@emfederin how do you know what my intentions are or how it was aimed? your not me. I do hope and pray for those to see and believe the same things I do but I certainly don't force my beliefs on others because it is ultimately their choice in the end. What I present on here is an opinion of my beliefs in debate or discussion. how others take it, however wrong the assumptions of my intentions may be (such as yourself), is beyond my control. I love you all and PRAY for you.....not plead with you
@emfederin I do believe in our Lord God as in the only God. My last comment was only presenting the scenario of "what if" from the perspective of a skeptic. I personally believe in and have a personal relationship with God the only God. and I work on and strive to make that relationship stronger each day that I wake up and I present God in the best way that I can to those I encounter on a daily basis. Everyone from those who see me daily, to those I interact with online.
@nhspowerlifter59 "My last comment was only presenting the scenario of "what if" from the perspective of a skeptic"
No, it was NOT made "from the perspective of a skeptic". It was made from the perspective of a magical thinker who desperately wants others to believe his delusions by offering ridiculous "TEST-ah-MONY" as though it were some kind of "evidence".
That might fly inside your church, but it doesn't fly in reality.
@parsivalhorse I believe in God because I've seen him change lives, cure cancer in not only my families but my friends families, I've seen him heal limbs before my eyes, I've actually seen him heal a man's lazy eye that this particular man had for 50 plus years.....and the last one I can provide evidence for right here right now with facebook pictures
@nhspowerlifter59 "I believe in God because I've seen him change lives, cure cancer in not only my families but my friends families, I've seen him heal limbs before my eyes, I've actually seen him heal a man's lazy eye that this particular man had for 50 plus years"
And I've seen criss angel walking through solids, too. There are videos all over youtube showing him doing it.
But only an idiot would actually think he can actually do that; a sane person KNOWS there's a rational explanation.
@parsivalhorse ok then I'm not gonna have faith that you don't have rabies because you provided no evidence to the contrary.......same concept.......my evidence simply carries more wieght, and you legitimately want proof, then i will provide it for your petty argument just to shut you up when i get home from break on monday. You made something out of nothing and made yourself look like a skeptical fool which means you trust very little, which causes people to then be skeptical of you congrats
@parsivalhorse actually I didn't say I had it, I said it was readily available, which means that it is easily accessible. You can believe what you want, Thats why God gave us free will, so we could chose but ask yourself this. What if I'm right? if your right and I'm wrong, then I simply cease to exist. If I'm right and your wrong then you literally dug your own grave for not considering God and Heaven as a viable possibility after death. I pray because for you I know what it can do
@nhspowerlifter59 "What if I'm right? if your right and I'm wrong, then I simply cease to exist. If I'm right and your wrong then you literally dug your own grave for not considering God and Heaven as a viable possibility after death"
So IOW, you don't actually "believe" in this god of yours, you're just hedging your bet in case he exists. This also implies that you worship all other gods as well, from the FSM to zeus to vishnu.
Now run along now and go look up "pascal's wager".
@parsivalshorse Ok then prove to us when your last tetanus shot or xray was right here right now.....you can't. Why? because like me, you dont have the hospital in your back pocket....your asking me to provide evidence right here right now so I'm gonna ask you to provide evidence that you haven't contracted rabies from any animals or had any broken bones
@nhspowerlifter59 I don't need to prove my last tetanus shot - I'm not making any miraculous claims about it and claiming to have supporting evidence am I?
@parsivalshorse Considering @tanner1300 was actually there and witnessed my pain i at least have some sort of evidence in the sense that he can vouch for it until i could provide said evidence....plus why would i lie about something so outrageous? ESPECIALLY if I'm such a strong christian and God specifically commands us not to spread such things?
@nhspowerlifter59 Why would you lie about something so outrageous? Well simply because you can't rely on facts - so you have to make shit up. 'Strong' Christians lie all the time, who are you trying to kid?
@nhspowerlifter59 Did you notice by the way that your claim shifted from that you HAD evidence to that you could possibly get evidence at a later stage if you really needed to? So you have already admitted that your claim to have evidence is bullshit, you don't have evidence.
@parsivalshorse do i have them? and are they readily available this second? no because I am on spring break at about 350 miles from the hospital that has them. Could I get a hold of them if i wanted to? yes...plus i have 20 plus eye witnesses that saw me in pain, all of them close enough friends that would know if i was faking it
@parsivalshorse welp considering I have about 20 witnesses to my pain and I could probably get a hold of the actual xray pictures and post them, yes I would say there's proof and that its readily available
@nhspowerlifter59 Sure, that would be fantastic - you have dated x-rays of the broken screws and then a later x-ray of the screw whole? You before and after x-rays, is that your claim?
@gorilla199uncensored oh and by the way dont go saying the xray was taken from different angles. 5 different angles for each xray were taken, even the doctors had NO explanation for it other than God. I serve a God who heals all and who loves you and I. Do I like you for insulting my friend @tanner1300 ? no. But I do "love" you because its what we are commanded as Christians to do as one of God's greatest commandments. I pray you will someday find God and stop resorting to insulting people
@gorilla199uncensored story #2 I have had a kneecap replaced in recent years. Almost 2 months ago after the same conference stated in story #1, My replaced knee hurt worse than it ever had before. I went to the doctor to get an xray. turns out one of the 5 screws holding my cap in place had broken completely in half and I would need surgery in a week. After going back to my dorm I intensely prayed over my knee and it felt better. Next day, another xray. the screw was whole again. Explain that
@nhspowerlifter59 Why would anybody need to explain that? It's just an unfounded claim, and probably something that you made up - there is nothing to explain.
@gorilla199uncensored My proof for why God exists is two stories. #1 One I was at a college aged retreat. There after a dodgeball tournament, my knee hurt so bad that I could barely straighten or bend my leg. That night during service about 3 guys laid hands on my knee and started praying. I looked down because it literally felt like there were 50 sets of hands on my leg. After the praying stopped, the knee they had hands on was fine. waking up the next day my body EXCEPT my knee was still sore
@gorilla199uncensored God gave us free will so its only natural that his father would want to stay with his very beloved family. I can tell you that mocking this dude is not the best way to do things. I bet you he knows WAY more about the Bible AND science than you probably will ever know. Most of your comments go around in circles and make you look idiotic. How would you like it if your mom contracted got breast cancer and was in the hospital, then I walked in the room, and laughed at her face
homospaien78@In your life someone has you fooled into believing in them. I don't care if that happens your whole life in the end your not perfect and there is a person in this world to prove that. In the end the only person that cares about you on earth was and is Jesus Christ if you want to believe in Christ. Humility in understanding you are your own person you cannot control others feelings toward you. If you could only believe in one person who would that person be?Why not Jesus he forgives
@kaychikybabexo Because losing our hair gave us an evolutionary advantage, it made it much easier to shed heat. Look up; The Naked Truth: Why Humans Have No Fur, in Scientific American Nina G. Jablonski January 20, 2010
This is all a common example of the compulsion of self-imposed theory, manifested through a set of belief denial "goggles," or blinders for darkness if you will; falsely and deceitfully "releasing" man from ultimate accountability. Read Romans Ch. 1. It is the most deadly, foolish trade of eternal benefits and security that stems from the "primal" desire to blow it all out for this short little trip that so pathetically pales compared to the eternity we'll be dead for. The ultimate squander!
Don't forget that what Richard Dawkins is explaining is only a THEORY. If you believe it, you've been fooled. You may as well believe in Santa Clause.
@joseg1787 What do you mean by 'only' a theory - in science a theory is the highest possible level of knowledge. There is nothing above the status of theory. It's like saying someone is 'only' the all time world champion.
@joseg1787 "Don't forget that what Richard Dawkins is explaining is only a THEORY. If you believe it, you've been fooled. You may as well believe in Santa Clause.
-What about the christians who have accepted evolution as fact? Also, Santa Clause is an essential aspect of the "christmas" holiday, so why don't you, as a christian, believe in him?
