what i want to say is china gov sucks!!!!!!!! well i'm a Chinese, i like my country, but i don't like my gov, now i need to break the fucking wall to see the truth, why hiding the truth, thought we don't know??? well YOU ARE WRONG!!!!! we need a revolution!!! and i will escape from china first, then try to fight with the china gov!
what i want to say is china gov sucks!!!!!!!! well i'm a Chinese, i like my country, but i don't like my gov, now i need to break the fucking wall to see the truth, why hiding the truth, thought we don't know??? well YOU ARE WRONG!!!!! we need a revolution!!! and i will escape from china first, then try to fight with the china gov!
china has all kind of evil things, so many death camp, secret police, etc etc,,,,,,,china is most hell place in the world, communist kill their against people without any permission necessary, chinese communist party killed historical amount of people, china is perfectly lawless zone for anythings
all people is not equal under the communism china,most of people is so poor,but major communist has so many privilege,car house food etc etc,,,,,,major communist in china just want to keep those privilege,so that why they killed historical amount of their citizen,its typical characteristic of communism,communist kill their against people without any permission necessary,china is perfectly lawless zone,chinese communist party killed historical amount of people for keep major communist`s privilege
@Chinastar85 I've got a great library system here (takes a huge chunk of my tax dollars though), I will look up Wang Lixiong's book the next time I go. Thanks for the tip.
@Chinastar85 And they did it again with the Tibet protests in 2008. The media published photos of Nepal police beating the crap out of protestors in the street and called them Chinese military! That's shameless deception and bank handedness and have forever changed my opinion of western media.
Why doesn't the west complain about human rights in Nepal? Those cops seemed brutal...
@Chinastar85 Do not trust any "Hong Konger" who talks sh!t about China; vast vast majority are sneaky 倭黑鬼 or vietcongs pretending to be from Hong Kong to try to divide China. Same case for Taiwan except it's mainly 倭黑鬼 and less vietcong.
When 倭黑鬼 say free Tibet or some thing just reply: "Free Ryukyu!!! Free the Emishi!!! Free Northern Ainu, 倭黑鬼 go to Kyushu!!! Overthrow the cartoon masturbation nation!!!" :D
@Chinastar85 Do not trust any "Hong Konger" who talks sh!t about China; vast vast majority are sneaky 倭黑鬼 or vietcongs pretending to be from Hong Kong to try to divide China. Same case for Taiwan except it's mainly 倭黑鬼 and less vietcong.
When 倭黑鬼 say free Tibet or some thing just reply: "Free Ryukyu!!! Free the Emishi!!! Free Northern Ainu, 倭黑鬼 go to Kyushu!!! Overthrow the cartoon masturbation nation!!!" :D
most chinks guy youtube is chinese secret police. they writting communist dictator`s propaganda over and over again. its their job, and also they hired so many to making propaganda too. you can search it in google (50 cent army), it so funny hahahaha
How China's '50 Cent Army' Could Wreck (Search Google =====> 50 Cent Army)
The CCP has hired thousands of freelance Internet propagandists whose job is to infiltrate chat rooms, message boards and comment areas-----(50 Cent Army)
You know that the western media totally took this story and made it into whatever they wanted, I would take a grain (a kilotonne) of salt with anything the western media says. I've seen the media lie through their teeth about much lesser stuff about China.
Hopefully more westerners are waking up to this fact.
The tank operating man inside the tank should deserve nobel peace prize because he chose not to kill a suspect facing him who might be a human bomb holding in his hands two suspected bombs or explosives . He saved this man who was naive enough to challenge a tank. If he is in Iraq or Algh or vietnam or any place facing army sent from the west, he is surely a dead man no doubt. All west trained soldiers would never tolerate any suspect acted as human bombs jeopardizing thier live.
@TheMediator888 Well I don't agree. The student stood before the tank knowing the tank might just run over him. He was standing there for the world to see what happened there. Yes the soldier would have shot him dead but the student knew what he was getting into and still did. That guy had balls of brass.
the truth is the student at the time vowed to topple the commuist government , according to statistic ,
3 thousand of millitary vechicles were been burnt , at least thousands of soldiers were being killed .The truth also say that the army did resort to force to end the deadly chaos , and the truth is the media around the world had change the whole story completely , because china is a commuist and the world is ignorant.
Be warned, party members. The spirits of the countless people who have died because of your misdeeds will seek you out for vengeance in the middle of the night!
To most of you that anger to the Chinese government. Do one of you ever heard of Kent State Killings in 1970 in the United State. In US, there is not too many people remembered what was happened. It's an incident like Tiananmen Square happened in 1989. But why all Americans forgot what was happened. Because we love our country. If you're Chinese and you should love China then let it go. If you want to learn more about "Kent State Killings". Search for Kent State Killings 1970".
@warma4 you are comparing 4 students killed with 2600??? it's like comparing WW2 to the gulf war. In America there was an investigation on the killings and the guards were sent to court to be judged. What happen to these Chinese soldiers? probably they got medals. the woman is right, it's an insecure country that tries to lie to itself like you are doing now. Harmonious society... like we say the blindest person is the one who doesn't want to see.
@warma4 Valid point but the pure scale of the Tiananman Square Protest and the Kent State Killings is really quite different. Also the Chinese goverments offical report on the incident is that and I quote "No students died in Tiananman Square". By the way I recently found out that they don't even mention the Tiananman Square incident in Chinese textbooks anymore.
"Somebody threw a molotov cocktail at the tank and it burned up with a guy inside and the crowd all cheered and thought that was pretty cool."
...she and others witnessed somebody being burned to death and all she could do was comment casually on that and say that everybody thought that it was "cool"?
History shows that all Chinese dynasties ended up with natural disasters and peasants' revolts. Brutal, expansonist communist regime in China with its terrible human rights violation records for supporting genocidal Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, and other oppressive regimes in Sudan, North Korea, Vietnam, and Myanmar, along with murdering Tibetians, Uyghurs, and even its own people (millions in cultural revolution in 1960s and thousands in Tiananmen square massacre in 1989) is not an exception!!!
Since some die-hard communist fans like you hate the US and the western world so much, I think North Korea will suit you quite well. They might pay you to speak for them online. lol
What is "die-hard communist fans"? If you can't define it, then please don't use it. I never said I was a fan of anybody. You put words in my mouth. Well, however NK is developing is a different but related issue at hand. If you want to talk about June 4th, we should get back on the topic. Making fun of my English won't get you anywhere in the conversation. Language changes over time. If you go with strict dictionary definition, i don't think "die-hard" allows you express your views.
