i am atheist but but but but but,,,,,,,,,, i think if a religion can give someone hope ,faith ,love thats good for the people to follow if they want to ,,,,,, just imagine can u or anyone in this world can give hope to someone who has suffered emotionally and mentally,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,what will give them hope that everything will be all right ???????? ........if it has to come from any religion i think everyone will not mind and we all will agree
i am atheist but but but but but,,,,,,,,,, i think if a religion can give someone hope ,faith ,love thats good for the people to follow if they want to ,,,,,, just imagine can u or anyone in this world can give hope to someone who has suffered emotionally and mentally,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,what will give them hope that everything will be all right ???????? ........if it has to come from any religion i think everyone will not mind and we all will agree
i am atheist but but but but but,,,,,,,,,, i think if a religion can give someone hope ,faith ,love thats good for the people to follow if they want to ,,,,,, just imagine can u or anyone in this world can give hope to someone who has suffered emotionally and mentally,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,what will give them hope that everything will be all right ???????? ........if it has to come from any religion i think everyone will not mind and we all will agree
i am atheist but but but but but,,,,,,,,,, i think if a religion can give someone hope ,faith ,love thats good for the people to follow if they want to ,,,,,, just imagine can u or anyone in this world can give hope to someone who has suffered emotionally and mentally,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,what will give them hope that everything will be all right ???????? ........if it has to come from any religion i think everyone will not mind and we all will agree
i am atheist but but but but but,,,,,,,,,, i think if a religion can give someone hope ,faith ,love thats good for the people to follow if they want to ,,,,,, just imagine can u or anyone in this world can give hope to someone who has suffered emotionally and mentally,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,what will give them hope that everything will be all right ???????? ........if it has to come from any religion i think everyone will not mind and we all will agree
i am atheist but but but but but,,,,,,,,,, i think if a religion can give someone hope ,faith ,love thats good for the people to follow if they want to ,,,,,, just imagine can u or anyone in this world can give hope to someone who has suffered emotionally and mentally,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,what will give them hope that everything will be all right ???????? ........if it has to come from any religion i think everyone will not mind and we all will agree
i am atheist but but but but but,,,,,,,,,, i think if a religion can give someone hope ,faith ,love thats good for the people to follow if they want to ,,,,,, just imagine can u or anyone in this world can give hope to someone who has suffered emotionally and mentally,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,what will give them hope that everything will be all right ???????? ........if it has to come from any religion i think everyone will not mind and we all will agree
i am atheist but but but but but,,,,,,,,,, i think if a religion can give someone hope ,faith ,love thats good for the people to follow if they want to ,,,,,, just imagine can u or anyone in this world can give hope to someone who has suffered emotionally and mentally,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,what will give them hope that everything will be all right ???????? ........if it has to come from any religion i think everyone will not mind and we all will agree
All that exists is contingent to something else. The origin of the matter in the universe needs to be explained by the matter creating abilities of a non-contingent power. This non contingent power needs to exist by it's own necessity. Energy is proven to be non-contingent. Therefore a form of energy must had created the universe. Energy has the same attributes we give God, therefore is plausible that God had created the universe.
@cfarinho1 Actually, the cross was a pagan symbol that the RC church stole when they merged the two religions. It was used for centuries before Christianity was founded.
Religion has caused a lot of harm to society, and it isn't just due to the wars it has incited or the politics involved. In my own personal life I've received threats, been constantly told I'm going to burn in Hell, been ostracized by various communities, lost my family, and I could go on and on...
The imposing of a belief is wrong when you tell someone there is this invisilble being and proceed to claim to do everything in its name people have a right to resist you. A person may come to beleive not be forced to go along with.
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)
The key to even consider your beliefs may be wrong is to understand your own psychology and how confirmation bias works. Until you do that, you are prone to maintaining your faith with all sorts of "evidence" you think you've collected over the years, such as "miracles" you've seen, people being "healed", etc. I know someone who is convinced a healer predicted the exact size of a cyst his mom had just by touching a cloth from her. He always goes back to that story as one of the pillars of faith.
Just be yourself. We honour people when we are honest. Your fond regard and affection for your family will show through despite what they know about your irreligous views. But expect the worse. Try to be patient and know when you are enduring the worst attacks it won't be forever. Try not to lose your temper or start a fight. Leave early if things start to get out of hand but with dignity and respect and proper bye for now, not by slamming doors or in a huff etc.
My fundamentalist Christian family, surprisingly, handled my 'coming out' as an atheist quite well.
My wife deconverted at around the same time I did, and unfortunately her family has pretty much disowned her. They don't call her or return her calls. She had a much closer and more intimate relationship with them than I did with mine, which made their reaction rather surprising.
But maybe, in some ways, that closeness intensified their reaction. Either way, it sucks.
I succesfully mostly deconverted some close familymembers.
However 'mostly' is about as far as you're going to get probably. But it's still usually good to do! (Except maybe when the family members are very old and near death or something.) You can get rid of the nonsense baggage, and bring someone MUCH closer to rationality.
Generally though, this requires a much gentler touch then the verbal sledgehammers I like to use on the 1nt3rw4bs.
@1954phyllis Do you think that you are a big hero, now that you have asked this silly, flawed and stupid question?
Atheism is the lag of believe in a god or gods. So you want us to prove that there is a supernatural beeing in the sky!? You make the claim, that's why you have the burden of proof.
Shockofgod makes an absolute fool out of himself and doesn't even notice it. This question fails like Ray Comforts banana argument fails.
@MrRedRooster No I'm not a hero, I never have claimed to be one.
I thought that atheists dont believe in any god. What I find amazing is that atheists claim that there is no evidence for the existance of GOD but they have not proven in way that He doesn't. You got that right I absolutely believe in a Supreme Being that is the creator of all of creation and is very muc involved in our lives today. Just because you dont believe in Him doesnt mean a thing.
@1954phyllis It's only the "question" I'm totaly upset with because it makes no sense at all and people think that they have proven something by asking it. If I told you it is necessary for you to send me 1000$ in order to go to heaven, do you believe me? And when you ask me why, I just say that it is your job to find it out.
@MrRedRooster What concrete proof do you have that atheism is true. I'm not talking about the fact that in order to believe in something you have to be able to see it. I can't see all the stars in the universe but I know that they are there. Just because someone might not agree with what is in the Bible does not mean that it isn't the inspired word of GOD. What if atheism is flat out wrong? You see I believe that there is a GOD and I dont believe in evolution or reincarnation.
@1954phyllis I'm watching this whole theist / atheist youtube drama for a while now and it looks to me like a kindergarten fight. I live in a country with a 50/50 believer, nonbeliever ratio and this kind of childish bahaviour is non existent here. I just wanted to point out how absolutely flawed the "question" you asked is and didn't meant to criticize your believes.
The basic point of my posts is that I hate the stupidity of shockofgods question which he celebrates like a big triumph.
@MrRedRooster I agree with you this whole atheist/theist thing has gotten way out of hand. What really gets me is that I was told by this atheist that I was vile just because of my comments. Why is it when atheist criticize theists it is alright but when the shoe is on the other foot it is all wrong. Frankly, I'm fed up with it. If a person chooses to be a believer in GOD what is it to atheists?
@1954phyllis I guess it's because of the 80% christians that live in the US who, without a doubt, influence every aspect of public and politic life. On the one hand your constitution guarantees the equality of every citizen but on the other hand atheists are treated like 2nd class or lower and that's something you can become angry about. On youtube it only appears like christianity is under a "major attack" but it's just a forum for people who have no other place to go with their ideas.
@MrRedRooster Could you please explain to me how that atheists have been treated like second class citizens. How are their rights infringed upon. Has their god been kicked out of every aspect of public life just because of an evil woman didnt want her son being taught about GOD in school. God is being removed from all aspects of public life. It is obvious that Christianity is under attack here.
@1954phyllis As far as I know your constitution promotes the seperation of state and religion, that is why the "evil woman" has the right to do what she did. The same rights for everyone but the state has to be neutral and public schools are part of the state. Just imagine that you are part of a minority and the other "side" violates your right in order to push their agenda.
Nobody sais that comming along with eachother is easy but at least your laws are a fair basis.
@MrRedRooster Welll then how come Islam is taught in schools, that is a major religion. How come the government is telling churches that if they dont hire homosexuals then they will be arrested for hate crimes. It seems to me if there is the church is separated from the state then what right does the government have telling the church what to do. That would be like the chuch of satan hiring a Chrisitan.
@1954phyllis You have to distinguish from private and public schools. If the isalm is taught in public schools then go ahead and claim your rights. This is a good example of seperation of church and state. If you open up the schools for religion then ALL are the same and that ends up in a desaster.
