i think u should rename this TURBO evolution. pretty sure i didnt see one yamaha that was straight out of the factory. a fuckin 4 stroke out of the factory can hardly spin the fuckin track lol
therefore compare stock for stock yes its true yamaha es back I have a summit 800x loll before I had a yamaha apex mountain pi loll I change for several reasons too cumbersome and lack of strength my ski-doo I everything I want with (light power) my stock yamaha was my summit lol I also went with a 21,890 km, I did not even touch the engine (2006)
search:2008 yamaha nytro and 2007 attak playin in some powder
I say 4stroke are sleds gone bad. If you like to get stuck 10m off trail, (not even in real powder, or hillclimb). yea then you got the right sled for you. even 12hp vintage sleds performe better than yamaha sleds in this video. (powder riding)
extra wight and bad stock performance is a bad thing. polaris ruled world championship hillclimb jackson 2008. yamaha was not on any top 5 list in any class. same goes for european snowcross championship 2008. 4strokes sucks!! almost every new sled out there can beat apex fuel economy. 2strokes will never die. 2strokes have all the new technology is this year.. best fuel economy, stock performance, less weight...
hahahahaha. you are funny. rev xp 800cc 153track is about 193kg dry weight. apex mtx is about 263kg dry weight. if sled head got it that wrong they might be on crack that time..
I would run my Pro 5 Watercraft 1200cc polaris Pro-X with a 159" 2 1/2" paddle track...NOS underneath the boss seat...and a Timbersled Mountain Tamer suspension kit against a 4 stroke any day and eat it alive!!! just as it always does...FUCK FOUR STROKES GO TRIPLE'S...big triple's will never die...imagine if you took a 1300cc sled and threw a turbo on it then what???
And now look what Yamaha did with the new 3 cly 4 stroke and same HP and CC. Now even lighter and now more torque at the bottom, with no need to rev to get moving.
there is nothing like the yammies! 2 stroke or 4 stroke the most raw power you can find and the most dependable you will ever find! bring it on ski-doo/arctic crap/and polaris!
Ask an honest Evinrude techs about E-tec. Hasn't Doo stopped using E-TEC and gone back to carbs on some models? Some of you are right 4s are heavier, So what, from what I hear real men can handle a little extra weight.
Ride one, I dare you, thats all it took to convince me. 3 years now same belt, same plugs, nothing broke (the same can't be said about any of the 2s I ride with now). I don't ever want one of those oil burners again.
True That. I have the 03 RX1 w/rev, and I don't give a fk if everything else out there is faster. I'm getting there and back vs the few, like buddy coming into cabin from walking back across the lake, "What? I blew it up again' and I just said bring a tow strap before you go.
2 more Rx1's are in purchase mode.
What can sound more kick azz than my road racing R1' in a sled. I just unboxed set of dual blade Simmons $450, waiting to be mounted.
all have 4stroke sleds. nytro/phazer is not good race sleds. almost nobody race there heavy sleds in snowcross... they don`t win shit vs other sleds.. they only won the turing class of 24/7 snowmobile of the year 2009 review. polaris, ski doo and arctic cat ruled... ski doo have the lightest big 4stroke.. 1200cc.. arctic cat have the fastest produstion sled. z1 turbo, 177hp.. yamaha are best for drag race..
you wish. e-tec rules in 2009.. no stock sled weighs less and have more stock hp with good fuel/oil economy. e-tec have beaten 4stroke on outboard boat engines. snowmobiles are next out... peopel I know are going from 4stroke to 2stroke e-tec this year...
every 4 stoke man can challenge me on a trail I can have a coffee break before you arrive to the finish line. on trail power is useless if you don't have good suspension and empty head
I totally disagree. 2 strokes own 4 strokes unless if they have a turbo. Also they are showing professional riders on 4 strokes and noobie on 2 strokes. 2 strokes are wat better and pissis me off because thay don't show an aactual comparison but a cheap vid. =(
how come chirs brant is the best sledder in the world an he drive 2 stroke ? i think the only 4 strokes that can make it up those hills are the turbos
Oh. and if yamaha can make a four stroke that weighs less than 490 lbs. dry weight i will be amazed. and if they have already then congrats but still they do not have the high rpms unlike 2 strokes
eee ok wtf?I drive a 2-stroke for fifteen years and I decided to change last year to try a four-stroke and it broke after 1500 km ??? I never broke a 2 stroke of my life but the 4 stroke broke ? it was supposed to be more fuel efficient but fuck off I buy another 2 stroke bomb... and 4 stroke are pieces of shit they will maybe replace them by the new 2 stroke hpdi ahah !
well if you look at every other sector. outboards, dirtbikes, quads, scooters, have all gone to 4-strokes. Yamaha, Polaris, and Arctic Cat all make the 4's. Heard rumors that the big 2 company (Ski-doo) even plans to build one. So enjoy your last few years with your 2 strokes. Blame it on the "green heads" for your untimate demise. long live 4 strokes!
Anything BUT Yamaha sucks, and you 2stroke lovers are a bunch of retards. How many 4stroke lovers are posting comments on 2stroke videos? Losers, the lot of you.
All i got to say is , dirtbikes , 4 stroke own, but id rather a 2 stroke sled , the fourstrokes are ok in the mountains probally, and if u want to dish out 5 grand into a turbo , u could do the same with a 2 stroke.
ok all you sled freaks.....it's true that after throwing 5 grand into a turbo u can get a more hp than a 2 smoke, but I would love to see you 4 strokers boondock in the trees where there is no big long wide open straight run. yes I love the 4 stroke but I can do more with my 2 stroke than a 4....just my 2 cents
well its proven that you can get more hp from a 2 stroke than a 4, and most of those four strokes in this gay film have turbos. the only reason four strokes are being made is to meet emission standards, not because they supposedly have more hp.
