i'd rather watch tigers go extinct than watch them end up like cows or chickens. yeah, eating them will technically keep them alive, if you call that a life.
90% of those polled say they support the ban but 50% of the people in that poll admit to consume tiger products. That's like a vegetarian going across state lines to sneak a burger; only to protest a Wendy's when they return.
"Our method's working, but to a certain degree it hasn't had a chance to work." The scene in Chinatown showing how easily tigers can be obtained only proves the black market doesn't care about law. Stewartship and privatization can truly save our animals.
@veggiewarriors You would say something like that! You know what that means to me is you can't even have an intelligent conversation or debate about this because you don't know how to or you know that I am right!
@veggiewarriors This makes total sense and is the only way to save tigers! Just look at the evidence! It totally works! We took up all their resources and we are not living back in the 1700's or whatever! Their habitat is totally diminished and the poachers are going to keep doing it! Kinda like the same thing with legalizing marijuana for medical purposes!
At 5:29 she lies through her teeth - "By my calculations" Based on her body language I might guess she picked a number out of thin air. And I love how planners ALWAYS say their plan hasn't had a chance to work yet - Sort of like MediCare and SS
Stossel is right about to how save animals in so far as they are marketable. The question is how to save endangered species that no one wants but are affected by other forms of human activity. Hunting is not the only thing that threatens animals. I'm not for governments bending over backwards to save every creature on the planet (obviously nature itself is more than willing to let species die off.) Unmarketable species can't be saved (if that is the goal) by farming. Just food for thought.
Farming animals to protect them is an oversimplistic solution.
He gives an example of factory farm chickens. But look at the conditions they are raised in. And they're not hunted otherwise that the factory farm provides a way in which we can "protect" them.
@veggiewarriors - So your saying the argument is right - but you have a moral problem with the practice - If we improve their conditions your ok with it.
@veggiewarriors - So I should lie to make my point? Your logic IS sound! in fact its so obvious it gets overlooked. Had she said that, I probably wouldn't have left a comment. But instead she chose to lie. No animal does get saved. However the species does. That logic is as sound as well. All things being equal (and i'll stipulate they are not) EVERY animal alive is going to die one way or the other. The question becomes can you sacrifice some emotional conviction for a rational one.
the Bison are a perfect example ...hell If we put a ban on farming beef and selling beef products ... The Common Cow/Bull would become endangered after a decade. Some Environmentalist are complete fucking idiots and can't see the Forrest for the trees. It saved the Bison that much is clear and can't be debated. Hunting them to the brink of extinction was short sited and wrong sure ...but putting a ban on farming them and selling them..would be even more retarded and short sited.
If we make animals a marketable product (cut to clip of gigantic DELICIOUS steak then cut to clip of tiger) they will be saved. Hahahaha, John Stossel kicks ass
@StewartLucrative If they aren't financially viable, nobody will hunt them legally or illegally. If we'd ban farming of aunts tomorrow, would we have a shortage? No. It would be one of many totally useless laws.
@StewartLucrative Fine; but than these species die because of reasons other than human hunting. Let natural selection do its work. Species come and go.
Just one more thing...one has to admit a bison is more akin to a herd animal, not a tiger, or a wolf, which are carnivores. These are not chicken, or pigs. Tigers would it seems to me, be hard to domesticate. Whether you adopt my vegan position on farming or not, farmed tigers would likely maul farm-workers because they just don't behave like longhorns or sheep, or bison. So for human ethics as well as animals' farming tigers is a poor idea.
@HumidNightblueFruit right because people who would be farming tigers are held at gunpoint to do it. they choose that job and they know the risks. and you aren't trying to make them behave that way. but since there would be an incentive to find a way to produce them they would work in the animals own frame of reference to help reproduce them to the best of there abilities.
@HumidNightblueFruit Lol ...you cite "science" in yer previous post yet totally overlook it at the same time. U can comprehend that yer common domesticated Pig ..wasn't always domesticated correct ? U understand that Swine can also exist in the wild ... Wild Bores for instance ...they kill other animals btw sherlock and we have domesticated them just fine. For fuck sakes the household cat ...u think they just came into existance magically? Dogs ? Basically any mammal can be farmed lol.
@Wonglow I'm not sure what I've done to offend you, nor did you seem to understand the context of my citation of science. I was arguing that it is wrong to factory farm animals based on their conscious awareness and capacity for pain, not to save already endangered species from extinction. It's morally wrong to farm tigers, for this main reason. Swine existing in the wild, who kill other animals do not moral obligations as they aren't moral agents. The animals a cow came from (an auroch) CONT
@Wonglow CONT from before is extinct. The aurochs were eliminated by hunters and changed completely into domestic cattle by genetic manipulation. So this is a case where farming turned out to cause an extinction. As human beings we have something called ethics that animals don't. Therefore we have obligations to act in certain ways wild boars and tigers do not.
John Stossel I'm afraid commits the fallacy of biased statistics. He cites the reintroduction of bison into America, but he fails to mention the reintroduction of wolves in Yellowstone, which were not farmed into large numbers. Stossel seems to suggest the ONLY solution is farming tigers in order to save the tigers, or the typical "the free market will save us in the end because people want tiger products." Farming is always wrong, whether from cows or tigers. Supply and demand won't change that
Farming is wrong because science supports data affirming the complexity of animal awareness and sentience, that we do not differ so much from animals, but we are an evolutionary continuation of them. This might seem anecdotal to talk about farming ethics instead of tigers, but one always has to come to it, if the solution is supposed to be farming! AND tigers are not domesticated animal, bison are bovine so they will act more domesticated than most animals, tigers won't.
@HumidNightblueFruit Yellowstone is public property and is poorly regulated because no one has any real incentive to regulate it. and look at safari land reserves in africa. those help preserve animals well because many want to go and hunt big game so in order to keep making money they issue a limited number of licenses, and they make sure to watch over the population and issue the licenses based on the population levels. it has worked there. plus the 1000s of jobs for natives and higher wages.
I agree and I don't. Sure you can have tiger farms and have more tigers, but if they are like most animal farms I think the tiger rather be dead than live a terrible life of abuse. I agree to keep tigers farms for tourist but not for consumption.
@MrYJ99 What does it matter? If we have 5 million tigers that are "unhappy". We still have 5 million tigers. Right now there is only thousands. Do you feel the same way about cows and chickens? In the US there are still some wild bison. We don't kill them anymore because we don't need to. We can raise the bison on farms and kill them for meat and fur. Did the bison look "unhappy" in the video to you? I think you have been listening to PETA to much.
@karozans Well, I don't listen to PETA and I think they are idiots. But it doesn't mean that there isn't cruelty against animals just because we don't agree with these nut jobs. I do feel the same about cows,chickens and pigs..but I do admit I eat them.
@karozans and as for "unhappy" tigers....they will be more than unhappy..if they are farmed in African countries, they will most certainly be in terrible conditions..they will just be kept alive to provide parts to consumers(Asian countries). If you think they will be roaming the wild or living in zoos and having a good old time, you are in la la land.
