Grateful thanks to JP for his all his work in informing all who wish to understand the causes of poverty in the world. How honest human endeavor is constantly undermined by the cynical exploitation by the rich and powerful on the ordinary working human being trying to provide a decent life for themselves and their family. Important to remember, we can take back that power by standing together........we are many.....they are few!
in indonesia there's many rich people, but also poor people... if u go to indonesia, don't just go to great tourist place.. try go to other place.. u'll see many poor people.. if u ride a car, n u see many beggar, that's ordinary thing...indonesia are rich, but poor... and the poor become more poor because most of them not get enough educations.. education is important, but they get not enough education, we can't not just say to work harder.... we must see this from all sides, economy, bla2...
@zagmardiav You can't educate a country that doesn't want to learn. Japan made something of itself in only 60 years, China turned itself around in only 30, America funded both of them, but your country actually has to WANT to change before it will.
Otherwise, they'll be just another parasite, soaking up America's foreign-aid, and bitching that we don't give "enough"!
@EPGAH You think people like being poor? No, which we have already been over countless times. The poor are exploited, nothing to do with wanting to learn.
And your whole argument about people having children or marrying citizens in order to stay is invalid, as is shown in the website which you obviously decided not to visit. That's what 'deportations can be mandated despite U.S. spouses or dependants' means, it means the US government CAN deport ANY immigrant they choose to, regardless.
I think one reason why the goverment lets immigrants in to the country is cos it boosts the economy more people to pay off the debt more people to tax it can make the country more productive,
Weren't GM and Ford forced to ask the government for billions of dollars or else delcare bankruptcy? It's a common mistake to assume that these 'masters of the universe' are competent.
@Falstaff85 Yes, but we can no longer afford "Peace At Any Price" with the Auto Industry. AND given that 6-8 HUNDRED THOUSAND jobs were moved from Missouri to Mexico, we can infer that "What's good for GM is NOT good for America" anymore!
Lets pretend for a second that there was a world wide union that demanded the same wage for the same type of work world wide. A shoe maker in America earns the same amount as one in Indonesia. Does anyone believe that American manufacturers would be willing to relocate their factories to Indonesia then pay the extra amount to have the goods shipped here? no, they would stay here and make shoes, leaving most Indos unemployed and worse off than they were had they been working for less.
@scrappmutt2 That's right, they'd stop getting our jobs, so it's their own greed that makes them exploitable! They'd either have to develop their own industry or devolve back into an agrarian subsistence economy.
They want more than they deserve, even if it's less than an American gets, AND because it IS less than an American gets, they can claim to be exploited, even if the Cost Of Living in lesser countries is about 1/10 of what it is here!
@scrappmutt2 As long as lesser cultures believe it's their RIGHT to breed too much, they can never make their lives better, they keep undercutting THEMSELVES!
More people competing for the same jobs=Lower Wages
More people competing for the same goods=Higher Prices
Lower Wages+Higher Prices=Shit QOL for EVERYONE!
And if they refuse to work, holding out for better wages, even assuming there are no scabs in the same country, they'll just find a country that is more greedy than smart to work cheap!
@EPGAH I agree with you half heatedly, but the thing you are missing is we were once a nation of poor farmers in the same position. There are many steps between going from a poor agricultural 3rd world nation to an industrial, 1st world one. Many of these "sweat shop" nations are on the first step of that journey. I highly recommend a documentary called "Globalization is Good" as a rebuttal to this documentary
@scrappmutt2 They are not on the "first step" to anything, by offering themselves up as scabs and undercutting American labor and any MEANINGFUL negotiations between management and labor, they've abdicated their own industrial (r)evolution and/or independence. The reason lesser countries take lower wages is that things are still cheap there, low wages are still good if things are cheap. But our money distorts that and causes inflation, so they HAVE to take our "better" jobs just maintain parity!
@scrappmutt2 Because things are expensive in America, American Corporations can AFFORD to offer more money than any "local" company can, so that country can't advance. I'm all in favor of "competition", but that is Grand-Scale Cheating!
Plus, of course, this video overlooks the effects on Americans, if we're not paid, we can't afford to buy the expensive goodies!
Lesser countries want our advancement, our technologies, our comforts, without having to grow up and work for it, Faust-style!
One thing noone has never answered me: Why don't the lesser countries organize and fight for better wages, better working conditions, the way my ancestors had to, rather than undercutting American wages and QOL?
@57worldwide If you spent half as much time thinking as you do insulting, you'd be a much more effective debater.
OMG, they used force on lesser cultures! You really think the Americans said, "You're exploiting us, stop working women and children to death and give Men better wages!" and the Corporations bent over and complied? Look up "strikebreakers", if you like, I found a couple good vids even here on YouTube! The difference is, Americans were willing to take casualties for what we believe!
@EPGAH What is a strike going to acheive? Are you really that stupid? You compare the third world to former USA?
You don't want to learn, you are a scab. You are taking advantage of the technology and imagining there is evidence which supports your stupid prejudice.
@57worldwide At best, it would achieve American jobs returning to America, like scrappmutt implied. At worst, America would have to pay the losers a little more.
I am not a scab, you moron, I am one of the American workers the foreign ingrates are trying to replace. If they want more money and better way of life like Americans have, they should EARN it, rather than trying to POACH it from Americans. Or be satisfied with their old savage ways. I've been saying that for over a week!
@EPGAH You are taking advantage of the technology which you tout as being exclusively Western, you are a scab. You did not develop this technology, yet you want to use it as a resource to try to appear stronger.
Again, if an American goes overseas do they automatically become a scab? If not, why do you claim ALL people who come to the US from Mexico are scabs? Can you make a point which stands on it's own merit, or am I supposed to look at half of the information to come to your conclusion?
@57worldwide I could make better points if you'd look at more than one post at a time, or we could take this to PM, where the 500 char limit does not apply.
Americans, that is people who belong to and benefit America, developed it!
Americans go abroad to spread knowledge and expertise. Illegals bring nothing but crime and poverty and more of themselves, they have no skills, else Mexico would not let them go, they are mindless muscle that America would be better off replacing with robots.!
@57worldwide Remember, other countries don't HAVE to let in Americans in, but they act like coming into America is their damn BIRTHRIGHT! Immigration is a FAVOR, which is why they have a criteria/background system similar to seeking a job.
"Here's my skillset, here's what I have to offer, I will do my best to be a useful part of your country." elicits one response.
"You better let me AND MY FAMILY in and mooch from your country, you racist bastards!" gets another! Do you understand better now?
@EPGAH The people who immigrate to the country legally and then are discriminated against in Arizona, are somehow lesser?
That is your error. You previously stated that US has a superior culture, then recanted to say that the middle class of the US is a distinct and superior culture. When people immigrate legally to America from Mexico, some have qualifictions/skillsets which are useful and benefit the society. If you still want to claim Mexicans have a lesser culture, interaction ends.
@EPGAH Sigh. I have already told you about the cops who pulled over a Mexican immigrant, then claimed he tried to run away in order for him to serve a prison sentence and then be sent back to Mexico. To say this instance was motivated by anything other than ethnicity is ignorant, you deserve no more of my time.
To claim the discrimination is not because of skin colour is incorrect. There are Mexicans who do assimilate, you wish to marginalise or even disregard them in order to keep trumpeting.
@57worldwide There are SOME who assimilate, but a goodly amount CHOOSE not to, and therefore, the whole group becomes impugned because of that.
Do you remember 20 years ago, we could go to any country and proudly declare ourselves as Americans, and they would treat us with kid gloves, whether after our money, or because they were afraid of American retribution? Now people "Hate" Americans due to our halfass war on terrorists, and some pretend to be Canadian or German to avoid violent retribution
@57worldwide Also, how can you be sure they gave up their old loyalty? The leader of the invading country, Calderon, claims that 50 MILLION of the people in America are loyal to HIM still, the wrong side of the border. Why should we trust an agent of another country, which presumably has an agenda that doesn't coincide with America's agenda, and in several key places, is in diametric contravention?
@57worldwide Check my featured video for a good example of Mexico's culture's USUAL product in America.
The reason our Founding Fathers set up immigration WITH LIMITS in the first place is that they would bring their old habits, their old beliefs, their old beefs, and try to impose them on America(ns)!
We had quotas, we would accept X much from Y country, and no more. Given that, if immigration was "fair", we'd cut off immigration from Mexico entirely for awhile and focus on better countries!
@57worldwide A friend just sent me a vid (A bit late), that humorously explains it all. What we're going through now is a "Transfer Of Wealth": Give what little the good people have left to the bad people, so that they will become dependent on Government "Generosity", then the GOOD people become expendable, and the remaining people can't understand why the country is a mess!
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Zimbabwe already went through this "process", want me to get you vids of it?
@EPGAH Don't compare Zimbabwe to the US. Irrelevant. Zimbabwe was a seizure of land, under the guise of 'giving land to the landless'. Since you brought it up, how many homeless Zimbabweans were actually given land? How many Zimbabweans were made homeless and unemployed by Mugabe's 'clean up' project?
It is not transferring your wealth to another country. Instead, the rich in your country (and others) are exploiting their people and mineral wealth. Make an accurate analagy, for once.
@57worldwide Zimbabwe is when a lesser culture invades and takes over from a better culture. Mexico claims America as "theirs", and if they take it over, in the guise of making their lives better, they will screw it up as they did their own country.
NOONE except Mugabe and his closest friends benefited. Farms are inert, tractors are rusted solid to the ground, people are EATING the seeds, rather than planting...Hard to believe that used to be a net food EXPORTER when the Civilized World ran it!
@EPGAH A lesser culture? Retard, some of the Whites also voted Mugabe in. The problems in Zimbabwe can be attributed to the greed for power of Mugabe, you fucking retard. I know Zimbabwe was once known as Africa's Food Basket. Mugabe was a war hero. He is a former member of one of the two former warring factions which cooperated and formed Zanu PF, of which he is now the leader.
You obviously have either very little understanding, or you want to omit certain information.
@57worldwide You are bringing race into it. Mugabe made little secret that he wanted to return "Africa for the Africans", so any whites who voted him in might have been the same self-destructive "White Guilt" types we have here in America.
How is his war-hero status relevant? McCain was a "war hero", and lost, might Obama's victory be from ethnicity? Like Monty Python, "To PROVE we're not racist, we'll elect a Black, even if he's proven a smooth-talking incompetent!"
@EPGAH You want to believe Obama was Black? He was raised by a White woman, is related to Cheney and has the same family ties as the previous US president. Anyone who voted for Obama voted for an illusion of a different government, you are ignorant for even trying to bring the race into it.
@57worldwide He sells himself as the BLACK President, which completely ignores and denigrates his "raised by a white woman", he calls any detractor "racist". He's betrayed Americans and our allies at every turn, apologized to our enemies, added 4 more fronts to the War On Terror WITHOUT finishing the first...All of these ARE CHANGES, but not POSITIVE CHANGES!
If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not racist, vote for ANYTHING else in 2012 to prove you're not THAT gullible--twice!
@57worldwide You should also make special note that Mugabe kicked out or killed all members of the Civilized World and the people who had assimilated to make their lives better, as "collaborators". That's why "Zimbabwe" is a lot worse than "Rhodesia", even though they occupy the same PHYSICAL SPACE!
Better Culture takes over from Lesser Culture=Prosperity&Advancement
Lesser Culture takes over from Better Culture=Chaos&Death!
@EPGAH Mugabe did not kick out the Whites from Zimbabwe. Nobody forced anyone to leave Zimbabwe, there was no forced exodus. Blacks and Whites have both chosen to leave Zimbabwe, I know Black and White Zimbabweans. You retard. Another rumour you believe is factual.
How long did it take for the state of Zim to enter it's current condition? Do you even know, or do you assume it was all 'Blackie's' fault? Retard.
@57worldwide It all happened under Mugabe, so unless his predecessor set the Self-Destruct system on the country, it IS Mugabe's fault. To defend his land-grab just because of his race is ridiculous.
Similarly, a lot of apologists in America blame Bush even though OBAMA is the one who got Congress to approve TARP, and/or drove America deeper into debt than anyone past, present, and hopefully future.
We can't point out the inefficiencies of non-whites without being called "racist"?
@EPGAH When did I defend the land-grab, yu fucking idiot! I said 'there was no forced exodus'. Your pointing out 'inefficiencies of non-Whites' fails to consider the effect the Whites had in, for example, Obama's RISE to the presidency.
It is ALL Mugabe's fault, the problems in Zimbabwe. But like Morgan Stvangirai has said,'without help in the means of foreign aid, Zimbabwe cannot improve it's situation on it's own. You have tried to say one man's actions are that of a lesser CULTURE.
@57worldwide Back when it was RHODESIA, it was under control of the Civilized World, and it was prosperous. Why would they NEED Foreign Aid, if they were prosperous?
Mugabe claimed his rise was "locals taking it back"!
And did you ignore that Mugabe was backed by RUSSIA? So yes, foreign interference had a hand in it, and they can't improve without our help, but more importantly, we can't improve them, as long as:
@57worldwide Also, how much of our Foreign Aid goes to overthrowing Mugabe, and how much HELPS HIM, rather than the country?
They want our HELP, but bitch about our "interference", which is why many Americans want to just let them suffer until they get a more supplicant, grateful attitude.
Or we could just take their shit over DIRECTLY, and BECOME the Evil Empire that other countries accuse us of being!
@EPGAH cont... To claim that the actions of one man are that of a CULTURE, implies that the one man is the same as the rest who share his ethnicity. That is racist, yet you object to being called racist. There are many Blacks in Zim who oppose Mugabe, are they of the supposedly 'superior culture'? Or, are you trying to use your utter stupidity in order to reassert Mugabe's 'cultural inferiority'?