Stupid fools they are, I suppose they were young and ignorant. I wonder if they had thought about how the rest of the chinese people had thought. Do they approve this to happen ? I bet over 80% would put their thums up to the goverment and say you did a great Job!! this is China people like their peace as much as anyone else in the world liked theirs. We don't want afew number of students disturb our Peace.
Tiananmen was an armed clash between two factions of CPC. The West was and is still behind one faction. We Chinese people do not endorse or against either side. We Chinese people are not part of it. The students are used as fools. We Chinese do not find the students inspiring.
Dude, watch your mouth. I m also Chinese, but people like YOU do not represent me!! I support the students. How long have you lived in the US? Can you not see the differences between these two nations? Here is the US. people can AT LEAST criticize their own govt, would they let you do that in CHINA?
If the West represents truth, why do they fucking delete Chinese comments on here. Isn't it funny that the West forbid Chinese from speaking about this? Only a White Christian woman is allowed to fucking insult the Chinese here.
and most of all a lot of westerners are in chinas urban areas u wouldnt know how many are here unless u come and see. i have a question though, if u dislike chinas govt and way of life, why are u setting uup to study here and also have residential status?
we wont change for u im afraid because most chinese are proud of out longest and superior culture and civilisation. it is u who have issues about others because u are insecure. but luckily those living in china are pretty law abiding and pro
You are ridiculous. Its like saying all blacks are inferiors. I am sure there are bourgeois who like democratic liberal reforms and people who disagree and will not tolerate bourgeois racist fascist arrogant liberal ignorant like you!
im a proud chinese and i condemn the west for interfering in chinese affairs. the more u interfere when ur not needed the more we are going to resist. what the govt did and is doing now just shows that democracy fails nations, like india and many parts of third world and when china gets strong it will influence its socialst ideology on the west. u cant do anything about this im afraid. majority of chinese have full confidence and i advise stop having inferiority complex to china and mid ur own
in fact im a chinese australian and 99% of chinese dont care about the government. however my opinion still stands that if the west continue to nag something that most chinese dont care about or something that actually do fail nations like i mentioned before most are going to support the govt because in fact its moving faster than ur own western civilisation. this is common sense and just an opinion of many.
I am Chinese. and I am proud of my culture. Don't mix what the communist government is doing with my culture. they won't be in power forever. You have not seen the truth. Go back and read more on Chinese history and know what REAL CHINESE want before you come here and rant your brainwashed trash. Get a mind of your own instead of regurgitate what the current communist government is telling you. Your ancestor is ashamed right now!
Who is the "REAL CHINESE" ? Democracy is a capitalist tool to deceive the working people. Look at US imperialism and British Imperialism, both called for liberalization of market during their brutal regimes. Their people suffer more than any body else under the so called corrupted Chinese communist party.
"Their people suffer more than any body else under the so called corrupted Chinese communist party" Really? Are you sure about that? Then why the hell arent you moving back to China? I was in Tsinghua U, Beijing for the past six months. Students arent even allowed to get on youtube or wiki for some controversial topics against China, and many of them cannt wait to get the hell out of China.
"moving back to China" based on how "good" the Chinese Party is only a partial answer. Migration has a historical character and is specific in time and space. "Students arent even allowed to get on youtube or wiki for some controversial topics against China," - Don't forget that the imperialists have been (and successfully) trying to level out their crimes as well (i.e. bail outs, deregulation, exploitation, and etc). FBI and CIA activities are just not known to the people, as simple as that.
At least people are allowed to talk about " their crimes" and even publish books. Are you getting in trouble from posting all those anti US messages on youtube? No, cause we have freedom of speech in the US. If you do the same thing towards to the Chinese govt, you are already in prison and will be soon lined up and shot!
"anti US messages on youtube" - No, I love the country as much as any other territories on earth. I do not know what messages you are referring to. "have freedom of speech in the US" - You have freedom of speech, but you are free to be exploited as well. I have explained what democracy and liberalization means in my previous comments here. If you count my critique as anti-US messages, you may want to deal with my comments first before attacking me personally
"Democracy is a capitalist tool to deceive the working people. Look at US imperialism and British Imperialism, both called for liberalization of market during their brutal regimes. Their people suffer more than any body else under the so called corrupted Chinese communist party." Really? I guess you really "love the country as much as any other territories on earth."
I talk about US imperialism, British imperialism, and territories as different parts of my argument. You are putting them together as if these three things happen all together and make generalized assumptions. I see territories as a concept that do not assume national border. When I said "the country," I referred to something that had border.
To put them together, I am saying that territories are divided by national boundaries (hence your point "anti-US). U.S. the term itself assumes a border. This border is historically specific. U.S. border was very differently in 18th century than now. When you said anti-US, therefore you assume a ahistorical boundary. Taken the historical specificity into consider, what you just wrote does not defend what you wrote earlier, "freedom of speech in the US."
The Chinese reform and the U.S. reform period went hand in hand. U.S. needed the labor power in lower services sectors. China mass produced but needed consumers. They went hand in hand. The so called China's corrupted officials in the 70s forward are product of the reform. This triggered the June 4th movement, but it did not address why corruption took place to begin with. If the reform was to be criticized, the student would not call for more freedom but equal rights for all workers.
The U.S. 60s forward saw deregulation and liberalization of the market. The U.S. state did help to create a deregulated state creating a condition for investment and productive capitals. This corresponded with the second migrations from Asia, particularly the Chinese. 90s saw more Chinese in the U.S. Mexicans came in as well. What happen to these migrant workers? The boss use them and pit them against each other. This drove wage wages, and some workers were not paid at all.
Am I still anti-U.S.? No. I am simply criticizing the economic and political structure IN the U.S. I am not saying they can't be changed. In fact, they can be changed. I am not Anti-China as well. These structures can be changed. That is why you see student movements like the June 4th. What I have issues with the June 4th is that, the students simply did not represent anybody else BUT THEMSELVES!
If you think there were some bad things in the American history, I can agree with you. But comparing to what the Communist govt did to the Chinese since 1949, I mean from the Land reform, Zhen Fan campaign, three-anti/five-anti campaigns, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution....and all that, millions of innocent Chinese citizens were killed. People are allowed to talk about it, history books in school dont mention any of them.
I am not denying the devastating negative impacts of the failed movements. I am saying that there should be a comparison. If you look at the conditions of the migrant workers in the U.S. (post reform), they were not any better than the mainland workers. Concepts like freedom, democracy, and human rights U.S. embraces could not even stand on its own feet. Exploitations were everywhere, and workers were being pit against each other to drive down wages. Employers ran away with workers' money.
