yeah but we are not actually purposly going out and dumping craP ALL OVER EVERYBODY YOU JACK ASSES.. STOP PURPOSLY DUMPING THIS cRAP ON US .. IM GONNA SUE EVERYONE OF YOU THIS IS MY AIR TOO..
THEY ARE MISSING A MUCH BIGGER REALITY.......CHEMTRAIL OPERATIONS TO GEO ENGINEER THE CLIMATE ARE ALREADY UNDER FULL SWING......THE NET RESULT IS FAR MORE DAMAGING FOR MULTIPLE REASONS......ALUMINUM/POLOMER NANO PARTICLES ARE RAVENGING BEE BAT BIRD FISH AMPHIBIAN AND OH YAH HUMAN POPULATIONS ALONG WITH ALL PLANT LIFE....
One question for everyone... if global warming is caused by humans why are the rest of the planets heating up right along with us? The whole solar system is warming not just Earth. Why isn't that being publicized?
Post Glacial Rebound. 2030 Climate Report released in 09/2008. Runaway ice melt due to nuclear fallout in ice cores. CO2 warming is a HOAX! Money con to burden you all with carbon taxes. Carnegie Foundation is funded by big money that stomps on the poor & middle class. NLE 2011 New Madrid Fault. Ice at poles melts, goes into ocean circulation. Trillions of tons of water weight depressing ocean floors, magma push. Over 340% increase in earthquakes. See Dr. Deagle, believersunderground
The Aluminium Sulfade they are using is upsetting the PH balance of all the soil it comes in contact with and if eaten or drank, it will upset the ph in all life as well. In doing that you will have mass die offs, you will speed cancers and other illnesses and these people on the stage ALL KNOW IT.
I fucking hate geoengineering.We are going to fuck up the planet even worse than we already have.If they dont stop this nonsense,i`m going to kill myself.
a few days ago both night & day at separate times, 2 different formations of x's occurred. in the day, a criss cross of 6-7 jet streams in one X. in the night, a grid-like pattern with about 6-8 jet streams exactly over my apartment building. about the same time i changed the title on this video. Now, i am experiencing a coincidence & it's hard to connect jet streams to same day symptoms of dry hard cough, mucus, green-yellow phlem, headache, nasal congestion, chest pain, confusion.
KenCaldieri is a BIll Gates, H.P. Blavatsky satanic depopulation lackey. I know he will go to hell no doubt about it. I just hope his whole family goes too for not stopping this madman. He lies through his teeth and cares nothing for the regular middle class who can't afford to spend all their money fighting off his biowarfare on us that he hides as "geoengineering". A polite way of saying I AM A GOD>
And this is exactly the problem with pride. If a small portion of the video does not match your preconceived belief, then you stop watching. This is an astounding fallacy of human nature and completely hinders peoples' ability to learn and think critically.
Your statement about "very cool" is also a straw man. Honestly, if you would overcome your fears and personal bias and simply take the time to listen to climate scientists, you may learn something.
Yes, many don't understand the connection between eugenics and climate change, and even though I provided a link explaining it, few will ever view it. Their arrogance and/or fear prevents it.
Related... it's amazing that you question my knowledge of the subject while obviously failing to read the posts you're responding to. How typical.
@mmem701 Oh also, I watched the first 10 minutes of the video you linked to and the guy is a complete babbling fool. He seems sincere but he does not have to foggiest idea of the basic concepts involved. He can't differentiate between temperature and temperature change. He actually calls outer-space "very cool". He obviously has not read the articles and is basing everything on what he gleans from popular presentations. He is devoid of knowledge about the role of water vapor in models.
The climate change claim is nothing more than an attempt to justify eugenics through geoengineering. Just as unwarranted-wiretapping began long before it was publicized (1995, not 2001), eugenics through geoengineering began in the 80's.
@mmem701 Wiretapping has been going on since the days of a the telegraph 1800's. It was perfected in the 30's. Put into wide spread use by the 40's, and part of J Edgar Hoovers political power for 3 decades. What happened in 2001 is we changed the law so that many people working for the government could do it, they could legally force the cooperation of telecom companies, it could be used as criminal evidence against you, and if they got caught they would never get in trouble.
@michalchik No. In the mid 90's they already forced the telecoms to wiretap. This is the way government normally does unpopular things. They do it secretly, then when a good reason/excuse appears (like 911), they make public what they've been doing for years. This same principle applies here. Eugenics has been going on for years. Now they need to justify it in the public eye. Presto: The climate change myth is invented. urlbam - com/ha/4zz
@mmem701 Well law enforcement has had access to telephone lines since at least hoover. FISA was passed in the 90's to allow roving wire taps, but required a warrant and was inadmissible evidence without one. Operation carnivore and eschalon were early attempts to have wide spread systematic surveillance, That was during the 80's under Reagan.
As far as eugenics goes, I am not even sure you know what that is, and it has NOTHING to do with climate change. Know your terms b4 you start abusing them
@judomagyar So you accept the evaluation on geoengineering of someone who is sure anthropogenic thermal forcing is real? I thought you thought global warming was something advocated by frauds and fools, yet you are willing to go to this guy as a source, Could it be that you are just picking and choosing bits and pieces of stuff that support the conclusions you want to hear? Or perhaps you are having those bits chosen for you.
Actually, you were not responding to me, you were responding to mem701. Apparently you gave up on me when I asked you to produce some evidence beyond anecdotes and hype. No one is more or less acceptable to me. Actual science is what is acceptable to me. Not press releases, testimonials, stock values, catchy slogans, or even logical arguments based on someones "common sense". I want the same reliable scientific method that engineers use to make planes fly, doctors use to cure disease, etc...
Go to weatheractiondotcom and watch the video where Pierce is talking on October 20th 2009 (if I remember right) and he is predicting a cold and snowy winter with very cold periods for England. The British MET office predicted mild or warm winter.
We all know that the last winter in England was cold with cold-snaps and a lot of snow.
@judomagyar How about a controlled systematic study and methodological review like every real scientist in the world has to go through when they make predictions. Psychics have pages and pages of predictions they "got right"?
Hard numbers. How often is he right. How does this compare to chance. What are his tolerances for error. How does he compare to conventional meteorology and climatology over a statistically significant number of trials.
@judomagyar I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, with mathematical certainty from my graduate school training in statistics that there is not enough information provided to determine if he got lucky, unlucky, had average predictive accuracy, misevaluated his success or committed fraud. I read through the PDF's and other evidence and they are unsystematic, uncontrolled and unauditable. I watched the vid, it is full of claims, no data, it is an infomercial. He obviously has a profit motive,
The Met office got it wrong in their long term summer forecast for England in 2007, 2008, 2008, 2009, 2010 using their supercomputer that cost the tax payers 7 million Pounds.
Corbyn beat them for the 5th summer forecasting cooler and very wet summers.
Google Steven Goddard: "The Met Office UK summer forecast – Mad Dogs and Englishmen"
@judomagyar Learn what a systematic independent controlled study is and show me one. I have heard this kind of crap from people selling berries to cure cancer, astrologers to predict stock values, and dowsers to predict earthquakes. I want science not infomercials and rumors from squealing fans and venal conmen. I asked for a scientific study or at least a physical model from the start and you have given me hearsay, anecdotes, and advertisements. Gullible is not in the dictionary, look it up!
John Harrison vs. the British scientific establishment including Newton and Huygens Alfred Lothar Wegener vs. George Gaylord Simpson Dr. Barry Marshall and Dr. Robin Warren vs. the entire medical establishment.
Corbyn vs. the MET office and the entire AGW scientific-governmental establishment...
