Inverted flat spin

[microdon2]

VERY cool.

[sedgewickz]

that plane sounds like its about to explode

[timkiwi]

these will spin nose high inverted, power off, stop rotation with rudder, stick back.(yes that's right back, your inverted) airspeed, lots of it. they can then snap into a spin on recovery if your too slow or pull to hard eg too low.

[blancolirio]

Emergency Spin Recovery Technique

"does that hold true for flat spin as well?" (longhornPhysicist)

Yes

That's why step 1 is power OFF (Idle)

So it doesn't matter what kind of spin you are in...it works

[manifestgtr]

sorry man I can't pay for this lesson today...my wallet was in the breast pocket of my coat when we went inverted

[blancolirio]

Pitts Special- a great design!

Inverted Flat Spin- note: it takes POWER to turn an inverted spin into an inverted FLAT spin...very disorienting! and a possible outcome while practicing acro.

Emergency Spin Recovery Technique

1. Power -OFF

2. Stick- Neutral

3. Rudder-full rudder opposite direction of rotation

4. Recover from dive.

[LonghornPhysicist]

@blancolirio does that hold true for flat spin as well?  Sounds like some good sim fun nonetheless!

[ThePilot314]

That´s it ......... dancing with a plane in it´s element!

[Mrtunner101]

can be described as fucking intense!!!!!

[timo25ification]

it looks ike the wing are going to fold off that poor biplane

[nikl99]

@timo25ification You must not know a damn thing about Pitts'.

[piloty5]

planes should not do this!!

[straighttailpilot]

interesting... adding power to help the rotation and reducing to help exit. just like a knife edge spin.

[pordenson]

AMAZING....

[chinagilb]

Very nice to do that in a proper airplane and a first class instructor. Imagine you getting inadvertently in a situation like this.... without knowing how to get out... huhhhh huhhh hu huhhhh....

[perez1975]

GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[countrygirl999999]

it looks scary

[jofus2019]

@countrygirl999999 I don't doing a normal spin. I can't imagine how this would be...

[FLY172M]

@countrygirl999999 Someone that's never done it before, will shit there pants. Believe me I had to fly in my skybolt with someone who did that.

[jhhwingnut]

Very interesting....excellent piloting....!! Why can't you just opposite rudder neutral to aft stick fly out the bottom...?? Just curious..??

[slacker361]

that is why the cg is forward of the center of lift, this way you can get out of a flat spin

[winterka100]

I'll be back in a minute--- I've just going to throw up,

[countrygirl999999]

@winterka100 me 2

[archer11111111]

OMFG!!! I did a normal spin but... never an inverted spin!!

[zzddytt]

@archer11111111 normal planes can't pull itself out of a flat spin, inverted or not.

[bigbang966]

@zzddytt normal planes like the Cessna can pull out of a normal spin

[debink1990]

btw, and once again I am a glider pilot so I am not sure...But I would think you would cut the power since you need to get close to stall speed. And thus engine power would mean a higher angle of attack. I think it is possible but not logical. Also recovery of the spin is done by simply applying full rudder opposite to the direction of rotation and bleeding of excess speed by pulling up. Another reason why not to use power: potential overspeed (dangerous in combination with large rotational acc)

[nzspikej]

@debink1990 Gyroscopic forces from the prop help flatten the spin. Overspeed is not an issue because of the stalled high drag state of the a/c, but snapping the crank or front bearing with the gyro forces is possible and does happen.

[SoreHead11]

Sweet mother of all that's sacred!!! I think I'm going to be ill just watching that.

What altitude are they starting it at?

[drummer987]

ive been told never to add power because that can put you in a worse spin but instead put opposite rudder and pitch the nose down for airspeed then once you have control add power.

[debink1990]

It depends if you apply left or right rudder. You have to choose the one which counteracts the torque caused by the engine. I dont even know if you use power on since I am a glider pilot lol. But a spin occurs when you are near stall speed and apply full rudder to cause one wing to stall before the other and thus you have one wing which has lift and your other wing which has none. Thus you get a strong rotating moment causing the spin.

[RobertGary1]

You need to add power in a flat spin to get air over the tail. In addition the power helps keep the spin tight for maximum affect. This is an advanced aerobatic manuever though and not something taught to most pilots. Flat spins are only taught for aerobatics

-Robert, CFII

[odoyle414]

drummer989, I think that was the idea, he's not trying to induce/recover from a normal spin.

[skat0r]

lol wtf is happening :O

[Kabuki0Kozou]

Maybe a stall recovery

[shakenama]

It's called a flat spin. In a spin, both wings are in a stalled condition, however one wing will be in a deeper stall condition than the other. This causes the aircraft to rotate on the YAW axis due to the non-symmetric lift and drag.