You fucking Americans, you really should shut the fuck up and start minding your own fucking business. You have far more military crushdowns than China. Your fucking government stinks, it's hated all around the world. To hell with American fucking democracy. Phony, hypocrite
Not sure what you mean by hate. If you define hate as something a person attacks or names others by racial and sexual terms, you may see that is being done by post-reform bourgeois in China. Some migrant workers ain't even human. I have heard HK Chinese calling mainland or south asians with racialized and sexualized terms. Working people are being pit against by such terms. I am not sure what appreciation you are speaking of.
The govt have not given a single apology to their own people. You think "people suffer more than any body else under the so called corrupted Chinese communist party." You got to be kidding me! And now, we can people in this country can learn from the past. In China, the young ones didnt even know what the hell happened.
In U.S., a so called free country, people don't even realize they are racists and are being exploited. Schools train you to take advantage of others, teach you to deceive your potential customers, teach you how to lie to your workers, teach you where to get cheap labor power, and divide the social body into the so called educated and the non-educated. I don't think China was and is anything lesser than the U.S. The iron rice bowl was only for some people, but that was still an accomplishment
I like that the iron rice bowl,lol. My parent used to have that. lol I hope that one day the Chinese citizens will be allowed for more freedom. And the Chinese govt will recognize the history.
I'm in the US right now and I was educated in the US and I had not experience such education here. SCMP is a Hong Kong newspaper company. They probably had this American commenting on this incident because she spoke good English. She's probably an expat living in Hong Kong working for them. All these anti-American sentiment of yours are uncalled for. There are tons of people in the Hong Kong who are critical of the event.
Quote me one sentence that I wrote referring to your so called "anti-American sentiment"?
-I draw on the US to give a historical comparison. Some of the comments here and elsewhere on June4th were made as if the June4th event took place in isolation. I draw on China's reform as well. Am I anti-Chinese now?
"tons of people in the Hong Kong who are critical " - Yes, but why the SCMP only shows the democrats? why not show the views of the unions and other workers' centers? This alone is one viewed
You sorry asses Americans: Rmember what the Chicago police did at the 1968 Democratic convention. You sent in 12,000 fucking police and over 5,000 National Guard to beat the hell out of anti Vietnam War protestors. and what about Kent State Unviersity, why did the National Guard fucking kill anti war students?? Why don't you fucking Americans celebrate that??
Yes, the USA did all of the above. The difference lies in the Americans know about those, and the government let the facts be know, but the Chinese don't. By the way, I am Chinese.You probably never experienced an openly repressive regime, and now only been brain washed and happy about the economic gains. One should never be swayed by economic gains along. Definitely not over people's lives. Those who died on June 4th, are your brothers and sisters, too.
it doesnt matter if u are chinese or not. im chinese as well and i am not affected by democracy as much as u. im not american. i know both worlds western and china hypocrisy errors and bad areas. just saying majoirty of chinese dont have to think like the minority and most young people dont care unless provoked like me. u never see chinese interfere in ur usa massacres thoughout history towards minorities and even ur own.
Some people just don't see the June 4th within a particular historical context. June4th is a liberal product and the students were used by the HK bourgeois to tap into China Mainland sources. Further opening borders will make working people's conditions worse.
Who tells you that this is not a political show staged by the racist West? The West supports one side. The two sides had a gun fight. We Chinese people are not part of it. We Chinese do not support or against either one side.
This is more civilized compared to, say, Iraq. The video selectively missed too many details.The Christian West must learn to look at this with rationality.
The Chinese speaker has naïve faith on the West. He is used.
The Chinese Government is decisive to stop this so-called "democracy". How could a country progress if every now and then there are civil unrest, riot etc? Generally, the Chinese Government had done well. It is a pity that those people who followed the strike blindly or merely know the concept of demoracry not knowing the element, die in the crackdown.
Well normally it wouldn't come to riots and that sort of thing, if the government treated its people well. But obviously it isn't in China. So people react in a way that they regard adequate to their despair and situation. Besides the Chinese Government might be doing a lot of good for China's economy but economic growth is not a guarantee for good living conditions. Most of China's population doesn't profit from the economic boom so I understand their frustration very well.
i disagree with you on the point of the use of violence in suppressing the riot. there would have been different ways in dealing with the students. there were people following the bourgeois student blindly. democracy does not necessary get rid of corruptions. corruption itself came out from the reform, which was a LIBERAL REFORM (deregulation, loosening of the central goven etc). Liberal reform in itself would have led to a "democratic" turn, which is a call to reinforce the market economy
This image stuck out most in people's mind. Emotional people think this guy was brave to use his own body to stop 3 tanks. Rational people think if there was a massacre going on, why not just shoot this guy down with the tanks' machine gun? Other tanks that were running down people were built with stealth technology?
I totally agree with you. I have this epic picture sticking in my mind and heart. I was in Beijing for the first time 9 years ago and tianamen square was the place that impressed me most.
Imagine yourself stand in front of those tanks! I have that epic picture sticking in my room just to remember that day 20 years ago! RIP for those students who fought for democracy. Althoug the human rights in China still not improved but the lifes of chinese people is getting better and the country is prosperous than before! Thanks for the memory!
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what i want to say is china gov sucks!!!!!!!! well i'm a Chinese, i like my country, but i don't like my gov, now i need to break the fucking wall to see the truth, why hiding the truth, thought we don't know??? well YOU ARE WRONG!!!!! we need a revolution!!! and i will escape from china first, then try to fight with the china gov!
ssssssssssurvey 5 months ago
what i want to say is china gov sucks!!!!!!!! well i'm a Chinese, i like my country, but i don't like my gov, now i need to break the fucking wall to see the truth, why hiding the truth, thought we don't know??? well YOU ARE WRONG!!!!! we need a revolution!!! and i will escape from china first, then try to fight with the china gov!
ssssssssssurvey 5 months ago
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china has all kind of evil things, so many death camp, secret police, etc etc,,,,,,,china is most hell place in the world, communist kill their against people without any permission necessary, chinese communist party killed historical amount of people, china is perfectly lawless zone for anythings
77777XYZ 6 months ago
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all people is not equal under the communism china,most of people is so poor,but major communist has so many privilege,car house food etc etc,,,,,,major communist in china just want to keep those privilege,so that why they killed historical amount of their citizen,its typical characteristic of communism,communist kill their against people without any permission necessary,china is perfectly lawless zone,chinese communist party killed historical amount of people for keep major communist`s privilege
77777XYZ 6 months ago
four people are commies
audioliquor 7 months ago
@Chinastar85 I've got a great library system here (takes a huge chunk of my tax dollars though), I will look up Wang Lixiong's book the next time I go. Thanks for the tip.
