrines that point away from God, that is the point of the video, to show what is not biblical and to show what a sect known as the SDA believe. In the 1800 the SDA made their own church and stepped away from the truth to create their own truth.
MyBountykilla 4 weeks ago
Thank you brother you seen affected by hate,but then again you might not know it since you can do so only by the revelation through the ten commandments of God. EGW writings are still in developments stages of understandings is my believe. The real issue though is the sabbath,just admite it brother,mean whilw explain us what is sin to the light of the bible... God bless you
harpia1p 4 weeks ago
@harpia1p No the real issue is EGW, You can't explain what colossians 2 is talking about. let no man judge u in food and respect of days(paraphrasing) So how is it the SDA omit this verse of the bible, they judge(condemn) people for not following the sabbath.wow. also hebrews says if God had given Israel rest,that's if they had mixed it with faith, then He would have no need to have spoken of ANOTHER day saying.....Today(meaning everyday) if ye hear the voice of the Lord the lord......
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla we dont supress this verse you just have to go deeper
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@harpia1p well go deep with me, i'm curios to see what you think it means
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@harpia1p thank you for judging me, read matthew 7 guy
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla no problem...please difine SIN BY THE BIBLE
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla are you complaining about me judging you? you have call me moran and in other comments below you have called other brothers idiots a few times,,these are your assessment of your brethern,you think those names fits them... is that judging where you live??? her where i live (on earth)that is called judging.
harpia1p 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla I mean sinner? are you a sinner? sorry about the spelling
harpia1p 4 weeks ago
@harpia1p according to the bible i am not a sinner. The bible calls me rightous, you remember the scripture that say, If the righteous are hardly save where does sinners and the ungodly come in.(paraphrasing)there's a difference.
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@harpia1p Our church is the church, we never say we are the true church, we let God testify about Us like He did Jesus. We have signs, wonders and miracles. mean while others have "the commandments of men" but cannot even fulfill mark 16, these signs shall follow them......., with us there are thousands of EGW's because the Spirit is poured out on us like Joel says. For some reason EGW is the only one with the H/S in the SDA and is the only woman who can stand in church and prophesy
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@moviewarehouseorg is moviewarehouse your website?
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
It is my conviction that one cannot be a true Jehovah’s Witness, Mormon, Christian Scientist, etc.,and be a Christian in the biblical sense of the term; but it is perfectly possible to be a Seventh-day Adventist and be a true follower of Jesus Christ despite certain heterodox concepts. Kingdom of the Cults Walter Martin pg 505
moviewarehouseorg 1 month ago
@moviewarehouseorg Sorry, adventist ain't it. too much self righteousness there
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla who has too much self-righteousness but those people who maintain their stance in BEARING FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THEIR NEIGHBOR? Wow? And you have the guts to call SDA self-righteous?
I'm sorry but you keeping an air of what you are charging Sister EGW & SDA people... you don't even have the humility to confess your false witness but you have nerve to call us self-righteous? Wow...
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii Dude I can tell you have no sense by the things you say. The bible says not to bear false witness but it also says do not rebuke and elder
without 2 or 3 witnesses. So false witness would be saying that I'm lying about someone. If however I and a few others have seen or heard this person do something wrong, that means it is now a true witness. I have mentioned that EGW had been quoted by many. That means she has been confirmed as a liar and it is no longer false
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla, IT SEEMS THAT YOU & OTHERS ARE ONLY OPT INTO ACCUSING PEOPLE. YET, YOU HAVE NO BASIS, ONLY EXCUSES & WORST USING THE WORD OF GOD TO TWIST MATTERS OF TRUTH.
You should listen when others tell you of what they believe until you have understood why they believe such things. THEN YOU CAN KNOW IF SUCH BELIEFS ARE IN HARMONY W/ THE BIBLE.
There is truly no end for this kind of conversations, especially when people aren't meek, and are very presumptuous w/out concrete evidence...
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii I asked you to give me your email address so I can send the info over to you, have you even done this yet? I have listened to you and you have called me a fool which is against Christ's commands. Yet you follow the Bible. If I was to provide anything concrete I would have to meet EGW for myself but guess what you have NO concrete evidence proving EGW is from God. If you knew TD was a fake and leading others to hell, would you do something about it?
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla I am oblidge to call you for being a fool, because you have been a fool? NOT IN THE SENSE THAT YOU ARE CRAZY OR MENTALLY RETARDED, but in the sense that you are closing your eyes from the TRUE CONTEXT OF SCRIPTURES which I helped you understand and for BEARING FALSE WITNESS AGAINST EGW without due process. You don't realize you are charging her a crime that she did not do don't you? That is how you are a fool. And don't tell me Jesus will not call fool's what they are to rebuke.