Why would they need foreign aid, if they were prosperous 2 DECADES AGO? Are you that stupid? Really
@57worldwide 2 decades ago, they were prosperous and didn't need our help. Now that their Fearless Leader has "returned them to native rule" and fucked them up, they need Foreign Aid--but resent "The West's" (America's) "interference"
And yes, the ones who oppose Mugabe and favor a return to Civilized World rule WOULD be of or collaborators of, superior culture. I don't care if they're black, white, orange, plaid, or tentacle aliens, it's their decisions/actions!
@EPGAH Tsvangirai is the OPPOSITION leader. No aid could go to Zimbabwe with the intentions of improving their infrastructure or economy while Mugabe was STILL in power.
Their decisions/actions are not what determines your opinion. It is a decision or action of a highlighted individual which causes you to form your opinion of the whole group. Such as calling Mexicans a lesser culture, that the actions of the ones who assimilate into US society don't count. Not racist? (scoffs at your denial)
@57worldwide Did you read the SNOPES article I pointed you to? If they assimilate, they're no longer Mexicans (Or whatever other cult/culture/tribe/faction), they're Americans who happen to have X descent.
If they play their old, supposedly discarded culture up, and demand "special" treatment for it, they should not complain when the "special" treatment turns out to be negative, should they?
Did you know America's national motto is E Pluribus Unum?
@EPGAH That's not true, in the eyes of the law. If they weren't born in the US, they are still Mexicans.
'Giving up control to the civilised world' - you mean, like the country in this video? Where their rights are ignored, in order for their government to stay in favour with the allegedly civilised? Where their mineral wealth will be given to another country, and little will return into their economy? You are such a joke.
@57worldwide We pay for everything we "take". And in many cases, OVER-pay...Or in Iraq, pay AND PROVIDE SECURITY for someone ELSE to steal the resources!
Otherwise, why isn't gas a quarter a gallon by now?
And actually, as that other poster noted, it DOES benefit their economy temporarily, but makes their economy an inflated subset of ours. Also, note, those countries are NOT "New Markets" if they can't afford what they produce, but rather welfare-cases!
Here's a vid of how Zimbabwe is "better off" under their own control. Buy the movie, "Zimbabwe and the White Farmer", it's expected to get an Oscar nomination, but I predict it'll be shut out for being uncomfortably truthful and/or Politically Incorrect.
@57worldwide Countries make their own deals to lure in Corporate "business", from not charging taxes to skipping environmental regulations. Oddly, America is the one who gets the shit for being "environmentally unsound", then those same people turn around and say "regulations in America are killing jobs".
Other countries do whatever they feel they have to to get ahead and don't listen to anyone telling them no, jailing protesters, whether their own or invaders.
@57worldwide Ireland is a DEVELOPED country that has done exactly that, zero taxes for business, then they wonder why they're moneyless. I hope they don't put their heads together, that would cause an earthquake!
America bails out failed businesses and gives some NEGATIVE tax-rates--and they don't want to settle here because we have a few environmental regulations?!
@EPGAH The USA is not the country which gets the most shit for being environmentally unsound. I think the most emphasis is on China. New Zealand has only pledge to cut back to 50% of current emmissions by 2050, compared to the proposed 20% by 2020. Perhaps the reason you believe the US is being 'demonised' is because you live in the USA?
Southern Ireland is also an IT centre. It seems somewhat comical that you try to make out that they aren't intelligent... Stereotype much?
@57worldwide Well, China and Kenya (of all places) SHOULD get the most shit for it, as they pollute the most. Coal is an exceptional pollutant, and "clean" coal puts mercury into groundwater.
My jab was at Ireland's Government, for putting taxes at zero for their biggest moneymakers and wondering why they can't maintain their social program. Are you not going to be satisfied until ALL nations end up like Greece?
@EPGAH Greece's problems are derived from the politicians, as are most countries with representative democracy. You are almost saying 'the US is a great model for the rest of the world (just ignore the myriad of social and economic problems which we have. They are the fault of other cultures).'
Are you the same dude that proposed that the movement of Black and Latino populations into the South Bronx caused the property values to lower? Are you the same guy who blames the cause on the effect?
@57worldwide If by "politicians" you mean "wealth redistribution programs", then I agree.
Actually, I think China has the best model RIGHT NOW, but it would be unsustainable if EVERY country acted like China. Plus, some don't have the muscle and would be just STOMPED if they got that arrogant!
I didn't propose that although it DOES make sense that if a neighborhood fills with poor, violent people, then the people who can will get the hell out, and MORE poor&violent will move in, doesn't it?
@EPGAH No, I mean the politicians who were allocated a large amount of money and changed nothing with the way their system is set up. It isn't 'wealth distribution', it is that the benefits and pensions were larger than the amount of tax generated. The politicians are still fat though, so the money can't be getting 're-distributed' very far.
Remember, when I told you about the Cross Bronx Expressway? That was you, right? You remember, poor people can't move in BEFORE property value is lowered?
@57worldwide Wow, welfare bigger than revenue generated...Sounds like something I told you in the other thread...And again, how much of that "welfare" is getting to the losers in whose Name it's being extracted?
I told someone in another thread, all you have to have is ONE HOUSE declared Section 8, undesirables will move in, and the Government will pay for it. Obama's own Aunt is one of them, living off Americans for years, despite two deportation orders. ACLU muscled her into "citizenship"!
Think about this for a second. The Jewish community of the South Bronx was the majority before WWII. The Cross Bronx Expressway was proposed in 1945, which then led to the 'White Flight', in turn leading to property values lowering, which then lead to the lower income communities becoming established. See, cause (proposed expressway) leads to effect (White Flight). Effect (lower income district) does not lead to cause (lowering property values).
@57worldwide And once the good people leave a neighborhood and the dregs entrench therein, doesn't that decrease property values even FURTHER?
Why do you think no business "makes it" in a bad neighborhood except pawn shops and liquor stores? And even those have bars across the windows...
Plus, I'll be the First to tell you, bad neighborhoods spread, until one group says, "NO! We're not leaving, you should behave according to the laws of OUR nation, not your old one!"
@EPGAH The good people? Oh, so having a higher income makes you good... Now I understand why you are so biased towards the people who are so evil as to be born into poverty. They should have chosen to be born into advantage, right?
So, in other words, had the Jewish people decided to stay in the South Bronx, the economic situation there would not have deteriorated? There is an obvious reason you work on a computer and you don't fix problematic neighbourhoods. You wouldn't know where to start.
@57worldwide You said in the other channel that the REASON people commit crime is that they're "desperate". I didn't accept that as an excuse, but you do, apparently. The parents should have chosen to use birth-control or get neutered, rather than ensure generational poverty.
Well, there have been "urban renewal" bills, forcing people to cut their lawn and get rid of the debris in it--but the ACLU is helping "lower-income" people fight against these laws! Do you think that's funny?
@EPGAH It is not the reason all people commit crime. Corporate fraud cannot usually be attributed to desperation, yet you want to claim the petty criminal is the worst threat to you quality of life.
I don't accept excuses for crime, we have to reduce the elements which may be more likely to lead to crime. Simply killing someone will not remove the criminal element from the society, it won't be getting rid of the social imbalance. We don't have to be communist, just decrease the gap.
@57worldwide The "petty" criminal now shoots cops, civilians, even other criminals, in its quest to get an undeserved "better life", so yes, I'd consider that a pretty big threat, not to my QUALITY of life, to my life itself! Cops can't quarantine the bad people!
I didn't invest in the stock market, somehow intuiting it as a sucker's game, so that's no threat to me. Bailing out failed Corporations at the expense of myself and the Corporations that DIDN'T fuck up is bad, but not as violent...
@57worldwide As to your "reduce the gap" idea, there are only two ways to do that: Take from the rich and give to the poor. It's already been "experimentally" proven over the last 3 decades in America that if you give money to poor people, they'll breed more, blow their newfound wealth and demand more. And if you take from the rich, they'll just take our balls and move to a country that doesn't!
Ever heard "The More Bitches, The Less Riches"? If they bred less, they would be LESS POOR!
@57worldwide Of course, that'd be too damn EASY, and they couldn't blame the Civilized World anymore, so they won't do that, they'll just "let" us keep shelling out as they keep popping out, and loudly wonder why they're still poor...There was a couple at the restaurant today with that exact problem! 4 kids and another on the way, wondering why they couldn't afford the things they wanted! Their mistake was that both spouses were WORKING instead of gaming the Welfare System, not the brood, right?
@EPGAH Again, the population is not what makes the pverty thrive. If that were the case, the property values in the South Bronx would have increased when the houses were emptying! You even complain about people who are working and raising children, so how can you keep on with the same attitude? It isn't that having children lowers your IQ, or that having less children increases IQ.
The problem is usually what they want, and then the means they try to get it. Working hard to save up doesn't pay?
@57worldwide Working hard and saving up WOULD make their lives better, but if they have more than 2 kids, that's not saving. In the modern world, with child labor laws, kids are an investment at best, an expense at worst. The cost of raising a child to age 10 is $100,000! Multiple kids=multiple $100K expenditures!
Also, having more kids just makes people even MORE interchangeable, MORE expendable! DrRandomerCam at the bottom of the Comments here put it better than I could.
@EPGAH I particularly like the statement you made about taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor; you put it that the poor just 'blow it all and demand more'. If you think about what the rich do with it (eg banking, only earning money for themselves and their banks), the poor SPENDING money is good for THE WHOLE ECONOMY. Not just their back pocket.
Working hard and saving up does not pay when you have a low income job. You have already said, there aren't enough jobs.
@57worldwide That's why wealth-redistribution will fail. The poor want to keep breeding and wondering why it "does not pay". Stopping them is "genocide", right?
Price-controls worked twice in the past, (See Great Depression) but nobody wants to go there.
Actually, the Middle-Class spend money too, did you know that? We HAVE to just to survive!
And the rich spend, but on frivolous things and/or lesser countries. Bailing them out HAS created jobs--in China and India! Or Mrs. Obama's $6K purse?
@57worldwide Remember, poor people are just a money tool for the rich as well, a Sword of Damocles over the head of the Middle Class, getting rid of the poor in America would force the rich to invest in machinery--And building, repairing, programming it is JUST the kind of skilled, "clean" jobs that all nations supposedly want, right?
Mexico benefits by "getting rid of" their poor by dumping on us, how do WE get rid of them?
@EPGAH Mexico is not getting rid of their poor. Like you have already stated, only a land border separates their population from yours. You must not understand, illegal immigrants are not illegal simply by being more poor than you. Wait, you thought the US laws were constructed in order to keep poverty out? No?
Your example of a Spanish speaking country which is not a bad example, Spain, is failing. As is Italy.
Building machinery will simply cause more dependence upon oil. Ask China.
@57worldwide No, they're just "failing to keep them". "You're poor, we don't want you, we'll look the other way as you invade another country that doesn't want you"
I believe the IMMIGRATION laws were constructed to take the best and leave the rest to rot, yes.
While building more machinery will need more oil, yes, do you think that letting more biological drones in is miraculously oil-free? Illegals drive, and without insurance, the cost is transferred to the honest people.
@EPGAH You say 'immigration laws are designed for...' after calling the immigrants invaders who don't DESERVE to be in the USA. If you haven't noticed, the Mexican government was at war with drug cartels. Could they really stop the flow of illegal immigrants? I mean, the US can't even do that, and their military budget accounts for half the whole world's military expenditure.
Does it make more sense when it gets put into perspective? People wanting to escape open warfare on the streets?
@57worldwide I said ILLEGALS are invaders who don't deserve to be in the US. Fleeing crime in their own country SOUNDS like a Noble Cause, until they break the laws of a better country to "escape" it, and continue breaking laws WHILE HERE "to survive".
We don't use our military force against Mexico. That's part of the problem. If the Border Patrol and/or National Guard used their guns on a few illegals, that might make them reconsider?
Then there's scum like that Leal Garcia. Did you read that?
@EPGAH I'm sure they are allowed to shoot at anyone trying to cross the border.
You are still lumping all illegal immigrants into the same category, eg 'those who commit a crime (entering the country illegally) will continue to commit crimes (which are not related to entering USA illegally). The people who committed crimes were not caused to do so directly as a result of crossing the border illegally. Also, not every illegal immigrant is committing a robbery/murder. Just keep blaming others.
@57worldwide If they enter America in violation of law--and for that matter, in violation of the Mexicans giving their Word they'd keep their shit on their side of the border, then yes, that does seem to put them in a less trustworthy "class".
Illegal immigration is, by definition, undermining our capability to keep out the riffraff.
If they were of any worth whatsoever, America would have let them in LEGALLY, since we let in more people than 5 nations PUT TOGETHER, even though we don't need to!
@EPGAH Still, you ignore the legal immigrants being sent back due to a biased legal system. If it wasn't discrimination, there would be nothing for me to give as examples. Fact is, more people with darker skin are sentenced to prison. This fact is irrespective of the crime for which they were convicted.
As far as working illegally, yes; illegal immigrants will work illegally. Does it benefit them more, or the employer? Who has taken advantage?
@57worldwide We have 320 MILLION people in America, and an unemployment rate of (Insert your favorite double-digit number here), why the hell would we NEED to let in more people at all? And if we DO let in more people, doesn't it seem like we should let them in from a more useful country, at the very least guaranteeing ourselves a "Better Class Of Losers" to plagiarize the old song?
By making it hard to immigrate, we also make sure people really WANT in. If it was easy, EVERYONE would do it!
@EPGAH Have you listened to much I have said? You really believe the rest of the world wants to be US citizens? Do you think Mexicans wouldn't immigrate to another technologically advanced country if it was easier to do so?
