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  • This person has got his cultures mixed up! Yes it does say that Jesus will be in the earth for 3 days but a day as far as the Jews are concerned starts at 6pm so. Jesus was crucified on the Friday & died about 3pm, that is one day. They placed him in the tomb before 6pm, so he died & was in the tomb on Friday, so from 6pm to 6pm Sat is day 2. So 6pm Sat is the new day, day 3 & as the women went to attend the body on the morn of day 3 the tomb was open & he was not there, hence 3 days.

  • @cannotfindavoice You're still not accounting for the 3 nights. I'm going by Jesus' words here, and he doesn't say 3 partial days and 2 nights, he says "3 days and 3 nights".

  • You said in here that Jesus was born from sperm of Joseph??? That's not at all what the Bible saYs. And Jesus did LITERALLY rise from the dead. I don't plan on understanding that. Its called TRUST in The Lord. Please dear, read the whole Bible. Not just some of it. <3 u...

  • @suavisjuza Please see my video Christ & Antichrist. It should more clearly address the facts of Jesus' physical parentage. Thanks for watching!

  • ...or "day of rest"), and then he rose sunday morning (3 days)... that is the 3 days of jesus entombed. And a side note... 3 is the number of divine completion ( like the trinity, jonah in the whale for 3 days, peter denying jesus 3 times, 3 days entombed, etc). When jesus said everything was in parables, he meant his teachings, not all his words. If he meant all his words, when he claimed to be god incarnate, it would be just a parable, right? Or when he claimed to be the messiah, parable?

  • Yes, the day was a 12-hour period, and so was the night, complete with several 'watches' of the night. The night was also a 12-hour period. Jesus said "3 days and 3 nights"

  • The culture in israel was jewish and so were the first hand accounts of his death and resurrection. I when reading and interpreting the bible, it must be done in context. Though we see a day as a 24 hr period, back then in jewish culture, a day was considered from sunup to sundown (about 12 hrs plus or minus). And an occurance of any part of that day would be seen as happening in that day. Jesus died before sundown on friday (1 day) he was in the grave all of saturday (2 days; also sabbath...

  • No proof of His tomb.

  • He was saying is there 12 hours in a day? Not that there is a tottal of 12 hours in one day bit there are 24 hours in one tottal day, you can argue there is also 12 hours at night, but here is the main problem with your video,you did not add in the hours with in the night as in scrpture it states for three days and three nights,So your video here is wrong.

  • @mystic81006 Perhaps you need to watch again, as that's exactly what the video is saying, that there are "3 days and 3 nights" which total 72 hours. The "body of no avail" doesn't fulfill the criteria, but the Body of Believers does.

  • @adamjacob9 Well I always tell people to serve the lord,it takes belief and faith,Its not all about fact,and here is what I mean,you can meet Jesus,then you can follow him in the flesh even,but it still would take faith for him to heal you.Like men who did meet him in the flesh,they had faith in him but others did not,and the ones who did where healed. My point is I understand your video now,thanks.

  • Good Friday is a date set 100s of years after the fact, not during biblical times . It's not that big of a deal. The commemoration of the death of Jesus takes place on a Friday isn'y saying He died on a Friday. So you just wasted all your efforts on a moot point.

  • @55k3v1n The fact that it was a Friday comes from the text, not the church's observance. They needed to buy him before sundown as the Sabbath was quickly approaching.

  • @adamjacob9 Interesting. The thing I have a hard time understanding is if Jesus died on a Friday and His body was discovered missing on a Sunday (first day of the week) isn't that only 2 days in the tomb? Anyways I still think people who get into a big hissy fit over this are overlooking the fact that there's nothing wrong with commemorating Jesus' death and all it means to Christains as well as celebrating the resurrection, irregardless of when they do it.

  • @55k3v1n You're exactly right! This means that either Jesus was wrong in his "one and only sign", or that we need to look to see if this prophecy was fulfilled in a different way. It turns out that the Body of Believers, which is referred to many times as "the body of Christ", died in their belief on Thursday night after the 'last supper', then resurrected in their belief Sunday night when they all met in the Upper Chambers. That's the point of this video.

  • @adamjacob9 Wow! I completely missed the point you were making that from Friday to Sunday can work out to three days because of John 11;9: "Jesus answered , Are there not TWELVE hours in the day?"

  • @55k3v1n There were considered 12 hours in a day, and 12 hours in a night. The night was broken into several 'watches' of the night. The only way Jesus' prophecy could be accurately fulfilled was in the Body of Believers, the church, who resurrected 3 days & 3 nights after falling away.

  • Parables yes, but you forget that he hid these things from the wise and revealed them onto babes. A little child that reads about his resurrection is going to take it literally. Moreover, how did he beat death if there was only a metaphorical resurrection? Paul says we must believe in his resurrection, to me it's really reaching to suggest they would refer to the rekindling of their faith this way and expect anyone to understand. Grave, where is thy victory, death where is thy sting?

