Dude. No wonder you're a backyard professor. No reputable university would ever take you. You're better of admitting that Mormons are a sect and that your holy book has no historical backing of any kind but that you are all guided by pure blind faith. You'd all have more respect for that than making these outrageous claims.
O.k. that's great but what happens when the swords hit eachother???? He's saying you can't break them but if two dudes swung at eachother i'm pretty sure that flint is breaking.
The flint edged Mesoamerican club was a serious step back technologically from iron age Israeli weapons. Yes, flint can be very sharp, but it also breaks astonishingly quickly in impact applications. Are you suggesting that Israeli immigrants to the Americas, living in regions with abundant mineral resources, deliberately abandoned technological knowledge that had been painstakingly preserved and refined for generations in mesopotamia?
"LACK OF EVIDENCE" for great cities was probably the #1 biggest criticism of the book of mormon for a long time, until dozens of big ancient cities were discovered....then gold plates, since discovered..... elephants...murals and carvings discovered.......hebrew writings....discovered....chariots....wheels on toys since discovered......baptismal fonts discovered......bearded men on ceramics discovered....and every native culture, even hawaiian say that the bearded white God will return. GROW UP!
Sword can be? but not proven. Indians where viewed as vicious head removing, limb dismembering savages?. Have you gone directly to a tribal member and presented this mormon view?, It would make an interesting video for people who view your clips of what you consider as truth.
I have a simple demand for would-be Mormon apologists: Show one peer reviewed, scholarly work which has been published by a non-Mormon in a non-Mormon publication which lends any credence to the heretofore well disconfirmed historical claims of the Book of Mormon.
Raphael Patai, the Jewish Biblical scholar, "The Children of Noah, Jewish Sea-faring in Ancient Times," Princeton University Press, 1998. The appendix is where Raphael Patai asked the LDS scholar John M. Lundquist to write up concerning the Book of Mormon Jews crossing the ocean as a very pertinent aspect of his data. Patai INVITED Lundquist, and then Princeton published the book.
Another one is Margaret Barker in "The Worlds of Joseph Smith." There's 2 for you.
@TheBackyardProfessor Books do not constitute peer-reviewed research. Anyone can write a book making the unsubstantiated assertions and a publishing house, including Princeton Press, will publish it if they think it might be a profitable endeavor. Re: the LDS claim about Jews in the New World. Show some scholarly articles published in peer-reviewed, non-LDS, respectable journals such as the Annals of Human Genetics or Biometrika which show genetic evidence that Native Americans have origins...
@TheBackyardProfessor ... in the Middle East. That is, that genetic mapping reveals Semitic descent and not Asian descent. Currently, a literature review shows that there is *no* genetic evidence which supports the LDS claim. Rather, the genetic evidence shows, clearly, that the Native Americans are, for all intents and purposes, Asians.
@TheBackyardProfessor Inviting a mormon to write about mormonism is not the same, nor in the same country as a non-mormon, writing anthing that validates the BoM, BE HONEST!!!
A book about Jo Smith Jr by a supposedly non- mormon is also not the thing requested, BE HONEST!!!
The BoM claims of swords, charriots etc are false, in their totality!
@buzzbbird im not mormon. im cherokee, and cant be a mormon because i smoke and drink, but i had a vision and i didnt know what it meant until i read the book of mormon, where lehi saw men holding to an iron rod, which is what i saw. one was lehi, holding a metal ball on a chain, and one was ezekiel holding a scroll and metal plates in one hand. you should learn to bite your tongue until you gain more knowledge, or you may loose the use of it.....be careful....these are sacred things.
@keriscorp Oh MY! Not possible to fide enough fault with that! Yep you drink and had a vision, that proves it. BoM MUST be true because you had a vision.
You shuld just shut up, completely forever! I have done YEARS of study on Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, their heretica, false doctrines and ALL, 100% of the evidence IS in!
@buzzbbird ok...so im a stupid drunk.....no problem.....all i can say is i know what i was shown....thats it....you can believe anything you want...i was just trying to give you some friendly advice from an old man...thats all...and i wish you well on your journey....may the Great Spirit guide your steps....and may all your children prosper....
@keriscorp Um, Yeah, EVERYONE knows about Mastadons and Mammoths, mostly found in the North American and northern Asian Continents, No biggie there.
That info WAS known in Joseph Smith's time! So the Fiction included one particular animal that was in ancient America. It is NOT the animals that might have been there in the claimed time period, it is the claimed animals and plants that were NOT in the Americas, but were brought over by the Europeans that prove its fraudulent beginning!
@buzzbbird Your "research" is like a child playing in poop and examining it.You know very little as I have read much of your attacks on people.You worship the Canaanite god El.Israel's god was El an is often in the OT.If it was not for the whitewashing of the Hebrew Bible, Exodus 6:3 would read as thus and it is a proper name not a general name of god.
" I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as El, but by my name the Yahweh I did not make myself fully known to them."
@Paraconsistant I've asked for ONE example of a sword, city or road foundations, chariot, breastplate, horse bone, compass, writing, etc. The response is ALWAYS, "Mayans drew elephants" or "Incans used silk" (No artifacts of course) As for sources, not the Smithsonian, National Geographic, any museum, university. historian or archaeologist.
The "Professor" is intellectually dishonest. The BOM clearly says Laban's sword was steel & Nephi made many like it. What else can that mean?
@Paraconsistant See that's the problem right there! Even if I had the golden plates right in front of you, I let you handle and looks at the inscriptions.. you would no nothing more then than you do now! And for that reason The Bible AND the Book Of Mormon, you have NO, ZITCH,NADA, NUNCA voice of opinion then that of pure ignorance! READ IT.., I MEAN READ THE SUCKER! I promise you with all my heart you WILL feel different then you do now! Last, Let's come together as Christians! God Bless
Respond to this video... See that's the problem right there! Even if I had the golden plates right in front of you, I let you handle and looks at the inscriptions.. you would no nothing more then than you do now! And for that reason The Bible AND the Book Of Mormon, you have NO, ZITCH,NADA, NUNCA voice of opinion then that of pure ignorance! READ IT.., I MEAN READ THE SUCKER! I promise you with all my heart you WILL feel different then you do now! Last, Let's join as Christians! God Bls
@djdhcp22 A few things to say here. I am *not* a theist. I am familiar with the relevant historical research on the Native American bronze age (and earlier) and it does NOT support ANY claim made in the BoM. That aside, one does not "feel" truth. Truth is the product of our best current methodologies (empirical method, rigorous applications of scientific methods, etc.). Nevertheless, if I were a Muslim I could say, 'Just READ the Koran!' If a Hindu, I could say 'Just READ the Upanishads'.
@djdhcp22 Or if I were of any religious persuasion I could say 'Just READ [enter religious text here] and you will feel different.' Warm and fuzzy feelings do not justify historical claims. Rather, the science of history [archaeology, textual criticism, etc.] does. The point is this: There is NO historical evidence which supports ANY BoM claim. I wish we did have the so-called golden plates! Reformed Egyptian?! Doesn't exist.
Well as much stuff your church claims to have, you'd think there would be more than just a pile of dirt in NY, where's all the bones from this great battle that took place there? where are all the swords and shields and weapons your church founder has told of from this great battle? where are the remnants of buildings? your church has "NOTHING" the land should be litterd with evidence...so far there hasn't been diddly, zip, nada, you have believed in a lie long enough. stop decieving yourself
Well if all this evidence is out there then why hasn't the church come forward and boasted of this ? seems to me that something of this caliber would be stated by your leading prophet! Why hasn't he come out and publicly stated this ? Why hasn't the news/media been buzzing with this... "ANY" and I mean "ANY" Archeological item to back LDS claims would set the news world on FIRE! but you have nothing but wet matches...keep trying!,.. cmon mister quit decieving yourself!
@JSeely218 Yes its evidence, but to be in the NEWS, it needs to be proof that a nephite city was located. With inscriptions, but its really hard because we know so little about the inscriptions dating book of mormon times, and on areas where book of mormon lands are proposed to be. So its not easy to find proof of the Book of mormon. If a single Book of Mormon city were to be comfirmed, faith won't be neccesary anymore my friend, it would be one of the greatest news on Fox News ever!
Our assumptions are not your weak assumption about the vitality of archaeology being used as a crutch for the scriptures. We have a vastly more sure word of prophecy that we, INDEED, ***DO*** tout.
@TheBackyardProfessor Looks like to me that you are being bombarded by the same names i've been dealing with. Their rhetoric of their silly trinitarian spirit God that morphs three ways is completely rediculous. Maybe their god is a schizo, because the silence is deafening.
So, when you're challenged (after presenting a half dozen videos purporting to offer archaeological evidence for Mormonism) to offer a single shred of evidence for the LDS claims about the Americas, you first say "its there, you just don't know about it" and then say "we have our scriptures so we don't need it".
DNA evidence has proven that native Americans do not share common ancestry with people of Semitic background. Joseph Smith's story is demonstrably false.
The Book of Abraham papyri were thought lost in the 1871 Great Chicago Fire. However, in 1966 several fragments of the papyri were found in the Museum of Art in New York, and in the LDS church archives. Upon examination by professional Egyptologists, the papyri were found to be common Egyptian funerary texts, dating to about the first century BC, and not a story of Abraham as Joseph Smith claimed.