Where have I stated that anyone needs to be 'let' in? Anywhere?
@57worldwide Have you skipped a few of my messages? That's exactly the problem: They don't want citizenship, they want the BENEFITS of civilization without the annoyance of building it up.
So many people want to come into America, only because it's better, and that's not from "destiny", that's from America making the RIGHT decisions, and their country fucking up. Why should any of them get to come in, rather than suffer the consequences of their failed decisions?
@EPGAH America is not better than every country. Your pig-headed statements smack of arrogance and ignorance.
How can you be so sure that no illegal immigrant would not want to be a citizen? Assuming, much? I believe many Mexicans wouldn't try to immigrate to a country on the other side of the world, primarily because it is on the other side of the world. Does that mean none will?
Your last question can be answered very easily: Do the sons have to pay for the sins of the father?
@57worldwide I never said America is better than every country, in fact, I JUST agreed with you that Mexican dregs only come here because it's "easy" to do so.
If they wanted to be a citizen, they would've waited in line, it's that simple. I would LOVE for them to invade another country, I recommend China.
And your last question is the easiest: It's not a PUNISHMENT, it's POSSESSION. I didn't make the choices Bill Gates made, should I get access to what he's earned?
@EPGAH I actually agreed with you, that they enter the USA because it is geographically easier. If they wanted to be a citizen and didn't mind war on the streets between their government and drug cartels, they probably would wait in line. Perhaps, they did wait in line though? Perhaps some weren't allowed to immigrate legally, and still felt they wanted to pursue a better life? After all, you say USA is better and you live there; why wouldn't someone who has never been there think the same way?
@57worldwide What's the big hurry? America's been here 230 years, honest people have been in line up to 7 years, due to their countries' shitty record-keeping practices and wanting to bring their families in.
And if some were not allowed, they should RESPECT that decision and stay the hell out! NO MEANS NO!
Cultures that are our equal or better don't NEED to sneak in, they come in the front door!
Just because we're too generous with our immigration doesn't mean EVERYONE gets in, nor should they!
@EPGAH So, Mexicans who wait to enter legally are from a different culture than the ones who enter illegally? I don't agree.
Those who have less should just learn to live with less, right? So, those countries with illegal immigrants should just learn to live with illegal immigrants? Maybe you should just focus on what you need to do, instead of worrying yourself with other people's actions. Do you still claim the petty criminals damage your pretty USA more than corporate criminals?
@57worldwide I don't agree that we have to live with thieves.
All thieves are granting themselves a "bailout", realizing that they don't have enough to continue, but rather than just accepting that, they take from those who have earned a better life, to avoid the negative consequences of their decisions. As you said, we have our own thieves, so why should we accept any other country's?
I would say the same if we bordered ANY other poor, amoral country, North Korea, Zimbabwe, etc.
@57worldwide If you believe that criminals are no different than honest people, then YOU are the racist, that means there's no difference between OJ Simpson and Bill Cosby, right?
And, since there's no difference between the law-abiding and law-breaking, Americans would break the law too, establishing a top-rated Pay-Per-View show called "Herd Thinner" where they kill as many lesser cultures as they can within the time-limit. Arizonans would be the odds-on favorites, with constant new herds...
@EPGAH You should accept more thieves for the same reason you believe a poor person should accept poverty.
When did I say criminals are no different to people who abide by law? You are the one who said Mexico is inferior to the US. I simply use what you have previously said against you, trying to show you how stupid it was to not only think it in the first place, but to repeat to the observers how you think bias is correct. You can't justify the way you think, without ignoring information.
@57worldwide That's incredibly circular reasoning. If people accepted their life, they wouldn't steal to make their lives "better" at the expense of someone else! Therefore, we wouldn't have to accept more theft. I have already said that if an organism or organization has to steal to survive, the thing it is leeching FROM will try to kill it, survival instinct, right?
Mexico's "culture" indicates the law is optional, and violence is physical. American culture plays UP the law, and violence on TV
@57worldwide I also find it odd that you claim to be "Against Racism", but don't mind a tit when lesser cultures feel the need to bring us "evil" white, blue-eyed "Devils" down to "Make Us Understand". It could not possibly be that they are jealous of our success and want to steal it for themselves, right?
If you're against racism, you should be against racism when it occurs in the OPPOSITE direction as well, right?
@EPGAH What the fuck are you talking about? /watch?v=FwP4Xf2pQek
You are so stupid, you attack a position I don't stand on! How can you assume I am only against one form of racism? You think I support racism which isn't perpetrated by White people?
How can you claim you know what Mexico's culture is, if you are allegedly from a different culture? All that you say, is nonsense. The petty criminals don't hurt anyone as much as the corporate fraudsters.
@57worldwide Well, from your previous statements defending Indians, Mexicans, and other lesser cultures, it is easy to get the wrong impression.
I may or may not have the "right" impression of Mexico's "culture", but I see what they present themselves as on OUR side of the border, and I don't want it!
Let's say each Corporation is equal to a MILLION petty criminals. Calderon says there are 50 MILLION illegals in America, but there were LESS than 50 Corps who got the latest taxpayer "largesse"!
@57worldwide No, when they "decide" that our laws are optional, but once they enter our country, rather than keeping a low profile, or kissing our ass for making a better civilization for them to mooch from, they start throwing tantrums in the streets that invaders are treated as unwanted parasites instead of valued guests!
Then when offered the chance to pay their own way, they fight that too!
Their actions and attitudes have earned them distrust. YOU are the retard if you don't see that!
@57worldwide You're ignoring information too. Indians never MADE a country, Mexico's "culture" made a country so horrible that even a few MILLION of their own people don't want to stay there, so that might be why I call them "lesser cultures".
Calling me equal to foreign parasites or a nomadic savage is an insult far beyond "retard"...Do you admit you have no logical reason to defend these scum left, so you have to resort to name-calling?
@57worldwide Not if we go out the front door, with a Visa and permission to enter the other country! And certainly America's exodus is less in number than Mexico's!
As to shit that isn't real, are you saying Mexicans do NOT sneak into America, then do NOT agitate for the same rights as citizens, do NOT commit violence against their unwilling hosts and earn a bad reputation?
So these marches in our streets are hallucinations somehow captured on video?
@EPGAH I'm saying that is not all Mexicans. You say they are lesser.
Germany's population has a similar number of immigrants, compared to the US population. Far lower proportions of immigrants in Germany are incarcerated.
You have previously admitted you judge the whole group by the actions of some. You disregard or ignore the actions of those which don't fit your stereotyped views. US citizens leaving the USA doesn't make the US inferior, so why use that reasoning for Mexico?
@57worldwide There was only one post you responded to and you STILL didn't read it!
Americans leave our country LEGALLY, and enter the other country LEGALLY.
Moreover, the American Consulate does NOT interfere when an American runs afoul of THEIR laws, but the Mexican Consulate ALWAYS tries to interfere with justice HERE!
As to less immigrants incarcerated in Germany, wouldn't that prove my point, that the ones dumped on us are trash and Germany gets Better Class of immigrants, like not illegal?
@EPGAH No, that actually proves my point that there is a legal bias in the US. Don't try to twist it. It isn't just about crime rates, it's about the criminals of one group being incarcerated at lower rates than criminals from other groups.
Estimated illegal immigrant population of US: 3.5% compared to non-citizen population of Germany: you said 8.8%. Do you have difficulty with math, or did you forget to calculate the estimated proportion of non-US citizens before trying to refute my point?
@57worldwide Don't get it twisted. The people who obey the rules of Germany get treated well, the people who don't get bounced.
You're also neglecting that we've had 7 Amnesties, and that we have BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP, allowing an illegal to come here, pop out a horde, and skip all the criteria, then avoid getting shipped home because of its "family". What are the chances those kids will have ANY loyalty to America?
No wonder all other countries ended birthright citizenship!
@57worldwide As to being bad at math, we have 320 MILLION people, so saying that we have "only" 3.5% (Where did you get that number? Calderon said 50 MILLION, and you'd think the leader of the parasites would try to UNDER-estimate the number, to avoid reprisal!) is 11.2 MILLION.
Germany's TOTAL population is 81 MILLION, so we have more than 1/8 of Germany's population as an illegal Fifth Column, PLUS the Amnesties PLUS the anchor-babies!
@EPGAH Excuse me? New Zealand still has birthright citizenship. Mother and daughter can both get citizenship. You didn't know that? You don't even have to be on the land, you can have your child inside of New Zealand waters and then apply for the birth certificate.
I'm not neglecting anything, I stated that the proportions of immigrants were similar and the proportions of incarcerated immigrants was far different. Your answer: ' Germany gets Better Class of immigrants' - Turkish problem? No?
@57worldwide New Zealand has the anchor-baby thing too? Sad.
The people Germany LETS in are better, they have more stringent requirements. Not only does America have LOWER requirements, and let MORE people in, some scum let THEMSELVES in, and we "have" to let them stay too, or we're "racist".
As I said in the other thread, if illegals consisted of comely, supplicant females instead of amorphous breeding blobs or violently disobedient males, it would be TREASURED, instead of RESISTED!
@EPGAH Did you somehow not realise that non-citizens aren't the same thing as immigrants?
Think about your arguments - settlers were superior, your evidence was that the natives couldn't stop their advancement. Mexicans are immigrating against your wishes, you can't stop them from advancing - yet you want to call yourself superior again? You have two sets of rules, one set for the group you identify with, and another set for those outside of the group you identify with. You are clearly biased.
@57worldwide We have stopped them from advancing 3 times in the past. For whatever reason, this time our Government is NOT fighting off the invaders. If we succeeded as far back as the 20s, I have no doubt we'd succeed now too! Our technology is better, and the invaders are so used to getting their way, some would die of surprise!
Also, New Zealand is an interesting choice of examples, the law in more than one occasion has encouraged pedophiles and punished the parents for resisting!
@EPGAH The law does not punish parents. That is nonsense, I'm not even asking for any evidence as it is CHANGING TOPICS. Immigration, to paedophiles? I don't see the connection, it probably only exists in your mind.
USA doesn't have the most advanced technology. Even if you did, you still wouldn't be able to stop the Mexicans from becoming a majority. I guess they will be superior to you in 50 years, then?
@57worldwide The connection was birthright citizenship and/or New Zealand's laws.
Then by the simple standards of "becoming a majority", cockroaches--the 6-legged kind--are also "superior" to Americans, because they are so numerous they become a "carpet" on the tarmac in some places. But all it takes to undo that "superiority" is to literally open a can on them. There's a whole aisle devoted to killing cockroaches and other pests that outnumber us in any supermarket!
@EPGAH The connection between citizenship granted upon birth (which is also the case in Germany) and encouragement of paedophilia. There is NO CONNECTION.
Look, your answer as to how the European descendants are superior was something along the lines of 'becoming the majority when ORIGINALLY starting in less favourable circumstances'. So, applying the exact same logic to the illegal immigrants from Mexico, that they will end up outnumbering you after starting in less favourable circumstances...
@57worldwide The article I sent you said that the superior culture would become the ELITE, not the majority.
And then, as now, people who are better are resented by the invaders. We keep privileges to citizens, and the invaders have the gall to call that "racist"!
But if the invaders were so "elite", they wouldn't need to "break the law or starve". I rankle at the use of that excuse, they should die and make room for honest people.
Becoming the majority is easy, even termites can do it!
@EPGAH Weren't the early settlers dying when they first went to the New World? Living in extremely harsh conditions, became the majority, THEN a minority of that group became the elite? Yet, somehow, these people who became the elite, after rigging the rules of the game in their favour with their greater numbers, aren't comparable to the illegal immigrants from Mexico... Wake yourself up. If they are truly endangering you, it is for their benefit. You see the next elite.
@57worldwide I am surprised I'm the First to tell you this, but we're not getting the Elites of Mexico or whatever Third World shithole has seen fit to take a dump on our side of the border. Those people have a Good Thing Going in their own country, and why would they leave that? We're getting the scum that might die or have to fight for their rights in their own country, rather than invade America. Mexico doesn't care if these people leave, it's good for Mexico! If they died, it'd be better!
@57worldwide If Americans get replaced with Mexicans, then America will BECOME Mexico, and then we can experience TRUE Third World conditions! They're not coming to BUILD, but to usurp, use up, and DESTROY!
Or do you believe like Ephiram here, who thinks the failed cultures we kicked aside to MAKE a civilization are coming back to destroy us all, and we deserve it for some reason?
@EPGAH Are you slow? The European settlers weren't the elite of Europe! I can't believe you would try to say the Mexicans coming to America aren't the elite... What I said was clear. AFTER the Europeans were the majority, THEN the elite formed. Does it not make sense to you, that the Mexicans becoming majority, then having their interests addressed by politicians (as they become the majority of voters, and eventually the majority of politicians themselves), the laws will end up favouring them.
@57worldwide But they're trashing America, not making it better. As I said in the other thread, Americans have been fair to everyone, while Mexicans seek only to benefit themselves.
In fact, if what you say is even POSSIBLE, then Americans are WAY too open. Once Mexicans take over, do you think they'll be anywhere near as fair? Hell, Mexico has laws preventing immigrants from "interfering" with THEIR political process, much less taking over! If Mexico takes over, it'll be a DOWNGRADE NOT UPGRADE
@EPGAH American Bison were almost made extinct by the settlers. Oh, that was for the better, right? So the ecology could be drastically altered, grass being replaced with wheat?
Once Mexicans take over. Oh, the irony. Will they be as fair as the settlers, disallowing land titles to be held by indigenous people? Is that what you mean? In the name of equality, maybe they should disallow White people from holding land titles. In order to protect the Whites. In order to be fair to EVERYONE.