Haha ya four strokes are a joke! Lets run a 100cc 4stroke vs a 700cc 2stroke! Is that fair? NO!! Whats funny is that the 2 stroke still kicks the 4strokes ass! Show video of a 4stroke in deep powder! Ya thats right cuz all they do is get stuck in the powder cuz they are 100 pounds heavier! Ive seen some very serious power out of a 2 Stroke turbo with nitrous. And I know for a fact that those 2 strokes would DOMINATE any 4 JOKE!
the onley reson four strokes dond flip is because their so fricing so hevey a rev xp would kick one of thoes peces of frikin shit's ass and then do it again
4-strokes are everything but ineficient, granted they did make 2-strokes look worse than they really are, 4-strokes can go much longer w/out maintinence, and are a lot cheaper to ride in the long run, and they aren't much heavier than 2-strokes any more. and while u are rebuilding your engine after it melts down or blows up i will be riding my apex in deep idaho powder.
I ride with modded 2-strokes and 4-strokes and I have never seen one blow up but I have seen 8, thats right 8, tubo mod 4-strokes blow up and get totaled rolling back down the hill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Make a trip over to baker and I'll meet you there. Always looking for new people to ride with.
i wasn't really talking about modded sleds, cause the people i ride with dont turbo thier sleds, all i've done to my sled is change the pipes and seat.
last year me and 3 of my buddies went riding cause we had just gotten 3 feet of pow. they were all riding 2-strokes, 1 melted down, 1 blew up, and the other hit a tree coming down a hill and ripped and a arm off. we spent the night in a warming hut that we were nearby, until search and rescue found us. ahhh...2-stroke reliabilty
Sounds like operator error. Alot of the stock 4-strokes I rode with had problems with thier clutches and had to be hauled off the mountian because they snapped 1 of the bolts securing it to the bottom end. The 2's had problems with carbs which might be why they blew up. As for the one that hit a tree well you tell me if the sled steered to the tree.
nah the one that hit the tree was just kind of a moron, and that might be why the 2's had problems, i wasn't worried about it cause it wasn't mine. i've never heard about orhad problems w/ my clutch, bolts or otherwise.
Thats good. People who mod sleds have problems with being idiots about clutches and carbs so if you are stock or near stock your fine. Remember stock SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
whatever u say man, stock or otherwise i can outclimb any of my freinds anyday of the week which i'm perfectly happy with. BTW what do u ride? u never mentioned that.
I have a modded to the max 2003 RMK 800 151" and a 2008 Polaris Dragon RMK 800 on the way and my dad just bought an M1000 that will be sporting a boondocker stage 3 turbo which is rated for 300+ HP.
those r all pretty sweet. i don't really care much for the m 1000, cause we usually have to ride a few miles on a rough trail before we can get to the hills unless it has recently snowed alot. i rode a friend of mines who ownes a dealership in orofino, and it was really rough on the trails. i don't know much about the polaris's tho, but they look nice from what i've seen.
the 2-stoke has more power with same amount of mods. A 4-stroke 1000cc 4-cylinder makes 150Hp a 2-stroke 1000cc 2 cylinder makes 165 HP. 2-strokes are 100 lbs lighter give or take 10 lbs. They are less money to fix and you can fix it yourself to save more money. Need I say more?
You get more satifation with "saving the enviorment", what a joke. My 800 has the same if not lower emissions than your 4-stroke. My 800 will spank that apex or RX-1 of yours. I've never changed a plug cause of fouling and oil? That takes 5 min for the 5 sleds so go back and wait at the lodge cause you can't keep up.
Screw you all, Im going hydrogen and I burn no petro. So you all can suck it. 4 strokes only for a little bit. I love 2 strokes and my custom hydrogen sled. So 4 strokes are heavy and innefficient.
yah 500ssrider to bad yamahas don't suck... im gonna laugh when you end up buying a 4-stroke one day im not saying a yamaha but in the next 10 years im betting every OEM will be producing only 4-strokes
yamaha bites balls dude. oh well. though. i'm sorry you have to discrace your self image on one. maybe soon you'll be able to afford a sled that isn't a big, slow, heavy piece of shit. hahaha
ok ill remember that when i have my sled with 30,000 miles on my apex and still have the same engine when you gonna have to spend a shit load on engines all the other parts and you will prolly buy a bunch of cheap as sleds and it will show because an apex has an engine that will last 50,000 miles and you say its slow okay bring your sled to the lake i guarentee ill blow your shit out with my apex
You know, I just finished watching slednecks 10......and guys what.....there were NO yamahas. I wonder why that is???? mabye because they are big peices of lead that can't do anything but hillclimb and lake race but they need a turbo to be good at either. Oh i almost forgot YAMAHAS SUCK!!!
I have to sit there and look at it in the barn. Makes me mad that I can't ride it. We just sold a 2003 600 H.O. X model today. Hard sled to watch go. But last year I rode around a 1999 MXZ 600. Which is the same engine the 500ss has. All I could think was I wish I had this in a Rev Chassis. And now I've got it in a Rev Xp.. =] I can't wait till it snows.
nice job on the vid. too bad those four strokes are probably running between 20-25 thousands bucks with all wieght they have to lose and turbos etc. keep up the good work though.
lol 4 strokes have torque and gobs of it and torque is wat gets u up the hill. if u turbo a apex thats about 7 grand well if u put 10 into a 2 stroke it still will not come even close. wait till boondocker comes out with its twin turbo kit (currently in R&D) it is expected to put out over 500 hp lets see a 2 stroke beat that.
four stroke got alot more torque and bottom end power and a stock apex and a stock mxz 800 thay got the same hp... the apex will win in a race and the apex got more bottom end power and torque then the 800
turbo for a 98 xc700 like mine only costs about 3,500. that makes for one SICK sled.. smokes ANY stock 1000cc 2stroke, never seen one paired agenst a turbo apex tho
i have driven both 2 and 4 stroke sleds. when it comes to trail riding and cornering 4-strokes lack handleing with all the added weight. when it comes to hp and getting up the side of a mountain a 4 string is the way to go.
you must have never seen a turbo on a 2 stroke it is crazy super power. I know a guy that had a 1997 summit 670 turbo mod dyotest at 375 hp it was a rocket
Wow, 375hp!!! That's way more than both my Turbo M7 (Garrett 2860) AND my Turbo Apex (Garrett 2871)!!! That thing MUST be a "rocket"...I have an idea - let's run 'em all and post the results...;)
No 4 stroke on this vid would be able to touch a RMK 800 with SLP Twin VES Pipes, Billet Heads, SLP High Flow Air Box Conversion Kit and V-Force Delta Reeds hands down!!!
