@Londoner1001 Certainly was! I used to not really like him all that much! But after reading his autobiography and heard him give a speech, my opinion of him changed. His autobiography is awesome!
As a Black man, I want Harriet to become the new leader of the British. She is desperate to legalise discrimination against white males in the work-place. positive discrimination is ]good thing for redressing the balance in UK. us Blacks should vote for labour, and then eventually the White woman and man will be less powerful economically.
The tory party just got more votes and a higher share of the vote than blair got in 2005 but only because you brits are scum. my benefits will go.
cameron should study everyway possbile of gaining more votes he has to expose clegg and his the truth face of his two faced party hopfully tories will win this year VOTE tories
This is a very misleading video. Winning the highest number of votes does not equal having the largest mandate. As the population increases, of course each victory will have more votes than the last. But Thatcher won more seats in the House of Commons in 3 seperate elections, as did Harold MacMillan, Clement Attlee and Harold Wilson. The "biggest mandate" would be the proportional number of seats you win, it has nothing to do with the raw number of votes.
@trip3newton The aye's have it!! New labour are a shamble and a disgrace to the UK. Before i came to live in the UK, i used to think they were great, what Britain needed, but now i've had an eye opener, and i prefer the tories.
@shoeme69 Every Labour govt. has resided over a steady erosion of our civil liberties - this one is no different. They don't care about the rights of the individual because they see us as simply walking cash machines to fill the governments coffers and fund their pet projects designed to destroy the will and aspirations of the individual and make us reliant on the State.
@fatrob1711 Where was the integrity under a socialist Labour govt. I'd like to ask! Where was our ''integrity'' during the Winter of Discontent. Where was the ''integrity'' in the dead going unburied because of strikes?
You may wish to paint a romantic image of Socialist Britain, but the reality was quite different. This idea that the Tories "ruined" anything is a nonsense - talk about mis-placed anger!
@UnitedBritannia - It's a very fair and valid point, and although I would say that I have a socialist streak in me - It could never be right to give the unions the power that they had before! However, the sleaze and scandal that the tories brought, the way they took power from the poor and gave it to the rich was disgraceful - does no one remember the dreadful poll tax? I know that Labour are hopeless (and I don't support them) but people have to remember the past,
@fatrob1711 You seem like an intelligent sort of - not many around on YouTube, so let me just say - good evening! :)
The poll tax was a policy too far, I'll happily admit. The idea at it's core - to help the middle class and aspirational working class home owners that under the previous system had paid a disproportionate amount for local services - was a good one, but the devil was in the detail and ultimately it ended up being a poor piece of legislation.
@fatrob1711 The other point about the poll tax was that it attempted to combat the behavior of some Labour councils (i.e. Lambeth, the GLC) that irresponsibly followed the examples of the national governments from their party's past that spent more than they could afford and in doing so tried to bypass the rule of the democratically elected national government of the day.
These were fundamentally decent goals, but of course that's all irrelevant because it was mishandled from the start.
@fatrob1711 The trouble was part bad legislation, but the Poll Tax also didn't work because what we might want to achieve in theory can't always take place in practice. The poll tax ultimately mad everyone (except a few) worse off and did the exact opposite of what was intended. It was Mrs. Thatcher's mistake and she paid for it with her job.
@fatrob1711 On your other points, I would argue that the "sleaze and scandal" of the Major years pale in comparison to what we now know went on under Blair (no doubt there is plenty still being kept under wraps). The whole "Tory Sleaze" thing was an election weapon of the Labour party and the press were foolish enough to buy into it. What a minister does in his bedroom (most of the scandals were sexual in nature) is none of my business and frankly, there are more important things to discuss.
@fatrob1711 I would also argue that far from taking power from the ordinary people of this country, Thatcher gave it back! Whether taking away the power of militant union leaders to bully their members into industrial action that they did not want, or taking away power from central govt, she handed freedom back to the individual to do with what they wished. I realize you probably won't share my view on this, but that rather gets to the heart of the matter and it's why Thatcher polarizes opinion
@fatrob1711 Most ordinary working and middle-class Britons did pretty well in the Tory years - tax cuts across the board (for skill and unskilled labour), not to mention the huge rise in well paying white-collar jobs within new sectors of the economy. Tory policies prepared this country for the 21st century and gave us a new economy that until recently saw prosperity rise across all social classes.
@fatrob1711 But of course no government is perfect, and the Tories made mistakes. But the Labour party have betrayed everyone in this country (as they always do) - just look at the huge amount of debt racked up by Brown. I'm 22 and will be spending a large chunk of my working life paying his bills - and what has any of this spending given me? Precisely zilch. Socialism (however discrete) always ends in disaster - and this wretched Labour govt. that has screwed my generation over - proves it.
@UnitedBrittania good evening to you too - and thanks for making this a civilised discussion :) I do understand how you see the ideology of Poll tax. However I don't believe that the Tories shared your aspirations to help the working class because the tax payed was based on the number of people living in each house rather than the estimated price. I honestly believe that Ms Thatcher was aware that this would shift the tax burden from rich to poor - and used as an attempt win over the rich.
@UnitedBritannia I agree that bedroom affairs shouldn't affect a politician's performance in office although I would point out that I wouldn't like to think that I was ever voting for someone who could cheat on their wives and lie about it as so many did. Sex affairs were not the only embarrassment to the Tories either (Mohammed al Fayed and the Cash for questions affair come to mind!
The problem now is that although the figure of the party has changed, I can't see the rest of the party detoxified as they allegedly have been under Cameron's leadership. Remember duck houses and moat cleaning you're paying for in that large chunk of your working life (Labour haven't proven cleaner)! Although were the working class better off under the Tories? Three million unemployed and some poorly handled miners' strikes must have been dark times for some people.