CanadianTuBaoZi 10 months ago 2
@Chinastar85 And they did it again with the Tibet protests in 2008. The media published photos of Nepal police beating the crap out of protestors in the street and called them Chinese military! That's shameless deception and bank handedness and have forever changed my opinion of western media.
Why doesn't the west complain about human rights in Nepal? Those cops seemed brutal...
CanadianTuBaoZi 10 months ago 3
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@Chinastar85 Do not trust any "Hong Konger" who talks sh!t about China; vast vast majority are sneaky 倭黑鬼 or vietcongs pretending to be from Hong Kong to try to divide China. Same case for Taiwan except it's mainly 倭黑鬼 and less vietcong.
When 倭黑鬼 say free Tibet or some thing just reply: "Free Ryukyu!!! Free the Emishi!!! Free Northern Ainu, 倭黑鬼 go to Kyushu!!! Overthrow the cartoon masturbation nation!!!" :D
Seres1091 10 months ago
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@Chinastar85 Do not trust any "Hong Konger" who talks sh!t about China; vast vast majority are sneaky 倭黑鬼 or vietcongs pretending to be from Hong Kong to try to divide China. Same case for Taiwan except it's mainly 倭黑鬼 and less vietcong.
When 倭黑鬼 say free Tibet or some thing just reply: "Free Ryukyu!!! Free the Emishi!!! Free Northern Ainu, 倭黑鬼 go to Kyushu!!! Overthrow the cartoon masturbation nation!!!" :D
Seres1091 10 months ago
@Chinastar85 Lol, brother, ignore the 倭黑鬼; China will soon punish the 倭黑鬼 for their crimes and send 黑鬼岛 to the bottom of the sea. Haha
Seres1091 10 months ago
most chinks guy youtube is chinese secret police. they writting communist dictator`s propaganda over and over again. its their job, and also they hired so many to making propaganda too. you can search it in google (50 cent army), it so funny hahahaha
How China's '50 Cent Army' Could Wreck (Search Google =====> 50 Cent Army)
The CCP has hired thousands of freelance Internet propagandists whose job is to infiltrate chat rooms, message boards and comment areas-----(50 Cent Army)
77777XYZ 11 months ago
everything is made by USA!!
Imewuu 11 months ago
共匪去死!
xumengyang1 1 year ago
execelent
comanche159 1 year ago
You know that the western media totally took this story and made it into whatever they wanted, I would take a grain (a kilotonne) of salt with anything the western media says. I've seen the media lie through their teeth about much lesser stuff about China.
Hopefully more westerners are waking up to this fact.
CanadianTuBaoZi 1 year ago 3
@CanadianTuBaoZi SCMP is owned by a pro Beijing HK guy...
rushius 3 weeks ago
The tank operating man inside the tank should deserve nobel peace prize because he chose not to kill a suspect facing him who might be a human bomb holding in his hands two suspected bombs or explosives . He saved this man who was naive enough to challenge a tank. If he is in Iraq or Algh or vietnam or any place facing army sent from the west, he is surely a dead man no doubt. All west trained soldiers would never tolerate any suspect acted as human bombs jeopardizing thier live.
TheMediator888 1 year ago 2
@TheMediator888 Well I don't agree. The student stood before the tank knowing the tank might just run over him. He was standing there for the world to see what happened there. Yes the soldier would have shot him dead but the student knew what he was getting into and still did. That guy had balls of brass.
csrajuse 1 year ago
饶了我一个在中国共产党的力量,中国人民是非常愚蠢的,我就开始我们来说,作为奴隶,为我的士兵的孩子。当有一点智慧对我们的苹果,苹果我们它杀死所有的氏族。孩子在中国是很愚蠢的,我解决我们所有的历史书,塞进自己的头上,它认为谎言当我希望我们能够夺得金牌和银牌分别口袋,侵略其他国家,一些中国士兵为我们陶,陶奴隶给我们的孩子。他们死在军队,而黄金和白银苹果的口袋袋。中国有很多别墅,而不是中国人民,这对我来说,我们是谁掌权的。中国的一些孩子太笨驴..请醒了,一些有点沉闷。共产主义在中国著名的谋杀完成捏造的证据,或“想杀死谁给它一个犯罪,这是一个共产主义意识形态的形式是完整的诽谤和杀死人。
xcxzcza 1 year ago
haunting....the tank man was never heard of again
dogface3731 1 year ago
the truth is the student at the time vowed to topple the commuist government , according to statistic ,
3 thousand of millitary vechicles were been burnt , at least thousands of soldiers were being killed .The truth also say that the army did resort to force to end the deadly chaos , and the truth is the media around the world had change the whole story completely , because china is a commuist and the world is ignorant.
hELLOjackli 1 year ago
WAKE UP !!!EVERY CHINESE!!!YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE TRUTH !!RIGHT NOW!!
redmum57 1 year ago
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sarusimakurodaisi 1 year ago
Be warned, party members. The spirits of the countless people who have died because of your misdeeds will seek you out for vengeance in the middle of the night!
S1587915G 1 year ago
中共的党员们小心啦!那些无数被你们残害的人民百姓的冤魂,会在深夜来到你们的家门口索命的!
S1587915G 1 year ago
I hope free China.
Free Tibet.
Free Uyghur.
Free North Korea.
No more massacre. No more war.
nusuttotakedakesii 1 year ago
free china from corruption
Serkant75 1 year ago
看这类视频我都觉得无聊,这么多年了就会用六四来说共产党,都过了21年了,呵呵,有点新意好不好?不会逮不着人家尾巴了,100年后还一直用六四反中国吧?
dgt0099 1 year ago
@dgt0099
50年前殺了人
50年後你還是殺了人
真相不會因時間而消逝
gamma9527 1 year ago
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ec97531 1 year ago
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平反六四, 就是要公審香港支聯會, 公審柴玲, 公審吾爾開希, 公審王丹和公審那些民運豬雄. 這班人根本就是禍國殃民的垃圾.
ec97531 1 year ago
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fxj19880822 1 year ago
To most of you that anger to the Chinese government. Do one of you ever heard of Kent State Killings in 1970 in the United State. In US, there is not too many people remembered what was happened. It's an incident like Tiananmen Square happened in 1989. But why all Americans forgot what was happened. Because we love our country. If you're Chinese and you should love China then let it go. If you want to learn more about "Kent State Killings". Search for Kent State Killings 1970".
warma4 1 year ago
@warma4 you are comparing 4 students killed with 2600??? it's like comparing WW2 to the gulf war. In America there was an investigation on the killings and the guards were sent to court to be judged. What happen to these Chinese soldiers? probably they got medals. the woman is right, it's an insecure country that tries to lie to itself like you are doing now. Harmonious society... like we say the blindest person is the one who doesn't want to see.
close your eyes to sleep and keep pretending
pauloleeds 1 year ago
@warma4 Valid point but the pure scale of the Tiananman Square Protest and the Kent State Killings is really quite different. Also the Chinese goverments offical report on the incident is that and I quote "No students died in Tiananman Square". By the way I recently found out that they don't even mention the Tiananman Square incident in Chinese textbooks anymore.
chaostomb 1 year ago
好 很好
longxiang1949 1 year ago
Did anyone notice this?