No way...you get a good rider with a good machine and no 4 stroke will ever touch it. Also it dont got to be an RMK a good summit and rider will do to!
you dont know what you are talking about a stock 1000 4 stroke vs a stock 1000 2 stroke. lets take the new 2008 xp, it is 156 pounds lighter and it has 5 more hp...... yah it will climb way better
OK let's talk mods, but let's also talk riding conditions. Tight trees on steep hills with 4 feet of fresh, I'll take a modded 2 stroke that's much lighter anyday. Steep, open faces or chutes in any kind of conditions I'll take a turbo'd 4 stroke.
A 4-stroke. Where are you guys riding next I want to come out and join you? Does the 2-stroke run NOS and and an areo charger? If so I don't know who would win. 2-stroke has way less wieght but the 4-stoke has what 75-100 HP more running on the motor?
their are advantages to each a 2 stroke engine is a lot lighter because it doesent need the components a 4 stroke engine does you can also mount a 2 stroke engine upside down which helps with displacement in some 2 stroke sleds however a 4 stroke lasts alot longer then a 2 stroke engine and it burns fuel at a much slower rate giving the rider better fuel mileage.
a 2 stroke sled would beat a 4 stroke sled in the same engine size any day as long as both were stock. a 2 stroke produces much more power then a 4 stroke. a 2 stoke engine produces its power stroke every second stroke while a 4 stroke produces its power stroke every...4th stroke.
This vid is a load of BS. 2 strokes will always be lighter than 4 strokes because as they make 4 stokes lighter can do the same to 2 strokes!! And all of those 4 strokes on the vid probabley have turbos or nitrous to even have a hope of keeping up with the 2 strokes. There is no stock 4 stroke in existance today that is a better mountain sled than a stock 2 stroke. I think I've made my point!
Ok guys lets calm down and just face the facts, four strokes will take over and will come down in weight. Just look at what Yamaha did in the motocross industry when they introduced their 4 stroke bikes, everyone laughed and now look what everyone rides, Four strokes. shhhiiii ppppeeaace
Bikes and sleds are way different. They will come down but it still takes 2 times the engine size for a four stroke to make eqaul power as a 2-smoker. I like 4-stroke bikes and I have a YZ250 and I have ridden big bore four strokes mainly a KTM 2004 MXC 450 and they have there ups and downs. With lots of money you can make a 4 have insane power.
SRXTripples is full of BS. A stock Apex 1000 Mtn. has 150 hp as much as my RMK800 and over 60lbs heavier. That is with out fuel in both. I have raced an Apex up the mountian on my old RMK 600 that is piped and clutched and I made it up easy. He was having problems. It took him two trys. 2-strokes all the way baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, as we all see here, 4 strokes are the shit, IF you can afford to pay another 10 grand on top of the sled cost to turbo it, lighten it etc. So, only after that chunk of change do these sleds go from the Titanic to a hovercraft.Funny video though.
a new t-stroke e-tec or sdi engine runs as clean and fuel efficient as a 4 stroke engine, but with less parts and less weight, in the world of snowmobiling the less weight u have the higher + farther you will go, if you don't believe me check out the new rev xp.
haha sorry to break it to you guys, 4 strokes are coming on fast, I dont care what any of you say, the 4 stroke Apex STOCK can kick any mod 2 strokes ass up and down the hill all day. I love 2-strokes to death but 4-strokes are where the power is now.
BS. A stock 1000 apex has 150 hp so that makes it 800 class performance and its 61 1/2 lbs heavier than a stock 1000cc Ski-doo Summit X. Research it. Idiot.
2 strokes would kill a stick phazer or a stock apex the only thing that helps them is when there turboed like if a 2 stroke has nos it would kill a phazer 2 strokes long live life
ok im still callin you a dumb shit if you read my like 2nd comment one of the frst ones for this video a guy pointed out that its the 07 phazer chassis... its the fx nytro rtx that has a 130 hp so shut the hell up
You said the 2008 Phazer has 130 not the fx nytro. Go page 3 of the comments and read what you said. God the world is full of retards these days who listen to anything. Oh if 4-strokes are so great how come not every one has one. This is hill climbing not like the trial riding hill climbs were you live! So long Fuck Face!
Before you put something on the internet make sure its right. I have had a friend tell me that an Apex 1000 is faster than a piped 2-stroke 1000. Plus this is all stupid. Come out to ellensburg washington and come riding in the foothills of the Cascades.
foothills? bwahaha. Lets go riding the gnarliest peaks the cascades have to offer. Mt Baker? Whistler? you name it. I'll take my little Apex 1000 and line it up against ANY 2 stroke 1000.
Your Apex would whoop my sleds as because yours probably has a turbo, NOS and a hole bunch of other stuff. What is Mt. Baker like? Always wanted to go. He said a stock Apex would beat a piped Summit 1000.
who ever made this is a total fucking retard you dumb shits are cuting up 2 strokes because of footage of retards that cant drive all in all the 2s and the 4s are the same its the driver that makes a diference
Those 4s are turboed 1000s=300. Those 2s 200-250 w/ no turbo. And they were making it up the same hills. The wieght of the 4-stroke is 657w/gas. The wieght of a Summit X 2007 is 597lbs- same as the dry wieght of the yami with the same engine size and and track length. By the way 4s last a lot longer before rebuild but cost like 4g. A 2-stroke. Like 1g. But in the end they come out as exactly the same.A phazer is about 80 says the maker. The Apex puts out 150. The Summit puts out 172stock.
wow you guys sound like broken records... 4 strokes weigh more blah blah blah yah so what they have a genesis engine that will last at least 50,000 miles thats about 5 of the 2-stroke motors and with a 4-stroke you only need an oil change every 5,000 miles etc. i know when i hae enough money im getting a new yamaha phazer with 130hp STOCK!! and its light. i will give it no more than 10 years and all 2-strokes will be out of the picture... GO 4-STROKES!