@UnitedBritannia - I don't share your view on Thatcher's distribution of power - but it would be pointless for me to comment as I could say nothing that you probably haven't already heard. With regards to the tax cuts - the Tories, just like Labour have now, left us badly poised for the recession and Black Wednesday, perhaps not the wisest move. On a final note, be careful about branding all socialism as bad - look at the Welfare State and the NHS which shows socialism at it's best.
@UnitedBritannia - I'm sorry if I haven't answered all of the points, I write these comments with great fatigue but I'm not deliberately dodging anything. Please point me back to anything i've missed!
@fatrob1711 Thanks for a decent response! Nice to have an intelligent conversation about these weighty matters.
Personally, I think it unlikely that Thatcher wanted to push through the poll tax in order to win over the wealthy. Let's face it - she had them already!
@fatrob1711 But I take your point about motive. I think really this policy was born out of a few things. Firstly - Thatcher had become accustomed to being a revolutionary, and it's as if she was looking for another crusade with which to tie herself to in a third term.
Her determination to be radical and change what she thought ought to be changed was her greatest strength - but by this time in her premiership, probably her greatest weakness too.
@fatrob1711 But I do believe that Thatcher wanted the poll tax for the benefits she thought it would bring to "her people" (i.e. aspirational middle/working classes). Her mistake was not aborting the policy when it became clear there were going to be unintended consequences.
I understand your misgivings about any politician that has affairs. But I still don't care about it, personally. All politicians, spare a few, lie - so I'll just vote based on which party I share most values with.
@fatrob1711 I don't object to either the NHS or Welfare in principle - the problem comes in practice. The harsh reality is that the NHS - in it's current form - is unsustainable. No politician will ever be frank about this, because they fear being out of office for a generation (at least) but the facts tell us that this is so. The system needs reform, though, not to be dismantled.
I agree, the NHS is in a mess at the moment - but we still have a healthcare system in which anyone can be treated. Yes, those who can should pay for, by tax for the NHS while those who can't (e.g. orphaned or disabled) should be allowed to have treatment, health insurance or otherwise. I do agree however, about its unsustainability. The problem lies, however with the benefit thieves who CAN work, but don't. This is not a problem with socialism, but a problem with people - and can be prevented.
I understand that this is not a forum for social ideologies but wouldn't you agree that, before the great betrayal, communism helped a lot of people. Yes, it is corrupt but a lot of people were helped and everybody was equal. I'm not a communist but I think it did have some good ideals.
As you might expect, I can't agree with you about Communism. I would argue that far from everyone being "equal", what has always transpired in Communist regimes is a highly powerful political elite who use their power to enslave the masses within stagnated economies where the hard work, talents and aspirations of the individual are never rewarded and where the vast majority are equal - but equally trapped in a kind of grinding poverty we can't even imagine today.
And that's not even mentioning the fact that citizens of these regimes had no human rights and were brutally betrayed by the corrupt politicians who claimed to be protecting their interests. I could never recognize any good in a system that responds to political dissent with murder and forces a narrow vision of how people can live their lives on it's citizens.
I agree, there was definitely some economic success in the Conservative era which due praise went to Brown, who was only in the right place at the right time. The problem is that capitalism, although not fully responsible, has shown flaws in the recent crisis. And I do agree with you that the Conservative party have helped people they have also let a lot of people down - people from poor backgrounds were unable to get anywhere near the same privileges as the rich - Labour widened that gap.
Yes, Capitalism is flawed - but so is every method of organising society so far discovered. But capitalism is perhaps best described as "the least bad option" because it allows for the personal liberty and human progress that neither socialism or communism can accommodate. The recent crisis is not a result of capitalism per-se, but of the dominant banking model of our time which simply allowed debts to outstrip capital.
But, as I am pleased to see the Conservative Party have done, I support reform of the banking system. We now have an elite group of bankers that are reminiscent of the militant trade unionists and socialist politicians of the past in that they have a similar sense of entitlement, arrogance and contempt for the ordinary tax payer that is frankly disgraceful.
The solution is to place greater economic power in the hands of ordinary people through wider share ownership (something Thatcher began achieving in the 80's but there is still far more scope for more of this), and to cut the public sector (and so taxes also) so that the private sector can regain it's dominance and wealth can be created through the small and medium-sized businesses that have always provided the horse power of our economy.
In addition to the economic advantages of such policies, this is the best way of creating a more meritocratic society that values the skills and aspirations of it's citizens. The free market doesn't care what social class you belong to - it is based on results. The kind of society I want to see judges people on what they can achieve as opposed to where they have come from. Socialism and Communism ALWAYS lead to a preoccupation with the social class you belong to.
but I also believe that David Cameron will not be able to change anything. I think it is clear from the past 50 years that Labour or Conservative, you can't get past the Old Guard. I think that all of our recent politicians have had noble visions and aspirations for our country - but due to the current system it has been impossible for them to be carried out - proven by Obama's struggles in America.
Thank you for such a great response. It really challenged me and got me thinking. All the best!
I totally agree with you that the vested interests of business and government make it incredibly difficult to change things - but the Thatcher years show us that things don't have to stay the same forever and that Britain is not locked into inevitable decline.
I am more skeptical about politicians than you, and by and large I don't think the aspirations of our political elites are anything like noble and haven't been for quite some time.
The Obama health care issue is a complicated one. Part of his problem comes from the fact that not even half the American population support his legislation. Mostly this comes from a healthy skepticism about big govt. (who could blame them!?). The NHS has been routinely used in America as an example of how disastrous nationalised-health care can be. We are far too emotional about the issue here, but facts are facts and most Americans know the score.