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii So If I bear true witness against my neightbor is that ok? what if I'm correct then it's now true witness rite? Corinthians says the church must judge the church. have you read that yet. It goes on to say that the church will judge angels. I charged her for being a false prophet which you have yet to disprove. according to my source, found on the internet, she has many claims which are anti-bible. that is my charge. I never said she killed anybody, I did say she is not from God
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla Stop being a fool, if you don't want to be called a fool. Simple isn't it? Stop telling me I have no evidence, for all the while I have shown more of willingness to help people understand how Sister Ellen is a messenger of God for the End-Time Church. THE EVIDENCE IS FROM THE SCRIPTURE ITSELF STUDIED PROPERLY. So don't be a fool for telling me I have no evidence... you have not understood what I shared, they are glimpses for your understanding. I will of course share more.
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii How is that evidence and scripture mentions nothing about her, let alone a major prophet as a woman. Your evidence is faulty simply because only you and your cult believes in it. You read the scripture and get a totally different meaning out of it than most christians and why, because you were brainwashed as a child to believe in this lie.If John the baptist came and spoke we would know he was from God but you have mnay people who heard her and said she is a liar and false prophet
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla I HAVE NOT YET FOUND THAT YOU WROTE TO ASK FOR MY EMAIL ADDRESS. SEND ME YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND I WILL SHARE WITH YOU WHY & HOW SISTER ELLEN WAS GIVEN THE GIFT OF PROPHECY.
Send you TRUTHFUL EVIDENCE at truthinstitute144000@gmail.com
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla Who is TD, there are many TDs in this world. I did not care to study people who leads other people to hell. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? AND I HOPE YOU ARE NOT AGAIN ACCUSING ANOTHER PERSON OF A CRIME THEY DID NOT DO. Is that really the work that your church has assigned you to do, ACCUSE PEOPLE, do you really think you are perfect enough to do such a task? IS THIS THE SPIRITUAL GIFT YOU SAY IS FROM GOD? Are you truly using your God-given intellect to seek TRUTH? INVESTIGATE!
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii I can accuse who I want to. remember when the people who rose up against Moses and God allowed the earth to swallow them up? well they knew Moses was from God, they had no excuse. They said, does God talk to Moses only. They were without excuse. However EGW is questionable. She is in err because the Bible mentions nothing about a woman being a Major prophet. I read that EGW used to confront people with sin in the congregation out loud, that's against Pauls writings!
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii So let me get this str8. I have quotes of EGW's contradictions were many people heard her "prophecies" yet I have no basis. wow, you are really in denial. How did I twist the word of God If you agreed with me that women are not to lead? Explain again how that EGW is so well received by the SDA yet she has no other prophets to confirm her visions and sayings according to 1corinthians 14. Maybe I need to slow it down with you because you can't seem to understand me. I
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla, I will consider the issues you have with yourself and sum them up then I will help understand better:
#1 EGW never claimed to be a prophet.
#2 Righteousness is by faith alone, w/c inevitably produces genuine obedience Eph.2:8-10.
#3 The 2300 prophetic days of Daniel are fulfilled accurately it is not EGW's fabrication.
#4 Study Joel 2 & Acts 2 if you wish understand that women are also given the G.O.P.
#5 It is not only EGW who received visions during their time.
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii 1. If she never claimed to be a prophet who then confirmed her to be? God usually ordains leaders and prophets.
2. If righteousness is by faith ALONE why is the law even an issue with you when the bible says you cannot have the law and faith.
3. whose fabrication is it and why does EGW fail at it when she falsely predicted that Christ would come back and didnt if it was accurate?
4. Woman has the ability but are not called to leadership
5.who else then?
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
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iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla WHAT??? WAHAHAHA! ELLEN WHITE NEVER PREDICTED THE EXACT TIME OF CHRIST RETURN, SHE WROTE EXPLICITLY AGAINST SUCH A WORK IN SAYING TIME SETTING IS A SIN OF PRESUMPTION. Brother, you are making Ellen White look as if she is not studying or reading her Bible when it was your FALSE ALLEGATIONS make you a fool. YOU ARE A FOOL FOR NOT READING HER WRITINGS AND BELIEVING FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST HER SUCH AS THIS, IT IS PREPOSTEROUS!
Can you see now? Thou shalt not bear false witness!
