Creationism and evolution should both be taught in schools so that children can make up their own minds. Hmmmm...
If that notion were actually valid, and not just a religionist ploy to have their indoctrination of superstition and nonsense imposed on children more openly, then they have to also agree that evolution is also taught in all churches and sunday schools where creationism is currently being taught exclusively.
Any religious institution up for it? Or do they all only want it one way?
The reason why creationism can jumped to the front of the line is because of religion and the religious majority. The majority of mankind have been brainwashed into thinking that everything in the bible is true. The bible is just an old new age book that lies to it's readers. Creationism=religion=pagan cults=satanism=the illuminati. They are all tied together and want to mislead mankind. They want to replace the truth with lies. Creationism has no place in schools where we search for the truth.
Nice, bring up how kids are slaves to justify your classroom preference... Asshole. "Let the blacks decide what language they'll speak?! You don't let a black decide when to work do you?! *cracks whip*" But, you know, might makes right.
@LibertyKave kids are not rational enough to make decisions. Its why we don't let them decide where to live, how to spend money or let them drive. We only let people who spend decades in universities decide what is scientific truth.
@howerut By all means, link it. Because I've not heard anything at all anywhere in any media platform stating that the Iraq invasion was at long last justified. Maybe its the same document that says Saddam and Osama were good friends, even though it was no secret that bin Laden hated Hussein?
I am thirty seconds in and here is what I have to say to creationists (and only creationists);
1) let the kids decide? What do you think a school is? Should they decide what math is? Should they be allowed to say "you know what would make a better PE class? A giant TV and an Xbox because I can exhaust myself playing Halo as easily as running laps....)
2) What if the universe is billions of years old? What if we were once Monkeys instead of dirt....you can still have Jesus in this. Get over it
ok lets get 20 creationist scientist and do the scientific method with creationims and i wonder who will will. creationims. and there is much debate. and the bible says the world is round many times. and is there a good mutation? can you show me?
The term 'creationist scientist' is a contradiction in terms. No real scientist could ever be a creationist. If they are then they lose all credibility as they show clear bias to their personal beliefs where they begin with the conclusion then desperately try to force the evidence to fit. That is not how science works, in facts it's completely opposite. Credible scientists form there conclusion on the evidence & don't allow silly things like unfounded, religious......
@playd76 yeah they dont let there evolutionary beliefs get in the way. I agree with you 100% on the fact you should not be bias in your conclusion of evidence. You are trying to form a argument on the fact of saying creationist are dumb and cant be trusted. you forming a conclusion that you cant take their research seriously, is closed minded and not open to every idea. so you are letting you personal hatred for God get in the way.
Creationist have to be biased. Creationists begin with the presupposition that their chosen deity created the universe & everything in it 6,000 - 10,000yrs ago then desperately try to force the evidence to fit, discarding all evidence that conflicts with this. That is NOT science. Real scientists have no presuppositions & follow the evidence wherever it leads no matter what. No matter what you think, creationists ARE dumb & cannot be trusted, they blatantly lie & purposely mislead.
2// .....superstitions to influence there work as scientific enquiry is agnostic & has no opinion or concern for anything other than the evidence & the search for truth & understanding.
Creationists don't use the scientific method, what are you talking about?? They also refuse to submit their work down the implicit route of peer-review that EVERY scientific claim must do. The simple reason for this is, it doesn't hold up, but even so, they expect a direct injection into the school......
3// ......curriculum! Thankfully, that will never happen.
Regarding beneficial mutations, a few examples would be HIV immunity, resistance of bubonic plague, sickle-cell resistance to malaria, Resistance to atherosclerosis, lactose tolerance, antibiotic resistance in bacteria & of course, nylon eating bacteria. Funnily enough you'll only ever hear creationists claiming that mutations are all harmful just like they are the only people who reject evolution. Coincidence?
@Squweesh There is no such thing as creationist science. Creationism doesn't explain anything, therefore, it isn't a science. It is also completely, 100% bullshit, since evolution is a scientifically proven fact.
No, the bible says the world is flat several times, and never says that the earth is round. Yes, there are good mutations. The development of the spine was a mutation. There's a family in Massachusetts who hold a mutations that make their bones hundreds of times harder. That's good.
