Hell, Christianity is the best religion (regarding morality, not sarcasm). But let's apply your logic to other religions. 1/2 chance for God to exist right? So, let's give 1/2 to the Christian God, 1/2 to Allah and, say, 1/2 to all other Gods. Apply simple statistical rules, and the final probability of God to exist is not 1/2.
The scientific method is used to prove facts. What it has not proven, will be. The bible is one of the greatest novels ever written. Full of "Mans" struggle with-in. Love stories, hate stories, epic battles, wife swapping, and even betrayal as a closer.
Do you really have a 50/50 chance of being right? I think not. It is not the same situation as a coin flip, where we know both possibilities exist. We do not know that both positions exist, but no god is the default. (In statistical parlance, it is the null hypothesis.)
Oh yeah, and the causal argument is not valid, either. There are a number of examples where it does not apply, such as the spontaneous formation of virtual particles, quantum tunneling, and various other quantum weirdness, do not require a cause.
Physical evidence makes random chance obsolete. Since the physical evidence points to life beginning about 3.5 b years ago, the fossil record, molecular gentics and cladistics demonstrate the evolutionary chain in full accord with each other, the chance of the babble being correct about creation is 0.
Look, I dont know with who you're talking to, cause, I did'nt insulted anybody. In fact, if you know your language very well, you should know that I was insulted. Dont come here with this mediocre insult about language (I never lied about my limitations), at least I am able to communicate with people that dont speak my maternal language. Can you talk with me in portuguese?
Sure. But if you look in my videos you will see that I am not a Fundamentalist in Christianity as you are so in Atheism. For Example, I believe that the earth (it's material) is more then 6,000 years. It wa created before this time. Although I believe life had started in 6.000 years. That's why rocks are older than us.
One more thing "If you don't wanna believe, you will never believe". Wait, read that phrase again before go on.
Are you trying to find the equilibrium or trying to prove your point? If is the second statement then put your arguments and leave. Don't make me questions, doesn't matter what I say, it will give you only more reasons to dismiss others idea. Dont loose my time and yours.
Frankly I am sure that my argumment isn't the best, may even be the worst (what proves nothing). But my prejudice will never blind me like it do with you all. In the retoric field we can find argument to anything, what makes the difference is if I want to understand something and have a open dialogue/open mind or just prove my own,personal beliefs.
So, I believe that the universe was created by a mystical tie rack. This means that the possibility has just materialised out of my beliefs, and I have an equal chance of being correct to science and christianity. No.
Your theory is, quite frankly, the worst theory of science versus religion ever.
This is a FALACY. No great religion claims, stupidly like you described, a believe in something and period. All of them believe in som supernatural revelation that brought the bases of their believes. Bible, a prophet vision and etc...
Belief is not a fact. That is right. But what I believe can be a fact. This depends in what side you will bet your belief. In bible side or in Science side. You must have more faith to believe in Big Bang. Throw all the alfabetical letters up and wait it fall down in order. Scientists never were able to prove Big Bang, its just a theory, not proven, not experimented, and we are the faifhful guys. hehe
I respect your beliefs (sorry for the douche comment...a hehheh), but it wasn't me who came up with the knowledge that you can't use religion to prove the existence of God...it was St. Thomas Aquinas (or maybe another priest or saint, not sure since it's been a while since philosophy class, but it was the fact it was a priest who said it that got me)
[Continue]That's my believe and pressuposed idea. But going further I understand what you mean. And I am saying more, science have the same problem in its own side.
No, IT's NOT crap you douche. You just did it agAIN! Ok by even YOUR standards, 4 "great" religions right!? Well, then chances of one being correct, in addtion to none of them being correct, is not a 50% chance! WTF is wrong with you!??! And you also said "belief must be the method" ? THATS MY POINT! Belief or faith isn't fact. You can't use something you believe in to PROVE something you believe in! ITS A CIRCULAR ARGUMENT!!!!
Man, that's an incentive... A respectful discuss. I dont even know what douche means.hehe... Anyway,. I know it's not 50% in the detailed view. What I tried to say is that in the detailed view the science have divisions too what means is not 50% for the science too. I put it simplyfied in the video. Cause I believe that Christianity is the way.
