Lee Pace! Yes! This movie cannot sound any better to me. (Obviously I'm excited about alot of other cast members, but I had not idea lee pace was doing this! Love him to bits!)
@SuperAirborne82 : Tom Bombadil is a Tolkien character that first appeared in a poem published several years before "The Hobbit" and over 20 years prior to publication of LOTR. He doesn't appear in "The Hobbit" at all, but does get a couple of chapters in LOTR. His part was cut from the LOTR movies, and I don't see how he'd be in the "Hobbit" movies. Tolkien never explained exactly who or what he is. Probably easiest if you just look up the Wiki article on him.
@SuperAirborne82 Man c'mon read the books TB is in LOTR when the hobbits left for Rivendell, ended being captured by old man willow and saved by TB. Which I think Jackson screwed up my not including him in the Movie cause he of course is the only character that the ring had no power over. Not in The Hobbit!
I loved the LOTR books, and I don't know how I could have missed TB....man, I am getting old...my eyes are going. I guess I need to sit down and re-read the whole thing! Thanks for the info.
I mean he's from Mirkwood, right? So maybe when the dwarves & bilbo go visit elves in the woods it's Legolas' woods...? That's the only way I can figure that they worked Legolas in there.
@chloekakariko Legolas is the son of King Thranduil who is the king of the Woodland Realm or the Greenwood or Mirkwood as it became known when the shadow returned. So Legolas being worked into this film is not hard at all.
@r2d2rx : Sure he does ... the elven kingdom of northern Mirkwood that plays such a key role in the latter portions of "The Hobbit" is ruled by Legolas' father. Given his status and skills as a warrior, he would have been very much involved; his involvement is actually confirmed in LOTR.
@drdaveoldguy lets see if the storyline he is involved in is coherent to the books. I just dont like invented add-ons like Arwen invoking the river-flood in LOTR 1.
@r2d2rx With a book as short as the Hobbit, if you're going to split it into two movies, there will HAVE to be add-ons. Rather add something small (like some dialogue from Legolas) than leave out something huge (like Tom Bombadil).
@kwhyland Bombadil was left out of LOTR by Jackson which is a disgrace cause I thought he might have been one of the most important characters in the whole book knowing the ring had no power over him. Why mention him in The Hobbit and of course Jackson included Legolas cause Bloom is a popular actor.
@nat00ben06 : Actually, Bombadil was left out of the LOTR movies because he was not at all important to the plot of the story ... a fact reflected in the books in discussions about him at the Council of Elrond. Given the practical need to cut portions to end up with a movie of reasonable length, his part was one of the most obvious. As for Legolas, he is in "The Hobbit" because Bloom is popular, but also because Legolas was (according to LOTR) involved in events in "The Hobbit."
@drdaveoldguy i don't remember legolas being in the hobbit, think he's only involved as a cameo because there's a lot set in mirkwood where he's the prince so it makes sense for him to be there, unless he was out researching trees like he set out to do at the end of 'return of the king' lol
@jellybumfruitcakes: Yeah, he's not actually mentioned in "The Hobbit," but his involvement in the imprisonment of the dwarves is mentioned in "Fellowship of the Ring" and, just more generally, as a warrior prince of the Elven kingdom that is so important in the latter half of the story (esp. Battle of Five Armies), I think it makes sense that it will be more than just a cameo. I also know he's already shot some scenes, and will be shooting more in the coming year.
@drdaveoldguy i think it s a pity the hobbit gets 2 movies and Lotr only had 3. Lotr had so much more details - for example my favorite character Tom Bombadil never appeared.
Of course, it's mentioned in The Two Towers extended scene that Legolas is an elf-prince.
(However it's not mentioned why he's there at all, since originally it was to tell that Gollum had escaped-- but this conveniently escaped mention in the film).
So much amazing British talent, Martin Freeman, Benedict Cumberbatch, Andy Serkis, Richard Armitage, Stephen Fry, Aidan Turner, the list goes on. This is going to be one heck of a film!!
@MsChocolateisYUMMY : The White Council is in "The Hobbit" and Saruman is the head of the White Council. They are pulling in details of White Council activities during the events of "The Hobbit" from other Tolkien writings.
Richard Armitage, (Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch FTW Sherlock), Elijah Wood, and many others= awsome people and very good actors :3 gotta love them ^.^
Azog is from RotK Appendix A concerning Durin's Folk; he fights the armies of Dwarves under Thorin's father, Thráin, outside of Moria during the battle; Dain Ironfoot kills Azog, but the Dwarves can't enter Moria because of the balrog.
Azog's son, Bolg, leads the Goblin-army to Erebor in The Hobbit.
My guess is to burn time and to create merchandise, as well as the fact that Peter Jackson is whipped like when he made Arwen center-stage. However there were many unnamed Elves and Elf-maidens in the book both in Rivendell and Mirkwood,
@CitizenOfMinasTirith not true ... at least as far as I remember the crossing from Valinor didn't occur more than thousand years ago, and I don't recall a mention of Legolas in the stories of the fall of Numenor, as well as all of Sillmarillion for that matter so there is no way Legolas is that old. He is a child of the Third Age ...
@monkey0in0a0cage : First, the crossing of the Noldor from Valinor occurred about 600 years prior to the end of the FIRST age; add that to the lengths of the Second and Third ages and the crossing was 7000 years prior to LOTR. Also, many elves never went to Valinor in the first place ... like the Sindar. And Legoas was Sindar, not Noldor. Elrond (age 6500) and Arwen (age 2780) were both born after the crossing. Legolas almost certainly was thousands of years old.
@drdaveoldguy From the Hobbit: "The feasting people were Wood-elves, of course. ... They differed from the High Elves of the West, and were more dangerous and less wise. For most of them (together with their scattered relations in the hills and mountains) were descended from the ancient tribes that never went to Faerie in the West."