@Acorafication when i saya creationist scientist i mean a scientist who belives in creation. But you saying evolution is a proven fact is wrong, because i would belive in it if it was proven right, i would just be closed minded if did not accept if it was obvious that i was wrong. But that is not the case. But the family is never going to pass that mutation to the whole world, and it is a good mutation its natural selection which is a true process in its core.
Evolution IS a proven fact, you just don't understand, or you're simply not aware of the evidence. You need to realise that we have 300yrs of empirically gathered evidence, EVERY shred of which supports evolutionary predictions. Can you explain the nested hierarchy of genes in terms of creation for instance?
There is no question amongst the scientific community, evolution hasn't been in question since the mid 19th century & the only people who reject it do so on scriptural grounds.
"when i saya creationist scientist i mean a scientist who belives in creation"
Try finding a so called 'creation scientist' alive who has done anything to enhance our scientific understanding. Creation scientists make up 0.0001% of the biological community, & all just so happen to be religious fundamentalists. Does that not tell you something?
Why don't you give me some evidence for creation because i'm yet to see one iota that stands up to scrutiny.
You still rejecting beneficial mutations even though i've given you numerous examples which you've conveniently ignored just as every good creationist must. Another relevant point is that such mutations are difficult to find because how many people do you know go to the doctors to tell them they're feeling great?
Even if evolutionary theory was overturned (now impossible), evolution would still be an incontrovertible fact. We'd simply require another theory to show by what.........
........processes evolution proceeds. Creation incidentally was rejected as a scientific theory prior to Darwin's arrival. I suggest you look at things in a little more depth & quit obtaining your 'science' from religious sources. You may as well go to a car mechanic for medical advice.
@playd76 man your so right, all this time i have been so blind i just keep looking at my devotions and bible for proof. I have NEVER looked at any science behind it. Man thanks you just saved me from being an ignorant idiot.
@Squweesh It seems that spelling, grammar, capitalization, and punctuation have mutated several times within your response . . . and none of those mutations were "good."
yeah i tend to not look over my comments, but yeah ive learned you guys dont really belive in good mutations. I dont think people should even be getting all hung up about this. Its just whatever, belive what you want but dont shove it in my face, that goes for athieism and all the religions. You should be nice and modest to people in Gods name if your gonna prove a point, not trying to judge people all the time.But yeah i just go on here late and post comments with bad spelling, my bad.
@Squweesh It was a pun about your lack of belief in good mutations. I don't care about your spelling, I care about your belief in supernatural nonsense as science. Evolution is a proven fact, period.
Actually, I don't care about what you believe as long as you agree not to vote.
@TheJudoKevin yeah you obviously like to judge people on there beliefs instead of how they act. I know i cant have an logical argument with you because you will just throw political crap at me and try to tell me evolution is proven but not showing a lot of proof. So you have a good life try not to be soo bitter towards people over the internet.
@Squweesh There was nothing political about it. You have a belief in supernatural explanations for origins which is fine- except if you're going to vote on laws that I have to live with.
You can view evolution occurring on daily basis. You can take part in it yourself by reproducing. Take the time to read a science book, or if your feeling lazy, watch something from donexodus, csbair, etc.
Don't run away - we can keep discussing these topics - perhaps you can pursuade me.
yeah i dont think one of us are gonna walk out of this thinking something different lol. But yeah i mean i have watched alot on evolution and i read about it all the time. I signed up for biology in school and got my book during summer just so i could read up on evolution. But that was after i posted the comment about the mutations. But if i were to vote i would not let my religion get into play, i would let my moral though. we would both stand up for what is right.
Speciation as you've just stated & by creationist definition, falls under the non-scientific header of 'macro-evolution' & speciation has been observed in both the lab & in nature. Repeat, speciation has been directly observed therefore 'macro-evolution' has been directly observed. What was it you were saying about arrogance/ignorance resting with somebody?
Would i be right in saying you're going to move the goal posts?
@playd76 hes talking about like a list of one animal goin to another and its as clear as day it did in the fossil record. show me some fossils that appeared in the pre-cambrian and you will shock me.