You can't use religion to prove the existence of anything...it's useless. It's based on belief. Belief my boy, isn't knowledge. You tried to use a scientific method to denounce science (that very poor display of statistical application; 50%) was proven incorrect by someone easily pointing out the various numbers of religion. That may lead us all to believe that the only reason you would rely more on religion, in essence belief, is because you're inable to properly use scientific methods
you are so wrong. I can use the bible to prove the existence of a lot of things, because is the word of God. I can't prove anything with the bible in scientific matters. But what the bible says is evidence. Of course, the method here must be the belief. About the more religions argument, THIS IS CRAP. THERE MUCH MORE POINTS OF VIEW IN SCIENCE THEN RELIGIONS (4 great religions, 3 great books0.
There's a 50/50 chance that a penny will land heads up when you toss it. There's NOT a 50/50 chance that the penny will fall towards the center of the earth. Why? Because science tells us that the chance it will float is nearly 0%. God created science to tell us about the natural world. Stop ignoring God.
Sometimes looks like we agree. The problem in your discuss is that you wanna put God inside a science tube. The nature is one of God's book, but the bible is the other one. AND as I said before, it is the word of God for a reason. that my college work's doesn't allow me to show. I couldnot find time for the next video yet.
I'm not trying to put god into a test-tube. I'm trying to take him out. Whether you believe in God or not is irrelivent to this. Science is on the right track as far as our origins. And God came before that (or didn't if you choose to believe in something else). Science is all about discovering the creation.
So why are we discussing? looks like we are on the same side. I just don't agree with this statement: "Science is on the right track as far as our origins." My problem is that you are in the middle. You want to say that God exists and burn bibles. This is contraditory. If God exists Science will never be able to expain Him, or He will not be our Creator. The problem for me is put the HUMAN BEEN in the core of existence, that is just ... If God exists He is in the core of our existence.
meh. I've never once said to burn bibles. Not sure where you got that. The core of my argument is that the bible is right, and we've been reading it incorrectly. If i'm in the middle, it's because both sides are looking at the same coin. Christians see heads... Scientists see tails. I'm trying to see the coin.
50 percent? I used to use that logic when i was 7 years old. I thought that you had a 50/50 chance of winning the lottery because you can either win, or you lose. 2 options, so 50/50 right?
Seeing how there have been at least 10,000 different religions... I would say that your chances are more along the line of 1/10,0000 (and thats being modest).
There are 33.000 religions in christianity but just 3 great religions. i have a reason to believe that I hold the 50 percent of my side, because I do believe my religion is right! Why? As I said before, lot of reasons, another whole history. PRESSUPOSED ideas as I said.
I used the pressupposed idea that Christianity is the true religion. I thought someone would come with this argument. It should be you! hehe. Well, why do I have this pressupposed idea? This is another whole history. I would loose tons of posts. I promise explain that on the bible video to come.
Terrible video. Faulty logic and terrible use of statistics. It doesn't appear you know much about the rules of argument.
fullmetalpuma 4 years ago
the bible is a story book. it's a crock of shit!
macropro 4 years ago
Hell, Christianity is the best religion (regarding morality, not sarcasm). But let's apply your logic to other religions. 1/2 chance for God to exist right? So, let's give 1/2 to the Christian God, 1/2 to Allah and, say, 1/2 to all other Gods. Apply simple statistical rules, and the final probability of God to exist is not 1/2.
Orthologist 4 years ago
The scientific method is used to prove facts. What it has not proven, will be. The bible is one of the greatest novels ever written. Full of "Mans" struggle with-in. Love stories, hate stories, epic battles, wife swapping, and even betrayal as a closer.
MistarX 5 years ago
Do you really have a 50/50 chance of being right? I think not. It is not the same situation as a coin flip, where we know both possibilities exist. We do not know that both positions exist, but no god is the default. (In statistical parlance, it is the null hypothesis.)
DrRandola 5 years ago
Oh yeah, and the causal argument is not valid, either. There are a number of examples where it does not apply, such as the spontaneous formation of virtual particles, quantum tunneling, and various other quantum weirdness, do not require a cause.