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii that's a lie because the "great controversy" speaks on this issue of why Christ didn't come back on the set date. The bible says no man knows the hour or the minute. EGW was quoted to have prophesied many dates of Christ's return.QUOTED!!! If I be a fool for reading a person's quote and believe them then so be it. I say one thing from what I read and you say it ain't so yet you haven't even read from my sources. wow you amaze me, simple sense you don't seem to have.
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
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@MyBountykilla WHAT????? WHAHAHAH... THE BIBLE SAYS YOU CANNOT HAVE THE LAW AND FAITH???? WHO TAUGHT YOU THAT?
I'm sorry but you are showing me that you have not read your Bible and studied them properly. I would be more than willing to help you study and review what the Bible says concerning LAW & FAITH. Common' don't be shallow, read & study your Bible first before you make conclusions like this. IT IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS, I have to say that so you will go and check for yourself.
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii galatians 2:15-17. You really don't read your bible, either that or you obviously don't comprehend it. The bible says the works of the law no man shall be justified.only faith in J/C. Galatians 3:25, says were no longer under a school master(law) the law of Christ is what were under because now the H/S lives inside of us. In the O/T the H/S was only upon believers. Thats why the blood of Jesus was necessary. It allowed the H/S to now reside inside of us
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
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@MyBountykilla WHAT? WAHAHAH... how could you keep me laughing? Women cannot be leaders? YOU HAVE A TOTAL WRECK OF MISCONCEPTIONS... who in the world are teaching you the Bible? Or are you making claims for yourself???
Only because of your desperation to put EGW down you are now willing to say that women are not called to leadership? BWAHAHAHAH too shallow my friend... way too shallow... SO YOU ARE ABOVE THE BIBLE NOW? Ok. But I'm sorry I do not believe in people's PRIVATE INTERPRETATION.
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii Women are not to speak in any church settings and according to paul are to ask questions at home. This is the facts, EGW accused people regularly of sin during church services. This is noted by SDA members! She would make it a regular practice to confront people of their sins. It is noted that ended up wealthy also. This proves that EGW was in violation of the Bible because in many occasions she has not only spoke out loudly but also usurped the Authority of leaders
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla To be fair,
#1 Know what EXACTLY was EGW's work & what EXACTLY did she write.
#2 No where in Paul's letters was the MORAL LAW set aside, rather we find Paul explaining its role in the issue of God's JUSTICE vs. MERCY. He explicitly instructed,
"Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law." (Rom.3:31)
So what is the problem? IT IS HOW THE ANCIENT JEWS & PEOPLE OF TODAY UNDERSTAND THE ROLE OF THE MORAL LAW. They misunderstood Paul.
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii I don't agree with you. Sinply put the law served it's purpose, that's why Jesus came, to free us from the law's curse. Paul said sin decieved me and the law condemned him. he went on to say that it showed him what sin was. He didn't know sin until the law had said though shalt not covet. So that was the point of the law. to show us why God isn't with us today. sin is the problem and it's in our nature to sin. Christ's blood through repentance regenerates our spirit
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla ...continuation,
#4 WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY IN PROPER CONTEXT THAT WOMEN ARE NOT CALLED TO THE LEADERSHIP? You are making up things for yourself. You are led to conclude this silly thought simply bcoz you are desperate to put a woman's work down, you are misrepresenting 1 Cor.14. Your conclusion is a contradiction to what the Bible teaches.
MAN IS TO BE THE HEAD NOT WOMAN. This does not mean women cannot be leaders or cannot be called to leadership responsibilities.
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii but according to you the SDA honors that because you have said that EGW wasn't ever a leader nor does the SDA promote women to leadership. You are contradicting yourself yet again.You mentioned in previous posts that SDA do not promote women to leadership or even eldership. Now your saying the bible doesn't say that women cannot be leaders. I didn't even say that, I said a woman shouldn't have authority over a man or teach men. wow, big difference!!
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla Send me here your email, and I will send you sources for you to study and investigate fairly before you bubble up words and make lying stories and false accusations. I AM PRETTY MUCH SURE THAT THE SOURCES THAT YOU WILL SEND ME ARE FABRICATIONS FROM THOSE WHO HATE SISTER EGW FOR WHAT SHE IS AS A PERSON. It is Satan's work to tear down, we fully know that. It's just sad that you are allowing him to use you with the same purpose...
BUT LET'S INVESTIGATE FAIRLY AND FIND THE TRUTH.
