Is Steve Slate Drums better more for replacement of drums or just enhancement or both? By enhancing i mean taking an original acoustic recorded drum track that I've done and then using SSD samples for enhancing?
@kylejackson54 Commonly Steven Slate drums are used for replacing. I don't have a drum set or mic setup to even think about doing that, so I'm really happy just writing them out on my computer. It all comes down to how well you can write them so they sound real.
slate drums generally should be kept below 75% on the dynamics otherwise they tend to sound a bit like hitting a box. the lower velocity samples are lush and have a much nicer tone. also the dynamics come out more when your not playing at full power. cymbals are not affected as much but the drums really need to be kept below the 75 - 65% mark
Yep, that's the SSD sound, every kit sounds pretty much the same even though there are about 40 different ones and all very processed, useful for some music. Superior definitely sounds better and more professional, and there are more micing options, lots of overheads and room micing. Addictive sounds great too, very easy to use and quick to load. A newcomer is Infinite Player's Studio Drummer, offering 3 kits with lots of settings and the drums sound fantastic.
@rhythmantic Someone who agrees with what I'm saying....SSD is pretty much all clicky or floppy kicks and splatty snares. It has that processed, mid 2000's butt-rock radio sound all over it--and it only does THAT sound. Personally I prefer not to be tied to everything sounding like "Nevermind" or the "Black Album" so I bought Superior to have high quality, raw and clean samples, a combination of classic and modern kits, a unified interface and a high number of expansions.
@ShivaTheAuspicious I'm interested in hearing SSD 4.0. Sweetwater's latest catalog has it for sale, ($300) but I've not seen any sign of it on the net to check out any kind of demos. It's advertised as having been rebuilt from scratch featuring unprocessed kits.
@rhythmantic There's a few on gearslutz and the andy sneap forum. Both have their own threads for SSD 4.0 where Slate posted some samples and a few others from the beta testing have posted their own stuff.
@rhythmantic I'd be interested in seeing it just to be humored. I'm generally against any drum software that doesnt have a self contained interface. However, I give exception to Abbey Road Drums because that shit is epic..especially the 60's pack.
@ShivaTheAuspicious There is a way to have the SSD sound using Superior Drummer 2 (which has a standalone app), and that is by purchasing ($15) the SSD Setting from Superior Drummer. Toontrack has a line of well known recording engineer settings that they sell and Steven is one of them. I have it and used it with SD and it sounds just like SSD.
@rhythmantic I usually put it this way--People who prefer SSD are the types who like bands where the bassist probably has a faux hawk, wears wrist bands, affliction style t shirts, a studded belt and chuck taylors. Ya know..like the cover of a Nickelback, Breaking Benjamin or Daughtry album. I call it "Douchebag Rock". That's the SSD sound in a nutshell. They probably have a green Monster energy drink sticker somewhere on their car too.
SSD is definitely a lot easier to mix. I've used EZdrummer, Addictive and some other crap... BFD? W/e... EZdrummer is crap. It's way better than MIDI, but that's easy to say. EZ to use, sure, but not very versatile. Addictive sounds great, but like someone else mentioned, takes WAY too long to process each individual drum to get the whole kit to sound right. SSD just sounds right off the bat. Minor tweaks to levels and stuff, maybe a slight post-EQ and a touch of reverb and you're basically set.
It's a very poor rendition and bad use of this drumkit. To me it doesnt sound even slightly close to original. First of all, most of the drum part is wrong. Especially - the parts after choruses. Another problem, those kits and SSD in general are being made for professional purposes. Sure, it's fun to play through SSD on drums, but I seriously don't get it when someone puts a video or audio claiming something like "Look, i have the sound of Metallica(Paramore, Green Day, Dream Theater etc)".
Sound pretty close to my Paramore setup which I have done by ear. I oriented on "Brand New Eyes" where the drums sound a little different. I like them more on that album.
I used the dream kick to begin with, blended snare 9A and 10A (one gives a nice crack, the other a nice body). 9A has a 2-3dB EQ hill around 270Hz with Q1 to emphasize and tuned down to -3. The rest is actually identical! Quick toms, hats 1, ride 2, crash 15 and Paiste Sig18.
@Harrysound I gotta pleasantly disagree on that whole EZ drummer thing. Toontrack stuff is hella easy to use and doesnt invade your whole creative process. Nothing is worse than doing drums in a program thats not completely self contained. Thats why i think SSD is the worst of the 4 big drum vsts--plus all the kits are pretty much the same sounding; very processed and all you get is thud or smack and thats about it.
@ShivaTheAuspicious Not so. Yes the kits are more processed and thats what makes them sound more professional. You just have to step your game up and record intruments well beside them.
