Guess all the "haters" can give me a history lesson on Tae Kyun and its role in Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do? WOW!!!!
Every art has its merits and weaknesses, but most of them lie in the practitioner's unwillingness to accept new knowledge and incorporate it into their training.
Most revered Grand Master Hwang Kee ( Kee Hwang to be correct) said
"The number of techniques in Tang Soo Do are infinite ." If that doesn't mean to adapt, accept and incorporate what works I don't know what does.
I also don't care for the way cs Kim teaches the big steps between techniques. My dad was vp of itf for 4 years n da early 90s n he still stuck by sliding our feet rather than stepping. Realistically if u were n combat it would b way to easy for sumone to sweep u if u stepped high like dat. Good for tho she had alot of intensity. TANG SOO
Organization cause it all boils down to politics. N when u understand that ur training will me much more enjoyable. N I have been round most senior master n gms in tsd u can think of including cs Kim, jc shin, ki yun yi, hwang kee, hc hwang, Richard byrne, Andy ahpo even hapkido gm bong soo Han n I don't mean just attending clinics w em I know them cause of my dad n most of em not all r bout money n power.
I to have studied the history of the Korean arts and my father was taught by hwang kee and alot of other senior Korean masters. Do ne of u remember hearing about n interview in the 80's w a man who claimed to b hwang kees instructor n he said hwang kee was lying. He also said his father originally trained w funakoshi n alot of wut he wrote were lies to. My point is as long as u r effective n enjoy training in the style yr b stick to it. My father is no longer w a national
About the Japanese using Chinese techniques in there styles or the Koreans using Chinese styles in there hyungs or the Chinese using the Indian techniques in there styles. Who cares, how will u ever prove these theories as nobody is alive to validate them and alot of wut hwang kee wrote was bs. But sum of it wasn't.
All the talk bout tsd tradition n how it relates to tsd is pretty dumb. I've been studying tsd for 23 years my father for 54. Ur rite about the kwans in Korea and the other person is rite about the tang dynasty n soo bahk ki being 2500 or so years old. So what. Yes many of the Korean styles used Japanese techniques n kata in the hyung wut
Tae Kwan Do and Tang Soo Do are like Judo and Jujitsu, one is basically a game and the other is the "real" art. Tang Soo Do was developed with one focus in mind, and that was to kill people.
this is more like at the dance ,,,no like a real karate,,,these have speed ...but no puposes for some atacks...or defenses...in real case...this is without meaning...
when I studied in 1963 at Kimpo Korea the style presentation basically was the same. Her execution reflects what I see today, a more dance and posing style. her kicks were sloppy without power and her hand positions were anotomically wrong. Katas should be done with power , conrolled speed and correct form. The modern speed ballet has nothing to do with Karate only sesales revenues. Jim --Colombia
the screaming or ki-ap or spirit breath as it transles is done for 4 reasons
1 its tenses and affects the muscles causing you to strike harder
2 also by tensing the muscles with air being expelled it makes kinda like a protective shell
3 it increases adreniline
4 this is the one most people know and unfortunately the only one most black belts remember to teach, that is the ki-ap/scream also startles the opponent/ quickly instills fear surprise / intimidation
Well, I'm not expert, but from what I have learned is that Karate itself is derived from a Chinese martail arts during the Japanese conquest of all the islands in Japan now. And, as time has shown us, martail arts adapt and join with other styles. I may be wrong, but I think it's highly probable that this may be Tang Soo Do, which I have no experience with, mixed with Karate.
Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan is the traditional martial art of korea its anceint name is Soo Bahk the most anceint relic of historical referance was almost 2500 maybe 2200 yrs ago. The art it self maye predate korea actually being a contry. Also the symbols used for tang soo do in japanese are read as karate do, in chinese the symbols transale as The way of the hand of Tangm the style predates tang dynasty but was very popular during the tang dynasty hope this helps
yup all true, half the tang soo do guys dont even know there own origin now, i'm not saying that particular form 2200 yrs olld. The ancient name of the art was Soo Bahk and yes it does go back that far. Remember though there is no one ultimate martial art it all depends on the master the student the dedication the teaching and other factors. The name tang soo do was given till the mid 1900's. I;ve done a lot of research. In korea the forms are called hyungs
my fault typo. The name tang soo do was not given till the mid 1900;s before that names varied the fighting style was politcally supressed and band at points histoy and were practiced in secret. The original name was Soo Bahk. Yes true Karate is Japanese, Tang Soo Do just gets desribed as a type of karate and even adopts the term to describe itself which they really shouldnt,
I've studied a fair amount of books manusctips and also there are other things going back in history such as tomb paintings and sculptures depecting soo bahk. Now if your talking about Tae Kwon Do that will probably have a different origin all together since it is a different style but also korean.