The Bible is true, but the book of Mormon is not. See:
Joseph Smith included WAY too many details for apologetics to clean up: elephants, horses, children of Israel and their accompanying DNA, STEEL swords, specific coinage, and the big battle in which ALL of the Nephites were killed, hundreds of thousands of them! Those are just a handful that spring to mind. Come out of the cave. You've been watching shadow theatre.
@BelgianBicyclist It's so wonderful to see the plethora of evidence to know that the book of MORMON is absolutely 100% authentic part of ancient meso american history, and funny archaeology has cause so much NON LDS back peddling, and forcing science to conform with what the saints of the latter days have been saying all along.
NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE has ***EVER* proclaimed the BofM is 100% pure authentic Meso American history. Nice strawman, and yo mama would be proud of you smashing it to smithereens.......
You seem to believe that what we have now is the total and complete picture of everything in the ancient world on these subjects. How utterly and incredibly naive on your part!
@eternallovevp Steel swords??? According to my knowledge, The sword of Labas was of steel, and only in Ether 7:9 is clear that some swords were made of steel, by the Jaradites. Were all swords made by the Nephites, were they all of steel??????????? Maybe they had some of steel swords, if they even had steel swords, with the exception of the sword of Laban. So nowhere in the Book of Mormon does it mention that they had thousands or hundreds of steel swords.
@eternallovevp The fact is metal working to make swords were LOST. They didn't make real steel either, because Joseph Smith had a LIMITED vocabulary.
Before the end of 1 Nephi, the people were switching to CIMETERS. WHAT IS A CIMETER? Well if you have a LIMITED vocabulary in English and not aware of the MACUIHUITL
This argument would truely have some weight IF the descriptions of the weapons in the BoM matched the descrptions given that you just read, however they do NOT match.
Stone and strrl are not confusable, rock does not bend, wood is not confused with gold, by anyone, not even a blind man
The Bible says coins with cesaer's face and we find them
BoM says coins, but no tribe in the Americas used coins, so this is the very definition of a LIE
The text of the Book of Mormon does not say coins, that is part of the chapter heading. That was not translated. When one reads the text one finds that the monetary system that they used was weights and measures and it still exists today in Meso America.
Nephi made steel swords using the design of Labans sword. However, that is the only reference that I remember that Nephites specifically made steel swords. The descriptions of the latter swords match those of the wooden swords.
@mrridgerunner BE HONEST! I said that the Bible, when it mentions a thing, we find that thing, The Bible says coin with Cesear's face and we find them. The BoM says STEEL SWORDS WITH GOLD, PUREST GOLD HANDLES. Never to be found.
The BoM mentions things of metal used for value and buying. that is the very definition of coinage!
NO TYPE OF COINAGE EXISTED IN THE AMERICAS PRIOR TO EUROPEANS!
No BoM mention of anything like flint in wood war weapons!
“Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” Gen22:2.
“They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” Jer19:4
Is your arguement god does not want you burning your children to baal, but to Yahweh it is good?This is wicked.
First of all the Lamanites aka Indians didnt know how to work metals or build cities. It says in the BOM that they where nomadic and lived off the land and hunted. Why do you think they always tried to steel from the Nephites. The Nephites did and they died. Thus after they died the technology was lost. Problem solved
@cwood4ever the exact way the egyptians were mummified is also lost to time, but we have the actual mummies as evidence that this occured. I have yet to see one steel sword (or piece of sword) that came from such industrious poeple as the nephites.
The area of the Book of Mormon lands is in Meso America according to the evidence available and Joseph Smith the translator. I have been to the Mexican Museum in Mexico city and have seen amazing metal works first hand. I have seen murals of light skinned and dark skinned people usually at conflict with each other. The Book of Mormon talks of cement buildings and there are hundreds of them in Mesoamerica. The evidence is there. One only has to look honestly to find it.
THE SWORD OF LABAN UNSHEATHED .. and the words written on it ".This sword will never be sheathed again until the kingdoms of this world become the kingdom of our God and his Christ."
Professor where these words readable in English or retard egyptian ?
I'm sorry but you can't "molten" flint swords. Look at Ether 7:9 "Wherefore [...] he did molten out of the hill, and made swords out of steel."
Also Nephi often sought out "ore" from the Lord to make tools, so he supposedly knew how to work with metals.
I'm looking for honest answers to these issues, not speculations. It seems like all defenses are grasping at straws for any evidence or connection whatsoever.
@madmonk you must use a Mormon dictionary: Rock= metal. God is gods which were men perfected into gods. "innocent blood" is not you or me! It's a special Morg word. John D Lee describes a "widow" as women who left their husbands and joined the Mormons unmarried! (we know how long a widow/chick last in Mormonia!) There are dozens of odd words/definitions.
The honest answer is that the only references to steel swords is with the Jaradites ( same period as the Olmecs 2500-300 BC ) and first and second generation Nephites (600-500 bc). To your question as to where all the steel swords went it is found in Mosiah 8:11 stating that the swords were already rusting away (300-150 bc) They did not have stainless steel. So anything the Nephites made of steel would have rusted away by now. I saw that for myself in Ecuador.
@mrridgerunner That's a good point, but the verse just prior to the one you mention talks about breastplates made of brass that were in perfect condition. Ether also talks about their society digging up giant mounds of earth (i.e. mining) to work with brass and other metals (gold, silver, copper etc.). Along with the lack of metallic evidence in Mezo, there is also lack of mining evidence for these types of metals.
I saw a lot of metal articifacts while I was in Mexico. I dont remember which cuture they came from. With that said, I would imagine that they would have been reused since it would be easier then mining all new ore. There was a lot of gold, copper and silver in the musium. In fact. that is one of the evidences that point to meso america as the land of the Book of Mormon; the abundance of gold. silver and copper in the area.
@mrridgerunner Yes but mesoamerican metallurgy didn't start until about 700-900 AD, long after the Nephites had become extinct, so those artifacts can't be used as evidence. For there to have been gold, copper, silver, brass, steel, and the fine workings of swordsmanship and armor, there would have to be mines found throughout the land.
You are describing a flint encrusted sword but that is not in the BOM. 9 And I beheld his sword, and I drew it forth from the sheath thereof; and the hilt thereof was of pure gold, and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine, and I saw that the blade thereof was of the most precious steel.
There were supposedly 2 million dead in battle and where are all these steel and gold swords, not one in all the world can be found? Or how about Nephi who claimed he had a steel bow and arrow? lol
nephites and lamanites are a total invention. please stick to the back yard sir. just trust in the true biblical Christ and you will be on the right track.
deception breeds deception, to the point where pride and delusion take over. how about that bat creek stone? your trying to defend something that can not be defended. your living in a dream world. Joseph Smith was a con man false ''prophet'' please get a clue.
Uh, the SPaniards who actually SAW it happen - DUH1 But my how convenient to dismiss their accounts because it doesn't fit in with your own preconceived notions. I wish I had it that easy.
@TheBackyardProfessor You do everything you can to purposely mislead the easily impressionable. The Spaniards brought their (steel) swords with them from Europe. Why are you trying to twist history to try and make the it fit the book of lies? Smelters, and the ability to seperate stones containing ferrous metals was a technology that the natives of that area did not have at that time. Does your religion REQUIRE you to rationalize fact and truth away?
They RECORDED what they SAW and EXPERIENCED. They described the weapons used against them as "swords." The effects were as devastating as their steel in some instances. I am not twitting anything, I am reporting REAL history as THEY recorded it. Just because YOU can't believe it doesn't mean it is false. You are quite silly.
@TheBackyardProfessor DUH! You keep trying to find ways to make the book of lies true. Imagine if you took that time to truly scrutinize the lies you been taught? And you accuse others of preconceived notions? If you truly analyzed the evidence, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. You're a lost soul, trying to get other losts souls to believe joes crap. That makes you an accomplice to the con...
Scrutinize the lies I have been taught? I have been doing so for over 3 1/2 decades. I have HUNDREDS of videos and HUNDREDS of papers out in public SHOWING I am scrutinizing. Now you are so desperate all you can do is falsely accuse and make up things.
@TheBackyardProfessor You and yours continue to try and use "inuendo" in an attempt to "prove" the book of lies as fact. Scholars much more intelligent than you or I have been sent by BYU to investigate in an attempt to prove ANYTHING from the bom to be true. What actual, factual, evidence have they found? NOTHING, ZERO, NADA.. You continue your "backyard" yarns. But quit using words like "realistic" and "proof". You just look ignorant, and prove to all your willingness to lie for your faith...
Name names.....WHICH scholars have gone to BYU specifically to find PROOF of the Book of Mormon? WHEN did they go there? WHO did they talk to? What papers were published telling of their adventures. Quit with the generalities, give me NAMES, DATES, PROOF of your phony assertion here.
@TheBackyardProfessor Its unrealistic plain and simple the Aztecs and Mayans have nothing to do with the bible period and this is a load of crap the church will do anything to save face.
@TheBackyardProfessor I don't give out names on youtube but its not hard to find error among the book of mormon its worse then the Quran if you ask me there is no proof or evidence anywhere at all.
@TheBackyardProfessor Why are they all mormons that support it though why is there no one outside the church that supports these claims it very strange to me but what ever.
Lessee.....I have yet to meet any REAL atheists who HONESTLY support the Bible teachings of God. Gee, I wonder why they don't? I have to wonder why you think it is more important that non-Mormons come up with the evidences? WE are the experts, because we take it seriously and study it more than anyone else in the world. You are just going to have to get over it. I mean honestly.....