"Somebody threw a molotov cocktail at the tank and it burned up with a guy inside and the crowd all cheered and thought that was pretty cool."
...she and others witnessed somebody being burned to death and all she could do was comment casually on that and say that everybody thought that it was "cool"?
madhoyden 1 year ago
搞独立 搞分裂 就该这下场
nothingeeg 1 year ago
@nothingeeg 你豬圈瘋漢宰小綿羊恐怕也是因為搞獨立搞分裂.....還講得挺順口的
biklikbala 1 year ago
Hope I could be back for the candlelight vigil this year!
madhoyden 1 year ago
5毛党全家掉户口本
外送春哥爆你全家菊花
yujian9527 1 year ago
你們有看過印尼華人的遭遇嗎?
kingwei8888 1 year ago
扯谈,
heisome 2 years ago
SCMP, one of the best newspapers of Hong Kong!
Siukonginhongkong 2 years ago
還是俄羅斯人聰明,知道共產主義是不好的東西
crakcer123 2 years ago
法西斯.无论怎么美化和狡辩.都是无用的.洗涮不了法西斯暴行.诬陷学生为暴徒.真无耻
yunsuiwuyue 2 years ago
草,政府如今封锁网络.打压言论.屏蔽真相..
真他妈无耻.还雇佣大量网络评论员为政府美化和开脱.甚至歪曲真相.
yunsuiwuyue 2 years ago 11
@yunsuiwuyue 你觉得我是吗???晕
Mr0818sv 1 year ago
@yunsuiwuyue dou you know what is truth?
tianbianzhifneg 10 months ago
I come from China. The Government has been deceiving the people. Embargo freedom of speech, blocking the network. Mask the truth.
Corruption
yunsuiwuyue 2 years ago 4
孝顺和尊重是需要通过自己赢得而来
不能是当晚辈的附属品
何况政府更不是晚辈
政府应该是一个公共代表机构来提供公共服务的角色
我们作为中国人
应该为共产党对六四的处理感到耻辱
应该对我们民族的历史和文化进程进行反思
alkahalics 2 years ago 2
当你的娃娃,不听你的话的时候你会怎样?
当你的儿子不孝顺的时候你会怎样?
很好理解.作为一个知识分子,一点分辨是非的能力都没有.要你干嘛?!!
坚决拥护!!!~~~
看过浪潮没?去看看那个电影吧....瓜娃子们!~
我也是大学生.如果现在谁让我这么做,我会考虑好再做,但是我相信,我95%以上不会去做!!~~
lntianda 2 years ago
這就是中國一直沒辦法民主的原因之一
各各都明哲保身
毫無抵抗力
怕站出來又會招來不測
中國人民永遠只能成為紅色恐怖下的奴隸
t8989889ole 2 years ago
什么是红色恐怖?扯淡!!!!
lntianda 2 years ago
南岛小矮人出来做小丑了,你妈喊你回家吃饭!
HelenZimmer 2 years ago
你叫共產黨民主=叫他死
24716929 2 years ago 2
你现在就可以死了
HelenZimmer 2 years ago
是 可以说社会主义好 从小共产党就教育咱们日本隐瞒历史,可事实,对于64,中共呢? 只不过是贼喊捉贼罢了。但是中共永远比某个岛上的那群自称代表国民的狗日的国民党好 这不可否认 ↖(^ω^)↗
MrOasis01 2 years ago
Never never forget !!!
Lorys0107 2 years ago
History shows that all Chinese dynasties ended up with natural disasters and peasants' revolts. Brutal, expansonist communist regime in China with its terrible human rights violation records for supporting genocidal Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, and other oppressive regimes in Sudan, North Korea, Vietnam, and Myanmar, along with murdering Tibetians, Uyghurs, and even its own people (millions in cultural revolution in 1960s and thousands in Tiananmen square massacre in 1989) is not an exception!!!
TOMP66666 2 years ago
共匪滚出中国大陆!!!
SUMMARISM 2 years ago
敢問一句,如果你們在中國掌權,你怎麼做才能確保在這個擁有13億人的大國裏每個人都享有高度民主的同時每個人都豐衣足食而且整個國家都統一和平穩定國泰民安?
我只能說,中國是有史以來最偉大的國家,中國一直以來都是不斷地實踐,獨立地改革,毫不畏懼地摸黑前進,希望找到一條真真正正屬於自己的道路,那些享受資本主義帶來的記得利益者沒有資格說三道四。
jessele3e 2 years ago
jessele3e: 你真的很傻很天真!如果可以简单的在YouTube回复你的话,那真的很简单了!猪!
brokensocialism 2 years ago
brokensocialism:如果對這個問題你能回答的話 我只能對你說句 不知天高地厚
jessele3e 2 years ago
jessele3e! 你真白痴!事在人为呀!只要共狗向世界宣佈向中华民国投降!我管给你看!省得你这个没用的东西在这里怕!别跟我说你是中国人!没面!中国人是天不怕!地不怕!
brokensocialism 2 years ago
这段话说得很冷静很理智,说出了我想说的话。六四资料我看过一些,总的感觉是单纯的学生一开始是极其爱国的行为,可是后来造成了混乱是不理智的(正如你所说),我想这个一方面是因为运动的队伍没有一个统一的、理智的、从大局出发的指挥有关;另一方面,政府也没有及时发挥有效的处理平息事端的作用,同时要深刻自省的是长期的社会矛盾和弊端拙言。
wayneshi7 2 years ago
編編現在這中國是世界龍頭,中國帶動全球經濟起飛。吹吹漲!!!