@judomagyar No, All, those people put out systematic observations/theories and allowed independent verification of their ideas. This is much more like, the tobacco institute, the asbestos research counsel, the same petroleum companies that brought you "harmless" leaded gasoline, the coal companies that claimed that acid rain was "fertilizer". Galileo did not have billionaire industries behind him and the scientific establishment against him. You are the victim of a slick ad campaign not science
@michalchik Corbyn does not have billionaire industries behind him. He sells his forecasts to farmers and commodity traders etc...If they didn't think his forecasts are good they would not pay money. It is the IPCC and the MET office are the ones that are supported by tax money and heavily influenced by politics. None of Corbyn's clients would buy the forecasts of the MET office because they don-t like the track record: 0% Corbyn's accuracy has to do with tobacco or asbestos?
@judomagyar I am asking for two simple things that every scientist has to do, a model and a controlled study. As far as you know, Corbyn believes CO2 plays a big role and uses it in his predictions secretly to hide fact that he is just a good conventional meteorologist or maybe he has found another factor on top of CO2 or he could just be a conman that knows how to hide his failures like Bernie Madoff who ripped off ordinary folks and billionaires by the thousands. You don't know; I can't tell.
@judomagyar I don't give a rats butt about Al Gore; I haven't seen his film. He is not doing science, just like Corbyn. Pachauri, summarized scientific findings, but published no original research. Kirby does real science, but I doubt you actually read him. He thinks at least 50% of the warming is due to anthro CO2 and simply raises the possibility that there is a correlation between solar variability, cosmic rays and climate, he has no model. Read him/other scientists, not just those you like.
@michalchik "Kirby does real science, but I doubt you actually read him."
I can send you the 44-page PDF I mentioned If you have trouble finding it on the internet. I have open right now and on page 22 Kirkby states: "Mean global temperatures flat over last 8 years. Cause not known but
CO2 increasing, so must be natural forcing." so he knows that CO2 is not the dominant forcing.
@judomagyar Please do send me the PDF. The reference you sent me was to a colloquium which i watched. It was not actually a peer reviewed published paper. FYI, a colloquium is a lecture.
@judomagyar "CO2 increasing, so must be natural forcing." so he knows that CO2 is not the dominant forcing. "
Take statistics! My 80 year old mother's arthritis got better last month, despite the fact that she was older than the month before. So therefore her age is not a dominant factor in her arthritis. Fast short term variations, can buck long term trends . We know that solar output has been unusually low for the last 8 years or so, but it is also the hottest decade on record.
@judomagyar Well, according to the colloquium I saw, he has already run a cloud chamber experiment and has come up with negative results. He proposes refinements which he is certainly entitled to do, but fails to explain why he thinks those refinements are more realistic or will give different answers. Still, I want to see him try his refinements. Maybe there is a cloud chamber like effect going on in the stratosphere no one will know until the real science is done. A lab model is one part.
@judomagyar Secondly, you missed my point. I am not saying that Corbyn is like Madoff, I am saying that the fact that Corbyn claims to have a lot of investors is not evidence for the soundness of his science. People throw money at stupid things ALL THE TIME. Las Vegas is city built on peoples stupidity with money. Nor do testimonials of enthusiastic people count. Nor do advertisements. The mere fact he uses these things as evidence is evidence that he is a huckster with nothing real to show.
He sells the long term forecasts. If the forecast is not successful, next time the clients will not buy it. Why is this so difficult for you?
You sound like a lawyer specializing in attacking scientific evidence to confuse the jury. You pretend to misunderstand something in order to win the argument.
@judomagyar When you understand why people bought Poor Richard's Almanac over and over, gamble over and over, read astrologers year after year, and Uri Geller became rich enough to buy his own island, you will start to understand why Corbyn's CLAIMED success has nothing to do with science. As PT Barnum said, "No one ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the .. public"
I simply want a model and a controlled independent scientific study. Something that every scientist has to do.
@judomagyar I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, with mathematical certainty from my graduate school training in statistics that there is not enough information provided to determine if he got lucky, unlucky, had average predictive accuracy, misevaluated his success or committed fraud. I read through the PDF's and other evidence and they are unsystematic, uncontrolled and unauditable. I watched the vid, it is full of claims, no data, it is an infomercial. He obviously has a profit motive
The climate has always been changing, with us trying to do whatever, or with us doing nothing. So save a lot of money and do nothing.
Miskolczi proved that climate sensitivity is 0.333333.... This means a negative feedback and no chance of a runaway greenhouse situation as a result of increasing CO2.
@judomagyar And climate change has had devastating effects on life on earth before. Ever heard of the Permian extinction? Just because nature causes disasters does not mean that man can not cause them too or make them worse. Miskolczi is full of it, his calculations assume the atmosphere is in orbit around the earth. He makes several other basic errors too. READ his actually paper, it is a joke, as is the journal it is published in, The Hungarian meteorological association? Get real.
1) The atmosphere IS orbiting the earth. The period of rotation is 24 hours. Right?
2) You shouldn't be arrogantly dismissing a HUNGARIAN anything. Let me enlighten you. The Manhattan Project and the American A-bomb would not have happened in time if some Hungarians didn't come to the US. Even the Rubik's Cube and the coach (French coche, from obsolete German Kotsche, from Hungarian kocsi) came from Hungarian minds.
@judomagyar No an orbit is when the centripetal acceleration = the centripetal force/mass. Since PE = force x distance the potential energy term of his equations are completely wrong.
Hungarians are just as smart as anyone else. But Edward Teller did his work in the US. The Hungarian science infrastructure today is barely functional, it is the victim of the collapse of the soviet union. It is third world quality.
@judomagyar Yes, that is all fine, Teller made a witty quip and some languages do lend themselves better to certain types of thinking. Science Nobel prizes HU 2, IT 3, FR 7, GE 11, UK 15, US 87. A good language doesn't do jack when the infrastructure sucks.
Anyway Miskolczi's article fails on its own merits, even if he came from a country of geniuses. I brought up the journal not to deprecate Hungarians but because that is simply a 4th rate journal that you can not count on being rigorous.
@michalchik Miskolczi resigned from NASA because they did not publish his work that contradicted the grand Priest of AGW, "Saint James" Hansen, and because Miskolczi caught his boss deleting files from his computer. Hungarian born scientific Nobel-winners: Lénárd Fülöp-1905 Bárány Róbert-1914 Zsigmondy Richárd-1925 Szent-Györgyi Albert-1937 Hevesy György-1943 Békésy György-1961 Wigner Jenô-1963 Gábor Dénes-1971 Polanyi, John C.-1986 Oláh György-1994
@judomagyar You missed Avram Hershko, Chemistry, 2004. We are talking about the current state of affairs in Hungarian science since the collapse of the east block. That is why i went back 20 years and found 2. You wanna go back though all history India 9, HU12, IT 13, FR 34, Ge ~90, UK~100, US ~300
His journal "Quarterly Journal of the Hungarian Meteorological Services" is not a journal that anyone reads and therefor it is not properly peer reviewed. Which is why it contains basic errors.
@michalchik The current state of Hungarian science is: politicized.
Dr. Zagoni was fird from his job when he was asked to evaluate Miskolcvzi's paper and he found that Miskolczi is right. Also, there is no money for anything.
Therefore scientists go to US.
How many Nobel prizes remain if we take ot the foreign born winners?
Just because you don't read some journal it does not mean there are basic errors in it. You are applying logical fallacies again.
@judomagyar It is in a journal. It is just in a bad journal which means that it did not go through normal peer review. I am not saying Hungarians are stupid, I am saying that their science infrastructure is bad, so they can't support good science or weed out bad science. that is why so many geniuses come to the US, because our science infrastructure is good, and they can do good science here.
@judomagyar Let me put this simply. If CO2 greenhouse was self limiting the way Miskolczi seems to think it is. Why is Venus 735 K when it receives about a 1/4 the sunlight of mercury while mercury's average temp is around 300 and absolute max temp is 700.
Not that venus's atmosphere is 95% carbon dioxide. 5% nitrogen (not a good greenhouse gas) and virtually nothing else.
Please explain to me how this can be true if Miskolczi is right?
the main idea of Miskolczi: On this planet… Water, in it’s triple forms, is the main climate driver.... and the only thing that has any significant effect on it, is the incoming radiation of the sun.
Highschool students should learn about the Hubbert curve.