@joseg1787 If your willing, pick up a dictionary and look up the word 'theory'-it is a polyseme. evolution is a 'scientific theory', which means it has an incredible amount of evidence to support it. In the scientific community the term is reserved for a theory that has undergone experiments and observation. The question is not 'does evolution exist?' but rather how it is implicated. we're still figuring it all out, but we know evolution is a real thing...much more real than santa
@FIREMANHENDOU 'We' have found dozens of different examples of our ape and primate ancestors - science stopped talking about 'missing' links a generation ago. Watch the video again.
Only a REAL FOOL would claim there is no God! Man creates awesome skyscrapers, fake hearts, tunnels, vehicles etc.. If we are very imperfect then what more can God create THE UNIVERSE! You must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior to receive eternal rest in heaven! Simple! John 3:16 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him! Repent & accept Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ or HELL?!? Visit cbn. com
@Charbel4God dude, evolution is FACT. things do change over time, do you have any dogs cats, or birds? these animals are able to be breed to form new breads. 3 NEW breeds of dog were recognized by AKC last year, though people have been breeding dogs since the 40's(Finnish Lapphund, American English Coonhound, and the Ceskey Terrier) if evolution does not happen, then explain how these new dogs came into existence?
any of a group of anthropoid primates characterized by long arms, a broad chest, and the absence of a tail, comprising the family Pongidae (great ape), which includes the chimpanzee, gorilla, and orangutan, and the family Hylobatidae (lesser ape), which includes the gibbon and siamang.
@JadedRockStar84 Most modern textbooks have homo sapiens included in the great apes, in the US pressure from the Christian Right make this somewhat less common than across the rest of the globe - but nevertheless homo sapiens are members of the great apes. The 'any primate accept humans' condition is no longer valid.
We're missing some intelligence in this conversation. Where's AvalonMoon22? I'd been following the debate till all things went downhill with some stonewalling tactics imposed on the conversation. I'd like to hear his commentary on ERV's.
i don't understand why it's so hard for some people to understand why creationism shouldn't be taught in science class. Simple answer: It isn't science. You wouldn't teach folklore in a math class; so why teach creationism in a science class? You'd confuse people.
@MinimoviesInc You wouldn't believe me if I told you. As I said, only animals eat their own shit, so, man only believes his own bullshit. You'll probably never believe in more than what science tells you. So have another helping.
@stranger7138 Excuse me? Can you back up your claim that ALL animals always eat their own shit, and humans have never, ever eaten their own shit? Because once you do, I will believe your claim, otherwise I'm afraid I lack the evidence to agree with that. And "science" cannot tell me anything. I prefer to look at the evidence and observations, and draw the most logical conclusion. So, could I please have your evidence? Citated internet links are fine :)
The 10 commandments were created for no other purpose then to maintain religious power. They are poorly worded and contain implied threats for thought crime.
Religious dimwits like you just love to worship the old testament like that.. and throw out all the hateful shit in it.. or disregard the things you don't care to hear.
How about you actually post on topic instead of proselytizing where your not welcome.
With the media it's brings attention to the idea that being a christian is wrong.This is nothing new.The higher opinion on earth has been the altercation against the Christian's.It has been for centuries.When this earth becomes connected enough.It will become a deductive logic theory, axiom. Christians will have the attention focused on them.Because Christians get people angry(its proven) it might not be that big of a world to support christian belief in the end.but, I believe in one god....
"With the media it's brings attention to the idea that being a christian is wrong."~
Ah.. no.. junior. The media is flat out telling you that being a religious zealot that places belief in front of scientific truth.. belief in front of compassion.. belief in front of reason.. is wrong. And it is.
Your a prime example of it.. coming in here whining about how your being persecuted all the while telling us to accept your bigoted world view.
"If we´re from apes, why are the apes still here?" I´ve FINALLY found a good (I think) analogy of this. The wooden shelf ask "If we´re from cutting boards, why are the cutting boards still here?" without realizing they´re both from the same plank. The cutting board are simply more similar to the board than the shelf.
The flaw is that shelves and cutting boards as well as planks are man made, ie intelligently designed, but it´s the best I could come up with for now.
The only thing I don't like is that its like saying the Chimpanzee is further evolved from us. Also why in the world would 2 species evolve from one? Wouldn't the one just adapt and change? I guess I just assume that the "survival of the fittest" would apply, not survival of the two fittest. I know my comment is assumptive, not full of facts, and against evolution, but its just some questions I happen to have. If you can answer them, please respond to me respectfully. I would appreciate it.
@gorilla199uncensored I just assumed looking at the evolutionary table when it shows up in the video.I'm different from my brothers and sisters on the same level that micro-evolution exists, however the 2 different species are macro. However, I would say that if one species NEEDED to evolve to survive (survival of fittest) then that would say that the species that didn't evolve wouldn't survive, otherwise the first wouldn't need to survive. This is opinion, please politely correct me where wrong
@tanner1300 " however the 2 different species are macro. " Maybew before opening your ignorant mouth on the subject again, you could google speciation and see cases that have been seen by human, document and recorded, even done by humans? "NEEDED to evolve" Stupid wording whatever it means its wrong. "that would say that the species that didn't evolve wouldn't survive" NO (Try thinking) Provide evidence Your god exists IT did it :) Thats why theres no theory of magic
@tanner1300 Quote: "Also why in the world would 2 species evolve from one?"
It doesn't work directly like that. Usualy, one specie evolves from another. Now, 3 possible scenario's : 1)sometimes, the new specie is not succesfull, and gets extinct, 2) sometimes, the new specie is more succesfull then the original and makes that one ( the original) get extinct. and 3) sometimes, both species can live next to eachother... compare it with the branches of a tree ;-)
@tanner1300 The Theory might not be complete yet: it's a relative young science, still evolving itself... but hey: i'm a college drop-out from 50 years old. I don't know it completely, but learned quite something about it in recent years. So, what aspect do you not understand? Where is the error in your oppinion?
@bish74 Well at least some evidence of it would be good, wouldn't you think. Or something other than "A long time ago and far far away we know for a fact that this is so....." If we're talking hypothetical probabilities, say so, just don't feed me some unsubstantiated detailed yarn as if its a fact. Admit it's an educated guess based on this and that and be done with it.
@lumenesque1 There are hundreds of fossils of early hominids, more than 400 individual remains just for Neanderthalis - the body of evidence is truly vast.
@lumenesque1 But there are million of pieces of evidence everywhere over the world... and new are found and discovered every day!... And what about yourself? You evolved in 9 months from 1 single cell into a human being...Isn't that the clearest evidence of evolution? ;-)
@bish74 Well if they are in the fossil record usually there are photographs of the remains like skulls or something. They have tonnes of those. So I think that my inquery is not out of the ordinary.
@Casimir1100 Do a google image search for the following: Orrorin tugenensis, Sahelanthopus tchadensis, Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus africanus, Homo Erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, Ardipithecus ramidus, Australopithecus anamemsis, Australopithecus boisei, Australopithecus garhi, Australopithecus platyops, Australopithecus robustus, Australopithecus sediba, Homo habilis, Homo rudolfensis, Homo ergaster, and Homo neanderthalensis.
@TheLastJedi2012 That is not answering my question. He was the one doing the teaching. It should be on his chart and it is not. My question is why he did not provide the images and just pointed at empty space. I've seen many pictures of fossils provided by many scientists and since I myself am not a scientist I have to take what these people say to be true by faith. Since I have no idea what they are talking about.
@Casimir1100 That was an excerpt from a Richard Dawkins documentary, just a brief explanation. If you truly want to understand human evolution read an evolutionary biology textbook or take an anthropology class. There are also some good documentaries on youtube. Search "Becoming Human PBS NOVA" "Origins of Us BBC" and "The Human Spark."
@Casimir1100 The point is: These things can be verified by people (ok, other scientists) all over the world on it's accuracy... that's the base of science: if someone bring on a new theory, it must be able to be repeated, or to be verified by others or by the theory itself. It questions itself until it's failsafe. Creationism does that not. They came with a theory, and they constantly adapt reality to that theory, and not vise-versa... and leaving out evidence that not matches the theory...
