By the way, I'm only in a relationship with ONE woman. I actually don't want polygamy but I don't use MY preference to dictate to others what they can do, esp. when their choice is a moral one.
Polygamy is a moral practice according to the Bible. The Adam and Eve story does not disprove that if you consider that polygamy can be practiced as PLURAL or multiple marriages. Notice that at best, Genesis 2 indicates how many people a marriage can have but it does NOT mention how many marriages a person can have. There's a difference so if a man wants 2 wives, he can just have 2 separate marriages. Each marriage would still have 2 people.
What non-sensical rubbish. If a man has two wives: this is the same as having 2 marriages. This is polygamy; no matter what vocabulary is used to describe it.
By the way, do you believe in keeping the Sabbath holy?
You call polygamy practiced as PLURAL or multiple marriages rubbish? How so? Prove me wrong. There are TWO people per marriage, do you agree? Show me where in the Bible that it says you can only have ONE marriage at the same time? If the Bible doesn't contradict itself, then when it approves of a man having 2 wives AND marriage involving only TWO people, the only way that can play out is if a man has TWO different marriages. That way there's no contradiction. cont'd
They may profess belief in Christ. But this is in vain, because the sin wilfully.
Hebrews 10:26-27 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
These people are not Christians in the Biblical sense of the word.
You keep saying that a Christian is not a Christian if they sin. How do you know what a sin is and then prove that polygamy is a sin. So far, you haven't. Until you do, I'm left with disagreeing with you.
If you are married, and then marry again to another wife, then you are committing adultery against your first wife. This is therefore adultery. Therefore is sin.
Mark 10:11 ...Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery... Why Not Ask God About The Sabbath? [ watch?v=lFfrnVKhs7E ]
Please give me specifically what adultery is, according to the Bible. If you read the LAW it only speaks about a WIFE who sleeps with someone other than her husband. It does not talk about a married man sleeping with another woman unless that other woman is married to another guy, as well. You bring up Mark 10:11, but notice the first part, "whoever put away his wife". Starting poly does not involve a divorce first, a man can still stay married and just add a 2nd marriage
The Pharisees had gone to such great lengths in sin, that Satan had blinded their eyes and hearts.
Matthew 13:10-15 ...Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand ...this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed...
Luke 6:39 Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
"Those who do not follow in Christ's footsteps will find themselves following another leader. They have listened to strange voices until they cannot distinguish the voice of the True Shepherd." KH 212
Having more than one wife goes against God's unchanging Character. It is sin. And I fear that if you already have more than one wife then you will try to justify yourself and your position against the precepts of God. Please do not be blind. This is the same reasoning for Sunday
... I fear that if you already have more than one wife then you will try to justify yourself and your position against the precepts of God, rather than to humble yourself before Him as a sinner. Please do not be blind. This is the same lines of reasoning for Sunday-keeping! They are already observing Sunday; there is not a single biblical text to support it; yet they do it anyway because it will be too embarassing to humble themselves before God and change and accept the light. I percieve...
...I percieve that you may be in the same position as the Pharisees were in. Please do not be blind and crucify Christ with your sin. If we live a sanctified life in harmony with God's precpets, we might make it into heaven (by grace, not works). If we disregard the requirements of God, then our hope of heaven is in vain. Do not be foolish, neither let Satan guide your thinking. Polygamy is wrong.
We are directed to "be the husband of [only] one wife." 1 Timothy 3:2; 4:12 ...see the video.
You quote to me 1 Timothy 3:2 but why not post the rest of the verse, which clearly refers to a particular chucrch position, an OVERSEER. ANd if all Christians are to be an overseer, that would mean we would all have to be married and being single would be a sin. That can't be the case though since the Apostle Paul was not married nor was Jesus, and they were both leaders/teachers.
@PolyPride3 You are absolutely correct. I mean seriously, why should anyone care in the first place? It's your life and theirs (the women). I really wish people would mind their own damn business.
@TreasuresOfTheLORD In regard to Mark 10:11, If the man 'puts away' his wife, another man shall find her and 'marry' her. Therefore, she would be an adulteress, since she was not meant to leave her husband, and what he (the husband) did in this example was/is wrong. But all throughout the Bible, there are many examples of polygyny, not to mention being sanctioned and even arranged by the god of the Bible himself.
