On the Question of Genocide Flora Challenges LDS Man!

[darkwish1982]

Im in USA for 10 years.Most wanderfull people I ever meet is LDS people...

[exmoagogo]

The wonderful legacy of Joseph Smith endures to this day with underage girls being raped by his perverted doctrines.

Thanks Mormonism!

[wemallards]

Failure.

Look at the rating doofus.

[msrouse]

I am cornholio I need tp for my bunghole

[fincenMIB]

If we ignore those over 18 and concentrate on those illegal underage unions, most of the FLDS leaders will be prosecuted, not under religion, but under unlaw sex with minors. Merrils daughter in the news, was 12 when wed to Warren in July 2006. 22 months later she is only 13, what does that tell you?

Whether polygamy is the issue or only underage, the practise remains illegal and those violating the law, scream loudest for protection under the law!

Like illegal alien, entitledments!

[DadsBlueAngel]

Texas did violate international law in its attempt to remove

children permanently from their parents in order to eliminate their parents religion. You feel that it would be

useful to bring a bad test case to the UN ie. a controversisl one--Do you want to eliminate all International Laws, yeild

all international accords? What about the Nueremberg

medical accords. I was born 23 hours after the Papper clipper's flash blindness test. Eliminate all international laws so you can

[euromann12]

I guess that (white trailer trash) is the "famous" flora jesop.

Does anyone know who that other fat bitch is?

[fincenMIB]

Well lets see since you are on the internet forbidden by Warren Jeffs, you must be an apostate! Branded by Warren as either a "Son of Satan" or "Son of Lucifer", so how much better are you than Flora?

Under Warren's law ye are both damned!

You are as Cain, marked and waiting to turn black and white trailer trash! Atleast she is white!

[euromann12]

Take it easy lady, my name is John Walker Lindh and my current faith is American Taliban.

I am the one who escaped the USA and I helping the world learn the truth about USA.

My book "The Original Escape" will be available as son as I take care of some current legal issues.

[alb2000]

Jay, ur a whole lot dumber than you look.

[fincenMIB]

Glad to see Warren allowed you out of your cage. Isn't freedom of speech fun, you can actually speak your mind! Dumb? Why do I let you post anything, then leave it up? You know I can remove your post or block you, WHY don't I?

Its a trick question, don't hurt yourself trying to figure it out!

[dasnasdi]

We see this repeatedly in the comments on fincenMIB's vids. He wants to know the identities of anyone expressing criticism. Compiling dossiers?

In fincenMIB's world, either you support the actions of Texas CPS, or you are a pedophile. No middle ground. This just goes to show that you don't have to be religious to be a fanatic.

[fincenMIB]

You have 26 favorites and no video's of your own. This is MY blog where I post what I want and I graciously offer you Free Speech in my yard. I can block you or remove your postings, but don't!

I am opinionated from real abuse! From welfare and medical fraud already documented.

If you violate the law per underage, it is illegal and without merit. I abide by these laws, what is your need to ignore these and to defend them?

The rule of Law vs Your Gods law? What was your name again?

[fincenMIB]

The idea that many at this meeting want to decriminalize polygamy, requires a process of lobbying, a legislator to crusade the bill and the public at large to vote and support the changes.

As spokesman for your cause, you want us to accept your right to violate the age restriction as if you are special!

If what you do is illegal now, and you want to further ignore the age issue, that will remain the law after decriminalization, in escense you prefer no laws applying, so why decriminalize?

[dasnasdi]

Polygamy laws should be kept on the books as an expression of our society's disapproval.

Texas police received a false report, entered a home in belief that someone was in imminent danger, and charged those present with sodomy. The result: a ruling which effectively struck down all such laws nationwide, eliminating society's ability to symbolically express disapproval of homosexuality in the same manner.

[dasnasdi]

Do you actually expect the system in 2008 to indict individuals for carrying on more than one sexual relationship, with the full knowledge of all parties involved?

[fincenMIB]

I guess you missed Warren Jeffs photos today carrying his 12 year old bride, lip locked in a french kiss! His ass is grass! Its not over, what do you think they found in those 1,000 boxes confiscated?

Wait for the DNA! Yesterdays ruling fizzled after todays photo's were entered in as evidence, there's more, be patient!

Consenting adults are great, but if you decide for a 12 year old, then she is not your partner, but rather your sex slave!