But, all this is referring to "teaching", you are still allowed to "exercise" your religion like praying and so on.
To your 2nd point: That does more harm than good if it's really true.
@1954phyllis - ah I initially took your statement to be 'wishful thinking' (as though you WANT a religiously run government). Sorry.
I do see what you're saying. Your constitution does state a separation of church and state, however your governments are full of devout, pandering god-botherers.
@freakystyley4000 I believe that the government should have no rights to tell the churches what to do since there is supposedly the separation of church and state. If someone decides to pray over his or her meal in a public place then that person should have that right. I believe that if a group decides to sing at a national monument then that group should not be kicked off the property. If preacher decides to preach on the street that he shouldn't be arrested.
@1954phyllis - one can pray at McDonalds over their meal if they wish. I myself have allowed a group of young Muslim men to pray in a secluded corner of the lobby at Four Points by Sheraton Darling Harbour when I worked there are a few years ago.
These places are not public property though, ergo, THE STATE.
A national monument however IS the State and therefore no religion should be allowed to be expressed there. None.
And ye, a preacher (a.k.a. nutjob) may preach in public, sure.
What can one do if you're an athiest living in a religious home? It's one thing if you've already moved out, but another if you still live with mom and dad, and being forced to go to church.
@bfahren well that is partially why i said tragic. stupidity is often a tragedy. it would be bad to lose family for any reason, but imo, even worse for petty shit like religious faith.
God created us with free will. He didn't want mindless puppets. He wanted us to be like children, his children. Look in at 2nd Peter 3:8-9 if you have a Bible. It says " God isn't late with his promises as some measure lateness. He is restraining himself on account of you, holding back the End because he doesn't was anyone lost. He's giving everyone space and time to change." He wants you to love him, not just mindlessly follow him. You've heard, now its up to you.
@cutiebye2012 he knows what were gonna do before we do it that takes away freewill either hes all knowing and all powerfull or we have no freewill prove me wrong really try it i want u to display ur ignorance
he knows what we will do, but he wants to have the choice, not to follow mindlessly. you would probably hate him if you had to serve him no matter what. in a hundred years, i know where I'll be. Do you?
Being tolerant of others is important, regardless what religion (or lack thereof) you are. Just because someone has different beliefs doesn't mean that you can't be associated with them. It's really not that serious.
I don't believe in a god, but just because other people around me DO, doesn't mean I can no longer talk to these people.
"Declaring" that you're an Atheist is stupid anyway. Its not like "coming out". Just go about your day. How hard is that?
Best to be in the closet with believers you care about. Just as you don't tell people you care about that you have opposite political view. Doing otherwise will almost never work unless they are very open minded. This comes from learning the hard way. I have converted one friend to atheism in my lifetime. The friends and family I am close to are open minded. I have lost contact with everyone else and I regret that.
It's not the 'God is responsible for all human deaths' thing that bothers me. It's the fact that (if he existed) he would be responsible for Hell. If you think is okay to torture another human being NO MATTER WHAT THEIR CRIME, then you are just evil.
Your religious cult is evil. It preaches hatred, slavery, and condones the most hideous violence and torture imaginable. There is nothing any 'sacred' book could say that would undo all the harm to society religion has caused since it was invented.
@aliasbrush If a person goes to hell it is that person's fault because that person has rejected Jesus who is the only way to heaven. No when you say that Christians are evil you should ask yourself this question. Who has aborted millions of defenseless unborn babies, killied millions of people just because they worshipped GOD. Look at all the Christians that have been killed in communist China, Russia. Atheists are reponsible for more deaths than Chritians.
@aliasbrush The Christians keep saying that atheists like us don't have any morals because we think the "bable" is crap. The muslims call their religion "islam" which is supposed to mean "way to peace". The other religions are no better, saying they are the only ones who "know the way". Yet they all believe in an imaginary friend floating in the sky. Too bad there ain't that many in the world who agree (like me) with what you said.
Two, Islam means "submission," not "way to peace."
Three, Christianity is the only religion that says it's the one way. Islam could be a runner up, but I've heard too many Muslims say that you just have to be good to enter Paradise. I believe it even says in the Qur'an that People of the Book go there as well.
@StevieWonder501 About what people believe that atheists don't have any morals, don't mistake yourself by saying "we", because I've heard that phrase many times by fervent believers. As for two, it could mean "way to peace" as well as "submission to god". As for three, there is about 10 000 religions in the world plus as many sects and they ALL saying THEY have THE way! You really think anybody would settle for anything that they don't consider to be the ultimate way with their very soul??
@metz3962 I believe Jesus was truly the only religious leader who strictly said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to Father except through me."
How can we know which religion is right? By testing each one and seeing how they hold up. For me, my belief stands alone on the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. If you take that down, my whole faith falls with it.
@StevieWonder501 Well if that is the only pillar holding up your faith then prepare to lose it. To put it simply there is no evidence that the event even happened other than in the bible which doesn't count because not only is it circular reasoning but the story is different in all four gospels. Also the death, wait 3 day and rise from the dead thing isn't even unique to Jesus. The same story is told in many other religions and they all involve a son of god or savoir type figure.
@xynth101088 I want you to go step by step to refute the Resurrection. Tell me in the Gospels what is so contradictory.
See, here's the thing. When an atheist or person of another religion sees that the Gospels are similar, they say "HA! They copied from one another! No eyewitnesses!" ...when they see any differences, they say "HA! They're contradictory! No eyewitnesses!" ...can you even begin to see the headache this gives us who have actually read the Gospels with an open heart and mind?Gbu
@StevieWonder501 Well as a none believer it should be the other way around. You should be the one to convince someone else that the event actually happened if you believe it did. And no. no one would say "ha they copied each other" if the 4 gospels were the same. that would actually make things easier and would only have to look at one of them and figure out who wrote it first and if there was any hard evidence that what happened happened.
@StevieWonder501 the fact that none of them match up should be proof enough that 3 if not all 4 got it wrong. there is evidence to point out that some did copy, while others edited, and some seem to just write things that they heard about but didn't have all the information so included what they thought sounded right at the time. but there is nothing to show there was some sort of plan for why they are all different and contradict each other.
@StevieWonder501 And just to give you a few names so you can look up the stories yourself so you can see the similarities. A few of these guys that Jesus copied were Mithra, Dionysius, and Horus. These are just the ones I remember right off the top of my head. And not only did they die the same but they had similar lives. Such as some being born on dec 25, having 12 disciples, being a carpenter, bringing people back to life, among many other things that jesus is known for.
@StevieWonder501 That is kind of my point most if not all of things done by jesus or things related to jesus came from other religions, not just the birthday, but the virgin birth, many of the miracles, etc also came from these other religions. If you were to take everything away from Jesus that is unique to him you are pretty much left with a normal man in his 30's.
And i've never heard of talmud, but Josephus' mention of Jesus has been confirmed by scholars as an add in not written by him.
@xynth101088 1. I don't believe anything is going to convince you that the hope within me is true if you aren't having ears to hear. 2. The Talmud is a Jewish commentary on the Old Testament and was written after the time of Jesus. It is used by many Jews today, I believe. 3. Name the scholars that have discredited Josephus. 4. Show me contradictions in the Resurrection account.
1 Corinthians 15 lays out my belief in the Resurrection.
@StevieWonder501 I don't see how something Jewish is helping the case for Jesus since if he existed they denied him. No names were given. it is just a consensus among people studing that most of what he wrote about was true, but the part concerning only jesus looks edited in because it doesn't fit the passage. Like it was just thrown in willy nilly.
@xynth101088 Jews deny that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah; they don't deny He existed.
The Bible is a historically accurate book. Therefore, we can trust it. I don't believe it's the Word of God because it says that it's "god-breathed;" I could write a book and claim the same, yet I could be totally wrong.
Refer me to the specific passages where there are contradictions, and we can work through them if you're willing.
And even if it was, it is a non-sequitir to jump from "The Bible has historically accurate information" to "Therefore all the supernatural occurrences/concepts/beings in the Bible are also true."
The reason why you can accept the miracles is because you are coming from the presupposition that miracles cannot happen - just like David Hume, who witnessed a miracle firsthand yet said that "miracles cannot happen."
If the Bible is a *historically accurate* book, how could it be wrong to then conclude that these occurrences really happened?
So to get this all straight, your position is this: because the Bible contains accurate historical information about dates, times, places, wars, etc. then it can be a logical leap to say that the miracles within its pages also occurred, correct? I don't want to misrepresent your position with what I'm about to say.
@TheGeneralCritic Yes - it would be logical of me to say that if it's historically accurate, and further contains fulfilled prophecy to substantiate that claim, then yes, the account of miracles contained within its pages surely occurred.