@MrYJ99 Of course, if poor people try to farm them, the tigers would be in very poor health. But you still have to let people use their resources in order to help pull themselves out of poverty. Then things will get better for all (including the tigers). It was like that in the USA not to long ago. If you could sell a tiger fur coat it would cost $100,000. Who would buy a $100,000 fur coat from a ratty old sick tiger? No one. So that would give tiger ranchers the incentive to take...
@MrYJ99 great care of their tigers. The people who starved and beat their animals would not last for long, they would go out of business. The tiger ranchers that too care of their animals and produced the best products would make millions. Don't you see that is how it works with cows, bison, alligator, ostrich and so on. It would work with tigers, elephants, rhinos, and etc. too. Imagine that it was legal for ranchers to raise an elephant to harvest it's tusks. You don't even need to...
@MrYJ99 kill the elephant to harvest the tusks. So imagine if you could raise an elephant from baby until full grown. Sedate it. Cut off the tusks to a reasonable length. Replace the tusk with a steel one (it has been done before). Then let the animal loose in the wild. Two things would happen, you would have 100,000 elephants, plus you could sell the ivory for $500,000 a pop. Where is the harm in that? If you would caught mistreating the animals no one would buy the products.
I don't buy wild/unsustainablely caught fish, veal, or support any killing of endangered animals, but if a tiger pelt is legally selling from a tiger that was legally farmed... I might think about it...
If animals are raised specifically for food or any marketable practice, poachers have no reason to kill the wildlife. Stossel is right. Government/activist solutions never work.
Does anyone know where I can buy a bison tenderloin? Really, that looks delicious. And really do you think we could ban the hunting of deer? Because there are too goddamn many of them here in Michigan. I live in the suburbs and I have to ask them to move when I go out to get my mail.
Its wrong on moral issues and even long-term economic issues. The only reason people still buy a product like tiger-paste (wtf) is because there is a lack of education. They buy the product because they BELIEVE it will do something when in reality it doesnt do squat. And on the economic issue, simply look to the chicken or cow. Its genetic manipulation will have serious concequences in the long-term playing with the fabric of life for making a shit load of money isnt worth the risk.
@ewr317 there are other reasons to 'farm' an animal. He was using the word in the most general sense. The rhinos in africa are rarely hunted for their horns any more.. but you could still very well consider them to be a 'farmed' commodity.
Your argument fails when you let yourself think that the only reason to farm tigers is for tiger paste (which won't go out of style any time soon in China)
@ewr317 It's amazing to me how people will argue till their lungs burst about how evil genetic manipulation of anything is, when they have a nice full stomach, and no worry of how they will fill it again tomorrow.
When you're starving, your family is starving, and there is a chance you might all die, and you still don't want the things that have been genetically engineered to grow larger so you can be fed... THEN! You can tell me how bad it is.
I tell you right now how bad it is. People get cancer from genetically modified "food". Get educated before thinking that THAT is food for you. It's basically poison. People recover from diseases once they change their diet, eating organically grown foods. Can't get a more obvious prof that, if it looks alike it does not mean that is truly alike. Go and get educated about Gerson therapy for cancer. Once people start eating the RIGHT FOODS [real food} they get rid of diseases.
@gigiontube Proof? One word and I shot down your entire argument, because you have NONE!
IN FACT! More people died from things like food poison BEFORE scientists began genetically engineering crops and animals to feed more people on a large scale. And now "organic" food is taking the mantle of most dangerous, as there is no checks and balances system for it.
Once again, I ask you, if you wish to be taken seriously, provide proof that genetically engineered food has EVER killed someone.
Everyone who demonstrated how bad and poisonous GMO is, was taken down by Monsanto. Obviously you are one of their WHORES. They count on this, that no one drops dead once they eat their poisonous food. Poison is accumulated into the body and chronic diseases develop. Doctors pretend not knowing where the diseases come from because they make a hefty living "managing" those diseases. The only way to get rid of those "diseases" is to get rid of the poison from food.And that happens !
the population might increase if animals are farmed, but the animal is never the same. Look what we did to chickens, cows, pigs and other animals we farm. Basically, destroyed them.
WATCH "MEET YOUR MEAT" MOVIE [available on youtube] TO SEE WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO TIGERS AS WELL.
John is not as smart as he thinks he is!!! He should study a little bit deeper the "human behavior" before showing how great the chickens have it because we eat them. Does he want the same fate for the tigers? Hope not.
John Stossel knows shit about nutrition. When he will get cancer he will rush to get the most chemo he can get from the "best" doctor his money will buy and he will be history in no time.
Chickens existed just fine before we farmed them. They were normal birds, not like now, not able to stand on their legs because their breasts are enormous, not to mention the conditions they are raised on.
You get educated. Go and visit a factory farm to see for yourself before you talk.
@gigiontube if in America he's got a good chance..
Do you know why we farm chickens you mental midget? Because it was ALWAYS easy to catch them doofus! They didn't fly, and we clipped their wings so now they don't... They never flew, they barely ran away, and it's easier to catch that then it is an Eagle flying up high in the mountains. Or else we might eat eagle eggs every morning and the chicken would be the one fighting to stay off the endangered list.
You are a mental midget not being able to think for yourself. You tell me where all that roundup poured on the plants go? And all those insecticides? And what is roundup? Can you drink a little bit of that ? Why not ? IS that a poison or not you smart ass? Well, you do drink it when you eat your fucking GMO corn, that's why your brain is not working anymore, Or is Monsanto paying you a load of money to brain wash people on youtube, whore ?
@gigiontube You're the one that is ignoring facts in favor for a group of nutjobs that thinks it's great to fond over days gone by that SUCKED! It's better now then it has ever been in most parts of the world.. Including the food industry.. Genetics and all.
To think that the most regulated industry in the world would somehow be completely unsafe because of something that keeps it around is hysterical. Instead of buying into the hype, do the actual research.
@gigiontube your brilliant deduction says that the world is full of cancer.. without any supporting facts I may add. Let's say this is true.. do you believe that there was not cancer 100 years ago when everything eaten was organic? Or is it more logical to deduce that now we are able to detect cancer, and our ability to detect it improves every month, Therefore more cases are found?
You keep trying to attack me personally. I find debating you somewhat like debating a wall.
@gigiontube Cancer cells ferment sugar, ie carbohydrates. Mostly found in grain, potatoes, fruit, sugar canes and sugar beets, and products made from that; bread, fries, sugar, candy, juice etc. Known since the 20s and discovered by Dr Otto Warburg. Get your facts straight and be polite!
You want to know the absolute proof of the valued animal is protected? Bees.
Seriously. Most every human being hates to have bees around them, yet we are going out of our way to keep them around. Not because we like their sting or buzzing sound or they are cute. It's because we derive benefit from them. And yes, there is genuine concern about the overuse of bees, but think about it. THERE IS GENUINE CONCERN ABOUT BEES. There isn't genuine concern about flies or mosquitoes or wasps...
A ban is a child's tool. To think that you can just ban something and it will stop is either ridiculously naive or ignorant to reason. This ban supporter doesn't seem very open to new ideas but in a hundred years we will see what happens.
The one thing that really bothers me about this clip is the reason he gives for the bison almost going extinct. The real reason why people and the GOVERNMENT were killing bison was to attempt to stamp out the Native Americans. They were trying to deplete their food resources in order to get them to move to the reservations.