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii if anything other than the SDA has quotes from EGW you will not believe. You don't care about the truth. If you check and find out that the SDA has been excluding original text from Mrs White's books because they seem contradictory then you would believe me. You need to see the original manuscript of the Great contraversy. If your people are hiding facts about EGW how will that help you understand what I'm talking about.
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla Sister Ellen is a human being. humbled through the grace of Jesus Christ. AND BY FAITH SHE HELPED LEAD THE PEOPLE TO DISCOVER "PRESENT TRUTH" from the Holy Scriptures. It was not Sister Alone who was instrumental in the progress of reformation, there was Hudson, Bates, Her husband, etc... IT WOULD TAKE YOU TO STUDY HISTORICAL FACTS TO UNDERSTAND, NOT FABLES & FALSE TALES from sources that you are drawing from. These people are respectable persons, MEEK, and humble people...
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii stop believing that lie. EGW is deffinately a false prophet. The site I gave you, if you look up the sources, you will find that they are authentic. they are from either EGW or a congregation member that had dealings with her in their lives. Exact quotes from people who knew her and were in church services with her. Her 2 kids and husband died from sickness, she also suffered severely from sickness. That's sounds like a curse to me, she cursed herself for her lies
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla LASTLY Joel 2 & Acts 2 do not contradict with 1 Corinthians 14 as you are making it appear that way because of your self-constructed conclusions. THE PROPHECY WAS ABOUT THE LAST DAYS THAT GOD WILL POUR OUT HIS SPIRIT AND THAT THE SONS & DAUGHTERS OF GOD'S PEOPLE WILL PROPHECY. Take note, it is God's people who will prophecy not those who are living to adhere with FALSE TESTIMONIES despite their knowledge of the truth. It continues that God will pour out His Spirit to HAND MAIDENS.
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii Still my point is where are the other EGW in the SDA, how come you only promote one woman to such a high regard and no one else. I've met SDA members all over and they all speak about EGW. I don't hear anything else about any other Prophet. Why? if the book of Joel is correct then you should be promoting new prophets all the time. The problem is that EGW is your only spokesman and she is not a good one. she had reportedly gone against the bible(SDA sources)
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
Her writings prove she's a prophet. No contradiction against Joel. It means that all those who understand and accept the light given her have received the benefits/blessings of her instructions, guidance, comfort and correction---the Bible-based TRUTH.
Fidel6720 1 month ago
@Fidel6720 A person's writing cannot prove that they are from God.sorry. the way the person's life lines up with the bible is the only way. she did not line up simply because she was the only one of her kind when there should be millions of EGW's
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
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@MyBountykilla That's a mere human standpoint. In the last days, there's no bloodline or line up in effect as to who would be prophets as there's no more Jew nor Gentile. She received the gift from God and she manifested a life/the qualities of a prophet.
Fidel6720 1 month ago
@Fidel6720 How do you know this when she and her family had great sickness? her husband and 2 kids died from sicknesses. She supposedly made great advances in terms of diet. How does a prophets family die from sicknesses which is a sign that a person is out of the will of God. How do you also confirm that she is a prophet if she has reportedly spoken out loudly in church accusing others of sin, Paul specifically spoke against that! she would take control of church regularly
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla I know she's a human like Job. She was tested w/ difficult situations. I know that prophets are humans, too.At the of her life, she said, "I know in whom I have believed."
Fidel6720 1 month ago
@Fidel6720 who cares what she said at the end of her life. what she said during her life is the problem.I think people don't take Christ's words seriously about false prophets. the word is used to measure the truth about a person.1st they have to admit that Jesus is Lord, then they have to submit to their authority(romans13) EGW said Jesus was not God in a quote. EGW spoke loudly in church settings accusing others of sin. this was against Paul's writings which violates the bible
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla In the contrary she's the one falsely accused. Devorah in the Old Testament is also a woman yet she was a prophetess.
Fidel6720 1 month ago
@Fidel6720 So your telling me the letters people found by her, the one's the SDA attest belongs to her is false accusations? even the letters from her congregation that spoke of how she behaved in church meetings that is directly in conflict with Paul's writings about how women are to behave? Devorah,what scripture is that and was Devorah speaking to a multitude of people?that was my statement. Was there any women prophetess of the bible that were told to prophecy or teach a multitude
MyBountykilla 4 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla I read a lot of her books and I need to read more. I found nothing against the Bible. EGW was a plain woman. Read the Book of Judges chapter 4 & 5 concerning Devorah, the prophetess.
Fidel6720 4 weeks ago
@Fidel6720 I read about Deborah, that was a good scripture you gave but it still doesn't confirm that EGW was of God.