@monkey0in0a0cage : And BTW, Legolas' involvement in the events in LOTR took place in the years 3018-3019 of the Third Age, so even if he was strictly a child of the Third Age, he still could have been thousands of years old.
The Hobbit expressly states that the Wood-Elves "never went to Faerie" (Valinor), and likewise that crossing back happened 6282 years before the events in The Hobbit.
. Most likely Legolas was born after Thranduil had settled in Mirkwood, presumably in the latter part of the Second Age; this would make him somewhere between 3,000 and 5,500 years old.
@Alaskangirl11 No, he was not. Neither Galadriel nor Saruman, as far as I can remember from the book. Radagast is just mentioned by Gandalf. By the way, I don't remember either anybody called Tauriel. Please correct if I am wrong, or I am missing something. Greetings!
@Shakamuni Ur right I think its a little messed up unless they r going to have like flash forwards or something, mean I kno that why Frodo is in there, but how would Legolas would play into the hobbit.
@Alaskangirl11 Of course, Frodo and Old Bilbo are just -so to say- as a way to introduce the audience in the main story, from my point of view of course! Greetings!
Legolas would be needed to help with Thranduil's army. All the Elves of Mirkwood were there IIRC.
Bilbo never told the complete story since he didn't want to admit he had the Ring-- or that he stole it, just like Gollum didn't want to admit that he killed his cousin for it, so they both made up stories to cover their guilt and claim proper ownership of it; he originally said that Gollum gave him the Ring!
So Frodo wouldn't learn the true story until much later.
@Shakamuni : The Elven kingdom of northern Mirkwood that plays such a key role in the latter half of the story was ruled by Legolas' father. Even though he's not mentioned by name, given his status and warrior skills, he would have been involved; that is confirmed in LOTR. As for his age, I'm not sure it's known, but for comparison, Arwen was about 2700 years old at the time of LOTR. So the 77 year difference between "Hobbit" and LOTR is not an issue when it comes to elves.
@Shakamuni : As for Galadriel, Saruman, and Radagast, they were all members of the White Council, which actually IS mentioned in "The Hobbit." It's clear they're drawing on other Tolkien material on their activities during the time of Bilbo's adventures in "The Hobbit." As for Tauriel, she's a new character created for the movie, probably to give people (and women in particular) somebody to identify with in scenes where familiar characters are scarce (e.g. Battle of 5 Armies).
@drdaveoldguy Thanks for your answer! I remember that Gandalf left Bilbo and the 13 dwarves by their own after their staying at Beorn's home. And I supposed that is for attending The White Council (but I have to confess that I don't remember where it is carried out and who were the participants). Gonna find out (actually to refresh my memory) by searching on the web (searching in LOTR's books would be slower!). Greetings!
The White Council drove Sauron out of his fortress of Dol Guldur in Southern Mirkwood-- or seemed to; in reality, it was simply a trick by Sauron to return to Mordor, where the Nazgul had been busy rebuilding Barad-Dur for his return.
The real fun trick, however, will be seeing how a red electric eyeball can flee ROTFLMAO
For anyone wondering why they cast a pretty woman as a goblin: The goblins are supposed to be slim, hence why they cast slim females. They did the same with the orcs in LOTR. A majority of them were played by females.
Woohoo. Go on Richard Armitage. Finally the wider world will get to see the talent the rest of us recognised since 2004 and BBC's North and South. You'll be brilliant and you so deserve this.
@Mbadly : Yes and no. He wasn't mentioned by name. But the elven kingdom of northern Mirkwood that plays such an important role in the latter half of the story was ruled by Legolas' father. Given his status and his warrior skills, there's no doubt that he was involved ... there is actually reference made to his involvement in "LOTR:Fellowship" during the Council of Elrond. (In the book, at least.)
@Mbadly legolas was not in the book by name, he is the son of the woodland king who captures and imprisons the dwarves. My guess is he'll just have a cameo serving his father or something like that. That's why he and gimli are sour towards each other at the beginning of fellowship. I don't think he'll have much of a speaking role, his presence just adds depth to the film and connects the hobbit movies to the lotr movies.
@kittycrazy531 : Just my opinion, but I think he'll be quite involved in the Battle of the Five Armies. He's a skilled warrior and it would make sense for him to be involved in the battle. Also, the dwarves are barricaded in the mountain for most of the war, mostly leaving Bard, Dain, and the Elven King -- who we barely know -- and the only known characters fighting. Legolas would make for a much-needed familiar face. I think that's why Tauriel was created, too.
How the heck can Aragorn be 87 in LOTR??? He looks like he is 30 or something. Anyone explain??? And also i am pretty sure 60 years passed between The Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Ring, it said so in the movie, but i don't know what it said in book...
@Platypus4001 : Aragorn has a few distant ancestors that were elves. (He actually is descended from Elrond's brother, Elros, who was the first Numenorian king. Elros chose a mortal life, though he ... and his descendants ... were granted much longer lives than normal humans.) And LOTR begins 60 years after "Hobbit," but ends 20 years later (so 80 years after "Hobbit"). Most of LOTR took place 77 years after "Hobbit."
@Platypus4001 : Just a p.s. ... the beginning of LOTR features Bilbo's 111th b'day (and Frodo's 33rd). When Frodo and Sam and the others leave the Shire on the quest to destroy the ring, it's right around the time of Frodo's 50th b'day. And three years later, when Frodo and Bilbo are heading to the Grey Havens to sail into the west, it's Bilbo's 131st b'day. I.e., there are 17 years between Bilbo and Frodo's respective departures from the Shire. The movie glosses over that.
@drdaveoldguy : Whoa, that was very unexpected. So you mean that when Gandalf (in the movie) says "Keep it secret, keep it safe.", and leaves, 17 years pass untill he returns?