@UnitedBritannia not to mention the cost of his program! Medicare and Medicaid, two health care programmes who are in place right now in the US, are a bottomless hole, and healt care costs much more in the US because of the private system, doctors charge what they want, unlike Britiain
@UnitedBritannia True big goverment sucks, but some of obamas legistration is commen sence and should have been impleneted a long time ago. For example insurance companys can no longer remove your health cover once you get ill
It's been great discussing these issues with you, and I'm glad you found it challenging in some way - intellectual laziness is never a good thing, and if we think about and discuss ideas that differ to our own we will always be better off.
You're far younger than I was when I first started getting interested in politics and that's a great thing - our generation must always be aware of what is being done in our name, or our democracy and freedoms will be lost. Good day to you.
@fatrob1711 But let me ask - shouldn't those who can afford health care pay for it? Again - the idea of anyone being able to access health care whatever their income is grand - and those who can't pay should be supported - but in practice EVERYONE having free care, even those who can afford it, is unsustainable.
@fatrob1711 The problem with socialism is (I believe) that although it may have good intentions - it becomes corrupted and stops being about the ''people'' and more about the elites.
Here is not the forum for elaborate deconstructions of political ideologies, but the record of human history is crystal clear - the system that has proven most able to bring the largest number of people out of poverty has been capitalism. That's just a fact and no socialist can honestly tell you otherwise.
@fatrob1711 And whilst I take your point about recent economic crises', focusing on them alone doesn't acknowledge the huge amount of prosperity and progress that has been achieved in this country over the past 30 years. If I'd been born 20 years earlier, for example, there is simply no way I would have been able to pursue the career I have chosen - there simply wouldn't have been the opportunities for a person of my background.
@United Brittania, thank you for your answers and you clearly know more about these matters - I sincerely hope you consider becoming a (preferably independent) politician in the future.
The problem with Thatcher's attitude that she was desperate to take the poll tax into her own hands - she was advised at the time not to go through with it but ignored anyone else's opinion.
Unfortunately, this is what caused her downfall and is happening to Gordon Brown now - it is clear that it is not the Labour party but the three line whip that has been making decisions in the past 13 years - Although can't remember the tory reign, from what I've read/discovered, it seems that it was pretty similar in Thatcher's 12 years. On the other side of the coin, John Major had a hard time controlling his. Sadly I don't think either of the main parties have really improved since then.
@UnitedBritannia - I'm sorry if I haven't answered all of the points, I write these comments with great fatigue but I'm not deliberately dodging anything. Please point me back to anything i've missed!
@UnitedBrittania I do agree with the rest of your opinion on poll tax, if it looked like it was benefitting the poor and middle classes then it must have appealed as a good idea.
@UnitedBrittania With regards to the affairs, I can understand that there is no great need to get involved with everybody's private life and that the majority of politicians are guilty of some form of sleaze - look at the reaction to the Legg inquiry. We are effectively being run by hypocrites. there is a general election coming soon and i believe that the public have a great chance to give Westminister a shock. Sadly, I know that that is unlikely to happen under the current FPTP system.
Exactly! John Major had a very very modest background. Whilst Tony Blair was educated at a public school and Harriet Harman - the poshest private girl's school in the country. Normally I dont comment on people's backgrounds, but it does seem that Labour likes to ignite some sort of class war as was demonstrated on the Crewe and Nanwitch by-election.
Yes - they like to engage in a bit of outdated class warfare, but the only thing it shows is that they have lost the political argument and are now resorting to pathetic personal attacks.
It's sure to be met with utter defeat at the polls, so I say - let them get on with it if that's what they want to do. Nobody's fooling for it...
@bellagiofalls Sorry, but the VAST majority of conservatives come from upper class backgrounds. John Major was one of the few exceptions, and for me he was a good PM, better than Thatcher for sure.
@Myndir I was refering to the leaders. Thatcher, Major and Howard are the only ones that spring to mind. That's appauling, for a party that claims to be the friends of the poorest in society.
@ToaJoe I think that had more to do with the fall of Blair and the end of New Labour's very good economic performance from 1997-2007.
I think even William Hague would have had a shot in 2010 and could have even done better than Cameron. John Major, I think, would have won a majority. And, of course, we know what Maggie would do with poor Gordon...
Now, Maggie vs. Blair would be a true meeting of giants.
@Myndir The reason Cameron didn't win a majority in 2010 is that he has not managed to shrugg off the fact that they are the 'privaliged' party, and he has not portrayed himself as a middle class man.
@bellagiofalls he certainly did not get a GCSE because GCSEs were introduced in 1986, he passed 3 'O' levels when he left school and then passed 3 more by distance learning.
@bellagiofalls What are you on about? He left Grammar School with three O-Levels. I think that you mean that he did not attend Oxford and that he actually worked to become a politician.
Major got the most votes ever in 1992 - and he deserved it simply by going out on the streets and rubbing shoulders with ordinary people on his soapbox. No prime minister before or since has had the courage to do anything like that. Well done, John.
@ajs41 Well actually most major party leaders used to do that. Harold Wilson used to go out and speak in the streets and was excellent with hecklers! Alec Douglas Home also used to do the same although he was less good. It really changed in the 1970's when Heath and Thatcher brought in the ad men for their election campaigns as it was seen as un presidential to argue with voters in the street.
As a school govenor I can say much more money has been put into schools since 1997 and if life was SO good why did the country elect a LABOUR govt, in a LANDSLIDE.
HOWEVER, I hope I'm sensible enough to also appreciate that nothing lasts forever and it depends also on Global Markets etc.
Of course more money has gone into schools since 1997 its ALL BORROWED MONEY which the next Tory government will have to pay back as the history of politics has ALWAYS shown ...... but what does that have to do with the stability of the economy which is what I stated?
You're a school governor? Well I'm glad your not a governor at my daughters school, you couldnt even read my post correctly before spouting your "dont give up the day job"
Yeah glad I'm not a gov'ner at your daughters school too, humourless farts are always hard to deal with.