...Christians need to keep God's Sabbath day today; if they ever expect to enter into heaven. Revelation 22:14 Why Not Ask God About The Sabbath? [ watch?v=lFfrnVKhs7E ] [ watch?v=2LkzeyiObPw ] Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? [ watch?v=XV2OTh-5zXg ] Sunday Verses [ watch?v=lBiE-n5i1ek ] [ watch?v=XLG91-nsc5Y ] God Bless your heart! PS. I also made this video on the Characteristics of Jesus Christ... [ watch?v=H3lTeXtV5Mg ]
So we go all the way back to Adam and Eve...but then ignore the rest of the Bible where God blessed Man with many wives and concubines? Hmmm...and what about divorce? If we can ignore that commandment, why not this one?
Men took multiple wives to themselves at that time, because they were in darkness in this subject. The heathen nations around them perverted their judgement; yet throughout their lives, they did feel the bitter results of marrying more than one wife. Confusion, wickedness and iniquity was the result. The marriage institution is from God. Nowehere does it say that we can ignore it. Divorce was not in God's plan, but He permitted it due to the hardness of our hearts (Mark 10:2-9)
David was a man after God's own heart when he was pure in heart and seeking the purity of God. David loved God. He wrote poetry about God. He strived for perfection in righteousness. He was after a heart of gold - to have a pure heart - just like God's heart. This is what it means when it says that he was a man after God's own heart.
When his kindgom had been established, and his sense of dependence on God was numbbed, he fell into deep, deep sin. At this particular point in
...At this particular point in his life, David ceased to be a man after God's own heart: because he was choosing the sin, rather than the purity of God.
I hope that this helps. Thanks.
PS. Blessed are they that do His Commandments. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. If thou wilt enter into life, keep The Commandments. Revelation 22:14. Exodus 20:8. Matthew 19:17
First show that polygamy was a sin then you can validly claim that David was sinning. Please refer to Genesis 29:30-32 where God is seen involving himself in a polygamy by helping Jacob to be loved by TWO women. I'm sure you've read ALL of the laws in the OT, so you should be aware that there are laws instructing on some ways on engaging in polygamy which if polygamy was a sin it would be adultery, God would be saying to KILL violators, not how to treat 2 wives fairly.
God was not helping Jacob get involved with two women. No. Laban basically tricked him into marrying Leah; when he really wanted to marry Racheal. The stipulation is that there has always been 1 wife per husband for God's people. Those that broke this stipulation back in the OT are not good examples [in this respect]! Sin = transgressing the Law (1 John 3:4). Commandment #7 is "Thou shalt not commit adultery". Polygamists commit physical AND spiritual adultery. This is the truth.
You did not read the passages I gave you in Genesis 29:30-32. I was not talking about HOW Jacob got two wives, but I'm talking about AFTER that and how God helped the condition of the marriage. AFTER Jacob married 2 women, he loved one more than the other,.. THIS IS WHEN God came in and the verses I gave you CLEARLY mention God seeing Jacob not loving his wives in a fair way and that God solving the problem.
Well Eve strayed from her husband, was tempted, and fell. This is HOW Adam and Eve fell from the grace of God and were cast out of garden, but I'm talking about AFTER that how God helped their condition. AFTER they sinned and were cast out of the garden... THIS IS WHEN God came in and made them skins, and clothed them. God had compassion on the situation, because this is just how God is. This is just the character of God. It doesn't mean that God condones it!!!
Eve strayed from her husband in a sexually immoral way? Was the sin ADULTERY? You're not making any sense because I'm talking about marriage and adultery, and you're talking about an UNRELATED topic.
cont'd from my last comment to you.. Yes the Bible mentions to NOT commit adultery but please look up what BIBLICAL adultery is. It is a wife and only her sleeps with someone other than her husband. That does not apply to husbands. And even if you were right, which you are not, that would show a contradiction because how is God giving rules on how to practice polygamy rather than saying to KILL polygamists? How is God helping Jacob an ADULTERER blessing him and his kids?
Luke 16:18 "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery." This verse says wife not wives. It says also if they marrieth another they commit adultery. These are the spoken Words of God Himself. So, we can conclude that there is to be one wife to every husband. Praying.
the video says that bishops can have 1 wife. now just because he is to be an example then by your logic everyone should be a bishop. and that is 2 verses from 2 different chapters? what about the numerous occasions that god had no problem with polygamy? and if the whole bunny-grass analogy works then why do women outnumber men in the world? are some women supposed to die alone? and only making adam & eve? what about lilith? sorry, i am just not seeing biblical evidence justifying the word sin.
@yien In the world before the flood, Polygamy became so wide-spread that most began to feel that there was nothing wrong with it. At this ignorance 'God winked at' (Acts 17:30) but from the beginning, God has ordained one wife for one husband, for marriage. The marriage will work out best that way, anyway. And the verse says 'BISHOPS are to be an example of THE BELIEVERS'. So if you are a believer, then a bishop is your example - and he only has one wife...