@57worldwide Killing the bison was cutting off the supply-lines of an enemy, which has been an accepted tactic from Alexander the Great on.
You just said that Americans let Mexicans and other invaders into high office--and you're right, in one city, the ingrate invader, still loyal to the wrong side of the border, tried to DISBAND THE POLICE! Luckily, the State DA was awake and stopped it, but it proves they're trying to ruin America, not make it better!
@EPGAH Oh, sort of like restricting the voters to being Europeans only?
Killing the bison was cutting off the supply line. Great propaganda, except for the fact that the Bison were not only being killed to cut off a supply line. They were also trying to turn the grassland into a wheat field. Which was, in hindsight, an error. Was it an attempt to ruin the ecology of America, or a short-sighted attempt to make it better for the settlers?
@57worldwide It was to make it better for Americans, and put the enemy at a disadvantage, FORCE them to assimilate.
Lesser culture people assimilate to a better culture, not vice-versa, except under EXTREME duress. If you want to say Indians' "culture" was our equal, why didn't they learn how to harness electricity? if Mexico's "culture" is our equal, why is it a violent hole that sends us an unlimited SUPPLY of thugs, despite our DEMANDS that they stay out or assimilate?
@57worldwide It was to make it better for Americans, and put the enemy at a disadvantage, FORCE them to assimilate.
Lesser culture people assimilate to a better culture, not vice-versa, except under EXTREME duress. If you want to say Indians' "culture" was our equal, why didn't they learn how to harness electricity? if Mexico's "culture" is our equal, why is it a violent hole that sends us an unlimited SUPPLY of thugs, despite our DEMANDS that they stay out or assimilate?
@57worldwide It wasn't an error, if America has been this successful this long. We feed the world, even the ingrates of African nations!
How is it a bad thing to restrict voters to being landowners of the country? You ensure they have a stake, I.e., not handing over Reins of Power to your enemies. Now with this Motor-Voter law, illegals just have to get or forge a drivers' license and they can twist the laws to favor the invaders to our detriment!
@EPGAH How is it a bad thing to ensure the voters are the landowners? Considering certain ethnic groups wern't allowed to hold land titles, it's only obvious why a certain ethnic group ended up making an elite.
You have run out of arguments, huh? You already know about the biased laws implemented in Arizona, the prison labour manufacturing weapons for the arms industry, some of the largest companies in the world being classed as small business - you STILL want to cry about imagined boogeymen?
@57worldwide You complain about racist laws and/or "unfair" immigration laws, but you LIVE in Germany, which has a polished version of America's immigration laws--except they're actually ENFORCED!
Why aren't you having fits about what German law denies to non-citizens, instead of complaining about America's attempts to finally fix ourselves after so long letting invaders get away with murder--literally?
Also, why did you block me, but not Ultradumbass's meta-Communist screed?
@EPGAH You mean, why not complain about German's laws to someone who is from the US and resides in the US? Simple. The same reason I don't criticise Islam when talking with a Christian.
Why shouldn't I block you? You make ridiculous claims, which I would read if you kept posting all over my channel. Your comment on my channel wasn't just something I disagreed with - it was an inaccurate misrepresentation of reality. To me, Ultradumbass isn't pretending their opinion is fact, or irrefutable.
@57worldwide You're being a complete hypocrite. You protest our treatment of lesser cultures and/or our immigration laws, you supposedly even left because of our laws, but Germany has the same immigration laws, only they actually ENFORCE theirs, and you apparently think it's fine?
Why should Germany keep out the riffraff or keep the best parts for themselves, but not America?
As to ultradumbass, he DOES present Communism as the "only viable way", and he's longer-winded than I am!
@EPGAH 'In contrast to the European Union, in the U.S. the protection of families has not the status of a constitutional right overriding other law, so deportations can be mandated despite U.S. spouses or dependants.'
@57worldwide Yes, it's ON THE BOOKS that way, but what usually happens is either they let an illegal bitch stay because it did the "incredibly difficult" feat of getting pregnant, OR the illegal decides to leave its spawn HERE, then promptly whines that WE are breaking up the family.
My God, I don't want to break up families! Send the families home too!
Do you even know why the birth-control-failures of illegals are called "Anchor Babies"?
@EPGAH You know whats even harder than getting pregnant? Getting pregnant without having ... you know... There is this book i read once, it claims to be an accurate portrayal of of historical events but I don't buy it... There is no first hand sources and it was written 300 years after it supposedly took place... Oh and anchor babies! AHHHHHHHHHHHH! The black helicopters are comming! dont drink the fluoridated water!!!!!! AHHHHH! where's my tin foil hat?
@posimosh That was sarcasm, you anti-Christian troll. Latin Americans breed at a rate that would be justifiable if they expected a large percentage of their brood were going to die, but is irresponsible for humans, being at the top of the food-chain!
A large population is more an expense/liability than an asset, which is why countries from America to CHINA are trying to cut back on population.
But instead of letting us enjoy our surplus resources, lesser countries dump surplus population on us!
@EPGAH I agree, being a Christian, expecting that GAWD will come save us after the human race has sufficiently used up all of earth's resources as well as made it toxic is counterproductive, and also called the rapture. Have you heard of it? Exploiting limited natural resources to the detriment of future generations because of faith in a GAWD that will bail you out cause, after all, you are a believer is selfish and shortsighted. There is a book that has good stories that teach this....
@EPGAH Wait Wait Wait,"But instead of letting us enjoy our surplus resources, lesser countries dump surplus population on us!" What on earth are you talking about? I mean yeah we have to compete with the slave labor in "Developing countries" thanks to free trade. Perhaps we should advocate for womens rights around the world, after all this is the most effective way to decrease birthrate in a population...
@posimosh Advocating for women's rights might be effective, but it takes a long time to change a culture toward the better, and they'll fight you every step of the way. Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.
People with cushy research grants estimate it takes 20 YEARS to reverse a culture's bad attitudes. Do you know how much damage can be done in 20 years, that that Civilized World will have to foot the bill for?
Hell, look how much damage O-bum's done in only 3 years!
@posimosh The bad news is, once they fuck up their own countries to a sufficient degree, then they come here and fuck up ours.
What is illegal immigration if not a self-administered bailout, AKA Grand Scale Theft?
Also, I don't like the euphemism "Developing World", "Stagnation" or "Foreign Aid Addict" would be better. Developing implies forward movement, and any country that hasn't improved in say 50-60 years probably won't. Look at Japan, then look at Mexico.
@posimosh Japan and Mexico have approximately the same population (As in NUMBER of people), but the culture of Japan is substantially better, since Japan managed to become a techno-powerhouse, while Mexico is a Narco-Terrorist State.
Japan also has a few "minor" handicaps, like being nuked twice, nuking themselves once, less surface-area, less natural resources, which makes Japan's success and Mexico's failure even MORE spectacular, maybe even "Epic"!
@EPGAH Japan imports 90% of its food products, 95% of its energy needs.. and Nuclear power is now dead so.. ya. We`re screwed economically, and demographically. 250% GDP debt, 2 times that of greece. It was thanks the British and Americans that allowed Japan to become a powerhouse, throughout the 20th century.. now we are dying.. slowly... so slowly we dont even realize it..
@teddythebenny Yes, but Japan LEARNED from the British and Americans. Mexico keeps wanting to do it their way (No relation to the Sinatra song)--even on OUR side of the border! Why didn't Japan ALSO refuse to learn and become an OBVIOUS hot mess like Mexico?
@EPGAH a bad student becomes a bad adult, a good student, becomes a good adult. that is what your saying.. and but bluntly, demographically, economically, politically, socially, religiously, geographically, and anthropologically, Japan and Mexico is far too different. Yet, what your saying is worth merit.. Which only leads me to ask, does the US government, want a strong mexico? because it wanted a strong Japan, as it is today. We openly flaunt the constitution now, that been the JSDF.
@teddythebenny That, and that a bad CULTURE makes a bad COUNTRY. If a lesser culture can make a Mexico, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Somalia, or Los Angeles, Detroit, etc., then it NEEDS to be educated out of existence. Keeping alive a negative culture and "respecting" it is suicidal for its adherents and corrosive to anyone it comes in contact with.
Japan got better in only 60 years, Mexico has had 164 and stayed shit, and wants us to respect that?!
@teddythebenny If Mexico had a culture worth respecting, they would've bounced back from attacking us and losing the way Japan did, especially since they weren't even nuked (Although that might be the problem, never FORCED to learn what they were doing was wrong, therefore, no behavior correction?)
@EPGAH cultures, morals, ethics, societies, change. Any kind of ideal is a mere socio-psycho commodity. laws are made by people, thus are susceptible to change. Japan had to go through a revolution, for it to change its mindset, such that through it, we become a industrial nation from a feudal society in a generation or two. You realize, that 1/4 of the Labor force growth in the US are immigrants, as such, they are a necessary part of the US economy. A strong mexico will limit that.
@teddythebenny By "immigrants", did you mean to say illegals, and just forgot that part?
By remaining addicted to ILLEGAL cheap labor, they are fucking Americans out of jobs&money, but in the long-term, fucking themselves out of a customer base. If you don't pay honest people an honest wage, noone will be ABLE to buy your products. Somehow, Henry Ford figured this out in the 1920s, and literally wrote the book on it!
Also, hiring criminals might not be such a great idea!
@EPGAH By "immigrants", did you mean to say illegals, and just forgot that part?
- the IPC (immigrant policy center), classifies, immigrants, within both the illegal and lega framework.
addicted to ILLEGAL cheap labor
- Undocumented immigration is largely the result of two opposing forces: an immigration policy that significantly restricts the flow of labor and the economic reality of a changing native-born U.S. population. (IPC)
Look at any developed nation, they all have immigrant labor
@teddythebenny Right now, I'd even say that the problem is TOO MUCH growth of the LABOR FORCE, and not enough JOBS to go around. Even with excluding people who are no longer eligible for unemployment, and/or people who just "gave up" looking for a job, unemployment under O-bum is STILL in the double digits, so we need to STOP growing the population, and actually shrink it, as the soldiers are coming home and THEY need jobs too! That was the REASON for Operation Wetback, remember?
@EPGAH The US had double digit, unemployment from the depression till the outbreak of the WW2 in the pacific. There is no quick fix. Judging from the fact, that in the past recessions, people were able to move to more economically productive areas, now however, it is not possible, because of the housing loans. All developed nations are having problems with demographics, baby boomers are aging, and the working pop is shrinking, thus who pays the taxes, i.e pensions? .. that is a fact of life now
@teddythebenny You overlooked a big facet, though: America's Government pays out a lot more in SERVICES, from welfare to country-clubs for criminals ("Prisons")
Also, it's better for the economy to have more jobs than people than the reverse.
Our WORKING population may be shrinking, but the population in toto is GROWING. America's population DOUBLED in about 20 years!
More people=lower wages and higher prices=shit QOL for EVERYONE!
@EPGAH we can essentially, argue about the finer points of government policy, against legal realities.. and therein, clog this page. Or we can talk outside. I apologize to anyone who views these incessant comments as annoying and troublesome.
@teddythebenny The housing loans were another form of "Social Justice" Welfare, Clinton promoted the CRA--which had ALWAYS been around, but largely ignored--to THE most important law in the loan industry! Banks were pressured to make INCREDIBLY stupid loans. Because they were Only Following Orders, they demanded a bailout for the risks!
It was a horrible Object Lesson: Everyone WANTS a house, but not everyone DESERVES one.
@teddythebenny War's only a temporary fix: Eventually the soldiers come HOME, and need their jobs back, or at least jobs.
That is why Hoover, Truman, and Eisenhower somehow managed to deport all or nearly all the illegals even with their primitive tech (That, and the media didn't tell them "There's too many, you can't deport them all", so they went and did it, not knowing it was impossible)
@teddythebenny As to revolutions, isn't there a requirement that in order to be a Latin American country, they have to go through at least 5 revolutions?
As to laws, the thing that makes a law LAW is permanence, or more precisely, CONSISTENCY! If something is wrong NOW, it was wrong 10 years ago, and will be wrong 10 years hence. Without that, you have not LAW, but WHIM!
Thin line between Executive Order and Royal Edict, isn't it?
Dick Cheney disliked this video, lol.
gulbirk 2 weeks ago
Again John Pilger (One of my favorite Australian Authors - A Secret Country!)
Shaking the Cob Webs out of my head!
Jahmadre 2 months ago in playlist John Pilger - The New Rulers Of The World
Grateful thanks to JP for his all his work in informing all who wish to understand the causes of poverty in the world. How honest human endeavor is constantly undermined by the cynical exploitation by the rich and powerful on the ordinary working human being trying to provide a decent life for themselves and their family. Important to remember, we can take back that power by standing together........we are many.....they are few!
maryUTKillen 4 months ago 2
in indonesia there's many rich people, but also poor people... if u go to indonesia, don't just go to great tourist place.. try go to other place.. u'll see many poor people.. if u ride a car, n u see many beggar, that's ordinary thing...indonesia are rich, but poor... and the poor become more poor because most of them not get enough educations.. education is important, but they get not enough education, we can't not just say to work harder.... we must see this from all sides, economy, bla2...
zagmardiav 5 months ago
@zagmardiav You can't educate a country that doesn't want to learn. Japan made something of itself in only 60 years, China turned itself around in only 30, America funded both of them, but your country actually has to WANT to change before it will.
Otherwise, they'll be just another parasite, soaking up America's foreign-aid, and bitching that we don't give "enough"!
EPGAH 5 months ago
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@EPGAH You think people like being poor? No, which we have already been over countless times. The poor are exploited, nothing to do with wanting to learn.