For a long time I was purely libertarian------------except for endangered species. I thought they needed protection. I gotta say Stossel keeps surprising me. I think I'm in love.
@emzyk I had a small shark in a glass of embalming fluid as a kid. I thought it was the coolest thing ever! Now imagine if people farmed endangered sharks and sold them in jars? They could advertise that they will release 1 shark into the wild for every 100 sold!
He probably opposes the FAA as well, I suppose after enough of the "inefficicent" airplanes auger in that demand for them will eventually drop to the ground as well.
The one thing I will give Stossel was that at least he was an interesting voice on ABC, now he is just another wacko in the chorus of wackos that is Fox Noise.
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They conveniently left out the PASSENGER PIGEON and COMMON MURRE, just an example of two species that went EXTINCT BECAUSE of commercial exploitation.
tigers are cool. In my city Victoria BC Tiges are banned incase they escape. But then again there are wild bears and animals that can also attack you and cougars
Interesting video. This really needs longer and more sensitive coverage. Largely agree with Stossel, but totally understand where the woman is coming from in regards to the tigers. The argument regarding the rhinos was very different, since the economic incentive to protect them had nothing to do with the horns, and that made perfect sense.
Wouldn't their just be less suffering beings on the planet??? And some Chinese people who can't ignore pain and keep doing whatever it is that is painful because they can drink some tiger.. ffs.. ???
You want tigers around how long? Why?
It's to save humans, but notice that is impossible.
Stringent Regulations, Laws, Police and Militarys that enforce them, just don't work. The illegal product gains ever more in value, to the extent that the law enforcers (Everybody has 'Their' price) make far More money getting 'involved' in the product, than they do in enforcing the law ie; Mexico's drug supply to the hopelessly addicted USA. As John Says..Human Nature. Remember the Golden rule; "Those who have the Gold...Rule".. Enjoy the system, you all seem to vote for it.... Well..most all.
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You guys shouldn't just listen to Stossel's crap. He has has an agenda: he's a libertarian, calls for free market in all areas of life. If you ask him about guns, he'll tell you to deregulate their purchase.
If by that you mean he's trying to advance his point of view then you are absolutely correct. It's not like he tries to hide it. Anyone who watches a few of his stories knows he approaches things from a libertarian point of view. (Hence his popularity among libertarians.) There are plenty of people, Micheal Moore for example, who approach things from a different point of view. It's up to us as viewers to decide if their arguments make sense or not.
@studentofsmith I just don't like ideologues. Stossel, being one, takes anything and applies libertarianism to it: guns, schools, labor unions, etc. Sometimes, instead of looking in the libertarian, conservative or liberal handbook of ideas, one has to has to think about what a situation, for its own sake (not the ideology), happens to call for. My concern was for the posters who eat up his perspective, without understanding that it's not the product of free, critical thought. Take Care.
Wow, so you're telling me government regulation (in this case banning buying and selling of "exotic" animals) doesn't work? It even has unintended consequences and makes things worse? I don't believe it!
The only retards here are those who cling to their anointed vision in spite of reality. As long as there are restaurants like KFC, Churchs, Popeyes, and Chick-fil-A, there will always be chickens!
Which outfit dealing in products made from tigers is going to be more profitable: one that hunts tigers in the wild or one that raises them on a farm? If you said the one that raises them on a farm, then go to the head of the class.
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americans are idiots...farm a tigers...??and what...sell litte tigers for a house pet? these are wild animals...we should save them in their natural environment and not to farm them in a cages...come on...are u retarded or what? wild animal are not a product in a market...next lets famr a zebras and lions...and how do they think to farm them? buil a big arena and throw a cows in ther?
Ever heard of trophy hunting? Many wealthy & notable Americans (G. Bush snr. & jnr. taking just two examples) have partaken in hunting tourism in which they paid to exterminate wild animals in their natural habitat. Lay off the racism, the more I read of what you write the more you disgust me. You are uneducated about world affairs & subhuman in your moral standards. I wouldn't shoot a Tiger but if I saw you through the scope of a hunting rifle I'd have one helluva of an itchy trigger finger...
"wild animal are not a product in a market", ya ok go tell that to any Asian guy.
"next lets famr a zebras and lions...and how do they think to farm them? buil a big arena and throw a cows in ther? ", not even going to comment on this EPIC failure of reasoning. Stick to flipping burgers buddy.
Jesus fucking Christ, can people just THINK for a second before posting here?
This clip is exactly right, no matter how much activists try to out law poaching to raise an animals' population, one thing remains, there's still an underground demand for it without enough resources to have a breeding program. Farming endangered species is a terrific solution, the incentive to keep the species alive solves the population numbers... right? Poaching demand would reach zero as captive populations increase, and wild populations would increase from lack of poaching = Win/Win
Dogs are domesticated animals, tigers are not. Besides that, he is not suggesting raising them as pet, but as food and consumable. Are you one of those idiots who think people should have a right to own balistic missiles because of the 2nd amendment?
Did you watch the whole thing? You ever eat bison? I do and it is delicious. I don't have to worry about the bison I eat being "the last bison" because they are farmed. But if trade in tiger is illegal and no one farms them, only poachers kill them..... well.... is that tiger you are eating (or rubbing on your skin) the last one? Get it? Save them by eating them. Kill them by "conserving" them.
Yeah. If they had farms then poachers would have no reason to disturb the animals in the wild. Those animals would be able to come back and live well. But then there is the problem of the lives of the animals farmed. Some farms are great, letting their animals run free on a lard area of land and live well. Others are cramped and dirty. This is a hard subject, but if it can be balanced out it would be wonderful.
So...the fact that we do not have a shortage of chickens...cows...the fact that the bison went from near extinction to thriving...nothing?
Like the other guy said...did you watch it? I mean on the surface it may seem counterintuitive, sure but dude...look at the EVIDENCE...the NUMBERS...the MATH.
If you make worth more to NOT KILL TIGERS EN MASSE...then...you...don't kill them.
This is kind of fucked up, if not somewhat true. I've thought of this idea as a joke, but I never legitimately considered it. The reason for harvesting tigers is so retarded that I question whether farming is a good idea. Chinese traditional medicine needs to go.
6:11 Stossel's remarks so fucking hilarious.. Stossel's argument is 100% correct. If u farm them you give the poachers no reason to hunt them for bones/hides etc,, just go get em from the farms....
Are you people serious? I would rather tigers go extinct than exist only to be slaughtered. What kind of life is that? What's the point of existence without free will?
eatingconsciously, you'd honestly rather them go extinct? That's harsh. You're not a member of PETA are you? Been to any crazy rallies comparing chicken farms to the holocaust lately?
They wouldn't exist only to be slaughtered, they'd exist as a product to be marketed and in turn protected and guarded because it would be in guard's/tiger farmer's best interests to do so.
They are not going extinct, because there are zoos. But they are going extinct in the wild and caging them doesn't help a bit to solve this particular problem.