@TheBackyardProfessor Generations of spreading the bible makes it hard for us to get our words out and will always be the devil to those who buy into the myth so what i can say. Your dishonest if you really believe that we are all liers because we refuse to believe your stories, Your the ones knocking on our doors trying to feed us the stuff and we are the bad guys your church wont let outsiders investigate your grounds because they know perfectly well they will be discredited.
@TheBackyardProfessor You know that your org. is laughed at by science you can say what you want your to comfortable with your faith to give it up because its embarrassing to know the real truth. Am atheist because i know there is too many errors in your book, way to many to be divine even one shred of evidence wouldn't good enough for the book of mormon to be legit. You honesty believe your book of mormon is perfect? if so your the big lie to yourself, My thoughts no disrespect here.
Laughed at by science! Oh dear. I guess we should just fold up shop then and go fishing......GRIN! I have bad news for you, and then REAL bad news for you. You are truly naive and wet behind the ears. NO ONE in Mormonism thinks the BofM is *perfect* You completely misunderstand
@TheBackyardProfessor Its not my concern what others think really its what i have studied for myself. Yes the church is good for somethings but really it doesn't provide good enough evidences is all i mean give the members something other then blind faith i am tired of just having faith its not proof or very comforting. Its fair to ask for perfection when a book claims to be inspired by divine and to base ones whole reality on. If a book claims all knowledge it should be with out error.
Your strawman was beautifully set up and beautifully knocked down by yourself. My you mist be so proud to demolish your own assumptions. That is the beginning of Wisdom after all. Nowhere, and I mean nowhere does the Book of Mormon even claim to possess all knowledge. You truly have NOT read NOR understood the Book of Mormon have you? No need to lie, your silly assumptions are proof you are unfamiliar with it.
@TheBackyardProfessor I know its asking a lot but a book inspired by a great super spirit should have a least some perfection to it when i went through the bible i throw it out just going into the old testament i said that was very anti-human and no way that could be from divine powers. The book of mormon is a biproduct of the bible and if its flawed the book of mormon has to be flawed as well much like the Quran.
LOL! You are nowhere even in the ball park with these vast assumptions. But hey, it's fun to see you review the typical anti-Mormon stances and ignore the incredible scholarship done on just these exact issues. Were you half honest, even HALF honest, you would look at ALL angles, instead of only the silly negative ones. But in the phony name of objectivity, don't let my disbelief in your disbelief way you from subjectively drawing false conclusions from strawman arguments
@TheBackyardProfessor I don't want to sound anti-mormon but the weapon on this video wasn't invented in the time of what your book of mormon claims so i don't see how this is relevant it sounds like his trying to tie it in with the book of mormon when it can't if the stories predate this technology.
You, of course, miss the entire significance of the information in the video. ALL the vast research is available online at the Neal A. Maxwell Institute. Were you honestly seeking to understand and know, you would go there and read for years like the rest of us have. You may actually learn something - heaven forbid!
@TheBackyardProfessor I have looked up this information and its realistic only to its real culture but it has nothing to do with your book of mormon the technology is not the same the culture isn't the same in fact am looking at the line in the book that says steel swords or maybe you don't know your elements obsidian is not steel its nothing like it period. You can't change the definitions of the words in the book of mormon they are clearly defined as being what it says they are.
@TheBackyardProfessor You are right. Joseph Smith did not say Book of Mormon was "perfect". He did say that it was the most "correct" of any book on earth. Also the Lord allowed 11 others, not just Joseph Smith, to view the plates and be witness to the truth and divinity of The Book of Mormon. I am not a Mormon so I can understand the confusion.
@TheBackyardProfessor Two things have come to light in this conversation. The minute I say BYU..You suddenly take notice as if BYU has more achaeological knowledge than anyone else. Second, anything not provided by your church, in your estimation, is either tainted or skewed. This tells me you refuse to look at information for what it is. Rather, you have preconceived notions based on your beliefs, and will continue to rationalize any scenario out there in an attempt to prove your testimony.
I asked you for SPECIFICS. I want NAMES of the so-called scholars who have visited BYU and done what you attribute to them. You obviously are in the know, so I want to learn. Are you going to share, or are you going to remain secret about these mysterious (fictional more like it) scholars. I am NOT refusing to look at information, I AM BEGGING YOU FOR IT. GIVE ME THE NAMES.
@TheBackyardProfessor John L Sorenson, Professor of Anthropology, and Sociology a BYU. In his paper on BYU Studies Volume 16, No.3, (Spring 1976) pages 429-432. Dr. Sorenson discusses the lack of Anthropoligical evidence, and how he feels that so called "experts" are doing more of a disservice to the church attempting to offer proof when there is none. His assertion is that: " There are impressive findings that make it difficult to explain away the BOM. Such evidence is NOT "proof" con
@TheBackyardProfessor Someone like you is dangerous. Dangerous because you "think" you have knowledge. You offer ONLY the information that supports your beliefs. This is NOT the scientific method, and is NOT truthful. Yet you consider yourself a "truth seeker?" You are nothing more than a rationalist who preys on like minded people, searching to make things "fit."
Yeah, yeah, dangerous. This ain't no refutation of anything I have said or written. But hey, call me something sinister and sure enough, you can excuse yourself of doing the hard work of learning as I am doing. What a cop out. You aren't dangerous at all, you are just plain bankrupt.
@TheBackyardProfessor but represents indications of plausibility that demand further attention. He says it clear as day. THERE IS NO PROOF! He says it could be plausible. I can make many arguments that can make Santa Claus "plausible." And he speaking to people just like yourself. People who think they're helping the churches cause with their rationalizations...
Shows how little you understand or read scholarship. There are rarely, if ever, ANY scholars who use PROOF as a premise for historical research. Plausibility is precisely what is demanded, not proof. Rookies and amateurs demand proof, but professionals know better. I suggest you seriously get in touch with real scholarship, not the pseudo-babble you present.
@TheBackyardProfessor It is word for word as it was stated.. You're right.. These BYU guys can only offer pseudo babble.. Read for yourself... Learn the truth..
@TheBackyardProfessor It's been fun...But you offer NOTHING... Learn a little about your own faith... You're doing nothing but embarrassing yourself, and your cult..
@TheBackyardProfessor I leave with my favorite quote from Elder Packer that best describes the integrity of the mormon church. "Some things that are true, just aren't useful." What a crock... Stupid is as stupid does... And you more than "does" your part..
Um.... it is true that my toe nails are quite a weird shape. This is truth, but just how useful is it in say, understanding the significance of the Greek meaning of Logos? I side with Elder Packer all the way, some truth is more useful than other truth. He spoke THE truth on that one. I figured you would be in disagreement, seeing the uselessness you have been posting here for days.
@TheBackyardProfessor I'll finish this with a true assessment as to archaeological validity of the BOM. "The Smithsonian Institute has NEVER used the BOM in ANY way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian Archaeologist see NO DIRECT CONNECTION between the archaeology of the New World, and the subject matter of the book. If the BOM is a history,(as the LDS church claims) it should stand up as such. But it does NOT. The Smithsonian is THE last word in archaeology in the Americas.
@TheBackyardProfessor I've offered information you said didn't exist. And all you can do is call me names? Who's the ding-a-ling? I'll go away when you do.. Quit lying to people. Quit trying to act intelligent when you obviously know nothing. As long as you keep lying... I'll keep calling you a liar.. Even your beloved byu clowns can't prove anything.. Your all chasing the same lame lies.
You offered me NOTHING but a mere opinion, and its an outdated opinion at that. You keep calling me a liar without the evidence, and I will simply block yer sorry butt. Produce some evidence, or go away. I have far more important things to do than argue with an over emotional nutjob who knows nothing but parroting others' lame arguments, and who obviously cannot think for himself.
@TheBackyardProfessor John Gee, BYU Egyptologist, regarding FAIR's claims that the "Caractor" document shows PROOF that the Mic Mac Indians language was a derivative of "reformed Egyption." "LDS studies of "reformed Egyption" are necessarily limited to whatever linguistic evidence might be discovered in the text of the BOM plus extant seven line "Caractors" document that may or may not be the characters said to have been copied from the golden plates.[14] Some mormons have attempted to (cont)
@TheBackyardProfessor decipher the "Caractors" document. According to BYU Egyptologist, John Gee: " the corpus is NOT large enough to render decipherment feasible." A "true" Egyptologist showing that FAIR's assertions are wrong and that there is NOTHING to show "reformed Egyption" ever existed. I'm sure he had to dance around how he worded everything, in an attempt to not embarrass FAIR's claims, and therefore the mormon church.
The account and research does not say they are the same swords, DUH! Nice strawman, I am sure you feel oh so comfy knocking it down and pretending to superior refutation. Thanks for the entertainment though.
there they are nit picking again, for the fact they have no solid evidence. how sad. they point to the native persons of America, Mexico and Central America as Nephites and Lamanites. their is 0% recorded history of any of this. dna research has shown that these peoples are decended from parts of Asia. where are the hundreds of elephant bones and chariots? the Mayan temples were built by the MAYANS! who in ancient times originated from parts of Asia. all of these peoples are documented. SCAM!
That weapon he is talking about couldn't cut a dog in half this is a radically ridiculous claim that has been debunked this is mormons lying again to save face.