DrRandola 5 years ago
Physical evidence makes random chance obsolete. Since the physical evidence points to life beginning about 3.5 b years ago, the fossil record, molecular gentics and cladistics demonstrate the evolutionary chain in full accord with each other, the chance of the babble being correct about creation is 0.
DrRandola 5 years ago
Look, I dont know with who you're talking to, cause, I did'nt insulted anybody. In fact, if you know your language very well, you should know that I was insulted. Dont come here with this mediocre insult about language (I never lied about my limitations), at least I am able to communicate with people that dont speak my maternal language. Can you talk with me in portuguese?
vulkanom 5 years ago
ROFL. Learn to speak the language before you try to insult someone in it. You need a treadmill aswell.
scraz51 5 years ago
teories haha lovely.
LogicallyIncorrect 5 years ago
I commend you for a valiant effort, my friend. After seeing utnow's comment towards the end of his video, I was glad to see an attempted rebuttal.
siloseth 5 years ago
Sure. But if you look in my videos you will see that I am not a Fundamentalist in Christianity as you are so in Atheism. For Example, I believe that the earth (it's material) is more then 6,000 years. It wa created before this time. Although I believe life had started in 6.000 years. That's why rocks are older than us.
vulkanom 5 years ago
And fossils within those rocks which are older than us? Sorry dude, but the physical evidence says otherwise by a long ways.
DrRandola 5 years ago
So...
If you don't wanna know, you will never know...
=)
Xoloitzcuintle 5 years ago
If you wanna belive, you will always belive.
Xoloitzcuintle 5 years ago
One more thing "If you don't wanna believe, you will never believe". Wait, read that phrase again before go on.
Are you trying to find the equilibrium or trying to prove your point? If is the second statement then put your arguments and leave. Don't make me questions, doesn't matter what I say, it will give you only more reasons to dismiss others idea. Dont loose my time and yours.
vulkanom 5 years ago
Frankly I am sure that my argumment isn't the best, may even be the worst (what proves nothing). But my prejudice will never blind me like it do with you all. In the retoric field we can find argument to anything, what makes the difference is if I want to understand something and have a open dialogue/open mind or just prove my own,personal beliefs.
vulkanom 5 years ago
Save my time, say what you mean...
vulkanom 5 years ago
So, I believe that the universe was created by a mystical tie rack. This means that the possibility has just materialised out of my beliefs, and I have an equal chance of being correct to science and christianity. No.
Your theory is, quite frankly, the worst theory of science versus religion ever.
ploopyism 5 years ago
This is a FALACY. No great religion claims, stupidly like you described, a believe in something and period. All of them believe in som supernatural revelation that brought the bases of their believes. Bible, a prophet vision and etc...
vulkanom 5 years ago
pease look at a scientific dictionary...
search "Scientific theory"
=P
Xoloitzcuintle 5 years ago
"its just a theory"
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Do you know what means "theory"?
i think you are confused, a cientific theory is not an hypothesis.
Xoloitzcuintle 5 years ago
.....what?!...what the hell are you talking about?! Big bang IS a theory, not a law, and not a hypothesis either..whats ur point?
brownshinobi 5 years ago
Belief is not a fact. That is right. But what I believe can be a fact. This depends in what side you will bet your belief. In bible side or in Science side. You must have more faith to believe in Big Bang. Throw all the alfabetical letters up and wait it fall down in order. Scientists never were able to prove Big Bang, its just a theory, not proven, not experimented, and we are the faifhful guys. hehe
vulkanom 5 years ago
I respect your beliefs (sorry for the douche comment...a hehheh), but it wasn't me who came up with the knowledge that you can't use religion to prove the existence of God...it was St. Thomas Aquinas (or maybe another priest or saint, not sure since it's been a while since philosophy class, but it was the fact it was a priest who said it that got me)
brownshinobi 5 years ago
[Continue]That's my believe and pressuposed idea. But going further I understand what you mean. And I am saying more, science have the same problem in its own side.