  • @Phaedron777 Jesus said "Let the dead bury their dead", referring to people walking around, breathing, living their lives, but spiritually dead. The victory over death is the spiritual death, which is more detrimental than physical death, wouldn't you agree?

  • Makes more sense that he was crucified on Thursday. What leads you to believe in the Word that he was crucified on a Friday?

  • Jesus' body needed to be buried before sundown as the Sabbath was approaching the next day. In John we read that this was a double high holy day, as the weekly Sabbath coincided with Passover, all falling on that Saturday.

  • To insist on the "physical resurrection" of Jesus is to identify His reality with a physical body. I believe the miracle is actually that He lives, even when His body was crucified. Also, that He "appeared" to His believers should be looked at in light of "Wherever two or more are gathered and make mention of Me, there I am also." Then consider such things as "Let the dead bury the dead" This is not literal. Nor is "born again". The Baha'i Faith answers these questions rationally,..

  • i must say you do make good points.. bbut we all must be careful

  • An offering that actually makes sense and ticks all the credibility boxes. Well done! I like your style!

  • Word salad.

  • Dear Lizazoon,

    The resurection is an allegory for the renewed vigor of the Christian community. There is no proof that dead bodies walk around afterwards.

  • Awesome video!!

  • Thanks. Very good explanation.

  • Really interesting beliefs. Thanks for sharing them. I'm curious though, as a baha'i, how do you reconcile the verses in the bible and of other faiths that claim their faith as the one true faith and that those who do not believe their message or believe other messages to be condemned to hell? It's not a loaded question, I'm genuinely curious.

  • @1ibertaire I'd be happy to address those passages if you'd share the specific verses you're referring to. Thanks for watching.

  • I appreciate your research and knowledge on the subject. It's obvious (well to me anyway), that Jesus' resurrection was spiritual and that through the spirit the disciples shared the word of God to others. If you are interested, you should take a look at what is called "Transmillennialism" That is what I believe to be the full truth of the Bible and how it applies to today.

  • There were lots of different versions of these stories before the Nicean Counsel edited the other books out of the canon in 325 AD. Unfortunately, all of the people at the counsel were followers of Paul. James, Jesus' brother and Peter the lead deciple had students too, but they were not allowed into the counsel. So, what you have is Paulanity. Once orthodoxy was established by the followers of Paul, the other practitioners were killed as heretics.

  • @Ryanshinobi You woulds have to explain away how ancient non-Christian historians like Josephus, Tacitus, Pliny the Younger & others mentioned that Jesus died onthe cross in their writing & that scholars, including liberal scholars, date the New Testament before 100 AD.

  • I don't think that the miracles, including the ressurection matter at all to Jesus' teachings. If they proved all of is a hoax, it would make no difference to me.

  • but how many apostles wrote the new testimate? not many if any

  • now is the hour of darkness He made it very clear this is the starting point.The mob came.He told Peter put away your sword this is why I came into the world.From Thursday night,Friday night,Saturday night He was taking the penalty for our sins which is punishment and death not just death punishment and death.And He suffered and He died starting Thursday night Friday night Saturday So thats the crux of that misunderstanding. has nothing todo with the tomb

  • If an empty tomb is proof for the resurrection, than there are many resurrected.

  • The cruxificaton was on Wednesday Afternoon and the Sabbath the day afer for the Passover, 72 hours later on Saturday after the second Sabbath that week at Saturday evening Jesus Rose.

    These are well know historical Facts, so why are we trying to prove the false Easter Teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.

  • That guy was a wolf in sheeps Clothing, His body ressurected, It was no parable.

  • @Monstermack40 It's a rather sad attempt to rationalise the resurrection. But one shouldn't rationalise the resurrection because as Jesus said in Matthew 12:40, comparing His miracle of resurrection to that of Jonah rising out of the whale's mouth, it is a physical and literal resurrection, so I disagree with the vdo that it is a parable and a 'spiritual' resurrection. The guy might have good intentions but his explanations doesn't help his cause.

  • My Christ the Son of God is not dead and will be back.Your false Christ Bahá'u'lláh is dead.

  • 1ProudFemaleAtheist u say everyone would believe for it to be true, does this mean everyone has to love for love to exist? does this mean everyone would have to murder to make murder bad? God forbid! ur argument destroyes itself, u atheists are so aragant and don't want to listen to the truth like Lot's wife who got turned into salt! Anyway saying God is not real is like saying my parents aren't real because u haven't seen them, u fool.

  • Atheists your are wise among men but foolish in the eyes of God, you make claims of the earth but reallt they are stupid and so are u. You have the proof of God right in front of u and u are so foolish that u deny it because u are addicted to lust and earthly Satanic ways.