@StevieWonder501 I'm just going to deal with the 'historically accurate' part, since that's what we originally discussed. You can't insert other criteria this late.
Okay, so that's your claim: historically accurate events are enough to prove the fantastical/miraculous events connected with it.
@TheGeneralCritic Correct - for people claim that Spider-man truly does exist. This can be backed up by innumerable historical evidences. We have written records from A. D. 1962 of this Spider-man (some textual critics have commented that this parallels the writings of the early church father, which state the man Jesus as being the "God-man"). Upon this, there is footage of him flying around New York City in Spiderman I-III (the clearest being from after 2000 A. D.)
@TheGeneralCritic (I'm happy to hear your response, but first I would recommend Craig Keener's book called "Miracles" - I don't have it on hand, but it's a two volume book set on how miracle accounts, such as those in Acts, can indeed be reliable.)
@StevieWonder501 As for the resurrection, extraordinarily claims need extraordinarily evidence and there simply isn't enough evidence for the guy to even exists let along the fact to have been killed to rise again. The only information comes from the bible and that is not only circular but flawed. Like the 4 stories not agreeing on the number of men/angels, if the tomb was open or closed, when the women came, who said what and when, among others. which just makes the whole thing sound fishy.
@StevieWonder501 And how the frick do you work that one out? Since when has freedom of speech been attributable to your religion? According to your book of myths, I should be put to death for any number of trivial reasons. Christianity has a history of wiping out all those that have opposed it.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
@aliasbrush Well, considering most other countries who aren't mostly Christian aren't able to have the freedom of speech...I think my bet's pretty safe.
So, you call murder a "trivial reason?"
And yes, "Christians" (not really) have killed people in the Crusades and Inquisition. Did Jesus command this? No.
Jesus said that He came to turn family members against each other over himself. We can even see this in countries of other faiths, where a member is killed for their conversion to Christ.
@StevieWonder501 We gained freedom of speech when the church lost its power. The only countries that don't have it are the religiously oppressed ones.
And now you're accusing me of murder? Good one!
God commands stoning for all kinds of things - everything from working on the sabbath to speaking against your parents. Never mind sending people for Hell to not believing in a magical being that is invisible and undetectable by any means. How do you reconcile these beliefs with benevolence?
@aliasbrush No, I'm not accusing you of murder. You seem to think that's a "trivial" reason to be put to death.
Yes, people were stoned for speaking against their parents and for working on the Sabbath...your point?
God sends no one to Hell. We send ourselves there.
I see Him as loving because He *knows* our situation, for one. God's Son came down to die on the cross so that He may be glorified by us. He doesn't need us, but we need Him. You can either accept Him or reject Him. Graceandlove
@StevieWonder501 But I haven't committed murder, so why use that as a Strawman argument? I pointed out that God commands stoning for disobeying one's parents or working on the sabbath, so why do you keep switching it back to the topic of murder?
No one sends themselves to Hell. Again, you love twisting things don't you? I do not believe in God, but if I happen to be wrong, I'd be going there by default - I am not choosing anything. How can I be accused of rejecting something I cannot see?
@StevieWonder501 Correction, my original words were: "...I should be put to death for any number of trivial reasons." Notice the *I*? Now since *I* have not committed murder, you are attacking a strawman.
Then you go on and agree that God commanded death for those other trivial things I mentioned, without seeing anything wrong with that picture. Are you nuts???
And, no, we do not love 'sin' by nature. I would rather do charity work than hurt people, favouring right over wrong. (...)
@aliasbrush Oh you're right, I'm sorry about that. Didn't notice the *I* at first.
And yet, you still call breaking the Sabbath and disobeying parents trivial reasons for death? They are now, but they were definately serious back even when Jesus ministered under the Old Testament laws.
I'm really not getting your point with this one.
Yes, we do love sin by nature. That's good that you would love to do charity work, yet at the same time you reject God...is that good?
I don't reject that we can all do moral good. You can't honestly say that someone like Ghandi did good deeds...and yet, we all fall short of the glory of God.
We are all made in God's image. This, along with our cultural values, influences those who don't have an ethical system of belief, like those who do not believe in God. A Muslim can do good, and yet their rejection of Jesus can be considered worthy of punishment.
wow I watched the entire video and the man in the red said what I have always said...atheist do believe there is a god and are just pissed at him. You have a lot of explaining to do????? wow God never did anything bad to any of us. men have caused serious problems and caused 90% of cancers. God loves. That's it. man in red shirt hates him...why??? I feel he is hypnotized and wants to convert others to atheism. why? believe what you want to believe and leave me alone. I dont make fun of atheist?
lol...I almost didnt bother commenting back but yeah....God is responsible for all deaths silly. we all die! when he sees fit.Christians arent afraid of death????
Yeah, and if god is responsible for all deaths, then it makes your entire post moot. It makes God the ultimate serial killer, and the most immoral being in the universe.
Satan's death toll stands at 11, and they were at the behest of God, so that makes even those God's fault.
If we all die when he sees fit, then we all feel pain because he sees fit.
If god is the source of all pain and death, that makes satan into a rather nice fellow, don't you think?
what about all he human murders? do they count? Everyone sins, everyone dies, and everyone goes to the afterlife. you choose where you spend eternity.
This guy was arguing that even those murders are at gods behest since God decides when someone lives and someone dies.
"You choose where you spend eternity" is a complete cop out if god has decided everything and there is no fate, as we were doomed to sin from the big bang.
The point of the argument is that if we have free will, then god cannot be omniscient.
Actually, "billions upon billions" isn't even correct according to Evolutionary theory. There are more humans now than there have been accumulative in our 200,000 year history. So about 10 billion if that.
And I'm not an atheist, but I'm also not an idiot.
Define your god if you wish to continue the discussion. Are you a christian?
I couldn't even start having a discussion with someone so angry out of the gate.I just woke up on my day off and I am going to have a cup of coffee.Have a nice Saturday!
If you take the Christian message, & more specifically the verse from Matt 22:14 which states "Many are called but few are chosen" if we apply some very simplistic & basic math concepts lets say there were 10 billion people in the entire history of mankind. Lets say many is just over 50%. So there would be more people going to hell than heaven. This from a God who knew b4 creating us that most of us werent going 2 heaven in the 1st place yet still created us knowing the majority would go 2 hell.
I think people who win awards for their talent. They are thanking God for their talent. Why do atheist on purpose, act as though they don't understand that.When in fact you do!
Some atheists have done their homework, gone through the intellectual arguments for and against the existence of God, and arrived at a thoughtful atheistic position but many have no real understanding of what Christianity is.
For anyone who wants to learn more about the other side of the debate, my channel has some info that you might find interesting.
I HAVE RECENTLY FOUND THE BIBLE TO BE FALSE AFTER BEING RAISED CATHALIC, i MARRIED A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, MY BELEIF HAS MADE MY FAMILY VERY ANGRY WITH ME. I LOVE THEM AND FEEL ALIENATED NOW.
Objectively considering the quality of the music the vast majority of them were awarded for, i think they can legitimately think that something supernatural interfered so that people buy their albums.
I definitely agree with Matt. It was quite hard and my family still has trouble accepting I don't accept God and this pure religion content. Considering my parents are quite dependent on science and then bash anything they don't use (I'm a theoretical computer science guy so I'm pretty much told by them that my 'petty' scientific method stuff is useless from them) and it's quite hurtful to me. Times change I guess. Got to hope families will have this problem less and less as generations pass
Is he going to give me weekly visits with my son & the rest of my family in hell? Is it anything like prison, or am I just not going to get to see them again & have to just "deal". That would be like a doc that could bring someone back to life but instead told you he wasn't going to, but here's a mansion instead! No one seems to be able to answer that question. Is heaven really just a bunch of materialistic people who think it's ok their "sinful"family isn't there as long as I get a mansion?
Yeah, the rules weren't thought out too well were they?
I suppose back when they were written, it was an almost unspoken agreement that if one of you children wasn't good enough for heaven, they weren't good enough for you and they deserved hell.
Oh and lets not forget, everyone in heaven is happy all the time, great drugs i assume.
I agree. And every time you argue a religious person into the corner, their final response is either, "look outside, or I spoke to/saw God!!!", which is a lame argument. I just want to say to them, "God doesn't sound like he's very specific when he talks to you, as you can't answer ONE of my questions." I'd also like to point out the fact that if only one God is the "true" God, there are going to be/are an AWFUL lot of people in/going to hell right now. :D
there is a verse in the Bible, and also pointed out in a C. S. Lewis book, "The Last Battle", it go something like this , "if you did good in his name, you did it for me. if you did bad in my name, it was not for me."
you're angry, but they know they have the choice. in truth, no one knows what will happen after death. but i am trying to live a good christian life and be nice to people. maybe that will be enough, maybe not. but i can hope.