I'm not even so sure about the big hearts. I think many environmentalists are trying to gain political control through fear mongering. That isn't to say that every individual environmentalist thinks that way, but I think the organizations like Green peace et al.. are pretty shady.
i'd rather watch tigers go extinct than watch them end up like cows or chickens. yeah, eating them will technically keep them alive, if you call that a life.
UltraProle21 3 days ago
LOL who would've thought eating can save. i agree with john.
hmongak 3 weeks ago
It's funny when I watch these John Stossel videos, usually what you think is the right thing to do turn out to be completely wrong.
TheEllampalli 4 weeks ago
90% of those polled say they support the ban but 50% of the people in that poll admit to consume tiger products. That's like a vegetarian going across state lines to sneak a burger; only to protest a Wendy's when they return.
"Our method's working, but to a certain degree it hasn't had a chance to work." The scene in Chinatown showing how easily tigers can be obtained only proves the black market doesn't care about law. Stewartship and privatization can truly save our animals.
spikedpsycho 1 month ago
Wouldn't say that having chickens in those small cages, would be much of a life..
TheLordDz 1 month ago
I know it sounds evil but you know, lets eat tigers to save them lol
DoctorCapitalist 2 months ago 2
this is hard for me to watch because I LOVE tigers so much. we should do whatever works
theAbeElement 2 months ago
6:12 LOLOLOLOL
Only1Transporter 3 months ago
Wow, this was eye opening. Never thought of that before.
supermandan85 4 months ago
6:11. I love John Stossel hahah epic
BigDaddyDJD 5 months ago
Hey, we banned drugs and solved that problem... oh, maybe not.
o2wow 6 months ago 9
@veggiewarriors You would say something like that! You know what that means to me is you can't even have an intelligent conversation or debate about this because you don't know how to or you know that I am right!
leemehan 7 months ago
@veggiewarriors This makes total sense and is the only way to save tigers! Just look at the evidence! It totally works! We took up all their resources and we are not living back in the 1700's or whatever! Their habitat is totally diminished and the poachers are going to keep doing it! Kinda like the same thing with legalizing marijuana for medical purposes!
leemehan 7 months ago
@leemehan
Shut up.
veggiewarriors 7 months ago
This actually makes a ton of sense.
Chicken aint going extinct anytime soon.
CH3Jason 7 months ago
At 5:29 she lies through her teeth - "By my calculations" Based on her body language I might guess she picked a number out of thin air. And I love how planners ALWAYS say their plan hasn't had a chance to work yet - Sort of like MediCare and SS
xl0l0l0l0lx 7 months ago
That was FUCKING AWESOME! I never thought of it like that.....
itubeutube4u 7 months ago
Stossel is right about to how save animals in so far as they are marketable. The question is how to save endangered species that no one wants but are affected by other forms of human activity. Hunting is not the only thing that threatens animals. I'm not for governments bending over backwards to save every creature on the planet (obviously nature itself is more than willing to let species die off.) Unmarketable species can't be saved (if that is the goal) by farming. Just food for thought.
darlinglittlemammy 7 months ago
Tiger farms are like puppy mills for tigers.
veggiewarriors 7 months ago
Stossel is a sellout to the corporations that own and abuse exotic animals.
veggiewarriors 7 months ago
Farming animals to protect them is an oversimplistic solution.
He gives an example of factory farm chickens. But look at the conditions they are raised in. And they're not hunted otherwise that the factory farm provides a way in which we can "protect" them.
veggiewarriors 7 months ago
@veggiewarriors - So your saying the argument is right - but you have a moral problem with the practice - If we improve their conditions your ok with it.
xl0l0l0l0lx 7 months ago
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veggiewarriors 7 months ago
@xl0l0l0l0lx
Ridiculous theories beget ridiculous practices.
The argument is ridiculous b/c we don't farm chickens with the intention of saving them from extinction.
We mass produce them to cater to the nutritional needs of our gluttonous population.
But no animal is saved. Farm animals die a brutal, premature death.
veggiewarriors 7 months ago
@veggiewarriors - So I should lie to make my point? Your logic IS sound! in fact its so obvious it gets overlooked. Had she said that, I probably wouldn't have left a comment. But instead she chose to lie. No animal does get saved. However the species does. That logic is as sound as well. All things being equal (and i'll stipulate they are not) EVERY animal alive is going to die one way or the other. The question becomes can you sacrifice some emotional conviction for a rational one.
xl0l0l0l0lx 7 months ago
I could tell that right from the beginning that she wasn't going to actually listen to him.
She already seems to be set in her ways.
I've always believed that if one way doesn't work, than another solution is needed.
It would be nice if bans actually worked, but when something is forbidden the more tempting it becomes.
IAmSuperWeirdGal 7 months ago
All these groups always neglect human nature. You can't enforce a law that most people won't even listen to.
jpzxcvbnm 8 months ago
Another example of an environmental/social issues solved with the embrace of property rights.
liltimy1850 8 months ago
"Let me tell you about a survey" oh boy let me get the boots on.
Xantheus07 8 months ago
the Bison are a perfect example ...hell If we put a ban on farming beef and selling beef products ... The Common Cow/Bull would become endangered after a decade. Some Environmentalist are complete fucking idiots and can't see the Forrest for the trees. It saved the Bison that much is clear and can't be debated. Hunting them to the brink of extinction was short sited and wrong sure ...but putting a ban on farming them and selling them..would be even more retarded and short sited.
Wonglow 8 months ago
people that kill this tigers or other "exotic" animals seem to be uneducated...
klezekpaulo 8 months ago
why not allow human hunters who hunt the hunters as the reserve wardens....?
Orkosghost 8 months ago
If we make animals a marketable product (cut to clip of gigantic DELICIOUS steak then cut to clip of tiger) they will be saved. Hahahaha, John Stossel kicks ass
f123raptor 9 months ago
@f123raptor I was thinking the same thing about that steak. Made me hungry.
dinkidow 8 months ago
Although I don't like the idea of making wild animals marketable, I do agree it would save them they will have more value
stevntylertoy 9 months ago
The animal that we probably can't fix is the bluefin tuna
PoliticalWeekly 10 months ago
6:30 what a bitch.
greenghost2008 11 months ago
This works great with species that are financially viable. But what about the species that aren't profitable?
StewartLucrative 1 year ago
@StewartLucrative If they aren't financially viable, nobody will hunt them legally or illegally. If we'd ban farming of aunts tomorrow, would we have a shortage? No. It would be one of many totally useless laws.
PJCelis 1 year ago
@PJCelis There are many endangered species no one hunts. they are at risk because of habitat destruction or polluted ecosystems.
StewartLucrative 1 year ago
@StewartLucrative Fine; but than these species die because of reasons other than human hunting. Let natural selection do its work. Species come and go.
PJCelis 1 year ago
John Stossel seems to be a very smart man. Sad that his show isnt aired in germany! I might have heard of him earlier.
Makkus78 1 year ago
Farming tigers? They're not domesticated animals and the cost to farm and feed them en masse? I couldn't imagine.
Vercettislugger 1 year ago
Just one more thing...one has to admit a bison is more akin to a herd animal, not a tiger, or a wolf, which are carnivores. These are not chicken, or pigs. Tigers would it seems to me, be hard to domesticate. Whether you adopt my vegan position on farming or not, farmed tigers would likely maul farm-workers because they just don't behave like longhorns or sheep, or bison. So for human ethics as well as animals' farming tigers is a poor idea.