And your whole argument about people having children or marrying citizens in order to stay is invalid, as is shown in the website which you obviously decided not to visit. That's what 'deportations can be mandated despite U.S. spouses or dependants' means, it means the US government CAN deport ANY immigrant they choose to, regardless.
57worldwide 4 months ago
when was this made?
thinkfree41 5 months ago
I think one reason why the goverment lets immigrants in to the country is cos it boosts the economy more people to pay off the debt more people to tax it can make the country more productive,
Ashley4117 6 months ago
Weren't GM and Ford forced to ask the government for billions of dollars or else delcare bankruptcy? It's a common mistake to assume that these 'masters of the universe' are competent.
i like Pilger but he can be a tad moralistic.
Falstaff85 7 months ago
@Falstaff85 Yes, but we can no longer afford "Peace At Any Price" with the Auto Industry. AND given that 6-8 HUNDRED THOUSAND jobs were moved from Missouri to Mexico, we can infer that "What's good for GM is NOT good for America" anymore!
EPGAH 7 months ago
Meet the new boss....same as the old boss - The Who
whalepoop 7 months ago
Boycott Repubocrats in 2012, form viable independent labor party, we must do national striked....and long-term not one day like UK
TheHobbgobblin 7 months ago
Lets pretend for a second that there was a world wide union that demanded the same wage for the same type of work world wide. A shoe maker in America earns the same amount as one in Indonesia. Does anyone believe that American manufacturers would be willing to relocate their factories to Indonesia then pay the extra amount to have the goods shipped here? no, they would stay here and make shoes, leaving most Indos unemployed and worse off than they were had they been working for less.
scrappmutt2 7 months ago
@scrappmutt2 That's right, they'd stop getting our jobs, so it's their own greed that makes them exploitable! They'd either have to develop their own industry or devolve back into an agrarian subsistence economy.
They want more than they deserve, even if it's less than an American gets, AND because it IS less than an American gets, they can claim to be exploited, even if the Cost Of Living in lesser countries is about 1/10 of what it is here!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@scrappmutt2 As long as lesser cultures believe it's their RIGHT to breed too much, they can never make their lives better, they keep undercutting THEMSELVES!
More people competing for the same jobs=Lower Wages
More people competing for the same goods=Higher Prices
Lower Wages+Higher Prices=Shit QOL for EVERYONE!
And if they refuse to work, holding out for better wages, even assuming there are no scabs in the same country, they'll just find a country that is more greedy than smart to work cheap!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH I agree with you half heatedly, but the thing you are missing is we were once a nation of poor farmers in the same position. There are many steps between going from a poor agricultural 3rd world nation to an industrial, 1st world one. Many of these "sweat shop" nations are on the first step of that journey. I highly recommend a documentary called "Globalization is Good" as a rebuttal to this documentary
scrappmutt2 7 months ago
@scrappmutt2 They are not on the "first step" to anything, by offering themselves up as scabs and undercutting American labor and any MEANINGFUL negotiations between management and labor, they've abdicated their own industrial (r)evolution and/or independence. The reason lesser countries take lower wages is that things are still cheap there, low wages are still good if things are cheap. But our money distorts that and causes inflation, so they HAVE to take our "better" jobs just maintain parity!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@scrappmutt2 Because things are expensive in America, American Corporations can AFFORD to offer more money than any "local" company can, so that country can't advance. I'm all in favor of "competition", but that is Grand-Scale Cheating!
Plus, of course, this video overlooks the effects on Americans, if we're not paid, we can't afford to buy the expensive goodies!
Lesser countries want our advancement, our technologies, our comforts, without having to grow up and work for it, Faust-style!
EPGAH 7 months ago
One thing noone has never answered me: Why don't the lesser countries organize and fight for better wages, better working conditions, the way my ancestors had to, rather than undercutting American wages and QOL?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH /watch?v=v3WbztsqScw
This is the video, you stupid clown. You are commenting on the opera, when you have only just heard the opening score.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide If you spent half as much time thinking as you do insulting, you'd be a much more effective debater.
OMG, they used force on lesser cultures! You really think the Americans said, "You're exploiting us, stop working women and children to death and give Men better wages!" and the Corporations bent over and complied? Look up "strikebreakers", if you like, I found a couple good vids even here on YouTube! The difference is, Americans were willing to take casualties for what we believe!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH What is a strike going to acheive? Are you really that stupid? You compare the third world to former USA?
You don't want to learn, you are a scab. You are taking advantage of the technology and imagining there is evidence which supports your stupid prejudice.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide At best, it would achieve American jobs returning to America, like scrappmutt implied. At worst, America would have to pay the losers a little more.
I am not a scab, you moron, I am one of the American workers the foreign ingrates are trying to replace. If they want more money and better way of life like Americans have, they should EARN it, rather than trying to POACH it from Americans. Or be satisfied with their old savage ways. I've been saying that for over a week!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH You are taking advantage of the technology which you tout as being exclusively Western, you are a scab. You did not develop this technology, yet you want to use it as a resource to try to appear stronger.
Again, if an American goes overseas do they automatically become a scab? If not, why do you claim ALL people who come to the US from Mexico are scabs? Can you make a point which stands on it's own merit, or am I supposed to look at half of the information to come to your conclusion?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide I could make better points if you'd look at more than one post at a time, or we could take this to PM, where the 500 char limit does not apply.
Americans, that is people who belong to and benefit America, developed it!
Americans go abroad to spread knowledge and expertise. Illegals bring nothing but crime and poverty and more of themselves, they have no skills, else Mexico would not let them go, they are mindless muscle that America would be better off replacing with robots.!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide Remember, other countries don't HAVE to let in Americans in, but they act like coming into America is their damn BIRTHRIGHT! Immigration is a FAVOR, which is why they have a criteria/background system similar to seeking a job.
"Here's my skillset, here's what I have to offer, I will do my best to be a useful part of your country." elicits one response.
"You better let me AND MY FAMILY in and mooch from your country, you racist bastards!" gets another! Do you understand better now?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH The people who immigrate to the country legally and then are discriminated against in Arizona, are somehow lesser?
That is your error. You previously stated that US has a superior culture, then recanted to say that the middle class of the US is a distinct and superior culture. When people immigrate legally to America from Mexico, some have qualifictions/skillsets which are useful and benefit the society. If you still want to claim Mexicans have a lesser culture, interaction ends.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide But they DON'T want to assimilate, they are coming here simply to take what they can and leave. America is a COUNTRY, not a buffet line!
If any group is discriminated against, do you believe it's because of their skin-color or their public actions?
watch?v=qub2ii4GamE
"We Will Not Comply"...Guess why that could be taken as ungrateful?
watch?v=rqPvX7lxFqk
Illegals marching for "recognition"--in DETROIT!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH Sigh. I have already told you about the cops who pulled over a Mexican immigrant, then claimed he tried to run away in order for him to serve a prison sentence and then be sent back to Mexico. To say this instance was motivated by anything other than ethnicity is ignorant, you deserve no more of my time.
To claim the discrimination is not because of skin colour is incorrect. There are Mexicans who do assimilate, you wish to marginalise or even disregard them in order to keep trumpeting.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide There are SOME who assimilate, but a goodly amount CHOOSE not to, and therefore, the whole group becomes impugned because of that.
Do you remember 20 years ago, we could go to any country and proudly declare ourselves as Americans, and they would treat us with kid gloves, whether after our money, or because they were afraid of American retribution? Now people "Hate" Americans due to our halfass war on terrorists, and some pretend to be Canadian or German to avoid violent retribution
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide Also, how can you be sure they gave up their old loyalty? The leader of the invading country, Calderon, claims that 50 MILLION of the people in America are loyal to HIM still, the wrong side of the border. Why should we trust an agent of another country, which presumably has an agenda that doesn't coincide with America's agenda, and in several key places, is in diametric contravention?
Otherwise, why the rioting in the streets?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide Check my featured video for a good example of Mexico's culture's USUAL product in America.
The reason our Founding Fathers set up immigration WITH LIMITS in the first place is that they would bring their old habits, their old beliefs, their old beefs, and try to impose them on America(ns)!
We had quotas, we would accept X much from Y country, and no more. Given that, if immigration was "fair", we'd cut off immigration from Mexico entirely for awhile and focus on better countries!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide A friend just sent me a vid (A bit late), that humorously explains it all. What we're going through now is a "Transfer Of Wealth": Give what little the good people have left to the bad people, so that they will become dependent on Government "Generosity", then the GOOD people become expendable, and the remaining people can't understand why the country is a mess!
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Zimbabwe already went through this "process", want me to get you vids of it?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH Don't compare Zimbabwe to the US. Irrelevant. Zimbabwe was a seizure of land, under the guise of 'giving land to the landless'. Since you brought it up, how many homeless Zimbabweans were actually given land? How many Zimbabweans were made homeless and unemployed by Mugabe's 'clean up' project?
It is not transferring your wealth to another country. Instead, the rich in your country (and others) are exploiting their people and mineral wealth. Make an accurate analagy, for once.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide Zimbabwe is when a lesser culture invades and takes over from a better culture. Mexico claims America as "theirs", and if they take it over, in the guise of making their lives better, they will screw it up as they did their own country.
NOONE except Mugabe and his closest friends benefited. Farms are inert, tractors are rusted solid to the ground, people are EATING the seeds, rather than planting...Hard to believe that used to be a net food EXPORTER when the Civilized World ran it!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH A lesser culture? Retard, some of the Whites also voted Mugabe in. The problems in Zimbabwe can be attributed to the greed for power of Mugabe, you fucking retard. I know Zimbabwe was once known as Africa's Food Basket. Mugabe was a war hero. He is a former member of one of the two former warring factions which cooperated and formed Zanu PF, of which he is now the leader.
You obviously have either very little understanding, or you want to omit certain information.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide You are bringing race into it. Mugabe made little secret that he wanted to return "Africa for the Africans", so any whites who voted him in might have been the same self-destructive "White Guilt" types we have here in America.
How is his war-hero status relevant? McCain was a "war hero", and lost, might Obama's victory be from ethnicity? Like Monty Python, "To PROVE we're not racist, we'll elect a Black, even if he's proven a smooth-talking incompetent!"
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH You want to believe Obama was Black? He was raised by a White woman, is related to Cheney and has the same family ties as the previous US president. Anyone who voted for Obama voted for an illusion of a different government, you are ignorant for even trying to bring the race into it.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide He sells himself as the BLACK President, which completely ignores and denigrates his "raised by a white woman", he calls any detractor "racist". He's betrayed Americans and our allies at every turn, apologized to our enemies, added 4 more fronts to the War On Terror WITHOUT finishing the first...All of these ARE CHANGES, but not POSITIVE CHANGES!
If you voted for Obama in 2008 to prove you're not racist, vote for ANYTHING else in 2012 to prove you're not THAT gullible--twice!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide You should also make special note that Mugabe kicked out or killed all members of the Civilized World and the people who had assimilated to make their lives better, as "collaborators". That's why "Zimbabwe" is a lot worse than "Rhodesia", even though they occupy the same PHYSICAL SPACE!
Better Culture takes over from Lesser Culture=Prosperity&Advancement
Lesser Culture takes over from Better Culture=Chaos&Death!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH Mugabe did not kick out the Whites from Zimbabwe. Nobody forced anyone to leave Zimbabwe, there was no forced exodus. Blacks and Whites have both chosen to leave Zimbabwe, I know Black and White Zimbabweans. You retard. Another rumour you believe is factual.
How long did it take for the state of Zim to enter it's current condition? Do you even know, or do you assume it was all 'Blackie's' fault? Retard.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide It all happened under Mugabe, so unless his predecessor set the Self-Destruct system on the country, it IS Mugabe's fault. To defend his land-grab just because of his race is ridiculous.
Similarly, a lot of apologists in America blame Bush even though OBAMA is the one who got Congress to approve TARP, and/or drove America deeper into debt than anyone past, present, and hopefully future.
We can't point out the inefficiencies of non-whites without being called "racist"?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH When did I defend the land-grab, yu fucking idiot! I said 'there was no forced exodus'. Your pointing out 'inefficiencies of non-Whites' fails to consider the effect the Whites had in, for example, Obama's RISE to the presidency.
It is ALL Mugabe's fault, the problems in Zimbabwe. But like Morgan Stvangirai has said,'without help in the means of foreign aid, Zimbabwe cannot improve it's situation on it's own. You have tried to say one man's actions are that of a lesser CULTURE.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide Back when it was RHODESIA, it was under control of the Civilized World, and it was prosperous. Why would they NEED Foreign Aid, if they were prosperous?
Mugabe claimed his rise was "locals taking it back"!
And did you ignore that Mugabe was backed by RUSSIA? So yes, foreign interference had a hand in it, and they can't improve without our help, but more importantly, we can't improve them, as long as:
A.) They "Don't Wanna"
B.) Another country cock-blocks our improvements
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide Also, how much of our Foreign Aid goes to overthrowing Mugabe, and how much HELPS HIM, rather than the country?
They want our HELP, but bitch about our "interference", which is why many Americans want to just let them suffer until they get a more supplicant, grateful attitude.
Or we could just take their shit over DIRECTLY, and BECOME the Evil Empire that other countries accuse us of being!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH cont... To claim that the actions of one man are that of a CULTURE, implies that the one man is the same as the rest who share his ethnicity. That is racist, yet you object to being called racist. There are many Blacks in Zim who oppose Mugabe, are they of the supposedly 'superior culture'? Or, are you trying to use your utter stupidity in order to reassert Mugabe's 'cultural inferiority'?