I consider hedging your bets on an afterlife by being a christian to be remarkably short sighted. If we are to postulate that No one knows, but also keep the concept that God exists, then one must assume that god wants us to explore and discover it from the fabric of the universe, and 100% of our available sensory stimulus, not a singular book that was compiled and written by men less than 1800 years ago.
To place a name, descriptor or qualifier on what youre speaking of limits your chances of getting it right.
Im on the search for that which is responsible for the beginning of the universe, a concept which I refer to as "God". Whether this is an entity or a mechanism I cannot say, but as soon as I put qualifiers on it like "Its a guy, and he had a son named jesus" I immediately lose the ability to explore other possibilities.
You can hope, but then again, I HOPE god is a Rockstar. I dont assert.
I have a way to confront your family on heaven/hell. Just pose this little scenario that I'm about to explain (shuts 'em up every time). Let's say that you are an atheist sinner and your mother is a repentant sinner and believes in God. At the end of both your lives let's say for argument that there was a God, you're both judged and she stays in heaven and you go to hell. Now, if I was the mother, I would say that's not heaven because my son isn't there. What is God gonna do then? (cont.)
When I came out as an atheist my dad yelled at me for hours telling me 'in this house we believe in god' and that I could just leave... I was literally scared he was going to beat me, just because I didn't have blind faith like him. I had never seen that side of him before, I didn't even think he was religious. luckly my mom was way more rational.
I am doing pretty good with my family today, we never discuss the topic but I did lose a lot of respect for some family members.
it tells christians to kill those who are unbelivers, so he should read the part for the dad and ask him if he want to support a religion that wants him to kill he´s son.
hahah hilarious only in America or the middle east eh? Good to see you have the guts to stand up for truth you have to realize many people lack the confidence or ability to decided what they believe and often go to church ect because they would rather conform than be right.
I'm an atheist in a religious family, went through CCD and all that mess. I say I'm religious around 'em because there no point in causing them pain. They'd worry and I don't really get bothered I just start nodding and agreeing when the Jesus comes in, hold hands in prayer yadda yadda.
i see that type of 'coping' as being dishonest and hypocritical...well, maybe that's just me
it's like gay people that conveniently acting straight in the public/in front of the family/on the job, but once they put off that 'mask' at home, they can finally be their true self...what a horrible way of being & living life...imo again~~
Don't you feel like you are being fake or disingenuous?
I mean, It's like when a girl asks if the dress makes her look fat...It's good to spare her feeling if she has gained a little weight, but if you never say anything then she never knows how you truly feel and could potentially get so fat that you lose your attraction.
I'm just wondering if that fakeness might end up biting you in the ass, like when they find out that not only are you unsaved, but you are also a liar.
I can so relate to the Nick's out there. My fundie family freaked out when they learned of my nonbelief. Sone of them went batshit ballistic, and started making all sorts of accusations about me , spreading lies and calling me "satan". Most of them won't have anything to do with me. I think they would rather I told them that I had a horrible disease rather than I'm an atheist. My sister can't even pronounce "atheist". She calls it: "atha-fist". LOL
The answer is: You CAN'T . When they get that glazed look in their eyes, roll on the floor, shout and "speak in tongues", and every other word out of their mouth is jesus jesus jesus.....there is NO communication that will penetrate the superstitious, religion soaked mind. I never see any of them anymore. And that is good.
i know how you feel - life's too short to surround yourself with such ignorance. it's like a thin line that divides us and them and yet an entire universe apart in our difference of perspective.
Wow, I guess I'm kind of lucky. My father is so loose about the bible and faith that he might as well be a deist, but since he was raised Catholic obviously he thinks he's Catholic. My mother on the other hand was raised fundy Irish Catholic, but fortunately with her she has convinced herself I'm not actually an atheist, she's convinced I'm a good Catholic boy who's just having a conflict of faith and that someday I'll make my peace with God.
The 'problem' with Matt's last point is that their response will be "He has revealed himself to you many times but your 'closed mindedness' did not allow you to see"
They will not accept that god is at fault for not revealing; it HAS to YOUR fault!
This then justifies their continued pestering in order to 'open your mind'
So a 3x omni God gave "evidence" to Matt that being 3x omni he would already know be rejected & not sufficient to Matt?
God sure was trying hard...
Lol the open mindedness comment reminds me of one caller that phoned the show & gave instructions on some ghost detecting device, but said in order for it to work your mind needs to be so open like a new born baby's that would sit & play with poo
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All that exists is contingent to something else. The origin of the matter in the universe needs to be explained by the matter creating abilities of a non-contingent power. This non contingent power needs to exist by it's own necessity. Energy is proven to be non-contingent. Therefore a form of energy must had created the universe. Energy has the same attributes we give God, therefore is plausible that God had created the universe.
dejesusluisx 2 months ago
That's the best way to make a loony believer go away. "If there is a god, pray to him to reveal himself to me as he did to you."
Now git! Start prayin'.
ChipArgyle 4 months ago
3:56 funny laugh
horbergaren 8 months ago
@cfarinho1 Actually, the cross was a pagan symbol that the RC church stole when they merged the two religions. It was used for centuries before Christianity was founded.
Religion has caused a lot of harm to society, and it isn't just due to the wars it has incited or the politics involved. In my own personal life I've received threats, been constantly told I'm going to burn in Hell, been ostracized by various communities, lost my family, and I could go on and on...
It's poison.
aliasbrush 8 months ago
The imposing of a belief is wrong when you tell someone there is this invisilble being and proceed to claim to do everything in its name people have a right to resist you. A person may come to beleive not be forced to go along with.
cynt123able 8 months ago
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The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. (Romans 1:18-20)
StevieWonder501 9 months ago
@Tarn1968 Now, did Jesus ever command His followers to kill other races?
StevieWonder501 9 months ago
Grrr why are so many of these AA clips fo quiet??
OrthodoxDarwinist 10 months ago
The key to even consider your beliefs may be wrong is to understand your own psychology and how confirmation bias works. Until you do that, you are prone to maintaining your faith with all sorts of "evidence" you think you've collected over the years, such as "miracles" you've seen, people being "healed", etc. I know someone who is convinced a healer predicted the exact size of a cyst his mom had just by touching a cloth from her. He always goes back to that story as one of the pillars of faith.
pedazodeboludo 10 months ago
Just be yourself. We honour people when we are honest. Your fond regard and affection for your family will show through despite what they know about your irreligous views. But expect the worse. Try to be patient and know when you are enduring the worst attacks it won't be forever. Try not to lose your temper or start a fight. Leave early if things start to get out of hand but with dignity and respect and proper bye for now, not by slamming doors or in a huff etc.
intermender 10 months ago
I love these videos, but the audio is terrible.
Jaybird196 10 months ago
My fundamentalist Christian family, surprisingly, handled my 'coming out' as an atheist quite well.
My wife deconverted at around the same time I did, and unfortunately her family has pretty much disowned her. They don't call her or return her calls. She had a much closer and more intimate relationship with them than I did with mine, which made their reaction rather surprising.
But maybe, in some ways, that closeness intensified their reaction. Either way, it sucks.
shantih433 11 months ago
"Mom, dad: I'm gay."
"WHAT?!?!"
"Just kidding. I'm an atheist. Pass the mashed potatos, please." (Make sure you say "please.")
SubconsciousGatherer 1 year ago 25
@SubconsciousGatherer BUAHAHAHAHA! xD I love you man.
DanteMoodyFilms 10 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer: Genius.
chinopisces 2 months ago
get help for your family, religion is a mental illness.
shinigami19xx 1 year ago 8
what's the name of the intro song?
Atheist603 1 year ago
I succesfully mostly deconverted some close familymembers.
However 'mostly' is about as far as you're going to get probably. But it's still usually good to do! (Except maybe when the family members are very old and near death or something.) You can get rid of the nonsense baggage, and bring someone MUCH closer to rationality.
Generally though, this requires a much gentler touch then the verbal sledgehammers I like to use on the 1nt3rw4bs.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
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1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis Do you think that you are a big hero, now that you have asked this silly, flawed and stupid question?
Atheism is the lag of believe in a god or gods. So you want us to prove that there is a supernatural beeing in the sky!? You make the claim, that's why you have the burden of proof.
Shockofgod makes an absolute fool out of himself and doesn't even notice it. This question fails like Ray Comforts banana argument fails.
Ray admitted his fault.
Shockofgod does not = EPIC FAIL!!!