We Mormons are NOT claiming this, you silly man. The actual records of the Spaniards in their wars recorded this. DUH! So we read the historical record, and you want history, but you won't believe it? Now who are the closed minded dopes around here?
"...And I beheld his sword, and I drew it forth from the sheath thereof; and the hilt thereof was PURE GOLD, and the workmanship thereof was exeedingly fine, and I saw that the blade thereof was of the more precious STEEL..." 1 Nephi 4:9
"...And I beheld his sword, and I drew it forth from the sheath thereof; and the hilt thereof was PURE GOLD, and the workmanship thereof was exeedingly fine, and I saw that the blade thereof was of the more precious STEEL..." 1 Nephi 4:9
I think in the BOM there's accounts of horses and chariots.
Funny isn't it that not one "Native American" had a horse or ever thought of making anything like a wheel when Europeans got here in the 1500s and 1600s.
Any "evidence" for the BOM has to be a stretch to say the least.
@masterskyrunner According to National Geographic (a more credible source than you, I'm sorry to say) they died off in N. America at least 10,000 years ago. If you go to the wikipedia article on Mustangs and click on #6 reference at the bottom it will take you to the National Geo. article I read.
@masterskyrunner I cant' find even one article about 2500 year old horse bones. I see some Mormon sources, but they have an agenda of course. As you know.
BLAH BLAH BLAH DONT YOU FEEL GUILTY ABOUT THIS SHIT? i couldnt get up and lie about a bunch of crap and then call my self a professor, i would feel guilty. but i guess it takes atheism to have morals
Are you kidding me there is a huge difference between a sword and that blunt weapon which would fall apart if it hit a horse this video is mormon propaganda not realistic history. I really wish you people would get it right and stop trying to shape history to fit your dam bible.
So the eye witness who described the event and who was there, is nuts, but you, lo these many hundreds of years and thousands of miles removed know the reality eh? Wow, thanks for informing me.
@Thebackyardfreemason Well real historians aren't theists like this guy and they disagree with that do your research and then come bla bla bla on me comrade your like every mormon ive ever met a brainwashed nut case.
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You sound like your so excited about the fairy tail your telling...Your totally jumping off the planet conceptually without an actual developmental fact you've leaped over the moon with a conclussion. Do you assume your talking to complete idiots?
they are not steel swords. Talk all you want about what the spanish found or columbus they did not find steel swords. Not found then or to this day. Not found.
Another demonstration that there is simply not steel swords clearly mentioned in Smiths tale of the hebrew American Indians.
This is a whole lot of quotes that don't say anything. All I get from it is that the Spanish used the word "swords" as a simile to put the primitive weapons in some sort of context. These were a group of people who got really good at making stone weapons. The Spanish had steel, did they describe any situation where these people had steel as a technology at any time? Was there ant remnants of this steel technology?
It amazes me that you actually attempt defending this religion. I suppose you must, given your situation. I am glad you've at least found something to occupy your time and keep you pleased. Don't spread misinformation, mind you. I don't think you'll have to worry about anyone taking you too seriously outside the LDS community.
Great video. I am actually making a maquital (however it is spelled) just for reference in FHE these type of things bring the BOM to life. Although there is strict references to steele in the BOM it doesn't mean that the knowledge of how to make these type of swords wasn't eventually lost. We know the people went from being industrious to becoming blood thirsty warmongers...thus a true decline in civilization resulting in the loss of swords like the Sword of Laben and the use of maquitals.
It just keeps getting better and better, Maybe you should re-edit the book of Mormon, Do away with all those pesky little details that cause people so much trouble:) I love it...Has anyone checked on the moon or mars for ZARAHEMLA OR BOUNTIFUL, Go figure
@TheBackyardProfessor I was only joking about Zarahemla and bountiful, Can't say one way or another if they exsisted. It would be interesting though if there was some evidence to suggest they did exsist:) Kerry Shirts, play nice!!!
1 Nephi 4:9:"And I beheld his(Laban's) sword...and the hilt thereof was of pure gold, and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine, and I saw that the blade thereof was of the most precious steel."
Yes they do, your mere assertion to the complete contrary. Copper scroll ***PROVES*** writing anciently on metal. Gee there's one. The overuse, as it were, of Isaiah, yet another point in favor of the BofM emphasis on Isaiah. Gee, there's 2 right off the top of my head without using any brain cells whatever.
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I'm not listening to you. You're crazy.
Dude. No wonder you're a backyard professor. No reputable university would ever take you. You're better of admitting that Mormons are a sect and that your holy book has no historical backing of any kind but that you are all guided by pure blind faith. You'd all have more respect for that than making these outrageous claims.
obsidiantongue 3 months ago
BULLSHIT
timthedramatic2011 5 months ago
O.k. that's great but what happens when the swords hit eachother???? He's saying you can't break them but if two dudes swung at eachother i'm pretty sure that flint is breaking.
rascalMatt17 5 months ago
You forgot zelph the very fiber of evidence for the book of mormon!
pappyforyou 6 months ago
The flint edged Mesoamerican club was a serious step back technologically from iron age Israeli weapons. Yes, flint can be very sharp, but it also breaks astonishingly quickly in impact applications. Are you suggesting that Israeli immigrants to the Americas, living in regions with abundant mineral resources, deliberately abandoned technological knowledge that had been painstakingly preserved and refined for generations in mesopotamia?
Llyranon 6 months ago
"LACK OF EVIDENCE" for great cities was probably the #1 biggest criticism of the book of mormon for a long time, until dozens of big ancient cities were discovered....then gold plates, since discovered..... elephants...murals and carvings discovered.......hebrew writings....discovered....chariots....wheels on toys since discovered......baptismal fonts discovered......bearded men on ceramics discovered....and every native culture, even hawaiian say that the bearded white God will return. GROW UP!
keriscorp 8 months ago
Mosiah 8:11
11 And again, they have brought swords, the hilts thereof have perished, and the blades thereof were cankered with rust;
does flint rust?
boundingraveclothes 8 months ago
Sword can be? but not proven. Indians where viewed as vicious head removing, limb dismembering savages?. Have you gone directly to a tribal member and presented this mormon view?, It would make an interesting video for people who view your clips of what you consider as truth.
JSeely218 10 months ago
but the mezo-american's "swords" were made of volcanic glass not steel or iron like the book of mormon says the nephite/laminite swords were made of.
stanthema 10 months ago
When were these wooden swords used my mesoamericans?
What century?
When was Labans sword first copied by the Nephites?
Do the math and present the entire picture.
fudley2003 10 months ago
I'll take S-words for $800, Alex.
Necrometer 10 months ago
I have a simple demand for would-be Mormon apologists: Show one peer reviewed, scholarly work which has been published by a non-Mormon in a non-Mormon publication which lends any credence to the heretofore well disconfirmed historical claims of the Book of Mormon.
Paraconsistant 11 months ago 2
@Paraconsistant
Raphael Patai, the Jewish Biblical scholar, "The Children of Noah, Jewish Sea-faring in Ancient Times," Princeton University Press, 1998. The appendix is where Raphael Patai asked the LDS scholar John M. Lundquist to write up concerning the Book of Mormon Jews crossing the ocean as a very pertinent aspect of his data. Patai INVITED Lundquist, and then Princeton published the book.
Another one is Margaret Barker in "The Worlds of Joseph Smith." There's 2 for you.
TheBackyardProfessor 11 months ago 5
@TheBackyardProfessor Books do not constitute peer-reviewed research. Anyone can write a book making the unsubstantiated assertions and a publishing house, including Princeton Press, will publish it if they think it might be a profitable endeavor. Re: the LDS claim about Jews in the New World. Show some scholarly articles published in peer-reviewed, non-LDS, respectable journals such as the Annals of Human Genetics or Biometrika which show genetic evidence that Native Americans have origins...
Paraconsistant 11 months ago
@TheBackyardProfessor ... in the Middle East. That is, that genetic mapping reveals Semitic descent and not Asian descent. Currently, a literature review shows that there is *no* genetic evidence which supports the LDS claim. Rather, the genetic evidence shows, clearly, that the Native Americans are, for all intents and purposes, Asians.
Paraconsistant 11 months ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Inviting a mormon to write about mormonism is not the same, nor in the same country as a non-mormon, writing anthing that validates the BoM, BE HONEST!!!
A book about Jo Smith Jr by a supposedly non- mormon is also not the thing requested, BE HONEST!!!
The BoM claims of swords, charriots etc are false, in their totality!
THE END!
buzzbbird 9 months ago
@buzzbbird im not mormon. im cherokee, and cant be a mormon because i smoke and drink, but i had a vision and i didnt know what it meant until i read the book of mormon, where lehi saw men holding to an iron rod, which is what i saw. one was lehi, holding a metal ball on a chain, and one was ezekiel holding a scroll and metal plates in one hand. you should learn to bite your tongue until you gain more knowledge, or you may loose the use of it.....be careful....these are sacred things.
keriscorp 8 months ago
@keriscorp Oh MY! Not possible to fide enough fault with that! Yep you drink and had a vision, that proves it. BoM MUST be true because you had a vision.
You shuld just shut up, completely forever! I have done YEARS of study on Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, their heretica, false doctrines and ALL, 100% of the evidence IS in!