i think u should rename this TURBO evolution. pretty sure i didnt see one yamaha that was straight out of the factory. a fuckin 4 stroke out of the factory can hardly spin the fuckin track lol
mothbee 5 months ago
notice this is a VIDEO WITH SHITTY RIDERS, NOT SHITTY SLEDS, FUCK 4 STROKES
katskratchkustumz 1 year ago
One word Yamahahahaha it's not the 2 stroke's bad it's just bad drivers
sLoWnecks 1 year ago
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fettdritt 2 years ago
therefore compare stock for stock yes its true yamaha es back I have a summit 800x loll before I had a yamaha apex mountain pi loll I change for several reasons too cumbersome and lack of strength my ski-doo I everything I want with (light power) my stock yamaha was my summit lol I also went with a 21,890 km, I did not even touch the engine (2006)
leloup88 2 years ago
search:2008 yamaha nytro and 2007 attak playin in some powder
I say 4stroke are sleds gone bad. If you like to get stuck 10m off trail, (not even in real powder, or hillclimb). yea then you got the right sled for you. even 12hp vintage sleds performe better than yamaha sleds in this video. (powder riding)
vectraB97 3 years ago
extra wight and bad stock performance is a bad thing. polaris ruled world championship hillclimb jackson 2008. yamaha was not on any top 5 list in any class. same goes for european snowcross championship 2008. 4strokes sucks!! almost every new sled out there can beat apex fuel economy. 2strokes will never die. 2strokes have all the new technology is this year.. best fuel economy, stock performance, less weight...
vectraB97 3 years ago
the apex is actually lighter than the rev
its on sledhead 24/7
03blasteryfs 3 years ago
hahahahaha. you are funny. rev xp 800cc 153track is about 193kg dry weight. apex mtx is about 263kg dry weight. if sled head got it that wrong they might be on crack that time..
vectraB97 3 years ago
I did a fast check. rev xp summit x 800 are 444lb.
apex mtx is 608lb. lol!!! so dont even try to talk more crap....
vectraB97 3 years ago
I would run my Pro 5 Watercraft 1200cc polaris Pro-X with a 159" 2 1/2" paddle track...NOS underneath the boss seat...and a Timbersled Mountain Tamer suspension kit against a 4 stroke any day and eat it alive!!! just as it always does...FUCK FOUR STROKES GO TRIPLE'S...big triple's will never die...imagine if you took a 1300cc sled and threw a turbo on it then what???
coreyclemm27 3 years ago
And now look what Yamaha did with the new 3 cly 4 stroke and same HP and CC. Now even lighter and now more torque at the bottom, with no need to rev to get moving.
So you could be right, Go Triples'.
Philscbx 3 years ago
there is nothing like the yammies! 2 stroke or 4 stroke the most raw power you can find and the most dependable you will ever find! bring it on ski-doo/arctic crap/and polaris!
rmk700 3 years ago
This is gay 2 strokes will never die I got a F5 Firecat SnoPro and that baby cooks !!!!
I Might be upgrading thought this year to a Crossfire R 8
FoxRacing85 3 years ago
they will, just like they did in cars. bikes. planes and boats. allmost evryting with an engine in it
thorzo90 3 years ago
Ask an honest Evinrude techs about E-tec. Hasn't Doo stopped using E-TEC and gone back to carbs on some models? Some of you are right 4s are heavier, So what, from what I hear real men can handle a little extra weight.
Ride one, I dare you, thats all it took to convince me. 3 years now same belt, same plugs, nothing broke (the same can't be said about any of the 2s I ride with now). I don't ever want one of those oil burners again.
If the greenies have a say in it 2S are history.
James6874 3 years ago
True That. I have the 03 RX1 w/rev, and I don't give a fk if everything else out there is faster. I'm getting there and back vs the few, like buddy coming into cabin from walking back across the lake, "What? I blew it up again' and I just said bring a tow strap before you go.
2 more Rx1's are in purchase mode.
What can sound more kick azz than my road racing R1' in a sled. I just unboxed set of dual blade Simmons $450, waiting to be mounted.
Dam i love it, no more gagging smoke everywhere.
Philscbx 3 years ago
search:Evinrude E-TEC Sinks Yamaha 4-Stroke
Look what e-tec outboard boat engine does to a 4stroke with same hp.. lol!!!
yamaha snowmobiles are next!!!
vectraB97 3 years ago
its KK bout the driver, plus yamaha is the heviest sled on the market!!
honda400exdude 3 years ago
is yamaha only one sled? idiot...
ur wrong also.. for example the phazer doesnt weigh more than a 2stroke
nggaplx 3 years ago
what sled manufacture besides yamaha makes a 4 stoke mountain or race sled
kdieken27 3 years ago
all have 4stroke sleds. nytro/phazer is not good race sleds. almost nobody race there heavy sleds in snowcross... they don`t win shit vs other sleds.. they only won the turing class of 24/7 snowmobile of the year 2009 review. polaris, ski doo and arctic cat ruled... ski doo have the lightest big 4stroke.. 1200cc.. arctic cat have the fastest produstion sled. z1 turbo, 177hp.. yamaha are best for drag race..
vectraB97 3 years ago
i got a turbo phazer and my dads got a urboapex.... i just ordered a 09 xp an spring. so this wintet we will see what is better
89yfz89 3 years ago
excuse me, they AREN'T going to go extinct.
Freeride600 3 years ago
Why don't you show an actual COMPARISON rather then professionals vs. newbies on 15 year-old sleds?
Sorry, but 2-strokes are gonna go extinct.
Freeride600 3 years ago
you wish. e-tec rules in 2009.. no stock sled weighs less and have more stock hp with good fuel/oil economy. e-tec have beaten 4stroke on outboard boat engines. snowmobiles are next out... peopel I know are going from 4stroke to 2stroke e-tec this year...
vectraB97 3 years ago
e-tec stupid!!! 2stroke is the new ruler in 2009. best: weight, stock hp, fuel/oil economy. no need for 4stroke if your not a turbo junkie..
vectraB97 3 years ago
Ya have to admit it's a cool flick and funny as well.
Philscbx 3 years ago
yamaha's can't do crap without a turbo. when stock there crap!! and all the yammis in this vid are turboed!
500ssrider22 3 years ago
4-strokes arent worth a shit unless u spend and extra 5000-7000$ on a turbo
derek169 3 years ago 2
where did you guys go snowmobiling
giveherheck550 4 years ago
every 4 stoke man can challenge me on a trail I can have a coffee break before you arrive to the finish line. on trail power is useless if you don't have good suspension and empty head
Liippola 4 years ago
I didn't see any trails in this video...