MrRedRooster 1 year ago
@MrRedRooster No I'm not a hero, I never have claimed to be one.
I thought that atheists dont believe in any god. What I find amazing is that atheists claim that there is no evidence for the existance of GOD but they have not proven in way that He doesn't. You got that right I absolutely believe in a Supreme Being that is the creator of all of creation and is very muc involved in our lives today. Just because you dont believe in Him doesnt mean a thing.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis It's only the "question" I'm totaly upset with because it makes no sense at all and people think that they have proven something by asking it. If I told you it is necessary for you to send me 1000$ in order to go to heaven, do you believe me? And when you ask me why, I just say that it is your job to find it out.
That makes no bloody sense.
MrRedRooster 1 year ago
@MrRedRooster What concrete proof do you have that atheism is true. I'm not talking about the fact that in order to believe in something you have to be able to see it. I can't see all the stars in the universe but I know that they are there. Just because someone might not agree with what is in the Bible does not mean that it isn't the inspired word of GOD. What if atheism is flat out wrong? You see I believe that there is a GOD and I dont believe in evolution or reincarnation.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis I'm watching this whole theist / atheist youtube drama for a while now and it looks to me like a kindergarten fight. I live in a country with a 50/50 believer, nonbeliever ratio and this kind of childish bahaviour is non existent here. I just wanted to point out how absolutely flawed the "question" you asked is and didn't meant to criticize your believes.
The basic point of my posts is that I hate the stupidity of shockofgods question which he celebrates like a big triumph.
MrRedRooster 1 year ago
@MrRedRooster I agree with you this whole atheist/theist thing has gotten way out of hand. What really gets me is that I was told by this atheist that I was vile just because of my comments. Why is it when atheist criticize theists it is alright but when the shoe is on the other foot it is all wrong. Frankly, I'm fed up with it. If a person chooses to be a believer in GOD what is it to atheists?
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis I guess it's because of the 80% christians that live in the US who, without a doubt, influence every aspect of public and politic life. On the one hand your constitution guarantees the equality of every citizen but on the other hand atheists are treated like 2nd class or lower and that's something you can become angry about. On youtube it only appears like christianity is under a "major attack" but it's just a forum for people who have no other place to go with their ideas.
MrRedRooster 1 year ago
@MrRedRooster Could you please explain to me how that atheists have been treated like second class citizens. How are their rights infringed upon. Has their god been kicked out of every aspect of public life just because of an evil woman didnt want her son being taught about GOD in school. God is being removed from all aspects of public life. It is obvious that Christianity is under attack here.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis As far as I know your constitution promotes the seperation of state and religion, that is why the "evil woman" has the right to do what she did. The same rights for everyone but the state has to be neutral and public schools are part of the state. Just imagine that you are part of a minority and the other "side" violates your right in order to push their agenda.
Nobody sais that comming along with eachother is easy but at least your laws are a fair basis.
MrRedRooster 1 year ago
@MrRedRooster There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the constitution.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis U.S. Constitution - Amendment 1:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof....
You can't make it a law to pray to one specific god or teach about it. The state is not allowed to benefit one religion over the other.
Conclusion: The church is seperated from the state.
MrRedRooster 1 year ago
@MrRedRooster Welll then how come Islam is taught in schools, that is a major religion. How come the government is telling churches that if they dont hire homosexuals then they will be arrested for hate crimes. It seems to me if there is the church is separated from the state then what right does the government have telling the church what to do. That would be like the chuch of satan hiring a Chrisitan.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis You have to distinguish from private and public schools. If the isalm is taught in public schools then go ahead and claim your rights. This is a good example of seperation of church and state. If you open up the schools for religion then ALL are the same and that ends up in a desaster.
But, all this is referring to "teaching", you are still allowed to "exercise" your religion like praying and so on.
To your 2nd point: That does more harm than good if it's really true.
MrRedRooster 1 year ago
@1954phyllis - Are you from Iran?
freakystyley4000 1 year ago
@freakystyley4000 No I'm an American citizen. I'm sure glad I dont live in Iran.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis - ah I initially took your statement to be 'wishful thinking' (as though you WANT a religiously run government). Sorry.
I do see what you're saying. Your constitution does state a separation of church and state, however your governments are full of devout, pandering god-botherers.
freakystyley4000 1 year ago
@freakystyley4000 I believe that the government should have no rights to tell the churches what to do since there is supposedly the separation of church and state. If someone decides to pray over his or her meal in a public place then that person should have that right. I believe that if a group decides to sing at a national monument then that group should not be kicked off the property. If preacher decides to preach on the street that he shouldn't be arrested.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@1954phyllis - one can pray at McDonalds over their meal if they wish. I myself have allowed a group of young Muslim men to pray in a secluded corner of the lobby at Four Points by Sheraton Darling Harbour when I worked there are a few years ago.
These places are not public property though, ergo, THE STATE.
A national monument however IS the State and therefore no religion should be allowed to be expressed there. None.
And ye, a preacher (a.k.a. nutjob) may preach in public, sure.
freakystyley4000 1 year ago
@1954phyllis WTF are you talking about?
Deepsand101 1 year ago
What can one do if you're an athiest living in a religious home? It's one thing if you've already moved out, but another if you still live with mom and dad, and being forced to go to church.
ChickenRamen 1 year ago
very tragic that such things can remove family bonds.
mistereveready 1 year ago
@mistereveready Stupid is a better word than tragic.
bfahren 1 year ago
@bfahren well that is partially why i said tragic. stupidity is often a tragedy. it would be bad to lose family for any reason, but imo, even worse for petty shit like religious faith.
mistereveready 1 year ago
If soeone says they believe in Jesus, but does not love his fellow man, they are a liar.
timber51972 1 year ago
@timber51972 Absolutely, you've got that right.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
i feel for the caller...i'm very lucky to have a family who love me no matter how our beliefs vary
mmiddl06 2 years ago 3
yes if my family thought of me bad for being atheist i would tell them to fuck off and leave
patrickledford420 2 years ago
To Frigginguest:
God created us with free will. He didn't want mindless puppets. He wanted us to be like children, his children. Look in at 2nd Peter 3:8-9 if you have a Bible. It says " God isn't late with his promises as some measure lateness. He is restraining himself on account of you, holding back the End because he doesn't was anyone lost. He's giving everyone space and time to change." He wants you to love him, not just mindlessly follow him. You've heard, now its up to you.
cutiebye2012 2 years ago
@cutiebye2012 he knows what were gonna do before we do it that takes away freewill either hes all knowing and all powerfull or we have no freewill prove me wrong really try it i want u to display ur ignorance
patrickledford420 2 years ago
he knows what we will do, but he wants to have the choice, not to follow mindlessly. you would probably hate him if you had to serve him no matter what. in a hundred years, i know where I'll be. Do you?
cutiebye2012 2 years ago
One can have free will without war, disease, death, famine, and the republican party.
You don't need to be tortured to know that you like hot chocolate.
WeedGreenPowerRanger 2 years ago 11
he knows were gonna do it think for once that takes away our freewill u idiot
patrickledford420 2 years ago
Being tolerant of others is important, regardless what religion (or lack thereof) you are. Just because someone has different beliefs doesn't mean that you can't be associated with them. It's really not that serious.
I don't believe in a god, but just because other people around me DO, doesn't mean I can no longer talk to these people.
"Declaring" that you're an Atheist is stupid anyway. Its not like "coming out". Just go about your day. How hard is that?
As long as no one evangelizes...
JVIPER88 2 years ago
Best to be in the closet with believers you care about. Just as you don't tell people you care about that you have opposite political view. Doing otherwise will almost never work unless they are very open minded. This comes from learning the hard way. I have converted one friend to atheism in my lifetime. The friends and family I am close to are open minded. I have lost contact with everyone else and I regret that.
ndyt 2 years ago
It's not the 'God is responsible for all human deaths' thing that bothers me. It's the fact that (if he existed) he would be responsible for Hell. If you think is okay to torture another human being NO MATTER WHAT THEIR CRIME, then you are just evil.
Your religious cult is evil. It preaches hatred, slavery, and condones the most hideous violence and torture imaginable. There is nothing any 'sacred' book could say that would undo all the harm to society religion has caused since it was invented.
aliasbrush 2 years ago 25
@aliasbrush If a person goes to hell it is that person's fault because that person has rejected Jesus who is the only way to heaven. No when you say that Christians are evil you should ask yourself this question. Who has aborted millions of defenseless unborn babies, killied millions of people just because they worshipped GOD. Look at all the Christians that have been killed in communist China, Russia. Atheists are reponsible for more deaths than Chritians.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
@aliasbrush The Christians keep saying that atheists like us don't have any morals because we think the "bable" is crap. The muslims call their religion "islam" which is supposed to mean "way to peace". The other religions are no better, saying they are the only ones who "know the way". Yet they all believe in an imaginary friend floating in the sky. Too bad there ain't that many in the world who agree (like me) with what you said.
metz3962 9 months ago
@metz3962 Just wanted to come in for something.