    Open your eyes and God will save u the end is near.

  • due you've lost the plot - next you'll be saying jesus wasn't a virgin and that jesus only metaphorically walked the earth.

    The gospel is simple message for all, don't complicate it.

  • So you just denied the virgin birth and the resurrection, physical body, of Yeshua. And was it a parable when Yeshua told Thomas to touch his wounds after He was resurrected? The story of Yeshua appearing and eating after His death then disappearing is a lie, or yet another parable in your theory?

  • jesus is my lord jesus is my god jesus is the massaia and jesus is yasua and jesus is christ and thats the only one on earth i beieve in him and the word of i zaia and jesus died and resurrected and no one could gange that in our haert and jesus is 1..peace 2. jesus the word of god 3.jesus mircle 3.jesus is our holly teacher .....and we dont need some to brain wash us.......we are happy with our christ jesus the massaiaaaaaaaaa the son of god bless us jesus bless us christ our lordl

  • you have evil eyes: just hit pause!

  • @pgpeachess,

    ha. well, I'm glad you've found a reason for yourself to deny. good for you.

  • did the church eat the fish and honey in luke 24: 41-43 or was Jesus Himself?

    1proud: an empty tomb does not require faith; to believe in a theory -that's what evolution is- requires a great deal of faith.

  • the only proof I need is the Holy Bible!!!!

  • There is no such thing as "proof of the resurrection." No such thing. You must accept it on blind faith only. If there was proof, everyone would believe.

  • please watch the video before jumping to conclusions. thanks

  • I did. No conclusions "jumped to" at all.

    There is NO PROOF of the resurrection.

  • The point of the video is that the Bible, far from demanding blind acceptance of an unscientific physical resurrection, instead puts forth evidence that the scriptural meaning of resurrection is not physical. The proof is the existence of a christian community (albeit now corrupted), which wouldn't exist if those early believers hadn't "resurrected" in their belief and understanding of who Jesus was. They had died in their believe, & had fallen, but "stood up again", the definition of anastasis.

  • many people don't believe in the splitting of the Red Sea,but scientists acknowledge a massive earthquake that would allow for such a thing. There's also records, made at the command of the pharoh which tells the same story. All of this along with carbon dated chariot remains at the bottom of the Red Sea gives much proof, but not too many people know, i guess. I hope you look into it. Please hit me back and tell me how it goes.

  • @1ProudFemaleAtheist

    Belief is a choice. Proof is offered, but each individual is responsible for accepting or denying the proof they are confronted with.

  • watch yourself mate, Jesus showed His hands to Thomas, and they had holes in them. Also, the body, "the Physical body" is a temple for the God. And Jesus said, "I will destroy and rebuild this temple in three days."

  • the temple isn't a building or his physical body but his body of belivers, they are the temple and temples

  • what does it matter if he came back, it should mattered about how he lived, and not how he died to give believer's a gift. But I guess Christians who only want to go to heaven does not care about morals for moral's sake, just the fact they go to heaven.

  • Why do people have to care about what the bible saids literally. Does a man have to die and raise again to forgive you just for you to accept good advice he gives? Or do Christians only care about the idea that heaven exist for those who obey. It does not matters how jesus died or why, but the good advice he gave during his life. But, i guess some Christians who only do good to keep from going to hell would not care.

  • "and on the third day."

    he was dead friday, saturday, and sunday but on the third he rose again.

    You had to think of this before you spent so much time creating your video.

    You just had to.

  • It is not a parable, it is 100% literal, but you need to understand the authors and their culture. In the Jewish culture a day is from sun up to sun down. and Jesus said he would rise ON, not after, the third day. So from when Jesus died to sun down was considered the first day (Friday). Then when fron sun up to sun down on Saturday was day 2. And finally, on Sunday (when Jesus rose) when the sun came up it was on the THIRD DAY!

  • then you have proved that the bible contradicts itself and contains lots of errors.

    If you are a Cristian then read the bible from page 1 to end you will know that the bible is being corrupted and contains lots of error.

    Even in the international debates by the bible scholars it was accepted that bible has errors. watch a video Bible and Quran in the light of science

  • where in the Bible does it say Jesus was buried on friday and resurrected on sunday? in fact, this is simply a tradition of man, Easter, which is derived from a pagan holiday. Can you not distinguish the traditions of men from the Word of God? Not really that hard, Jesus is the Son of God, and He rose from the dead, literally and physically. Praise God!!

  • you Baha'is, always being sneaky. May I say this, Jesus has not returned.

  • Aw, don't be sore just because you were "left behind".

  • the dead in Christ have not raised and Jesus has not come from the sky with clouds with the voice of David the Archangel. My dad is a Baha'i so I can debate over this well.