@Platypus4001 : Actually, yeah ... at least almost that much. (There's also some number of months between when Gandalf leaves to consult with Saruman and when Frodo leaves the Shire.) Even the book only devotes about a paragraph to the bulk of that period ... because from Frodo's perspective not much happened. Gandalf checked in on him every year or two for a while, then he was gone (e.g. looking for Gollum w/ Aragorn) for something like 9 years. Frodo basically hung out.
@Platypus4001 : BTW - just to bend your mind some more, at the time of "The Hobbit" Aragorn was 10 years old, and Arwen was about 2700 years old. Major May-December romance in the making. (Though they didn't actually meet until Aragorn was 20 ... and he aged very slowly after that up until she decided to take on a mortal life ... so not so weird in the end.)
I can understand why Peter Jackson has Legolas, Saruman, and Frodo in the movie!!!
In the trailer, it has Bilbo telling FRODO the story of how he got THE RING.
Legolas might as well be in the movie since Elves are Immortal beings, and his father is Thranduil, King of Mirkwood.
Saruman is in the movie because later on, Gandalf leaves the Dwarves and Hobbit to meet with the White Council to discuss Dol Guldur and the Necromancer.
@arthasman123 : OK Rings uber-fan. A quiz, just out of curiosity ... on two points many Rings fans posting here seem to get wrong. First, when Bilbo and the dwarves visit Rivendell near the start of "The Hobbit," has Aragorn been born yet and, if so, how old is he? Second, how many years elapse between the events in "The Hobbit" and Frodo's departure from the Shire on his quest to destroy the ring in "LOTR: Fellowship"?
@drdaveoldguy I think Aragorn has been born, and most likely already an adult. He is, after all, a Numenorean, with a longer life-span than an average joe. I think Aragorn is about a century old by the time of the events of the Lord of the Rings. As for the distance of time between the Hobbit and LOTR, I think it's over 50 years.
@MrColuber : Mostly close .. Aragorn is 87 at the time of his involvement in LOTR, and his involvement in LOTR takes place 77 years after the events in "The Hobbit." He was 10 years old at the time of "The Hobbit" ... living in Rivendell with his widowed mother. Elrond was basically is foster father at the time.
Awesome! For some reason I'm really happy Radagast will show up on the movie, I don't rmember if he did show in the book (must reread it), but anyway it's really cool they're showing more of the background story
ARAGORN WILL NOT SHOW UP in this movie, not even as a little kid. The Hobbit was set 60 years before The Fellowship of the Ring. This is like 30 years before he was even born!
@Platypus4001 : Actually, Aragorn was 87 at the time of his involvement in LOTR, and his involvement took place 77 years after the events of "The Hobbit." He was a 10-year-old boy living at Rivendell with his widowed mother at the time of "The Hobbit." Elrond was basically his foster-father. Simplest way to confirm is to look at the chronology in the RotK appendices. And Radagast is another one of the wizards.
@Platypus4001 When the events of The Fellowship of the Ring occur Aragorn is 87 years old, so technically he could show up in The Hobbit, although it is relatively unlikely.
@vanh0ek The trailer indicates that the story will be framed in the context of Old Bilbo telling it to Frodo, so that's probably (hopefully) when Legolas and them come in. There must also be quite a few flashbacks or things like that, because you never directly meet Thror, Thrain, or Radagast along the way either.
@vanh0ek : They are framing the whole movie as an older Bilbo telling Frodo the story. As for the others, Jackson is drawing on other Tolkien material to expand on parts of the story, and throw in flashbacks to set context. E.g. White Council activities (Galadriel, Saruman, Radagast). And the fact that the elven kingdom of northern Mirkwood was ruled by Legolas' father ... so he clearly would have been present and involved (confirmed in "Fellowship").
@CitizenOfMinasTirith : Actually, the shards of Narsil were brought to Rivendell by Isildur's squire nearly 3000 years prior to the events in "The Hobbit." And while Aragorn was living at Rivendell at the time of Bilbo's visit, he was only 10 years old at that point. So Jackson could slip in an appearance of Aragorn just for fun ... a dark-haired human kid wandering through a Rivendell scene ... but it couldn't be the Viggo M. version of the character that people love.
But Jackson messed with the timeline so much in LotR, compressing everything in time and space by a factor of about 10:1 (like riding from Orthanc to Minas Tirith non-stop in a few hours), that he can't be expected to adhere to the timeline in the book.
@CitizenOfMinasTirith : There's nothing to suggest Jackson messed with the timeline, compressed it by 10:1 (or compressed it at all), or shortened the trip from Orthanc to Minas Tirith to a few hours. Jackson barely called out the timeline at all ... he just showed events as they happened without attaching them to a timeline. But when he did reference the timeline ... Aragorn's age, the passage of time between "Hobbit" and FotR, etc. ... he adhered closely to the books.
@drdaveoldguy "There's nothing to suggest Jackson messed with the timeline, compressed it by 10:1 (or compressed it at all), or shortened the trip from Orthanc to Minas Tirith to a few hours."
Just the movie, where rides non-stop from Orthanc to Minas Tirith, when in the book it took over three days with stops at night in various houses. Also Saruman converts Isengard in a few days, vs. years. Gandalf disappears for years in the book, in the movie it's months at most.
just to let you know thats the wrong picture for stephen hunter, that picture is stephen hunter the author, not the actor whose really playing bombur
kjfg92 2 days ago
Its a bit odd that renee cataldo is credited as goblin among the core cast?! - she's just an extra along with thousands of others. hahaha
jurorno3 1 week ago
Lee Pace! Yes! This movie cannot sound any better to me. (Obviously I'm excited about alot of other cast members, but I had not idea lee pace was doing this! Love him to bits!)
belladonnamay 1 week ago
i'm so fucking excited for this movie!