1. She has been noted to have interrupted church services and accuse others of sin, Paul taught that women should keep silent it the church and ask questions at home. she violated that command.Also her prophecy about daniel and how Christ would come back in 1844 and 45 was wrong. investigative Judgment is not biblical, EGW doesn't lead u to the blood of JESUS
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla I read a lot of comments here by some SDA's and I agree with them. I have just learned that you don't really know who EGW is.
Fidel6720 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla YOU ARE THE FALSE PROPHET. YOU BRINGING A MESSAGE WITH FALSE WITNESS... YOU ARE IN AN UNSEEN COURT, YOU CANNOT MAKE EXCUSES, GOD IS THE WITNESS, THE LAWYER FOR THE DEFENDANT (EGW), & THE JUDGE. IT WOULD DO YOU WELL IF YOU STOP BEARING FALSE WITNESS AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR BY WORKING TO FIND IN THEIR TRUE LIGHT THE WORKS OF EGW IF THEY ARE INDEED A TESTIMONY THAT COMES FROM GOD. MERCY, MERCY, MERCY FOR YOU WHO WORKS TO MISREPRESENT THE CHOSEN MESSENGERS OF GOD...
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii Wow I like how you speak on the behalf of God. You obviously misunderstand the bible. The bible says if you have an allegation against an elder you are to do it with 2 or 3 witnesses. EGW has been quoted by many witnesses, so how does that make it a false accusation? Those letters found were noted to be from EGW by even adventists. You said "IF" they are meaning there is room for question, so I'm not at all wrong because I don't believe she is from God
MyBountykilla 4 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla And you really think you are representing God with your false message? I have evaluated your materials, JUST AS I HAVE THOUGHT, ALL QUOTE SISTER ELLEN'S STATEMENTS SHORT OF THEIR PROPER LIGHT & CONTEXT. It is not unusual for people to take statements and use them to MISAPPLY and MISLEAD people from the true context of which the statements are excerpted from. You got a whole bunch of false witness from those info & you call that evidence? LIARS DON'T SPEAK OF THE TRUTH...
iiiEMOTIONiii 4 weeks ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii show me her whole quote then. how was her statements misapplied? when she was quoted to have accused people of their sins in church services did you think that was rite of her or not? so your saying there is no truth to the evidence against her?
MyBountykilla 4 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla READ IT YOURSELF, HOW IS SISTER ELLEN WRONG TO REBUKE ERRING BRETHREN WHEN GOD IS SHOWING HER TO CONVEY A MESSAGE OF REBUKE?
HOW ABOUT YOU WHAT RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY SHE IS A FALSE PROPHET? IS THAT YOUR AUTHORITY? ARE YOU A PROPHET YOURSELF TO DECLARE HER A FALSE PROPHET? DID GOD GAVE YOU A MESSAGE TO SPEAK AGAINST EGW ACCUSING HER OF FALSEHOOD?
EVEN WITH ONE EVIDENCE ALONE I CAN SHOW YOU HOW YOU ARE THE FALSE PROPHET.
EVIDENCE: MISUSE OF STATEMENT APART FROM CONTEXT.
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 weeks ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii Your such an idiot it's a shame. Your telling me I read her quotes out of proper context, well what is the context then? how else can I know what the context is if you refuse to put her quotes on here of what your talking bout so we can review it? Your the false prophet because you follow a false prophet. I gave u all the statements I had of her and u say i have read them out of context but refuse to show me how I read it out of context. Your such an idiot
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla FOOL, read according to your capacities... are you investigating or what? You can read the proper context of EGW statements online. USE YOUR COMMON SENSE. I don't have to spoon feed you, you are already spoiled by your preconceived opinions. IF YOU WANT JUSTICE READ THE PROPER CONTEXT. THERE ARE ONLINE INFO WHICH ANSWERS YOUR PETTY QUESTIONS & SILLY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST EGW. Investigate and weight the matters right. DON'T BE A CHEAT. DON'T BE LAZY. USE YOUR RESOURCEFULNESS.
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla FOOL, read according to your capacities... are you investigating or what? You can read the proper context of EGW statements online. USE YOUR COMMON SENSE. I don't have to spoon feed you, you are already spoiled by your preconceived opinions. IF YOU WANT JUSTICE READ THE PROPER CONTEXT. THERE ARE ONLINE INFO WHICH ANSWERS YOUR PETTY QUESTIONS & SILLY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST EGW. Investigate and weight the matters right. DON'T BE A CHEAT. DON'T BE LAZY. USE YOUR RESOURCEFULNESS.