  • exactly what is a baha'i, i always wondered. i had a teacher once that was,she was prob one of the nicest ppl ive met. she could sing some mean blues too.

  • I thought I responded but I will respond again. I'm not left behind, it's very clear that Jesus has not returned. The Bible describes what it will be like when he does. He will come from the sky on the clouds with great glory and the voice of the archangel (Mark 13:26, Matthew 24:30, 1 Thessalonians 4:16) and the dead in Christ will rise (1 Thessalonains 4:16). Every eye will see him(Revelation 1:7). And who was the anti-Christ, that united the world, and had craft prosper (Daniel 8:25)?

  • when jesus came the first time, it took 300 years for people to recognize him, why would anything be different now

  • To better understand the genealogy of Jesus, it is important to understand Jewish tradition regarding genealogies and the use of the word "son". A genealogy was an inheritance in the nation of Israel and adoptions were just as legit for that purpose. Jesus was the "son of David, the son of Abraham." So "son" has a very expansive meaning. Matthew traced Jesus' ancestry by Joseph, while Luke traced that of Mary. Both are legit. And see my "video response" regarding the three days and nights.

  • Please explain"in the belly of the earth","the tomb was empty".Was the tomb underground?

  • You sound convincing but thank God I study the word of God and clearly you are deceiving people to another religion, New age stuff is not from God

  • Isn't that first quote a reference to part of one of the gospels that was left out of the bible, referring to how Jesus (after he died) went to hell to free the souls of the prophets or something along those lines. Anyway, the bible is an amazing book. It reads to everyone the way they wish it to. Kinda like horoscopes only much wordier.

    Oh, and Mary wasn't Mary a descendant of Nathan, Soloman's brother? That would make her a descendant of David.. no?

  • If you take the whole bible as a parable then you can make it mean whatever you want. Yes there are some spritual implications throughout BUT you are looking way to far into the passage where Jesus is explaining why others don't believe as the deciples do and have heard the same words.

  • You are wrong, you are trying to prove Jesus resurrection to publish and to confirm Baha'u'llah religion. You should be honest about it by indicating Baha'u'llah in the title of this video.

    Prove Baha'u'llahs religion before proving Jesus resurrection. Can you, please reply

  • @mouhdie

    They have videos that prove Baha'u'llah. This just isn't one of them.

  • Interesting :) even if i dont belive in bible

  • If God had established as a LAW (in the book of genesis) ,that to bring a child into the world, a man and a woman would have to come together to create that child,..... How could he later break that same LAW he laid for us to follow and bring a sinless child into the world by virgin birth???? isnt it true,.. that God does not break his LAWS!!!! If thats true,.. there is no such person as Gods son named jesus!!!!

  • mw94533: Where is this LAW that you speak of? A law of nature itself says that it takes a man and a woman to create another human but God has a history of defying the laws of nature.

  • Make a claim, look for some text that might substantiate it and present it as proof.

    Preferably from the Bible as it allows you to prove anything.

  • Sorry but as soon as I hit the near 5 minute mark, I could hear no more. Using the last supper as the death of the "body" to explain the missing hours is stretching it my friend. Pure Eisegesis.

  • with lumionous, warm, endless love, care, and compassion ;) rember he loves you, he loves all, he gave you the talent of knowladge, don't use it againest him, he loves you more than you can imagine, he make love and gave it to you, do you love him? <3

  • jESUS ROSE FROM THE TOMB BODY AND SOUL, as said in the bible, how else would they be able to put their hands in his nail wounds? Jesus is God and Gods son, he is at his father's knee begging for mercy to be brought upon you, he is God all knowing, he MADE YOU, he knows what he's doing, and he dosen't enjoy being tested, he did all that he did for a reason, and we won't know that until we reach heaven, if we do. If you truely love God and you're sorry for your sins, pray and ask for forgiveness

  • Literally, Mark 16 and John 20 state, quite clearly, that Jesus's body was physically reanimated. If you take both chapters in context, its pretty hard to read a Spiritual Resurrection into it, unless you're saying the Authors purposley wrote the entire thing down as a parable. His Tomb is empty, he eats, he proves he's not a "spirit/ghost," and the disciples clearly recognize his physical presence. (Now I'm not saying I endorse a physical rez. , but your argument doesn't explain these things)

  • VERY good video. Thanks!

  • I have read the comments for your video and looked at your video too... but wouldn't it be common sense if he did resurrect from the dead since he used his powers to bring others who have died from the dead... and not to mention the whole slew of miracles he performed... or was it written by the pagans?

  • EzZodd,

    No, it is "common sense" to accept that all of the accounts of miracles are figurative. When someone was blind & received sight, they were recovering from spiritual blindness, & could now see the truth.

    If you accept that Jesus literally raised dead bodies to life again, where are these people now? Did they die again?