Why would they need foreign aid, if they were prosperous 2 DECADES AGO? Are you that stupid? Really
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide 2 decades ago, they were prosperous and didn't need our help. Now that their Fearless Leader has "returned them to native rule" and fucked them up, they need Foreign Aid--but resent "The West's" (America's) "interference"
And yes, the ones who oppose Mugabe and favor a return to Civilized World rule WOULD be of or collaborators of, superior culture. I don't care if they're black, white, orange, plaid, or tentacle aliens, it's their decisions/actions!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH Tsvangirai is the OPPOSITION leader. No aid could go to Zimbabwe with the intentions of improving their infrastructure or economy while Mugabe was STILL in power.
Their decisions/actions are not what determines your opinion. It is a decision or action of a highlighted individual which causes you to form your opinion of the whole group. Such as calling Mexicans a lesser culture, that the actions of the ones who assimilate into US society don't count. Not racist? (scoffs at your denial)
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide Did you read the SNOPES article I pointed you to? If they assimilate, they're no longer Mexicans (Or whatever other cult/culture/tribe/faction), they're Americans who happen to have X descent.
If they play their old, supposedly discarded culture up, and demand "special" treatment for it, they should not complain when the "special" treatment turns out to be negative, should they?
Did you know America's national motto is E Pluribus Unum?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH That's not true, in the eyes of the law. If they weren't born in the US, they are still Mexicans.
'Giving up control to the civilised world' - you mean, like the country in this video? Where their rights are ignored, in order for their government to stay in favour with the allegedly civilised? Where their mineral wealth will be given to another country, and little will return into their economy? You are such a joke.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide We pay for everything we "take". And in many cases, OVER-pay...Or in Iraq, pay AND PROVIDE SECURITY for someone ELSE to steal the resources!
Otherwise, why isn't gas a quarter a gallon by now?
And actually, as that other poster noted, it DOES benefit their economy temporarily, but makes their economy an inflated subset of ours. Also, note, those countries are NOT "New Markets" if they can't afford what they produce, but rather welfare-cases!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide watch?v=Hq8bTloELCo
Here's a vid of how Zimbabwe is "better off" under their own control. Buy the movie, "Zimbabwe and the White Farmer", it's expected to get an Oscar nomination, but I predict it'll be shut out for being uncomfortably truthful and/or Politically Incorrect.
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide Countries make their own deals to lure in Corporate "business", from not charging taxes to skipping environmental regulations. Oddly, America is the one who gets the shit for being "environmentally unsound", then those same people turn around and say "regulations in America are killing jobs".
Other countries do whatever they feel they have to to get ahead and don't listen to anyone telling them no, jailing protesters, whether their own or invaders.
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide Ireland is a DEVELOPED country that has done exactly that, zero taxes for business, then they wonder why they're moneyless. I hope they don't put their heads together, that would cause an earthquake!
America bails out failed businesses and gives some NEGATIVE tax-rates--and they don't want to settle here because we have a few environmental regulations?!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH The USA is not the country which gets the most shit for being environmentally unsound. I think the most emphasis is on China. New Zealand has only pledge to cut back to 50% of current emmissions by 2050, compared to the proposed 20% by 2020. Perhaps the reason you believe the US is being 'demonised' is because you live in the USA?
Southern Ireland is also an IT centre. It seems somewhat comical that you try to make out that they aren't intelligent... Stereotype much?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide Well, China and Kenya (of all places) SHOULD get the most shit for it, as they pollute the most. Coal is an exceptional pollutant, and "clean" coal puts mercury into groundwater.
My jab was at Ireland's Government, for putting taxes at zero for their biggest moneymakers and wondering why they can't maintain their social program. Are you not going to be satisfied until ALL nations end up like Greece?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH Greece's problems are derived from the politicians, as are most countries with representative democracy. You are almost saying 'the US is a great model for the rest of the world (just ignore the myriad of social and economic problems which we have. They are the fault of other cultures).'
Are you the same dude that proposed that the movement of Black and Latino populations into the South Bronx caused the property values to lower? Are you the same guy who blames the cause on the effect?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide If by "politicians" you mean "wealth redistribution programs", then I agree.
Actually, I think China has the best model RIGHT NOW, but it would be unsustainable if EVERY country acted like China. Plus, some don't have the muscle and would be just STOMPED if they got that arrogant!
I didn't propose that although it DOES make sense that if a neighborhood fills with poor, violent people, then the people who can will get the hell out, and MORE poor&violent will move in, doesn't it?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH No, I mean the politicians who were allocated a large amount of money and changed nothing with the way their system is set up. It isn't 'wealth distribution', it is that the benefits and pensions were larger than the amount of tax generated. The politicians are still fat though, so the money can't be getting 're-distributed' very far.
Remember, when I told you about the Cross Bronx Expressway? That was you, right? You remember, poor people can't move in BEFORE property value is lowered?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide Wow, welfare bigger than revenue generated...Sounds like something I told you in the other thread...And again, how much of that "welfare" is getting to the losers in whose Name it's being extracted?
I told someone in another thread, all you have to have is ONE HOUSE declared Section 8, undesirables will move in, and the Government will pay for it. Obama's own Aunt is one of them, living off Americans for years, despite two deportation orders. ACLU muscled her into "citizenship"!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH You also said Greece left Capitalism.
Think about this for a second. The Jewish community of the South Bronx was the majority before WWII. The Cross Bronx Expressway was proposed in 1945, which then led to the 'White Flight', in turn leading to property values lowering, which then lead to the lower income communities becoming established. See, cause (proposed expressway) leads to effect (White Flight). Effect (lower income district) does not lead to cause (lowering property values).
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide And once the good people leave a neighborhood and the dregs entrench therein, doesn't that decrease property values even FURTHER?
Why do you think no business "makes it" in a bad neighborhood except pawn shops and liquor stores? And even those have bars across the windows...
Plus, I'll be the First to tell you, bad neighborhoods spread, until one group says, "NO! We're not leaving, you should behave according to the laws of OUR nation, not your old one!"
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH The good people? Oh, so having a higher income makes you good... Now I understand why you are so biased towards the people who are so evil as to be born into poverty. They should have chosen to be born into advantage, right?
So, in other words, had the Jewish people decided to stay in the South Bronx, the economic situation there would not have deteriorated? There is an obvious reason you work on a computer and you don't fix problematic neighbourhoods. You wouldn't know where to start.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide You said in the other channel that the REASON people commit crime is that they're "desperate". I didn't accept that as an excuse, but you do, apparently. The parents should have chosen to use birth-control or get neutered, rather than ensure generational poverty.
Well, there have been "urban renewal" bills, forcing people to cut their lawn and get rid of the debris in it--but the ACLU is helping "lower-income" people fight against these laws! Do you think that's funny?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH It is not the reason all people commit crime. Corporate fraud cannot usually be attributed to desperation, yet you want to claim the petty criminal is the worst threat to you quality of life.
I don't accept excuses for crime, we have to reduce the elements which may be more likely to lead to crime. Simply killing someone will not remove the criminal element from the society, it won't be getting rid of the social imbalance. We don't have to be communist, just decrease the gap.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide The "petty" criminal now shoots cops, civilians, even other criminals, in its quest to get an undeserved "better life", so yes, I'd consider that a pretty big threat, not to my QUALITY of life, to my life itself! Cops can't quarantine the bad people!
I didn't invest in the stock market, somehow intuiting it as a sucker's game, so that's no threat to me. Bailing out failed Corporations at the expense of myself and the Corporations that DIDN'T fuck up is bad, but not as violent...
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide As to your "reduce the gap" idea, there are only two ways to do that: Take from the rich and give to the poor. It's already been "experimentally" proven over the last 3 decades in America that if you give money to poor people, they'll breed more, blow their newfound wealth and demand more. And if you take from the rich, they'll just take our balls and move to a country that doesn't!
Ever heard "The More Bitches, The Less Riches"? If they bred less, they would be LESS POOR!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide Of course, that'd be too damn EASY, and they couldn't blame the Civilized World anymore, so they won't do that, they'll just "let" us keep shelling out as they keep popping out, and loudly wonder why they're still poor...There was a couple at the restaurant today with that exact problem! 4 kids and another on the way, wondering why they couldn't afford the things they wanted! Their mistake was that both spouses were WORKING instead of gaming the Welfare System, not the brood, right?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH Again, the population is not what makes the pverty thrive. If that were the case, the property values in the South Bronx would have increased when the houses were emptying! You even complain about people who are working and raising children, so how can you keep on with the same attitude? It isn't that having children lowers your IQ, or that having less children increases IQ.
The problem is usually what they want, and then the means they try to get it. Working hard to save up doesn't pay?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide Working hard and saving up WOULD make their lives better, but if they have more than 2 kids, that's not saving. In the modern world, with child labor laws, kids are an investment at best, an expense at worst. The cost of raising a child to age 10 is $100,000! Multiple kids=multiple $100K expenditures!
Also, having more kids just makes people even MORE interchangeable, MORE expendable! DrRandomerCam at the bottom of the Comments here put it better than I could.
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH I particularly like the statement you made about taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor; you put it that the poor just 'blow it all and demand more'. If you think about what the rich do with it (eg banking, only earning money for themselves and their banks), the poor SPENDING money is good for THE WHOLE ECONOMY. Not just their back pocket.
Working hard and saving up does not pay when you have a low income job. You have already said, there aren't enough jobs.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide That's why wealth-redistribution will fail. The poor want to keep breeding and wondering why it "does not pay". Stopping them is "genocide", right?
Price-controls worked twice in the past, (See Great Depression) but nobody wants to go there.
Actually, the Middle-Class spend money too, did you know that? We HAVE to just to survive!
And the rich spend, but on frivolous things and/or lesser countries. Bailing them out HAS created jobs--in China and India! Or Mrs. Obama's $6K purse?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide Remember, poor people are just a money tool for the rich as well, a Sword of Damocles over the head of the Middle Class, getting rid of the poor in America would force the rich to invest in machinery--And building, repairing, programming it is JUST the kind of skilled, "clean" jobs that all nations supposedly want, right?
Mexico benefits by "getting rid of" their poor by dumping on us, how do WE get rid of them?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH Mexico is not getting rid of their poor. Like you have already stated, only a land border separates their population from yours. You must not understand, illegal immigrants are not illegal simply by being more poor than you. Wait, you thought the US laws were constructed in order to keep poverty out? No?
Your example of a Spanish speaking country which is not a bad example, Spain, is failing. As is Italy.
Building machinery will simply cause more dependence upon oil. Ask China.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide No, they're just "failing to keep them". "You're poor, we don't want you, we'll look the other way as you invade another country that doesn't want you"
I believe the IMMIGRATION laws were constructed to take the best and leave the rest to rot, yes.
While building more machinery will need more oil, yes, do you think that letting more biological drones in is miraculously oil-free? Illegals drive, and without insurance, the cost is transferred to the honest people.
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH You say 'immigration laws are designed for...' after calling the immigrants invaders who don't DESERVE to be in the USA. If you haven't noticed, the Mexican government was at war with drug cartels. Could they really stop the flow of illegal immigrants? I mean, the US can't even do that, and their military budget accounts for half the whole world's military expenditure.
Does it make more sense when it gets put into perspective? People wanting to escape open warfare on the streets?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide I said ILLEGALS are invaders who don't deserve to be in the US. Fleeing crime in their own country SOUNDS like a Noble Cause, until they break the laws of a better country to "escape" it, and continue breaking laws WHILE HERE "to survive".
We don't use our military force against Mexico. That's part of the problem. If the Border Patrol and/or National Guard used their guns on a few illegals, that might make them reconsider?
Then there's scum like that Leal Garcia. Did you read that?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH I'm sure they are allowed to shoot at anyone trying to cross the border.
You are still lumping all illegal immigrants into the same category, eg 'those who commit a crime (entering the country illegally) will continue to commit crimes (which are not related to entering USA illegally). The people who committed crimes were not caused to do so directly as a result of crossing the border illegally. Also, not every illegal immigrant is committing a robbery/murder. Just keep blaming others.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide If they enter America in violation of law--and for that matter, in violation of the Mexicans giving their Word they'd keep their shit on their side of the border, then yes, that does seem to put them in a less trustworthy "class".
Illegal immigration is, by definition, undermining our capability to keep out the riffraff.
If they were of any worth whatsoever, America would have let them in LEGALLY, since we let in more people than 5 nations PUT TOGETHER, even though we don't need to!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH Still, you ignore the legal immigrants being sent back due to a biased legal system. If it wasn't discrimination, there would be nothing for me to give as examples. Fact is, more people with darker skin are sentenced to prison. This fact is irrespective of the crime for which they were convicted.
As far as working illegally, yes; illegal immigrants will work illegally. Does it benefit them more, or the employer? Who has taken advantage?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide We have 320 MILLION people in America, and an unemployment rate of (Insert your favorite double-digit number here), why the hell would we NEED to let in more people at all? And if we DO let in more people, doesn't it seem like we should let them in from a more useful country, at the very least guaranteeing ourselves a "Better Class Of Losers" to plagiarize the old song?
By making it hard to immigrate, we also make sure people really WANT in. If it was easy, EVERYONE would do it!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH Have you listened to much I have said? You really believe the rest of the world wants to be US citizens? Do you think Mexicans wouldn't immigrate to another technologically advanced country if it was easier to do so?
Where have I stated that anyone needs to be 'let' in? Anywhere?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide Have you skipped a few of my messages? That's exactly the problem: They don't want citizenship, they want the BENEFITS of civilization without the annoyance of building it up.
So many people want to come into America, only because it's better, and that's not from "destiny", that's from America making the RIGHT decisions, and their country fucking up. Why should any of them get to come in, rather than suffer the consequences of their failed decisions?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH America is not better than every country. Your pig-headed statements smack of arrogance and ignorance.