Flora, Fauna, False prophecies, DNA, archaeology
BoM=LIE, FRAUD, FALSE RELIGION
buzzbbird 8 months ago
@buzzbbird ok...so im a stupid drunk.....no problem.....all i can say is i know what i was shown....thats it....you can believe anything you want...i was just trying to give you some friendly advice from an old man...thats all...and i wish you well on your journey....may the Great Spirit guide your steps....and may all your children prosper....
keriscorp 8 months ago
@keriscorp HMMM you claim to have had a vision that supports the Book of Mormon, and then you close with 'the Great Spirit'
LOL
Yep you really believe in the Book of Mormon!
buzzbbird 7 months ago
Respond to this video... oh...about the charismatic mega fauna....ie elephants, you may want to look at this little tidbit.....
now....you should put h t t p / / in front of it....got it? enjoy....
philosophiesofmen.blogspot.com/2011/03/elephants-in-america.html
now thats just elephants....anything else you want to learn, i am here for you....
good night young spirit....
keriscorp 8 months ago
@keriscorp Um, Yeah, EVERYONE knows about Mastadons and Mammoths, mostly found in the North American and northern Asian Continents, No biggie there.
That info WAS known in Joseph Smith's time! So the Fiction included one particular animal that was in ancient America. It is NOT the animals that might have been there in the claimed time period, it is the claimed animals and plants that were NOT in the Americas, but were brought over by the Europeans that prove its fraudulent beginning!
buzzbbird 7 months ago
@buzzbbird Your "research" is like a child playing in poop and examining it.You know very little as I have read much of your attacks on people.You worship the Canaanite god El.Israel's god was El an is often in the OT.If it was not for the whitewashing of the Hebrew Bible, Exodus 6:3 would read as thus and it is a proper name not a general name of god.
" I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as El, but by my name the Yahweh I did not make myself fully known to them."
thedagonjones 6 months ago
@Paraconsistant I've asked for ONE example of a sword, city or road foundations, chariot, breastplate, horse bone, compass, writing, etc. The response is ALWAYS, "Mayans drew elephants" or "Incans used silk" (No artifacts of course) As for sources, not the Smithsonian, National Geographic, any museum, university. historian or archaeologist.
The "Professor" is intellectually dishonest. The BOM clearly says Laban's sword was steel & Nephi made many like it. What else can that mean?
smb12321 10 months ago 2
@Paraconsistant See that's the problem right there! Even if I had the golden plates right in front of you, I let you handle and looks at the inscriptions.. you would no nothing more then than you do now! And for that reason The Bible AND the Book Of Mormon, you have NO, ZITCH,NADA, NUNCA voice of opinion then that of pure ignorance! READ IT.., I MEAN READ THE SUCKER! I promise you with all my heart you WILL feel different then you do now! Last, Let's come together as Christians! God Bless
djdhcp22 6 months ago
Respond to this video... See that's the problem right there! Even if I had the golden plates right in front of you, I let you handle and looks at the inscriptions.. you would no nothing more then than you do now! And for that reason The Bible AND the Book Of Mormon, you have NO, ZITCH,NADA, NUNCA voice of opinion then that of pure ignorance! READ IT.., I MEAN READ THE SUCKER! I promise you with all my heart you WILL feel different then you do now! Last, Let's join as Christians! God Bls
djdhcp22 6 months ago
@djdhcp22 A few things to say here. I am *not* a theist. I am familiar with the relevant historical research on the Native American bronze age (and earlier) and it does NOT support ANY claim made in the BoM. That aside, one does not "feel" truth. Truth is the product of our best current methodologies (empirical method, rigorous applications of scientific methods, etc.). Nevertheless, if I were a Muslim I could say, 'Just READ the Koran!' If a Hindu, I could say 'Just READ the Upanishads'.
Paraconsistant 5 months ago
@djdhcp22 Or if I were of any religious persuasion I could say 'Just READ [enter religious text here] and you will feel different.' Warm and fuzzy feelings do not justify historical claims. Rather, the science of history [archaeology, textual criticism, etc.] does. The point is this: There is NO historical evidence which supports ANY BoM claim. I wish we did have the so-called golden plates! Reformed Egyptian?! Doesn't exist.
Paraconsistant 5 months ago
Well as much stuff your church claims to have, you'd think there would be more than just a pile of dirt in NY, where's all the bones from this great battle that took place there? where are all the swords and shields and weapons your church founder has told of from this great battle? where are the remnants of buildings? your church has "NOTHING" the land should be litterd with evidence...so far there hasn't been diddly, zip, nada, you have believed in a lie long enough. stop decieving yourself
JSeely218 11 months ago
@JSeely218
You obviously don't keep up with the LDS evidence do you?
TheBackyardProfessor 11 months ago
@TheBackyardProfessor how does one?
GOLLYJONNY 9 months ago
Well if all this evidence is out there then why hasn't the church come forward and boasted of this ? seems to me that something of this caliber would be stated by your leading prophet! Why hasn't he come out and publicly stated this ? Why hasn't the news/media been buzzing with this... "ANY" and I mean "ANY" Archeological item to back LDS claims would set the news world on FIRE! but you have nothing but wet matches...keep trying!,.. cmon mister quit decieving yourself!
JSeely218 11 months ago
@JSeely218 Yes its evidence, but to be in the NEWS, it needs to be proof that a nephite city was located. With inscriptions, but its really hard because we know so little about the inscriptions dating book of mormon times, and on areas where book of mormon lands are proposed to be. So its not easy to find proof of the Book of mormon. If a single Book of Mormon city were to be comfirmed, faith won't be neccesary anymore my friend, it would be one of the greatest news on Fox News ever!
TheSkepticChristian 11 months ago
@JSeely218 Its not the purpose of the Church to put foward Book of Mormon evidences that are not spiritual.
TheSkepticChristian 11 months ago
@JSeely218
Our assumptions are not your weak assumption about the vitality of archaeology being used as a crutch for the scriptures. We have a vastly more sure word of prophecy that we, INDEED, ***DO*** tout.
TheBackyardProfessor 11 months ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Looks like to me that you are being bombarded by the same names i've been dealing with. Their rhetoric of their silly trinitarian spirit God that morphs three ways is completely rediculous. Maybe their god is a schizo, because the silence is deafening.
Great video about the Macuihuitl!!!!
The anti mormons are completely clueless.
LDS4Life71 10 months ago
@LDS4Life71 um lots of these people arn't christians...and you are ignore all the evidence that this guy is wrong...
thegarett3 10 months ago
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@TheBackyardProfessor Where is the evidence?
GOLLYJONNY 9 months ago
@TheBackyardProfessor
So, when you're challenged (after presenting a half dozen videos purporting to offer archaeological evidence for Mormonism) to offer a single shred of evidence for the LDS claims about the Americas, you first say "its there, you just don't know about it" and then say "we have our scriptures so we don't need it".
DNA evidence has proven that native Americans do not share common ancestry with people of Semitic background. Joseph Smith's story is demonstrably false.
Llyranon 6 months ago
@JSeely218 Do you think the media wants the truth?
scottwins2 7 months ago
The Book of Abraham papyri were thought lost in the 1871 Great Chicago Fire. However, in 1966 several fragments of the papyri were found in the Museum of Art in New York, and in the LDS church archives. Upon examination by professional Egyptologists, the papyri were found to be common Egyptian funerary texts, dating to about the first century BC, and not a story of Abraham as Joseph Smith claimed.
The Bible is true, but the book of Mormon is not. See:
4mormon.org
FastbackJon 1 year ago
@FastbackJon "1966 several fragments of the papyri were found"
Are you sure that the book of Abragham was found???
TheSkepticChristian 11 months ago
Joseph Smith included WAY too many details for apologetics to clean up: elephants, horses, children of Israel and their accompanying DNA, STEEL swords, specific coinage, and the big battle in which ALL of the Nephites were killed, hundreds of thousands of them! Those are just a handful that spring to mind. Come out of the cave. You've been watching shadow theatre.
BelgianBicyclist 1 year ago
@BelgianBicyclist It's so wonderful to see the plethora of evidence to know that the book of MORMON is absolutely 100% authentic part of ancient meso american history, and funny archaeology has cause so much NON LDS back peddling, and forcing science to conform with what the saints of the latter days have been saying all along.
Great video, Kerry
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71
NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE has ***EVER* proclaimed the BofM is 100% pure authentic Meso American history. Nice strawman, and yo mama would be proud of you smashing it to smithereens.......
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@BelgianBicyclist
You seem to believe that what we have now is the total and complete picture of everything in the ancient world on these subjects. How utterly and incredibly naive on your part!
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
The BoM says the native americans used a steel sword. Please show a picture of a lamenite/nephite steel sword. Lame
eternallovevp 1 year ago
@eternallovevp Steel swords??? According to my knowledge, The sword of Labas was of steel, and only in Ether 7:9 is clear that some swords were made of steel, by the Jaradites. Were all swords made by the Nephites, were they all of steel??????????? Maybe they had some of steel swords, if they even had steel swords, with the exception of the sword of Laban. So nowhere in the Book of Mormon does it mention that they had thousands or hundreds of steel swords.
TheSkepticChristian 1 year ago
@eternallovevp The fact is metal working to make swords were LOST. They didn't make real steel either, because Joseph Smith had a LIMITED vocabulary.