    The true miracles were the education of ignorant hearts & minds.

  • So according to the given theory of everything being taught in parables, the hundreds of people starving and whom were fed by Jesus a few loaves of bread and few fish was actually Jesus feeding the faith of the crowd to not feel hunger? Or did I misinterpret it? Or was it large crowd meditation into feeling a sense of Nirvana? Hence not feeling hungry, and the same when Jesus fasted in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights therefore achieve a Nirvana state like the Buddhist Siddarta

  • EzZodd,

    Jesus explains that bread is a symbol for teachings, as with the Pharisees who's leven is their false doctrines, so with Jesus, his bread is his own true teachings, the very Bread of Life which cometh down from heaven. The multiplication of blessings is also part of the lesson here. As you pass the bread (teachings), their effect is multiplied.

  • Thomas put the spoon through him

    and he broke the bread

    you cant be faithless about such think

    bless are those who havnt seen and still believe

  • Can you make this in VERY simple texts for me.

    Did he phisically get up and walk around, or spiritually.

  • nvm, didn't marry say the Tomb was empty?

  • This is New age at best.. The shroud of turin, with its lazer etched divine image of Jesus is proof enough, without going into everything else, that proves the resurrection was legitimate. Like James, brother of Jesus being thrown off a building and beaten with a setting mold. He would never die for a metaphor. And god would never send his son to earth armed with only metaphors to convert the world. The bible and evidence contradicts this misinterpertation.

  • EzZodd, It would be common sense. This is based on obvious misinterpretation of Mark 4; 10-12, although his heart is in the right place, he does not understand the resurrection properly. I mean we can almost say for certain the shroud of Turin is evidence, the imagie imprinted on it could not have been forged because science has shown the image was "lazered" onto every individual of the cloth. There is not such technology even in the 13th century, where it is often claimed to be forged.

  • at least your lips is quite exotic to see as they move and vibrate the air dus resulting in noises

  • how am I supposed to be impressed with some idiot who claims to understand ancient Greek and also has to creatively find another couple of days on a fucking calendar to justify his own lunacy ... this is nuts!

  • Don't fret klank, you're having a normal reaction to seeing these things for the 1st time. Everyone who owns a Strong's Concordance is capable of understanding ancient Greek. Get one & you can too. Then you can verify what he's explaining here w/ your own 2 eyes, instead of relying on what your paid clergyman has been telling you like you have been. There just aren't 3days/3nights between Fri and Sun, & these clergyman are lying to you hoping you can't do simple math. No other explanation works.

  • The lunacy that they spew is fuckin' something else, I must say ... cheers man.

  • Cheers to you friend. So which part of my statement was "lunacy"? The part where I challenged you to defend your math discrepancy, or the part where I challenged you to get your own Strong's Concordance and verify what we're saying with your own eyes instead of relying on what others tell you the Scriptures say? Which was it that has you so offended?

    Seriously though, we're genuinely curious if you've managed to find "three days and three nights" between Friday night and Sunday morning yet?

  • dude I think you might have your lines crossed .... Im an atheist

  • klank,

    If that's the case, you clearly haven't watched the whole video. Why is it lunacy to prove according to the Bible that there never was a physical resurrection?

  • you may be right ...... sorry for the confusion guys

  • Kind of overinterpretation and stretching to explain itself in my opinion.

  • Halleluyah our Father.

    Is this the best satan can come up with?

    Come on satan this is hog wash and you know it. Do what ever you can to keep the blind not seeing.. As for you young man WHY DO YOU DO THE WORK OF satan?

    Is it sin you can't give up? You are so very lost and hell is at your back door,,

    REPENT you sun worshiper you son of the lost and dead, open your heart to truth before it is to late!!!!!!!!!!!

    Brother Phil.

  • Thanks for supporting this channel Dr. Phil.

  • Once again, eisogesis, not exegesis. That leaves all you say on a bad foundation. You read what you want to in the scriptures.

  • moline,

    If you have anything specific to address, by all means, go ahead. Please explain where you think an incorrect interpretation has been made & why. Feel free to enlighten us with your "correct" view of the scriptures if you feel that this explanation is in error. The entire history of Biblical interpretation from the perspective of Christian clergy has been eisegesis (not eisogesis) since around 325 AD on many issues & earlier on more.

  • how can u use bible as the proof of resurrection of jesus! dont u see the bias there? in order to prove to a non believer that resurrection occurred, u need more than the bible.

  • first of all yall need to stop referring to him as Jesus, his name was Yeshuah....

  • They are all words referring to the same person. Just different languages.

  • You know that comes in handy later on.

  • AbdulBaha while still on the earth,in palestine of the time &present Isreal once moving along with his companies pointed at a particular spot and said "they shall discover the body of His Holiness Christ under this church."