The fact, that we have a limited amount of fossil fuel on our planet will not change whether there is or there is not a significant causal relationship between CO2 and global temperature.
@judomagyar OK, explain to me how adding the greenhouse gas H20 would dampen Venus's greenhouse effect in a way analogous to how you think CO2 is self-limited on the earth.
@judomagyar "CO2 is life, we would not exist without it. " Slogans are not a substitute for thought. You can survive fine in a 0% CO2 atmosphere. In fact I have breathed a heleox mixture that had no CO2. Replace just 10% of air with CO2 and you are unconscious, 15% and you are dead. You are not arguing a scientific point here you are a being a little parrot for corrupt politicians and foreign oil billionaires. You can do better than that.
Well you can survive without CO2 for a little while. Then you get hungry and you need to eat. All food ultimately comes from CO2, H2O and sunlight right?
@judomagyar Yes, but that is not the point. The point is that the slogan "CO2 is life" implies that more CO2 is good for us and the planet. I was pointing out that too much CO2 is bad for us and the planet. No one is suggesting we get rid of CO2, in fact that would be impossible. We are just suggesting that some of the extra CO2 we put in the atmosphere through burning geological carbon, is causing serious harm and creating circumstances that may lead to a disaster.
I do not see the famous correlation (on a few decade long interval) between CO2 concentration and global temperatures. On the other hand there is and extremely good correlation between what the sun and the galactic cosmic radiation is doing versus extreme weather event and changes in the climate on the few-decades-scale. See Shaviv, Svensmark
The correct way to respond to a non problem is to do nothing.
@judomagyar May lead to disaster I mean the collapse of our civilization. Lower end of likely scenarios are a drag of hundreds of billions of dollars a year from storm damage, transport disruption, crop failures, depletion of fisheries, spread of tropical diseases, additional energy costs for heating and cooling, loss of genetic diversity. If you think the science of GCC is based on emotional appeal you apparently have not read any of the scientific research and don't take truth seriously.
@judomagyar "There is nothing we should do regarding CO2. with increasing CO2 concentration it has less and less effect on global temperature."
You base that opinion on one discredited paper that you don't even understand. I have seen climatological models and physical evidence that supports them that I mostly understand. I would much rather base my opinion on science than your palpable ignorance and wishful thinking. READ the actual main papers in top notch journals.
@judomagyar Climatological models do do many things depending on initial conditions which is why they are run against historical record and try a range of plausible initial conditions that are double checked by competitors. What model parameters are you concerned about?
If you trust these people, pick one of them and tell me what you think his work proves is and why you trust it more than 99% of the scientific community? Then lets go through his work and his critics.
@judomagyar The source code for the programs is publically avaiable and anyone can audit it and run it. The source code is not written to produce and output, it is written to match the model. If its results match the historic record, then the model is a good one and can be used to predict future averages.
The Climate Research Unit of The University of East Anglia didn’t want to release their data or code, and they particularly weren’t interested in releasing any intermediate steps that would help someone else
They had successfully managed to restrict peer review to what we might call the “RealClimate clique” — the small group of true believers they knew could be trusted to say the right things.
@judomagyar They released their data and code even though the request was from laymen. Then when the laymen were to lazy or stupid to learn what it all meant they asked for them to walk them through every step. Sorry, the data is publicly available, if you are too stupid or lazy to understand it, that is NOT the scientists fault. They can't spend their lives giving every a-hole years worth of private lessons in math, CS and physics.
@michalchik Corbyn asked for the data from the Climate Research Unit of The University of East Anglia. Corbyn is an astrophysicist by training. Not a layman.
@judomagyar Well we may be familiar with different incidences. So why did he need them to take him through source code then? Does he not know you to read code? If not he either needs to study or collaborate with someone who does.
@michalchik "why did he need them to take him through source code"
Well, I do make my living by writing functioning software. I can tell you that reading someone else's code can be a real nightmare. The author walking you through the code is much much much faster that sitting down alone and trying to figure it out.
I didn't even mention that, one needs to be familiar with the particular language the code was written in. There were 4,660 files, including documents, raw data and computer code.
@judomagyar Yes, and i have written code professionally also, though I admit I am not very good at it. Nevertheless, I have struggled through other peoples code, and I have never considered it other peoples job to abandon their projects to get me up to speed. It is that much worse when some stranger not affiliated with your institution, the government, and accredited institution just says, hand over you project, explain everything to me, because I want to accuse you of fraud. It is just lazy.
@judomagyar Fine what scientific paper do you want to start with by Pierce Corbyn? How does its mechanisms differ from current models? What evidence is there that it mechanisms are correct?
@judomagyar I asked for a scientific paper that descibes his theory and how it differs from current theories, and shows actually data that support the idea that his model is more correct. I did not ask you for a bunch of unsupported claims about how awesome he is and how he agrees with you. Cite real sources that show real data and specific mechanistic models. I am not asking for your opinion about how awesome some guy is. I am asking for science, hard data, facts, calculation, etc...
Data and direct observation is always better than some theoretical blah-blah.
Go to weatheractiondotcom and click on forecast archive. You can do the same at the British MET office's archive. Then you can actually look at what really happened.
For example, the MET office predicted a mild winter in England for 2009-2010 Corbyn predicted extreme weather, cold, snow and flooding.
AGW theoretical discussions are like theologians arguing about the smell of fart in heaven. :-)
@judomagyar "Data and direct observation is always better than some theoretical blah-blah." That is like saying the tires on the left side of the car are more important that the right side. Data is absolutely necessary to test models, but the models are necessary to make predictions. Yesterday's weather does not tell me what next weeks will be unless I have tested mechanism to get from yesterday to next week.
You have neither provided data nor mechanism, just anecdotes about weather.
Tell the English tat suffered through the cold an huge amount of snow last winter. They were there. It is a documented fact. Millions of people can verify what the actual weather was.
Here is a good climate model: it has not been touched for the last ten years and ten years ago it made predictions that came to tuition in the last ten years.
@judomagyar You don't seem to know what an anecdote is. An anecdote is not a trivial account or one of dubious credibility, it is a single or small number of accounts not gathered in a systematic way quantifiable way. People pay attention to unusual events and this usually severely biases the interpretation of events. Unless there is a way of systemically counting the misses and comparing them to alternative methodology, this story you tell is as worthless as astrology.
@judomagyar If you want to use Corbyn's track record you need to show me a systematic survey of ALL his prediction and statistically show they are more accurate than climate scientists then show me how he made those predictions and why those models show that anthropogenic CO2 is not important. That is exactly the minimum standard every scientist has to go through when he proposes a new idea and that is why science works. "Psychics" can make themselves look good through cherry picking and lies.
@judomagyar No it is not logical, CO2 closes off another part of the IR spectrum from H20. If H20 was not there, a small change in CO2 would not make much difference, but the spectral window that CO2 covers is one of the few remaining ones open. In fact CO2 does a much better job covering the portion of the black body spectrum associated with the earths current temperature. Further, raising the temperature increases the release of CO2, H20 and methane from land and sea.
@judomagyar So I have been to the website and this is the only independently verifiable scientific review I could find. "A verification of UK gale forecasts by the ‘solar weather technique’: October 1995–September 1997" Which talks about the technique he claims to use, but doesn't mention him and concludes that in that two year period the solar technique could predict wind gusts at above chance level. This is a far cry from a revolutionary climate model . Do you know of anything stronger?
@judomagyar "By the way the dominant greenhouse gas is H2O not CO2."
And every climatologist in the world knows that and it is part of the calculation. Water is near saturation as a green house gas and CO2 operates in a different part of the spectrum. As CO2 drives up temperature in parts of the atmosphere that are not near H2O IR saturation (like the poles) the heating will amplify the problem there. And no, albedo rise from cloud cover won't help. Clouds scatter IR too.
@michalchik "albedo rise from cloud cover won't help"
Jeez, everyone lacks common sense?