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 weeks ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii It's not just online information about Ellen White. This is something that the SDA church needs to change. The book called "The White Lie" by Walter Rea shows how Ellen plagiarized, my friend. Paul rebuke Peter (Gal2:11) You don't want to participate in someone mistake because you'll stand before God for yourself. you need to consider the Pros and Cons before defending Ellen.
Why not spend a little money on "The White lie" book to see if SDA teach you those things.
belojo2003 2 weeks ago
@belojo2003.. Vincent L. Ramik, senior partner of Diller, Ramik & Wight, Ltd., a
lawyer who practices patent, trademark,and copyright law in Washington,D.C
Ramik,a Roman Catholic, spent more than 300 hours researching about 1,000 relevant cases in American legal history. He concluded his 27-page legal opinion with an unequivocal declaration:“Based upon our review of the facts and legal precedents.. Ellen White was not a plagiarist, and her works did not constitute copyright infringement/piracy.”
upholdingthetruth 1 week ago
@belojo2003 Walter Rea - 'Don't you do to the Bible what I am doing to the writings of Ellen White or you will destroy the Bible, too." -Alden Thompson, quoted in The North Pacific Union Gleaner, February 1, 1982,p. 10....Simply put if you charge the Bible writers of Plagerism then the BIBLE IS A LIE..why? because the BIBLE is full of it too!!!
upholdingthetruth 1 week ago
@belojo2003 Bible writers borrowed from contempraries....so your plagerism charges against EGW falls flat!..
upholdingthetruth 1 week ago
@upholdingthetruth So you would agree in front of Islamist and atheist that the Bible (Word of God) is full of plagiarism just to defend you Ellen White.
Plagiarism is intentionally stealing ideas and pass them as it was own by not crediting the source. It's an unethetical behavior. Do you really mean that those authors were copying ideas and pass them as God revelation
Ellen claimed that she all of her article were giving to her in vision(E.G W. Selected Messages Book1,pge27)
belojo2003 1 week ago
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@MyBountykilla FOOL, read according to your capacities... are you investigating or what? You can read the proper context of EGW statements online. USE YOUR COMMON SENSE. I don't have to spoon feed you, you are already spoiled by your preconceived opinions. IF YOU WANT JUSTICE READ THE PROPER CONTEXT. THERE ARE ONLINE INFO WHICH ANSWERS YOUR PETTY QUESTIONS & SILLY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST EGW. Investigate and weight the matters right. DON'T BE A CHEAT. DON'T BE LAZY. USE YOUR RESOURCEFULNESS.
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla Mrs.Burdick? Is that what you call evidence? Did you hear what EGW has to say about the lying testimony of Mrs. Burdick? LIKE I TOLD YOU, YOU KNOW NOTHING OF EGW BCOZ OF YOUR BIGOTRY AGAINST HER & YOUR BIAS OVER HER CRITICS WHO WORKED ALL THEIR LIFE TO BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST HER. It is not unusual to find God's prophets are always attacked by malice & intrigue. You should investigate answers from her side of the court if you are to be the judge. You fall short of justice!!!
iiiEMOTIONiii 4 weeks ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii so u basically shut the the other person to make egw look good, wow thats immatuer
MyBountykilla 4 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla FOOL, HOW IS THAT IMMATURE? YOUR WITNESS IS FALSE, EGW HAS TESTIFIED SHE NEVER SAID WHAT MRS. L.B. HAD TESTIFIED AGAINST HER & THAT L.B. WAS LYING. DID YOU READ THAT RESPONSE EGW? OF COURSE YOU DID NOT, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT USING YOUR COMMON SENSE. That's understandable anyway since I don't expect you are the kind of person who will go as far to investigate with HONESTY & JUSTICE BEING A CONCERN. Have you heard what EGW has to say? OF COURSE NOT, YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO DO THAT.
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 weeks ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii Dude she had others who had things to say about her of the SDA. If more than one person has accusations, why the hello do i need to investigate any further. The fact that a fellow SDA member chose to go against her leader shows me EGW is not a friendly person. what info do u have that i don't so I can look it up? I done my research about her already, have you even seen those allegations before I even said anything to u? are U the lazy one here or me?
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla One thing is for sure, you don't know what the Bible teaches when it comes to WOMEN. And your EXTREMISM did not permit you to understand biblical context as you read Paul or perhaps other Scriptures. No wonder you are the worst of EGW's false witnesses, you have the guts to pronounce judgment but you lack education concerning her work, personality, and faith. ALL YOU ARE OPT TO DO IS ASSASSINATE THE CHARACTER OF GOD'S MESSENGER.