Owning a gun in utah is like owning a bible!

[fincenMIB]

Doesn't the mainstream church frown on those who use the temple, but profess or associate with fundamentalist as living a lie? If you are questioning Flora's integrity, can the mainstream church question your itegrity?

A tour of each group sounds like you were shopping, certainly not shunning as required by the mainstream LDS Church.

So its my blog, like my home, you've entered with out knocking, you call me and my friends names, and we graceously allow you to do so! So continue please!

[dasnasdi]

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Let's clarify what an LDS Church member is not allowed to do.

Those who join an apostate group, or whose affiliation is informal, are not permitted to hold a temple recommend. Teaching ideas the church finds objectionable is considered conduct unbecoming of a member, and can result in disciplinary action up to and including membership revocation. Academics sometimes come into conflict with the hierarchy on this basis, however there are no restrictions one what a member may research.

[dasnasdi]

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The only things we are prohibited from reading are pornographic magazines. The Mormon culture puts strong emphasis on avoiding contention, I have little doubt that you have had Mormons walk away from you, but nothing in church policy mandates anyone be shunned. It is also in the culture that we are to avoid "anti-Mormon literature", but again, no official policy.

[dasnasdi]

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It's been 20 years since Jessie L. Embry conducted extensive interviews and published "Mormon Polygamous Families". She remained at BYU, and the book is still in print.

[dasnasdi]

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With that out of the way, now let me address your challenge to "continue". How can a dialog continue when you keep ignoring my questions, avoiding the points I have made, and keep changing the subject?

DadsBlueAngel and I contend that mass murder is not the only means of genocide. --no answer

I argue that polygamy laws are as enforceable as sodomy laws. --no answer.

[dasnasdi]

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I ask if you seriously expect the system to prosecute on the basis of polygamy alone. --no answer

I accuse you of believing anyone who disagrees with you, in any way, is a perp. --You address me as if I were a follower of Warren Jeffs.

I accuse you of compiling dossiers. --You ask for my identity.

[dasnasdi]

Genocide is a strong word, but the FLDS clearly face a deliberate effort to eradicate them as a people, along with their culture and their faith.

[CRISTO359]

EVIL WOMAN (ELO)

Hey woman, you got the blues, cos' you ain't got no one else to use.

There's an open road that leads nowhere, so just make some miles

between here and there.

Ha woman what you gonna do,

You destroyed all the virtues that the Lord gave you,

It's so good that you're feeling pain,

But you better get yourself on board the very next train.

[DadsBlueAngel]

Nobody is arguing that forced marriage or child

sexual assault is legal, or permissable in or out of marriage at any age. Jewish boys and girls married

one another at 10 and 12, this did not justify the

holocaust, though changing such backward ways

was one of Hitlers stated aims. The International

Accords on Genocide are immutable, a mass

transfer of children from one group to another

was the intent of this raid. The UN will have to

return these children if Texas does not get it.

[DadsBlueAngel]

Sorry for the double posting. I think the current

derogatory term is Feminazi. I had 2 years left

to get my MSW and was in an Inservice MSW

program with 8,000 work hours when I left

the Y to go with my husband to his University.

Anyone can Google The UN Conventions on

Genocide and see that they apply to times

of war and peace. The Constitution also

forbids the use of force against civilians.

Our rights are getting harder to secure.

[fincenMIB]

In Warrens belief system god protects the rightous, he allows harm to those who do not abide as prophets of god.

The man was jailed, he confessed in jail, then renegged on that confession to his god?

In court he said he was innocent, a lie based on his own confession, withheld until after the trial.

Maybe GOD is punishing him for lying in the confession, even a moron here can watch. Then maybe the YFZ raid was gods will, punishment for those who followed a false prophet? WHY NOT?

[fincenMIB]

According to Warren Jeffs own sermons what is occuring against the FLDS would be punishment for being unfaithful. In his audios he states the FLDS break laws but were protected of GOD!

To respect not any religion but HIS, what is occuring now is punishment of the unrightous.

Why don't we respect his belief that GOD has withheld protection for a reason? Had the State of Texas reversed its ruling, that would be GOD's hand too! Why not both directions? Courts are fair, ONLY when I WIN!

WJ

[fincenMIB]

Bottom line Warren created the need for state intervention.