I am pretty sure, I am not the only one who feels cooler when the clouds cover the sky. Could it be because the clouds reflect a lot of the incoming radiation? My dog know to get in the shade if he wants to cool down. I GUESS HE IS TOO STUPID TO KNOW THAT THE ALBEDO RISE FROM THE CLOUD COVER DOESN'T HELP.
@judomagyar Gee, how do clouds form (cold front pushes up hot air). Did you ever pass high-school earth science? Ever been in a monsoon? Ever been in the dessert at night. Do you know what factors weathermen look at predict temperature the next day? Yes, SURFACE temperatures during the DAY are higher on clear days. That is because of heat conversion at ground level. The atmosphere is more than a few feet thick in case you have not noticed. Clouds trap heat as well as block sunlight.
@michalchik We did not have highschool earth science.
By twelfth grade, we had 6 years of Chemistry, 8 years of math, 7 years of Physics, 8 years of Geology(and earth science), 8 years of Biology, 4 years of physical chemistry.
By the way, clouds do transfer heat from the surface to the higher atmosphere. Did you ever hear about showers, and Hurricanes, and Tornadoes?
@judomagyar "By the way, clouds do transfer heat from the surface to the higher atmosphere. Did you ever hear about showers, and Hurricanes, and Tornadoes? "
No evaporation, condensation, and convection current drive those things, not clouds. Clouds are a product of condensation which releases heat, cloud so not transfer heat. You really won't understand this until you stop thinking in vague fuzzy terms and learn the actual thermodynamic mechanisms.
Bunch of assholes have nearly destroyed this planet with their chemtrail bullshit, i've seen them dry up thunder clouds, creating droughts and really hot temps. When they spray that bullshit into the sky everyday for weeks we start to have all kinds of health alerts about particulate matter, ozone, and other shit. It gets so bad that people begin to die then they stop for a couple of days and the air is kinda normal until they start spraying again.
Don't you find some kind of a contradiction here? The fact that you use youtube means you dont have a cave for a home, and fire for heat. If you have a computer, then YOU are spraying "that bullshit" into the atmosphere every day. And that, my friend, is why people like Ken think we need to spray something else, only to counteract YOUR influence.
Become a caveman, and then tell me it's wrong to spray stuff into the atmosphere.
@MuammarAlGathafi You have seen them dry up thunderclouds? How exactly di you see "THEM" and how do you know that this thunder cloud did not disperse because of atmospheric solar heating and a warm dry front moving through?
If you live in your imagination you are going to make bad decisions and say stupid things.
@OGjimbo It really seems to be a matter of how much and where you put it, but caution is certainly warranted. Unfortunately we may be running out of time and options. Because of our reckless behavior we may have to do this and other risky things to save ourselves. I don't know the right answer.
they are confirming the use of chemtrails. Thats is the cause of acid rain, dont spray anymore, how do you know that if you dont do it the earth will heat up? Pollution we should clean up, did you hear about climate gate and how this science is basically wrong, and the real cause of heat is this geo engineering chemtrais, now they want to perpetuate them, and yes it is liable in criminal law with intent to depopulate and make people sick and dependent of big government through taxes.
There never was such a thing as God before humans made him up and since that first day, humans have been playing God ever since.
Thank God we are playing Him too since it's quite apparent that nobody else is.
And as to the crackpots who are still harping on about HAARP, you are one of the silliest and least thoughtful group of conspiracy theorists ever. You honestly believe the military is using HAARP to create earthquakes in already seismically active zones
So by cleaning up the air we remove sulfur which then increases the warming effect of the CO2 thereby making it necessary to clean the atmosphere even more causing earth temperature to increase until an equilibrium is achieved?
With this acceleration in the temperature increase what if equilibrium is not achieved or achieved to late. Could the unintended consequences of a failed rescue attempt be an acceleration to oblivion?
I wonder if Fora tv will address the geoengineering that is 'intentionally' caused? Such as chemtrail's and HAARP... The men in this video address 'un-intentional' geoengineering by man, why not discuss the 'intentional' geoengineering that is occurring?
@2222554 you're an idiot, by chemtrails I think you are referring to contrails or condensation trails. Oh, and HAARP, gimme a fucking break. I doubt that Fora TV will ever discuss either of those subjects.
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LeonidaEllison800 6 months ago
yeah but we are not actually purposly going out and dumping craP ALL OVER EVERYBODY YOU JACK ASSES.. STOP PURPOSLY DUMPING THIS cRAP ON US .. IM GONNA SUE EVERYONE OF YOU THIS IS MY AIR TOO..
durongloria 8 months ago
the issue here is insane scientist selling the earth is flat theory in hopes to receive that next pay check for their handlers.
iamjalove 9 months ago
CO2 is coming out of Ken's tailpipe! I can tell you THAT for sure!
SadEarthling 9 months ago
usa is responsible for 32% of the worlds population....
squamishriverjet 10 months ago
@squamishriverjet Perhaps you mean 32% of the worlds depopulation. I think you mean pollution, but I doubt it.
RamsesReturns 9 months ago
THEY ARE MISSING A MUCH BIGGER REALITY.......CHEMTRAIL OPERATIONS TO GEO ENGINEER THE CLIMATE ARE ALREADY UNDER FULL SWING......THE NET RESULT IS FAR MORE DAMAGING FOR MULTIPLE REASONS......ALUMINUM/POLOMER NANO PARTICLES ARE RAVENGING BEE BAT BIRD FISH AMPHIBIAN AND OH YAH HUMAN POPULATIONS ALONG WITH ALL PLANT LIFE....
illuminationclub 11 months ago 2
What this guy's saying, so, is: 'We're polluting too much, so let's pollute even more and hope that it'll solve our problem'.
noonesflower 11 months ago
I do NOT recall signing a right to be part of a study with unintended consequenses!
Autronia 11 months ago
I do NOT recall signing a right to be part of a study with unintended consequenses!
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exovoxrock 11 months ago
These fuckers are liars!!!
maidenkid84 11 months ago
One question for everyone... if global warming is caused by humans why are the rest of the planets heating up right along with us? The whole solar system is warming not just Earth. Why isn't that being publicized?
BellaLunaJessalynn 1 year ago
Post Glacial Rebound. 2030 Climate Report released in 09/2008. Runaway ice melt due to nuclear fallout in ice cores. CO2 warming is a HOAX! Money con to burden you all with carbon taxes. Carnegie Foundation is funded by big money that stomps on the poor & middle class. NLE 2011 New Madrid Fault. Ice at poles melts, goes into ocean circulation. Trillions of tons of water weight depressing ocean floors, magma push. Over 340% increase in earthquakes. See Dr. Deagle, believersunderground
waterfallearth 1 year ago
The Aluminium Sulfade they are using is upsetting the PH balance of all the soil it comes in contact with and if eaten or drank, it will upset the ph in all life as well. In doing that you will have mass die offs, you will speed cancers and other illnesses and these people on the stage ALL KNOW IT.
clarisd 1 year ago
I fucking hate geoengineering.We are going to fuck up the planet even worse than we already have.If they dont stop this nonsense,i`m going to kill myself.
IwontConform 1 year ago
4real
DonZephy 1 year ago
4real
DonZephy 1 year ago
Just because these guys are wearing suits does not mean they make any sense!!! Ugh!!!
VenusAsABoyFilms 1 year ago
a few days ago both night & day at separate times, 2 different formations of x's occurred. in the day, a criss cross of 6-7 jet streams in one X. in the night, a grid-like pattern with about 6-8 jet streams exactly over my apartment building. about the same time i changed the title on this video. Now, i am experiencing a coincidence & it's hard to connect jet streams to same day symptoms of dry hard cough, mucus, green-yellow phlem, headache, nasal congestion, chest pain, confusion.
lilshook1 1 year ago
What??
0:25-0:38
AlexKalicinski 1 year ago
KenCaldieri is a BIll Gates, H.P. Blavatsky satanic depopulation lackey. I know he will go to hell no doubt about it. I just hope his whole family goes too for not stopping this madman. He lies through his teeth and cares nothing for the regular middle class who can't afford to spend all their money fighting off his biowarfare on us that he hides as "geoengineering". A polite way of saying I AM A GOD>
mondocrat 1 year ago
@mondocrat
Whats wrong with H.P. Blavatsky??