WhateverrMann 2 weeks ago
HEY HEY it's Billy Connolly has joined the cast!! thumbs up!
DJGOODLOOKING 3 weeks ago
Thumbs of for Evangeline Lilly from Lost! (Kate Austin)
TheForeverLight1 1 month ago
is it me or the cast of the hobbit is even bigger than the total cast of the lord of the ring
SuperAiden007 1 month ago
The film looks great. Can't wait to see Barry Humphries.
astrolaw 1 month ago
I got goosebumps watching this. I can't wait for this coming December. Thank you for uploading.
MustardSeedish 1 month ago
Thank you so much, drdaveoldguy, for the information on Tom Bombadil. I will take your advice and search Wiki.
SuperAirborne82 1 month ago
Does anyone know anything about Tom Bombadil? Who was he? and where was he in The Hobbit? Does anyone know if he will be in the movie?
SuperAirborne82 1 month ago
@SuperAirborne82 : Tom Bombadil is a Tolkien character that first appeared in a poem published several years before "The Hobbit" and over 20 years prior to publication of LOTR. He doesn't appear in "The Hobbit" at all, but does get a couple of chapters in LOTR. His part was cut from the LOTR movies, and I don't see how he'd be in the "Hobbit" movies. Tolkien never explained exactly who or what he is. Probably easiest if you just look up the Wiki article on him.
drdaveoldguy 1 month ago
@SuperAirborne82 Man c'mon read the books TB is in LOTR when the hobbits left for Rivendell, ended being captured by old man willow and saved by TB. Which I think Jackson screwed up my not including him in the Movie cause he of course is the only character that the ring had no power over. Not in The Hobbit!
nat00ben06 1 month ago
@nat00ben06
I loved the LOTR books, and I don't know how I could have missed TB....man, I am getting old...my eyes are going. I guess I need to sit down and re-read the whole thing! Thanks for the info.
SuperAirborne82 1 month ago
I didn't imagine Bombur to look like THAT.
Emberlituh 1 month ago
1:55 but...HAAAAAOOOOOOOW.
0BustyStClaire0 1 month ago
Renee Cataldo as Goblin, what the hell ? :)
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melthompsoniii 1 month ago
Cool. Azog is in this. Maybe they'll do a full flashback of the Battle of Azanulbizar.
KneelB4Bacon 1 month ago
Nice to see such a large Kiwi cast!
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CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago
Erg, why is Legolas in there?
I mean he's from Mirkwood, right? So maybe when the dwarves & bilbo go visit elves in the woods it's Legolas' woods...? That's the only way I can figure that they worked Legolas in there.
chloekakariko 1 month ago
@chloekakariko Legolas is the son of King Thranduil who is the king of the Woodland Realm or the Greenwood or Mirkwood as it became known when the shadow returned. So Legolas being worked into this film is not hard at all.
jesseholt1 1 month ago
@jesseholt1
Yes, but Legolas hated caves, so it would be hard if he's in King Thranduil's halls.
CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago
PISS OFF ORLANDO BLOOM YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO THERE
r2d2rx 1 month ago
@r2d2rx : Sure he does ... the elven kingdom of northern Mirkwood that plays such a key role in the latter portions of "The Hobbit" is ruled by Legolas' father. Given his status and skills as a warrior, he would have been very much involved; his involvement is actually confirmed in LOTR.
drdaveoldguy 1 month ago 2
@drdaveoldguy oh sweet, that's what i was just speculating about. :0
thanks! <3
chloekakariko 1 month ago
@drdaveoldguy lets see if the storyline he is involved in is coherent to the books. I just dont like invented add-ons like Arwen invoking the river-flood in LOTR 1.
r2d2rx 1 month ago
@r2d2rx With a book as short as the Hobbit, if you're going to split it into two movies, there will HAVE to be add-ons. Rather add something small (like some dialogue from Legolas) than leave out something huge (like Tom Bombadil).
kwhyland 1 month ago
@kwhyland Bombadil was left out of LOTR by Jackson which is a disgrace cause I thought he might have been one of the most important characters in the whole book knowing the ring had no power over him. Why mention him in The Hobbit and of course Jackson included Legolas cause Bloom is a popular actor.
nat00ben06 1 month ago
@nat00ben06 : Actually, Bombadil was left out of the LOTR movies because he was not at all important to the plot of the story ... a fact reflected in the books in discussions about him at the Council of Elrond. Given the practical need to cut portions to end up with a movie of reasonable length, his part was one of the most obvious. As for Legolas, he is in "The Hobbit" because Bloom is popular, but also because Legolas was (according to LOTR) involved in events in "The Hobbit."
drdaveoldguy 1 month ago
@drdaveoldguy i don't remember legolas being in the hobbit, think he's only involved as a cameo because there's a lot set in mirkwood where he's the prince so it makes sense for him to be there, unless he was out researching trees like he set out to do at the end of 'return of the king' lol
jellybumfruitcakes 1 week ago
@jellybumfruitcakes: Yeah, he's not actually mentioned in "The Hobbit," but his involvement in the imprisonment of the dwarves is mentioned in "Fellowship of the Ring" and, just more generally, as a warrior prince of the Elven kingdom that is so important in the latter half of the story (esp. Battle of Five Armies), I think it makes sense that it will be more than just a cameo. I also know he's already shot some scenes, and will be shooting more in the coming year.
drdaveoldguy 1 week ago
@drdaveoldguy i think it s a pity the hobbit gets 2 movies and Lotr only had 3. Lotr had so much more details - for example my favorite character Tom Bombadil never appeared.
r2d2rx 1 month ago
@drdaveoldguy Quite right. King Thranduil is Legolas' father.
jesseholt1 1 month ago
@jesseholt1
Of course, it's mentioned in The Two Towers extended scene that Legolas is an elf-prince.