How does that NOT make you a false prophet?
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla more and more lies? What more can put up against EGW? Are these the best you got? LIES? Wow...
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla more and more lies? What more can put up against EGW? Are these the best you got? LIES? Wow...
AND YOU REALLY THING YOU DID YOUR RESEARCH BY READING MISREPRESENTATION AND LIES? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! So that makes you a wise man now??? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And that gives you guts to ACCUSE Sister Ellen of crimes she did not do???? WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU DON'T TRULY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT HER. YOU ARE SO BLIND BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO BE BLINDED BY ALLEGATIONS & LIES...
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla ...so, if God would have you be the judge and told you investigate the PROPER LIGHT of Sister Ellen's statements that are drawn to destroy her reputation as a Christian and as His messenger of present truth. WOULD YOU DO GOD THE FAVOR? I don't see you have done that, what you did was collect information from CRITICS and MAKE CONCLUSIONS... HOW IS THAT FAIR AND NOT FALSE WITNESS? You are making out of yourself a liar. Now you can investigate what EGW has to say about your lies.
iiiEMOTIONiii 4 weeks ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii well wat should i have done ask egw herself? she would have something to say about my lies because people must've accused her everday of falsehood.
MyBountykilla 4 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla STUPID, EVERYTHING WAS WRITTEN, YOUR JUST LAZY TO READ THINGS IN THEIR PROPER CONTEXT. YOU SEE THE PROBLEM WITH YOU IS WHEN YOU ARE LED TO SEE TRUTH YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES THE MORE.
READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT SHE WRITING AND ASK IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. ITS CALLED COMMON SENSE? BUT IF YOU DON'T USE YOUR BRAIN THEN YOU WILL REMAIN THE WAY YOU ARE, AND IF YOU DON'T ASK GOD FOR HELP THEN NOTHING CAN HELP YOUR CASE, YOU WILL BE JUST LIKE THAT, FOOLED TO BELIEVE LIES AGAINST EGW.
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 weeks ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii So I am stupid because I don't believe a false prophet huh? what is the proper context if EGW is in church prophesying and controlling the service when Paul says that woman should sit in church silent? If she was a leader and ordained she could do it ok, but you admitted to me in a previous thread that she refused ordaination and you went on to say that women are not ordained as leaders in the SDA. How come all of the church doesn't accept EGW?
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla How come all the Church doesn't accept EGW? IS THAT A SINCERE QUESTION? OR A CONCLUSION TO USE TO UNDERMINE SISTER EGW?
There are WHEAT & TARES, so don't be surprised that there are those who claim to be Christians, but are not, and their lies work for them their ruin. THEY FAIL TO GIVE JUSTICE TO THE TRUTH BY BEING PARTIAL. THEY CLOSE THEIR EYES TO OPPORTUNITIES FOR KNOWING THE TRUTH WHEN THEY ARE CONFRONTED & REBUKED BUT THEY READILY EMBRACE LIES AND MISREPRESENTATIONS.
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla Let's now be organized in your investigation. WHAT IS THE MOST CRUCIAL STATEMENT FOR YOU WHICH YOU THINK SISTER ELLEN MADE THAT CONTRADICTS THE PRINCIPLES & PRECEPTS OF THE BIBLE? Cite it out and then let's do justice with that allegation to find out the truth.
This should come honestly from your personal conviction, otherwise you are double crossing yourself for relying on false witnesses.
Cite them here now in following this comment thread...
iiiEMOTIONiii 4 weeks ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii ok i can see u are on something. I just want to make sure I understand u.
1.do you have the complete statements of EGW since u said I had them out of context?
2. was EGW a leader or not, did she have a congregation?
3. was any of the material I gave u about her true?
egw was stated to have interrupted church meetings to accuse people of sin, is this true or not?
MyBountykilla 4 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla AGAIN, EVERY ALLEGATIONS YOU MAKE ARE TO BE EVALUATED IN THEIR PROPER CONTEXT. 3 of your questions you can easily answer for yourself without having to accuse EGW a false prophet.
was she a leader? YES OF COURSE. BUT WAS SHE THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH? NO! Who does EGW say is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH? You will find her in full force of the thought teaching JESUS IS THE HEAD.
was she heading over the President? NO? Her position was in writing to convey God's message for the Church.