  • ZeEEte,

    Yes you are correct. And that's where it is being protected to this day until the appointed hour. Thank you for your continued interest in our videos!

  • Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 conflicts with your theory friend. No physical resurrection, no Christianity. You are a pretty tricky but I am not impressed with your argumentation. This boy is way way way off.

  • christianthinker,

    Nothing in this video contradicts 1 Cor 15. If it were not for the resurrection of the Body of Christ [the Believers], faith in Christ would be in vain, just as Paul says, for if the believers had not risen from the dead, the message of Christ would not have been proclaimed & promulgated.

  • The problem is when you see the appearance passages, you cannot say that that is "the believers" when Jesus says "reach here your finger..." in John 20 and in Luke 24 Jesus says "see my hands and my feet it is I myself...a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have..." Who said this? Not the believers. Nice try though heretic.

  • c-thinker,

    Luke is writing the same way Jesus taught, in parable & metaphor. Refer to Ephesians 5:30 KJV, where Paul explains that the believers are "members of his [Jesus'] body, of his FLESH and of his BONES"

    This is a prophetic reference also to Ezekiel 37, the vision of the valley of dry bones, where the resurrecting believers are likened to flesh & bones.

  • can u explain why Jesus said to him , reach here your finger .. I believe what u have said .. though i would want to know that spiritual meaning behind that "quote"

    EVERYONE ,Everything in the bible is purely spiritual ..we must not take it as literal .. Revelation Is an example for that .

    May God be with us forever

    Peace be with all of you

  • I agree with christianthinker, and I'd like to add something... starting on 2:33, you (the person who did the video) quoted the Bible from Mark 4:10-12. It basically says to the twelve that to them is "given the secret of the kingdom of God but for those OUTSIDE everthing is in parables"... so far so good. but then at about 6:00 you quote from Luke 24: 38-39. Then you went on to say that EVERYTHING is in parables... but wait a minute... it's supposed to be in parables to those OUTSIDE...

  • ...in Luke Jesus was talking to the twelve, those who were to be given the secret of the kingdom of God, so you are contradicting what you read/said earlier. I'm sorry, but next time try harder when you wanna create a heresy my friend

  • Sorry my friend, but next time try harder when you wanna create a rebuttal. You missed 1 obvious point that Adam even gave you: the apostles are writing in parables "so that though they [you] have eyes they might not see". Here, Luke is relaying the event, not Jesus; Luke is the author & he's writing in parables. He even tells us it's a parable for when they gave him fish & bread he said "these are the words I spoke to you WHILE I WAS STILL WITH YOU". Jesus wasn't there; it's a parable, see?

  • I'm sorry Jeff, but that's rubbish.. you need to go back and read Mark 4:10-12. Clearly, on verse 11 it reads: and HE (JESUS) SAID to them... so clearly, he was quoting Jesus. same thing in Luke 24:38-39. Verse 38 starts by saying: an HE (JESUS) SAID to them. So, again, he clearly was quoting Jesus. Those where Jesus' word, not the apostles.

  • Braz,

    Read a little further where it says "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you" Luke 24:44 KJV

    Notice how it says "while I WAS yet with you" in the PAST tense? See, he wasn't there at all, but his WORDS were. Do you accept that wherever two or more are gathered together in his name, there shall he be?

    Also, the "flesh and bones" verse is a clear reference to the reader to check out Ezekiel 37, & Paul explains it in Ephesians 5:30 KJV.

  • Well, what about Luke 24:40-43? In verses 38-39, the twelve do think that he's a spirit/ghost (like you do) and Jesus is trying to convince them that he isn't, so He asks them to touch him as proof (verse 39). Now, in verses 40-43, they still don't believe (just like you), so he asks for food, and eats it... now, spirits don't eat, and this is not a parable, because he's talking to the twelve. So you see, you gotta read the whole context of the text, and the understanding is clear. God Bless!

  • Braz,

    I didn't say it was a "spirit/ghost" did I. What I said was that he WASN'T THERE AT ALL, but it was his WORDS that were present, just as the text says, "These are the WORDS which I spake unto you, while I WAS yet with you".

    The food that is mentioned is fish, the symbol of the parable of Jonah, signifying the 3 days/3 nights that the Body of Christ (Believers) were in the depths of unbelief.

  • yeah moron , do you think that is the litteraly account ? see thats what got my fired up always talking about the bible, but dont know when it is written, by who, is it corrupted ? What where the sources, etc plus the fact they thaught differently about pretty much everything, seek after those sources and truth will come out, and one of them is, that there where a lot of community's with everyone his own view, until Nicea, where it all end for the sake of the peace kingdom.

  • Vergilius07,

    Watch the entire video before commenting. If you had watched the video, how could you possibly think we take these accounts literally?