lobogojo 2 years ago 2
你别胡扯了。。。。。你救不了中共的!共产主义已经灭亡!西方的共产主义和社会主义是不适合中国的!
brokensocialism 2 years ago
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奴隶制(共产主义),奴隶主(共产党)拥有奴隶(人民)的制度。奴隶(人民)须为奴隶主(共产党)干活,无报酬,且无人身自由。法律确认奴隶为奴隶主的私有财产,共产主义跟奴隶制也一样,国家所有财产归共产党。人民跟本不可能享受自己生产所得的回报。奴隶主(共产党)对奴隶(人民)握有生杀予夺的权力,可随意奴役、杀害。奴隶(人民)没有独立的人格,没有任何自由和权利。
brokensocialism 2 years ago
共产主义及社会主义是注定失败!现在全世界只有五个名字叫共产主义国家的国家.有多少个正在搞资本主义呢?大家心照明白!在共产国家的人民.个个做牛做马.共产党的幹部就大鱼大肉.当年毛泽东的肚子那麽大.中国人民个个都骨瘦如柴. 大家心里就明白了.西方的共产主义和社会主义是不适合中国的!中国共产党应该取消共党专政! 中国才有希望! 人权! 民主! 自由! 平等!
brokensocialism 2 years ago
1689年《权利法案》颁布之前全世界没有一个资本主义国家,按你这么说资本主义国家也不应该存在咯?社会制度的先进与否不是看有多少个国家实行这种制度,而是要用100年,甚至1000年的时间来观察
mh1044892 2 years ago
禽兽马克思曾经说资本主义最终会变成社会主义和共产主义!但很奇怪!世界好像倒转了!社会主义和共产主义变成了资本主义!禽兽马克思真的很失败!
brokensocialism 2 years ago
bullshit
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
很傻很天真,一個國家的政權都沒了,還談什麽民主自由平等?告訴你吧,一旦中國共產黨倒了,中國必然四分五裂,因為沒有一個國家希望看到一個如此龐大的而且民主的自由的平等的大國產生。
jessele3e 2 years ago
to jessele3e: 你别胡扯了。。。。。你救不了中共的!共产主义已经灭亡!西方的共产主义和社会主义是不适合中国的!
brokensocialism 2 years ago
所以才要改革 才要不斷摸索啊 難道你認為照搬西方那一套就一切ok? 什麽事情都要一步一步來 如果什麽都想一步登天的話 只能一下子摔死 從此永世不見天日
jessele3e 2 years ago
西方的共产主义和社会主义是不适合中国的!
brokensocialism 2 years ago
没有共产党!中国会更好!
brokensocialism 2 years ago 2
哎 大部分人只不是 一泄私愤而已。把共产党推翻了。也不知道下一步怎么办.中国的问题只能靠共产党自己在人民的压力下自己改进。如果是又开始折腾,我们已经折腾了100年了。大家还嫌不够啊 死几千万人
goldx3000 2 years ago
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奴隶制(共产主义),奴隶主(共产党)拥有奴隶(人民)的制度。奴隶(人民)须为奴隶主(共产党)干活,无报酬,且无人身自由。法律确认奴隶为奴隶主的私有财产,共产主义跟奴隶制也一样,国家所有财产归共产党。人民跟本不可能享受自己生产所得的回报。奴隶主(共产党)对奴隶(人民)握有生杀予夺的权力,可随意奴役、杀害。奴隶(人民)没有独立的人格,没有任何自由和权利。
antisocialism 2 years ago
Since some die-hard communist fans like you hate the US and the western world so much, I think North Korea will suit you quite well. They might pay you to speak for them online. lol
accord03 2 years ago
What is "die-hard communist fans"? If you can't define it, then please don't use it. I never said I was a fan of anybody. You put words in my mouth. Well, however NK is developing is a different but related issue at hand. If you want to talk about June 4th, we should get back on the topic. Making fun of my English won't get you anywhere in the conversation. Language changes over time. If you go with strict dictionary definition, i don't think "die-hard" allows you express your views.
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
Stupid fools they are, I suppose they were young and ignorant. I wonder if they had thought about how the rest of the chinese people had thought. Do they approve this to happen ? I bet over 80% would put their thums up to the goverment and say you did a great Job!! this is China people like their peace as much as anyone else in the world liked theirs. We don't want afew number of students disturb our Peace.
youngshang 2 years ago
Tiananmen was an armed clash between two factions of CPC. The West was and is still behind one faction. We Chinese people do not endorse or against either side. We Chinese people are not part of it. The students are used as fools. We Chinese do not find the students inspiring.
gluvuv 2 years ago 2
Dude, watch your mouth. I m also Chinese, but people like YOU do not represent me!! I support the students. How long have you lived in the US? Can you not see the differences between these two nations? Here is the US. people can AT LEAST criticize their own govt, would they let you do that in CHINA?
accord03 2 years ago
There are always bourgeois Chinese. Perhaps you are one of them
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
"Tiananmen was an armed clash between two factions of CPC"
How do you know that?
m3141592 2 years ago
Skrewl the ignorant and racist Christian Whites.
gluvuv 2 years ago
If the West represents truth, why do they fucking delete Chinese comments on here. Isn't it funny that the West forbid Chinese from speaking about this? Only a White Christian woman is allowed to fucking insult the Chinese here.
gluvuv 2 years ago
really? they never delete mine lol
accord03 2 years ago
"why do they fucking delete Chinese comments on here."
They don't.
Perhaps they delete abusive retards' comments. That would explain why yours disappear.
m3141592 2 years ago
and most of all a lot of westerners are in chinas urban areas u wouldnt know how many are here unless u come and see. i have a question though, if u dislike chinas govt and way of life, why are u setting uup to study here and also have residential status?
we wont change for u im afraid because most chinese are proud of out longest and superior culture and civilisation. it is u who have issues about others because u are insecure. but luckily those living in china are pretty law abiding and pro
babesterdudester 2 years ago
Lol no Chinese is proud of there government. If they are they are brainwashed.
DMWestWoodElite 2 years ago
You are ridiculous. Its like saying all blacks are inferiors. I am sure there are bourgeois who like democratic liberal reforms and people who disagree and will not tolerate bourgeois racist fascist arrogant liberal ignorant like you!
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
racist, fascist, arrogant, liberal, and ignorant? Is that even possible?