AlexKalicinski 1 year ago
intentional murderers.its been happening for years.
TheRobynhud 1 year ago
intentional murderers.
TheRobynhud 1 year ago
This world has gone mad.
surferpeteinspace 1 year ago
@michalchik I saw your notes on Dilman.
Congratulations! You do have a sense of reality.
Do you know that, while Russia has a hot dry summer, Australia has a very cold winter? Saturday morning they had frost and -3C in Canberra.
When we notice the record high on our hemisphere, we should notice the record lows on the southern hemisphere too.... CO2 is not causing the cold.
judomagyar 1 year ago
And this is exactly the problem with pride. If a small portion of the video does not match your preconceived belief, then you stop watching. This is an astounding fallacy of human nature and completely hinders peoples' ability to learn and think critically.
Your statement about "very cool" is also a straw man. Honestly, if you would overcome your fears and personal bias and simply take the time to listen to climate scientists, you may learn something.
Search climategate.
urlbam - com/ha/4zz
mmem701 1 year ago
Yes, many don't understand the connection between eugenics and climate change, and even though I provided a link explaining it, few will ever view it. Their arrogance and/or fear prevents it.
Related... it's amazing that you question my knowledge of the subject while obviously failing to read the posts you're responding to. How typical.
mmem701 1 year ago
@mmem701 So what do you think eugenics is?
michalchik 1 year ago
@mmem701 Oh also, I watched the first 10 minutes of the video you linked to and the guy is a complete babbling fool. He seems sincere but he does not have to foggiest idea of the basic concepts involved. He can't differentiate between temperature and temperature change. He actually calls outer-space "very cool". He obviously has not read the articles and is basing everything on what he gleans from popular presentations. He is devoid of knowledge about the role of water vapor in models.
michalchik 1 year ago
The climate change claim is nothing more than an attempt to justify eugenics through geoengineering. Just as unwarranted-wiretapping began long before it was publicized (1995, not 2001), eugenics through geoengineering began in the 80's.
urlbam - com/ha/M003m
mmem701 1 year ago
@mmem701 Wiretapping has been going on since the days of a the telegraph 1800's. It was perfected in the 30's. Put into wide spread use by the 40's, and part of J Edgar Hoovers political power for 3 decades. What happened in 2001 is we changed the law so that many people working for the government could do it, they could legally force the cooperation of telecom companies, it could be used as criminal evidence against you, and if they got caught they would never get in trouble.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik No. In the mid 90's they already forced the telecoms to wiretap. This is the way government normally does unpopular things. They do it secretly, then when a good reason/excuse appears (like 911), they make public what they've been doing for years. This same principle applies here. Eugenics has been going on for years. Now they need to justify it in the public eye. Presto: The climate change myth is invented. urlbam - com/ha/4zz
mmem701 1 year ago
@mmem701 Well law enforcement has had access to telephone lines since at least hoover. FISA was passed in the 90's to allow roving wire taps, but required a warrant and was inadmissible evidence without one. Operation carnivore and eschalon were early attempts to have wide spread systematic surveillance, That was during the 80's under Reagan.
As far as eugenics goes, I am not even sure you know what that is, and it has NOTHING to do with climate change. Know your terms b4 you start abusing them
michalchik 1 year ago
Go read Richard Turco on the Nuttiness of Climate Engineering. 2010-6-29
:-)
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar So you accept the evaluation on geoengineering of someone who is sure anthropogenic thermal forcing is real? I thought you thought global warming was something advocated by frauds and fools, yet you are willing to go to this guy as a source, Could it be that you are just picking and choosing bits and pieces of stuff that support the conclusions you want to hear? Or perhaps you are having those bits chosen for you.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
Why do you think, you have to agree on everything with someone to agree with one of their ideas?
I picked Turco, because he is more acceptable to you than Dr. Lindzen, or Svensmark. or Kukkola, or Miskolzci, or....
judomagyar 1 year ago
Actually, you were not responding to me, you were responding to mem701. Apparently you gave up on me when I asked you to produce some evidence beyond anecdotes and hype. No one is more or less acceptable to me. Actual science is what is acceptable to me. Not press releases, testimonials, stock values, catchy slogans, or even logical arguments based on someones "common sense". I want the same reliable scientific method that engineers use to make planes fly, doctors use to cure disease, etc...
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
Proof that Pierce Corbin is right:
Go to weatheractiondotcom and watch the video where Pierce is talking on October 20th 2009 (if I remember right) and he is predicting a cold and snowy winter with very cold periods for England. The British MET office predicted mild or warm winter.
We all know that the last winter in England was cold with cold-snaps and a lot of snow.
How much more proof do you want?
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar How about a controlled systematic study and methodological review like every real scientist in the world has to go through when they make predictions. Psychics have pages and pages of predictions they "got right"?
Hard numbers. How often is he right. How does this compare to chance. What are his tolerances for error. How does he compare to conventional meteorology and climatology over a statistically significant number of trials.
He is only going to put success on his website.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
1) So, Corbyn got lucky?
2) You didnt watch the video on weatheractiondotcom
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, with mathematical certainty from my graduate school training in statistics that there is not enough information provided to determine if he got lucky, unlucky, had average predictive accuracy, misevaluated his success or committed fraud. I read through the PDF's and other evidence and they are unsystematic, uncontrolled and unauditable. I watched the vid, it is full of claims, no data, it is an infomercial. He obviously has a profit motive,
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik Oh, statistical significance...?
The Met office got it wrong in their long term summer forecast for England in 2007, 2008, 2008, 2009, 2010 using their supercomputer that cost the tax payers 7 million Pounds.
Corbyn beat them for the 5th summer forecasting cooler and very wet summers.
Google Steven Goddard: "The Met Office UK summer forecast – Mad Dogs and Englishmen"
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar Learn what a systematic independent controlled study is and show me one. I have heard this kind of crap from people selling berries to cure cancer, astrologers to predict stock values, and dowsers to predict earthquakes. I want science not infomercials and rumors from squealing fans and venal conmen. I asked for a scientific study or at least a physical model from the start and you have given me hearsay, anecdotes, and advertisements. Gullible is not in the dictionary, look it up!
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
Hmmm,
Galileo vs. the Pope
John Harrison vs. the British scientific establishment including Newton and Huygens Alfred Lothar Wegener vs. George Gaylord Simpson Dr. Barry Marshall and Dr. Robin Warren vs. the entire medical establishment.
Corbyn vs. the MET office and the entire AGW scientific-governmental establishment...
I think there is a pattern here. No?
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar No, All, those people put out systematic observations/theories and allowed independent verification of their ideas. This is much more like, the tobacco institute, the asbestos research counsel, the same petroleum companies that brought you "harmless" leaded gasoline, the coal companies that claimed that acid rain was "fertilizer". Galileo did not have billionaire industries behind him and the scientific establishment against him. You are the victim of a slick ad campaign not science
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
@michalchik Corbyn does not have billionaire industries behind him. He sells his forecasts to farmers and commodity traders etc...If they didn't think his forecasts are good they would not pay money. It is the IPCC and the MET office are the ones that are supported by tax money and heavily influenced by politics. None of Corbyn's clients would buy the forecasts of the MET office because they don-t like the track record: 0% Corbyn's accuracy has to do with tobacco or asbestos?
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar I am asking for two simple things that every scientist has to do, a model and a controlled study. As far as you know, Corbyn believes CO2 plays a big role and uses it in his predictions secretly to hide fact that he is just a good conventional meteorologist or maybe he has found another factor on top of CO2 or he could just be a conman that knows how to hide his failures like Bernie Madoff who ripped off ordinary folks and billionaires by the thousands. You don't know; I can't tell.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
Al Gore and Rajendra Kumar Pachauri are like Bernie Madoff.