vulkanom 5 years ago
No, IT's NOT crap you douche. You just did it agAIN! Ok by even YOUR standards, 4 "great" religions right!? Well, then chances of one being correct, in addtion to none of them being correct, is not a 50% chance! WTF is wrong with you!??! And you also said "belief must be the method" ? THATS MY POINT! Belief or faith isn't fact. You can't use something you believe in to PROVE something you believe in! ITS A CIRCULAR ARGUMENT!!!!
brownshinobi 5 years ago
Man, that's an incentive... A respectful discuss. I dont even know what douche means.hehe... Anyway,. I know it's not 50% in the detailed view. What I tried to say is that in the detailed view the science have divisions too what means is not 50% for the science too. I put it simplyfied in the video. Cause I believe that Christianity is the way.
vulkanom 5 years ago
You can't use religion to prove the existence of anything...it's useless. It's based on belief. Belief my boy, isn't knowledge. You tried to use a scientific method to denounce science (that very poor display of statistical application; 50%) was proven incorrect by someone easily pointing out the various numbers of religion. That may lead us all to believe that the only reason you would rely more on religion, in essence belief, is because you're inable to properly use scientific methods
brownshinobi 5 years ago
you are so wrong. I can use the bible to prove the existence of a lot of things, because is the word of God. I can't prove anything with the bible in scientific matters. But what the bible says is evidence. Of course, the method here must be the belief. About the more religions argument, THIS IS CRAP. THERE MUCH MORE POINTS OF VIEW IN SCIENCE THEN RELIGIONS (4 great religions, 3 great books0.
vulkanom 5 years ago
There's a 50/50 chance that a penny will land heads up when you toss it. There's NOT a 50/50 chance that the penny will fall towards the center of the earth. Why? Because science tells us that the chance it will float is nearly 0%. God created science to tell us about the natural world. Stop ignoring God.
utnow 5 years ago
Sometimes looks like we agree. The problem in your discuss is that you wanna put God inside a science tube. The nature is one of God's book, but the bible is the other one. AND as I said before, it is the word of God for a reason. that my college work's doesn't allow me to show. I couldnot find time for the next video yet.
vulkanom 5 years ago
I'm not trying to put god into a test-tube. I'm trying to take him out. Whether you believe in God or not is irrelivent to this. Science is on the right track as far as our origins. And God came before that (or didn't if you choose to believe in something else). Science is all about discovering the creation.
utnow 5 years ago
So why are we discussing? looks like we are on the same side. I just don't agree with this statement: "Science is on the right track as far as our origins." My problem is that you are in the middle. You want to say that God exists and burn bibles. This is contraditory. If God exists Science will never be able to expain Him, or He will not be our Creator. The problem for me is put the HUMAN BEEN in the core of existence, that is just ... If God exists He is in the core of our existence.
vulkanom 5 years ago
meh. I've never once said to burn bibles. Not sure where you got that. The core of my argument is that the bible is right, and we've been reading it incorrectly. If i'm in the middle, it's because both sides are looking at the same coin. Christians see heads... Scientists see tails. I'm trying to see the coin.
utnow 5 years ago
All you have to do is pray, and ask. God will correct. God gave us the Holy Spirit to comfort us in all ways. Including understanding of his word.
rgb562006 5 years ago
50 percent? I used to use that logic when i was 7 years old. I thought that you had a 50/50 chance of winning the lottery because you can either win, or you lose. 2 options, so 50/50 right?
Seeing how there have been at least 10,000 different religions... I would say that your chances are more along the line of 1/10,0000 (and thats being modest).
zakiechan 5 years ago
There are 33.000 religions in christianity but just 3 great religions. i have a reason to believe that I hold the 50 percent of my side, because I do believe my religion is right! Why? As I said before, lot of reasons, another whole history. PRESSUPOSED ideas as I said.
vulkanom 5 years ago
Hi man. How's doing?
I used the pressupposed idea that Christianity is the true religion. I thought someone would come with this argument. It should be you! hehe. Well, why do I have this pressupposed idea? This is another whole history. I would loose tons of posts. I promise explain that on the bible video to come.
vulkanom 5 years ago
ah!.. and... Hi!
=)
Xoloitzcuintle 5 years ago
50%?.. I don't think so...
What is the % of the Coran?
What is the % of the Popol Vuh?
What is the % of Another holly book?
Xoloitzcuintle 5 years ago