@TreasuresOfTheLORD i read acts 17:30 & saw nothing about "polygamy before the flood." i am now trying to figure out if u do not know the bible or r u intentionally lying about what the bibe says. and u are taking 1 aspect of a bishop's life from 1 chapter & then from another chapter saying that he is an example. not to be mimicked or deified but to set an example. by ur logic all men should be bishops. maybe becaue a bishop must tend to his flock of believers he can only manage 1 wife.
@TreasuresOfTheLORD he had a wife? maybe he did and maybe he didn't. assuming he did have a wife he did die early, maybe he didn't get that far in life. and since you follow his example am i correct in assuming that you follow mosaic law as he did? i'm sorry, i am reaaly trying to see your point but i don't think that the bible is anti-polygamy. i just can't find any evidence, in fact all the evidence is to the contrary.
@yien No... Jesus was never married when He was on earth as a man (at His first coming). He did NOT die early! He rose from the dead, proving that He's the Son of God and has ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of The Father, where He ministers as our High Priest daily; atoning for our sins every day; and since October 22nd 1844 there has been an investigative judgement into The LORD's professed people. We are currently being judged (dead first, then living). Are we true to Him?
@TreasuresOfTheLORD you just said he was married so i was going with it. i wasn't there so i can't say if he was and i don't think it would matter one way or the other. and i am pretty sure he did die early. he didn't live to get old. i didn't know that was even disputed. now, we are talking about the bible and what the bible says. you are bringing your personal beliefs into it which kind of makes the conversation pointless because they are only personal beliefs and not in the bible. cont...
@TreasuresOfTheLORD ...cont...the 10/22/1844 and the jesus atoning for sins on a daily basis and all of that are not in the bible. my question was simply where in the bible does it say polygamy is wrong because i can't find it...obviously you can not either. if you believe it is wrong no problem...but to tell ppl that the bible says its wrong seems to be intentionally misleading ppl. i think you should just say that you think its wrong instead of making things up. ppl might stop believing you.
@TreasuresOfTheLORD these bible verses have nothing to do with polygamy? i am not seeing your point at all. and slipping your oppinion in between the bible verses is kind of sneaky.
1. Jesus is not dead! He Lives! It is plainly written: "And when he [Jesus] had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight." Acts 1:9
2. The ancient OT Testament is patterned after the one in heaven. And Christ does minister for us up there, just as the levites did it down here.
3. Jesus has plainly taught (by the context) that marriage is to be between one wife and one husband.
1. ok...when i say jesus died just take that as he is not on earth living a human life. i shouldn't have to rearrange words like this but you are dwelling on the parts that don't matter and missing the point. if jesus knew he was going to leave earth then wouldn't it be irresponsible & selfish to even get married?
2. i am not sure what your point is here. if your intention is to get out of mosaic law then maybe you should read mat 5:17.
3... Having multiple partners would be committing adultery against God (firstly) and also against your wife(ves)!
Is it not written:
Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
-So as shown by the context here: Jesus expects marriage to only exist between one man and one woman. Do you not see it?
@TreasuresOfTheLORD MAT 19:9 says that whoever divorces for an unwarranted reason and remarries. you should really read the verses before and after instead of chery picking...that is not very honest. exodus 20:16
Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Ezekiel 18:11 and 15 - Notice the word 'wife' is singular.
...May The Holy Spirit speak to you: for it is useless to speak to anyone unless The Holy Spirit is there!
@TreasuresOfTheLORD luke 17:27...so eating, drinking and marrrying many wives caused the flood? so is heaven for the monogamous anorexics?
heb 13:4...is for ppl that ARE NOT MARRIED...polygamy is the act of marrying more than one wife.
eze 18:11...is talking about defiling another man's wife, the singular is because he defiled 1 wife. otherwise ppl would say its ok as long as you don't defile more than 1 wife.
@SDAToday true...what about abraham, the father of monotheism. according to this guy abraham lived in sin! the fact is, as far as i can tell, the bible has no problem with polygamy.