If you dispute that we have intermediate fossils of almost every species on earth showing a gradual transition that is also supported by the order of morphology as you move through the rock strata, then all i can say is that you are ignorant of the evidence & speak about something you clearly have no understanding of.
Most fossils from the Precambrian are stromatolites but we've also found archaea cells, cnidaria......
2// .....early arthropods & numerous others. You need to understand that the Precambrian makes up approx seven-eighths of earth's history where multicellular life first took hold. What exactly would you expect to find? Most life were soft-bodied organisms making fossilisation extremely rare.
Can you explain the order of complexity found in the fossil record in terms of creation/a flood?
@freewheeler2909 lol anyone who asks "where are the missing links" doesn't know the first thing about evolution, or how fossil evidence is just 'bonus' material for evolution.. Go look up what the fuck you're talking about before you make yourself look like a retard next time, maybe then someone with an iq above 85 will take you seriously.
I agree with JamesMorlan, this debate tears people apart, and turns people against another. Would I contradict myself if I made a video about this debate after posting this?
It's not the debate that tears us apart, it's religious conflict & religious oppression. We're simply speaking out against such absurdity. We don't want our children's minds being corrupted by superstitious nonsense. Teaching creationism is wrong. Like Judith Hayes once said, "If we are going to teach 'creation science' as an alternative to evolution, then we should also teach the stork theory as an alternative to biological reproduction."
Life just boggles the mind. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all just forget about any of this crap regarding whether we were created or evolved and just enjoy life?
I'm afraid that when creationism threatens our childrens educations system then unfortunately it isn't as simple as that. These retarded beliefs need to be stamped out, there's simply no question about it, life evolved & to try & teach children otherwise is a crime.
It is important for us to understand how life evolved for a number of reasons, mostly as our understanding of 'how' creates invaluable advances in medical science. Evolutionary theory directly saves lives on a daily basis.
Every path has its own rewards. Imagine how many lives could be saved on a daily basis if people simply didn't hate each other! Ah, but if only life could be so simple. Actually, it is at the core, but it is human nature to complicate everything.
Stamp out ignorance, not people. Educate with compassion, not hate; with intent to enlighten, not to destroy. What you focus on, expands.
Hey James, i fully agree that there is too much hate in the world but if you cancelled out the hate supplied by religious fundamentalism then that would be a pretty good start wouldn't you say? Just think how many lives are lost through religious intolerance & by the look of it that's only going to get worse.
I understand what you're saying but as far as 'evil' in the world goes, 'religion' is right up there at the route of things with 'greed, more often than not they're walking hand in hand.
Heh when you are referring to compassion, enlightenment and so on, I hope you aren't referring to preaching "The Gospel" cause that would be a perversion of christianity, bible thumpers are firmly grounded in the fact that god is vengeful and bad tempered, not perfect and certainly not righteous. You sound almost like a Bhuddist, Taoist, or any of the non-religion-religions which I totally respect if that's what you are, what I have no respect for, is three different tribes from the same root.
Creationism and evolution should both be taught in schools so that children can make up their own minds. Hmmmm...
If that notion were actually valid, and not just a religionist ploy to have their indoctrination of superstition and nonsense imposed on children more openly, then they have to also agree that evolution is also taught in all churches and sunday schools where creationism is currently being taught exclusively.
Any religious institution up for it? Or do they all only want it one way?
grahambkk 3 days ago
Well said!
laprofessorapai 6 months ago
The reason why creationism can jumped to the front of the line is because of religion and the religious majority. The majority of mankind have been brainwashed into thinking that everything in the bible is true. The bible is just an old new age book that lies to it's readers. Creationism=religion=pagan cults=satanism=the illuminati. They are all tied together and want to mislead mankind. They want to replace the truth with lies. Creationism has no place in schools where we search for the truth.
blarson12 9 months ago
In islamic countries which enforce sharia law, a judge's only qualification is to be well versed in toe Qu'ran.
bigbengamer 1 year ago
Nice, bring up how kids are slaves to justify your classroom preference... Asshole. "Let the blacks decide what language they'll speak?! You don't let a black decide when to work do you?! *cracks whip*" But, you know, might makes right.