(However it's not mentioned why he's there at all, since originally it was to tell that Gollum had escaped-- but this conveniently escaped mention in the film).
CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago
So much amazing British talent, Martin Freeman, Benedict Cumberbatch, Andy Serkis, Richard Armitage, Stephen Fry, Aidan Turner, the list goes on. This is going to be one heck of a film!!
Andieastronomydude 1 month ago
OH Yeah! We'll see the battle at Azanulbizar!
apach1988 1 month ago
hate Legolas!
apach1988 1 month ago
um sauruman wasnt in the book at all. i just finished it! :S oh well.
MsChocolateisYUMMY 1 month ago
@MsChocolateisYUMMY : The White Council is in "The Hobbit" and Saruman is the head of the White Council. They are pulling in details of White Council activities during the events of "The Hobbit" from other Tolkien writings.
drdaveoldguy 1 month ago
Martin Freeman possesses the unusual quality for a man his age of being RIDONKULOUSLY ADORABLE.<333333333333333333333333333
stargleekminion 1 month ago
@stargleekminion Free+man=
apach1988 1 month ago
can`t wait :P
Drumm1997 1 month ago
Richard Armitage, (Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch FTW Sherlock), Elijah Wood, and many others= awsome people and very good actors :3 gotta love them ^.^
rowan729 1 month ago
i think they are making the movie so that Bilbo is telling Frodo about his adventure with the dwarfs.
meggie7515 1 month ago
how is frodo involved in this movie?
qazwsxedcrfv833 1 month ago
1:40 it's jeeves
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normypful 1 month ago
1:32 wtf?
kosta2pac 1 month ago
Im guessing Bennedict Cumberpatch is just doing the voice of Smaug ???
MrTrickybam 1 month ago
EVERYBODY I LOVE. In this movie. Good lord.
aLUSHworld 1 month ago
ok i had like 500 people telling me he was that or that or that or that or that the lists goes OOOOOOOOOOOn
Mbadly 1 month ago
Renee C. as a goblin?
MrBassman003 1 month ago
yay andy's back
SuperPownage123 1 month ago
Azog is from TROTWK
apach1988 1 month ago
@apach1988
What's TROTWK?
SPOILER ALERT!
Azog is from RotK Appendix A concerning Durin's Folk; he fights the armies of Dwarves under Thorin's father, Thráin, outside of Moria during the battle; Dain Ironfoot kills Azog, but the Dwarves can't enter Moria because of the balrog.
Azog's son, Bolg, leads the Goblin-army to Erebor in The Hobbit.
CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago
@CitizenOfMinasTirith I know all of it and more)))
apach1988 1 month ago
@CitizenOfMinasTirith appearance is from
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Who the fuck is "Tauriel"??? Isn't in ANY of the books... Trying to put women in a story without women... WHY???
Yannick20 2 months ago
@Yannick20
My guess is to burn time and to create merchandise, as well as the fact that Peter Jackson is whipped like when he made Arwen center-stage. However there were many unnamed Elves and Elf-maidens in the book both in Rivendell and Mirkwood,
CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago
Who the fuck is "Tauriel"??? Isn't in ANY of the books... Trying to put women in a story without women... WHY???
Yannick20 2 months ago
<3 stephen fry
deathragh1 2 months ago
Elves can live to be thousands of fucking years old, so legolas could have very well been alive then, and probably was.
brandspankinNEWB 2 months ago
@brandspankinNEWB
Legolas was likely thousands of years old. He never traveled far from Mirkwood before LotR.
CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago
@CitizenOfMinasTirith not true ... at least as far as I remember the crossing from Valinor didn't occur more than thousand years ago, and I don't recall a mention of Legolas in the stories of the fall of Numenor, as well as all of Sillmarillion for that matter so there is no way Legolas is that old. He is a child of the Third Age ...
monkey0in0a0cage 1 month ago
@monkey0in0a0cage : First, the crossing of the Noldor from Valinor occurred about 600 years prior to the end of the FIRST age; add that to the lengths of the Second and Third ages and the crossing was 7000 years prior to LOTR. Also, many elves never went to Valinor in the first place ... like the Sindar. And Legoas was Sindar, not Noldor. Elrond (age 6500) and Arwen (age 2780) were both born after the crossing. Legolas almost certainly was thousands of years old.
drdaveoldguy 1 month ago
@drdaveoldguy From the Hobbit: "The feasting people were Wood-elves, of course. ... They differed from the High Elves of the West, and were more dangerous and less wise. For most of them (together with their scattered relations in the hills and mountains) were descended from the ancient tribes that never went to Faerie in the West."
So there was likely no crossing among them.
CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago
@monkey0in0a0cage : And BTW, Legolas' involvement in the events in LOTR took place in the years 3018-3019 of the Third Age, so even if he was strictly a child of the Third Age, he still could have been thousands of years old.
drdaveoldguy 1 month ago
@monkey0in0a0cage
The Hobbit expressly states that the Wood-Elves "never went to Faerie" (Valinor), and likewise that crossing back happened 6282 years before the events in The Hobbit.
. Most likely Legolas was born after Thranduil had settled in Mirkwood, presumably in the latter part of the Second Age; this would make him somewhere between 3,000 and 5,500 years old.
CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago
There's someone missing:
Howard Shore as Composer :D
I loved the soundtrack of LotR
hagindor 2 months ago
ALEX TOBAL IS A HOMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HiveFleetZuris 2 months ago
Did anyone else almost start crying when they heard Concerning Hobbits?
Alaskangirl11 2 months ago
wait.....Legolas was in the hobbit? Did I miss something in the book? was he even ALIVE then?
Alaskangirl11 2 months ago
@Alaskangirl11 No, he was not. Neither Galadriel nor Saruman, as far as I can remember from the book. Radagast is just mentioned by Gandalf. By the way, I don't remember either anybody called Tauriel. Please correct if I am wrong, or I am missing something. Greetings!