DMWestWoodElite 2 years ago
im a proud chinese and i condemn the west for interfering in chinese affairs. the more u interfere when ur not needed the more we are going to resist. what the govt did and is doing now just shows that democracy fails nations, like india and many parts of third world and when china gets strong it will influence its socialst ideology on the west. u cant do anything about this im afraid. majority of chinese have full confidence and i advise stop having inferiority complex to china and mid ur own
babesterdudester 2 years ago
Who paid you to say that you commie fuck
needfullt6 2 years ago
in fact im a chinese australian and 99% of chinese dont care about the government. however my opinion still stands that if the west continue to nag something that most chinese dont care about or something that actually do fail nations like i mentioned before most are going to support the govt because in fact its moving faster than ur own western civilisation. this is common sense and just an opinion of many.
babesterdudester 2 years ago
I am Chinese. and I am proud of my culture. Don't mix what the communist government is doing with my culture. they won't be in power forever. You have not seen the truth. Go back and read more on Chinese history and know what REAL CHINESE want before you come here and rant your brainwashed trash. Get a mind of your own instead of regurgitate what the current communist government is telling you. Your ancestor is ashamed right now!
maybudha 2 years ago
Who is the "REAL CHINESE" ? Democracy is a capitalist tool to deceive the working people. Look at US imperialism and British Imperialism, both called for liberalization of market during their brutal regimes. Their people suffer more than any body else under the so called corrupted Chinese communist party.
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
"Their people suffer more than any body else under the so called corrupted Chinese communist party" Really? Are you sure about that? Then why the hell arent you moving back to China? I was in Tsinghua U, Beijing for the past six months. Students arent even allowed to get on youtube or wiki for some controversial topics against China, and many of them cannt wait to get the hell out of China.
accord03 2 years ago
"moving back to China" based on how "good" the Chinese Party is only a partial answer. Migration has a historical character and is specific in time and space. "Students arent even allowed to get on youtube or wiki for some controversial topics against China," - Don't forget that the imperialists have been (and successfully) trying to level out their crimes as well (i.e. bail outs, deregulation, exploitation, and etc). FBI and CIA activities are just not known to the people, as simple as that.
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
At least people are allowed to talk about " their crimes" and even publish books. Are you getting in trouble from posting all those anti US messages on youtube? No, cause we have freedom of speech in the US. If you do the same thing towards to the Chinese govt, you are already in prison and will be soon lined up and shot!
accord03 2 years ago
"anti US messages on youtube" - No, I love the country as much as any other territories on earth. I do not know what messages you are referring to. "have freedom of speech in the US" - You have freedom of speech, but you are free to be exploited as well. I have explained what democracy and liberalization means in my previous comments here. If you count my critique as anti-US messages, you may want to deal with my comments first before attacking me personally
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
"Democracy is a capitalist tool to deceive the working people. Look at US imperialism and British Imperialism, both called for liberalization of market during their brutal regimes. Their people suffer more than any body else under the so called corrupted Chinese communist party." Really? I guess you really "love the country as much as any other territories on earth."
accord03 2 years ago
1.
I talk about US imperialism, British imperialism, and territories as different parts of my argument. You are putting them together as if these three things happen all together and make generalized assumptions. I see territories as a concept that do not assume national border. When I said "the country," I referred to something that had border.
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
2.
To put them together, I am saying that territories are divided by national boundaries (hence your point "anti-US). U.S. the term itself assumes a border. This border is historically specific. U.S. border was very differently in 18th century than now. When you said anti-US, therefore you assume a ahistorical boundary. Taken the historical specificity into consider, what you just wrote does not defend what you wrote earlier, "freedom of speech in the US."
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
3.
The Chinese reform and the U.S. reform period went hand in hand. U.S. needed the labor power in lower services sectors. China mass produced but needed consumers. They went hand in hand. The so called China's corrupted officials in the 70s forward are product of the reform. This triggered the June 4th movement, but it did not address why corruption took place to begin with. If the reform was to be criticized, the student would not call for more freedom but equal rights for all workers.
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
4.
The U.S. 60s forward saw deregulation and liberalization of the market. The U.S. state did help to create a deregulated state creating a condition for investment and productive capitals. This corresponded with the second migrations from Asia, particularly the Chinese. 90s saw more Chinese in the U.S. Mexicans came in as well. What happen to these migrant workers? The boss use them and pit them against each other. This drove wage wages, and some workers were not paid at all.
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
5.
Am I still anti-U.S.? No. I am simply criticizing the economic and political structure IN the U.S. I am not saying they can't be changed. In fact, they can be changed. I am not Anti-China as well. These structures can be changed. That is why you see student movements like the June 4th. What I have issues with the June 4th is that, the students simply did not represent anybody else BUT THEMSELVES!
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
If you think there were some bad things in the American history, I can agree with you. But comparing to what the Communist govt did to the Chinese since 1949, I mean from the Land reform, Zhen Fan campaign, three-anti/five-anti campaigns, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution....and all that, millions of innocent Chinese citizens were killed. People are allowed to talk about it, history books in school dont mention any of them.
accord03 2 years ago
I am not denying the devastating negative impacts of the failed movements. I am saying that there should be a comparison. If you look at the conditions of the migrant workers in the U.S. (post reform), they were not any better than the mainland workers. Concepts like freedom, democracy, and human rights U.S. embraces could not even stand on its own feet. Exploitations were everywhere, and workers were being pit against each other to drive down wages. Employers ran away with workers' money.
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
I hope that you are not suffering in the country.lol
accord03 2 years ago
Seems like you English is pretty good. I really think 五毛 is such an under paid lol.
accord03 2 years ago
You fucking Americans, you really should shut the fuck up and start minding your own fucking business. You have far more military crushdowns than China. Your fucking government stinks, it's hated all around the world. To hell with American fucking democracy. Phony, hypocrite
xxjustin910 2 years ago
DON'T HATE APPRECIATE!
DMWestWoodElite 2 years ago
Not sure what you mean by hate. If you define hate as something a person attacks or names others by racial and sexual terms, you may see that is being done by post-reform bourgeois in China. Some migrant workers ain't even human. I have heard HK Chinese calling mainland or south asians with racialized and sexualized terms. Working people are being pit against by such terms. I am not sure what appreciation you are speaking of.