HumidNightblueFruit 1 year ago
@HumidNightblueFruit right because people who would be farming tigers are held at gunpoint to do it. they choose that job and they know the risks. and you aren't trying to make them behave that way. but since there would be an incentive to find a way to produce them they would work in the animals own frame of reference to help reproduce them to the best of there abilities.
jubeikiba6 1 year ago
@HumidNightblueFruit Lol ...you cite "science" in yer previous post yet totally overlook it at the same time. U can comprehend that yer common domesticated Pig ..wasn't always domesticated correct ? U understand that Swine can also exist in the wild ... Wild Bores for instance ...they kill other animals btw sherlock and we have domesticated them just fine. For fuck sakes the household cat ...u think they just came into existance magically? Dogs ? Basically any mammal can be farmed lol.
Wonglow 8 months ago
@Wonglow I'm not sure what I've done to offend you, nor did you seem to understand the context of my citation of science. I was arguing that it is wrong to factory farm animals based on their conscious awareness and capacity for pain, not to save already endangered species from extinction. It's morally wrong to farm tigers, for this main reason. Swine existing in the wild, who kill other animals do not moral obligations as they aren't moral agents. The animals a cow came from (an auroch) CONT
HumidNightblueFruit 7 months ago
@Wonglow CONT from before is extinct. The aurochs were eliminated by hunters and changed completely into domestic cattle by genetic manipulation. So this is a case where farming turned out to cause an extinction. As human beings we have something called ethics that animals don't. Therefore we have obligations to act in certain ways wild boars and tigers do not.
HumidNightblueFruit 7 months ago
John Stossel I'm afraid commits the fallacy of biased statistics. He cites the reintroduction of bison into America, but he fails to mention the reintroduction of wolves in Yellowstone, which were not farmed into large numbers. Stossel seems to suggest the ONLY solution is farming tigers in order to save the tigers, or the typical "the free market will save us in the end because people want tiger products." Farming is always wrong, whether from cows or tigers. Supply and demand won't change that
HumidNightblueFruit 1 year ago
@HumidNightblueFruit
Farming is wrong because science supports data affirming the complexity of animal awareness and sentience, that we do not differ so much from animals, but we are an evolutionary continuation of them. This might seem anecdotal to talk about farming ethics instead of tigers, but one always has to come to it, if the solution is supposed to be farming! AND tigers are not domesticated animal, bison are bovine so they will act more domesticated than most animals, tigers won't.
HumidNightblueFruit 1 year ago
@HumidNightblueFruit Yellowstone is public property and is poorly regulated because no one has any real incentive to regulate it. and look at safari land reserves in africa. those help preserve animals well because many want to go and hunt big game so in order to keep making money they issue a limited number of licenses, and they make sure to watch over the population and issue the licenses based on the population levels. it has worked there. plus the 1000s of jobs for natives and higher wages.
jubeikiba6 1 year ago
"You didn't drink the punch did you"
i just imagine it panning back to him eating a tiger leg.
TheWhiteRabbit1990 1 year ago
You can tell that every single guest on John Stossel's show that goes against his opinions is just full of shit the minute they open their mouth.
jeffsandychelsea 1 year ago 5
I agree and I don't. Sure you can have tiger farms and have more tigers, but if they are like most animal farms I think the tiger rather be dead than live a terrible life of abuse. I agree to keep tigers farms for tourist but not for consumption.
MrYJ99 1 year ago
@MrYJ99 What does it matter? If we have 5 million tigers that are "unhappy". We still have 5 million tigers. Right now there is only thousands. Do you feel the same way about cows and chickens? In the US there are still some wild bison. We don't kill them anymore because we don't need to. We can raise the bison on farms and kill them for meat and fur. Did the bison look "unhappy" in the video to you? I think you have been listening to PETA to much.
karozans 1 year ago
@karozans Well, I don't listen to PETA and I think they are idiots. But it doesn't mean that there isn't cruelty against animals just because we don't agree with these nut jobs. I do feel the same about cows,chickens and pigs..but I do admit I eat them.
MrYJ99 1 year ago
@karozans and as for "unhappy" tigers....they will be more than unhappy..if they are farmed in African countries, they will most certainly be in terrible conditions..they will just be kept alive to provide parts to consumers(Asian countries). If you think they will be roaming the wild or living in zoos and having a good old time, you are in la la land.
MrYJ99 1 year ago
@MrYJ99 Of course, if poor people try to farm them, the tigers would be in very poor health. But you still have to let people use their resources in order to help pull themselves out of poverty. Then things will get better for all (including the tigers). It was like that in the USA not to long ago. If you could sell a tiger fur coat it would cost $100,000. Who would buy a $100,000 fur coat from a ratty old sick tiger? No one. So that would give tiger ranchers the incentive to take...
karozans 1 year ago
@MrYJ99 great care of their tigers. The people who starved and beat their animals would not last for long, they would go out of business. The tiger ranchers that too care of their animals and produced the best products would make millions. Don't you see that is how it works with cows, bison, alligator, ostrich and so on. It would work with tigers, elephants, rhinos, and etc. too. Imagine that it was legal for ranchers to raise an elephant to harvest it's tusks. You don't even need to...
karozans 1 year ago
@MrYJ99 kill the elephant to harvest the tusks. So imagine if you could raise an elephant from baby until full grown. Sedate it. Cut off the tusks to a reasonable length. Replace the tusk with a steel one (it has been done before). Then let the animal loose in the wild. Two things would happen, you would have 100,000 elephants, plus you could sell the ivory for $500,000 a pop. Where is the harm in that? If you would caught mistreating the animals no one would buy the products.
karozans 1 year ago
Harrison Ford - "When the buying stops, the killing can too!"
Yeah, sure... but hey - dumbass Harrison Ford-types... WE AREN'T THE ONES BUYING THEM!!!!!
so don't preach to us... figure a way out of it... and FARMing them is the most logical option
(BTW - as Harrison Ford is fond of promoting, he loves to jet around to get his favorite BURGERS...) When the buying of cows stops...
DUH!!!!!
Zaxxon2008 1 year ago
I don't buy wild/unsustainablely caught fish, veal, or support any killing of endangered animals, but if a tiger pelt is legally selling from a tiger that was legally farmed... I might think about it...
iamthephatmouse 1 year ago
No.
bapsy078 1 year ago
If animals are raised specifically for food or any marketable practice, poachers have no reason to kill the wildlife. Stossel is right. Government/activist solutions never work.
aslynelf 1 year ago
6:08 "you didn't drink the kool-aid........." stossel: yes i did.. i found them totally convincing.. hahahahhahah
th0w3 1 year ago
Does anyone know where I can buy a bison tenderloin? Really, that looks delicious. And really do you think we could ban the hunting of deer? Because there are too goddamn many of them here in Michigan. I live in the suburbs and I have to ask them to move when I go out to get my mail.
mechmusician 1 year ago
Its wrong on moral issues and even long-term economic issues. The only reason people still buy a product like tiger-paste (wtf) is because there is a lack of education. They buy the product because they BELIEVE it will do something when in reality it doesnt do squat. And on the economic issue, simply look to the chicken or cow. Its genetic manipulation will have serious concequences in the long-term playing with the fabric of life for making a shit load of money isnt worth the risk.
ewr317 1 year ago
@ewr317 there are other reasons to 'farm' an animal. He was using the word in the most general sense. The rhinos in africa are rarely hunted for their horns any more.. but you could still very well consider them to be a 'farmed' commodity.