  • watch zeitgeist and it tells you who really was jesus christ

  • among the myriad of shortcomings with zeit-lies is thay they don't bother to offer even one reference for any of the nonstop claims spewing forth from it constantly. and yet seemingly intelligent people like you watch it and start referring to it as a font of facts. it provides nothing more than an imaginative possibility which even then is full of holes, and you're readily swallowing all of it without question while challenging our well sourced in depth illuminations.

  • Hmm, your faith is in vain. I think you might have something there.

    The Christian faith basically started when Sual (going by the alias Paul) created a church so he could get money from Roman Jews and eventually others. This whole thing has such a more simple explanation than people want to believe.

  • hmmm, indeed. it seems you didn't watch the video before commenting?

  • I watched it twice in fact. This is fairly typical rationalization Christians do.

    Here's another thought. People reinterpreted a sun god with twelve rays of light. In the Winter, he reaches the lowest point in the sky (at midday) for the whole year, and doesn't appear to move for 3 days, then starts his journey back up in the sky. Then, finally in Spring, he reaches the point where days and nights are the same length, so we celebrate his rebirth from Winter.

    That makes more sense.

  • manic,

    If you watched the video, how could you possibly get out of it that this is from a christian perspective?

    What rationalization are you referring to here?

  • The video keeps quoting Jesus and justifying everything in terms of what Jesus says. I don't know anyone else who would talk like that. Actually, this video sounds very much like a Gnostic perspective.

    But to try to justify everything Jesus supposedly said (as related to us by others) is to try to rationalize a belief that shouldn't be kept.

  • you folks that watch zeit-lies,swallow everything it claims (but doesn't source), & then set out to lecture everyone who doesn't accept christianity is a sun cult always seem to be completely fanatical & narrow minded.  you really accept all that, even though there's not one reference to verify even one claim? how about this; we'll take our fully independently investigated beliefs, and you take what those producers told to think but didn't provide sources for, and we'll agree to disagree, okay?

  • "you folks that watch zeit-lies"

    I haven't seen that yet. I'm busy with all sorts of books that talk about this. I'll be happy to give you sources if that's all you need. Watch John L Armstrong for some details.

  • There is one REAL BIG point people leave out and that is; he was hastily buried in a "Borrowed "Tomb because of the Sabbath.

    Now after the Sabbath, of course the stone was rolled away and he was put in his own family tomb which has actually been discovered and a program was aired on TV about it some few years ago.

    Anybody that reads that Biblical account and understands Jewish customs can easily understand why the stone would have been rolled away and the body moved to its proper family tomb.

  • Matthew 22 v 41 to 46

  • Precisely; perfect verses to illustrate the point that Jesus couldn't literally be the physical son of God, but rather a son of David. Couldn't have put it better myself. I would add Romans 1:3 to drive the point home: "being descended from the seed of David according to the flesh, and was the son of God according to the Spirit...". Thanks for sharing.

  • Jesus asked them, saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him, Lord, how is he his son? And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

  • aerycksmusic,

    Are you aware what verse Jesus is quoting here? It is from psalms 110, which is about Jesus being a high priest from the order of Melchizedek.

    In this instance, Jesus is not denying being the physical son of David through his dad Joseph, but is affirming his spiritual sonship from the time of his baptism, and his station as high priest, which is above that of King.

    Jesus is addressing the scribes, & asserting his authority over them as high priest.

  • Bro Jesus was really 3 nights in the tomb. He died on wednesday and resurrected saturday night

  • Hey .. another question .. How can Jesus came from joseph where its pretty clear that Mary concieved Him spiritually .. (sorry for my questions)

  • @malotwpd The kings james version calls mary a virgin, back in old england this didn't mean she was actually a virgin but pure virginity at heart, uncorrupted, etc...a simple misinterpretation that pretty much defines a religion...what a load of crap

  • religion is a load of shite Christianity is a story of the stars and that is a proven fact

  • Let me guess, you think Zeitglies was just the most informative documentary ever, don't you? The only thing that movie was missing was actual references. Didn't you notice that nowhere in the string of claims it made about Christianity was there one reference you could check for yourself?

    BTW, we're not Christians, and neither is it the only religion. They're all "shite"? Okay; we'll agree to disagree. And since you haven't watched the video, why not take a moment and see what you missed?

  • you are in an error Joseph did not knew Mary which means Joseph did not do any sexual intercourse until jesus was born mathew 1:25. Also, Mary comes from the line of King David.

  • jaro1277,

    Notice that there have been over 1000 comments made to this video? If you go back, probably half of them are answers to the erroneous belief that Mary is from the line of David. This is not Biblical. Refer to the old comments, or watch my video "Christ & Antichrist" for more on this.