To recover from a flat spin the pilot must reduce power with alirons level and opposite rudder.

[jofus2019]

You've described a normal spin.

Recovery from a FLAT spin depends on the aircraft. There would be a slim chance of getting out of a flat spin in a Cessna 172.

It's a spin, but with the aircraft loaded too heavy aft. This causes aircraft to spin in a level attitude. In a C172, it's considered unrecoverable. All control surfaces are useless. The only way to recover is to somehow change the center of gravity by jumping on the dash or something.

[HHSFHarry]

@jofus2019 Unrecoverable? Hmmm...What if you got some air flowing over the control surfaces by adding some power (not enough to red line). Think that'd work?

[flywithchip]

let the stick go and opposite rudder. Aerobatics 101

[Bateseh]

Inverted, wouldn't it be the opposite to what's normal?

[last1in]

they had to cut power too

[MingGuoLi]

What'd you do to get out of the spin?

[airmen333]

vite partendo da stallo in volo rovescio.

[blastforyou]

The pazmany pl2 which is a plans built in america that dates back to the mid 60's and was used as a primary trainer by the Taiwanese airforce if you let a flat spin go past 4 revolutions supposedly it could not be recovered.

[SDDrewGS4]

Is it possible to get in an unrecoverable stall?

[aceflyer89]

Depends. It all depends on the wind, speed, weight of plane...etc. In theory you can get out of any stall, spin, or spiral as long as you know what you're doing.

[ParadigmaticShift]

the answer to your question is yes, in some jets the only way to save yourself is to punch out (eject).

[multisyncxp]

yes it is. although smaller aircraft are easier to recover than large aircraft. Unrecoverable would be any stall that cannot be corrected before hitting 0AGL. So if u enter a stall just after take off (depending on the plane) you have less altitude and are less likly to recover from the stall. If u get into a flat spin in a large aircraft... i think ur perty much screwed.

[SkiAv8or]

Theoretically even in jets you can get out of a Flat spin, you'd just need a good 100,000 feet of altitude, in other words its probably not happening

[ElRhinoProductions]

Stalling in a UltraLight is prone to being extremely hard to recover from (due to the fact it tends to go backwards and starts to spin) but other than that, no. its pretty much just nose down and throttle up =)

[8Blurb13]

depends on the plane In a training aircraft its difficult to get into a spin in the first place, but if you get in one it is really easy to recover. In contrast, I've hear that the only way to get an air tractor out of a spin is to deploy a chute (if you have one most dont).

FAA requires that an aircraft can get out of a spin that is at least one full turn. the more it spins, the harder to recover.

In some aircraft, such ascitabria (I fly 1) inverted flat spins are really hard 2 get out of

[hairkabob]

Nice!

[FoulOwl]

That's one tough little fuckin airplane.

[Apollo580]

Get me my brown pants. That would scare the shit out of me.

[fernanties]

"browned my pants", haha, yea the canopy would definitely have a barf coating.

[kitmm]

Fantastic video. I don't mind stalling too much, but that would have browned my pants without a doubt.

[BassBiggieD]

WOW THAT WOULD BE FUN!!!!

i love doing power on stalls in the plane im training in (c-150-f) and spin recovery, this would just be incredible

[helobelow]

Are you training for your CFI rating?

[Kona77XP]

OMG. I freak out in a 172 doing practice stalls. I cant imagine doing this....VOMIT BAG!

[Spayne007]

seems like hes got to get on the throttle to keep it in the spin, judging by that it shouldnt be too hard to recover from it. not that i should know ive never done one.

[snafuedem]

Ive done a few in a decathlon. I think the inverted spin is safer than upright

[snafuedem]

lol why would anyone thumb this comment down. People are so stupid.

[nikl99]

@snafuedem Not sure about safer for most pilots, but you do have more rudder control in an inverted spin.

[snafuedem]

@nikl99 It is...the tail is into the wind instead of the tail feathers blocking most of its effectiveness. Any aerobatic clinic will tell you the same.

[MarkLVeney]

The recovery procedure is?

[d43e49]

power off neutral aileron full opposite rudder out of stall

[movitmovit]

that was very educational . thanks

[marineman4012]

wow nicely done!

[IflyN38PA]

thats not an open cockpit c the reflection

[JonnySchretz]

yea do an inverted flat spin in a steerman...fucking fall out lol

[RobertGary1]

That must be wild in open cockpit. I've done inverted spins in the Decathlon.

[LeHair]

Can I ask.. did you soil yourself? The limit of my unusual positions in an aircraft is a steep-turn.. and that made my palms sweat.

[blackrobe28]

That's crazy... in a good way... I was blowing chunks just watching you practice the spin!

[katana4]

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