Your argument fails when you let yourself think that the only reason to farm tigers is for tiger paste (which won't go out of style any time soon in China)
cont.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@ewr317 It's amazing to me how people will argue till their lungs burst about how evil genetic manipulation of anything is, when they have a nice full stomach, and no worry of how they will fill it again tomorrow.
When you're starving, your family is starving, and there is a chance you might all die, and you still don't want the things that have been genetically engineered to grow larger so you can be fed... THEN! You can tell me how bad it is.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702
I tell you right now how bad it is. People get cancer from genetically modified "food". Get educated before thinking that THAT is food for you. It's basically poison. People recover from diseases once they change their diet, eating organically grown foods. Can't get a more obvious prof that, if it looks alike it does not mean that is truly alike. Go and get educated about Gerson therapy for cancer. Once people start eating the RIGHT FOODS [real food} they get rid of diseases.
gigiontube 1 year ago
@gigiontube Proof? One word and I shot down your entire argument, because you have NONE!
IN FACT! More people died from things like food poison BEFORE scientists began genetically engineering crops and animals to feed more people on a large scale. And now "organic" food is taking the mantle of most dangerous, as there is no checks and balances system for it.
Once again, I ask you, if you wish to be taken seriously, provide proof that genetically engineered food has EVER killed someone.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702
Everyone who demonstrated how bad and poisonous GMO is, was taken down by Monsanto. Obviously you are one of their WHORES. They count on this, that no one drops dead once they eat their poisonous food. Poison is accumulated into the body and chronic diseases develop. Doctors pretend not knowing where the diseases come from because they make a hefty living "managing" those diseases. The only way to get rid of those "diseases" is to get rid of the poison from food.And that happens !
gigiontube 1 year ago
@daPlumber702
Go and read this: [take spaces out of course]
h tt p : // articles . mercola . com/ sites/articles/archive/2010/10/04/watch-out-there-are-more-problems-with-genetically-modified-foods-than-youre-allowed-to-know.aspx
gigiontube 1 year ago
@gigiontube page not found.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
Hey John,
Maybe if we eat you we get more intelligent people like you...how is that for a great idea ????
gigiontube 1 year ago
the population might increase if animals are farmed, but the animal is never the same. Look what we did to chickens, cows, pigs and other animals we farm. Basically, destroyed them.
WATCH "MEET YOUR MEAT" MOVIE [available on youtube] TO SEE WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO TIGERS AS WELL.
John is not as smart as he thinks he is!!! He should study a little bit deeper the "human behavior" before showing how great the chickens have it because we eat them. Does he want the same fate for the tigers? Hope not.
gigiontube 1 year ago
@gigiontube Really smart comment... other than the whole fact that you have forgot to mention how it was chickens existed before we farmed them....
John Stossel is smarter than you! Get used to it.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702
John Stossel knows shit about nutrition. When he will get cancer he will rush to get the most chemo he can get from the "best" doctor his money will buy and he will be history in no time.
Chickens existed just fine before we farmed them. They were normal birds, not like now, not able to stand on their legs because their breasts are enormous, not to mention the conditions they are raised on.
You get educated. Go and visit a factory farm to see for yourself before you talk.
gigiontube 1 year ago
@gigiontube if in America he's got a good chance..
Do you know why we farm chickens you mental midget? Because it was ALWAYS easy to catch them doofus! They didn't fly, and we clipped their wings so now they don't... They never flew, they barely ran away, and it's easier to catch that then it is an Eagle flying up high in the mountains. Or else we might eat eagle eggs every morning and the chicken would be the one fighting to stay off the endangered list.
I have and you're wrong.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702
Me mental midget??? Ha, ha, ha,,,,
You are a mental midget not being able to think for yourself. You tell me where all that roundup poured on the plants go? And all those insecticides? And what is roundup? Can you drink a little bit of that ? Why not ? IS that a poison or not you smart ass? Well, you do drink it when you eat your fucking GMO corn, that's why your brain is not working anymore, Or is Monsanto paying you a load of money to brain wash people on youtube, whore ?
gigiontube 1 year ago
@gigiontube You're the one that is ignoring facts in favor for a group of nutjobs that thinks it's great to fond over days gone by that SUCKED! It's better now then it has ever been in most parts of the world.. Including the food industry.. Genetics and all.
To think that the most regulated industry in the world would somehow be completely unsafe because of something that keeps it around is hysterical. Instead of buying into the hype, do the actual research.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@daPlumber702
You are living in the la-la land. Get real!
RE: "It's better now then it has ever been in most parts of the world.. Including the food industry.. Genetics and all."
A: Only in your dreams! Look at reality. The world is FULL of CANCER. More and more hospitals are built every year.
You must be one of those profiting from GMO or you are a complete idiot.
The most "regulated industry" is regulated by Monsanto's people who are now running the FDA. What a moron you are.
gigiontube 1 year ago
@gigiontube your brilliant deduction says that the world is full of cancer.. without any supporting facts I may add. Let's say this is true.. do you believe that there was not cancer 100 years ago when everything eaten was organic? Or is it more logical to deduce that now we are able to detect cancer, and our ability to detect it improves every month, Therefore more cases are found?
You keep trying to attack me personally. I find debating you somewhat like debating a wall.
daPlumber702 1 year ago
@gigiontube Cancer cells ferment sugar, ie carbohydrates. Mostly found in grain, potatoes, fruit, sugar canes and sugar beets, and products made from that; bread, fries, sugar, candy, juice etc. Known since the 20s and discovered by Dr Otto Warburg. Get your facts straight and be polite!
mrtvi46 1 year ago 2
I can't believe we lost all those bison. They're beautiful animals and I find it to be a depressing thought.
mtb416 1 year ago
they should do this, i would deff buy tiger paste! that would be a million dollar business!
better than what the gov is doing, right?
AchillesArms 1 year ago
we should eat pandas
gwbush2009 1 year ago
Easy choice,,, farm them,, and leave the wild ones alone....
bjarnet3 1 year ago
You want to know the absolute proof of the valued animal is protected? Bees.
Seriously. Most every human being hates to have bees around them, yet we are going out of our way to keep them around. Not because we like their sting or buzzing sound or they are cute. It's because we derive benefit from them. And yes, there is genuine concern about the overuse of bees, but think about it. THERE IS GENUINE CONCERN ABOUT BEES. There isn't genuine concern about flies or mosquitoes or wasps...
thatguysaid 1 year ago 2
A ban is a child's tool. To think that you can just ban something and it will stop is either ridiculously naive or ignorant to reason. This ban supporter doesn't seem very open to new ideas but in a hundred years we will see what happens.