We no longer need the fossil record. The genetic record is far more complete.. has no holes or gaps and thus is far more annoying to the devout then a few scattered remains ever could be.
@PaleHearse Actually its not annoying at all. I don't know science, other people do. They say they discovered this that or the other thing. Thats totally fine. Just because they say it doesn't mean I have to believe. Why? Because I have a choice. Believing in certain claims of historical biological science is not binding on me in any way. They can say whatever they want. All I was pointing out was that he kept pointing to an empty space where he said something existed.
@Casimir1100 so your complaint is with the shoddy chart that lacks the proper illustrations. fair enough, he could have provided an image. i agree. it would be a bone fragment if a photograph, or just an artist rendering of the creature itself.
It would have been an artist's conception .. and not really worthy of the concept or what is actually known about the genetic data regarding that specific ancestor.
It's enough that now we are able to map the points and general dates that other related species branched off.
At least I'm satisfied with that.
It's funny that the devout here will place hard scientific evidence in the realm of "Santa". Lots of desperate projection going on there it seems.
How odd for the theists to come here with their foundation of ancient myths & superstitions and try and attack science's foundation of evidence. So primitive, so ignorant.
I believe in God, a young earth, not in evolution. Do I have faith in what I believe? Very much so, as much faith in what I believe as a scientist has faith in what he believes. There isn't definitive evidence in science, much as a scientist can't prove that water is wet, or that the speed of light is constant, however from what they observe comes theories. Much as I can't prove God healed my mom's heart, beyond she prayed, the doctor called it a miracle and was baffled. I'm not ignorant.
@tanner1300 Saying you're not ignorant, is being ignorant. Just because something can't be explained, doesn't mean a God did it. This kind of argument from ignorance, is like saying miracles happen from a unicorn, or a worm, or a rock. There is no reason to believe that a "God" created it over a "Unicorn".
@AznAndy9000 You are right. I don't believe God did it because I can't explain it. God has shown me time and time again he exists. Nothing ANY man can say will EVER make you believe in God. God would have to show himself to you personally if you were ever to believe in him. I'm saying that the person who said that i'm the reason IQ's are low in America is a little off base, considering my IQ is well above average. Not to prove i'm some genius. LOL out of context comment taken out of context
@gorilla199uncensored Cool..... my parents are rich. Most of my moms side of the family make over $300k. We are all Christian. I know that's not what you're getting at, I just want people to realize that there's no cookie cutter theory.
Pitty they didnt spend some money so you could go to a school where they learn to quote like my children did in early high school.
Then again being an xtian on average you have lower IQ.
There is a correlation between high fundamentalism and hick southern counties that have house hold incomes lower than what my children earn (thats the ones who havent started school yet) yet alone couldnt afford to raise one of my children.
@gorilla199uncensored I have a 141 IQ (top 99.25%) had a 4.0 Pre-Med and Psychology GPA in college, and have rich parents. Isaac Newton, C.S. Lewis, R C sproul, Thomas Aquinas, Wittgenstein, P.S. all the "proof" that atheists are smarter than Christians you would quote were published by Atheists. that's like having the current president say that he's the best president ever. Fail.
@gorilla199uncensored So you're an atheist right? Why are you wasting your precious time on here? You only have this life, you should be spending it with your family, or your sick grandma rather than trying to burst us Christians bubble. Nothing you can do or say will make me feel inferior to you, considering i'm quite intelligent. You won't win this argument with me and neither will I. Maybe you should be more concerned about the limited life you'll get than trying to bring us down with you
@gorilla199uncensored Did you know that every single continent has stories of a global flood? My God is never defeated. However, when people are disobedient to God, he allows them to be defeated. I pray your grandma's sickness to be healed.
@tanner1300 "Did you know that every single continent has stories of a global flood?" Yer 1) They had it before the xtians did 2) Their versions are dfferent 3) There was a massive flood when the dead sea was formed after an ice age about 12000 years ago. "My God is never defeated." THATS NOT YOUR BUYBULL SAYS! SAYS IT WAS DEFEATED BECAUSE THEY HAD IRON CHARIOTS! "I pray " No point it doenst work as proven by research.
Cant quote, wes dont learns that at college in usa for fundies!
I donts understand scientific theory
I cant even gets it hows dnas disprove ark children story (but I have no problem accepting it does prove parent hood, crimes etc even tho im totally ignorant of how it works)
I cant even uses common sences hows the ark fairy tales is bullshit"
We'll see how that holds to truth as we progress in our discussions. Many have come in here spouting their credentials.. and then shown their boast to be patently false.
Like many christians..what I'm seeing from you is that you seem to think that bible study trumps scientific learning...typical.
You seem to feel that because you "know" the bible..that it excuses you from scientific study because you arrogantly believe it gives you total understanding.
@"P.S. all the "proof" that atheists are smarter than Christians you would quote were published by Atheists. that's like having the current president say that he's the best president ever. Fail"
It's also like all the "proof" that god exists is published by christians. Even bigger fail.
@AznAndy9000 You seem to be arguing from ignorance as well. Just because something can be explained doesn't rule out God. Just as your other statement lacks reason also. How does saying your not ignorant, be ignorant? Does saying I'm not a scientist make me a scientist? Your logic and reasoning skills leave much to be desired.
@tanner1300 So what a bout the many people who pray for healing and don't get helped by any supernatural power? and don't come tell me: they didn't pray enough... or they must have done something terribly wrong in their live...
@janbuyck1 The Bible answers that. A person living in sin, living with unforgiveness, Those who are not believers are seperated from God because of their sin. One must go to Christ, believe in him for forgiveness of their sins, and repent (turn away) from sin, once you are living righteous, God turns his ears to the righteous, but turns away from Evil.
@tanner1300 : isn't that sick from your creator? I mean, if he is so powerfull that he could create the whole universe, with people and all in it, why did he create sinners then? wouldn't it have been better if he made us all good people? Your - non verified - bible is so contadictory. and on top of that: it's man written by a primitive people in the Middle-East who lived between about 2000 and 3000 years ago , and was maliciously manipulated by the romans about 1600 years ago
I love how tanner1300 god wants you to believe for NO REASON AT ALL, you must have FAITH (No reason to believe this BASELESS BELIEF) and will not punish or reward you in life only after death.
JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER RELIGION!
If I was making a scam it would be just the same as the religious ones.
@janbuyck1 You can't even comprehend how much God loves you. He hates that the crappy stuff that happened to you when you were a child by people you trusted most. Forgiveness heals.
@tanner1300 Yes, you're absolutely right.... God loves me, and so does Allah, Jahweh, Adonai, Bhudda, Vishnu, Zeus, Wodan, Jupiter, The Flying Spaghetti monster, The Invisible Pink Unicorn, the spirit from the Volcano, ... So it looks like if all these supernatural powers take care of me i'm rather saved.... eh, ... from what, by the way?
@tanner1300 I dont get your drift.... so you want me to forgive people who are telling us lies and who's goal is suppres us so they can enrich themselves on our backs? Well, i'm not so shure about that...
"Hmmm why does every xtian avoid heaven if they think its true?"~
Don't give them any ideas.. next they will be crashing planes into planned parenthood offices and churches that perform gay marriages. It's just how the religious roll.
It's cyclical... so until we can get society in general to realize how morally sick and stupid these basic ideas really are.. we're stuck in this mobius strip where forced moderation turns to fundamental violence.
@gorilla199uncensored No. I will seek treatment, and seek God the same way as my father did when he actually did have bowel cancer. Thanks for bringing up the past. My dad is 100% cured of his cancer. Had a little bit removed. Through it all grew closer to God, knowing its a miracle he didn't die it was so bad. So I guess I'd say I would do exactly as my father did when he had the cancer you speak of. Ironic.
@tanner1300 "No. I will seek treatment," AVOIDING HEAVEN! That proves you dont believe its real! "knowing its a miracle " Funny how yoru god never does miracles so that Xtians have lower cancer rate than others Have better outcomes than other. Perhaps you can explain why your god cant heal amputees? LOL "Ironic." That you would avoid going to going to heaven! ANSWER THIS Is it not a risk you take staying alive? What if you go mental and become muslim?