Oh God!!Don't changes history!Ancient things, like tomb paintings of Three Kingdoms era etc etc have nothing to do with tang soo do. Tang Soo Do/Kong Soo Do comes from jaapanese and okinawan karate. That's it.
Ancient korean martial arts have no link with modern korean MA.
And Tae Kwon Do comes form Tang Soo Do/Kong Soo Do.
to be exact I'm specifically refering to Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan ancient name Soo Bahk. At times Soo Bahk was referred to as Soo Bahk Ki and now adays Soo Bahk Do. Have you read any of grand master Hwang Kee's books? Try vol 1 of Soo Bahk Do Tang Soo Do be patient while reading it to get the right message some sections you may have to read several times. The book is usually atleat 100$ and not everyone caries it. Check the local library. Also talk to some grandmasters of Tang Soo Do. :)
What Hwang Kee wrote in his books, doesn't mean that it is true!Moo Duk Kwan is one of five original kwan : it comes from Karate (same hyung=kata, pyung ahn/pinan, naihanchi/chulki/tekki, etc) and containes some chuanfa forms, but koranized.
So Changmookwan too.
I know very well korean karate history my friend. Ancient soobakki (now doesn't exist anymore) has no link with moodukkwan, even if now iyou call it subakdo. Subakdo mudukkwan is alway korean karate my friend.
I'm sorry to hear you feel that way, you do understand his books specifcally the 1st one does have many historical reference and even tells us where those references are founded and what they are. Soo Bahk Do (the do was added which translate to "the way of" as i'm sure you know) If read the entire book it tells of the links. As I said before ask Tang Soo Do grandmasters, All evidence must be looked be at and considered, If your still disagree thats your opinion based on you evidence same for me
random2d3, you have no idea what you're talking about. TSD and TKD and HKD are all derived from Japanese styles. Whang didn't redo his art until he found the Muye Dobo Tongji and he did this to make his art seem more "Korean". I have read Whang's books, and I have also read Funikoshi's. Look at the patterns of the kata in TKD & TSD. The founder of TKD was a BB in Shotokan. Koreans have changed the true history to cleanse the stains of Japanese occupation on their culture.
Yes its the traditional martial art of korea although in korea now adays its offically called its ancient name again Soo Bahk formerly in this point of time Soo Bahk Do.
I will say this: the first kata they are performin is clearly Bai Sai Da (excuse my spelling) to Penetrate a Fortress, and the second one is Guan Ku Dai.
There are some differences, but the forms are similar.
well they're pretty much the same, apparently hwang kee got most of his forms from reading karate books from a library in the train station he was working with. some people say that it was originally a korean form 500 or 600 years ago, but if that was true then shotokan would have come from them... so... yeah... still an awesome style regardless
still awesome in the sense that a big mac should be just as awesome in china?
well, big macs actually suck in china. It may look like a big mac: Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
but it just does not taste good. it doesn't even have a neutral taste. it is just a complete waste of time eating one.
Really like the demo I never liked the way C.S. Kim has people lift their leg when stepping forward but otherwise pretty nice. Especillay the woman. As for not using their hips I think that person has too look a little closer and probably needs more training.
no they are doin a realli out of date way of doin it. i member i was in a comp and a bunch of peps in my category did it like that and i did it the way grand master lee has said 2do it and i blow them out of the water. theres no hip power at all with any of their techniques
I have respect for all martial arts but the kankudai just seemed a little to kabuki.
toxi87 3 months ago
didn't like it, too crazy and useless, sorry to say that
Mrmetalm 4 months ago
Guess all the "haters" can give me a history lesson on Tae Kyun and its role in Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwon Do? WOW!!!!