We don't say you don't have any morals, for one.
Two, Islam means "submission," not "way to peace."
Three, Christianity is the only religion that says it's the one way. Islam could be a runner up, but I've heard too many Muslims say that you just have to be good to enter Paradise. I believe it even says in the Qur'an that People of the Book go there as well.
God Bless
StevieWonder501 9 months ago
@StevieWonder501 About what people believe that atheists don't have any morals, don't mistake yourself by saying "we", because I've heard that phrase many times by fervent believers. As for two, it could mean "way to peace" as well as "submission to god". As for three, there is about 10 000 religions in the world plus as many sects and they ALL saying THEY have THE way! You really think anybody would settle for anything that they don't consider to be the ultimate way with their very soul??
metz3962 8 months ago
@metz3962 I believe Jesus was truly the only religious leader who strictly said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to Father except through me."
How can we know which religion is right? By testing each one and seeing how they hold up. For me, my belief stands alone on the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. If you take that down, my whole faith falls with it.
StevieWonder501 8 months ago
@StevieWonder501 Well if that is the only pillar holding up your faith then prepare to lose it. To put it simply there is no evidence that the event even happened other than in the bible which doesn't count because not only is it circular reasoning but the story is different in all four gospels. Also the death, wait 3 day and rise from the dead thing isn't even unique to Jesus. The same story is told in many other religions and they all involve a son of god or savoir type figure.
xynth101088 8 months ago
@xynth101088 I want you to go step by step to refute the Resurrection. Tell me in the Gospels what is so contradictory.
See, here's the thing. When an atheist or person of another religion sees that the Gospels are similar, they say "HA! They copied from one another! No eyewitnesses!" ...when they see any differences, they say "HA! They're contradictory! No eyewitnesses!" ...can you even begin to see the headache this gives us who have actually read the Gospels with an open heart and mind?Gbu
StevieWonder501 8 months ago
@StevieWonder501 Well as a none believer it should be the other way around. You should be the one to convince someone else that the event actually happened if you believe it did. And no. no one would say "ha they copied each other" if the 4 gospels were the same. that would actually make things easier and would only have to look at one of them and figure out who wrote it first and if there was any hard evidence that what happened happened.
xynth101088 8 months ago
@StevieWonder501 the fact that none of them match up should be proof enough that 3 if not all 4 got it wrong. there is evidence to point out that some did copy, while others edited, and some seem to just write things that they heard about but didn't have all the information so included what they thought sounded right at the time. but there is nothing to show there was some sort of plan for why they are all different and contradict each other.
xynth101088 8 months ago
@StevieWonder501 And just to give you a few names so you can look up the stories yourself so you can see the similarities. A few of these guys that Jesus copied were Mithra, Dionysius, and Horus. These are just the ones I remember right off the top of my head. And not only did they die the same but they had similar lives. Such as some being born on dec 25, having 12 disciples, being a carpenter, bringing people back to life, among many other things that jesus is known for.
xynth101088 8 months ago
@xynth101088 Oh dear. You actually resort to using the Mithras, Horus, and Dionysius argument?
First of all, Jesus WAS NOT born on the 25 of December. That is just to correlate it with Christmas, a pagan holiday adopted by us.
Have you actually read the myths? Or did you just get the idea off an article on the internet? (Where most people get it)
Yes, there is evidence other than the Bible that Jesus died. I'm sure you've heard of Josephus, but the Talmud mentions it as well.
StevieWonder501 8 months ago
@StevieWonder501 That is kind of my point most if not all of things done by jesus or things related to jesus came from other religions, not just the birthday, but the virgin birth, many of the miracles, etc also came from these other religions. If you were to take everything away from Jesus that is unique to him you are pretty much left with a normal man in his 30's.
And i've never heard of talmud, but Josephus' mention of Jesus has been confirmed by scholars as an add in not written by him.
xynth101088 8 months ago
@xynth101088 1. I don't believe anything is going to convince you that the hope within me is true if you aren't having ears to hear. 2. The Talmud is a Jewish commentary on the Old Testament and was written after the time of Jesus. It is used by many Jews today, I believe. 3. Name the scholars that have discredited Josephus. 4. Show me contradictions in the Resurrection account.
1 Corinthians 15 lays out my belief in the Resurrection.
StevieWonder501 8 months ago
@StevieWonder501 I don't see how something Jewish is helping the case for Jesus since if he existed they denied him. No names were given. it is just a consensus among people studing that most of what he wrote about was true, but the part concerning only jesus looks edited in because it doesn't fit the passage. Like it was just thrown in willy nilly.
xynth101088 8 months ago
@xynth101088 Jews deny that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah; they don't deny He existed.
The Bible is a historically accurate book. Therefore, we can trust it. I don't believe it's the Word of God because it says that it's "god-breathed;" I could write a book and claim the same, yet I could be totally wrong.
Refer me to the specific passages where there are contradictions, and we can work through them if you're willing.
StevieWonder501 8 months ago
@StevieWonder501 >Bible is a historically accurate book.
watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14
And even if it was, it is a non-sequitir to jump from "The Bible has historically accurate information" to "Therefore all the supernatural occurrences/concepts/beings in the Bible are also true."
TheGeneralCritic 1 month ago 2
@TheGeneralCritic (...nice link)
So, can you back that up please?
The reason why you can accept the miracles is because you are coming from the presupposition that miracles cannot happen - just like David Hume, who witnessed a miracle firsthand yet said that "miracles cannot happen."
If the Bible is a *historically accurate* book, how could it be wrong to then conclude that these occurrences really happened?
StevieWonder501 1 month ago
@StevieWonder501 Sure, I can back that up.
So to get this all straight, your position is this: because the Bible contains accurate historical information about dates, times, places, wars, etc. then it can be a logical leap to say that the miracles within its pages also occurred, correct? I don't want to misrepresent your position with what I'm about to say.
TheGeneralCritic 1 month ago 2
@TheGeneralCritic Yes - it would be logical of me to say that if it's historically accurate, and further contains fulfilled prophecy to substantiate that claim, then yes, the account of miracles contained within its pages surely occurred.
StevieWonder501 1 month ago
@StevieWonder501 I'm just going to deal with the 'historically accurate' part, since that's what we originally discussed. You can't insert other criteria this late.
Okay, so that's your claim: historically accurate events are enough to prove the fantastical/miraculous events connected with it.
Therefore, Spider-Man is real.
TheGeneralCritic 1 month ago 2
@TheGeneralCritic Correct - for people claim that Spider-man truly does exist. This can be backed up by innumerable historical evidences. We have written records from A. D. 1962 of this Spider-man (some textual critics have commented that this parallels the writings of the early church father, which state the man Jesus as being the "God-man"). Upon this, there is footage of him flying around New York City in Spiderman I-III (the clearest being from after 2000 A. D.)
StevieWonder501 1 month ago
@TheGeneralCritic Sorry, I just had to do that - but go on.
StevieWonder501 1 month ago
@StevieWonder501 You just made my entire point for me. Thanks a lot.
1. New York City exists.
2. Spider-Man lives in New York City.
3. Therefore Spider-Man exists.
TheGeneralCritic 1 month ago 2
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StevieWonder501 1 month ago
@TheGeneralCritic (I'm happy to hear your response, but first I would recommend Craig Keener's book called "Miracles" - I don't have it on hand, but it's a two volume book set on how miracle accounts, such as those in Acts, can indeed be reliable.)
StevieWonder501 1 month ago
@StevieWonder501 As for the resurrection, extraordinarily claims need extraordinarily evidence and there simply isn't enough evidence for the guy to even exists let along the fact to have been killed to rise again. The only information comes from the bible and that is not only circular but flawed. Like the 4 stories not agreeing on the number of men/angels, if the tomb was open or closed, when the women came, who said what and when, among others. which just makes the whole thing sound fishy.
xynth101088 8 months ago
@xynth101088 And again, on your own free time I would read 1 Corinthians 15 just to see what I'm trying to say, if you haven't already.
Grace and Love
StevieWonder501 8 months ago
@aliasbrush Harm to society? The very reason you're able to write this comment freely on Youtube is probably mostly due to Christianity.