@tanner1300 "No. I will seek treatment, and seek God the same way as my father did when he actually did have bowel cancer. Thanks for bringing up the past. My dad is 100% cured of his cancer"
Awww...poor BAY-bee!!! Good for your father. Bringing up my own past is that my father died of brain cancer and my mother first had breast cancer which she survived, and 10 yrs later died of spinal cancer, so quit your fucking whining and grow up.
Let me guess you didnt bother to educate yoruself!
After all the more eductaed you are the harder it is to ignore the science that provves the bible false!
So will you prove to me the bible is correct by drinking poison it tells me you can and it wont hurt you.
Rather why wont you?
Its all fun to pretend you are xtian and poretend you believe the buybull until it comes to the crunch, just like your dad didnt believe otherwise why would he avoid heaven!
@gorilla199uncensored I'm sorry I didn't read your whole response. I find it hard to read someone telling me to educate myself, when they can't even spell "didn't or yourself" correctly.
@gorilla199uncensored You're so amazing. I wish I was exactly like you. You're the greatest thing that ever happened to YouTube. They should pay you or the things you write.
@gorilla199uncensored You're like a psychic. How do you do it? its like you know everything. It's a miracle. I thought only God knew everything. Guess you sir have achieved more than Eisenstein did! You've got to be the smartest man to ever walk the earth.
@emfederin how do you know what my intentions are or how it was aimed? your not me. I do hope and pray for those to see and believe the same things I do but I certainly don't force my beliefs on others because it is ultimately their choice in the end. What I present on here is an opinion of my beliefs in debate or discussion. how others take it, however wrong the assumptions of my intentions may be (such as yourself), is beyond my control. I love you all and PRAY for you.....not plead with you
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@emfederin I do believe in our Lord God as in the only God. My last comment was only presenting the scenario of "what if" from the perspective of a skeptic. I personally believe in and have a personal relationship with God the only God. and I work on and strive to make that relationship stronger each day that I wake up and I present God in the best way that I can to those I encounter on a daily basis. Everyone from those who see me daily, to those I interact with online.
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@nhspowerlifter59 "My last comment was only presenting the scenario of "what if" from the perspective of a skeptic"
No, it was NOT made "from the perspective of a skeptic". It was made from the perspective of a magical thinker who desperately wants others to believe his delusions by offering ridiculous "TEST-ah-MONY" as though it were some kind of "evidence".
That might fly inside your church, but it doesn't fly in reality.
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@parsivalhorse I believe in God because I've seen him change lives, cure cancer in not only my families but my friends families, I've seen him heal limbs before my eyes, I've actually seen him heal a man's lazy eye that this particular man had for 50 plus years.....and the last one I can provide evidence for right here right now with facebook pictures
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@nhspowerlifter59 "I believe in God because I've seen him change lives, cure cancer in not only my families but my friends families, I've seen him heal limbs before my eyes, I've actually seen him heal a man's lazy eye that this particular man had for 50 plus years"
And I've seen criss angel walking through solids, too. There are videos all over youtube showing him doing it.
But only an idiot would actually think he can actually do that; a sane person KNOWS there's a rational explanation.
emfederin 6 hours ago
@parsivalhorse ok then I'm not gonna have faith that you don't have rabies because you provided no evidence to the contrary.......same concept.......my evidence simply carries more wieght, and you legitimately want proof, then i will provide it for your petty argument just to shut you up when i get home from break on monday. You made something out of nothing and made yourself look like a skeptical fool which means you trust very little, which causes people to then be skeptical of you congrats
nhspowerlifter59 6 hours ago
@parsivalhorse actually I didn't say I had it, I said it was readily available, which means that it is easily accessible. You can believe what you want, Thats why God gave us free will, so we could chose but ask yourself this. What if I'm right? if your right and I'm wrong, then I simply cease to exist. If I'm right and your wrong then you literally dug your own grave for not considering God and Heaven as a viable possibility after death. I pray because for you I know what it can do
nhspowerlifter59 7 hours ago
@nhspowerlifter59 "What if I'm right? if your right and I'm wrong, then I simply cease to exist. If I'm right and your wrong then you literally dug your own grave for not considering God and Heaven as a viable possibility after death"
So IOW, you don't actually "believe" in this god of yours, you're just hedging your bet in case he exists. This also implies that you worship all other gods as well, from the FSM to zeus to vishnu.
Now run along now and go look up "pascal's wager".
emfederin 6 hours ago
@parsivalshorse Ok then prove to us when your last tetanus shot or xray was right here right now.....you can't. Why? because like me, you dont have the hospital in your back pocket....your asking me to provide evidence right here right now so I'm gonna ask you to provide evidence that you haven't contracted rabies from any animals or had any broken bones
nhspowerlifter59 7 hours ago
@nhspowerlifter59 I don't need to prove my last tetanus shot - I'm not making any miraculous claims about it and claiming to have supporting evidence am I?
parsivalshorse 7 hours ago
@parsivalshorse Considering @tanner1300 was actually there and witnessed my pain i at least have some sort of evidence in the sense that he can vouch for it until i could provide said evidence....plus why would i lie about something so outrageous? ESPECIALLY if I'm such a strong christian and God specifically commands us not to spread such things?
nhspowerlifter59 7 hours ago
@nhspowerlifter59 Why would you lie about something so outrageous? Well simply because you can't rely on facts - so you have to make shit up. 'Strong' Christians lie all the time, who are you trying to kid?
parsivalshorse 7 hours ago
@nhspowerlifter59 Did you notice by the way that your claim shifted from that you HAD evidence to that you could possibly get evidence at a later stage if you really needed to? So you have already admitted that your claim to have evidence is bullshit, you don't have evidence.
parsivalshorse 7 hours ago
@parsivalshorse do i have them? and are they readily available this second? no because I am on spring break at about 350 miles from the hospital that has them. Could I get a hold of them if i wanted to? yes...plus i have 20 plus eye witnesses that saw me in pain, all of them close enough friends that would know if i was faking it
nhspowerlifter59 7 hours ago
@nhspowerlifter59 Oh what a surprise! So you have the proof but can't get hold of it right now? Wow! What a shock!
parsivalshorse 7 hours ago
@parsivalshorse welp considering I have about 20 witnesses to my pain and I could probably get a hold of the actual xray pictures and post them, yes I would say there's proof and that its readily available
nhspowerlifter59 7 hours ago
@nhspowerlifter59 Sure, that would be fantastic - you have dated x-rays of the broken screws and then a later x-ray of the screw whole? You before and after x-rays, is that your claim?
parsivalshorse 7 hours ago
@nhspowerlifter59 When I say that I would be willing to bet that you are lying - I mean it, you do not have evidence of the event you describe.
parsivalshorse 7 hours ago
@gorilla199uncensored oh and by the way dont go saying the xray was taken from different angles. 5 different angles for each xray were taken, even the doctors had NO explanation for it other than God. I serve a God who heals all and who loves you and I. Do I like you for insulting my friend @tanner1300 ? no. But I do "love" you because its what we are commanded as Christians to do as one of God's greatest commandments. I pray you will someday find God and stop resorting to insulting people
nhspowerlifter59 8 hours ago
@gorilla199uncensored story #2 I have had a kneecap replaced in recent years. Almost 2 months ago after the same conference stated in story #1, My replaced knee hurt worse than it ever had before. I went to the doctor to get an xray. turns out one of the 5 screws holding my cap in place had broken completely in half and I would need surgery in a week. After going back to my dorm I intensely prayed over my knee and it felt better. Next day, another xray. the screw was whole again. Explain that
nhspowerlifter59 8 hours ago
@nhspowerlifter59 Why would anybody need to explain that? It's just an unfounded claim, and probably something that you made up - there is nothing to explain.
parsivalshorse 8 hours ago
@parsivalshorse actually he isn't making it up. There's proof.
tanner1300 8 hours ago
@tanner1300 Yeah, and I bet that the 'proof' is somehow not available to show anyone right?
parsivalshorse 7 hours ago
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@gorilla199uncensored My proof for why God exists is two stories. #1 One I was at a college aged retreat. There after a dodgeball tournament, my knee hurt so bad that I could barely straighten or bend my leg. That night during service about 3 guys laid hands on my knee and started praying. I looked down because it literally felt like there were 50 sets of hands on my leg. After the praying stopped, the knee they had hands on was fine. waking up the next day my body EXCEPT my knee was still sore
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nhspowerlifter59 8 hours ago
@gorilla199uncensored God gave us free will so its only natural that his father would want to stay with his very beloved family. I can tell you that mocking this dude is not the best way to do things. I bet you he knows WAY more about the Bible AND science than you probably will ever know. Most of your comments go around in circles and make you look idiotic. How would you like it if your mom contracted got breast cancer and was in the hospital, then I walked in the room, and laughed at her face
nhspowerlifter59 9 hours ago
So a human is a closer descendant to the chimpanzee, than what a gorilla is?.... hahaha. What utter nonsense!
"Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools." - Romans 1:22
odbranak 11 hours ago
homospaien78@In your life someone has you fooled into believing in them. I don't care if that happens your whole life in the end your not perfect and there is a person in this world to prove that. In the end the only person that cares about you on earth was and is Jesus Christ if you want to believe in Christ. Humility in understanding you are your own person you cannot control others feelings toward you. If you could only believe in one person who would that person be?Why not Jesus he forgives
klwneu 12 hours ago
so why did we loose all most of our hair and start wearing clothes.
kaychikybabexo 13 hours ago
@kaychikybabexo Because losing our hair gave us an evolutionary advantage, it made it much easier to shed heat. Look up; The Naked Truth: Why Humans Have No Fur, in Scientific American Nina G. Jablonski January 20, 2010
parsivalshorse 12 hours ago
so how did we crawl out of the ocean millions of years ago? was the lungs developed before of after we climbed out?... just wondering
kaychikybabexo 14 hours ago
@kaychikybabexo Google 'lungfish' or mudskippers, catfish, eels, salamanders. Fish with lungs are still relatively common.
parsivalshorse 13 hours ago
@parsivalshorse cool thanks
kaychikybabexo 13 hours ago
Bonobo's are pretty whorish, I'm surely NOT their descendant!
ChillOutExpresso 16 hours ago
This is all a common example of the compulsion of self-imposed theory, manifested through a set of belief denial "goggles," or blinders for darkness if you will; falsely and deceitfully "releasing" man from ultimate accountability. Read Romans Ch. 1. It is the most deadly, foolish trade of eternal benefits and security that stems from the "primal" desire to blow it all out for this short little trip that so pathetically pales compared to the eternity we'll be dead for. The ultimate squander!
chriswooten7 1 day ago
@chriswooten7 I see you never say in 3 words what you can say in 50 by sticking a bunch of ridiculous adjectives into your drivel.
As long as I don't have to spend eternity with the likes of you, I'll be happy.
emfederin 23 hours ago
@chriswooten7
I believe the most appropriate counter-argument to your post is "lol"
alin1975 22 hours ago
Don't forget that what Richard Dawkins is explaining is only a THEORY. If you believe it, you've been fooled. You may as well believe in Santa Clause.
joseg1787 1 day ago
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@joseg1787 "You may as well believe in Santa Clause"
Yet another "it's only a theory" zombie who has no clue what a theory is, but loves to repeat the official fundie mantra like a trained monkey.
BTW, we don't believe in "santa claus", but at least we know how to spell it.
emfederin 1 day ago
@joseg1787 What do you mean by 'only' a theory - in science a theory is the highest possible level of knowledge. There is nothing above the status of theory. It's like saying someone is 'only' the all time world champion.
parsivalshorse 1 day ago
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@joseg1787 "Don't forget that what Richard Dawkins is explaining is only a THEORY. If you believe it, you've been fooled. You may as well believe in Santa Clause.
-What about the christians who have accepted evolution as fact? Also, Santa Clause is an essential aspect of the "christmas" holiday, so why don't you, as a christian, believe in him?
HomoSpaien78 1 day ago
@joseg1787 Haha, do you even know what scientific theory means?
DeterminationForever 1 day ago
@joseg1787 If your willing, pick up a dictionary and look up the word 'theory'-it is a polyseme. evolution is a 'scientific theory', which means it has an incredible amount of evidence to support it. In the scientific community the term is reserved for a theory that has undergone experiments and observation. The question is not 'does evolution exist?' but rather how it is implicated. we're still figuring it all out, but we know evolution is a real thing...much more real than santa
bish74 19 hours ago
There is no god. You're all idiots if you believe there is.
B0n351 1 day ago
What is that species that we evolved from? Why is it missing? why cant we find this missing link? Somethings not kosher????
FIREMANHENDOU 1 day ago
@FIREMANHENDOU 'We' have found dozens of different examples of our ape and primate ancestors - science stopped talking about 'missing' links a generation ago. Watch the video again.
parsivalshorse 1 day ago
What is our parent species though?
h3avysoundz 1 day ago
If Americans are descended from Europeans then how come there are still Europeans!?
Checkmate, gaytheists. HA!
StewieSwan 2 days ago 15
@StewieSwan What he said!
bundegrades 2 days ago
@StewieSwan Your not serious right?
golfplayer93 1 day ago
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tigersforchrist 2 days ago in playlist Atheism vs. Creationism
1000 people are chimpanzee's
DrazhiHD 2 days ago
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pissrhoads 3 days ago
I love the guy in the background at 0.16: "Yeah... I was thinking the same thing" :D
Precious.
alin1975 3 days ago 12
All of you who believe this are just monkeys. So when i call a atheist a monkey don’t be offended..
Charbel4God 4 days ago
@Charbel4God Actually, monkeys have tails, which humans do not. So it would be very wrong to call humans monkeys. But all humans are apes, yes.
MinimoviesInc 4 days ago
@Charbel4God dude, evolution is FACT. things do change over time, do you have any dogs cats, or birds? these animals are able to be breed to form new breads. 3 NEW breeds of dog were recognized by AKC last year, though people have been breeding dogs since the 40's(Finnish Lapphund, American English Coonhound, and the Ceskey Terrier) if evolution does not happen, then explain how these new dogs came into existence?
alanwake009 4 days ago
@Charbel4God Ok, you're not a monkey ,but you can't escape the fact that you are like all of us an ape too, even if you don't want to be... ;-)
janbuyck1 4 days ago
@Charbel4God Humans are apes - not monkeys.
parsivalshorse 4 days ago
@parsivalshorse Humans are Humans, Apes are Apes. We are all primates.
JadedRockStar84 4 days ago
@JadedRockStar84 Humans are classified as hominidae - The Great Apes.
parsivalshorse 3 days ago 2
@parsivalshorse Right. Now look up the definition for Ape.
JadedRockStar84 3 days ago
@parsivalshorse 1.
any of a group of anthropoid primates characterized by long arms, a broad chest, and the absence of a tail, comprising the family Pongidae (great ape), which includes the chimpanzee, gorilla, and orangutan, and the family Hylobatidae (lesser ape), which includes the gibbon and siamang.
2.
(loosely) any primate except humans.
3.
an imitator; mimic.
4.
Informal . a big, ugly, clumsy person.
Figured I could save you the time.
JadedRockStar84 3 days ago
@JadedRockStar84 Most modern textbooks have homo sapiens included in the great apes, in the US pressure from the Christian Right make this somewhat less common than across the rest of the globe - but nevertheless homo sapiens are members of the great apes. The 'any primate accept humans' condition is no longer valid.
parsivalshorse 2 days ago
@parsivalshorse sorry 'except'
parsivalshorse 2 days ago
@parsivalshorse O, ok Ape!