Every art has its merits and weaknesses, but most of them lie in the practitioner's unwillingness to accept new knowledge and incorporate it into their training.
Most revered Grand Master Hwang Kee ( Kee Hwang to be correct) said
"The number of techniques in Tang Soo Do are infinite ." If that doesn't mean to adapt, accept and incorporate what works I don't know what does.
sabomnim628 7 months ago
Wow I love how some people are trying to run down Tang Soo Do / Soo Bahk Ki / Soo Bahk Do & Moo Duk Kwan.
People need to study the art(s) and history before they make uninformed remarks.
But what would I know? I have only studied this particular art for over 25 years and taught it for over 15.
sabomnim628 7 months ago
tsd is not karate if anything it looks more like a korean version of kung fu
ofomatheblackbelt 8 months ago
I bet she goes crazy in bed :D
SuperSneakySteve 11 months ago 2
What music is this?
ParkMinho 11 months ago
Funny. :-)
defaultpseudonym 1 year ago
Great!!!
slither9 1 year ago
This is a Bassai-Dai modification. Too flashy...
In my personal opinion, I prefer the Shotokan Karate style of Bassai-Dai.
Stomp the Fortress!!!
junlong0107 1 year ago 6
@junlong0107 ...Storm the fortress
MasterBarnes 7 months ago
constipation at 2:55
WindRider707 1 year ago
I also don't care for the way cs Kim teaches the big steps between techniques. My dad was vp of itf for 4 years n da early 90s n he still stuck by sliding our feet rather than stepping. Realistically if u were n combat it would b way to easy for sumone to sweep u if u stepped high like dat. Good for tho she had alot of intensity. TANG SOO
clinganc 2 years ago
Organization cause it all boils down to politics. N when u understand that ur training will me much more enjoyable. N I have been round most senior master n gms in tsd u can think of including cs Kim, jc shin, ki yun yi, hwang kee, hc hwang, Richard byrne, Andy ahpo even hapkido gm bong soo Han n I don't mean just attending clinics w em I know them cause of my dad n most of em not all r bout money n power.
clinganc 2 years ago
I to have studied the history of the Korean arts and my father was taught by hwang kee and alot of other senior Korean masters. Do ne of u remember hearing about n interview in the 80's w a man who claimed to b hwang kees instructor n he said hwang kee was lying. He also said his father originally trained w funakoshi n alot of wut he wrote were lies to. My point is as long as u r effective n enjoy training in the style yr b stick to it. My father is no longer w a national
clinganc 2 years ago
About the Japanese using Chinese techniques in there styles or the Koreans using Chinese styles in there hyungs or the Chinese using the Indian techniques in there styles. Who cares, how will u ever prove these theories as nobody is alive to validate them and alot of wut hwang kee wrote was bs. But sum of it wasn't.
clinganc 2 years ago
All the talk bout tsd tradition n how it relates to tsd is pretty dumb. I've been studying tsd for 23 years my father for 54. Ur rite about the kwans in Korea and the other person is rite about the tang dynasty n soo bahk ki being 2500 or so years old. So what. Yes many of the Korean styles used Japanese techniques n kata in the hyung wut
clinganc 2 years ago
Tae Kwan Do and Tang Soo Do are like Judo and Jujitsu, one is basically a game and the other is the "real" art. Tang Soo Do was developed with one focus in mind, and that was to kill people.
Draco04 2 years ago
please...
this is not karate...this is funny to watch....
this is more like at the dance ,,,no like a real karate,,,these have speed ...but no puposes for some atacks...or defenses...in real case...this is without meaning...
0Zerooverload0 2 years ago
when I studied in 1963 at Kimpo Korea the style presentation basically was the same. Her execution reflects what I see today, a more dance and posing style. her kicks were sloppy without power and her hand positions were anotomically wrong. Katas should be done with power , conrolled speed and correct form. The modern speed ballet has nothing to do with Karate only sesales revenues. Jim --Colombia
Cartagenah 2 years ago
Well, Im impressed with her power but she fails to perform the correct open hand block and her kicks are sloppy for a fifth dan.
jiggahippo 2 years ago
tang soo do....not karate!!!
freedom521975 2 years ago
why scream in that way?!?!