StevieWonder501 9 months ago
@StevieWonder501 And how the frick do you work that one out? Since when has freedom of speech been attributable to your religion? According to your book of myths, I should be put to death for any number of trivial reasons. Christianity has a history of wiping out all those that have opposed it.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
- Matt 10:34
aliasbrush 9 months ago
@aliasbrush Well, considering most other countries who aren't mostly Christian aren't able to have the freedom of speech...I think my bet's pretty safe.
So, you call murder a "trivial reason?"
And yes, "Christians" (not really) have killed people in the Crusades and Inquisition. Did Jesus command this? No.
Jesus said that He came to turn family members against each other over himself. We can even see this in countries of other faiths, where a member is killed for their conversion to Christ.
StevieWonder501 9 months ago
@StevieWonder501 We gained freedom of speech when the church lost its power. The only countries that don't have it are the religiously oppressed ones.
And now you're accusing me of murder? Good one!
God commands stoning for all kinds of things - everything from working on the sabbath to speaking against your parents. Never mind sending people for Hell to not believing in a magical being that is invisible and undetectable by any means. How do you reconcile these beliefs with benevolence?
aliasbrush 9 months ago
@aliasbrush No, I'm not accusing you of murder. You seem to think that's a "trivial" reason to be put to death.
Yes, people were stoned for speaking against their parents and for working on the Sabbath...your point?
God sends no one to Hell. We send ourselves there.
I see Him as loving because He *knows* our situation, for one. God's Son came down to die on the cross so that He may be glorified by us. He doesn't need us, but we need Him. You can either accept Him or reject Him. Graceandlove
StevieWonder501 9 months ago
@StevieWonder501 But I haven't committed murder, so why use that as a Strawman argument? I pointed out that God commands stoning for disobeying one's parents or working on the sabbath, so why do you keep switching it back to the topic of murder?
No one sends themselves to Hell. Again, you love twisting things don't you? I do not believe in God, but if I happen to be wrong, I'd be going there by default - I am not choosing anything. How can I be accused of rejecting something I cannot see?
aliasbrush 9 months ago
@aliasbrush I keep on "switching it back" all because you said that God commanded death for a "trivial reason."
Yes, God commanded stoning for those who disobeyed their parents.
Yes, God commanded death for those who worked on the Sabbath.
Yes, people send themselves to Hell. By nature we love sin. By nature we would rather go there than Heaven.
Can I reject your mind because I can't see it? Can I say you just don't have one? That you're mindless?
StevieWonder501 9 months ago
@StevieWonder501 Correction, my original words were: "...I should be put to death for any number of trivial reasons." Notice the *I*? Now since *I* have not committed murder, you are attacking a strawman.
Then you go on and agree that God commanded death for those other trivial things I mentioned, without seeing anything wrong with that picture. Are you nuts???
And, no, we do not love 'sin' by nature. I would rather do charity work than hurt people, favouring right over wrong. (...)
aliasbrush 9 months ago
@aliasbrush Oh you're right, I'm sorry about that. Didn't notice the *I* at first.
And yet, you still call breaking the Sabbath and disobeying parents trivial reasons for death? They are now, but they were definately serious back even when Jesus ministered under the Old Testament laws.
I'm really not getting your point with this one.
Yes, we do love sin by nature. That's good that you would love to do charity work, yet at the same time you reject God...is that good?
StevieWonder501 9 months ago
@aliasbrush One more thing.
I don't reject that we can all do moral good. You can't honestly say that someone like Ghandi did good deeds...and yet, we all fall short of the glory of God.
We are all made in God's image. This, along with our cultural values, influences those who don't have an ethical system of belief, like those who do not believe in God. A Muslim can do good, and yet their rejection of Jesus can be considered worthy of punishment.
I hope you come to accept Christ, my Savior.
StevieWonder501 9 months ago
@StevieWonder501 I don't want to go to hell. Now your god has the option to send me there or not.
hanspeterpitsch 3 months ago
wow I watched the entire video and the man in the red said what I have always said...atheist do believe there is a god and are just pissed at him. You have a lot of explaining to do????? wow God never did anything bad to any of us. men have caused serious problems and caused 90% of cancers. God loves. That's it. man in red shirt hates him...why??? I feel he is hypnotized and wants to convert others to atheism. why? believe what you want to believe and leave me alone. I dont make fun of atheist?
maryannluvsgod 2 years ago
you dont understand sarcasm... bah
C0ldking 2 years ago
how do you eventually make a point if all you do is be sarcastic?
maryannluvsgod 2 years ago
by explanation
C0ldking 2 years ago
If you believe in the christian god, then your god"s personal death toll stands at over 2 million.
WeedGreenPowerRanger 2 years ago
lol...I almost didnt bother commenting back but yeah....God is responsible for all deaths silly. we all die! when he sees fit.Christians arent afraid of death????
maryannluvsgod 2 years ago
Yeah, and if god is responsible for all deaths, then it makes your entire post moot. It makes God the ultimate serial killer, and the most immoral being in the universe.
Satan's death toll stands at 11, and they were at the behest of God, so that makes even those God's fault.
If we all die when he sees fit, then we all feel pain because he sees fit.
If god is the source of all pain and death, that makes satan into a rather nice fellow, don't you think?
WeedGreenPowerRanger 2 years ago 4
what about all he human murders? do they count? Everyone sins, everyone dies, and everyone goes to the afterlife. you choose where you spend eternity.
cutiebye2012 2 years ago
This guy was arguing that even those murders are at gods behest since God decides when someone lives and someone dies.
"You choose where you spend eternity" is a complete cop out if god has decided everything and there is no fate, as we were doomed to sin from the big bang.
The point of the argument is that if we have free will, then god cannot be omniscient.
WeedGreenPowerRanger 2 years ago
and the total death toll,would actually be billions upon billions over the generations. I thought atheist are suppose to be all the smart people???
maryannluvsgod 2 years ago
Actually, "billions upon billions" isn't even correct according to Evolutionary theory. There are more humans now than there have been accumulative in our 200,000 year history. So about 10 billion if that.
And I'm not an atheist, but I'm also not an idiot.
Define your god if you wish to continue the discussion. Are you a christian?
WeedGreenPowerRanger 2 years ago
billions upon billion OR 10 billion?
6 of one /half a dozen of another.
I couldn't even start having a discussion with someone so angry out of the gate.I just woke up on my day off and I am going to have a cup of coffee.Have a nice Saturday!
maryannluvsgod 2 years ago
Where do you detect any kind of anger? I'm simply stating facts here.
"Billions upon billions" implies more billions than one can count on their hands is all I meant. Its just a misleading term.
So again, are you a christian?
WeedGreenPowerRanger 2 years ago 2
If you take the Christian message, & more specifically the verse from Matt 22:14 which states "Many are called but few are chosen" if we apply some very simplistic & basic math concepts lets say there were 10 billion people in the entire history of mankind. Lets say many is just over 50%. So there would be more people going to hell than heaven. This from a God who knew b4 creating us that most of us werent going 2 heaven in the 1st place yet still created us knowing the majority would go 2 hell.
frigginguest 2 years ago
god is messed up, what an idiot
vwfreak23 2 years ago
do atheist know there is a HUGE difference between god and religion??? come on I dont buy there ignorance.
maryannluvsgod 2 years ago
I think people who win awards for their talent. They are thanking God for their talent. Why do atheist on purpose, act as though they don't understand that.When in fact you do!
maryannluvsgod 2 years ago
"LOUD NOISES"
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atheistfriends 2 years ago
I HAVE RECENTLY FOUND THE BIBLE TO BE FALSE AFTER BEING RAISED CATHALIC, i MARRIED A BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN, MY BELEIF HAS MADE MY FAMILY VERY ANGRY WITH ME. I LOVE THEM AND FEEL ALIENATED NOW.
billyboscoboy 2 years ago
why would a catholic care if someone was born again??? Its the same teachings but minus man made rules. Its more truthful. I dont get it?
atheist usually go from Catholicism to atheism. when in fact it was the church that made them not believe because of their false teachings. very sad.
maryannluvsgod 2 years ago
2:44
Objectively considering the quality of the music the vast majority of them were awarded for, i think they can legitimately think that something supernatural interfered so that people buy their albums.
RaychSeldon33 2 years ago
I definitely agree with Matt. It was quite hard and my family still has trouble accepting I don't accept God and this pure religion content. Considering my parents are quite dependent on science and then bash anything they don't use (I'm a theoretical computer science guy so I'm pretty much told by them that my 'petty' scientific method stuff is useless from them) and it's quite hurtful to me. Times change I guess. Got to hope families will have this problem less and less as generations pass
Entertainmentwf 2 years ago 2
Atheists FTW!!
ArrogantAtheist 2 years ago 2
Hitler was a roman catholic actually.