@yien he is guilty because he loose faith, God Promise a seed, but It didn't came, so Sarah his wife convince Hagar to lay with her husband, until they realize it was wrong, they make a mistake, they didn't trust God, until Sarah dispatch the bondwoman, SO I ASK, you SAID "what about abraham, the father of monotheism. according to this guy abraham lived in sin! the fact is, as far as i can tell, the bible has no problem with polygamy." NO PROBLEM, or did THEY FEEL GUILTY FOR DOING THOSE THINGS
@SDAToday are you saying that the bible says abraham felt guilty for taking a second wife? is this what you think or what the bible says? like i told this other guy, once you start interpreting the bible instead of reading it you get into a dangerous area. making an assumption how someone 6,000 yrs ago felt about something is kind of presumptuous. now if it says he felt guilty for that reason then i will stand corrected.
@yien again I only ask you kindly if he felt guilty Yes or No? But you show me rude and ridicule. I don't like debates for their own wisdom to win! because OWN WISDOM only brings to foolish ideas and answers, I will not anymore reply on this statement, because 1 Timothy 6:5 said "gain is godliness."
@SDAToday it was not my intention to be rude. the question is a loaded question. i do not know if he felt guilty. as i said, if the bible says he did i would stand corrected. if you want to know what i think, i do not think he felt guilty because he had another wife. why would he. it was the tradition. if he didn't like it it probably would have stopped with him because it wouldn't be a value that he passed on.
@yien then please read Genesis whole book, let the wisdom of God and the blessings of learning from the Holy Ghost enter into your mind, ... I'll keep you in my prayer friend, thats your assignment
@TreasuresOfTheLORD that verse is talking about leaving the first wife. i don't see anything that says a man can not be with more than one woman as long as he isn't cheating. "put away" his wife in other translations is "divorce". polygamy by nature is NOT divorcing the wife.
Deuteronomy 21:15 even gives rules for inheritance when you have more than one wife AND have a favorite.
i just can't find the bible being against it. but a lot allowing it.
@yien Polygamy is sin. It will exclude one from heaven. Polygamy violates the precept of 'Thou shalt not commit adultery' - Exodus 20:14.
It is evil and it is not from God. Satan seeks for men to delude themselves into believeing a lie. Polygamy is evil and is against God. Likewise for masturbation, homosexualtiy, intense sexual indulgences (even between a married couple) and all lustful thoughts violate THE LAW of God and blasphemes the authority of heaven.
@TreasuresOfTheLORD i don't know how u can say polygamy is a sin when god allows it throughout the bible & most (if not all) of the major prophets in the old testament practiced it. not only did they practice it but god had rules regarding it (not banning it.) the bible is full of what u r not allowed to do but it never says polygamy. and adultery is extramarital sexual affairs while in a polygamous relationships you are married. it worries me when ppl can decide for god that something is a sin.
@TreasuresOfTheLORD the "law" of god is plainly spelled out in leviticus and it says nothing of polygamy. don't you think it is awful presumptuous to decide something is a sin, evil or from satan? you are adding to the bible and that is where trouble starts. i am not trying to knock your beliefs if you believe you are a prophet and can add to the bible then who am i to tell you that you can't.
@yien I am not a prophet, nor do I claim to be. The Bible is plain on the subject of polygamy (Watch the video again) God Bless and Happy Sabbath (Ex. 20:8-11).
By the way, I'm only in a relationship with ONE woman. I actually don't want polygamy but I don't use MY preference to dictate to others what they can do, esp. when their choice is a moral one.
PolyPride3 4 months ago
Polygamy is a moral practice according to the Bible. The Adam and Eve story does not disprove that if you consider that polygamy can be practiced as PLURAL or multiple marriages. Notice that at best, Genesis 2 indicates how many people a marriage can have but it does NOT mention how many marriages a person can have. There's a difference so if a man wants 2 wives, he can just have 2 separate marriages. Each marriage would still have 2 people.
PolyPride3 4 months ago
@PolyPride3
What non-sensical rubbish. If a man has two wives: this is the same as having 2 marriages. This is polygamy; no matter what vocabulary is used to describe it.
By the way, do you believe in keeping the Sabbath holy?
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD
You call polygamy practiced as PLURAL or multiple marriages rubbish? How so? Prove me wrong. There are TWO people per marriage, do you agree? Show me where in the Bible that it says you can only have ONE marriage at the same time? If the Bible doesn't contradict itself, then when it approves of a man having 2 wives AND marriage involving only TWO people, the only way that can play out is if a man has TWO different marriages. That way there's no contradiction. cont'd
PolyPride3 4 months ago
cont'd from my last comment.
And by the way, that's how Christians who do practice polygamy practice it, via PLURAL or multiple marriages.
PolyPride3 4 months ago
@PolyPride3
It's not Christian.
They may profess belief in Christ. But this is in vain, because the sin wilfully.