Theres plenty of features they could add to SSD but the core sounds and drum kits are fantastic.
I did a cover of an Alter Bridge song (on my channel) and was very pleased with the results.
I agree. I used the toontrack sh*t, didn't get anything done with it, too much fiddling around. Going to the Kontakt player required some getting-used-to, but it gets the job done.
Also agree that AD has better raw samples. But it requires much more work afterwards and out of AD itself to blend in the mix.
SSD just sounds good as-is, only minor tweaking necessary.
I use AD often to drum along as it's pretty good in giving the "unprocessed acoustic drums in a garage" feel.
SSD is awesome, I think it I started with the modern rock kit and then replaced the snare with 12a - that or the CLA hybrid kits are great kits to start with for this style
Dude i can't wait to get SSD!!!!! This got me so excited, cause i'm recording my band with SSD. And it sounds sooooooooo good! What kit did you use, or did u make a custom kit??
Is Steve Slate Drums better more for replacement of drums or just enhancement or both? By enhancing i mean taking an original acoustic recorded drum track that I've done and then using SSD samples for enhancing?
kylejackson54 1 month ago
@kylejackson54 Commonly Steven Slate drums are used for replacing. I don't have a drum set or mic setup to even think about doing that, so I'm really happy just writing them out on my computer. It all comes down to how well you can write them so they sound real.
builtwithbrokenhands 4 days ago
slate drums generally should be kept below 75% on the dynamics otherwise they tend to sound a bit like hitting a box. the lower velocity samples are lush and have a much nicer tone. also the dynamics come out more when your not playing at full power. cymbals are not affected as much but the drums really need to be kept below the 75 - 65% mark
SEPTICSOUNDS13 1 month ago
i made some metal demo's with slate drums, check them out!
SEPTICSOUNDS13 3 months ago
Hey, how did u get that snare? i tried the modern rock and CLA and cant get it. Are like adding any plugin? is the eq or compressor? thanks
matias4000 3 months ago
Never heard of the original (paramore? song) but I like what you came up with. Sounds very good.
MrJETCITY 3 months ago
Yep, that's the SSD sound, every kit sounds pretty much the same even though there are about 40 different ones and all very processed, useful for some music. Superior definitely sounds better and more professional, and there are more micing options, lots of overheads and room micing. Addictive sounds great too, very easy to use and quick to load. A newcomer is Infinite Player's Studio Drummer, offering 3 kits with lots of settings and the drums sound fantastic.
rhythmantic 4 months ago
@rhythmantic Someone who agrees with what I'm saying....SSD is pretty much all clicky or floppy kicks and splatty snares. It has that processed, mid 2000's butt-rock radio sound all over it--and it only does THAT sound. Personally I prefer not to be tied to everything sounding like "Nevermind" or the "Black Album" so I bought Superior to have high quality, raw and clean samples, a combination of classic and modern kits, a unified interface and a high number of expansions.
ShivaTheAuspicious 4 months ago
@ShivaTheAuspicious I'm interested in hearing SSD 4.0. Sweetwater's latest catalog has it for sale, ($300) but I've not seen any sign of it on the net to check out any kind of demos. It's advertised as having been rebuilt from scratch featuring unprocessed kits.
rhythmantic 4 months ago
@rhythmantic There's a few on gearslutz and the andy sneap forum. Both have their own threads for SSD 4.0 where Slate posted some samples and a few others from the beta testing have posted their own stuff.
licensedinkaos 4 months ago
@licensedinkaos I'll check it out, thanks
rhythmantic 4 months ago
@rhythmantic I'd be interested in seeing it just to be humored. I'm generally against any drum software that doesnt have a self contained interface. However, I give exception to Abbey Road Drums because that shit is epic..especially the 60's pack.
ShivaTheAuspicious 3 months ago
@ShivaTheAuspicious There is a way to have the SSD sound using Superior Drummer 2 (which has a standalone app), and that is by purchasing ($15) the SSD Setting from Superior Drummer. Toontrack has a line of well known recording engineer settings that they sell and Steven is one of them. I have it and used it with SD and it sounds just like SSD.
rhythmantic 3 months ago
@rhythmantic The sound of the current SSD packs is not a sound I wish to EVER have. Too generic and radio butt-rockish.
ShivaTheAuspicious 3 months ago
@ShivaTheAuspicious Yea, I hardly ever use it, and do only when I want that sound you just described.
rhythmantic 3 months ago
@rhythmantic I usually put it this way--People who prefer SSD are the types who like bands where the bassist probably has a faux hawk, wears wrist bands, affliction style t shirts, a studded belt and chuck taylors. Ya know..like the cover of a Nickelback, Breaking Benjamin or Daughtry album. I call it "Douchebag Rock". That's the SSD sound in a nutshell. They probably have a green Monster energy drink sticker somewhere on their car too.