LOL..
fordcougar99 4 years ago
There is lot more to do with sleds than hillclimbing and when you must be able to turn fast 4-strokes are like whales
Liippola 4 years ago
Lippola... just a whole lotta lip coming from you..
fordcougar99 4 years ago
because I'm from finland :D this is usual in here
Liippola 4 years ago
I totally disagree. 2 strokes own 4 strokes unless if they have a turbo. Also they are showing professional riders on 4 strokes and noobie on 2 strokes. 2 strokes are wat better and pissis me off because thay don't show an aactual comparison but a cheap vid. =(
MarzRider 4 years ago
how come chirs brant is the best sledder in the world an he drive 2 stroke ? i think the only 4 strokes that can make it up those hills are the turbos
michaud888 4 years ago
Oh. and if yamaha can make a four stroke that weighs less than 490 lbs. dry weight i will be amazed. and if they have already then congrats but still they do not have the high rpms unlike 2 strokes
mactrk1503 4 years ago
Check google or the machines we built 30 years ago.
Honda 4 strokes can reach 22,500 rpm.
Not possible on 2 Stroke.
Philscbx 3 years ago
Best sled on the market handsdown the Arctic Cat M1000. Lets see two mods. Change the chip and upgrade to a better pipe and u get 220 hp. easy.
mactrk1503 4 years ago
song name??
Karoliin4 4 years ago
Well then stick to your 2stroke videos, and keep your comments to yourself on these.
rfabro 4 years ago
eee ok wtf?I drive a 2-stroke for fifteen years and I decided to change last year to try a four-stroke and it broke after 1500 km ??? I never broke a 2 stroke of my life but the 4 stroke broke ? it was supposed to be more fuel efficient but fuck off I buy another 2 stroke bomb... and 4 stroke are pieces of shit they will maybe replace them by the new 2 stroke hpdi ahah !
macbookbnr32 4 years ago
as we can see here maybe the driver is in cause for the accidents
not the 2 strokes motors
slashthehot 4 years ago
well if you look at every other sector. outboards, dirtbikes, quads, scooters, have all gone to 4-strokes. Yamaha, Polaris, and Arctic Cat all make the 4's. Heard rumors that the big 2 company (Ski-doo) even plans to build one. So enjoy your last few years with your 2 strokes. Blame it on the "green heads" for your untimate demise. long live 4 strokes!
kodman70 4 years ago
if the sled performs how u want it too who gives a shit if somebody else says it sucks?!?! let them say that all they want...
sledking10 4 years ago
Anything BUT Yamaha sucks, and you 2stroke lovers are a bunch of retards. How many 4stroke lovers are posting comments on 2stroke videos? Losers, the lot of you.
rfabro 4 years ago
SKI-DOO TABARNAK
slashthehot 4 years ago
This is fuckin retarded...
Yamahas is good at climbing and trailridin, but useless if you want to play and have some real fun...4 stroke bullshit!!!
Bajerman 4 years ago
mabye 2years ago but yamahas light wight 4stroke series in 2007/2008 proved difrent
thorzo90 4 years ago
i can go higher then that on my bravo 250
devhis 4 years ago
All i got to say is , dirtbikes , 4 stroke own, but id rather a 2 stroke sled , the fourstrokes are ok in the mountains probally, and if u want to dish out 5 grand into a turbo , u could do the same with a 2 stroke.
paulnorman709 4 years ago
fuck the 4's
mxzsled 4 years ago
ok all you sled freaks.....it's true that after throwing 5 grand into a turbo u can get a more hp than a 2 smoke, but I would love to see you 4 strokers boondock in the trees where there is no big long wide open straight run. yes I love the 4 stroke but I can do more with my 2 stroke than a 4....just my 2 cents
laurablue0927 4 years ago
try getting low end torque out of a 2stroke... hah
drewfus04 4 years ago
I love this clip, but I still will drive my TWO STROKE Polaris RMK Vertical Escape !
i0n3xx 4 years ago
your homo as ski doo motor don't last long eh eh eh.
qapsukalek 4 years ago
this movie sucks!!!!
its not fair they juse turbo
mxz 380 would climb better!!!!
tullvika 4 years ago
well its proven that you can get more hp from a 2 stroke than a 4, and most of those four strokes in this gay film have turbos. the only reason four strokes are being made is to meet emission standards, not because they supposedly have more hp.
snox90snox 4 years ago
Haha ya four strokes are a joke! Lets run a 100cc 4stroke vs a 700cc 2stroke! Is that fair? NO!! Whats funny is that the 2 stroke still kicks the 4strokes ass! Show video of a 4stroke in deep powder! Ya thats right cuz all they do is get stuck in the powder cuz they are 100 pounds heavier! Ive seen some very serious power out of a 2 Stroke turbo with nitrous. And I know for a fact that those 2 strokes would DOMINATE any 4 JOKE!
chiefjarekopheikens 4 years ago
the onley reson four strokes dond flip is because their so fricing so hevey a rev xp would kick one of thoes peces of frikin shit's ass and then do it again
wyaluke 4 years ago
ya and four strokes sond like shit any way
wyaluke 4 years ago
LOL i love how they try to show some of the 2 stoke fail but a fucking 4 stroke will do the same to.......there not that fucking great. PERIOD
unmatched123 4 years ago
this shit is a joke! fuckin clowns
suzuki450ryda 4 years ago
4-strokes are everything but ineficient, granted they did make 2-strokes look worse than they really are, 4-strokes can go much longer w/out maintinence, and are a lot cheaper to ride in the long run, and they aren't much heavier than 2-strokes any more. and while u are rebuilding your engine after it melts down or blows up i will be riding my apex in deep idaho powder.
yamiman223 4 years ago
I ride with modded 2-strokes and 4-strokes and I have never seen one blow up but I have seen 8, thats right 8, tubo mod 4-strokes blow up and get totaled rolling back down the hill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Make a trip over to baker and I'll meet you there. Always looking for new people to ride with.
bajajunkie 4 years ago
i wasn't really talking about modded sleds, cause the people i ride with dont turbo thier sleds, all i've done to my sled is change the pipes and seat.