Hebrews 10:26-27 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
These people are not Christians in the Biblical sense of the word.
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD
You keep saying that a Christian is not a Christian if they sin. How do you know what a sin is and then prove that polygamy is a sin. So far, you haven't. Until you do, I'm left with disagreeing with you.
PolyPride3 4 months ago
@PolyPride3
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Exodus 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
If you are married, and then marry again to another wife, then you are committing adultery against your first wife. This is therefore adultery. Therefore is sin.
Mark 10:11 ...Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery... Why Not Ask God About The Sabbath? [ watch?v=lFfrnVKhs7E ]
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD
Please give me specifically what adultery is, according to the Bible. If you read the LAW it only speaks about a WIFE who sleeps with someone other than her husband. It does not talk about a married man sleeping with another woman unless that other woman is married to another guy, as well. You bring up Mark 10:11, but notice the first part, "whoever put away his wife". Starting poly does not involve a divorce first, a man can still stay married and just add a 2nd marriage
PolyPride3 4 months ago
@PolyPride3
The Pharisees had gone to such great lengths in sin, that Satan had blinded their eyes and hearts.
Matthew 13:10-15 ...Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand ...this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed...
Luke 6:39 Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
We must be sure that we know who is speaking
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
@PolyPride3
"Those who do not follow in Christ's footsteps will find themselves following another leader. They have listened to strange voices until they cannot distinguish the voice of the True Shepherd." KH 212
Having more than one wife goes against God's unchanging Character. It is sin. And I fear that if you already have more than one wife then you will try to justify yourself and your position against the precepts of God. Please do not be blind. This is the same reasoning for Sunday
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
... I fear that if you already have more than one wife then you will try to justify yourself and your position against the precepts of God, rather than to humble yourself before Him as a sinner. Please do not be blind. This is the same lines of reasoning for Sunday-keeping! They are already observing Sunday; there is not a single biblical text to support it; yet they do it anyway because it will be too embarassing to humble themselves before God and change and accept the light. I percieve...
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
...I percieve that you may be in the same position as the Pharisees were in. Please do not be blind and crucify Christ with your sin. If we live a sanctified life in harmony with God's precpets, we might make it into heaven (by grace, not works). If we disregard the requirements of God, then our hope of heaven is in vain. Do not be foolish, neither let Satan guide your thinking. Polygamy is wrong.
We are directed to "be the husband of [only] one wife." 1 Timothy 3:2; 4:12 ...see the video.
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD
You quote to me 1 Timothy 3:2 but why not post the rest of the verse, which clearly refers to a particular chucrch position, an OVERSEER. ANd if all Christians are to be an overseer, that would mean we would all have to be married and being single would be a sin. That can't be the case though since the Apostle Paul was not married nor was Jesus, and they were both leaders/teachers.
PolyPride3 4 months ago
@PolyPride3 You are absolutely correct. I mean seriously, why should anyone care in the first place? It's your life and theirs (the women). I really wish people would mind their own damn business.
bigNcube 3 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD In regard to Mark 10:11, If the man 'puts away' his wife, another man shall find her and 'marry' her. Therefore, she would be an adulteress, since she was not meant to leave her husband, and what he (the husband) did in this example was/is wrong. But all throughout the Bible, there are many examples of polygyny, not to mention being sanctioned and even arranged by the god of the Bible himself.
bigNcube 3 months ago
@PolyPride3
...Christians need to keep God's Sabbath day today; if they ever expect to enter into heaven. Revelation 22:14 Why Not Ask God About The Sabbath? [ watch?v=lFfrnVKhs7E ] [ watch?v=2LkzeyiObPw ] Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? [ watch?v=XV2OTh-5zXg ] Sunday Verses [ watch?v=lBiE-n5i1ek ] [ watch?v=XLG91-nsc5Y ] God Bless your heart! PS. I also made this video on the Characteristics of Jesus Christ... [ watch?v=H3lTeXtV5Mg ]
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
So we go all the way back to Adam and Eve...but then ignore the rest of the Bible where God blessed Man with many wives and concubines? Hmmm...and what about divorce? If we can ignore that commandment, why not this one?
JimHinCO 4 months ago
@JimHinCO
Men took multiple wives to themselves at that time, because they were in darkness in this subject. The heathen nations around them perverted their judgement; yet throughout their lives, they did feel the bitter results of marrying more than one wife. Confusion, wickedness and iniquity was the result. The marriage institution is from God. Nowehere does it say that we can ignore it. Divorce was not in God's plan, but He permitted it due to the hardness of our hearts (Mark 10:2-9)
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD So permissive vs. perfect will? How could a man so perverted with a hardened heart be after God's own? Specifically, David?