ShivaTheAuspicious 4 months ago
@ShivaTheAuspicious HA hA ha haha !!!!!! Can't stop laughing... Man, that's humour !!!!
riqyl32 3 months ago
SSD is definitely a lot easier to mix. I've used EZdrummer, Addictive and some other crap... BFD? W/e... EZdrummer is crap. It's way better than MIDI, but that's easy to say. EZ to use, sure, but not very versatile. Addictive sounds great, but like someone else mentioned, takes WAY too long to process each individual drum to get the whole kit to sound right. SSD just sounds right off the bat. Minor tweaks to levels and stuff, maybe a slight post-EQ and a touch of reverb and you're basically set.
jabestin 5 months ago
It's a very poor rendition and bad use of this drumkit. To me it doesnt sound even slightly close to original. First of all, most of the drum part is wrong. Especially - the parts after choruses. Another problem, those kits and SSD in general are being made for professional purposes. Sure, it's fun to play through SSD on drums, but I seriously don't get it when someone puts a video or audio claiming something like "Look, i have the sound of Metallica(Paramore, Green Day, Dream Theater etc)".
plusff 6 months ago 2
I used the piano roll in logic to sequence in the parts. No live playing was done on this. All programmed.
fox3763 7 months ago
Did you make the drums on a step sequencer or play them on an electronic kit like a roland vdrum?
bchamorro 7 months ago
how are you triggering the samples?
logic step sequencer?
felipescalador 7 months ago
Sound pretty close to my Paramore setup which I have done by ear. I oriented on "Brand New Eyes" where the drums sound a little different. I like them more on that album.
I used the dream kick to begin with, blended snare 9A and 10A (one gives a nice crack, the other a nice body). 9A has a 2-3dB EQ hill around 270Hz with Q1 to emphasize and tuned down to -3. The rest is actually identical! Quick toms, hats 1, ride 2, crash 15 and Paiste Sig18.
Anyway, sound great!
m00hk00h 7 months ago
what kit is this? and is it included in EX?
dan24591 10 months ago
if you want legit paramore sounds for drums check out Forthemix com
slipknotman012345678 10 months ago
drums are cool, but the drum part is not too accurate
plusff 11 months ago
Yep SSD is by far the best i've used.
Addictive drums sounds more real.
EZ drummer is horrible to use.
SSD once mixed with your guitar etc sounds amazing.
Harrysound 11 months ago
@Harrysound I gotta pleasantly disagree on that whole EZ drummer thing. Toontrack stuff is hella easy to use and doesnt invade your whole creative process. Nothing is worse than doing drums in a program thats not completely self contained. Thats why i think SSD is the worst of the 4 big drum vsts--plus all the kits are pretty much the same sounding; very processed and all you get is thud or smack and thats about it.
ShivaTheAuspicious 9 months ago
@ShivaTheAuspicious Not so. Yes the kits are more processed and thats what makes them sound more professional. You just have to step your game up and record intruments well beside them.
Theres plenty of features they could add to SSD but the core sounds and drum kits are fantastic.
I did a cover of an Alter Bridge song (on my channel) and was very pleased with the results.
Harrysound 9 months ago
@Harrysound
I agree. I used the toontrack sh*t, didn't get anything done with it, too much fiddling around. Going to the Kontakt player required some getting-used-to, but it gets the job done.
Also agree that AD has better raw samples. But it requires much more work afterwards and out of AD itself to blend in the mix.
SSD just sounds good as-is, only minor tweaking necessary.
I use AD often to drum along as it's pretty good in giving the "unprocessed acoustic drums in a garage" feel.
m00hk00h 7 months ago
What DAW are you using btw?
Wurdix 1 year ago
@Wurdix hes using logic.
martin7475 1 year ago
SSD is awesome, I think it I started with the modern rock kit and then replaced the snare with 12a - that or the CLA hybrid kits are great kits to start with for this style
fox3763 1 year ago 2
Dude i can't wait to get SSD!!!!! This got me so excited, cause i'm recording my band with SSD. And it sounds sooooooooo good! What kit did you use, or did u make a custom kit??
Wurdix 1 year ago
@Wurdix It's better to make your own kit, it's very easy and you can blend different snares to have your unique sound.
And important use the Multi-Out feature to be able to treat the drums properly. If you EQ the drums you'll sound more unique.
Lgw1984 9 months ago