I think to be fair we all have to be be aware that nothing is perfect don't we , as it happens John Major is my hero, is local and I've voted for him more time than I've ever voted LABOUR, BUT, I'm ( at least hope ) sensible enough to accept that not all the world thinks like I do nor do I want them to , Ah well love don't give up the day job !
I think the major difference between the United States AND bRITIAN OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE ARE ALL HEAVILY ARMED and your governement wont trust you with sharp kitchen utencils
is even conservatives that hate governement regualtion and spending here, value education, if you look at socieites that spend on enducation
vs those that dont the ones that do
always do better, you cant deny equal education we never had an NHS
but what we always have had is good public schools now that we dont?
@ToaJoe It wouldn't say "stronger" is was simply flourishing more...... and it was flourishing more because labour were encouraging the country to borrow beyond its means thus temporarily boosting the economy.
Clarke and Major had solid gold stocks AND a stable economy without having to prop the economy up using the bank of England. Brown then sold all of those gold stocks 10 years later at the bottom of the Market. I don't understand how or why people follow labour....
HEHEHEH Nice little smart answers.. face it.. my opinion differs to yours.. get over it.. there were so many holes in his time under Conservatism.. thats why he was voted out at the next election!
oh and I see your a school governor too? So basically your a socialist civil service jobsworth? Of course your going to love any government who will throw money into pointless projects and waste untold millions on statistical training etc...
As for the mines Thatcher closed all the mines because they were failing industries and she even offered Scargill a 5 year deal which he refused flatly thus killing their jobs off in 18months
Sorry love you're wrong, not a civil servant, I work for £6.12p ph at ASDA.
I hope I'm just a fair minded individual who sees both sides of the equasion - John Major - gorgeous wotsit - , Margaret Thatcher - strong leader when needed sadly in my opinion wrong over the mines. Arthir Scargill - don't mention that SH@T - thanks , needs to be taken to the Bloody Tower !
JanboJay clearly hasn't got a sodding clue as to how a countries economy works hahaha school governor I love it! I can safely say as an Infrastructure Manager who has contracted several times in the educational sector that school head teachers / heads of year / and govenors are useless pseudo bean counters who spend all day shuffling paper round at the expense of the tax payer.
You jobsworths wouldnt last a week in a real professional industry!
UNPAID love - get it right , I've never cost the tax payer a penny !
No darling I probably wouldn't last a week dealing with you - how right you are about that - hopefully in that time I'de have knocked your over inflated , deluded ego into shape.
I hope I have at least a clue how SOMETHINGS work, at 19 I was a Dept Manager at a Merchant Bank that hasn't yet gone bust and at 23 I was the PA for the then F1 World Champion and still his PA when he won it for the second time.
So you were a dept manager at 19 and PA for an F1 champ and now your earning £6.12p ph at ASDA? Which clearly tells me you werent very good at it and didnt last long
I dont have an overinfalted ego, I just dont accept bullshit or excuses. I simply understand how the school system works and have seen first hand the sheer number of civil service idiots wasting millions of £s of tax payers cash on pointless projects.
I totally agree with your views on civil servants wasting millions of pounds, I don't believe you don't have an inflated ego though.
I earn £6.12p ph & it's just fine, I only work 12 hours a week whilst I care for a 90 year old uncle ( who has no other family and would be put into a home and also an 88 year old Ma in Law for which I do not get paid a penny by the state nor my relatives I do it cos I feel it's my duty, & if you read my ex boss's autobiography, he says I was the best PA he had .
i do Britian under old labour was a disaster, i rather thaink Blair did alright though, one of the theories of the lauffer curve was that you could raise more revenue for socialis services if you taxed at a lower rate..and even thatcher was for spendng more on the NHS and education
in the united states as an emrgency measure duing the depression we had the WPA works progress administration to give men something to do they hired the unemployed to dig holes and fill them in..basicall keeping those mines open was as daft as making such a wpa policy permanent..it was like throwing money donw a mine shaft
W@nker he may well be, he may well have made millions on the Euro gravy train, he may well consider me as subservient scum BUT exactly WOT has that gor to do with him being Welsh peay tell ?
Neil Kinnock looked such a tit. don't get me wrong without Kinnock the Labour party would still be a quasi-communist party with the "Militant" group operating in it. But the electorate we're never going to vote Neil Kinnock in. Great leader of the Labour party but electorally bust.
on another of your replies to me on another video u said i was being harsh.... a bit hypocitical dont u think since you are using foul language like this now... popcorn in the kettle black ... dont bother replying back because because i do not care what u hav to say and i have blocked you
great man! look at the mistake the electorate made by voting in new labour. labour for the second time have brought the country to its knees. i will be dancing in the streets when brown and zaNU labour are voted out
There are still a lot of morons in England, particularly in the Essex Man South East, who still crave in the greedy Free Market me me crap and worship Thatcher, even tho its blown up in their faces.
He would be a mixture of free market conservatism and one nation conservatism, in that he followed the economic principles of Thatcherism, whilst trying to combine that with the paternalism of Harold MacMilland.
That Kinnock speech is one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen!!!! What the hell had got into him?!?!?! We're Alrrriggght, We're Alrriiiiggght!!!
Well we've just seen the end of 16 years of economic growth..which means it started in 1992..with every labour government since 1930, unemployment has been higher than when they came in..and there's usually a recession too..alas we are going to see the same now and it will be left to the conservatives to clean up the horrific mess Brown and Labour will leave
oh god, the beer gag is terrible
TheJaaysog 1 week ago
@19189073 He was the king of politics, after Thatcher of course.
MrPenfold84 2 months ago
THANK GOD NEIL KINNOCK WAS NEVER PRIME MINISTER!!! That would have been complete disaster.