In 2000/2001 Utah Senator Ron Allen passed SB146 a child bigamy bill. Warren set out that month to defy the law and married hundreds since. Mayor Barlow was interviewed, the FLDS knew the law.

Warren to save the UEP was ordered into court, but chose to run knowing his guilt.

He was later added to the FBI list.

He fled Utah, fleeing prosecution, including the rape of his nephew.

Warren captured, confessed, still guilty --

[DadsBlueAngel]

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide . . .

[Definitions] Article II:Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group . . . (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:

(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;

(d) Attempt to commit genocide;

(e) Complicity in genocide

LDS and Polygamous men compiled evidence post WWII

[DadsBlueAngel]

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide . . . [Definitions] Article II:Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group . . . (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Article III: The following acts shall be punishable:

(a) Genocide;

(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;

(d) Attempt to commit genocide;

(e) Complicity in genocide. 

[fincenMIB]

Is this Billie?

State a real name so I can see whether you are a man of integrity or just another pedophile arguing for the right to maintain white slavery dangling eternal salvation over the heads of educational thwarted women, who believe their salvation in the after life is dependent on a pedophile who won't even use his real name when arguing why laws don't apply.

I need to no your rap sheet to understand your motivation, integrity while violating existing laws, states you have none!

[DadsBlueAngel]

The mass raid tactic is caused by the illegality of polygamy and the difficulty of providing proper supervision by the schools, health, and mental health systems, the lack of social contact between children in home schooling families and a supervising educator. The legalization of polygamy

would solve these problems.

[fincenMIB]

He didn't know much about the culture, but seemed to have a grasp on the present church. I doubt he would of lied in front of the dozen or so TV crews. He said he was led to attend and had driven nearly 300 miles. I have to assume his statements represented him. like I might state I am an activist?

[omiolo]

the cigs really bother me. I expect people to be smarter than that.

Are you sure this guy is LDS and not pretending to be LDS. He dresses and acts like a polygamist.

Genocide???? definitely said for sensationalism

[fincenMIB]

He is in another video, he stated a question to the 2 Attorney Generals and said he was mainstream church.

Outside he was suggesting the FLDS needed a new leader, Flora was suggesting that they have no leader and learn to think and act for and by themselves.

They in part are in trouble having already given up their Free Agency!

I had wondered if this guy from SLC was suggesting or thinking, that he might be a candidate for new leadership??

[omiolo]

He might have said he was LDS but don't you think he looks the part of a polygamist....I am not saying he is FLDS but he looks like a polygamist.

[harrypfan47]

she gotta have her cigs

[freespeech]

and tight jeans no more modest dress for that jezebel, ok what a tramp I understand why she in no-longer a member who would want her she is probably a pole-dancer, what freedom she'll be in hell with Her father the Devil, hope you get saved for all your lies and your black 16 year old cell-phone-friend that caused the stupid raid, Lord Jesus Christ Please forgive those wicked-wicked-women

[fincenMIB]

What about Warren Jeffs banging Merril Jessops 12 year old daughter? Yesterday the judge sealed the marriage records od a 12 year old. What about men who say God told them to bang children, ignoring mans law?

Then the same demand protection under the law, pretty twisted!

Merril Jessops daughter, bet he gets charged!

Then a million dollars in Medical fraud by Merrill, don't you think we taxpayers are tired of paying the bills of the FLDS faithful?

[freespeech]

ok maybe you have inside info like nancy grace? and know it all and can judge befor the fact. and check out all the underage girls (children) across america that have children without responsible father's to raise them ok more taxpayers bucks , no problem there as long as they have kids by many fathers = tax-fraud lol

[fincenMIB]

Always back to "two wrongs make a right", interest defense!

Why not become an activist to police the gentiles and protect those young women, we would applaud such actions.

Instead we hear preteen sex defended as an entitlement under freedom of religion. Try it in Iran or Iraq as an American and see where it gets you.

[freespeech]

Tehran - Iranian authorities have approved a law to raise the age at which girls can get married without their parents' consent to 13 from nine and for boys to 15 from 14, newspapers said on Sunday

[freespeech]

The arbitration body ruling does not change the age at which children can get married - nine for girls and 14 for boys - but says girls below the age of 13 and boys younger than 15 need their parents' permission and the approval of a "righteous court".