Shakamuni 2 months ago
@Shakamuni Ur right I think its a little messed up unless they r going to have like flash forwards or something, mean I kno that why Frodo is in there, but how would Legolas would play into the hobbit.
Alaskangirl11 2 months ago
@Alaskangirl11 Of course, Frodo and Old Bilbo are just -so to say- as a way to introduce the audience in the main story, from my point of view of course! Greetings!
Shakamuni 2 months ago
@Alaskangirl11
Legolas would be needed to help with Thranduil's army. All the Elves of Mirkwood were there IIRC.
Bilbo never told the complete story since he didn't want to admit he had the Ring-- or that he stole it, just like Gollum didn't want to admit that he killed his cousin for it, so they both made up stories to cover their guilt and claim proper ownership of it; he originally said that Gollum gave him the Ring!
So Frodo wouldn't learn the true story until much later.
CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago
@Shakamuni : The Elven kingdom of northern Mirkwood that plays such a key role in the latter half of the story was ruled by Legolas' father. Even though he's not mentioned by name, given his status and warrior skills, he would have been involved; that is confirmed in LOTR. As for his age, I'm not sure it's known, but for comparison, Arwen was about 2700 years old at the time of LOTR. So the 77 year difference between "Hobbit" and LOTR is not an issue when it comes to elves.
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
@Shakamuni : As for Galadriel, Saruman, and Radagast, they were all members of the White Council, which actually IS mentioned in "The Hobbit." It's clear they're drawing on other Tolkien material on their activities during the time of Bilbo's adventures in "The Hobbit." As for Tauriel, she's a new character created for the movie, probably to give people (and women in particular) somebody to identify with in scenes where familiar characters are scarce (e.g. Battle of 5 Armies).
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
@drdaveoldguy Thanks for your answer! I remember that Gandalf left Bilbo and the 13 dwarves by their own after their staying at Beorn's home. And I supposed that is for attending The White Council (but I have to confess that I don't remember where it is carried out and who were the participants). Gonna find out (actually to refresh my memory) by searching on the web (searching in LOTR's books would be slower!). Greetings!
Shakamuni 2 months ago
@Shakamuni
The White Council drove Sauron out of his fortress of Dol Guldur in Southern Mirkwood-- or seemed to; in reality, it was simply a trick by Sauron to return to Mordor, where the Nazgul had been busy rebuilding Barad-Dur for his return.
The real fun trick, however, will be seeing how a red electric eyeball can flee ROTFLMAO
CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago
@CitizenOfMinasTirith That's true. At least, those days I was reading LOTR Appendix and that was what I read. Thank you!
Shakamuni 1 month ago
I may sound weird, but Martin Freeman is so handsome as Biblo!
musicdork4ever 2 months ago
For anyone wondering why they cast a pretty woman as a goblin: The goblins are supposed to be slim, hence why they cast slim females. They did the same with the orcs in LOTR. A majority of them were played by females.
Oh, and that's not the correct Stephen Hunter.
TheCarninator 2 months ago
@TheCarninator as far as I know the riders of Rohan were nearly all females xd
BlueAura101 2 months ago
what part was Legolas in?
KrazyKirby101 2 months ago
@KrazyKirby101
Legolas is the prince of the elfes who lives in the wood. His father is the king and has capture the dwarfs.
Sorry about my bad english.
30SecondsToMars97 2 months ago
@KrazyKirby101
i mean he's the son of king thranduil.
30SecondsToMars97 2 months ago
Woohoo. Go on Richard Armitage. Finally the wider world will get to see the talent the rest of us recognised since 2004 and BBC's North and South. You'll be brilliant and you so deserve this.
approp 2 months ago
One more for the collection!
amthunder1 2 months ago
1:50 swedes will get it ;)
ssorrenn 2 months ago
Richard Armitage <3
OOGuizmoo 2 months ago 11
Hee hee, they have Mitchell the vampire from Being Human as one of the dwarves. Lol, thought he looked familiar XD XD.
Also, Sherlock and John! This movie is epic.
xxibitsuxx 2 months ago
what i know Legolas wasnt in the book but OK
Mbadly 2 months ago 9
@Mbadly : Yes and no. He wasn't mentioned by name. But the elven kingdom of northern Mirkwood that plays such an important role in the latter half of the story was ruled by Legolas' father. Given his status and his warrior skills, there's no doubt that he was involved ... there is actually reference made to his involvement in "LOTR:Fellowship" during the Council of Elrond. (In the book, at least.)
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
@Mbadly
He was there, just not by name. Remember Thranduil's entire army was there. Only one wood-elf is actual named in the book: Galion the butler.
CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago
@Mbadly legolas was not in the book by name, he is the son of the woodland king who captures and imprisons the dwarves. My guess is he'll just have a cameo serving his father or something like that. That's why he and gimli are sour towards each other at the beginning of fellowship. I don't think he'll have much of a speaking role, his presence just adds depth to the film and connects the hobbit movies to the lotr movies.
kittycrazy531 1 month ago
@kittycrazy531 : Just my opinion, but I think he'll be quite involved in the Battle of the Five Armies. He's a skilled warrior and it would make sense for him to be involved in the battle. Also, the dwarves are barricaded in the mountain for most of the war, mostly leaving Bard, Dain, and the Elven King -- who we barely know -- and the only known characters fighting. Legolas would make for a much-needed familiar face. I think that's why Tauriel was created, too.
drdaveoldguy 1 month ago
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dme257 1 month ago
@Mbadly They do visit his home so maybe it's just a cameo.
DevilzBidin 1 month ago
how to hell is tauriel
viljami1234 2 months ago
@viljami1234 : She seems to be doing just fine, thanks.