  • jaro, we base our beliefs on what the Bible actually says, and accordingly it says she's from the line of Levi. The genealogies in Matt and Luke prove that he's from David through "his father Joseph". That's what it says, so why would you oppose this?

  • Archaic mythology.

    Join the twenty-first century.

    The bad news for creationists:

    God doesn't exist.

    The good news:

    We don't need him.

  • We have always taught that the greatest gift God gave us was our free-will; he set things up so we could truly choose with our free will whether to accept him. W/out it our love for Him could never be true love, see? The greatest trick this free will plays on our logic is that we don't need Him. It takes a truly sophisticated and intelligent seeker to notice, but God set things up for us so we don't in fact have any need for him. Too bad you haven't noticed the opportunity He's presented you.

  • re:

    '...so we don't in fact have any need for him.'

    I've known this my whole life.

    When do you expect to catch on?

  • I conceded your point, so obviously I've "caught on". What isn't apparently obvious to you is that God did this for you so you'd have free will. You're perfectly welcome and free to do with it as you will. Why though, is it any concern of yours what I do with mine?

  • re:

    ' Why though, is it any concern of yours what I do with mine? '

    Come on. Don't tell me you aren't aware of how social policy that effects everyone is constantly under pressure from religious lobby groups claiming 'higher moral authority'.

    This is BULL-SHIT.

    Perhaps if you, or someone you love was suffering from Parkinsons disease and felt the outrage at the Presidential veto based on religious grounds against stem-cell research that could offer help, you would appreciate better.

  • ben I think your tangent ran off with your logic and got it pregnant. Whatever do these concerns you have over stem-cell research and religious lobby groups have to do with weather or not God exists?

    Science has proven that given there are 250 strands of protein strung together in infinitely specific patterns to create information codes for every single DNA strand, that there's no way it was random, & that a designer put that information there. Call the designer what you wish, but God exists.

  • The amazing complexity we find around us is never explained by random chance or unexplainable mystery without reason, at least by science.

    It is religion that claims supernatural cause.

    Mystery and the unknown is evidence of our ignorance and the challenge to learn, nothing more.

    Creationism is an unwarranted conclusion.

    Denial of natural evolution is absurd when there exists over 4,500 species of mammals, 28,000 fish, and millions of birds.

    The tree of life is real. Follow the branches.

  • bencubed,

    While I acknowledge & respect that you have a distinct opinion, I must ask, what do these posts have to do with this particular video? Did you even watch the entire video to understand the point being made?

  • To address the specifics of this particular video, I would add that the disappearance of Jesus' remains was explained by their discovery in the Talpiot Tomb in 1981, in addition to his other family members, substantiated by DNA analysis. This confirms his existence as a living person, and also dispells the belief and evidence of an ascension that was associated with the initial disappearance.

    The controversy revolves around the insistance of literalists to deny any other interpretation.

  • SORRY I DONT LIKE WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT MARIA PEACE ON HER , if you belive on prophet jesus peace on him , you have to respect him and his virgin mother

    and know that the CREATOR can create a creation as he want

    and you dont have to belive in bible becouse the bible is false and all us we know that iam with you in thats point

    the most important now is to find the original faith GROLY CORAN make everything clear for us , so let us read and analyse GLORY CORAN

  • While we respect that you have every right to your opinion, we base ours on what the Bible actually says. Your suggestions are confusing; what about this video made you think we don't "respect him and his virgin mother"? We do indeed. If you believe in the Koran, then you shouldn't have a problem with anything here for it supports these ideas. Mohamed taught us to believe in Jesus and all the prophets of the Bible. Your points aren't entirely clear, but rather confusing. But thanks for sharing.

  • thank you brother

  • Anyone that believes this crap would have been the same people who would follow the likes of Charles Manson and David Koresh.The bible is nothing but a book of lies someone came up with before us.Manson was proof that some people are gullible enough to follow even when you have no clue what he is getting at. Some people just need to feel like they are part of a group because they aren't strong enough to make a stand on their own. Sin all you want churchies you'll be forgiven

  • This video contains several misconceptions. The Bible references aren't used appropriately either. The Jewish time system is different than our modern reckoning. A night and a day is the same as a day or part of one.

    72 hours weren't required for the sign of Jonah to be fulfilled because Acts 10:3,9, 23,24,30 shows that72 hours (exactly three days to our modern reckoning) is referred to as v30 "four days ago". This time issue is deeper than just ACTS though.

  • Don't get too hung up on the 72 hours specifically; the point is the the prophecy is clear about "3 days & 3 nights", &neither 3 days or 3 nights passed between Friday night and "before dawn" on Sunday morning. That's 1 day and 2 night by even the most generous reckonings. Your conjecture hasn't offered a solution, but has only muddied the waters further. We have offered the only explanation that fits the prescribed timeframe of the prophecy, and you haven't offered and alternative. Please do.

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