How can you be so sure that no illegal immigrant would not want to be a citizen? Assuming, much? I believe many Mexicans wouldn't try to immigrate to a country on the other side of the world, primarily because it is on the other side of the world. Does that mean none will?
Your last question can be answered very easily: Do the sons have to pay for the sins of the father?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide I never said America is better than every country, in fact, I JUST agreed with you that Mexican dregs only come here because it's "easy" to do so.
If they wanted to be a citizen, they would've waited in line, it's that simple. I would LOVE for them to invade another country, I recommend China.
And your last question is the easiest: It's not a PUNISHMENT, it's POSSESSION. I didn't make the choices Bill Gates made, should I get access to what he's earned?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH I actually agreed with you, that they enter the USA because it is geographically easier. If they wanted to be a citizen and didn't mind war on the streets between their government and drug cartels, they probably would wait in line. Perhaps, they did wait in line though? Perhaps some weren't allowed to immigrate legally, and still felt they wanted to pursue a better life? After all, you say USA is better and you live there; why wouldn't someone who has never been there think the same way?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide What's the big hurry? America's been here 230 years, honest people have been in line up to 7 years, due to their countries' shitty record-keeping practices and wanting to bring their families in.
And if some were not allowed, they should RESPECT that decision and stay the hell out! NO MEANS NO!
Cultures that are our equal or better don't NEED to sneak in, they come in the front door!
Just because we're too generous with our immigration doesn't mean EVERYONE gets in, nor should they!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH So, Mexicans who wait to enter legally are from a different culture than the ones who enter illegally? I don't agree.
Those who have less should just learn to live with less, right? So, those countries with illegal immigrants should just learn to live with illegal immigrants? Maybe you should just focus on what you need to do, instead of worrying yourself with other people's actions. Do you still claim the petty criminals damage your pretty USA more than corporate criminals?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide I don't agree that we have to live with thieves.
All thieves are granting themselves a "bailout", realizing that they don't have enough to continue, but rather than just accepting that, they take from those who have earned a better life, to avoid the negative consequences of their decisions. As you said, we have our own thieves, so why should we accept any other country's?
I would say the same if we bordered ANY other poor, amoral country, North Korea, Zimbabwe, etc.
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide If you believe that criminals are no different than honest people, then YOU are the racist, that means there's no difference between OJ Simpson and Bill Cosby, right?
And, since there's no difference between the law-abiding and law-breaking, Americans would break the law too, establishing a top-rated Pay-Per-View show called "Herd Thinner" where they kill as many lesser cultures as they can within the time-limit. Arizonans would be the odds-on favorites, with constant new herds...
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH You should accept more thieves for the same reason you believe a poor person should accept poverty.
When did I say criminals are no different to people who abide by law? You are the one who said Mexico is inferior to the US. I simply use what you have previously said against you, trying to show you how stupid it was to not only think it in the first place, but to repeat to the observers how you think bias is correct. You can't justify the way you think, without ignoring information.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide That's incredibly circular reasoning. If people accepted their life, they wouldn't steal to make their lives "better" at the expense of someone else! Therefore, we wouldn't have to accept more theft. I have already said that if an organism or organization has to steal to survive, the thing it is leeching FROM will try to kill it, survival instinct, right?
Mexico's "culture" indicates the law is optional, and violence is physical. American culture plays UP the law, and violence on TV
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide I also find it odd that you claim to be "Against Racism", but don't mind a tit when lesser cultures feel the need to bring us "evil" white, blue-eyed "Devils" down to "Make Us Understand". It could not possibly be that they are jealous of our success and want to steal it for themselves, right?
If you're against racism, you should be against racism when it occurs in the OPPOSITE direction as well, right?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH What the fuck are you talking about? /watch?v=FwP4Xf2pQek
You are so stupid, you attack a position I don't stand on! How can you assume I am only against one form of racism? You think I support racism which isn't perpetrated by White people?
How can you claim you know what Mexico's culture is, if you are allegedly from a different culture? All that you say, is nonsense. The petty criminals don't hurt anyone as much as the corporate fraudsters.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide Well, from your previous statements defending Indians, Mexicans, and other lesser cultures, it is easy to get the wrong impression.
I may or may not have the "right" impression of Mexico's "culture", but I see what they present themselves as on OUR side of the border, and I don't want it!
Let's say each Corporation is equal to a MILLION petty criminals. Calderon says there are 50 MILLION illegals in America, but there were LESS than 50 Corps who got the latest taxpayer "largesse"!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH I never defended a lesser culture. I attacked your labelling of other people you look down upon, as 'lesser'.
You don't see what THEY present themselves as. You see what YOU PROJECT. You are a retard.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide No, when they "decide" that our laws are optional, but once they enter our country, rather than keeping a low profile, or kissing our ass for making a better civilization for them to mooch from, they start throwing tantrums in the streets that invaders are treated as unwanted parasites instead of valued guests!
Then when offered the chance to pay their own way, they fight that too!
Their actions and attitudes have earned them distrust. YOU are the retard if you don't see that!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH You talk about all and use the actions of some as justification. You ignore some of the information, yet want to call me a retard?
Go ahead. That won't stop you from seeming like a retard.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide You're ignoring information too. Indians never MADE a country, Mexico's "culture" made a country so horrible that even a few MILLION of their own people don't want to stay there, so that might be why I call them "lesser cultures".
Calling me equal to foreign parasites or a nomadic savage is an insult far beyond "retard"...Do you admit you have no logical reason to defend these scum left, so you have to resort to name-calling?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH You are a retard, it isn't an insult. Why should I waste time on shit that isn't real? Shit you imagine, your perceptions?
If US citizens leave the US, does that make the US a lesser country too?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide Not if we go out the front door, with a Visa and permission to enter the other country! And certainly America's exodus is less in number than Mexico's!
As to shit that isn't real, are you saying Mexicans do NOT sneak into America, then do NOT agitate for the same rights as citizens, do NOT commit violence against their unwilling hosts and earn a bad reputation?
So these marches in our streets are hallucinations somehow captured on video?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH I'm saying that is not all Mexicans. You say they are lesser.
Germany's population has a similar number of immigrants, compared to the US population. Far lower proportions of immigrants in Germany are incarcerated.
You have previously admitted you judge the whole group by the actions of some. You disregard or ignore the actions of those which don't fit your stereotyped views. US citizens leaving the USA doesn't make the US inferior, so why use that reasoning for Mexico?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide There was only one post you responded to and you STILL didn't read it!
Americans leave our country LEGALLY, and enter the other country LEGALLY.
Moreover, the American Consulate does NOT interfere when an American runs afoul of THEIR laws, but the Mexican Consulate ALWAYS tries to interfere with justice HERE!
As to less immigrants incarcerated in Germany, wouldn't that prove my point, that the ones dumped on us are trash and Germany gets Better Class of immigrants, like not illegal?
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH No, that actually proves my point that there is a legal bias in the US. Don't try to twist it. It isn't just about crime rates, it's about the criminals of one group being incarcerated at lower rates than criminals from other groups.
Estimated illegal immigrant population of US: 3.5% compared to non-citizen population of Germany: you said 8.8%. Do you have difficulty with math, or did you forget to calculate the estimated proportion of non-US citizens before trying to refute my point?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide Don't get it twisted. The people who obey the rules of Germany get treated well, the people who don't get bounced.
You're also neglecting that we've had 7 Amnesties, and that we have BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP, allowing an illegal to come here, pop out a horde, and skip all the criteria, then avoid getting shipped home because of its "family". What are the chances those kids will have ANY loyalty to America?
No wonder all other countries ended birthright citizenship!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@57worldwide As to being bad at math, we have 320 MILLION people, so saying that we have "only" 3.5% (Where did you get that number? Calderon said 50 MILLION, and you'd think the leader of the parasites would try to UNDER-estimate the number, to avoid reprisal!) is 11.2 MILLION.
Germany's TOTAL population is 81 MILLION, so we have more than 1/8 of Germany's population as an illegal Fifth Column, PLUS the Amnesties PLUS the anchor-babies!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH Excuse me? New Zealand still has birthright citizenship. Mother and daughter can both get citizenship. You didn't know that? You don't even have to be on the land, you can have your child inside of New Zealand waters and then apply for the birth certificate.
I'm not neglecting anything, I stated that the proportions of immigrants were similar and the proportions of incarcerated immigrants was far different. Your answer: ' Germany gets Better Class of immigrants' - Turkish problem? No?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide New Zealand has the anchor-baby thing too? Sad.
The people Germany LETS in are better, they have more stringent requirements. Not only does America have LOWER requirements, and let MORE people in, some scum let THEMSELVES in, and we "have" to let them stay too, or we're "racist".
As I said in the other thread, if illegals consisted of comely, supplicant females instead of amorphous breeding blobs or violently disobedient males, it would be TREASURED, instead of RESISTED!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH Did you somehow not realise that non-citizens aren't the same thing as immigrants?
Think about your arguments - settlers were superior, your evidence was that the natives couldn't stop their advancement. Mexicans are immigrating against your wishes, you can't stop them from advancing - yet you want to call yourself superior again? You have two sets of rules, one set for the group you identify with, and another set for those outside of the group you identify with. You are clearly biased.
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide We have stopped them from advancing 3 times in the past. For whatever reason, this time our Government is NOT fighting off the invaders. If we succeeded as far back as the 20s, I have no doubt we'd succeed now too! Our technology is better, and the invaders are so used to getting their way, some would die of surprise!
Also, New Zealand is an interesting choice of examples, the law in more than one occasion has encouraged pedophiles and punished the parents for resisting!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH The law does not punish parents. That is nonsense, I'm not even asking for any evidence as it is CHANGING TOPICS. Immigration, to paedophiles? I don't see the connection, it probably only exists in your mind.
USA doesn't have the most advanced technology. Even if you did, you still wouldn't be able to stop the Mexicans from becoming a majority. I guess they will be superior to you in 50 years, then?
57worldwide 7 months ago
@57worldwide The connection was birthright citizenship and/or New Zealand's laws.
Then by the simple standards of "becoming a majority", cockroaches--the 6-legged kind--are also "superior" to Americans, because they are so numerous they become a "carpet" on the tarmac in some places. But all it takes to undo that "superiority" is to literally open a can on them. There's a whole aisle devoted to killing cockroaches and other pests that outnumber us in any supermarket!
EPGAH 7 months ago
@EPGAH The connection between citizenship granted upon birth (which is also the case in Germany) and encouragement of paedophilia. There is NO CONNECTION.
Look, your answer as to how the European descendants are superior was something along the lines of 'becoming the majority when ORIGINALLY starting in less favourable circumstances'. So, applying the exact same logic to the illegal immigrants from Mexico, that they will end up outnumbering you after starting in less favourable circumstances...
57worldwide 5 months ago
@57worldwide The article I sent you said that the superior culture would become the ELITE, not the majority.
And then, as now, people who are better are resented by the invaders. We keep privileges to citizens, and the invaders have the gall to call that "racist"!
But if the invaders were so "elite", they wouldn't need to "break the law or starve". I rankle at the use of that excuse, they should die and make room for honest people.
Becoming the majority is easy, even termites can do it!
EPGAH 5 months ago
@EPGAH Weren't the early settlers dying when they first went to the New World? Living in extremely harsh conditions, became the majority, THEN a minority of that group became the elite? Yet, somehow, these people who became the elite, after rigging the rules of the game in their favour with their greater numbers, aren't comparable to the illegal immigrants from Mexico... Wake yourself up. If they are truly endangering you, it is for their benefit. You see the next elite.
/watch?v=plAKR1B7I00
57worldwide 5 months ago
@57worldwide I am surprised I'm the First to tell you this, but we're not getting the Elites of Mexico or whatever Third World shithole has seen fit to take a dump on our side of the border. Those people have a Good Thing Going in their own country, and why would they leave that? We're getting the scum that might die or have to fight for their rights in their own country, rather than invade America. Mexico doesn't care if these people leave, it's good for Mexico! If they died, it'd be better!
EPGAH 5 months ago
@57worldwide If Americans get replaced with Mexicans, then America will BECOME Mexico, and then we can experience TRUE Third World conditions! They're not coming to BUILD, but to usurp, use up, and DESTROY!
Or do you believe like Ephiram here, who thinks the failed cultures we kicked aside to MAKE a civilization are coming back to destroy us all, and we deserve it for some reason?
/watch?v=5X9tEQqCpew
Warning: The Cuckoo Level is OVER 9000!
EPGAH 5 months ago
@EPGAH Are you slow? The European settlers weren't the elite of Europe! I can't believe you would try to say the Mexicans coming to America aren't the elite... What I said was clear. AFTER the Europeans were the majority, THEN the elite formed. Does it not make sense to you, that the Mexicans becoming majority, then having their interests addressed by politicians (as they become the majority of voters, and eventually the majority of politicians themselves), the laws will end up favouring them.
57worldwide 5 months ago
@57worldwide But they're trashing America, not making it better. As I said in the other thread, Americans have been fair to everyone, while Mexicans seek only to benefit themselves.
In fact, if what you say is even POSSIBLE, then Americans are WAY too open. Once Mexicans take over, do you think they'll be anywhere near as fair? Hell, Mexico has laws preventing immigrants from "interfering" with THEIR political process, much less taking over! If Mexico takes over, it'll be a DOWNGRADE NOT UPGRADE
EPGAH 5 months ago
@EPGAH American Bison were almost made extinct by the settlers. Oh, that was for the better, right? So the ecology could be drastically altered, grass being replaced with wheat?