Windkick 2 years ago
the screaming or ki-ap or spirit breath as it transles is done for 4 reasons
1 its tenses and affects the muscles causing you to strike harder
2 also by tensing the muscles with air being expelled it makes kinda like a protective shell
3 it increases adreniline
4 this is the one most people know and unfortunately the only one most black belts remember to teach, that is the ki-ap/scream also startles the opponent/ quickly instills fear surprise / intimidation
random2d3 2 years ago
OMG THANKS!
I'm doing my orange belt test tomorrow :)
AlrightMaytee 2 years ago
Sorry for posting my last comment so many times. It was an accident. :-/
Nuggi7777 3 years ago
Well, I'm not expert, but from what I have learned is that Karate itself is derived from a Chinese martail arts during the Japanese conquest of all the islands in Japan now. And, as time has shown us, martail arts adapt and join with other styles. I may be wrong, but I think it's highly probable that this may be Tang Soo Do, which I have no experience with, mixed with Karate.
24vikings 3 years ago
Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan is the traditional martial art of korea its anceint name is Soo Bahk the most anceint relic of historical referance was almost 2500 maybe 2200 yrs ago. The art it self maye predate korea actually being a contry. Also the symbols used for tang soo do in japanese are read as karate do, in chinese the symbols transale as The way of the hand of Tangm the style predates tang dynasty but was very popular during the tang dynasty hope this helps
random2d3 2 years ago
bullshit.
Windkick 2 years ago
isn't true!!!
Windkick 2 years ago
yup all true, half the tang soo do guys dont even know there own origin now, i'm not saying that particular form 2200 yrs olld. The ancient name of the art was Soo Bahk and yes it does go back that far. Remember though there is no one ultimate martial art it all depends on the master the student the dedication the teaching and other factors. The name tang soo do was given till the mid 1900's. I;ve done a lot of research. In korea the forms are called hyungs
random2d3 2 years ago
my fault typo. The name tang soo do was not given till the mid 1900;s before that names varied the fighting style was politcally supressed and band at points histoy and were practiced in secret. The original name was Soo Bahk. Yes true Karate is Japanese, Tang Soo Do just gets desribed as a type of karate and even adopts the term to describe itself which they really shouldnt,
random2d3 2 years ago
Please, study the TRUE history of Korean Karate and of the five original kwans.
Windkick 2 years ago
I've studied a fair amount of books manusctips and also there are other things going back in history such as tomb paintings and sculptures depecting soo bahk. Now if your talking about Tae Kwon Do that will probably have a different origin all together since it is a different style but also korean.
random2d3 2 years ago
Oh God!!Don't changes history!Ancient things, like tomb paintings of Three Kingdoms era etc etc have nothing to do with tang soo do. Tang Soo Do/Kong Soo Do comes from jaapanese and okinawan karate. That's it.
Ancient korean martial arts have no link with modern korean MA.
And Tae Kwon Do comes form Tang Soo Do/Kong Soo Do.
It's history. Not mith!
Windkick 2 years ago
to be exact I'm specifically refering to Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan ancient name Soo Bahk. At times Soo Bahk was referred to as Soo Bahk Ki and now adays Soo Bahk Do. Have you read any of grand master Hwang Kee's books? Try vol 1 of Soo Bahk Do Tang Soo Do be patient while reading it to get the right message some sections you may have to read several times. The book is usually atleat 100$ and not everyone caries it. Check the local library. Also talk to some grandmasters of Tang Soo Do. :)
random2d3 2 years ago
What Hwang Kee wrote in his books, doesn't mean that it is true!Moo Duk Kwan is one of five original kwan : it comes from Karate (same hyung=kata, pyung ahn/pinan, naihanchi/chulki/tekki, etc) and containes some chuanfa forms, but koranized.
So Changmookwan too.
I know very well korean karate history my friend. Ancient soobakki (now doesn't exist anymore) has no link with moodukkwan, even if now iyou call it subakdo. Subakdo mudukkwan is alway korean karate my friend.