Before the end of 1 Nephi, the people were switching to CIMETERS. WHAT IS A CIMETER? Well if you have a LIMITED vocabulary in English and not aware of the MACUIHUITL
LDS4Life71 1 year ago
@LDS4Life71 Cool
TheSkepticChristian 1 year ago
This is a great anti-Mormon video, since it shows that the Meso-Americans used weapons different from those claimed for them in the Book of Mormon.
Naiant 1 year ago
This argument would truely have some weight IF the descriptions of the weapons in the BoM matched the descrptions given that you just read, however they do NOT match.
Stone and strrl are not confusable, rock does not bend, wood is not confused with gold, by anyone, not even a blind man
The Bible says coins with cesaer's face and we find them
BoM says coins, but no tribe in the Americas used coins, so this is the very definition of a LIE
God does not lie!
buzzbbird 1 year ago
@buzzbbird
The text of the Book of Mormon does not say coins, that is part of the chapter heading. That was not translated. When one reads the text one finds that the monetary system that they used was weights and measures and it still exists today in Meso America.
Nephi made steel swords using the design of Labans sword. However, that is the only reference that I remember that Nephites specifically made steel swords. The descriptions of the latter swords match those of the wooden swords.
mrridgerunner 9 months ago
@mrridgerunner BE HONEST! I said that the Bible, when it mentions a thing, we find that thing, The Bible says coin with Cesear's face and we find them. The BoM says STEEL SWORDS WITH GOLD, PUREST GOLD HANDLES. Never to be found.
The BoM mentions things of metal used for value and buying. that is the very definition of coinage!
NO TYPE OF COINAGE EXISTED IN THE AMERICAS PRIOR TO EUROPEANS!
No BoM mention of anything like flint in wood war weapons!
Be HONEST!!!!!!
buzzbbird 9 months ago
@buzzbbird Really?
Who is the liar here?
“Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.” Gen22:2.
“They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” Jer19:4
Is your arguement god does not want you burning your children to baal, but to Yahweh it is good?This is wicked.
thedagonjones 6 months ago
iron, chariots, horses,sheep,wheat etc. all in the index of BOM
sekulaadam 1 year ago
First of all the Lamanites aka Indians didnt know how to work metals or build cities. It says in the BOM that they where nomadic and lived off the land and hunted. Why do you think they always tried to steel from the Nephites. The Nephites did and they died. Thus after they died the technology was lost. Problem solved
cwood4ever 1 year ago
@cwood4ever the exact way the egyptians were mummified is also lost to time, but we have the actual mummies as evidence that this occured. I have yet to see one steel sword (or piece of sword) that came from such industrious poeple as the nephites.
MySweetSelf 1 year ago
@cwood4ever
The area of the Book of Mormon lands is in Meso America according to the evidence available and Joseph Smith the translator. I have been to the Mexican Museum in Mexico city and have seen amazing metal works first hand. I have seen murals of light skinned and dark skinned people usually at conflict with each other. The Book of Mormon talks of cement buildings and there are hundreds of them in Mesoamerica. The evidence is there. One only has to look honestly to find it.
mrridgerunner 9 months ago
THE SWORD OF LABAN UNSHEATHED .. and the words written on it ".This sword will never be sheathed again until the kingdoms of this world become the kingdom of our God and his Christ."
Professor where these words readable in English or retard egyptian ?
care not to respond , I would understand.
kramd1 1 year ago
Well the steel swords were the Nephite swords, the lamanites sucked at making weapons. so when the nephites were wiped out goodbye steel swords
krsiss 1 year ago
I'm sorry but you can't "molten" flint swords. Look at Ether 7:9 "Wherefore [...] he did molten out of the hill, and made swords out of steel."
Also Nephi often sought out "ore" from the Lord to make tools, so he supposedly knew how to work with metals.
I'm looking for honest answers to these issues, not speculations. It seems like all defenses are grasping at straws for any evidence or connection whatsoever.
madmonk 1 year ago 13
@madmonk you must use a Mormon dictionary: Rock= metal. God is gods which were men perfected into gods. "innocent blood" is not you or me! It's a special Morg word. John D Lee describes a "widow" as women who left their husbands and joined the Mormons unmarried! (we know how long a widow/chick last in Mormonia!) There are dozens of odd words/definitions.
IExposeMormonism 11 months ago
@madmonk
The honest answer is that the only references to steel swords is with the Jaradites ( same period as the Olmecs 2500-300 BC ) and first and second generation Nephites (600-500 bc). To your question as to where all the steel swords went it is found in Mosiah 8:11 stating that the swords were already rusting away (300-150 bc) They did not have stainless steel. So anything the Nephites made of steel would have rusted away by now. I saw that for myself in Ecuador.
mrridgerunner 9 months ago
@mrridgerunner That's a good point, but the verse just prior to the one you mention talks about breastplates made of brass that were in perfect condition. Ether also talks about their society digging up giant mounds of earth (i.e. mining) to work with brass and other metals (gold, silver, copper etc.). Along with the lack of metallic evidence in Mezo, there is also lack of mining evidence for these types of metals.
madmonk 9 months ago
@madmonk
I saw a lot of metal articifacts while I was in Mexico. I dont remember which cuture they came from. With that said, I would imagine that they would have been reused since it would be easier then mining all new ore. There was a lot of gold, copper and silver in the musium. In fact. that is one of the evidences that point to meso america as the land of the Book of Mormon; the abundance of gold. silver and copper in the area.
mrridgerunner 9 months ago
@mrridgerunner Yes but mesoamerican metallurgy didn't start until about 700-900 AD, long after the Nephites had become extinct, so those artifacts can't be used as evidence. For there to have been gold, copper, silver, brass, steel, and the fine workings of swordsmanship and armor, there would have to be mines found throughout the land.
madmonk 9 months ago
You are describing a flint encrusted sword but that is not in the BOM. 9 And I beheld his sword, and I drew it forth from the sheath thereof; and the hilt thereof was of pure gold, and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine, and I saw that the blade thereof was of the most precious steel.
There were supposedly 2 million dead in battle and where are all these steel and gold swords, not one in all the world can be found? Or how about Nephi who claimed he had a steel bow and arrow? lol
manderbos 1 year ago 2
nephites and lamanites are a total invention. please stick to the back yard sir. just trust in the true biblical Christ and you will be on the right track.
lunabranwen 1 year ago
deception breeds deception, to the point where pride and delusion take over. how about that bat creek stone? your trying to defend something that can not be defended. your living in a dream world. Joseph Smith was a con man false ''prophet'' please get a clue.
lunabranwen 1 year ago
Who believes this crap?
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@theboofooguy
Uh, the SPaniards who actually SAW it happen - DUH1 But my how convenient to dismiss their accounts because it doesn't fit in with your own preconceived notions. I wish I had it that easy.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor You do everything you can to purposely mislead the easily impressionable. The Spaniards brought their (steel) swords with them from Europe. Why are you trying to twist history to try and make the it fit the book of lies? Smelters, and the ability to seperate stones containing ferrous metals was a technology that the natives of that area did not have at that time. Does your religion REQUIRE you to rationalize fact and truth away?
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@theboofooguy
They RECORDED what they SAW and EXPERIENCED. They described the weapons used against them as "swords." The effects were as devastating as their steel in some instances. I am not twitting anything, I am reporting REAL history as THEY recorded it. Just because YOU can't believe it doesn't mean it is false. You are quite silly.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor DUH! You keep trying to find ways to make the book of lies true. Imagine if you took that time to truly scrutinize the lies you been taught? And you accuse others of preconceived notions? If you truly analyzed the evidence, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. You're a lost soul, trying to get other losts souls to believe joes crap. That makes you an accomplice to the con...
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@theboofooguy
Scrutinize the lies I have been taught? I have been doing so for over 3 1/2 decades. I have HUNDREDS of videos and HUNDREDS of papers out in public SHOWING I am scrutinizing. Now you are so desperate all you can do is falsely accuse and make up things.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor You and yours continue to try and use "inuendo" in an attempt to "prove" the book of lies as fact. Scholars much more intelligent than you or I have been sent by BYU to investigate in an attempt to prove ANYTHING from the bom to be true. What actual, factual, evidence have they found? NOTHING, ZERO, NADA.. You continue your "backyard" yarns. But quit using words like "realistic" and "proof". You just look ignorant, and prove to all your willingness to lie for your faith...
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@theboofooguy
Name names.....WHICH scholars have gone to BYU specifically to find PROOF of the Book of Mormon? WHEN did they go there? WHO did they talk to? What papers were published telling of their adventures. Quit with the generalities, give me NAMES, DATES, PROOF of your phony assertion here.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Its unrealistic plain and simple the Aztecs and Mayans have nothing to do with the bible period and this is a load of crap the church will do anything to save face.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor I don't give out names on youtube but its not hard to find error among the book of mormon its worse then the Quran if you ask me there is no proof or evidence anywhere at all.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan
That's why I won't ask you, I will stick to the experts of the Book of Mormon which is perfectly logical to do on my part.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Why are they all mormons that support it though why is there no one outside the church that supports these claims it very strange to me but what ever.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan
Lessee.....I have yet to meet any REAL atheists who HONESTLY support the Bible teachings of God. Gee, I wonder why they don't? I have to wonder why you think it is more important that non-Mormons come up with the evidences? WE are the experts, because we take it seriously and study it more than anyone else in the world. You are just going to have to get over it. I mean honestly.....