I am reading real scientists like this:
"Cosmic rays and climate" by Jasper Kirkby
CERN Colloquium, 4 June 2009
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar I don't give a rats butt about Al Gore; I haven't seen his film. He is not doing science, just like Corbyn. Pachauri, summarized scientific findings, but published no original research. Kirby does real science, but I doubt you actually read him. He thinks at least 50% of the warming is due to anthro CO2 and simply raises the possibility that there is a correlation between solar variability, cosmic rays and climate, he has no model. Read him/other scientists, not just those you like.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik "Kirby does real science, but I doubt you actually read him."
I can send you the 44-page PDF I mentioned If you have trouble finding it on the internet. I have open right now and on page 22 Kirkby states: "Mean global temperatures flat over last 8 years. Cause not known but
CO2 increasing, so must be natural forcing." so he knows that CO2 is not the dominant forcing.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar Please do send me the PDF. The reference you sent me was to a colloquium which i watched. It was not actually a peer reviewed published paper. FYI, a colloquium is a lecture.
michalchik 1 year ago
@judomagyar "CO2 increasing, so must be natural forcing." so he knows that CO2 is not the dominant forcing. "
Take statistics! My 80 year old mother's arthritis got better last month, despite the fact that she was older than the month before. So therefore her age is not a dominant factor in her arthritis. Fast short term variations, can buck long term trends . We know that solar output has been unusually low for the last 8 years or so, but it is also the hottest decade on record.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
This PDF makes the case for the need for the CLOUD experiment. It is being run on the proton synchrotron belonging to CERN.
If you can't find it, give me an email address and I send it to you.
Since you want a "controlled independent scientific study."
I assume, you support Kirkby's quest to do the CLOUD experiments without political interference.
By the way, your assumptions about me are grossly inaccurate, but with no good data you can't expect to build a good model of me.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar Well, according to the colloquium I saw, he has already run a cloud chamber experiment and has come up with negative results. He proposes refinements which he is certainly entitled to do, but fails to explain why he thinks those refinements are more realistic or will give different answers. Still, I want to see him try his refinements. Maybe there is a cloud chamber like effect going on in the stratosphere no one will know until the real science is done. A lab model is one part.
michalchik 1 year ago
@judomagyar Secondly, you missed my point. I am not saying that Corbyn is like Madoff, I am saying that the fact that Corbyn claims to have a lot of investors is not evidence for the soundness of his science. People throw money at stupid things ALL THE TIME. Las Vegas is city built on peoples stupidity with money. Nor do testimonials of enthusiastic people count. Nor do advertisements. The mere fact he uses these things as evidence is evidence that he is a huckster with nothing real to show.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
What "investors"?
He sells the long term forecasts. If the forecast is not successful, next time the clients will not buy it. Why is this so difficult for you?
You sound like a lawyer specializing in attacking scientific evidence to confuse the jury. You pretend to misunderstand something in order to win the argument.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar When you understand why people bought Poor Richard's Almanac over and over, gamble over and over, read astrologers year after year, and Uri Geller became rich enough to buy his own island, you will start to understand why Corbyn's CLAIMED success has nothing to do with science. As PT Barnum said, "No one ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the .. public"
I simply want a model and a controlled independent scientific study. Something that every scientist has to do.
michalchik 1 year ago
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@judomagyar I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, with mathematical certainty from my graduate school training in statistics that there is not enough information provided to determine if he got lucky, unlucky, had average predictive accuracy, misevaluated his success or committed fraud. I read through the PDF's and other evidence and they are unsystematic, uncontrolled and unauditable. I watched the vid, it is full of claims, no data, it is an infomercial. He obviously has a profit motive
michalchik 1 year ago
The climate has always been changing, with us trying to do whatever, or with us doing nothing. So save a lot of money and do nothing.
Miskolczi proved that climate sensitivity is 0.333333.... This means a negative feedback and no chance of a runaway greenhouse situation as a result of increasing CO2.
CO2 is life, we would not exist without it.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar And climate change has had devastating effects on life on earth before. Ever heard of the Permian extinction? Just because nature causes disasters does not mean that man can not cause them too or make them worse. Miskolczi is full of it, his calculations assume the atmosphere is in orbit around the earth. He makes several other basic errors too. READ his actually paper, it is a joke, as is the journal it is published in, The Hungarian meteorological association? Get real.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
1) The atmosphere IS orbiting the earth. The period of rotation is 24 hours. Right?
2) You shouldn't be arrogantly dismissing a HUNGARIAN anything. Let me enlighten you. The Manhattan Project and the American A-bomb would not have happened in time if some Hungarians didn't come to the US. Even the Rubik's Cube and the coach (French coche, from obsolete German Kotsche, from Hungarian kocsi) came from Hungarian minds.
Now you know.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar No an orbit is when the centripetal acceleration = the centripetal force/mass. Since PE = force x distance the potential energy term of his equations are completely wrong.
Hungarians are just as smart as anyone else. But Edward Teller did his work in the US. The Hungarian science infrastructure today is barely functional, it is the victim of the collapse of the soviet union. It is third world quality.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik Teller Ede famously said: " If my mother tongue was other than Hungarian, I would have only become a high school teacher."
Balázs Nándor physicist also had a similar opinion.
You see, the agglutinative, fractal nature of the Hungarian language is especially well suited for scientific discussion.
The most important scientific infrastructure is inside your head. This is why Domokos Gábor and Várkonyi Péter discovered the Gömböc.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar Yes, that is all fine, Teller made a witty quip and some languages do lend themselves better to certain types of thinking. Science Nobel prizes HU 2, IT 3, FR 7, GE 11, UK 15, US 87. A good language doesn't do jack when the infrastructure sucks.
Anyway Miskolczi's article fails on its own merits, even if he came from a country of geniuses. I brought up the journal not to deprecate Hungarians but because that is simply a 4th rate journal that you can not count on being rigorous.
michalchik 1 year ago
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar You missed Avram Hershko, Chemistry, 2004. We are talking about the current state of affairs in Hungarian science since the collapse of the east block. That is why i went back 20 years and found 2. You wanna go back though all history India 9, HU12, IT 13, FR 34, Ge ~90, UK~100, US ~300
His journal "Quarterly Journal of the Hungarian Meteorological Services" is not a journal that anyone reads and therefor it is not properly peer reviewed. Which is why it contains basic errors.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik The current state of Hungarian science is: politicized.
Dr. Zagoni was fird from his job when he was asked to evaluate Miskolcvzi's paper and he found that Miskolczi is right. Also, there is no money for anything.
Therefore scientists go to US.
How many Nobel prizes remain if we take ot the foreign born winners?
Just because you don't read some journal it does not mean there are basic errors in it. You are applying logical fallacies again.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar It is in a journal. It is just in a bad journal which means that it did not go through normal peer review. I am not saying Hungarians are stupid, I am saying that their science infrastructure is bad, so they can't support good science or weed out bad science. that is why so many geniuses come to the US, because our science infrastructure is good, and they can do good science here.
michalchik 1 year ago
@judomagyar Let me put this simply. If CO2 greenhouse was self limiting the way Miskolczi seems to think it is. Why is Venus 735 K when it receives about a 1/4 the sunlight of mercury while mercury's average temp is around 300 and absolute max temp is 700.
Not that venus's atmosphere is 95% carbon dioxide. 5% nitrogen (not a good greenhouse gas) and virtually nothing else.
Please explain to me how this can be true if Miskolczi is right?
You hearing what big oil want you to hear.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
Mercury and Venus has no liquid water.
the main idea of Miskolczi: On this planet… Water, in it’s triple forms, is the main climate driver.... and the only thing that has any significant effect on it, is the incoming radiation of the sun.
Highschool students should learn about the Hubbert curve.