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
No A list stars besides Ian, THANK GOD. :)
OfficialTribe 2 months ago
It's SIR Christopher Lee ^^
just4onecommment 2 months ago
Two words to describe this upcoming movie: Hot Damn!!!
ohnodevo 2 months ago
@ohnodevo HOT DAMN? wtf!?
haseebahmed07518 2 months ago
I like how the two stars of Sherlock are in this movie...Smaug and Bilbo FTW! This is going to be an epic movie. :D
Llamacastle 2 months ago
Aidan Turner = HOT!
narniac77ringer 2 months ago
tauriel... nice
kalleskit 2 months ago
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WhovianTimeyWimey 2 months ago
Martin Freeman plays Watson in a modern-based Sherlock Holmes mini-series. He's such a good actor! I'm so excited for him to be Bilbo!!! :)
swimfas19 2 months ago
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AJCMS14 2 months ago
I CAN NOT WAIT FOR THIS FILM!!
PureJockPureBrit 2 months ago
Dwalin looks badass.
PureJockPureBrit 2 months ago
How the heck can Aragorn be 87 in LOTR??? He looks like he is 30 or something. Anyone explain??? And also i am pretty sure 60 years passed between The Hobbit and The Fellowship of the Ring, it said so in the movie, but i don't know what it said in book...
Platypus4001 2 months ago
@Platypus4001 : Aragorn has a few distant ancestors that were elves. (He actually is descended from Elrond's brother, Elros, who was the first Numenorian king. Elros chose a mortal life, though he ... and his descendants ... were granted much longer lives than normal humans.) And LOTR begins 60 years after "Hobbit," but ends 20 years later (so 80 years after "Hobbit"). Most of LOTR took place 77 years after "Hobbit."
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
@Platypus4001 : Just a p.s. ... the beginning of LOTR features Bilbo's 111th b'day (and Frodo's 33rd). When Frodo and Sam and the others leave the Shire on the quest to destroy the ring, it's right around the time of Frodo's 50th b'day. And three years later, when Frodo and Bilbo are heading to the Grey Havens to sail into the west, it's Bilbo's 131st b'day. I.e., there are 17 years between Bilbo and Frodo's respective departures from the Shire. The movie glosses over that.
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
@drdaveoldguy : Whoa, that was very unexpected. So you mean that when Gandalf (in the movie) says "Keep it secret, keep it safe.", and leaves, 17 years pass untill he returns?
Platypus4001 2 months ago
@Platypus4001 : Actually, yeah ... at least almost that much. (There's also some number of months between when Gandalf leaves to consult with Saruman and when Frodo leaves the Shire.) Even the book only devotes about a paragraph to the bulk of that period ... because from Frodo's perspective not much happened. Gandalf checked in on him every year or two for a while, then he was gone (e.g. looking for Gollum w/ Aragorn) for something like 9 years. Frodo basically hung out.
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
@Platypus4001 : BTW - just to bend your mind some more, at the time of "The Hobbit" Aragorn was 10 years old, and Arwen was about 2700 years old. Major May-December romance in the making. (Though they didn't actually meet until Aragorn was 20 ... and he aged very slowly after that up until she decided to take on a mortal life ... so not so weird in the end.)
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
@Platypus4001 they explain this in return of the king extended edition. Aragorn is a decendant of the dunadine, blessed with long life.
mazteer01 2 months ago
Who is Alfrid in the book?
Burtfarsk 2 months ago
Tauriel. glade to see her ;)
101mercenary 2 months ago
What - no Tom Cruise? :)
discoverytime1 2 months ago
LOL Stephen Fry! I'll never be able to take this movie seriously now, not after QI
Collinffs 2 months ago
Ian Holm looks here like Hopkins :P
ladyanne97 2 months ago
I'm ready to fall in love again....thank you Peter Jackson....you have been missed!
Blakmajik78 2 months ago
I can understand why Peter Jackson has Legolas, Saruman, and Frodo in the movie!!!
In the trailer, it has Bilbo telling FRODO the story of how he got THE RING.
Legolas might as well be in the movie since Elves are Immortal beings, and his father is Thranduil, King of Mirkwood.
Saruman is in the movie because later on, Gandalf leaves the Dwarves and Hobbit to meet with the White Council to discuss Dol Guldur and the Necromancer.
Done and Done...
I am a Lord of the Rings uber-fan
arthasman123 2 months ago
@arthasman123 : OK Rings uber-fan. A quiz, just out of curiosity ... on two points many Rings fans posting here seem to get wrong. First, when Bilbo and the dwarves visit Rivendell near the start of "The Hobbit," has Aragorn been born yet and, if so, how old is he? Second, how many years elapse between the events in "The Hobbit" and Frodo's departure from the Shire on his quest to destroy the ring in "LOTR: Fellowship"?
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
@drdaveoldguy I think Aragorn has been born, and most likely already an adult. He is, after all, a Numenorean, with a longer life-span than an average joe. I think Aragorn is about a century old by the time of the events of the Lord of the Rings. As for the distance of time between the Hobbit and LOTR, I think it's over 50 years.
MrColuber 2 months ago
@MrColuber : Mostly close .. Aragorn is 87 at the time of his involvement in LOTR, and his involvement in LOTR takes place 77 years after the events in "The Hobbit." He was 10 years old at the time of "The Hobbit" ... living in Rivendell with his widowed mother. Elrond was basically is foster father at the time.
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
@arthasman123 it's gonna be weird to see more of Saruman before he joined forces with Sauron, not evil and whatnot.
canibusLE2 2 months ago
Why are there Legolas or Saruman?... They aren't in the book. =(
IasonMVP 2 months ago
Awesome! For some reason I'm really happy Radagast will show up on the movie, I don't rmember if he did show in the book (must reread it), but anyway it's really cool they're showing more of the background story
brawrnie 2 months ago
Barry Humphries as a Goblin FTW~!!!!!!!!! And Stephen Fry as well... that is so awesome!!