Charbel4God 2 days ago
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We're missing some intelligence in this conversation. Where's AvalonMoon22? I'd been following the debate till all things went downhill with some stonewalling tactics imposed on the conversation. I'd like to hear his commentary on ERV's.
lumenesque1 4 days ago
i don't understand why it's so hard for some people to understand why creationism shouldn't be taught in science class. Simple answer: It isn't science. You wouldn't teach folklore in a math class; so why teach creationism in a science class? You'd confuse people.
Samael51760 4 days ago
Stephen Baldwin is such a blithering idiot.
gekritzl 5 days ago
dogs "evolved" from wolves, but they both still exist. i wonder if creationists ever noticed that.
Zatzzo 5 days ago
It would appear that some people are evolved from animals. Only an animal would eat its own shit.
stranger7138 5 days ago
@stranger7138 ALL people are evolved from animals. In fact, we ARE animals by definition. What causes us not to be an animal?
MinimoviesInc 4 days ago
@MinimoviesInc You wouldn't believe me if I told you. As I said, only animals eat their own shit, so, man only believes his own bullshit. You'll probably never believe in more than what science tells you. So have another helping.
stranger7138 4 days ago
@stranger7138 Excuse me? Can you back up your claim that ALL animals always eat their own shit, and humans have never, ever eaten their own shit? Because once you do, I will believe your claim, otherwise I'm afraid I lack the evidence to agree with that. And "science" cannot tell me anything. I prefer to look at the evidence and observations, and draw the most logical conclusion. So, could I please have your evidence? Citated internet links are fine :)
MinimoviesInc 2 days ago
It seems to be a requirement to be totally stupid to be a (fundamentalist) christian
rubbeldiekatz85 5 days ago
Follow the ten commandments humbly and remember the trials that Jesus suffered. And You'll be fine. Its as easy as that.
klwneu 5 days ago
@klwneu
Fuck the 10 commandments.
The 10 commandments were created for no other purpose then to maintain religious power. They are poorly worded and contain implied threats for thought crime.
Religious dimwits like you just love to worship the old testament like that.. and throw out all the hateful shit in it.. or disregard the things you don't care to hear.
How about you actually post on topic instead of proselytizing where your not welcome.
Christians suffering persecution? By whom?
PaleHearse 5 days ago
With the media it's brings attention to the idea that being a christian is wrong.This is nothing new.The higher opinion on earth has been the altercation against the Christian's.It has been for centuries.When this earth becomes connected enough.It will become a deductive logic theory, axiom. Christians will have the attention focused on them.Because Christians get people angry(its proven) it might not be that big of a world to support christian belief in the end.but, I believe in one god....
klwneu 5 days ago
@klwneu
"With the media it's brings attention to the idea that being a christian is wrong."~
Ah.. no.. junior. The media is flat out telling you that being a religious zealot that places belief in front of scientific truth.. belief in front of compassion.. belief in front of reason.. is wrong. And it is.
Your a prime example of it.. coming in here whining about how your being persecuted all the while telling us to accept your bigoted world view.
Your morally sick.
PaleHearse 5 days ago
@PaleHearse I had no idea what this klwneu was saying when I first read his comment...
HomoSpaien78 5 days ago
@HomoSpaien78
Same crap different day. It boils down to this:
"I'm superior to you because my god made everything.. and he even knows my name!".
Everything they spout is just a twist on that same narcissistic nonsense.
Then.. the a-hole comes in here and DARES to tell a collection of atheists that HE is the one being persecuted. What a nincompoop.
Atheists are the single most persecuted group in America.. and this idiot wants sympathy?
Some people's kids.
PaleHearse 4 days ago
@PaleHearse That's why I'm here. I'm playing the game differently. Take a look at my videos and you'll see what I mean.
HomoSpaien78 4 days ago
Do people believe his shit.................
peterg7200 5 days ago
"If we´re from apes, why are the apes still here?" I´ve FINALLY found a good (I think) analogy of this. The wooden shelf ask "If we´re from cutting boards, why are the cutting boards still here?" without realizing they´re both from the same plank. The cutting board are simply more similar to the board than the shelf.
The flaw is that shelves and cutting boards as well as planks are man made, ie intelligently designed, but it´s the best I could come up with for now.
LoverofLiszt 5 days ago
The only thing I don't like is that its like saying the Chimpanzee is further evolved from us. Also why in the world would 2 species evolve from one? Wouldn't the one just adapt and change? I guess I just assume that the "survival of the fittest" would apply, not survival of the two fittest. I know my comment is assumptive, not full of facts, and against evolution, but its just some questions I happen to have. If you can answer them, please respond to me respectfully. I would appreciate it.
tanner1300 5 days ago
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@tanner1300 Well species branching into two or more species and then branching again and again over time is how all life on earth evolved.
parsivalshorse 5 days ago
@tanner1300
"The only thing I don't like is that its like saying the Chimpanzee is further evolved from us"
What says that?
"Also why in the world would 2 species evolve from one?"
Same as asking why arnt you exactly the same as your siblings.
Why are [eople different?
gorilla199uncensored 5 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored I just assumed looking at the evolutionary table when it shows up in the video.I'm different from my brothers and sisters on the same level that micro-evolution exists, however the 2 different species are macro. However, I would say that if one species NEEDED to evolve to survive (survival of fittest) then that would say that the species that didn't evolve wouldn't survive, otherwise the first wouldn't need to survive. This is opinion, please politely correct me where wrong
tanner1300 4 days ago
gorilla199uncensored 4 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored Maybe you should consult a dictionary before calling someone ignorant?
tanner1300 4 days ago
@tanner1300 Quote: "Also why in the world would 2 species evolve from one?"
It doesn't work directly like that. Usualy, one specie evolves from another. Now, 3 possible scenario's : 1)sometimes, the new specie is not succesfull, and gets extinct, 2) sometimes, the new specie is more succesfull then the original and makes that one ( the original) get extinct. and 3) sometimes, both species can live next to eachother... compare it with the branches of a tree ;-)
janbuyck1 5 days ago
@janbuyck1 Gotcha. Still seems kinda odd to me ya know. I mean I get it, it just seems like there's an err in the theory somewhere.
tanner1300 4 days ago
@tanner1300 The Theory might not be complete yet: it's a relative young science, still evolving itself... but hey: i'm a college drop-out from 50 years old. I don't know it completely, but learned quite something about it in recent years. So, what aspect do you not understand? Where is the error in your oppinion?
janbuyck1 4 days ago
look at how peaceful that explanation was, no shouting, not killing, no hating.... just the facts
penrun 5 days ago 3
Who are these invisible ancestors we share? He was pointing at empty spaces...Just saying.
Casimir1100 5 days ago
@Casimir1100 were you expecting a photograph of a species that died off millions of years ago?
bish74 5 days ago
@bish74 Well at least some evidence of it would be good, wouldn't you think. Or something other than "A long time ago and far far away we know for a fact that this is so....." If we're talking hypothetical probabilities, say so, just don't feed me some unsubstantiated detailed yarn as if its a fact. Admit it's an educated guess based on this and that and be done with it.
lumenesque1 5 days ago
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@lumenesque1 There are hundreds of fossils of early hominids, more than 400 individual remains just for Neanderthalis - the body of evidence is truly vast.
parsivalshorse 5 days ago
@lumenesque1 But there are million of pieces of evidence everywhere over the world... and new are found and discovered every day!... And what about yourself? You evolved in 9 months from 1 single cell into a human being...Isn't that the clearest evidence of evolution? ;-)
janbuyck1 4 days ago
@lumenesque1 but it's much more than a guess, educated or not.
bish74 19 hours ago
@bish74 Well if they are in the fossil record usually there are photographs of the remains like skulls or something. They have tonnes of those. So I think that my inquery is not out of the ordinary.
Casimir1100 5 days ago
@Casimir1100 Do a google image search for the following: Orrorin tugenensis, Sahelanthopus tchadensis, Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus africanus, Homo Erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, Ardipithecus ramidus, Australopithecus anamemsis, Australopithecus boisei, Australopithecus garhi, Australopithecus platyops, Australopithecus robustus, Australopithecus sediba, Homo habilis, Homo rudolfensis, Homo ergaster, and Homo neanderthalensis.