OfMiceandTransmen 3 months ago
@RichardElden Lol
TheKenfig 4 months ago
@RichardElden Why ?
TheKenfig 4 months ago
@TheKenfig Yes why?
MrPenfold84 2 months ago
@MrPenfold84 Why what ?
TheKenfig 2 months ago
@RichardElden Not any more as mental illness doesn't even qualify for Incapacity benefit and now that's being phased out as well
TheKenfig 4 months ago
lol kinnock got to excited to early :)
MegaScottyang 8 months ago 2
@RichardElden I claim no benefits at all.
ToaJoe 8 months ago
What is the name of the backing song?
jannasvensonuk 9 months ago
@jannasvensonuk Step On by Happy Mondays
TV1Totoya 9 months ago
let hop we dont see the tory pary winning four election this time
abhudson14 1 year ago
LOL.... and then came black Wednesday.....
progoofy 1 year ago 2
We now have pease in nothan Island thanks to him and blair god bless Major
SuperDanielclark 1 year ago
Major was awesome
Londoner1001 1 year ago
@Londoner1001 Certainly was! I used to not really like him all that much! But after reading his autobiography and heard him give a speech, my opinion of him changed. His autobiography is awesome!
MrPenfold84 2 months ago
what music is it playing?
MisterPolitical1 1 year ago
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SPAG22 1 year ago
At the start of the video what song is playing in the background?
SPAG22 1 year ago
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As a Black man, I want Harriet to become the new leader of the British. She is desperate to legalise discrimination against white males in the work-place. positive discrimination is ]good thing for redressing the balance in UK. us Blacks should vote for labour, and then eventually the White woman and man will be less powerful economically.
The tory party just got more votes and a higher share of the vote than blair got in 2005 but only because you brits are scum. my benefits will go.
bigscolari 1 year ago
does anyone know what the music is in the backround
LetsGetPolitical 1 year ago
anybody have any idea what the song playing in the background is?
501frenchvbs 1 year ago
I bet him and Edwina savoured the moment.
NigNogPoIice 1 year ago
What a knob
kingofpunk1977 1 year ago
cameron should study everyway possbile of gaining more votes he has to expose clegg and his the truth face of his two faced party hopfully tories will win this year VOTE tories
charlieiscool1000 1 year ago
0.35 the stupid fat welsh prick he ha
BRUTUALTRUTH 1 year ago
This is a very misleading video. Winning the highest number of votes does not equal having the largest mandate. As the population increases, of course each victory will have more votes than the last. But Thatcher won more seats in the House of Commons in 3 seperate elections, as did Harold MacMillan, Clement Attlee and Harold Wilson. The "biggest mandate" would be the proportional number of seats you win, it has nothing to do with the raw number of votes.
Bonestorm1 1 year ago
but did Blair in 97, 01 or 05 get more votes that Major?
steps1 1 year ago
Watch the 1992 election (and others) on my channel: ajs41.
ajs41 1 year ago
Major was a brillaint PM, Blair/Brown and Labour are a disaster!
trip3newton 2 years ago
@trip3newton The aye's have it!! New labour are a shamble and a disgrace to the UK. Before i came to live in the UK, i used to think they were great, what Britain needed, but now i've had an eye opener, and i prefer the tories.
MrPenfold84 2 months ago
@shoeme69, get rid of the gratuitous swearing and then we can talk properly
fatrob1711 2 years ago
@shoeme69 Every Labour govt. has resided over a steady erosion of our civil liberties - this one is no different. They don't care about the rights of the individual because they see us as simply walking cash machines to fill the governments coffers and fund their pet projects designed to destroy the will and aspirations of the individual and make us reliant on the State.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@shoeme69 i understand not wanting to vote Labour but you cant't be serious about voting tory!
fatrob1711 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 Nothing wrong with the Tories! But a definite no no to the labour party, and the BNP for that matter.
MrPenfold84 2 months ago
guys, you can't be so naive as to forget the past. 18 years of tory government destroyed our country and its integrity
fatrob1711 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 Where was the integrity under a socialist Labour govt. I'd like to ask! Where was our ''integrity'' during the Winter of Discontent. Where was the ''integrity'' in the dead going unburied because of strikes?
You may wish to paint a romantic image of Socialist Britain, but the reality was quite different. This idea that the Tories "ruined" anything is a nonsense - talk about mis-placed anger!
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@UnitedBritannia - It's a very fair and valid point, and although I would say that I have a socialist streak in me - It could never be right to give the unions the power that they had before! However, the sleaze and scandal that the tories brought, the way they took power from the poor and gave it to the rich was disgraceful - does no one remember the dreadful poll tax? I know that Labour are hopeless (and I don't support them) but people have to remember the past,
fatrob1711 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 You seem like an intelligent sort of - not many around on YouTube, so let me just say - good evening! :)
The poll tax was a policy too far, I'll happily admit. The idea at it's core - to help the middle class and aspirational working class home owners that under the previous system had paid a disproportionate amount for local services - was a good one, but the devil was in the detail and ultimately it ended up being a poor piece of legislation.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 The other point about the poll tax was that it attempted to combat the behavior of some Labour councils (i.e. Lambeth, the GLC) that irresponsibly followed the examples of the national governments from their party's past that spent more than they could afford and in doing so tried to bypass the rule of the democratically elected national government of the day.