Timmydope 2 months ago
benedict cumberbatch as smaug hahah! that is just too awesome
Radculas 2 months ago
can elijah wood look anymore like lance from pokemon?
orbitaldropshockspa1 2 months ago
What a dream team! Evangeline Lilly is such a gorgeous elf!
DanielosII 2 months ago
when do fairies take out there false teeth?
when they go goblin parties
one VERY sexy lady
jonahsemail 2 months ago
Yeah, and can anyone remind me who is Radagast?
Platypus4001 2 months ago
@Platypus4001 Radagast the Brown is one of the Maya just like Gandalf.
purplejim8 2 months ago
@Platypus4001 He's one of the istari! (a wizard liek gandalf) Radagast the brown.. I believe he is the keeper of nature and animals
JimmiSteele 2 months ago
ARAGORN WILL NOT SHOW UP in this movie, not even as a little kid. The Hobbit was set 60 years before The Fellowship of the Ring. This is like 30 years before he was even born!
Platypus4001 2 months ago
@Platypus4001 aragorn is 80 during the lord of the rings times.
Uomoz87 2 months ago
@Platypus4001 : Actually, Aragorn was 87 at the time of his involvement in LOTR, and his involvement took place 77 years after the events of "The Hobbit." He was a 10-year-old boy living at Rivendell with his widowed mother at the time of "The Hobbit." Elrond was basically his foster-father. Simplest way to confirm is to look at the chronology in the RotK appendices. And Radagast is another one of the wizards.
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
@Platypus4001 When the events of The Fellowship of the Ring occur Aragorn is 87 years old, so technically he could show up in The Hobbit, although it is relatively unlikely.
RasCalum 2 months ago
@RasCalum It is highly possible that the will appear briefly.. it is speculated that he has already been cast and will show up as a young boy :)
JimmiSteele 2 months ago
@JimmiSteele that would be really sweet if that were true!
mindyschocolate 2 months ago
what are frodo, legolas and saruman doing here?
vanh0ek 2 months ago
@vanh0ek The trailer indicates that the story will be framed in the context of Old Bilbo telling it to Frodo, so that's probably (hopefully) when Legolas and them come in. There must also be quite a few flashbacks or things like that, because you never directly meet Thror, Thrain, or Radagast along the way either.
lenguarchitect 2 months ago
@vanh0ek : They are framing the whole movie as an older Bilbo telling Frodo the story. As for the others, Jackson is drawing on other Tolkien material to expand on parts of the story, and throw in flashbacks to set context. E.g. White Council activities (Galadriel, Saruman, Radagast). And the fact that the elven kingdom of northern Mirkwood was ruled by Legolas' father ... so he clearly would have been present and involved (confirmed in "Fellowship").
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
are you looking for Evangeline Lilly either now ? lol
TheYuri1212 2 months ago
1:16 She's so lovely :D And Peter Jackson looks like a Hobbit without putting any make up:)
minazmorgul 2 months ago
1:55 sexy goblin
snufas1 2 months ago 25
Well, I imagined Smaug little bit scarier :|
Siska0Robert 2 months ago
I do wonder what's it gonna be about the kings Thror and Thrain, must be some darn epic stuff. =)
diekerel 2 months ago
Lol I would hate to play Gollum
SteelEpiphany 2 months ago
@SteelEpiphany
Geez, Gollum is every actor's dream.
CitizenOfMinasTirith 2 months ago
Wow. Never imagined Kili to be that hot.
Maryorn 2 months ago 22
@Maryorn they couldn't make them all ugly ! there must be a quota of hot boys and girls.
Quyhm 2 months ago
Man why did you delete my comments? :(
Kajt90 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
I'll miss Aragorn and Arwen though ! Same for merry, pippin, faramir and many more
Serpette94 2 months ago
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CitizenOfMinasTirith 2 months ago
@CitizenOfMinasTirith Well Viggo Mortensen didn't shoot anything so we won't see him ^^
Serpette94 2 months ago
@CitizenOfMinasTirith : Actually, the shards of Narsil were brought to Rivendell by Isildur's squire nearly 3000 years prior to the events in "The Hobbit." And while Aragorn was living at Rivendell at the time of Bilbo's visit, he was only 10 years old at that point. So Jackson could slip in an appearance of Aragorn just for fun ... a dark-haired human kid wandering through a Rivendell scene ... but it couldn't be the Viggo M. version of the character that people love.
drdaveoldguy 2 months ago
@drdaveoldguy
Yeah you're right about that.
But Jackson messed with the timeline so much in LotR, compressing everything in time and space by a factor of about 10:1 (like riding from Orthanc to Minas Tirith non-stop in a few hours), that he can't be expected to adhere to the timeline in the book.
CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago
@CitizenOfMinasTirith : There's nothing to suggest Jackson messed with the timeline, compressed it by 10:1 (or compressed it at all), or shortened the trip from Orthanc to Minas Tirith to a few hours. Jackson barely called out the timeline at all ... he just showed events as they happened without attaching them to a timeline. But when he did reference the timeline ... Aragorn's age, the passage of time between "Hobbit" and FotR, etc. ... he adhered closely to the books.
drdaveoldguy 1 month ago
@drdaveoldguy "There's nothing to suggest Jackson messed with the timeline, compressed it by 10:1 (or compressed it at all), or shortened the trip from Orthanc to Minas Tirith to a few hours."
Just the movie, where rides non-stop from Orthanc to Minas Tirith, when in the book it took over three days with stops at night in various houses. Also Saruman converts Isengard in a few days, vs. years. Gandalf disappears for years in the book, in the movie it's months at most.
Fail.
CitizenOfMinasTirith 1 month ago