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 weeks ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii dude your an idiot
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@MyBountykilla READ THE PROPER CONTEXT OF THE TESTIMONIES. That's how you will be able to understand that your questions are very SHALLOW when you will discern the TRUTH in proper perspective of her work and her testimonies for the Church. WHO SAYS YOU CANNOT REBUKE AN ERRING BROTHER OR SISTER WHEN GOD HAS COMMANDED YOU TO DO SO?
THIS IS ALL SHALLOWNESS OF MIND. A WASTE OF TIME & ENERGY. ANY PERSON WITH COMMON SENSE WHO ARE INVESTIGATING WILL FIND THIS WORK AN UNWORTHY INVESTMENT OF TIME.
iiiEMOTIONiii 3 weeks ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii No a woman is not to speak in the churches, and to rebuke more than one brother in church to.wow.
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
@Fidel6720 ok but who else has the gift, why is she the only noted prophetess?
MyBountykilla 3 weeks ago
Wow if you need someone else to tell you to follow the bible then your lost. EGW is not a prophet according to the Bible. The Bible says a prophet must prophesy in order of 2or3 witnesses. Nowhere in the Bible is a woman a Major prophet. You can read it through and through and there is no woman prophet that is called to speak to Israel or God's people. Joel goes on to say that God shall pour out His spirit upon ALL flesh, this is saying everyone can have the gift of prophecy not just EGW.
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
Ellen G. White is God's chosen messenger in our days. To enlighten people who are in darkness. To tell us that our faith and doctrine should be based in the Bible alone.
Fidel6720 1 month ago
@Fidel6720 If EGW is God's chosen prophet then why does the Bible say a woman ought not to teach a man? Why is EGW the only prophet after Joel says God will pour out His Spirit on ALL flesh and your sons and daughters shall prophesy. Why isn't there any other major prophets of the Bible that are women? why does 1corinthians say that if we are to prophecy we are to do it in a group of 2or3 and others judge? EGW is clearly a false prophet and she has nothing to do with God.
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
Look, if the SDA want's to endorse EGW as a prophet guess what, give scriptures that prove who she is, she is called the last great prophet, what scripture backs this up? It is the burden of the SDA to prove to us who she is. The bible says that God will pour out His Spirit upon ALL flesh. What makes any one person so important? There are no more Jeremiahs and Isaiah's and just one prophet running around. We all through the Spirit have the same gifting's of the prophets of old. not just EGW
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
Jesus said, "unto you disciples I speak clearly but unto these people I speak in parables so that they may not hear or may not perceive what I say lest they should repent and be saved"(paraphrasing) God is not trying to save everyone, God wants people to come to Him with pure motives. How can the SDA think they can figure God out. Galatians says keeping the law is not of faith, only them that has faith is what pleases God. the law is of works. the law represents your own righteousness.
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla HOW IS THAT IN DESPERATION YOU SUDDENLY ATTACK ON FAITH & WORKS? LOL!!! Don't divert the topic. YOU ARE IN THE HOT SEAT, I WAS ASKING FOR YOU TO PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE AGAINST THE SISTER THAT YOU ARE ACCUSING OF FALSEHOOD.
Moreover, I am willing to help you understand this part of your question about FAITH, LAW, and RIGHTEOUSNESS...
And do you see? YOU ARE KEEPING YOUR SIN OF PRESUMPTION AGAINST EGW, AND NOW YOU ARE ACCUSING ME OF BEING NEVER IN THE FAITH.
LOL! (shaking head)
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii Are you seriously a moron? I asked you for your email so I can simply send you the info. You haven't even dared to do so because you know that what you'll read will destroy your faith in your god EGW. Once I show you your error you might flip your lid. You keep asking me to show you proof yet your the one who attest that EGW is from God. The burden of proof is on you and your own interpretation of the Bible is not helping me see that EGW is the real deal. are you 12?
MyBountykilla 1 month ago
@MyBountykilla STOP BEING A FOOL, YOU'RE SUCH A FOOL FOR CALLING ME A MORON OF WHICH I AM NOT... SERIOUSLY I AM BEGINNING TO THINK YOU ARE A MORON. I posted my email. LOOK FOR IT SINCE THERE'S A LOT OF COMMENTS AROUND HERE... DON'T BE A MORON OK???
iiiEMOTIONiii 1 month ago
@iiiEMOTIONiii You have got to be a moron if you twist almost everything I say. I said nothing about women cannot be leaders, i said women should not have authority over a man. You are helpless. If you cannot even understand my speech how can you understand the scriptures? EGW has prophecied in church settings out loud disturbing the church proving she was in error according to Paul's writings about women in the church. This is recorded by SDA memebers in the 1800's
MyBountykilla 1 month ago