yamiman223 4 years ago
last year me and 3 of my buddies went riding cause we had just gotten 3 feet of pow. they were all riding 2-strokes, 1 melted down, 1 blew up, and the other hit a tree coming down a hill and ripped and a arm off. we spent the night in a warming hut that we were nearby, until search and rescue found us. ahhh...2-stroke reliabilty
yamiman223 4 years ago
Sounds like operator error. Alot of the stock 4-strokes I rode with had problems with thier clutches and had to be hauled off the mountian because they snapped 1 of the bolts securing it to the bottom end. The 2's had problems with carbs which might be why they blew up. As for the one that hit a tree well you tell me if the sled steered to the tree.
bajajunkie 4 years ago
nah the one that hit the tree was just kind of a moron, and that might be why the 2's had problems, i wasn't worried about it cause it wasn't mine. i've never heard about orhad problems w/ my clutch, bolts or otherwise.
yamiman223 4 years ago
Thats good. People who mod sleds have problems with being idiots about clutches and carbs so if you are stock or near stock your fine. Remember stock SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
bajajunkie 4 years ago
whatever u say man, stock or otherwise i can outclimb any of my freinds anyday of the week which i'm perfectly happy with. BTW what do u ride? u never mentioned that.
yamiman223 4 years ago
I have a modded to the max 2003 RMK 800 151" and a 2008 Polaris Dragon RMK 800 on the way and my dad just bought an M1000 that will be sporting a boondocker stage 3 turbo which is rated for 300+ HP.
bajajunkie 4 years ago
those r all pretty sweet. i don't really care much for the m 1000, cause we usually have to ride a few miles on a rough trail before we can get to the hills unless it has recently snowed alot. i rode a friend of mines who ownes a dealership in orofino, and it was really rough on the trails. i don't know much about the polaris's tho, but they look nice from what i've seen.
yamiman223 4 years ago
all you 2stroke fanatics....tell me how 2stroke is better than 4strokes.
thorzo90 4 years ago
the 2-stoke has more power with same amount of mods. A 4-stroke 1000cc 4-cylinder makes 150Hp a 2-stroke 1000cc 2 cylinder makes 165 HP. 2-strokes are 100 lbs lighter give or take 10 lbs. They are less money to fix and you can fix it yourself to save more money. Need I say more?
bajajunkie 4 years ago
When I compared the 1000cc's those are stock figures provided by manufactuers
bajajunkie 4 years ago
no...its easyer to get power out of 2s but u get more out off 4s.
go and change some plugs and fill some oil 2stroke suckers
thorzo90 4 years ago
You get more satifation with "saving the enviorment", what a joke. My 800 has the same if not lower emissions than your 4-stroke. My 800 will spank that apex or RX-1 of yours. I've never changed a plug cause of fouling and oil? That takes 5 min for the 5 sleds so go back and wait at the lodge cause you can't keep up.
bajajunkie 4 years ago
this is lame, 2 strokes own
sexybabyboy69 4 years ago
Screw you all, Im going hydrogen and I burn no petro. So you all can suck it. 4 strokes only for a little bit. I love 2 strokes and my custom hydrogen sled. So 4 strokes are heavy and innefficient.
kregto 4 years ago
yah 500ssrider to bad yamahas don't suck... im gonna laugh when you end up buying a 4-stroke one day im not saying a yamaha but in the next 10 years im betting every OEM will be producing only 4-strokes
vmaxrider600 4 years ago
yamaha bites balls dude. oh well. though. i'm sorry you have to discrace your self image on one. maybe soon you'll be able to afford a sled that isn't a big, slow, heavy piece of shit. hahaha
YugSoth 4 years ago 2
ok ill remember that when i have my sled with 30,000 miles on my apex and still have the same engine when you gonna have to spend a shit load on engines all the other parts and you will prolly buy a bunch of cheap as sleds and it will show because an apex has an engine that will last 50,000 miles and you say its slow okay bring your sled to the lake i guarentee ill blow your shit out with my apex
vmaxrider600 4 years ago
that was awesome but I'm afraid of heights lol
wikkidme 4 years ago
4 strokes have it in top end sure, but throw it against a Rev or another 2 stroke on a trail and it gets smoked.
thatssplendid 4 years ago
You know, I just finished watching slednecks 10......and guys what.....there were NO yamahas. I wonder why that is???? mabye because they are big peices of lead that can't do anything but hillclimb and lake race but they need a turbo to be good at either. Oh i almost forgot YAMAHAS SUCK!!!
500ssrider 4 years ago
yea yea yea good job wat do u ride polaris,skidoo or a cat?
qazaq121222 4 years ago
well my name is 500ssrider so i think you can figure it out
500ssrider 4 years ago
Haha. Slednecks 10 was good. 263.5 feet ramp to ramp. thats almost a football field. I've got a 500ss in a Rev XP. Haven't gotten to ride it yet.
thatssplendid 4 years ago
That new TNT is sweeeet!! Your gonna love that sled!
500ssrider 4 years ago
I have to sit there and look at it in the barn. Makes me mad that I can't ride it. We just sold a 2003 600 H.O. X model today. Hard sled to watch go. But last year I rode around a 1999 MXZ 600. Which is the same engine the 500ss has. All I could think was I wish I had this in a Rev Chassis. And now I've got it in a Rev Xp.. =] I can't wait till it snows.
thatssplendid 4 years ago
nice job on the vid. too bad those four strokes are probably running between 20-25 thousands bucks with all wieght they have to lose and turbos etc. keep up the good work though.
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treeweasel008 4 years ago
fagget!
GTAtrailers1 4 years ago
2 stroke is more powerfull!!!
for example Yamaha rx1 4-cyl 1000cc 150 hp
Ski-doo 2-cyl 2 stroke 1000cc 165 hp half the cylinders and still more power!!!
hassethorsson 4 years ago
lol 4 strokes have torque and gobs of it and torque is wat gets u up the hill. if u turbo a apex thats about 7 grand well if u put 10 into a 2 stroke it still will not come even close. wait till boondocker comes out with its twin turbo kit (currently in R&D) it is expected to put out over 500 hp lets see a 2 stroke beat that.