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
The govt have not given a single apology to their own people. You think "people suffer more than any body else under the so called corrupted Chinese communist party." You got to be kidding me! And now, we can people in this country can learn from the past. In China, the young ones didnt even know what the hell happened.
accord03 2 years ago 2
In U.S., a so called free country, people don't even realize they are racists and are being exploited. Schools train you to take advantage of others, teach you to deceive your potential customers, teach you how to lie to your workers, teach you where to get cheap labor power, and divide the social body into the so called educated and the non-educated. I don't think China was and is anything lesser than the U.S. The iron rice bowl was only for some people, but that was still an accomplishment
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
I like that the iron rice bowl,lol. My parent used to have that. lol I hope that one day the Chinese citizens will be allowed for more freedom. And the Chinese govt will recognize the history.
accord03 2 years ago
I'm in the US right now and I was educated in the US and I had not experience such education here. SCMP is a Hong Kong newspaper company. They probably had this American commenting on this incident because she spoke good English. She's probably an expat living in Hong Kong working for them. All these anti-American sentiment of yours are uncalled for. There are tons of people in the Hong Kong who are critical of the event.
madhoyden 2 years ago
Quote me one sentence that I wrote referring to your so called "anti-American sentiment"?
-I draw on the US to give a historical comparison. Some of the comments here and elsewhere on June4th were made as if the June4th event took place in isolation. I draw on China's reform as well. Am I anti-Chinese now?
"tons of people in the Hong Kong who are critical " - Yes, but why the SCMP only shows the democrats? why not show the views of the unions and other workers' centers? This alone is one viewed
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
You sorry asses Americans: Rmember what the Chicago police did at the 1968 Democratic convention. You sent in 12,000 fucking police and over 5,000 National Guard to beat the hell out of anti Vietnam War protestors. and what about Kent State Unviersity, why did the National Guard fucking kill anti war students?? Why don't you fucking Americans celebrate that??
xxjustin910 2 years ago
Yes, the USA did all of the above. The difference lies in the Americans know about those, and the government let the facts be know, but the Chinese don't. By the way, I am Chinese.You probably never experienced an openly repressive regime, and now only been brain washed and happy about the economic gains. One should never be swayed by economic gains along. Definitely not over people's lives. Those who died on June 4th, are your brothers and sisters, too.
maybudha 2 years ago 3
it doesnt matter if u are chinese or not. im chinese as well and i am not affected by democracy as much as u. im not american. i know both worlds western and china hypocrisy errors and bad areas. just saying majoirty of chinese dont have to think like the minority and most young people dont care unless provoked like me. u never see chinese interfere in ur usa massacres thoughout history towards minorities and even ur own.
babesterdudester 2 years ago
Some people just don't see the June 4th within a particular historical context. June4th is a liberal product and the students were used by the HK bourgeois to tap into China Mainland sources. Further opening borders will make working people's conditions worse.
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
Who tells you that this is not a political show staged by the racist West? The West supports one side. The two sides had a gun fight. We Chinese people are not part of it. We Chinese do not support or against either one side.
gluvuv 2 years ago
I wonder why US media does not "celebrate" the anniversary of Kent State every 5 years ? ...LoL
EdT586 2 years ago 2
Or the on going Iraq massacre!
gluvuv 2 years ago
This is more civilized compared to, say, Iraq. The video selectively missed too many details.The Christian West must learn to look at this with rationality.
The Chinese speaker has naïve faith on the West. He is used.
gluvuv 2 years ago
Fuck china and fuck anyone who supports them. Let the fuckers burn for their crimes.
Arelak 2 years ago
you are simply nuts
Billywong 2 years ago
Fuck Jesus Christ and fuck anyone who supports Christiantiy.
gluvuv 2 years ago
gluvuv shut the fuck up okey!!!
92xelan 2 years ago
you have some serious issues that has nothing to do with Christianity. Go work on your anger issue.
maybudha 2 years ago
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xxjustin910 2 years ago
谁能如同我们这般渴望自由和民主呢?哎 ~~~
chinapdds 2 years ago
六四英靈,拋灑熱血,造就中國;駕返瑤池 世世代代,庇護蒼生!
706336065 2 years ago
it not good is very sad coz the tank rolled over there tent it very sad if u got rolled over will you like it
FluffyGreenCloud 2 years ago
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Imagine some 100 thousand communist gather infront of the white house, demanded to overthrown the government, what would us do?
So biased
qweszxcqazesc 2 years ago
Imagine some 100 thousands of communists gathered infront of white house trying to over thrown the United states government......What would US do?
This is so biased
qweszxcqazesc 2 years ago 2
It is still not clear who "Tank Man" is/was.
fireflyrufust 2 years ago
The state capitalists now controlling China should be overthrown and imprisoned. They have betrayed the revolution and the ideals of Chairman Mao.
athompson7 2 years ago
bourgeois student movements were not necessary. some of the student leaders were liberal economists.
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
wow I can't believe it's been 20 years already
dahotwon 2 years ago
Thank you for posting this video, very well spoke and very intresting thanks
Halifaxtownfan 2 years ago
The Chinese Government is decisive to stop this so-called "democracy". How could a country progress if every now and then there are civil unrest, riot etc? Generally, the Chinese Government had done well. It is a pity that those people who followed the strike blindly or merely know the concept of demoracry not knowing the element, die in the crackdown.
chuaenghua 2 years ago
Well normally it wouldn't come to riots and that sort of thing, if the government treated its people well. But obviously it isn't in China. So people react in a way that they regard adequate to their despair and situation. Besides the Chinese Government might be doing a lot of good for China's economy but economic growth is not a guarantee for good living conditions. Most of China's population doesn't profit from the economic boom so I understand their frustration very well.
roecla 2 years ago
i disagree with you on the point of the use of violence in suppressing the riot. there would have been different ways in dealing with the students. there were people following the bourgeois student blindly. democracy does not necessary get rid of corruptions. corruption itself came out from the reform, which was a LIBERAL REFORM (deregulation, loosening of the central goven etc). Liberal reform in itself would have led to a "democratic" turn, which is a call to reinforce the market economy
kantimmanuel05 2 years ago
I'm chinese,I can't watch this vedio,would you mind send me this vedio to my E-mail? thx~
wyh0224 2 years ago
This image stuck out most in people's mind. Emotional people think this guy was brave to use his own body to stop 3 tanks. Rational people think if there was a massacre going on, why not just shoot this guy down with the tanks' machine gun? Other tanks that were running down people were built with stealth technology?
thirty6min 2 years ago
It was daytime. Much easier to hide massacre at night.
worldwidesquirrel 2 years ago
I totally agree with you. I have this epic picture sticking in my mind and heart. I was in Beijing for the first time 9 years ago and tianamen square was the place that impressed me most.
SHUNGABALI 2 years ago
Imagine yourself stand in front of those tanks! I have that epic picture sticking in my room just to remember that day 20 years ago! RIP for those students who fought for democracy. Althoug the human rights in China still not improved but the lifes of chinese people is getting better and the country is prosperous than before! Thanks for the memory!
ernest72 2 years ago 2