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Generations of spreading the bible makes it hard for us to get our words out and will always be the devil to those who buy into the myth so what i can say. Your dishonest if you really believe that we are all liers because we refuse to believe your stories, Your the ones knocking on our doors trying to feed us the stuff and we are the bad guys your church wont let outsiders investigate your grounds because they know perfectly well they will be discredited.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor You know that your org. is laughed at by science you can say what you want your to comfortable with your faith to give it up because its embarrassing to know the real truth. Am atheist because i know there is too many errors in your book, way to many to be divine even one shred of evidence wouldn't good enough for the book of mormon to be legit. You honesty believe your book of mormon is perfect? if so your the big lie to yourself, My thoughts no disrespect here.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan
Laughed at by science! Oh dear. I guess we should just fold up shop then and go fishing......GRIN! I have bad news for you, and then REAL bad news for you. You are truly naive and wet behind the ears. NO ONE in Mormonism thinks the BofM is *perfect* You completely misunderstand
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Its not my concern what others think really its what i have studied for myself. Yes the church is good for somethings but really it doesn't provide good enough evidences is all i mean give the members something other then blind faith i am tired of just having faith its not proof or very comforting. Its fair to ask for perfection when a book claims to be inspired by divine and to base ones whole reality on. If a book claims all knowledge it should be with out error.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan
Your strawman was beautifully set up and beautifully knocked down by yourself. My you mist be so proud to demolish your own assumptions. That is the beginning of Wisdom after all. Nowhere, and I mean nowhere does the Book of Mormon even claim to possess all knowledge. You truly have NOT read NOR understood the Book of Mormon have you? No need to lie, your silly assumptions are proof you are unfamiliar with it.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor I know its asking a lot but a book inspired by a great super spirit should have a least some perfection to it when i went through the bible i throw it out just going into the old testament i said that was very anti-human and no way that could be from divine powers. The book of mormon is a biproduct of the bible and if its flawed the book of mormon has to be flawed as well much like the Quran.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan
LOL! You are nowhere even in the ball park with these vast assumptions. But hey, it's fun to see you review the typical anti-Mormon stances and ignore the incredible scholarship done on just these exact issues. Were you half honest, even HALF honest, you would look at ALL angles, instead of only the silly negative ones. But in the phony name of objectivity, don't let my disbelief in your disbelief way you from subjectively drawing false conclusions from strawman arguments
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor I don't want to sound anti-mormon but the weapon on this video wasn't invented in the time of what your book of mormon claims so i don't see how this is relevant it sounds like his trying to tie it in with the book of mormon when it can't if the stories predate this technology.
wachnathan 1 year ago 11
@wachnathan
You, of course, miss the entire significance of the information in the video. ALL the vast research is available online at the Neal A. Maxwell Institute. Were you honestly seeking to understand and know, you would go there and read for years like the rest of us have. You may actually learn something - heaven forbid!
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor I have looked up this information and its realistic only to its real culture but it has nothing to do with your book of mormon the technology is not the same the culture isn't the same in fact am looking at the line in the book that says steel swords or maybe you don't know your elements obsidian is not steel its nothing like it period. You can't change the definitions of the words in the book of mormon they are clearly defined as being what it says they are.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Your debunked and the church is a lie if it thinks we are suppose to by into this idea.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan
when was the wood sword invented ? Do you have the referrence?
mrridgerunner 9 months ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Didn't Joseph Smith himself say, The BOM was the most perfect book ever written?
skokanr 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor You are right. Joseph Smith did not say Book of Mormon was "perfect". He did say that it was the most "correct" of any book on earth. Also the Lord allowed 11 others, not just Joseph Smith, to view the plates and be witness to the truth and divinity of The Book of Mormon. I am not a Mormon so I can understand the confusion.
centoguzzi 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Two things have come to light in this conversation. The minute I say BYU..You suddenly take notice as if BYU has more achaeological knowledge than anyone else. Second, anything not provided by your church, in your estimation, is either tainted or skewed. This tells me you refuse to look at information for what it is. Rather, you have preconceived notions based on your beliefs, and will continue to rationalize any scenario out there in an attempt to prove your testimony.
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@theboofooguy
I asked you for SPECIFICS. I want NAMES of the so-called scholars who have visited BYU and done what you attribute to them. You obviously are in the know, so I want to learn. Are you going to share, or are you going to remain secret about these mysterious (fictional more like it) scholars. I am NOT refusing to look at information, I AM BEGGING YOU FOR IT. GIVE ME THE NAMES.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor John L Sorenson, Professor of Anthropology, and Sociology a BYU. In his paper on BYU Studies Volume 16, No.3, (Spring 1976) pages 429-432. Dr. Sorenson discusses the lack of Anthropoligical evidence, and how he feels that so called "experts" are doing more of a disservice to the church attempting to offer proof when there is none. His assertion is that: " There are impressive findings that make it difficult to explain away the BOM. Such evidence is NOT "proof" con
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Someone like you is dangerous. Dangerous because you "think" you have knowledge. You offer ONLY the information that supports your beliefs. This is NOT the scientific method, and is NOT truthful. Yet you consider yourself a "truth seeker?" You are nothing more than a rationalist who preys on like minded people, searching to make things "fit."
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@theboofooguy
Yeah, yeah, dangerous. This ain't no refutation of anything I have said or written. But hey, call me something sinister and sure enough, you can excuse yourself of doing the hard work of learning as I am doing. What a cop out. You aren't dangerous at all, you are just plain bankrupt.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor but represents indications of plausibility that demand further attention. He says it clear as day. THERE IS NO PROOF! He says it could be plausible. I can make many arguments that can make Santa Claus "plausible." And he speaking to people just like yourself. People who think they're helping the churches cause with their rationalizations...
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@theboofooguy
Shows how little you understand or read scholarship. There are rarely, if ever, ANY scholars who use PROOF as a premise for historical research. Plausibility is precisely what is demanded, not proof. Rookies and amateurs demand proof, but professionals know better. I suggest you seriously get in touch with real scholarship, not the pseudo-babble you present.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor It is word for word as it was stated.. You're right.. These BYU guys can only offer pseudo babble.. Read for yourself... Learn the truth..
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor It's been fun...But you offer NOTHING... Learn a little about your own faith... You're doing nothing but embarrassing yourself, and your cult..
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@theboofooguy
LOL! Oh yeah, yeah, on your say so, you betchta. Then just go away and quit wasting your time here.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor I leave with my favorite quote from Elder Packer that best describes the integrity of the mormon church. "Some things that are true, just aren't useful." What a crock... Stupid is as stupid does... And you more than "does" your part..
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@theboofooguy
Um.... it is true that my toe nails are quite a weird shape. This is truth, but just how useful is it in say, understanding the significance of the Greek meaning of Logos? I side with Elder Packer all the way, some truth is more useful than other truth. He spoke THE truth on that one. I figured you would be in disagreement, seeing the uselessness you have been posting here for days.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor I'll finish this with a true assessment as to archaeological validity of the BOM. "The Smithsonian Institute has NEVER used the BOM in ANY way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian Archaeologist see NO DIRECT CONNECTION between the archaeology of the New World, and the subject matter of the book. If the BOM is a history,(as the LDS church claims) it should stand up as such. But it does NOT. The Smithsonian is THE last word in archaeology in the Americas.
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@theboofooguy
HOWLING LAUGHTER! No it certainly is NOT the final word on archaeology. Man what an amateur ding-a-ling you are.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor I've offered information you said didn't exist. And all you can do is call me names? Who's the ding-a-ling? I'll go away when you do.. Quit lying to people. Quit trying to act intelligent when you obviously know nothing. As long as you keep lying... I'll keep calling you a liar.. Even your beloved byu clowns can't prove anything.. Your all chasing the same lame lies.
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@theboofooguy
You offered me NOTHING but a mere opinion, and its an outdated opinion at that. You keep calling me a liar without the evidence, and I will simply block yer sorry butt. Produce some evidence, or go away. I have far more important things to do than argue with an over emotional nutjob who knows nothing but parroting others' lame arguments, and who obviously cannot think for himself.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor John Gee, BYU Egyptologist, regarding FAIR's claims that the "Caractor" document shows PROOF that the Mic Mac Indians language was a derivative of "reformed Egyption." "LDS studies of "reformed Egyption" are necessarily limited to whatever linguistic evidence might be discovered in the text of the BOM plus extant seven line "Caractors" document that may or may not be the characters said to have been copied from the golden plates.[14] Some mormons have attempted to (cont)
theboofooguy 1 year ago
@theboofooguy
You one funny guy.......
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor decipher the "Caractors" document. According to BYU Egyptologist, John Gee: " the corpus is NOT large enough to render decipherment feasible." A "true" Egyptologist showing that FAIR's assertions are wrong and that there is NOTHING to show "reformed Egyption" ever existed. I'm sure he had to dance around how he worded everything, in an attempt to not embarrass FAIR's claims, and therefore the mormon church.
theboofooguy 1 year ago
Their overall goal is very simple, Choir President Mac Christensen says. "We just want each broadcast to be a little better than the last one."
omiolo 1 year ago
LOL Stretch!
tjr3838 1 year ago
these are no where near the same swords spoken about in the BOM. clutching for straws again.
lunabranwen 1 year ago
@lunabranwen
The account and research does not say they are the same swords, DUH! Nice strawman, I am sure you feel oh so comfy knocking it down and pretending to superior refutation. Thanks for the entertainment though.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
there they are nit picking again, for the fact they have no solid evidence. how sad. they point to the native persons of America, Mexico and Central America as Nephites and Lamanites. their is 0% recorded history of any of this. dna research has shown that these peoples are decended from parts of Asia. where are the hundreds of elephant bones and chariots? the Mayan temples were built by the MAYANS! who in ancient times originated from parts of Asia. all of these peoples are documented. SCAM!
lunabranwen 1 year ago
That weapon he is talking about couldn't cut a dog in half this is a radically ridiculous claim that has been debunked this is mormons lying again to save face.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan
We Mormons are NOT claiming this, you silly man. The actual records of the Spaniards in their wars recorded this. DUH! So we read the historical record, and you want history, but you won't believe it? Now who are the closed minded dopes around here?