These were fundamentally decent goals, but of course that's all irrelevant because it was mishandled from the start.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 The trouble was part bad legislation, but the Poll Tax also didn't work because what we might want to achieve in theory can't always take place in practice. The poll tax ultimately mad everyone (except a few) worse off and did the exact opposite of what was intended. It was Mrs. Thatcher's mistake and she paid for it with her job.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 On your other points, I would argue that the "sleaze and scandal" of the Major years pale in comparison to what we now know went on under Blair (no doubt there is plenty still being kept under wraps). The whole "Tory Sleaze" thing was an election weapon of the Labour party and the press were foolish enough to buy into it. What a minister does in his bedroom (most of the scandals were sexual in nature) is none of my business and frankly, there are more important things to discuss.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 I would also argue that far from taking power from the ordinary people of this country, Thatcher gave it back! Whether taking away the power of militant union leaders to bully their members into industrial action that they did not want, or taking away power from central govt, she handed freedom back to the individual to do with what they wished. I realize you probably won't share my view on this, but that rather gets to the heart of the matter and it's why Thatcher polarizes opinion
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 Most ordinary working and middle-class Britons did pretty well in the Tory years - tax cuts across the board (for skill and unskilled labour), not to mention the huge rise in well paying white-collar jobs within new sectors of the economy. Tory policies prepared this country for the 21st century and gave us a new economy that until recently saw prosperity rise across all social classes.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 But of course no government is perfect, and the Tories made mistakes. But the Labour party have betrayed everyone in this country (as they always do) - just look at the huge amount of debt racked up by Brown. I'm 22 and will be spending a large chunk of my working life paying his bills - and what has any of this spending given me? Precisely zilch. Socialism (however discrete) always ends in disaster - and this wretched Labour govt. that has screwed my generation over - proves it.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@UnitedBrittania good evening to you too - and thanks for making this a civilised discussion :) I do understand how you see the ideology of Poll tax. However I don't believe that the Tories shared your aspirations to help the working class because the tax payed was based on the number of people living in each house rather than the estimated price. I honestly believe that Ms Thatcher was aware that this would shift the tax burden from rich to poor - and used as an attempt win over the rich.
fatrob1711 2 years ago
@UnitedBritannia I agree that bedroom affairs shouldn't affect a politician's performance in office although I would point out that I wouldn't like to think that I was ever voting for someone who could cheat on their wives and lie about it as so many did. Sex affairs were not the only embarrassment to the Tories either (Mohammed al Fayed and the Cash for questions affair come to mind!
fatrob1711 2 years ago
The problem now is that although the figure of the party has changed, I can't see the rest of the party detoxified as they allegedly have been under Cameron's leadership. Remember duck houses and moat cleaning you're paying for in that large chunk of your working life (Labour haven't proven cleaner)! Although were the working class better off under the Tories? Three million unemployed and some poorly handled miners' strikes must have been dark times for some people.
fatrob1711 2 years ago
@UnitedBritannia - I don't share your view on Thatcher's distribution of power - but it would be pointless for me to comment as I could say nothing that you probably haven't already heard. With regards to the tax cuts - the Tories, just like Labour have now, left us badly poised for the recession and Black Wednesday, perhaps not the wisest move. On a final note, be careful about branding all socialism as bad - look at the Welfare State and the NHS which shows socialism at it's best.
fatrob1711 2 years ago
@UnitedBritannia - I'm sorry if I haven't answered all of the points, I write these comments with great fatigue but I'm not deliberately dodging anything. Please point me back to anything i've missed!
thank you
fatrob1711 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 Thanks for a decent response! Nice to have an intelligent conversation about these weighty matters.
Personally, I think it unlikely that Thatcher wanted to push through the poll tax in order to win over the wealthy. Let's face it - she had them already!
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 But I take your point about motive. I think really this policy was born out of a few things. Firstly - Thatcher had become accustomed to being a revolutionary, and it's as if she was looking for another crusade with which to tie herself to in a third term.
Her determination to be radical and change what she thought ought to be changed was her greatest strength - but by this time in her premiership, probably her greatest weakness too.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 But I do believe that Thatcher wanted the poll tax for the benefits she thought it would bring to "her people" (i.e. aspirational middle/working classes). Her mistake was not aborting the policy when it became clear there were going to be unintended consequences.
I understand your misgivings about any politician that has affairs. But I still don't care about it, personally. All politicians, spare a few, lie - so I'll just vote based on which party I share most values with.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 I don't object to either the NHS or Welfare in principle - the problem comes in practice. The harsh reality is that the NHS - in it's current form - is unsustainable. No politician will ever be frank about this, because they fear being out of office for a generation (at least) but the facts tell us that this is so. The system needs reform, though, not to be dismantled.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
I agree, the NHS is in a mess at the moment - but we still have a healthcare system in which anyone can be treated. Yes, those who can should pay for, by tax for the NHS while those who can't (e.g. orphaned or disabled) should be allowed to have treatment, health insurance or otherwise. I do agree however, about its unsustainability. The problem lies, however with the benefit thieves who CAN work, but don't. This is not a problem with socialism, but a problem with people - and can be prevented.
fatrob1711 2 years ago
I understand that this is not a forum for social ideologies but wouldn't you agree that, before the great betrayal, communism helped a lot of people. Yes, it is corrupt but a lot of people were helped and everybody was equal. I'm not a communist but I think it did have some good ideals.
fatrob1711 2 years ago
As you might expect, I can't agree with you about Communism. I would argue that far from everyone being "equal", what has always transpired in Communist regimes is a highly powerful political elite who use their power to enslave the masses within stagnated economies where the hard work, talents and aspirations of the individual are never rewarded and where the vast majority are equal - but equally trapped in a kind of grinding poverty we can't even imagine today.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
And that's not even mentioning the fact that citizens of these regimes had no human rights and were brutally betrayed by the corrupt politicians who claimed to be protecting their interests. I could never recognize any good in a system that responds to political dissent with murder and forces a narrow vision of how people can live their lives on it's citizens.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
I agree, there was definitely some economic success in the Conservative era which due praise went to Brown, who was only in the right place at the right time. The problem is that capitalism, although not fully responsible, has shown flaws in the recent crisis. And I do agree with you that the Conservative party have helped people they have also let a lot of people down - people from poor backgrounds were unable to get anywhere near the same privileges as the rich - Labour widened that gap.