Revkevinphazerspen 4 years ago
Stupid fuckhead!!! A standard 2 stroke IS more powerfull!!!
hassethorsson 4 years ago
four stroke got alot more torque and bottom end power and a stock apex and a stock mxz 800 thay got the same hp... the apex will win in a race and the apex got more bottom end power and torque then the 800
yzman321 4 years ago
turbo for a 98 xc700 like mine only costs about 3,500. that makes for one SICK sled.. smokes ANY stock 1000cc 2stroke, never seen one paired agenst a turbo apex tho
crdude2 4 years ago
Its actually raw top end that gets you up. Nitrous is the 2-stokes version of turbos. Check out "Rated R" A 750 HP Artic Cat 2-STROKE
bajajunkie 4 years ago
i have driven both 2 and 4 stroke sleds. when it comes to trail riding and cornering 4-strokes lack handleing with all the added weight. when it comes to hp and getting up the side of a mountain a 4 string is the way to go.
JCThumbs 4 years ago
hahaha, fuckin dumb flat landers
nothinbutpremo420 4 years ago
I know a guy that has a bridge for sale.
devilrmk 4 years ago
I'm selling it cheap! :)
petey800 4 years ago
You mean 37.5HP
devilrmk 4 years ago
you must have never seen a turbo on a 2 stroke it is crazy super power. I know a guy that had a 1997 summit 670 turbo mod dyotest at 375 hp it was a rocket
mxzX440dvx400 4 years ago
Hahaha, that's funny. Give me more examples of 2 stroke turbo dominance. BWAHAHAHA, you're killin me here. LMAO
509Films 4 years ago
He's seen a turbo 2 stroke, and his Apex will still smoke them. But not my 500 fanner, nothing can smoke that one.LOL
devilrmk 4 years ago
Wow, 375hp!!! That's way more than both my Turbo M7 (Garrett 2860) AND my Turbo Apex (Garrett 2871)!!! That thing MUST be a "rocket"...I have an idea - let's run 'em all and post the results...;)
petey800 4 years ago
you know you can put a turbo on a 2 stroke and make way more power any a 4 stroke with a turbo
mxzX440dvx400 4 years ago
HAHHAHAHAHAHA, you just proved your ignorance. Thank you, you made my day. LOL
509Films 4 years ago
but thay will blow apart
yzman321 4 years ago
4 strokes suck balls
mxzX440dvx400 4 years ago
Four stroke sleds BLOW
ZachFlatau 4 years ago
4 strokes have power but their still led sleds
chr420187 4 years ago
wtf i cant ride a 4 stroke thay are like way to hevey slow as hell and with a good rider on a 2 stroke u can kick a 4 strokes ass
kade4321 4 years ago
you must of been riding bomb's shitty ass four stroke
yzman321 4 years ago
No 4 stroke on this vid would be able to touch a RMK 800 with SLP Twin VES Pipes, Billet Heads, SLP High Flow Air Box Conversion Kit and V-Force Delta Reeds hands down!!!
PolarisTurbo 4 years ago
...And also most inportant a good sledder!!!
PolarisTurbo 4 years ago
Dude I hope you are joking....for your own sake. haha
509Films 4 years ago
No way...you get a good rider with a good machine and no 4 stroke will ever touch it. Also it dont got to be an RMK a good summit and rider will do to!
PolarisTurbo 4 years ago
you dont know what you are talking about a stock 1000 4 stroke vs a stock 1000 2 stroke. lets take the new 2008 xp, it is 156 pounds lighter and it has 5 more hp...... yah it will climb way better
mxzX440dvx400 4 years ago
Stocks no fun. Lets talk mods, who will win a mod 2 stroke or 4 stroke turbo??
509Films 4 years ago
OK let's talk mods, but let's also talk riding conditions. Tight trees on steep hills with 4 feet of fresh, I'll take a modded 2 stroke that's much lighter anyday. Steep, open faces or chutes in any kind of conditions I'll take a turbo'd 4 stroke.
shanenbarb 4 years ago
A 4-stroke. Where are you guys riding next I want to come out and join you? Does the 2-stroke run NOS and and an areo charger? If so I don't know who would win. 2-stroke has way less wieght but the 4-stoke has what 75-100 HP more running on the motor?
bajajunkie 4 years ago
"No 4 stroke on this vid" implies 4-stroke turbos...
petey800 4 years ago
their are advantages to each a 2 stroke engine is a lot lighter because it doesent need the components a 4 stroke engine does you can also mount a 2 stroke engine upside down which helps with displacement in some 2 stroke sleds however a 4 stroke lasts alot longer then a 2 stroke engine and it burns fuel at a much slower rate giving the rider better fuel mileage.
TML931728 4 years ago
a 2 stroke sled would beat a 4 stroke sled in the same engine size any day as long as both were stock. a 2 stroke produces much more power then a 4 stroke. a 2 stoke engine produces its power stroke every second stroke while a 4 stroke produces its power stroke every...4th stroke.
TML931728 4 years ago
winning an argument on the internet is like winning first place in the special olympics. you may have won but your still retarded
sledingtacoma 4 years ago
Dam Funny & True
Philscbx 3 years ago
Yamaha 4-strokes rule. Keep these 2-stroke guys bitching Tom.
Jim
BlgsRX1mtn 4 years ago
This vid is a load of BS. 2 strokes will always be lighter than 4 strokes because as they make 4 stokes lighter can do the same to 2 strokes!! And all of those 4 strokes on the vid probabley have turbos or nitrous to even have a hope of keeping up with the 2 strokes. There is no stock 4 stroke in existance today that is a better mountain sled than a stock 2 stroke. I think I've made my point!
500ssrider 4 years ago
Ok guys lets calm down and just face the facts, four strokes will take over and will come down in weight. Just look at what Yamaha did in the motocross industry when they introduced their 4 stroke bikes, everyone laughed and now look what everyone rides, Four strokes. shhhiiii ppppeeaace
crazytaco2102 4 years ago
Bikes and sleds are way different. They will come down but it still takes 2 times the engine size for a four stroke to make eqaul power as a 2-smoker. I like 4-stroke bikes and I have a YZ250 and I have ridden big bore four strokes mainly a KTM 2004 MXC 450 and they have there ups and downs. With lots of money you can make a 4 have insane power.
bajajunkie 4 years ago
SRXTripples is full of BS. A stock Apex 1000 Mtn. has 150 hp as much as my RMK800 and over 60lbs heavier. That is with out fuel in both. I have raced an Apex up the mountian on my old RMK 600 that is piped and clutched and I made it up easy. He was having problems. It took him two trys. 2-strokes all the way baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bajajunkie 4 years ago
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509Films 4 years ago
Yeah, as we all see here, 4 strokes are the shit, IF you can afford to pay another 10 grand on top of the sled cost to turbo it, lighten it etc. So, only after that chunk of change do these sleds go from the Titanic to a hovercraft.Funny video though.