LibertyKave 1 year ago
@LibertyKave kids are not rational enough to make decisions. Its why we don't let them decide where to live, how to spend money or let them drive. We only let people who spend decades in universities decide what is scientific truth.
howerut 1 year ago
But intelligent design sounds better :o It has the word "intelligence" in there! IT MUST BE TRUE!!!1one
Tiosh 1 year ago
@Tiosh Just remember, the people saying Saddam had nukes were operating in an agency that calls themselves 'intelligence.'
bigbengamer 1 year ago
@bigbengamer Saddam did have WMD's, wikileaks released something proving it.
howerut 1 year ago
@howerut By all means, link it. Because I've not heard anything at all anywhere in any media platform stating that the Iraq invasion was at long last justified. Maybe its the same document that says Saddam and Osama were good friends, even though it was no secret that bin Laden hated Hussein?
bigbengamer 1 year ago
I am thirty seconds in and here is what I have to say to creationists (and only creationists);
1) let the kids decide? What do you think a school is? Should they decide what math is? Should they be allowed to say "you know what would make a better PE class? A giant TV and an Xbox because I can exhaust myself playing Halo as easily as running laps....)
2) What if the universe is billions of years old? What if we were once Monkeys instead of dirt....you can still have Jesus in this. Get over it
butchdeadlift10 1 year ago 6
ok lets get 20 creationist scientist and do the scientific method with creationims and i wonder who will will. creationims. and there is much debate. and the bible says the world is round many times. and is there a good mutation? can you show me?
Squweesh 1 year ago
@Squweesh
1//
The term 'creationist scientist' is a contradiction in terms. No real scientist could ever be a creationist. If they are then they lose all credibility as they show clear bias to their personal beliefs where they begin with the conclusion then desperately try to force the evidence to fit. That is not how science works, in facts it's completely opposite. Credible scientists form there conclusion on the evidence & don't allow silly things like unfounded, religious......
playd76 1 year ago 4
@playd76 yeah they dont let there evolutionary beliefs get in the way. I agree with you 100% on the fact you should not be bias in your conclusion of evidence. You are trying to form a argument on the fact of saying creationist are dumb and cant be trusted. you forming a conclusion that you cant take their research seriously, is closed minded and not open to every idea. so you are letting you personal hatred for God get in the way.
Squweesh 10 months ago
@Squweesh
Creationist have to be biased. Creationists begin with the presupposition that their chosen deity created the universe & everything in it 6,000 - 10,000yrs ago then desperately try to force the evidence to fit, discarding all evidence that conflicts with this. That is NOT science. Real scientists have no presuppositions & follow the evidence wherever it leads no matter what. No matter what you think, creationists ARE dumb & cannot be trusted, they blatantly lie & purposely mislead.
playd76 10 months ago
2// .....superstitions to influence there work as scientific enquiry is agnostic & has no opinion or concern for anything other than the evidence & the search for truth & understanding.
Creationists don't use the scientific method, what are you talking about?? They also refuse to submit their work down the implicit route of peer-review that EVERY scientific claim must do. The simple reason for this is, it doesn't hold up, but even so, they expect a direct injection into the school......
playd76 1 year ago 2
3// ......curriculum! Thankfully, that will never happen.
Regarding beneficial mutations, a few examples would be HIV immunity, resistance of bubonic plague, sickle-cell resistance to malaria, Resistance to atherosclerosis, lactose tolerance, antibiotic resistance in bacteria & of course, nylon eating bacteria. Funnily enough you'll only ever hear creationists claiming that mutations are all harmful just like they are the only people who reject evolution. Coincidence?
playd76 1 year ago 2
@Squweesh There is no such thing as creationist science. Creationism doesn't explain anything, therefore, it isn't a science. It is also completely, 100% bullshit, since evolution is a scientifically proven fact.
No, the bible says the world is flat several times, and never says that the earth is round. Yes, there are good mutations. The development of the spine was a mutation. There's a family in Massachusetts who hold a mutations that make their bones hundreds of times harder. That's good.