The fact, that we have a limited amount of fossil fuel on our planet will not change whether there is or there is not a significant causal relationship between CO2 and global temperature.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar OK, explain to me how adding the greenhouse gas H20 would dampen Venus's greenhouse effect in a way analogous to how you think CO2 is self-limited on the earth.
michalchik 1 year ago
@judomagyar "CO2 is life, we would not exist without it. " Slogans are not a substitute for thought. You can survive fine in a 0% CO2 atmosphere. In fact I have breathed a heleox mixture that had no CO2. Replace just 10% of air with CO2 and you are unconscious, 15% and you are dead. You are not arguing a scientific point here you are a being a little parrot for corrupt politicians and foreign oil billionaires. You can do better than that.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik You are a little short sighted here.
Well you can survive without CO2 for a little while. Then you get hungry and you need to eat. All food ultimately comes from CO2, H2O and sunlight right?
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar Yes, but that is not the point. The point is that the slogan "CO2 is life" implies that more CO2 is good for us and the planet. I was pointing out that too much CO2 is bad for us and the planet. No one is suggesting we get rid of CO2, in fact that would be impossible. We are just suggesting that some of the extra CO2 we put in the atmosphere through burning geological carbon, is causing serious harm and creating circumstances that may lead to a disaster.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik ".....may lead to a disaster. "
MAY. No proof, only popular emotional appeal.
I do not see the famous correlation (on a few decade long interval) between CO2 concentration and global temperatures. On the other hand there is and extremely good correlation between what the sun and the galactic cosmic radiation is doing versus extreme weather event and changes in the climate on the few-decades-scale. See Shaviv, Svensmark
The correct way to respond to a non problem is to do nothing.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar May lead to disaster I mean the collapse of our civilization. Lower end of likely scenarios are a drag of hundreds of billions of dollars a year from storm damage, transport disruption, crop failures, depletion of fisheries, spread of tropical diseases, additional energy costs for heating and cooling, loss of genetic diversity. If you think the science of GCC is based on emotional appeal you apparently have not read any of the scientific research and don't take truth seriously.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
There is nothing we should do regarding CO2. with increasing CO2 concentration it has less and less effect on global temperature.
Ironically when we managed to do something, filtering out the SO2 from coal burning had the effect of heating the atmosphere. Right?
By the way the dominant greenhouse gas is H2O not CO2.
GCC will happen regardless of what we do. It did happen before humans appeared in Africa and will happen after we will have disappeared.
Save our tax money.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar "There is nothing we should do regarding CO2. with increasing CO2 concentration it has less and less effect on global temperature."
You base that opinion on one discredited paper that you don't even understand. I have seen climatological models and physical evidence that supports them that I mostly understand. I would much rather base my opinion on science than your palpable ignorance and wishful thinking. READ the actual main papers in top notch journals.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik "climatological models do a lot of things, depending what the initial conditions are, which are set by the programmers.
I was convinced by Shaviv, Svensmark, Lindzen, Roy Spencer, Dr.Bill Carter, Pierce Corbyn, etc...
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar Climatological models do do many things depending on initial conditions which is why they are run against historical record and try a range of plausible initial conditions that are double checked by competitors. What model parameters are you concerned about?
If you trust these people, pick one of them and tell me what you think his work proves is and why you trust it more than 99% of the scientific community? Then lets go through his work and his critics.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik Anyone can tweak a program to fit the historical data.
What is the track record of these models of predicting anything for ten 20 years into the future? Miserable.
"More than 99%"... bull!
judomagyar 1 year ago
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@judomagyar "What is the track record of these models of predicting anything for ten 20 years into the future? Miserable.
"More than 99%"... bull! "
Your evidence for this assertion is what?
michalchik 1 year ago
@judomagyar The source code for the programs is publically avaiable and anyone can audit it and run it. The source code is not written to produce and output, it is written to match the model. If its results match the historic record, then the model is a good one and can be used to predict future averages.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik . "publically avilable"?
The Climate Research Unit of The University of East Anglia didn’t want to release their data or code, and they particularly weren’t interested in releasing any intermediate steps that would help someone else
They had successfully managed to restrict peer review to what we might call the “RealClimate clique” — the small group of true believers they knew could be trusted to say the right things.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar They released their data and code even though the request was from laymen. Then when the laymen were to lazy or stupid to learn what it all meant they asked for them to walk them through every step. Sorry, the data is publicly available, if you are too stupid or lazy to understand it, that is NOT the scientists fault. They can't spend their lives giving every a-hole years worth of private lessons in math, CS and physics.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik Corbyn asked for the data from the Climate Research Unit of The University of East Anglia. Corbyn is an astrophysicist by training. Not a layman.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar Well we may be familiar with different incidences. So why did he need them to take him through source code then? Does he not know you to read code? If not he either needs to study or collaborate with someone who does.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik "why did he need them to take him through source code"
Well, I do make my living by writing functioning software. I can tell you that reading someone else's code can be a real nightmare. The author walking you through the code is much much much faster that sitting down alone and trying to figure it out.
I didn't even mention that, one needs to be familiar with the particular language the code was written in. There were 4,660 files, including documents, raw data and computer code.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar Yes, and i have written code professionally also, though I admit I am not very good at it. Nevertheless, I have struggled through other peoples code, and I have never considered it other peoples job to abandon their projects to get me up to speed. It is that much worse when some stranger not affiliated with your institution, the government, and accredited institution just says, hand over you project, explain everything to me, because I want to accuse you of fraud. It is just lazy.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik I pick Pierce Corbyn
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar Fine what scientific paper do you want to start with by Pierce Corbyn? How does its mechanisms differ from current models? What evidence is there that it mechanisms are correct?
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
Corbyn specializes in long term weather forecasts, and he is 80-90 percent right for years snow and the British MET office have been wrong.
Is that coincidence?
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar I asked for a scientific paper that descibes his theory and how it differs from current theories, and shows actually data that support the idea that his model is more correct. I did not ask you for a bunch of unsupported claims about how awesome he is and how he agrees with you. Cite real sources that show real data and specific mechanistic models. I am not asking for your opinion about how awesome some guy is. I am asking for science, hard data, facts, calculation, etc...
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik
Data and direct observation is always better than some theoretical blah-blah.
Go to weatheractiondotcom and click on forecast archive. You can do the same at the British MET office's archive. Then you can actually look at what really happened.
For example, the MET office predicted a mild winter in England for 2009-2010 Corbyn predicted extreme weather, cold, snow and flooding.
AGW theoretical discussions are like theologians arguing about the smell of fart in heaven. :-)
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar "Data and direct observation is always better than some theoretical blah-blah." That is like saying the tires on the left side of the car are more important that the right side. Data is absolutely necessary to test models, but the models are necessary to make predictions. Yesterday's weather does not tell me what next weeks will be unless I have tested mechanism to get from yesterday to next week.
You have neither provided data nor mechanism, just anecdotes about weather.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik "just anecdotes about weather."
Tell the English tat suffered through the cold an huge amount of snow last winter. They were there. It is a documented fact. Millions of people can verify what the actual weather was.
Here is a good climate model: it has not been touched for the last ten years and ten years ago it made predictions that came to tuition in the last ten years.
None of them did that.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar You don't seem to know what an anecdote is. An anecdote is not a trivial account or one of dubious credibility, it is a single or small number of accounts not gathered in a systematic way quantifiable way. People pay attention to unusual events and this usually severely biases the interpretation of events. Unless there is a way of systemically counting the misses and comparing them to alternative methodology, this story you tell is as worthless as astrology.
michalchik 1 year ago
@judomagyar If you want to use Corbyn's track record you need to show me a systematic survey of ALL his prediction and statistically show they are more accurate than climate scientists then show me how he made those predictions and why those models show that anthropogenic CO2 is not important. That is exactly the minimum standard every scientist has to go through when he proposes a new idea and that is why science works. "Psychics" can make themselves look good through cherry picking and lies.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik "anthropogenic CO2 is not important"
We have 0.036% CO2 in the atmosphere. There can be 0-4% H2O in the atmosphere. H2O has a practically unlimited supply in the oceans.