JimHinCO 4 months ago
@JimHinCO
David was a man after God's own heart when he was pure in heart and seeking the purity of God. David loved God. He wrote poetry about God. He strived for perfection in righteousness. He was after a heart of gold - to have a pure heart - just like God's heart. This is what it means when it says that he was a man after God's own heart.
When his kindgom had been established, and his sense of dependence on God was numbbed, he fell into deep, deep sin. At this particular point in
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
@JimHinCO
...At this particular point in his life, David ceased to be a man after God's own heart: because he was choosing the sin, rather than the purity of God.
I hope that this helps. Thanks.
PS. Blessed are they that do His Commandments. Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. If thou wilt enter into life, keep The Commandments. Revelation 22:14. Exodus 20:8. Matthew 19:17
WHY NOT Ask GOD About The Sabbath?
watch?v=lFfrnVKhs7E
watch?v=2LkzeyiObPw
Read the description too.
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD
First show that polygamy was a sin then you can validly claim that David was sinning. Please refer to Genesis 29:30-32 where God is seen involving himself in a polygamy by helping Jacob to be loved by TWO women. I'm sure you've read ALL of the laws in the OT, so you should be aware that there are laws instructing on some ways on engaging in polygamy which if polygamy was a sin it would be adultery, God would be saying to KILL violators, not how to treat 2 wives fairly.
PolyPride3 4 months ago
@PolyPride3
God was not helping Jacob get involved with two women. No. Laban basically tricked him into marrying Leah; when he really wanted to marry Racheal. The stipulation is that there has always been 1 wife per husband for God's people. Those that broke this stipulation back in the OT are not good examples [in this respect]! Sin = transgressing the Law (1 John 3:4). Commandment #7 is "Thou shalt not commit adultery". Polygamists commit physical AND spiritual adultery. This is the truth.
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD
You did not read the passages I gave you in Genesis 29:30-32. I was not talking about HOW Jacob got two wives, but I'm talking about AFTER that and how God helped the condition of the marriage. AFTER Jacob married 2 women, he loved one more than the other,.. THIS IS WHEN God came in and the verses I gave you CLEARLY mention God seeing Jacob not loving his wives in a fair way and that God solving the problem.
PolyPride3 4 months ago
@PolyPride3
Well Eve strayed from her husband, was tempted, and fell. This is HOW Adam and Eve fell from the grace of God and were cast out of garden, but I'm talking about AFTER that how God helped their condition. AFTER they sinned and were cast out of the garden... THIS IS WHEN God came in and made them skins, and clothed them. God had compassion on the situation, because this is just how God is. This is just the character of God. It doesn't mean that God condones it!!!
TreasuresOfTheLORD 4 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD
Eve strayed from her husband in a sexually immoral way? Was the sin ADULTERY? You're not making any sense because I'm talking about marriage and adultery, and you're talking about an UNRELATED topic.
PolyPride3 4 months ago
cont'd from my last comment to you.. Yes the Bible mentions to NOT commit adultery but please look up what BIBLICAL adultery is. It is a wife and only her sleeps with someone other than her husband. That does not apply to husbands. And even if you were right, which you are not, that would show a contradiction because how is God giving rules on how to practice polygamy rather than saying to KILL polygamists? How is God helping Jacob an ADULTERER blessing him and his kids?
PolyPride3 4 months ago
Luke 16:18 "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery." This verse says wife not wives. It says also if they marrieth another they commit adultery. These are the spoken Words of God Himself. So, we can conclude that there is to be one wife to every husband. Praying.
cregen124 9 months ago
Exodus 21:10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.
-why would god give you rules regarding it and not just ban it like he did shellfish and pork?
yien 9 months ago
the video says that bishops can have 1 wife. now just because he is to be an example then by your logic everyone should be a bishop. and that is 2 verses from 2 different chapters? what about the numerous occasions that god had no problem with polygamy? and if the whole bunny-grass analogy works then why do women outnumber men in the world? are some women supposed to die alone? and only making adam & eve? what about lilith? sorry, i am just not seeing biblical evidence justifying the word sin.
yien 9 months ago
@yien In the world before the flood, Polygamy became so wide-spread that most began to feel that there was nothing wrong with it. At this ignorance 'God winked at' (Acts 17:30) but from the beginning, God has ordained one wife for one husband, for marriage. The marriage will work out best that way, anyway. And the verse says 'BISHOPS are to be an example of THE BELIEVERS'. So if you are a believer, then a bishop is your example - and he only has one wife...
TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD i read acts 17:30 & saw nothing about "polygamy before the flood." i am now trying to figure out if u do not know the bible or r u intentionally lying about what the bibe says. and u are taking 1 aspect of a bishop's life from 1 chapter & then from another chapter saying that he is an example. not to be mimicked or deified but to set an example. by ur logic all men should be bishops. maybe becaue a bishop must tend to his flock of believers he can only manage 1 wife.
yien 9 months ago
@yien ...case in point, Jesus Christ is our ultimate example - does not He have one wife?
One Church - not any other. He shall marry this one true church at His second coming, and not a counterfeit!
TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD he had a wife? maybe he did and maybe he didn't. assuming he did have a wife he did die early, maybe he didn't get that far in life. and since you follow his example am i correct in assuming that you follow mosaic law as he did? i'm sorry, i am reaaly trying to see your point but i don't think that the bible is anti-polygamy. i just can't find any evidence, in fact all the evidence is to the contrary.
yien 9 months ago
@yien No... Jesus was never married when He was on earth as a man (at His first coming). He did NOT die early! He rose from the dead, proving that He's the Son of God and has ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of The Father, where He ministers as our High Priest daily; atoning for our sins every day; and since October 22nd 1844 there has been an investigative judgement into The LORD's professed people. We are currently being judged (dead first, then living). Are we true to Him?
TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD you just said he was married so i was going with it. i wasn't there so i can't say if he was and i don't think it would matter one way or the other. and i am pretty sure he did die early. he didn't live to get old. i didn't know that was even disputed. now, we are talking about the bible and what the bible says. you are bringing your personal beliefs into it which kind of makes the conversation pointless because they are only personal beliefs and not in the bible. cont...
yien 9 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD ...cont...the 10/22/1844 and the jesus atoning for sins on a daily basis and all of that are not in the bible. my question was simply where in the bible does it say polygamy is wrong because i can't find it...obviously you can not either. if you believe it is wrong no problem...but to tell ppl that the bible says its wrong seems to be intentionally misleading ppl. i think you should just say that you think its wrong instead of making things up. ppl might stop believing you.
yien 9 months ago
@yien ...(2)
If our profession is false, then we shall be 'weighed in the balances and found wanting' (Dan. 5:27).
Polygamy is not how God originally created mankind. Satan has been successful in blinding the eyes of many to this truth.
And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. (John 9:40-41)
Good day.
TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD these bible verses have nothing to do with polygamy? i am not seeing your point at all. and slipping your oppinion in between the bible verses is kind of sneaky.
yien 9 months ago
@yien
1. Jesus is not dead! He Lives! It is plainly written: "And when he [Jesus] had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight." Acts 1:9
2. The ancient OT Testament is patterned after the one in heaven. And Christ does minister for us up there, just as the levites did it down here.
3. Jesus has plainly taught (by the context) that marriage is to be between one wife and one husband.
TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD
1. ok...when i say jesus died just take that as he is not on earth living a human life. i shouldn't have to rearrange words like this but you are dwelling on the parts that don't matter and missing the point. if jesus knew he was going to leave earth then wouldn't it be irresponsible & selfish to even get married?
2. i am not sure what your point is here. if your intention is to get out of mosaic law then maybe you should read mat 5:17.
3. you say...not the bible
yien 9 months ago
@yien
3... Having multiple partners would be committing adultery against God (firstly) and also against your wife(ves)!
Is it not written:
Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
-So as shown by the context here: Jesus expects marriage to only exist between one man and one woman. Do you not see it?
TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD MAT 19:9 says that whoever divorces for an unwarranted reason and remarries. you should really read the verses before and after instead of chery picking...that is not very honest. exodus 20:16
yien 9 months ago
@yien I feel moved to quote 2 Timothy 3:1-7...
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago
@yien
(cont) from 2 Timothy 3...
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
PS. watch?v=E54aHhl4aA0
TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD what does any of these verses have to do with polygamy?? i am still waiting...
yien 9 months ago
@yien
Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Ezekiel 18:11 and 15 - Notice the word 'wife' is singular.
...May The Holy Spirit speak to you: for it is useless to speak to anyone unless The Holy Spirit is there!
TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD luke 17:27...so eating, drinking and marrrying many wives caused the flood? so is heaven for the monogamous anorexics?
heb 13:4...is for ppl that ARE NOT MARRIED...polygamy is the act of marrying more than one wife.
eze 18:11...is talking about defiling another man's wife, the singular is because he defiled 1 wife. otherwise ppl would say its ok as long as you don't defile more than 1 wife.
yien 9 months ago
@yien how about this, HOW MANY WIVES THUS SOLOMON HAS? did he was rebuke by God or No?