TheLastJedi2012 5 days ago
@TheLastJedi2012 That is not answering my question. He was the one doing the teaching. It should be on his chart and it is not. My question is why he did not provide the images and just pointed at empty space. I've seen many pictures of fossils provided by many scientists and since I myself am not a scientist I have to take what these people say to be true by faith. Since I have no idea what they are talking about.
Casimir1100 5 days ago
@Casimir1100 That was an excerpt from a Richard Dawkins documentary, just a brief explanation. If you truly want to understand human evolution read an evolutionary biology textbook or take an anthropology class. There are also some good documentaries on youtube. Search "Becoming Human PBS NOVA" "Origins of Us BBC" and "The Human Spark."
TheLastJedi2012 4 days ago
@Casimir1100 The point is: These things can be verified by people (ok, other scientists) all over the world on it's accuracy... that's the base of science: if someone bring on a new theory, it must be able to be repeated, or to be verified by others or by the theory itself. It questions itself until it's failsafe. Creationism does that not. They came with a theory, and they constantly adapt reality to that theory, and not vise-versa... and leaving out evidence that not matches the theory...
janbuyck1 4 days ago
@Casimir1100
We no longer need the fossil record. The genetic record is far more complete.. has no holes or gaps and thus is far more annoying to the devout then a few scattered remains ever could be.
PaleHearse 5 days ago
@PaleHearse Actually its not annoying at all. I don't know science, other people do. They say they discovered this that or the other thing. Thats totally fine. Just because they say it doesn't mean I have to believe. Why? Because I have a choice. Believing in certain claims of historical biological science is not binding on me in any way. They can say whatever they want. All I was pointing out was that he kept pointing to an empty space where he said something existed.
Casimir1100 5 days ago
@Casimir1100 so your complaint is with the shoddy chart that lacks the proper illustrations. fair enough, he could have provided an image. i agree. it would be a bone fragment if a photograph, or just an artist rendering of the creature itself.
bish74 19 hours ago
@bish74
It would have been an artist's conception .. and not really worthy of the concept or what is actually known about the genetic data regarding that specific ancestor.
It's enough that now we are able to map the points and general dates that other related species branched off.
At least I'm satisfied with that.
It's funny that the devout here will place hard scientific evidence in the realm of "Santa". Lots of desperate projection going on there it seems.
PaleHearse 15 hours ago
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@Casimir1100
"Who are these invisible ancestors we share? He was pointing at empty spaces...Just saying."~
Chapter 10 of "The Greatest Show on Earth". He lays it out for you.
PaleHearse 5 days ago
How odd for the theists to come here with their foundation of ancient myths & superstitions and try and attack science's foundation of evidence. So primitive, so ignorant.
megasage009 5 days ago
@megasage009 "So primitive, so ignorant.":
You've arrived just on time. Thanks for reaffirming my point.
AvalonMoon22 5 days ago
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@AvalonMoon22 "So primitive, so ignorant.":You've arrived just on time. Thanks for reaffirming my point."
uh, I'm talking about theists. (You).
megasage009 5 days ago
I believe in God, a young earth, not in evolution. Do I have faith in what I believe? Very much so, as much faith in what I believe as a scientist has faith in what he believes. There isn't definitive evidence in science, much as a scientist can't prove that water is wet, or that the speed of light is constant, however from what they observe comes theories. Much as I can't prove God healed my mom's heart, beyond she prayed, the doctor called it a miracle and was baffled. I'm not ignorant.
tanner1300 5 days ago
@tanner1300 Saying you're not ignorant, is being ignorant. Just because something can't be explained, doesn't mean a God did it. This kind of argument from ignorance, is like saying miracles happen from a unicorn, or a worm, or a rock. There is no reason to believe that a "God" created it over a "Unicorn".
AznAndy9000 5 days ago
@AznAndy9000 You are right. I don't believe God did it because I can't explain it. God has shown me time and time again he exists. Nothing ANY man can say will EVER make you believe in God. God would have to show himself to you personally if you were ever to believe in him. I'm saying that the person who said that i'm the reason IQ's are low in America is a little off base, considering my IQ is well above average. Not to prove i'm some genius. LOL out of context comment taken out of context
tanner1300 5 days ago
@tanner1300
"who said that i'm the reason IQ's are low in America"
No its jsut as intelligence/education level increase god pretending decreases.
Where do you find very high % of fundies?
Thats right in very low income counties. As shown by the USA census.
gorilla199uncensored 5 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored Cool..... my parents are rich. Most of my moms side of the family make over $300k. We are all Christian. I know that's not what you're getting at, I just want people to realize that there's no cookie cutter theory.
tanner1300 4 days ago
@tanner1300
"Cool..... my parents are rich. "
Pitty they didnt spend some money so you could go to a school where they learn to quote like my children did in early high school.
Then again being an xtian on average you have lower IQ.
There is a correlation between high fundamentalism and hick southern counties that have house hold incomes lower than what my children earn (thats the ones who havent started school yet) yet alone couldnt afford to raise one of my children.
gorilla199uncensored 4 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored I have a 141 IQ (top 99.25%) had a 4.0 Pre-Med and Psychology GPA in college, and have rich parents. Isaac Newton, C.S. Lewis, R C sproul, Thomas Aquinas, Wittgenstein, P.S. all the "proof" that atheists are smarter than Christians you would quote were published by Atheists. that's like having the current president say that he's the best president ever. Fail.
tanner1300 4 days ago
@tanner1300
Whatever the FACT STILL REMAINS
As education/IQ level increases god pretending decreases!
"P.S. all the "proof" that atheists are smarter than Christians you would quote were published by Atheists."
LOL yer USAs 2 largest survery houses are in on the conspiracy right?
Also the USA National Academy of Sciences is part of the conrspiracy as their published stats only show a 20% of members being god pretenders.
Do I need to mention Nobel Prize winners in Science? :)
gorilla199uncensored 4 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored So you're an atheist right? Why are you wasting your precious time on here? You only have this life, you should be spending it with your family, or your sick grandma rather than trying to burst us Christians bubble. Nothing you can do or say will make me feel inferior to you, considering i'm quite intelligent. You won't win this argument with me and neither will I. Maybe you should be more concerned about the limited life you'll get than trying to bring us down with you
tanner1300 4 days ago
@tanner1300
Hit a nerve, who has gone all defensive!
Nope cant cure god pretending until the patient decides to be cured.
"considering i'm quite intelligent. "
Does that make you feel good? Does saying that help you over come your problems? Not as good as eating lots to overcome the feelings is it.
So do you believe the crap in the bible?
Ark fairy tale?
Stone disobediant children?
Your god is defeated by chariots?
gorilla199uncensored 4 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored Did you know that every single continent has stories of a global flood? My God is never defeated. However, when people are disobedient to God, he allows them to be defeated. I pray your grandma's sickness to be healed.
tanner1300 4 days ago
@tanner1300 go shove a cross up your ass and stfu
flaurosan 4 days ago
@flaurosan sorry to offend you sir. Hope you and your wife have a great day tomorrow.
tanner1300 4 days ago
gorilla199uncensored 4 days ago
@tanner1300
"Did you know that every single continent has stories of a global flood?"~
Have you ever been in a flood? Do you realize how fiction stories get written?
Fiction is written when a writer has an experience.. then extrapolates truths learned in that experience and inflates their proportions.
What.. the fuck.. do you think an author/storyteller would have made of the tsunami that just happened.. eh?
Get a grip junior.
PaleHearse 4 days ago
@PaleHearse Ok. I will. you have a good day.
tanner1300 3 days ago
@tanner1300
Since your so smart. You could use google educate yourself then answer your own questions?
Then you can reply here and demonstrate you are able to educate yourself by stating why your claims where wrong.
Did you manage to google and rid yourself of your ignorance of speciation?