So isn't it logical that, if we have 100 times more H2O in the air it has 100 times more effect than the little bit of CO2?
Cap and trade is another wall-street invention, they are creating an artificial currency: CO2. Ingenious. Bankers win again.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar No it is not logical, CO2 closes off another part of the IR spectrum from H20. If H20 was not there, a small change in CO2 would not make much difference, but the spectral window that CO2 covers is one of the few remaining ones open. In fact CO2 does a much better job covering the portion of the black body spectrum associated with the earths current temperature. Further, raising the temperature increases the release of CO2, H20 and methane from land and sea.
michalchik 1 year ago
@judomagyar So I have been to the website and this is the only independently verifiable scientific review I could find. "A verification of UK gale forecasts by the ‘solar weather technique’: October 1995–September 1997" Which talks about the technique he claims to use, but doesn't mention him and concludes that in that two year period the solar technique could predict wind gusts at above chance level. This is a far cry from a revolutionary climate model . Do you know of anything stronger?
michalchik 1 year ago
@judomagyar "By the way the dominant greenhouse gas is H2O not CO2."
And every climatologist in the world knows that and it is part of the calculation. Water is near saturation as a green house gas and CO2 operates in a different part of the spectrum. As CO2 drives up temperature in parts of the atmosphere that are not near H2O IR saturation (like the poles) the heating will amplify the problem there. And no, albedo rise from cloud cover won't help. Clouds scatter IR too.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik "albedo rise from cloud cover won't help"
Jeez, everyone lacks common sense?
I am pretty sure, I am not the only one who feels cooler when the clouds cover the sky. Could it be because the clouds reflect a lot of the incoming radiation? My dog know to get in the shade if he wants to cool down. I GUESS HE IS TOO STUPID TO KNOW THAT THE ALBEDO RISE FROM THE CLOUD COVER DOESN'T HELP.
Stupid dog.
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar Gee, how do clouds form (cold front pushes up hot air). Did you ever pass high-school earth science? Ever been in a monsoon? Ever been in the dessert at night. Do you know what factors weathermen look at predict temperature the next day? Yes, SURFACE temperatures during the DAY are higher on clear days. That is because of heat conversion at ground level. The atmosphere is more than a few feet thick in case you have not noticed. Clouds trap heat as well as block sunlight.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik We did not have highschool earth science.
By twelfth grade, we had 6 years of Chemistry, 8 years of math, 7 years of Physics, 8 years of Geology(and earth science), 8 years of Biology, 4 years of physical chemistry.
By the way, clouds do transfer heat from the surface to the higher atmosphere. Did you ever hear about showers, and Hurricanes, and Tornadoes?
judomagyar 1 year ago
@judomagyar "By the way, clouds do transfer heat from the surface to the higher atmosphere. Did you ever hear about showers, and Hurricanes, and Tornadoes? "
No evaporation, condensation, and convection current drive those things, not clouds. Clouds are a product of condensation which releases heat, cloud so not transfer heat. You really won't understand this until you stop thinking in vague fuzzy terms and learn the actual thermodynamic mechanisms.
michalchik 1 year ago
what a crock of shit
dtmbcorp 1 year ago
Bunch of assholes have nearly destroyed this planet with their chemtrail bullshit, i've seen them dry up thunder clouds, creating droughts and really hot temps. When they spray that bullshit into the sky everyday for weeks we start to have all kinds of health alerts about particulate matter, ozone, and other shit. It gets so bad that people begin to die then they stop for a couple of days and the air is kinda normal until they start spraying again.
MuammarAlGathafi 1 year ago
@MuammarAlGathafi
Don't you find some kind of a contradiction here? The fact that you use youtube means you dont have a cave for a home, and fire for heat. If you have a computer, then YOU are spraying "that bullshit" into the atmosphere every day. And that, my friend, is why people like Ken think we need to spray something else, only to counteract YOUR influence.
Become a caveman, and then tell me it's wrong to spray stuff into the atmosphere.
nishantstanford 1 year ago
@MuammarAlGathafi You have seen them dry up thunderclouds? How exactly di you see "THEM" and how do you know that this thunder cloud did not disperse because of atmospheric solar heating and a warm dry front moving through?
If you live in your imagination you are going to make bad decisions and say stupid things.
michalchik 1 year ago
@michalchik Keep talking out your ass, it smells good and is beneficial to the plants.
MuammarAlGathafi 1 year ago
@MuammarAlGathafi No wonder you swallow so much bullshit, you like the smell of ass.
michalchik 1 year ago
Pumping sulfur in the air just seems like a bad idea all the way around.
OGjimbo 1 year ago
Too late, they been doing it since the 1990's my friend.
aGlobalWarmingHOAX 1 year ago
Uh, I don't really care what decade you do it in, whether it's the 1920's or the 1980's, it's still sounds like a terrible fucking thing to do.
OGjimbo 1 year ago
@OGjimbo It really seems to be a matter of how much and where you put it, but caution is certainly warranted. Unfortunately we may be running out of time and options. Because of our reckless behavior we may have to do this and other risky things to save ourselves. I don't know the right answer.
michalchik 1 year ago
heard of this in superfreakonomics
ke422azn 1 year ago
na we are already fucked its over...
cireyar 1 year ago 2
Sulfur emissions into the lower atmosphere lowers the temperature. Am I the only one who's hearing this for the first time?
Mastikator 1 year ago 2
they are confirming the use of chemtrails. Thats is the cause of acid rain, dont spray anymore, how do you know that if you dont do it the earth will heat up? Pollution we should clean up, did you hear about climate gate and how this science is basically wrong, and the real cause of heat is this geo engineering chemtrais, now they want to perpetuate them, and yes it is liable in criminal law with intent to depopulate and make people sick and dependent of big government through taxes.
dddiegopan 1 year ago
Humanity has always played God.
There never was such a thing as God before humans made him up and since that first day, humans have been playing God ever since.
Thank God we are playing Him too since it's quite apparent that nobody else is.
And as to the crackpots who are still harping on about HAARP, you are one of the silliest and least thoughtful group of conspiracy theorists ever. You honestly believe the military is using HAARP to create earthquakes in already seismically active zones
zutroy1 1 year ago
how can we play somemthing thats not reeeel? god is a delusion...says so inna book...
petrino 1 year ago
So by cleaning up the air we remove sulfur which then increases the warming effect of the CO2 thereby making it necessary to clean the atmosphere even more causing earth temperature to increase until an equilibrium is achieved?
With this acceleration in the temperature increase what if equilibrium is not achieved or achieved to late. Could the unintended consequences of a failed rescue attempt be an acceleration to oblivion?
gsuitter 1 year ago
*5 stars for epic cliff notes*
SocialistReign 1 year ago
why not talk about King Corn? google that video can be found on google video section ...enjoy and hold on to your seats
lllraverslll 1 year ago
So what do we do now then?
C'mon scientists! Stop frackin' arguing and come to a consensus already!
SocialistReign 1 year ago
@SocialistReign
Frack LOL *biting lip*
Just go to TV shack and watch them already!
SocialDemocracyFTW 1 year ago
its "...THE WORLD IS THINKING..." NOT "..WOLD IS THINKING.."
Nihawmah 1 year ago
just leave it alone, people don't know enough to judge how much is beneficial versus detrimental
LeGioNoFZioN 1 year ago
I wonder if Fora tv will address the geoengineering that is 'intentionally' caused? Such as chemtrail's and HAARP... The men in this video address 'un-intentional' geoengineering by man, why not discuss the 'intentional' geoengineering that is occurring?
2222554 1 year ago
yep yep why not discuss the 'intentional' geoengineering?????
lllraverslll 1 year ago
@2222554 you're an idiot, by chemtrails I think you are referring to contrails or condensation trails. Oh, and HAARP, gimme a fucking break. I doubt that Fora TV will ever discuss either of those subjects.
mikejohncooper 1 year ago
It sounds like he says "humidity is playing god" lol
buckfushes 1 year ago