SPFrobber 1 year ago 14
wow, I've never seen THAT coming
Leobons 1 year ago
that mink being raised 4 it's hair lives a mentally tortured life, it is not "protection"
oeufgwoieu 1 year ago
The one thing that really bothers me about this clip is the reason he gives for the bison almost going extinct. The real reason why people and the GOVERNMENT were killing bison was to attempt to stamp out the Native Americans. They were trying to deplete their food resources in order to get them to move to the reservations.
huntsmaj22 1 year ago
For a long time I was purely libertarian------------except for endangered species. I thought they needed protection. I gotta say Stossel keeps surprising me. I think I'm in love.
YesWeCantaloupe 1 year ago
Stossel. I absolutely love this guy. He always uses common sense. If he says it and does a story on it you can take it to the bank!
SuperGuitarman69 1 year ago
I like magical thinking because it sems to be commonly called "Logic". Farm the things. I want a baby tiger.
Zeeroyuy 1 year ago
What about sharks?
emzyk 1 year ago
@emzyk I had a small shark in a glass of embalming fluid as a kid. I thought it was the coolest thing ever! Now imagine if people farmed endangered sharks and sold them in jars? They could advertise that they will release 1 shark into the wild for every 100 sold!
YesWeCantaloupe 1 year ago
Ahh, the old tragedy of the commons argument.
He probably opposes the FAA as well, I suppose after enough of the "inefficicent" airplanes auger in that demand for them will eventually drop to the ground as well.
The one thing I will give Stossel was that at least he was an interesting voice on ABC, now he is just another wacko in the chorus of wackos that is Fox Noise.
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deagla2 1 year ago
maybe if they try medical pot they won't need to eat all that tiger cock to get rid of their pain
squid666420 1 year ago
They conveniently left out the PASSENGER PIGEON and COMMON MURRE, just an example of two species that went EXTINCT BECAUSE of commercial exploitation.
read a book once in a while.
DelilahZoe 2 years ago
HAHAHAHAH, I love people like this dumb woman, they make it so easy. My 7 year old niece could reason better than she.
karozans 2 years ago
Absolutely agree with John here...
gauharjk 2 years ago 8
tigers are cool. In my city Victoria BC Tiges are banned incase they escape. But then again there are wild bears and animals that can also attack you and cougars
MaddDogg81 2 years ago
Interesting video. This really needs longer and more sensitive coverage. Largely agree with Stossel, but totally understand where the woman is coming from in regards to the tigers. The argument regarding the rhinos was very different, since the economic incentive to protect them had nothing to do with the horns, and that made perfect sense.
bearcat648 2 years ago
It may not save wild animals but we'll have plenty in captivity which is better than them going extinct.
FatherTime89 2 years ago
Why? Better for Who???
The Tigers Care About Going Extinct????
Wouldn't their just be less suffering beings on the planet??? And some Chinese people who can't ignore pain and keep doing whatever it is that is painful because they can drink some tiger.. ffs.. ???
You want tigers around how long? Why?
It's to save humans, but notice that is impossible.
IloveJesusYesId0 2 years ago
Stringent Regulations, Laws, Police and Militarys that enforce them, just don't work. The illegal product gains ever more in value, to the extent that the law enforcers (Everybody has 'Their' price) make far More money getting 'involved' in the product, than they do in enforcing the law ie; Mexico's drug supply to the hopelessly addicted USA. As John Says..Human Nature. Remember the Golden rule; "Those who have the Gold...Rule".. Enjoy the system, you all seem to vote for it.... Well..most all.
Blogengezer 2 years ago
the bans have worked horribley protecting nothing except the theft by leftist worldwide.
deltapunk21 2 years ago 2
the enviro nazis supporting torture...
deltapunk21 2 years ago
they are not disappearing
deltapunk21 2 years ago
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You guys shouldn't just listen to Stossel's crap. He has has an agenda: he's a libertarian, calls for free market in all areas of life. If you ask him about guns, he'll tell you to deregulate their purchase.
CharmingMan27 2 years ago
"has an agenda"?
If by that you mean he's trying to advance his point of view then you are absolutely correct. It's not like he tries to hide it. Anyone who watches a few of his stories knows he approaches things from a libertarian point of view. (Hence his popularity among libertarians.) There are plenty of people, Micheal Moore for example, who approach things from a different point of view. It's up to us as viewers to decide if their arguments make sense or not.
studentofsmith 2 years ago 3
@studentofsmith I just don't like ideologues. Stossel, being one, takes anything and applies libertarianism to it: guns, schools, labor unions, etc. Sometimes, instead of looking in the libertarian, conservative or liberal handbook of ideas, one has to has to think about what a situation, for its own sake (not the ideology), happens to call for. My concern was for the posters who eat up his perspective, without understanding that it's not the product of free, critical thought. Take Care.
CharmingMan27 2 years ago
Wow, so you're telling me government regulation (in this case banning buying and selling of "exotic" animals) doesn't work? It even has unintended consequences and makes things worse? I don't believe it!
WelfareRobot 2 years ago
@WelfareRobot you dont have to believe it, but youre wrong
sming01 2 years ago
I was being sarcastic, you know.
WelfareRobot 2 years ago
@WelfareRobot ok good haha
sming01 2 years ago
The only retards here are those who cling to their anointed vision in spite of reality. As long as there are restaurants like KFC, Churchs, Popeyes, and Chick-fil-A, there will always be chickens!
Which outfit dealing in products made from tigers is going to be more profitable: one that hunts tigers in the wild or one that raises them on a farm? If you said the one that raises them on a farm, then go to the head of the class.
bravo0105 2 years ago 3
we dont have to farm tigers in cages thers a lot of land to farm tigers i think it can work its logical and i love tigers
ANGIEfromAtoZ 2 years ago
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americans are idiots...farm a tigers...??and what...sell litte tigers for a house pet? these are wild animals...we should save them in their natural environment and not to farm them in a cages...come on...are u retarded or what? wild animal are not a product in a market...next lets famr a zebras and lions...and how do they think to farm them? buil a big arena and throw a cows in ther?
adlkdflsk 2 years ago
hey Polack, tigers don't even exist in America in any natural setting. The blood ain't on our hands, dumb, big head, Polack, subhuman piece of shit.
savemyplaylist 2 years ago
o really? u r stupid as fuck! tigers lives in asia...u r really dumb...come on u r more stupid than i thought...go and wath gay WWE
adlkdflsk 2 years ago
Ever heard of trophy hunting? Many wealthy & notable Americans (G. Bush snr. & jnr. taking just two examples) have partaken in hunting tourism in which they paid to exterminate wild animals in their natural habitat. Lay off the racism, the more I read of what you write the more you disgust me. You are uneducated about world affairs & subhuman in your moral standards. I wouldn't shoot a Tiger but if I saw you through the scope of a hunting rifle I'd have one helluva of an itchy trigger finger...
pete2778 2 years ago
"wild animal are not a product in a market", ya ok go tell that to any Asian guy.
"next lets famr a zebras and lions...and how do they think to farm them? buil a big arena and throw a cows in ther? ", not even going to comment on this EPIC failure of reasoning. Stick to flipping burgers buddy.