Are you able to cut and paste examples of speciation from google documented by people here? (I doubt it)
gorilla199uncensored 4 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored I can google proof that Pigs fly, and come up with 28 million results. that doesn't make it proof as truth
tanner1300 4 days ago
@tanner1300
"I can google proof"
"Im smarts buts
Cant quote, wes dont learns that at college in usa for fundies!
I donts understand scientific theory
I cant even gets it hows dnas disprove ark children story (but I have no problem accepting it does prove parent hood, crimes etc even tho im totally ignorant of how it works)
I cant even uses common sences hows the ark fairy tales is bullshit"
Tanner1300
gorilla199uncensored 4 days ago
@tanner1300
"I have a 141 IQ"~
We'll see how that holds to truth as we progress in our discussions. Many have come in here spouting their credentials.. and then shown their boast to be patently false.
Like many christians..what I'm seeing from you is that you seem to think that bible study trumps scientific learning...typical.
You seem to feel that because you "know" the bible..that it excuses you from scientific study because you arrogantly believe it gives you total understanding.
PaleHearse 4 days ago
@PaleHearse yep. you are 100% correct. Go you
tanner1300 3 days ago
@tanner1300 "I have a 141 IQ"
WOW! That's almost as high as mine!
@"P.S. all the "proof" that atheists are smarter than Christians you would quote were published by Atheists. that's like having the current president say that he's the best president ever. Fail"
It's also like all the "proof" that god exists is published by christians. Even bigger fail.
emfederin 3 days ago
@emfederin Sweet. Thanks for your opinion brother. Hope you have a good night of sleep tonight. Your illness won't bother you this evening.
tanner1300 3 days ago
@AznAndy9000 You seem to be arguing from ignorance as well. Just because something can be explained doesn't rule out God. Just as your other statement lacks reason also. How does saying your not ignorant, be ignorant? Does saying I'm not a scientist make me a scientist? Your logic and reasoning skills leave much to be desired.
Casimir1100 4 days ago
@tanner1300
"There isn't definitive evidence in science, "~
Here's your tinfoil hat.
PaleHearse 5 days ago
@PaleHearse Thank you. I've been looking all over for it! Blasted thing grew legs and walked right out of the room.
tanner1300 5 days ago
@tanner1300 So what a bout the many people who pray for healing and don't get helped by any supernatural power? and don't come tell me: they didn't pray enough... or they must have done something terribly wrong in their live...
janbuyck1 4 days ago
@janbuyck1 The Bible answers that. A person living in sin, living with unforgiveness, Those who are not believers are seperated from God because of their sin. One must go to Christ, believe in him for forgiveness of their sins, and repent (turn away) from sin, once you are living righteous, God turns his ears to the righteous, but turns away from Evil.
tanner1300 4 days ago
@tanner1300 : isn't that sick from your creator? I mean, if he is so powerfull that he could create the whole universe, with people and all in it, why did he create sinners then? wouldn't it have been better if he made us all good people? Your - non verified - bible is so contadictory. and on top of that: it's man written by a primitive people in the Middle-East who lived between about 2000 and 3000 years ago , and was maliciously manipulated by the romans about 1600 years ago
janbuyck1 4 days ago
@janbuyck1
I love how tanner1300 god wants you to believe for NO REASON AT ALL, you must have FAITH (No reason to believe this BASELESS BELIEF) and will not punish or reward you in life only after death.
JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER RELIGION!
If I was making a scam it would be just the same as the religious ones.
gorilla199uncensored 4 days ago
@janbuyck1 You can't even comprehend how much God loves you. He hates that the crappy stuff that happened to you when you were a child by people you trusted most. Forgiveness heals.
tanner1300 4 days ago
@tanner1300 Yes, you're absolutely right.... God loves me, and so does Allah, Jahweh, Adonai, Bhudda, Vishnu, Zeus, Wodan, Jupiter, The Flying Spaghetti monster, The Invisible Pink Unicorn, the spirit from the Volcano, ... So it looks like if all these supernatural powers take care of me i'm rather saved.... eh, ... from what, by the way?
janbuyck1 4 days ago
@janbuyck1 From living a life of unforgiveness. You can't live your life angry for what happened.
tanner1300 4 days ago
@tanner1300 I dont get your drift.... so you want me to forgive people who are telling us lies and who's goal is suppres us so they can enrich themselves on our backs? Well, i'm not so shure about that...
janbuyck1 4 days ago
@tanner1300
So when you get bowel cancer will you seek medical treatment and avoid god?
Hmmm why does every xtian avoid heaven if they think its true? LOL
gorilla199uncensored 4 days ago
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@gorilla199uncensored
"Hmmm why does every xtian avoid heaven if they think its true?"~
Don't give them any ideas.. next they will be crashing planes into planned parenthood offices and churches that perform gay marriages. It's just how the religious roll.
It's cyclical... so until we can get society in general to realize how morally sick and stupid these basic ideas really are.. we're stuck in this mobius strip where forced moderation turns to fundamental violence.
PaleHearse 4 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored No. I will seek treatment, and seek God the same way as my father did when he actually did have bowel cancer. Thanks for bringing up the past. My dad is 100% cured of his cancer. Had a little bit removed. Through it all grew closer to God, knowing its a miracle he didn't die it was so bad. So I guess I'd say I would do exactly as my father did when he had the cancer you speak of. Ironic.
tanner1300 3 days ago
gorilla199uncensored 3 days ago
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@tanner1300 "No. I will seek treatment, and seek God the same way as my father did when he actually did have bowel cancer. Thanks for bringing up the past. My dad is 100% cured of his cancer"
Awww...poor BAY-bee!!! Good for your father. Bringing up my own past is that my father died of brain cancer and my mother first had breast cancer which she survived, and 10 yrs later died of spinal cancer, so quit your fucking whining and grow up.
emfederin 3 days ago
@tanner1300
Dare I ask?
Have you used google to educate yourself on speication that has been seen, document and even caused by man?
Or are you afraid of finding out the truth?
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored yes. you're so right, how could I have ever been so ignorant. please show me your ways
tanner1300 2 days ago
@tanner1300
Let me guess you didnt bother to educate yoruself!
After all the more eductaed you are the harder it is to ignore the science that provves the bible false!
So will you prove to me the bible is correct by drinking poison it tells me you can and it wont hurt you.
Rather why wont you?
Its all fun to pretend you are xtian and poretend you believe the buybull until it comes to the crunch, just like your dad didnt believe otherwise why would he avoid heaven!
gorilla199uncensored 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored
"So will you prove to me the bible is correct by drinking poison it tells me you can and it wont hurt you.
Rather why wont you?"~
Perhaps he's not all that convinced he's one of the 144,000.
PaleHearse 2 days ago
@gorilla199uncensored I'm sorry I didn't read your whole response. I find it hard to read someone telling me to educate myself, when they can't even spell "didn't or yourself" correctly.
tanner1300 1 day ago
@tanner1300
LOL sorry I didnt put a ' there!
Good ad hom! LOL FAIL
Im sorry you dont understand the difference between a typo and spelling mistake! LOL
Im sorry you are too retarded to admit your bible is actually a buybull!
But its good to see you wont even try to defend the bible THATS BECAUSE YOU KNOW ITS SHIT!
When a stupid fundie such as yourself doesnt believe the crap in the BUY BULL such as you drinking poision.
WHY DO YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE THAT SHIT? LOL
gorilla199uncensored 1 day ago
@gorilla199uncensored You're so amazing. I wish I was exactly like you. You're the greatest thing that ever happened to YouTube. They should pay you or the things you write.
tanner1300 1 day ago
@tanner1300
You dont even try to claim you believe the crap in the bible!
Let alone prove it by drinking poision.
Be honest for once.
Admit you dont believe the bibles claim its safe for xtians to drink poison :)
gorilla199uncensored 1 day ago
@gorilla199uncensored You're like a psychic. How do you do it? its like you know everything. It's a miracle. I thought only God knew everything. Guess you sir have achieved more than Eisenstein did! You've got to be the smartest man to ever walk the earth.
tanner1300 1 day ago