Acorafication 1 year ago
@Acorafication when i saya creationist scientist i mean a scientist who belives in creation. But you saying evolution is a proven fact is wrong, because i would belive in it if it was proven right, i would just be closed minded if did not accept if it was obvious that i was wrong. But that is not the case. But the family is never going to pass that mutation to the whole world, and it is a good mutation its natural selection which is a true process in its core.
Squweesh 10 months ago
@Squweesh
Evolution IS a proven fact, you just don't understand, or you're simply not aware of the evidence. You need to realise that we have 300yrs of empirically gathered evidence, EVERY shred of which supports evolutionary predictions. Can you explain the nested hierarchy of genes in terms of creation for instance?
There is no question amongst the scientific community, evolution hasn't been in question since the mid 19th century & the only people who reject it do so on scriptural grounds.
playd76 10 months ago
@Squweesh
1#
"when i saya creationist scientist i mean a scientist who belives in creation"
Try finding a so called 'creation scientist' alive who has done anything to enhance our scientific understanding. Creation scientists make up 0.0001% of the biological community, & all just so happen to be religious fundamentalists. Does that not tell you something?
Why don't you give me some evidence for creation because i'm yet to see one iota that stands up to scrutiny.
playd76 10 months ago
2#
You still rejecting beneficial mutations even though i've given you numerous examples which you've conveniently ignored just as every good creationist must. Another relevant point is that such mutations are difficult to find because how many people do you know go to the doctors to tell them they're feeling great?
Even if evolutionary theory was overturned (now impossible), evolution would still be an incontrovertible fact. We'd simply require another theory to show by what.........
playd76 10 months ago
3#
........processes evolution proceeds. Creation incidentally was rejected as a scientific theory prior to Darwin's arrival. I suggest you look at things in a little more depth & quit obtaining your 'science' from religious sources. You may as well go to a car mechanic for medical advice.
playd76 10 months ago
@playd76 man your so right, all this time i have been so blind i just keep looking at my devotions and bible for proof. I have NEVER looked at any science behind it. Man thanks you just saved me from being an ignorant idiot.
Squweesh 10 months ago
@Squweesh It seems that spelling, grammar, capitalization, and punctuation have mutated several times within your response . . . and none of those mutations were "good."
TheJudoKevin 10 months ago
yeah i tend to not look over my comments, but yeah ive learned you guys dont really belive in good mutations. I dont think people should even be getting all hung up about this. Its just whatever, belive what you want but dont shove it in my face, that goes for athieism and all the religions. You should be nice and modest to people in Gods name if your gonna prove a point, not trying to judge people all the time.But yeah i just go on here late and post comments with bad spelling, my bad.
Squweesh 10 months ago
@Squweesh It was a pun about your lack of belief in good mutations. I don't care about your spelling, I care about your belief in supernatural nonsense as science. Evolution is a proven fact, period.
Actually, I don't care about what you believe as long as you agree not to vote.
TheJudoKevin 10 months ago
@TheJudoKevin yeah you obviously like to judge people on there beliefs instead of how they act. I know i cant have an logical argument with you because you will just throw political crap at me and try to tell me evolution is proven but not showing a lot of proof. So you have a good life try not to be soo bitter towards people over the internet.
Squweesh 10 months ago
@Squweesh There was nothing political about it. You have a belief in supernatural explanations for origins which is fine- except if you're going to vote on laws that I have to live with.
You can view evolution occurring on daily basis. You can take part in it yourself by reproducing. Take the time to read a science book, or if your feeling lazy, watch something from donexodus, csbair, etc.
Don't run away - we can keep discussing these topics - perhaps you can pursuade me.
TheJudoKevin 10 months ago
yeah i dont think one of us are gonna walk out of this thinking something different lol. But yeah i mean i have watched alot on evolution and i read about it all the time. I signed up for biology in school and got my book during summer just so i could read up on evolution. But that was after i posted the comment about the mutations. But if i were to vote i would not let my religion get into play, i would let my moral though. we would both stand up for what is right.
Squweesh 10 months ago
creationism is simply not true???? glad you cleared that one up, the arrogance/ignorance rests with you.