SDAToday 9 months ago
@SDAToday true...what about abraham, the father of monotheism. according to this guy abraham lived in sin! the fact is, as far as i can tell, the bible has no problem with polygamy.
yien 9 months ago
@yien did Abraham accept the wish of his wife Sarah, or was he guilty because God is witnessing the act, what happen next
SDAToday 9 months ago
@SDAToday accept the wish of his wife or feel guilty? can you be more specific? what would he feel guilty about?
yien 9 months ago
@yien he is guilty because he loose faith, God Promise a seed, but It didn't came, so Sarah his wife convince Hagar to lay with her husband, until they realize it was wrong, they make a mistake, they didn't trust God, until Sarah dispatch the bondwoman, SO I ASK, you SAID "what about abraham, the father of monotheism. according to this guy abraham lived in sin! the fact is, as far as i can tell, the bible has no problem with polygamy." NO PROBLEM, or did THEY FEEL GUILTY FOR DOING THOSE THINGS
SDAToday 9 months ago
@SDAToday are you saying that the bible says abraham felt guilty for taking a second wife? is this what you think or what the bible says? like i told this other guy, once you start interpreting the bible instead of reading it you get into a dangerous area. making an assumption how someone 6,000 yrs ago felt about something is kind of presumptuous. now if it says he felt guilty for that reason then i will stand corrected.
yien 9 months ago
@yien again I only ask you kindly if he felt guilty Yes or No? But you show me rude and ridicule. I don't like debates for their own wisdom to win! because OWN WISDOM only brings to foolish ideas and answers, I will not anymore reply on this statement, because 1 Timothy 6:5 said "gain is godliness."
SDAToday 9 months ago
@SDAToday it was not my intention to be rude. the question is a loaded question. i do not know if he felt guilty. as i said, if the bible says he did i would stand corrected. if you want to know what i think, i do not think he felt guilty because he had another wife. why would he. it was the tradition. if he didn't like it it probably would have stopped with him because it wouldn't be a value that he passed on.
yien 9 months ago
@yien then please read Genesis whole book, let the wisdom of God and the blessings of learning from the Holy Ghost enter into your mind, ... I'll keep you in my prayer friend, thats your assignment
SDAToday 9 months ago
what about Exodus 21:10?
yien 9 months ago
@yien
Jesus gives a good answer to this. Read Mark 10:2-12
Mark 10
2 And the Pharisees came to Him, and asked Him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.
3 And He answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.
TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago
@yien
6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
11 And He saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
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TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD that verse is talking about leaving the first wife. i don't see anything that says a man can not be with more than one woman as long as he isn't cheating. "put away" his wife in other translations is "divorce". polygamy by nature is NOT divorcing the wife.
Deuteronomy 21:15 even gives rules for inheritance when you have more than one wife AND have a favorite.
i just can't find the bible being against it. but a lot allowing it.
yien 9 months ago
@yien Polygamy is sin. It will exclude one from heaven. Polygamy violates the precept of 'Thou shalt not commit adultery' - Exodus 20:14.
It is evil and it is not from God. Satan seeks for men to delude themselves into believeing a lie. Polygamy is evil and is against God. Likewise for masturbation, homosexualtiy, intense sexual indulgences (even between a married couple) and all lustful thoughts violate THE LAW of God and blasphemes the authority of heaven.
Happy Sabbath.
TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD i don't know how u can say polygamy is a sin when god allows it throughout the bible & most (if not all) of the major prophets in the old testament practiced it. not only did they practice it but god had rules regarding it (not banning it.) the bible is full of what u r not allowed to do but it never says polygamy. and adultery is extramarital sexual affairs while in a polygamous relationships you are married. it worries me when ppl can decide for god that something is a sin.
yien 9 months ago
@TreasuresOfTheLORD the "law" of god is plainly spelled out in leviticus and it says nothing of polygamy. don't you think it is awful presumptuous to decide something is a sin, evil or from satan? you are adding to the bible and that is where trouble starts. i am not trying to knock your beliefs if you believe you are a prophet and can add to the bible then who am i to tell you that you can't.
yien 9 months ago
@yien I am not a prophet, nor do I claim to be. The Bible is plain on the subject of polygamy (Watch the video again) God Bless and Happy Sabbath (Ex. 20:8-11).
TreasuresOfTheLORD 9 months ago