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
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"...And I beheld his sword, and I drew it forth from the sheath thereof; and the hilt thereof was PURE GOLD, and the workmanship thereof was exeedingly fine, and I saw that the blade thereof was of the more precious STEEL..." 1 Nephi 4:9
fordescortpony 1 year ago
"...And I beheld his sword, and I drew it forth from the sheath thereof; and the hilt thereof was PURE GOLD, and the workmanship thereof was exeedingly fine, and I saw that the blade thereof was of the more precious STEEL..." 1 Nephi 4:9
fordescortpony 1 year ago
Great video! Thanks!
filsderobin 1 year ago
I think in the BOM there's accounts of horses and chariots.
Funny isn't it that not one "Native American" had a horse or ever thought of making anything like a wheel when Europeans got here in the 1500s and 1600s.
Any "evidence" for the BOM has to be a stretch to say the least.
HonkIfYouLoveHonking 1 year ago
@HonkIfYouLoveHonking They found horse bones dating 2000-2500 years in the Yucatan I believe.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner According to National Geographic (a more credible source than you, I'm sorry to say) they died off in N. America at least 10,000 years ago. If you go to the wikipedia article on Mustangs and click on #6 reference at the bottom it will take you to the National Geo. article I read.
HonkIfYouLoveHonking 1 year ago
@HonkIfYouLoveHonking Check how long ago the said that because they discovered some 2500 year old ones in 2007 or 08.
masterskyrunner 1 year ago
@masterskyrunner I cant' find even one article about 2500 year old horse bones. I see some Mormon sources, but they have an agenda of course. As you know.
HonkIfYouLoveHonking 1 year ago
BLAH BLAH BLAH DONT YOU FEEL GUILTY ABOUT THIS SHIT? i couldnt get up and lie about a bunch of crap and then call my self a professor, i would feel guilty. but i guess it takes atheism to have morals
drinkmoresoda 1 year ago 2
Are you kidding me there is a huge difference between a sword and that blunt weapon which would fall apart if it hit a horse this video is mormon propaganda not realistic history. I really wish you people would get it right and stop trying to shape history to fit your dam bible.
wachnathan 1 year ago
@wachnathan
So the eye witness who described the event and who was there, is nuts, but you, lo these many hundreds of years and thousands of miles removed know the reality eh? Wow, thanks for informing me.
Thebackyardfreemason 1 year ago
@Thebackyardfreemason Well real historians aren't theists like this guy and they disagree with that do your research and then come bla bla bla on me comrade your like every mormon ive ever met a brainwashed nut case.
wachnathan 1 year ago
Joining President Monson for the dedication ceremonies were President Dieter F. Uchtdorf, second counselor in the First Presidency; Elder Russell M. Nelson of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles; Elder William R. Walker of the Quorums of the Seventy and executive director of the church's temple department, the wives of the latter three leaders and the East Europe Area presidency.
omiolo 1 year ago
Ukrainian church members will be pleased to welcome their peers from neighboring nations to visit the church's 134th operating temple worldwide and the 11th on the European continent.
President Monson is the first LDS Church president to visit Ukraine since a 2002 conference at Kiev's Palats Ukraina concert hall featured President Gordon B. Hinckley.
omiolo 1 year ago
And it doesn't belong to the Latter-day Saints who live in the nine Eastern European nations that comprise the temple district, from Armenia to Moldova and from Russia to Belorussia.
"It is your temple now," said LDS Church President Thomas S. Monson in the opening cornerstone ceremonies of the first of Sunday's three dedication services. "But in a few minutes, we will give it to the Lord."
omiolo 1 year ago
You sound like your so excited about the fairy tail your telling...Your totally jumping off the planet conceptually without an actual developmental fact you've leaped over the moon with a conclussion. Do you assume your talking to complete idiots?
TheWingwind 1 year ago
well then where's the millions of your wooden swords?
TheWingwind 1 year ago
they are not steel swords. Talk all you want about what the spanish found or columbus they did not find steel swords. Not found then or to this day. Not found.
Another demonstration that there is simply not steel swords clearly mentioned in Smiths tale of the hebrew American Indians.
kramd1 1 year ago
This is a whole lot of quotes that don't say anything. All I get from it is that the Spanish used the word "swords" as a simile to put the primitive weapons in some sort of context. These were a group of people who got really good at making stone weapons. The Spanish had steel, did they describe any situation where these people had steel as a technology at any time? Was there ant remnants of this steel technology?
ptango101 1 year ago
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BruderIsidore 1 year ago
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BruderIsidore 1 year ago
It amazes me that you actually attempt defending this religion. I suppose you must, given your situation. I am glad you've at least found something to occupy your time and keep you pleased. Don't spread misinformation, mind you. I don't think you'll have to worry about anyone taking you too seriously outside the LDS community.
MrBeerReview 1 year ago
you are wrong about that a good bit
timothy4602 1 year ago
Great video. I am actually making a maquital (however it is spelled) just for reference in FHE these type of things bring the BOM to life. Although there is strict references to steele in the BOM it doesn't mean that the knowledge of how to make these type of swords wasn't eventually lost. We know the people went from being industrious to becoming blood thirsty warmongers...thus a true decline in civilization resulting in the loss of swords like the Sword of Laben and the use of maquitals.
kidlivene 1 year ago
It just keeps getting better and better, Maybe you should re-edit the book of Mormon, Do away with all those pesky little details that cause people so much trouble:) I love it...Has anyone checked on the moon or mars for ZARAHEMLA OR BOUNTIFUL, Go figure
manowar40 1 year ago
@manowar40
Yeah, that would be *your* logical place of checking all right.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor I was only joking about Zarahemla and bountiful, Can't say one way or another if they exsisted. It would be interesting though if there was some evidence to suggest they did exsist:) Kerry Shirts, play nice!!!
manowar40 1 year ago
@manowar40
I promise you with all my heart I *WAS* playing nice. If I get seriously mean, yer gonna weep.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
1 Nephi 4:9:"And I beheld his(Laban's) sword...and the hilt thereof was of pure gold, and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine, and I saw that the blade thereof was of the most precious steel."
beersniper400 1 year ago
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beurbestnow 1 year ago
@beurbestnow
Yes they do, your mere assertion to the complete contrary. Copper scroll ***PROVES*** writing anciently on metal. Gee there's one. The overuse, as it were, of Isaiah, yet another point in favor of the BofM emphasis on Isaiah. Gee, there's 2 right off the top of my head without using any brain cells whatever.
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
Relief Society presidencies both at the ward and stake level need to make sure they are working in the same direction as the priesthood leaders, she said.
Sister Barbara Thompson, second counselor in the presidency, spoke about the Church's welfare program and the Relief Society's role in compassionate service. Leaders are not expected to minister to sisters and do everything alone.
omiolo 1 year ago
"You need to find out [the bishop's goals] so you can work in harmony with your bishop and he will support you in your efforts and in your meetings," Sister Allred said. "We would ask you to discuss this with your bishops and your stake presidencies, how you could strengthen the working relationship between the Relief Society president and the priesthood leader."
omiolo 1 year ago
explain:
1 Nephi 4: 6 And I beheld his sword ...andI saw the blade thereof ...of steel.
Ether 7: 9 ...and made swords out of steel.
1 Hephi 16:18....a bow made of fine steel...
Oh professor,
You only quote the parts that suit your argument.
I bet when you have your muesli breakfast you take out the bits you don't like too.
kramd1 1 year ago
@kramd1
you first and third steel came from the OLD world!
Or did you NOT know that?
omiolo 1 year ago
explain:
1 Nephi 4: 6 And I beheld his sword ...andI saw the blade thereof ...of steel.
Ether 7: 9 ...and made swords out of steel.
1 Hephi 16:18....a bow made of fine steel...
Oh professor,
You only quote the parts that suit your argument.
I bet when you have your muesli breakfast you take out the bits you don't like too.
kramd1 1 year ago
We, with Jesus, can walk the path of obedience.
It will not be easy. "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered." (Heb. 5:8.) Let our watchword be the heritage bequeathed us by Samuel: "Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams." (1 Sam. 15:22.) Let us remember that the end result of disobedience is captivity and death, while the reward for obedience is liberty and eternal life.
omiolo 2 years ago
WASHINGTON, D.C.
A colorful exhibit highlighting Latter-day Saint families from around the world recently opened at the Washington D.C. Temple Visitors Center. "Eternal Families Worldwide" will remain through April 11. It is open during regular visitors center hours, 10 a.m.-9 p.m.
omiolo 2 years ago
Washington DC Visitors Center hosts international families exhibit
omiolo 2 years ago