Shavarnarak 2 years ago 34
@Shavarnarak It's funny how some ignorant Christians say Einstein was a Christian, yet some ignorant atheists say that Hitler was a Christian.
StevieWonder501 9 months ago
@Shavarnarak My penis is a roman catholic.
MacHead31 9 months ago
You sir.....are an idiot.....
Nightmeare 2 years ago
Is he going to give me weekly visits with my son & the rest of my family in hell? Is it anything like prison, or am I just not going to get to see them again & have to just "deal". That would be like a doc that could bring someone back to life but instead told you he wasn't going to, but here's a mansion instead! No one seems to be able to answer that question. Is heaven really just a bunch of materialistic people who think it's ok their "sinful"family isn't there as long as I get a mansion?
scareglow77 2 years ago 2
Yeah, the rules weren't thought out too well were they?
I suppose back when they were written, it was an almost unspoken agreement that if one of you children wasn't good enough for heaven, they weren't good enough for you and they deserved hell.
Oh and lets not forget, everyone in heaven is happy all the time, great drugs i assume.
Forserean 2 years ago
I agree. And every time you argue a religious person into the corner, their final response is either, "look outside, or I spoke to/saw God!!!", which is a lame argument. I just want to say to them, "God doesn't sound like he's very specific when he talks to you, as you can't answer ONE of my questions." I'd also like to point out the fact that if only one God is the "true" God, there are going to be/are an AWFUL lot of people in/going to hell right now. :D
scareglow77 2 years ago 2
there is a verse in the Bible, and also pointed out in a C. S. Lewis book, "The Last Battle", it go something like this , "if you did good in his name, you did it for me. if you did bad in my name, it was not for me."
cutiebye2012 2 years ago
A quote which sounds remarkably like wanting all of the credit but none of the responsibility for ones actions.
Its remarkably hypocritical.
WeedGreenPowerRanger 2 years ago
you're angry, but they know they have the choice. in truth, no one knows what will happen after death. but i am trying to live a good christian life and be nice to people. maybe that will be enough, maybe not. but i can hope.
cutiebye2012 2 years ago
I consider hedging your bets on an afterlife by being a christian to be remarkably short sighted. If we are to postulate that No one knows, but also keep the concept that God exists, then one must assume that god wants us to explore and discover it from the fabric of the universe, and 100% of our available sensory stimulus, not a singular book that was compiled and written by men less than 1800 years ago.
You can hope, but you also limit your abilities.
WeedGreenPowerRanger 2 years ago
To place a name, descriptor or qualifier on what youre speaking of limits your chances of getting it right.
Im on the search for that which is responsible for the beginning of the universe, a concept which I refer to as "God". Whether this is an entity or a mechanism I cannot say, but as soon as I put qualifiers on it like "Its a guy, and he had a son named jesus" I immediately lose the ability to explore other possibilities.
You can hope, but then again, I HOPE god is a Rockstar. I dont assert.
WeedGreenPowerRanger 2 years ago
I have a way to confront your family on heaven/hell. Just pose this little scenario that I'm about to explain (shuts 'em up every time). Let's say that you are an atheist sinner and your mother is a repentant sinner and believes in God. At the end of both your lives let's say for argument that there was a God, you're both judged and she stays in heaven and you go to hell. Now, if I was the mother, I would say that's not heaven because my son isn't there. What is God gonna do then? (cont.)
scareglow77 2 years ago
these guys are great and have helped me alot :)
Polarbearhappy 2 years ago 3
love this show , good debate and clever arguments
I feel that I´m not alone
journeyman66 2 years ago 3
OMG the co-hosts laugh at 3:58 its way to funny lol
rhysyboy299 2 years ago
When I came out as an atheist my dad yelled at me for hours telling me 'in this house we believe in god' and that I could just leave... I was literally scared he was going to beat me, just because I didn't have blind faith like him. I had never seen that side of him before, I didn't even think he was religious. luckly my mom was way more rational.
I am doing pretty good with my family today, we never discuss the topic but I did lose a lot of respect for some family members.
astro1079 2 years ago 4
Quote Leviticus 24:16 for your dad and ask him if he genually want to support a religion that want to do that to you.
Gavlefilms 2 years ago
that doesn't make any sese.what does that verse have to do with anything?
sillysylviesly 2 years ago
it tells christians to kill those who are unbelivers, so he should read the part for the dad and ask him if he want to support a religion that wants him to kill he´s son.
Gavlefilms 2 years ago
hahah hilarious only in America or the middle east eh? Good to see you have the guts to stand up for truth you have to realize many people lack the confidence or ability to decided what they believe and often go to church ect because they would rather conform than be right.
Well done
bcmalloy 2 years ago
I'm an atheist in a religious family, went through CCD and all that mess. I say I'm religious around 'em because there no point in causing them pain. They'd worry and I don't really get bothered I just start nodding and agreeing when the Jesus comes in, hold hands in prayer yadda yadda.
thermusdermus 2 years ago 4
Damn that sucks... I probably wouldn't be able to play along like that...
kyokumajr 2 years ago 6
no way i could play along id become suicidal
shadows555 2 years ago
might work for you, but it didn't for me.
i see that type of 'coping' as being dishonest and hypocritical...well, maybe that's just me
it's like gay people that conveniently acting straight in the public/in front of the family/on the job, but once they put off that 'mask' at home, they can finally be their true self...what a horrible way of being & living life...imo again~~
toneshun 2 years ago
@thermusdermus damn dude! i feel sorry for you........ dont drink the kool-aid!
desconocidos27 1 year ago
@thermusdermus
Don't you feel like you are being fake or disingenuous?
I mean, It's like when a girl asks if the dress makes her look fat...It's good to spare her feeling if she has gained a little weight, but if you never say anything then she never knows how you truly feel and could potentially get so fat that you lose your attraction.
I'm just wondering if that fakeness might end up biting you in the ass, like when they find out that not only are you unsaved, but you are also a liar.
CrapnellGates 1 year ago
@thermusdermus same story here. it blows.
bloodties1 1 year ago
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finalfantasy8911 1 year ago
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@thermusdermus
Hm, and with an all knowing, omnipotent god on their side, they are still blissfully unaware.
finalfantasy8911 1 year ago
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@thermusdermus
Hm, and with an all knowing, omnipotent god on their side, they are still blissfully unaware.
finalfantasy8911 1 year ago
rofl at rapper thanking god and all the hos in the hood.
ghostinthefog1666 2 years ago
fo sho! lol
blindreaper21 2 years ago
haha by the way they do that alot!lol!
sillysylviesly 2 years ago
I can so relate to the Nick's out there. My fundie family freaked out when they learned of my nonbelief. Sone of them went batshit ballistic, and started making all sorts of accusations about me , spreading lies and calling me "satan". Most of them won't have anything to do with me. I think they would rather I told them that I had a horrible disease rather than I'm an atheist. My sister can't even pronounce "atheist". She calls it: "atha-fist". LOL
PaineLover 2 years ago 6
big lol - out of interest, how do/did you handle them?
spotlitkiss 2 years ago
The answer is: You CAN'T . When they get that glazed look in their eyes, roll on the floor, shout and "speak in tongues", and every other word out of their mouth is jesus jesus jesus.....there is NO communication that will penetrate the superstitious, religion soaked mind. I never see any of them anymore. And that is good.
PaineLover 2 years ago 3
i know how you feel - life's too short to surround yourself with such ignorance. it's like a thin line that divides us and them and yet an entire universe apart in our difference of perspective.
spotlitkiss 2 years ago 3
Wow, I guess I'm kind of lucky. My father is so loose about the bible and faith that he might as well be a deist, but since he was raised Catholic obviously he thinks he's Catholic. My mother on the other hand was raised fundy Irish Catholic, but fortunately with her she has convinced herself I'm not actually an atheist, she's convinced I'm a good Catholic boy who's just having a conflict of faith and that someday I'll make my peace with God.
imnoromeo 2 years ago 3
What's the music?
RadicalWhig 3 years ago
John Butler - "Televangelist"
kyokumajr 3 years ago
The 'problem' with Matt's last point is that their response will be "He has revealed himself to you many times but your 'closed mindedness' did not allow you to see"
They will not accept that god is at fault for not revealing; it HAS to YOUR fault!
This then justifies their continued pestering in order to 'open your mind'
Hopeful71 3 years ago
So a 3x omni God gave "evidence" to Matt that being 3x omni he would already know be rejected & not sufficient to Matt?
God sure was trying hard...
Lol the open mindedness comment reminds me of one caller that phoned the show & gave instructions on some ghost detecting device, but said in order for it to work your mind needs to be so open like a new born baby's that would sit & play with poo
(or something similar)
kyokumajr 3 years ago