Once Mexicans take over. Oh, the irony. Will they be as fair as the settlers, disallowing land titles to be held by indigenous people? Is that what you mean? In the name of equality, maybe they should disallow White people from holding land titles. In order to protect the Whites. In order to be fair to EVERYONE.
Idiot.
57worldwide 5 months ago
@57worldwide Killing the bison was cutting off the supply-lines of an enemy, which has been an accepted tactic from Alexander the Great on.
You just said that Americans let Mexicans and other invaders into high office--and you're right, in one city, the ingrate invader, still loyal to the wrong side of the border, tried to DISBAND THE POLICE! Luckily, the State DA was awake and stopped it, but it proves they're trying to ruin America, not make it better!
Mexico doesn't let anyone else get office
EPGAH 5 months ago
@EPGAH Oh, sort of like restricting the voters to being Europeans only?
Killing the bison was cutting off the supply line. Great propaganda, except for the fact that the Bison were not only being killed to cut off a supply line. They were also trying to turn the grassland into a wheat field. Which was, in hindsight, an error. Was it an attempt to ruin the ecology of America, or a short-sighted attempt to make it better for the settlers?
You already know the answer. You're an idiot.
57worldwide 5 months ago
@57worldwide It was to make it better for Americans, and put the enemy at a disadvantage, FORCE them to assimilate.
Lesser culture people assimilate to a better culture, not vice-versa, except under EXTREME duress. If you want to say Indians' "culture" was our equal, why didn't they learn how to harness electricity? if Mexico's "culture" is our equal, why is it a violent hole that sends us an unlimited SUPPLY of thugs, despite our DEMANDS that they stay out or assimilate?
EPGAH 5 months ago
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@57worldwide It was to make it better for Americans, and put the enemy at a disadvantage, FORCE them to assimilate.
Lesser culture people assimilate to a better culture, not vice-versa, except under EXTREME duress. If you want to say Indians' "culture" was our equal, why didn't they learn how to harness electricity? if Mexico's "culture" is our equal, why is it a violent hole that sends us an unlimited SUPPLY of thugs, despite our DEMANDS that they stay out or assimilate?
EPGAH 5 months ago
@57worldwide It wasn't an error, if America has been this successful this long. We feed the world, even the ingrates of African nations!
How is it a bad thing to restrict voters to being landowners of the country? You ensure they have a stake, I.e., not handing over Reins of Power to your enemies. Now with this Motor-Voter law, illegals just have to get or forge a drivers' license and they can twist the laws to favor the invaders to our detriment!
EPGAH 5 months ago
@EPGAH How is it a bad thing to ensure the voters are the landowners? Considering certain ethnic groups wern't allowed to hold land titles, it's only obvious why a certain ethnic group ended up making an elite.
You have run out of arguments, huh? You already know about the biased laws implemented in Arizona, the prison labour manufacturing weapons for the arms industry, some of the largest companies in the world being classed as small business - you STILL want to cry about imagined boogeymen?
57worldwide 5 months ago
@57worldwide You complain about racist laws and/or "unfair" immigration laws, but you LIVE in Germany, which has a polished version of America's immigration laws--except they're actually ENFORCED!
Why aren't you having fits about what German law denies to non-citizens, instead of complaining about America's attempts to finally fix ourselves after so long letting invaders get away with murder--literally?
Also, why did you block me, but not Ultradumbass's meta-Communist screed?
EPGAH 5 months ago
@EPGAH You mean, why not complain about German's laws to someone who is from the US and resides in the US? Simple. The same reason I don't criticise Islam when talking with a Christian.
Why shouldn't I block you? You make ridiculous claims, which I would read if you kept posting all over my channel. Your comment on my channel wasn't just something I disagreed with - it was an inaccurate misrepresentation of reality. To me, Ultradumbass isn't pretending their opinion is fact, or irrefutable.
57worldwide 5 months ago
@57worldwide You're being a complete hypocrite. You protest our treatment of lesser cultures and/or our immigration laws, you supposedly even left because of our laws, but Germany has the same immigration laws, only they actually ENFORCE theirs, and you apparently think it's fine?
Why should Germany keep out the riffraff or keep the best parts for themselves, but not America?
As to ultradumbass, he DOES present Communism as the "only viable way", and he's longer-winded than I am!
EPGAH 5 months ago
@EPGAH 'In contrast to the European Union, in the U.S. the protection of families has not the status of a constitutional right overriding other law, so deportations can be mandated despite U.S. spouses or dependants.'
germarrudolf. com/
57worldwide 5 months ago
@57worldwide Yes, it's ON THE BOOKS that way, but what usually happens is either they let an illegal bitch stay because it did the "incredibly difficult" feat of getting pregnant, OR the illegal decides to leave its spawn HERE, then promptly whines that WE are breaking up the family.
My God, I don't want to break up families! Send the families home too!
Do you even know why the birth-control-failures of illegals are called "Anchor Babies"?
EPGAH 5 months ago
@EPGAH You know whats even harder than getting pregnant? Getting pregnant without having ... you know... There is this book i read once, it claims to be an accurate portrayal of of historical events but I don't buy it... There is no first hand sources and it was written 300 years after it supposedly took place... Oh and anchor babies! AHHHHHHHHHHHH! The black helicopters are comming! dont drink the fluoridated water!!!!!! AHHHHH! where's my tin foil hat?
posimosh 4 months ago
@posimosh That was sarcasm, you anti-Christian troll. Latin Americans breed at a rate that would be justifiable if they expected a large percentage of their brood were going to die, but is irresponsible for humans, being at the top of the food-chain!
A large population is more an expense/liability than an asset, which is why countries from America to CHINA are trying to cut back on population.
But instead of letting us enjoy our surplus resources, lesser countries dump surplus population on us!
EPGAH 4 months ago
@EPGAH I agree, being a Christian, expecting that GAWD will come save us after the human race has sufficiently used up all of earth's resources as well as made it toxic is counterproductive, and also called the rapture. Have you heard of it? Exploiting limited natural resources to the detriment of future generations because of faith in a GAWD that will bail you out cause, after all, you are a believer is selfish and shortsighted. There is a book that has good stories that teach this....
posimosh 1 month ago
@EPGAH Wait Wait Wait,"But instead of letting us enjoy our surplus resources, lesser countries dump surplus population on us!" What on earth are you talking about? I mean yeah we have to compete with the slave labor in "Developing countries" thanks to free trade. Perhaps we should advocate for womens rights around the world, after all this is the most effective way to decrease birthrate in a population...
posimosh 1 month ago
@posimosh Advocating for women's rights might be effective, but it takes a long time to change a culture toward the better, and they'll fight you every step of the way. Look at Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.
People with cushy research grants estimate it takes 20 YEARS to reverse a culture's bad attitudes. Do you know how much damage can be done in 20 years, that that Civilized World will have to foot the bill for?
Hell, look how much damage O-bum's done in only 3 years!
EPGAH 1 month ago
@posimosh The bad news is, once they fuck up their own countries to a sufficient degree, then they come here and fuck up ours.
What is illegal immigration if not a self-administered bailout, AKA Grand Scale Theft?
Also, I don't like the euphemism "Developing World", "Stagnation" or "Foreign Aid Addict" would be better. Developing implies forward movement, and any country that hasn't improved in say 50-60 years probably won't. Look at Japan, then look at Mexico.
EPGAH 1 month ago
@posimosh Japan and Mexico have approximately the same population (As in NUMBER of people), but the culture of Japan is substantially better, since Japan managed to become a techno-powerhouse, while Mexico is a Narco-Terrorist State.
Japan also has a few "minor" handicaps, like being nuked twice, nuking themselves once, less surface-area, less natural resources, which makes Japan's success and Mexico's failure even MORE spectacular, maybe even "Epic"!
EPGAH 1 month ago
@EPGAH Japan imports 90% of its food products, 95% of its energy needs.. and Nuclear power is now dead so.. ya. We`re screwed economically, and demographically. 250% GDP debt, 2 times that of greece. It was thanks the British and Americans that allowed Japan to become a powerhouse, throughout the 20th century.. now we are dying.. slowly... so slowly we dont even realize it..
teddythebenny 1 month ago
@teddythebenny Yes, but Japan LEARNED from the British and Americans. Mexico keeps wanting to do it their way (No relation to the Sinatra song)--even on OUR side of the border! Why didn't Japan ALSO refuse to learn and become an OBVIOUS hot mess like Mexico?
EPGAH 1 month ago
@EPGAH a bad student becomes a bad adult, a good student, becomes a good adult. that is what your saying.. and but bluntly, demographically, economically, politically, socially, religiously, geographically, and anthropologically, Japan and Mexico is far too different. Yet, what your saying is worth merit.. Which only leads me to ask, does the US government, want a strong mexico? because it wanted a strong Japan, as it is today. We openly flaunt the constitution now, that been the JSDF.
teddythebenny 1 month ago
@teddythebenny That, and that a bad CULTURE makes a bad COUNTRY. If a lesser culture can make a Mexico, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Somalia, or Los Angeles, Detroit, etc., then it NEEDS to be educated out of existence. Keeping alive a negative culture and "respecting" it is suicidal for its adherents and corrosive to anyone it comes in contact with.
Japan got better in only 60 years, Mexico has had 164 and stayed shit, and wants us to respect that?!
EPGAH 1 month ago
@teddythebenny If Mexico had a culture worth respecting, they would've bounced back from attacking us and losing the way Japan did, especially since they weren't even nuked (Although that might be the problem, never FORCED to learn what they were doing was wrong, therefore, no behavior correction?)
EPGAH 1 month ago
@EPGAH cultures, morals, ethics, societies, change. Any kind of ideal is a mere socio-psycho commodity. laws are made by people, thus are susceptible to change. Japan had to go through a revolution, for it to change its mindset, such that through it, we become a industrial nation from a feudal society in a generation or two. You realize, that 1/4 of the Labor force growth in the US are immigrants, as such, they are a necessary part of the US economy. A strong mexico will limit that.
teddythebenny 1 month ago
@teddythebenny By "immigrants", did you mean to say illegals, and just forgot that part?
By remaining addicted to ILLEGAL cheap labor, they are fucking Americans out of jobs&money, but in the long-term, fucking themselves out of a customer base. If you don't pay honest people an honest wage, noone will be ABLE to buy your products. Somehow, Henry Ford figured this out in the 1920s, and literally wrote the book on it!
Also, hiring criminals might not be such a great idea!
EPGAH 1 month ago
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@EPGAH By "immigrants", did you mean to say illegals, and just forgot that part?
- the IPC (immigrant policy center), classifies, immigrants, within both the illegal and lega framework.
addicted to ILLEGAL cheap labor
- Undocumented immigration is largely the result of two opposing forces: an immigration policy that significantly restricts the flow of labor and the economic reality of a changing native-born U.S. population. (IPC)
Look at any developed nation, they all have immigrant labor
teddythebenny 1 month ago
@teddythebenny Right now, I'd even say that the problem is TOO MUCH growth of the LABOR FORCE, and not enough JOBS to go around. Even with excluding people who are no longer eligible for unemployment, and/or people who just "gave up" looking for a job, unemployment under O-bum is STILL in the double digits, so we need to STOP growing the population, and actually shrink it, as the soldiers are coming home and THEY need jobs too! That was the REASON for Operation Wetback, remember?
EPGAH 1 month ago
@EPGAH The US had double digit, unemployment from the depression till the outbreak of the WW2 in the pacific. There is no quick fix. Judging from the fact, that in the past recessions, people were able to move to more economically productive areas, now however, it is not possible, because of the housing loans. All developed nations are having problems with demographics, baby boomers are aging, and the working pop is shrinking, thus who pays the taxes, i.e pensions? .. that is a fact of life now
teddythebenny 1 month ago
@teddythebenny You overlooked a big facet, though: America's Government pays out a lot more in SERVICES, from welfare to country-clubs for criminals ("Prisons")
Also, it's better for the economy to have more jobs than people than the reverse.
Our WORKING population may be shrinking, but the population in toto is GROWING. America's population DOUBLED in about 20 years!
More people=lower wages and higher prices=shit QOL for EVERYONE!
EPGAH 1 month ago
@EPGAH we can essentially, argue about the finer points of government policy, against legal realities.. and therein, clog this page. Or we can talk outside. I apologize to anyone who views these incessant comments as annoying and troublesome.
teddythebenny 1 month ago
@teddythebenny Well, that's what this thread was supposed to be about, but yes, if you prefer, we can take it to PM.
EPGAH 1 month ago
@teddythebenny The housing loans were another form of "Social Justice" Welfare, Clinton promoted the CRA--which had ALWAYS been around, but largely ignored--to THE most important law in the loan industry! Banks were pressured to make INCREDIBLY stupid loans. Because they were Only Following Orders, they demanded a bailout for the risks!
It was a horrible Object Lesson: Everyone WANTS a house, but not everyone DESERVES one.
EPGAH 1 month ago
@teddythebenny War's only a temporary fix: Eventually the soldiers come HOME, and need their jobs back, or at least jobs.
That is why Hoover, Truman, and Eisenhower somehow managed to deport all or nearly all the illegals even with their primitive tech (That, and the media didn't tell them "There's too many, you can't deport them all", so they went and did it, not knowing it was impossible)
Illegals out, Americans in!
EPGAH 1 month ago
@teddythebenny As to revolutions, isn't there a requirement that in order to be a Latin American country, they have to go through at least 5 revolutions?
As to laws, the thing that makes a law LAW is permanence, or more precisely, CONSISTENCY! If something is wrong NOW, it was wrong 10 years ago, and will be wrong 10 years hence. Without that, you have not LAW, but WHIM!
Thin line between Executive Order and Royal Edict, isn't it?
EPGAH 1 month ago