fatrob1711 2 years ago
Yes, Capitalism is flawed - but so is every method of organising society so far discovered. But capitalism is perhaps best described as "the least bad option" because it allows for the personal liberty and human progress that neither socialism or communism can accommodate. The recent crisis is not a result of capitalism per-se, but of the dominant banking model of our time which simply allowed debts to outstrip capital.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
But, as I am pleased to see the Conservative Party have done, I support reform of the banking system. We now have an elite group of bankers that are reminiscent of the militant trade unionists and socialist politicians of the past in that they have a similar sense of entitlement, arrogance and contempt for the ordinary tax payer that is frankly disgraceful.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
The solution is to place greater economic power in the hands of ordinary people through wider share ownership (something Thatcher began achieving in the 80's but there is still far more scope for more of this), and to cut the public sector (and so taxes also) so that the private sector can regain it's dominance and wealth can be created through the small and medium-sized businesses that have always provided the horse power of our economy.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
In addition to the economic advantages of such policies, this is the best way of creating a more meritocratic society that values the skills and aspirations of it's citizens. The free market doesn't care what social class you belong to - it is based on results. The kind of society I want to see judges people on what they can achieve as opposed to where they have come from. Socialism and Communism ALWAYS lead to a preoccupation with the social class you belong to.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
but I also believe that David Cameron will not be able to change anything. I think it is clear from the past 50 years that Labour or Conservative, you can't get past the Old Guard. I think that all of our recent politicians have had noble visions and aspirations for our country - but due to the current system it has been impossible for them to be carried out - proven by Obama's struggles in America.
Thank you for such a great response. It really challenged me and got me thinking. All the best!
fatrob1711 2 years ago
I totally agree with you that the vested interests of business and government make it incredibly difficult to change things - but the Thatcher years show us that things don't have to stay the same forever and that Britain is not locked into inevitable decline.
I am more skeptical about politicians than you, and by and large I don't think the aspirations of our political elites are anything like noble and haven't been for quite some time.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
The Obama health care issue is a complicated one. Part of his problem comes from the fact that not even half the American population support his legislation. Mostly this comes from a healthy skepticism about big govt. (who could blame them!?). The NHS has been routinely used in America as an example of how disastrous nationalised-health care can be. We are far too emotional about the issue here, but facts are facts and most Americans know the score.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@UnitedBritannia not to mention the cost of his program! Medicare and Medicaid, two health care programmes who are in place right now in the US, are a bottomless hole, and healt care costs much more in the US because of the private system, doctors charge what they want, unlike Britiain
autofreak7 1 year ago
@UnitedBritannia True big goverment sucks, but some of obamas legistration is commen sence and should have been impleneted a long time ago. For example insurance companys can no longer remove your health cover once you get ill
98smithg 1 year ago
It's been great discussing these issues with you, and I'm glad you found it challenging in some way - intellectual laziness is never a good thing, and if we think about and discuss ideas that differ to our own we will always be better off.
You're far younger than I was when I first started getting interested in politics and that's a great thing - our generation must always be aware of what is being done in our name, or our democracy and freedoms will be lost. Good day to you.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 I would say the opposite is true, there has been too much change over the past 50 years and much of that change has been for the worse.
aeronuk1 1 year ago
@fatrob1711 But let me ask - shouldn't those who can afford health care pay for it? Again - the idea of anyone being able to access health care whatever their income is grand - and those who can't pay should be supported - but in practice EVERYONE having free care, even those who can afford it, is unsustainable.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 The problem with socialism is (I believe) that although it may have good intentions - it becomes corrupted and stops being about the ''people'' and more about the elites.
Here is not the forum for elaborate deconstructions of political ideologies, but the record of human history is crystal clear - the system that has proven most able to bring the largest number of people out of poverty has been capitalism. That's just a fact and no socialist can honestly tell you otherwise.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@fatrob1711 And whilst I take your point about recent economic crises', focusing on them alone doesn't acknowledge the huge amount of prosperity and progress that has been achieved in this country over the past 30 years. If I'd been born 20 years earlier, for example, there is simply no way I would have been able to pursue the career I have chosen - there simply wouldn't have been the opportunities for a person of my background.
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
@United Brittania, thank you for your answers and you clearly know more about these matters - I sincerely hope you consider becoming a (preferably independent) politician in the future.
The problem with Thatcher's attitude that she was desperate to take the poll tax into her own hands - she was advised at the time not to go through with it but ignored anyone else's opinion.
fatrob1711 2 years ago
Unfortunately, this is what caused her downfall and is happening to Gordon Brown now - it is clear that it is not the Labour party but the three line whip that has been making decisions in the past 13 years - Although can't remember the tory reign, from what I've read/discovered, it seems that it was pretty similar in Thatcher's 12 years. On the other side of the coin, John Major had a hard time controlling his. Sadly I don't think either of the main parties have really improved since then.
fatrob1711 2 years ago
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@UnitedBritannia - I'm sorry if I haven't answered all of the points, I write these comments with great fatigue but I'm not deliberately dodging anything. Please point me back to anything i've missed!
thank you
fatrob1711 2 years ago
@UnitedBrittania I do agree with the rest of your opinion on poll tax, if it looked like it was benefitting the poor and middle classes then it must have appealed as a good idea.
fatrob1711 2 years ago
@UnitedBrittania With regards to the affairs, I can understand that there is no great need to get involved with everybody's private life and that the majority of politicians are guilty of some form of sleaze - look at the reaction to the Legg inquiry. We are effectively being run by hypocrites. there is a general election coming soon and i believe that the public have a great chance to give Westminister a shock. Sadly, I know that that is unlikely to happen under the current FPTP system.
fatrob1711 2 years ago
@UnitedBritannia WELL SAID MY FRIEND!!! Sorry for shouting! i just had to make my agreement be heard.