Where are these missing links? im not talking about micro evolution in the species im talking about makro evolution.
one species to the other. please write back.
freewheeler2909 2 years ago
Speciation as you've just stated & by creationist definition, falls under the non-scientific header of 'macro-evolution' & speciation has been observed in both the lab & in nature. Repeat, speciation has been directly observed therefore 'macro-evolution' has been directly observed. What was it you were saying about arrogance/ignorance resting with somebody?
Would i be right in saying you're going to move the goal posts?
playd76 2 years ago
@playd76 hes talking about like a list of one animal goin to another and its as clear as day it did in the fossil record. show me some fossils that appeared in the pre-cambrian and you will shock me.
Squweesh 1 year ago
@Squweesh
1//
If you dispute that we have intermediate fossils of almost every species on earth showing a gradual transition that is also supported by the order of morphology as you move through the rock strata, then all i can say is that you are ignorant of the evidence & speak about something you clearly have no understanding of.
Most fossils from the Precambrian are stromatolites but we've also found archaea cells, cnidaria......
playd76 1 year ago
2// .....early arthropods & numerous others. You need to understand that the Precambrian makes up approx seven-eighths of earth's history where multicellular life first took hold. What exactly would you expect to find? Most life were soft-bodied organisms making fossilisation extremely rare.
Can you explain the order of complexity found in the fossil record in terms of creation/a flood?
playd76 1 year ago
@freewheeler2909 lol anyone who asks "where are the missing links" doesn't know the first thing about evolution, or how fossil evidence is just 'bonus' material for evolution.. Go look up what the fuck you're talking about before you make yourself look like a retard next time, maybe then someone with an iq above 85 will take you seriously.
throneofdecay 1 year ago
I agree with JamesMorlan, this debate tears people apart, and turns people against another. Would I contradict myself if I made a video about this debate after posting this?
Diablocazador 2 years ago
It's not the debate that tears us apart, it's religious conflict & religious oppression. We're simply speaking out against such absurdity. We don't want our children's minds being corrupted by superstitious nonsense. Teaching creationism is wrong. Like Judith Hayes once said, "If we are going to teach 'creation science' as an alternative to evolution, then we should also teach the stork theory as an alternative to biological reproduction."
Creationism is demonstrably false, why teach it??
playd76 2 years ago
Life just boggles the mind. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all just forget about any of this crap regarding whether we were created or evolved and just enjoy life?
JamesMorlan 2 years ago
I'm afraid that when creationism threatens our childrens educations system then unfortunately it isn't as simple as that. These retarded beliefs need to be stamped out, there's simply no question about it, life evolved & to try & teach children otherwise is a crime.
It is important for us to understand how life evolved for a number of reasons, mostly as our understanding of 'how' creates invaluable advances in medical science. Evolutionary theory directly saves lives on a daily basis.
playd76 2 years ago
Every path has its own rewards. Imagine how many lives could be saved on a daily basis if people simply didn't hate each other! Ah, but if only life could be so simple. Actually, it is at the core, but it is human nature to complicate everything.
Stamp out ignorance, not people. Educate with compassion, not hate; with intent to enlighten, not to destroy. What you focus on, expands.
JamesMorlan 2 years ago
Hey James, i fully agree that there is too much hate in the world but if you cancelled out the hate supplied by religious fundamentalism then that would be a pretty good start wouldn't you say? Just think how many lives are lost through religious intolerance & by the look of it that's only going to get worse.
I understand what you're saying but as far as 'evil' in the world goes, 'religion' is right up there at the route of things with 'greed, more often than not they're walking hand in hand.
playd76 2 years ago
Heh when you are referring to compassion, enlightenment and so on, I hope you aren't referring to preaching "The Gospel" cause that would be a perversion of christianity, bible thumpers are firmly grounded in the fact that god is vengeful and bad tempered, not perfect and certainly not righteous. You sound almost like a Bhuddist, Taoist, or any of the non-religion-religions which I totally respect if that's what you are, what I have no respect for, is three different tribes from the same root.
aqwiz 2 years ago
Trust me - I'm not referring to anything of a religious nature. Period.
JamesMorlan 2 years ago