Jesus fucking Christ, can people just THINK for a second before posting here?
ChillnAmoeba 2 years ago
Amen! Someone on here has a brain of their own and doesn't just listen to this self-righteous jerk.
CharmingMan27 2 years ago
"It's illegal to sell medicines that even pretend to cantain tiger part."
classic
HugsnNuclearArms 2 years ago
well said. If the animals are marketable products, they will be saved!
meka4996 2 years ago
This clip is exactly right, no matter how much activists try to out law poaching to raise an animals' population, one thing remains, there's still an underground demand for it without enough resources to have a breeding program. Farming endangered species is a terrific solution, the incentive to keep the species alive solves the population numbers... right? Poaching demand would reach zero as captive populations increase, and wild populations would increase from lack of poaching = Win/Win
JeanLouie1106 2 years ago 27
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Why don't you just kill and eat your family dog? Stossel is a douche and his points are so ease to dispell. He can't even make a strong point.
nyguy 2 years ago
It is actually simple economics, he's not bright enough to explain it properly but, what he's saying is the truth.
jackarf1 2 years ago
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Thank God there is no hunting season for douchebags, Stossel would have to hide his ass or become someone's leather boots.
nyguy 2 years ago
How do you disagree about what he said, it is the most logical solution to keep endangered animals around.
redraiders2K9 2 years ago
You just made the point, the reason there are so many dogs is because we all want them as pets. Good job buddy.
wilcox71 2 years ago 8
Dogs are domesticated animals, tigers are not. Besides that, he is not suggesting raising them as pet, but as food and consumable. Are you one of those idiots who think people should have a right to own balistic missiles because of the 2nd amendment?
nyguy 2 years ago
Ballistic missiles aren't cheap and are not a gun
redraiders2K9 2 years ago
grilled tiger for sir fillet d'elephant pour madame
bon apetit!
freeerteee 2 years ago
Oh delicious irony!
Now through a tiger steak on the grill and lets save some animals! :D
Stossel is the man :)
boxant 2 years ago
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Eating them saves them? Wow, talk about utterly ridiculous propaganda. And what's with the dismissive attitude toward Harrison Ford? This is crap.
Arthur5041975 2 years ago
Did you watch the whole thing? You ever eat bison? I do and it is delicious. I don't have to worry about the bison I eat being "the last bison" because they are farmed. But if trade in tiger is illegal and no one farms them, only poachers kill them..... well.... is that tiger you are eating (or rubbing on your skin) the last one? Get it? Save them by eating them. Kill them by "conserving" them.
LibertyOrBust 2 years ago 2
Yeah. If they had farms then poachers would have no reason to disturb the animals in the wild. Those animals would be able to come back and live well. But then there is the problem of the lives of the animals farmed. Some farms are great, letting their animals run free on a lard area of land and live well. Others are cramped and dirty. This is a hard subject, but if it can be balanced out it would be wonderful.
SilverWynterSpirit 2 years ago 2
Thing is when you make animals private property [like cattle] there is an incentive to protect them, keep your investment safe.
GenArkantos 2 years ago
So...the fact that we do not have a shortage of chickens...cows...the fact that the bison went from near extinction to thriving...nothing?
Like the other guy said...did you watch it? I mean on the surface it may seem counterintuitive, sure but dude...look at the EVIDENCE...the NUMBERS...the MATH.
If you make worth more to NOT KILL TIGERS EN MASSE...then...you...don't kill them.
A child could understand this. Right?
mrkaic 2 years ago 4
I got numbers and math in my butt. Here's a spoon. Dig for them.
Arthur5041975 2 years ago
And poor Tigger dies, because his so-called advocates are ignorant and don't understand simple economics.
Poor Shere Khan. Poor Tony. Poor, poor Hobbes.
Well. They aren't *real* tigers. They will live on forever.
Use that spoon yourself, chief.
mrkaic 2 years ago
The content of this story is very important, and scary, but John Stossel is a douchebag.
Arthur5041975 2 years ago
This all makes good sense, if endangered species become a commodity of course people will "invest" in them by raising them.
Alternate2GOP 2 years ago
yes, it's pretty much the same as with man-planted forests; and for Africa somethhing similar to the War on Drogz
freeerteee 2 years ago 4
I'm straight, but I'm gay for John Stossel
spayced 2 years ago 27
same here, brother.
wesleyrs83 2 years ago 2
I second that.
Alternate2GOP 2 years ago
@spayced I can't believe you got 22 thumbs up for saying that.
Djarms67 1 year ago
lol, Stossel is great
"you didn't drink the kool-aid did you?"
"Yes I did"
:D
stealthswimmer 2 years ago 6
This is kind of fucked up, if not somewhat true. I've thought of this idea as a joke, but I never legitimately considered it. The reason for harvesting tigers is so retarded that I question whether farming is a good idea. Chinese traditional medicine needs to go.
Ihateyoutoube 2 years ago
The question is which one of the two is easier to implement?
And takes less totalitarian power to achieve it.
jfallas 2 years ago 3
Was that Big Boi in the SVU scene?
silentthriller 2 years ago
6:11 Stossel's remarks so fucking hilarious.. Stossel's argument is 100% correct. If u farm them you give the poachers no reason to hunt them for bones/hides etc,, just go get em from the farms....
Stossel can rock a stash :P
jwka2001 2 years ago
4:56 when something the Libs do don't work they think they have not done enough of it .
yammyspeed13 2 years ago 6
This is disgusting! How is this saving them when it's obviously hurting and imprisoning them. BOO!
gsampson85 2 years ago
Did you watch the video on mute?
HorrorClaus 2 years ago
Are you people serious? I would rather tigers go extinct than exist only to be slaughtered. What kind of life is that? What's the point of existence without free will?
eatingconsciously 2 years ago
eatingconsciously, you'd honestly rather them go extinct? That's harsh. You're not a member of PETA are you? Been to any crazy rallies comparing chicken farms to the holocaust lately?
They wouldn't exist only to be slaughtered, they'd exist as a product to be marketed and in turn protected and guarded because it would be in guard's/tiger farmer's best interests to do so.
kait112 2 years ago
They are not going extinct, because there are zoos. But they are going extinct in the wild and caging them doesn't help a bit to solve this particular problem.
kukaracha25 2 years ago
Well I'm assuming we are allowing most to live in the wild.
Ihateyoutoube 2 years ago
Then you also rather cows, chickens, pigs...anything we eat....to go extinct rather than have humans eat them?
HorrorClaus 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
soon your wish will come true.
WillCardoza 2 years ago
This lady just can't handle facts.
the13thof12 2 years ago
Environmentalists have big hearts... and tiny brains.
DarcPrynce 2 years ago 3
I'm not even so sure about the big hearts. I think many environmentalists are trying to gain political control through fear mongering. That isn't to say that every individual environmentalist thinks that way, but I think the organizations like Green peace et al.. are pretty shady.
the13thof12 2 years ago
Hope you dont mind If I use your quote,so simple-yet so true.
OnlyAPawn1970 2 years ago
Banning anything doesn't work.
kait112 2 years ago
Never has. There are still people who think that banning alcohol will work "this time".
CurtHowland 2 years ago