Windkick 2 years ago
I'm sorry to hear you feel that way, you do understand his books specifcally the 1st one does have many historical reference and even tells us where those references are founded and what they are. Soo Bahk Do (the do was added which translate to "the way of" as i'm sure you know) If read the entire book it tells of the links. As I said before ask Tang Soo Do grandmasters, All evidence must be looked be at and considered, If your still disagree thats your opinion based on you evidence same for me
random2d3 2 years ago
You have no idea what you're talking about.
rmondovi 2 years ago
random2d3, you have no idea what you're talking about. TSD and TKD and HKD are all derived from Japanese styles. Whang didn't redo his art until he found the Muye Dobo Tongji and he did this to make his art seem more "Korean". I have read Whang's books, and I have also read Funikoshi's. Look at the patterns of the kata in TKD & TSD. The founder of TKD was a BB in Shotokan. Koreans have changed the true history to cleanse the stains of Japanese occupation on their culture.
rmondovi 2 years ago
you have it correct! 100%.
jiggahippo 2 years ago
you all need to check the flag on the gi. it's korean. so this must be Tang Soo Do
psychofish4444 3 years ago
Yes its the traditional martial art of korea although in korea now adays its offically called its ancient name again Soo Bahk formerly in this point of time Soo Bahk Do.
random2d3 2 years ago
I will say this: the first kata they are performin is clearly Bai Sai Da (excuse my spelling) to Penetrate a Fortress, and the second one is Guan Ku Dai.
There are some differences, but the forms are similar.
24vikings 2 years ago
well they're pretty much the same, apparently hwang kee got most of his forms from reading karate books from a library in the train station he was working with. some people say that it was originally a korean form 500 or 600 years ago, but if that was true then shotokan would have come from them... so... yeah... still an awesome style regardless
dormantninja 2 years ago
still awesome in the sense that a big mac should be just as awesome in china?
well, big macs actually suck in china. It may look like a big mac: Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
but it just does not taste good. it doesn't even have a neutral taste. it is just a complete waste of time eating one.
ThePurdude 2 years ago
Please, good sir, in the Korean arts, it's referred to as a "do-bahk", not a "gi".
4thDan 2 years ago
You can't call this for "Tang Soo Do Karate", since Tang Soo Do is korean and karate is japanese!
Nuggi7777 3 years ago
You can't call this for "Tang Soo Do Karate", since Tang Soo Do is korean and karate is japanese!
Nuggi7777 3 years ago
You can't call this for "Tang Soo Do Karate", since Tang Soo Do is korean and karate is japanese!
Nuggi7777 3 years ago
You can't call this for "Tang Soo Do Karate", since Tang Soo Do is korean and karate is japanese!
Nuggi7777 3 years ago
that kata from '1:40' looked like bassai dai when you've smoked pot lol
25500 4 years ago
Yeah! haha lol
ringofcum 2 years ago
Beautifull... those are really beautifull forms. I didn't know she was already a Master. That's great (I will have to train harder)
capomacarrao 4 years ago
oh my god:-/ she looks like a very angry women with the "tok" to high. I hope she will find her freedom someday...
BaekHoKim 4 years ago
shes not angry shes rly nice....
tbonecurlzzz 4 years ago
yeah maybe but it dont know her, so i cannot judge. I just said that she LOOKS angry:-) Sorry for my bad english;-)
BaekHoKim 4 years ago
OMG, this is so retarded ...
Testudo001 4 years ago
OMG I KNOW HER! SHES SOOOO GOOD!!!! wats her name? i kno shes a master now, ive seen her in pitts!
tbonecurlzzz 4 years ago
Really like the demo I never liked the way C.S. Kim has people lift their leg when stepping forward but otherwise pretty nice. Especillay the woman. As for not using their hips I think that person has too look a little closer and probably needs more training.
atsdsbn 4 years ago
It doesn´t exist karate Tang Soo Do, cause is redundant, TANG SOO DO has the same meaning of karate in Japanese
sipak 4 years ago
Always nice to see Ms. (Master?) Wing performing. Does she still kick as hard as she used to?
jpistella 4 years ago
It is a diff. version of Bassai-Dai, isn't it?
Pistike911 4 years ago
no they are doin a realli out of date way of doin it. i member i was in a comp and a bunch of peps in my category did it like that and i did it the way grand master lee has said 2do it and i blow them out of the water. theres no hip power at all with any of their techniques
jjblinky 4 years ago