RynoH88 4 years ago
a new t-stroke e-tec or sdi engine runs as clean and fuel efficient as a 4 stroke engine, but with less parts and less weight, in the world of snowmobiling the less weight u have the higher + farther you will go, if you don't believe me check out the new rev xp.
Lucrestyle 4 years ago
it's Papa roach-Last resort
et250 4 years ago
what the name of that song that playin when the 4 stroks start
briancollins6969 4 years ago
haha sorry to break it to you guys, 4 strokes are coming on fast, I dont care what any of you say, the 4 stroke Apex STOCK can kick any mod 2 strokes ass up and down the hill all day. I love 2-strokes to death but 4-strokes are where the power is now.
SRXTripples 4 years ago
BS. A stock 1000 apex has 150 hp so that makes it 800 class performance and its 61 1/2 lbs heavier than a stock 1000cc Ski-doo Summit X. Research it. Idiot.
bajajunkie 4 years ago
nice vid
but i think the best skidoo ever is the Skandic SUV 600^^
Ho0li4n 4 years ago
2 strokes would kill a stick phazer or a stock apex the only thing that helps them is when there turboed like if a 2 stroke has nos it would kill a phazer 2 strokes long live life
yamaha4evrohya 4 years ago
I love the sound and the grunt power of a 4 stroke but i still think a 2 stroke would kill a 4 stroke when it comes to sleds
jokoboy 4 years ago
Ya wanna bet your your life savings on that?
509Films 4 years ago
Ya sure lol which is nothing so i got nothing to lose
jokoboy 4 years ago
rock on 2 strokes !!!!!!!! 2 strokes for ever!!!!!!!
polaris800rmkstinger 4 years ago
the only thing i like about 2-strokes is the smell
yamaharules163 4 years ago
yah my bad its the phazer chassis
vmaxrider600 4 years ago
i like 2 strokes <cheaper=better>
RevX05 5 years ago
whats the song at 2:16?
RCrider07 5 years ago
hey bajajunkie... 2008 phazer has 130 hp
vmaxrider600 5 years ago
your full of crap the yamaha website says 80 hp you idiot.
bajajunkie 4 years ago
im the idiot try the 08 line up dumb shit
vmaxrider600 4 years ago
Hey fuck face go to yamaha-motor Yamaha's official website and then call me a dumb shit.
bajajunkie 4 years ago
ok im still callin you a dumb shit if you read my like 2nd comment one of the frst ones for this video a guy pointed out that its the 07 phazer chassis... its the fx nytro rtx that has a 130 hp so shut the hell up
vmaxrider600 4 years ago
You said the 2008 Phazer has 130 not the fx nytro. Go page 3 of the comments and read what you said. God the world is full of retards these days who listen to anything. Oh if 4-strokes are so great how come not every one has one. This is hill climbing not like the trial riding hill climbs were you live! So long Fuck Face!
bajajunkie 4 years ago
yaaahh i just told you sometold me it was the phazer chassis so ur the fuck face god you can't read FOR SHIT!!
vmaxrider600 4 years ago
Before you put something on the internet make sure its right. I have had a friend tell me that an Apex 1000 is faster than a piped 2-stroke 1000. Plus this is all stupid. Come out to ellensburg washington and come riding in the foothills of the Cascades.
bajajunkie 4 years ago
foothills? bwahaha. Lets go riding the gnarliest peaks the cascades have to offer. Mt Baker? Whistler? you name it. I'll take my little Apex 1000 and line it up against ANY 2 stroke 1000.
509Films 4 years ago
Your Apex would whoop my sleds as because yours probably has a turbo, NOS and a hole bunch of other stuff. What is Mt. Baker like? Always wanted to go. He said a stock Apex would beat a piped Summit 1000.
bajajunkie 4 years ago
vmaxrider600: I think you mean the Nytro
thatssplendid 4 years ago
yah i corrected myself
vmaxrider600 4 years ago
who ever made this is a total fucking retard you dumb shits are cuting up 2 strokes because of footage of retards that cant drive all in all the 2s and the 4s are the same its the driver that makes a diference
RCrider07 5 years ago
Those 4s are turboed 1000s=300. Those 2s 200-250 w/ no turbo. And they were making it up the same hills. The wieght of the 4-stroke is 657w/gas. The wieght of a Summit X 2007 is 597lbs- same as the dry wieght of the yami with the same engine size and and track length. By the way 4s last a lot longer before rebuild but cost like 4g. A 2-stroke. Like 1g. But in the end they come out as exactly the same.A phazer is about 80 says the maker. The Apex puts out 150. The Summit puts out 172stock.
bajajunkie 5 years ago
wow you guys sound like broken records... 4 strokes weigh more blah blah blah yah so what they have a genesis engine that will last at least 50,000 miles thats about 5 of the 2-stroke motors and with a 4-stroke you only need an oil change every 5,000 miles etc. i know when i hae enough money im getting a new yamaha phazer with 130hp STOCK!! and its light. i will give it no more than 10 years and all 2-strokes will be out of the picture... GO 4-STROKES!
vmaxrider600 5 years ago
130 stock? thats whit turbo! 80 stock(: well thats the same as the f5 and mxz500 liq
oddsniper 5 years ago
wow you guys are fuckin retarded 2008 phazer has 130 hp STOCK
vmaxrider600 5 years ago
fool vmaxrider??
oddsniper 5 years ago
ya acctualy what your thinking about is the new nitro that looks like a phazer its the new FX chassis!!
RCrider07 4 years ago
it isn't a phazer, it's fx nytro genesis 130 hp stock.
bat0x 4 years ago