MrPenfold84 2 months ago
sorry, what is the name of this song?
gbtv2009 2 years ago
John Major - a guy who left school with barely a GCSE! Who says the Tories are just upper class public school snobs!
VOTE TORY!!!!!!
bellagiofalls 2 years ago 39
Exactly! John Major had a very very modest background. Whilst Tony Blair was educated at a public school and Harriet Harman - the poshest private girl's school in the country. Normally I dont comment on people's backgrounds, but it does seem that Labour likes to ignite some sort of class war as was demonstrated on the Crewe and Nanwitch by-election.
blatantboy86 2 years ago
Both good points.
Yes - they like to engage in a bit of outdated class warfare, but the only thing it shows is that they have lost the political argument and are now resorting to pathetic personal attacks.
It's sure to be met with utter defeat at the polls, so I say - let them get on with it if that's what they want to do. Nobody's fooling for it...
UnitedBritannia 2 years ago
No UKIP the main parties are finished
lowestoftbus 2 years ago
@bellagiofalls Sorry, but the VAST majority of conservatives come from upper class backgrounds. John Major was one of the few exceptions, and for me he was a good PM, better than Thatcher for sure.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe Thatcher- another exception.
In fact, there seem to be quite a lot of these "exceptions".
Myndir 1 year ago
@Myndir I was refering to the leaders. Thatcher, Major and Howard are the only ones that spring to mind. That's appauling, for a party that claims to be the friends of the poorest in society.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe ... And Heath and IDS.
In fact, can you name a single upper-class leader of the Tories since 1964, apart from David Cameron?
Myndir 1 year ago
@Myndir The funny thing is, as soon as they returned to an etonian leader, they got back in power.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe I think that had more to do with the fall of Blair and the end of New Labour's very good economic performance from 1997-2007.
I think even William Hague would have had a shot in 2010 and could have even done better than Cameron. John Major, I think, would have won a majority. And, of course, we know what Maggie would do with poor Gordon...
Now, Maggie vs. Blair would be a true meeting of giants.
Myndir 1 year ago
@Myndir The reason Cameron didn't win a majority in 2010 is that he has not managed to shrugg off the fact that they are the 'privaliged' party, and he has not portrayed himself as a middle class man.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@bellagiofalls he certainly did not get a GCSE because GCSEs were introduced in 1986, he passed 3 'O' levels when he left school and then passed 3 more by distance learning.
shahideurope 10 months ago
@bellagiofalls What are you on about? He left Grammar School with three O-Levels. I think that you mean that he did not attend Oxford and that he actually worked to become a politician.
NatDemUK 9 months ago
Major got the most votes ever in 1992 - and he deserved it simply by going out on the streets and rubbing shoulders with ordinary people on his soapbox. No prime minister before or since has had the courage to do anything like that. Well done, John.
ajs41 2 years ago 18
@ajs41 Well actually most major party leaders used to do that. Harold Wilson used to go out and speak in the streets and was excellent with hecklers! Alec Douglas Home also used to do the same although he was less good. It really changed in the 1970's when Heath and Thatcher brought in the ad men for their election campaigns as it was seen as un presidential to argue with voters in the street.
Svetlanka83 1 year ago
@ajs41 - absolutely - Major had the guts to get near the people. That's how he won it.
kealyc 1 year ago 2
@kealyc with a bit of help from Rupert Murdoch as well
shahideurope 10 months ago
Kinnock was not a communist. He was a Social Democrat.
DaleGribble1000 2 years ago
They all say they're social demacrats.
I don't belive it. Half the cabinet have had iffiliations with the far left in their past.
antonjon1 2 years ago
kinnock was a man ahad of his time
DaleGribble1000 2 years ago
Commies are behind the times not ahead of them.
Mprator 2 years ago
John Major + Kenneth Clarke had the most stable economy (mainly due to Thatcher) that this country has possibly ever seen
Now look at it since Tony Flair and Crash Gordon
chapmasi 2 years ago 11
Absolutely laughable
myrnaloysboy 2 years ago
the economy was good under Blair no?
why was labour in power so long then?
TheWilliamcale 2 years ago
Labour is still in power!
myrnaloysboy 2 years ago
new labour..but not for long new labour is much more centrist and my objections to their policy far fewer
TheWilliamcale 2 years ago
OOH ARR, I don't think so !
As a school govenor I can say much more money has been put into schools since 1997 and if life was SO good why did the country elect a LABOUR govt, in a LANDSLIDE.
HOWEVER, I hope I'm sensible enough to also appreciate that nothing lasts forever and it depends also on Global Markets etc.
Ah well love - DON'T give up the day job eh ! LOL
JanboJay 2 years ago
Of course more money has gone into schools since 1997 its ALL BORROWED MONEY which the next Tory government will have to pay back as the history of politics has ALWAYS shown ...... but what does that have to do with the stability of the economy which is what I stated?
You're a school governor? Well I'm glad your not a governor at my daughters school, you couldnt even read my post correctly before spouting your "dont give up the day job"
hahaha you thick jobsworth
chapmasi 2 years ago 7
Thick may be love - Jobsworth I hope not !
Yeah glad I'm not a gov'ner at your daughters school too, humourless farts are always hard to deal with.
I think to be fair we all have to be be aware that nothing is perfect don't we , as it happens John Major is my hero, is local and I've voted for him more time than I've ever voted LABOUR, BUT, I'm ( at least hope ) sensible enough to accept that not all the world thinks like I do nor do I want them to , Ah well love don't give up the day job !
JanboJay 2 years ago
I think the major difference between the United States AND bRITIAN OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE ARE ALL HEAVILY ARMED and your governement wont trust you with sharp kitchen utencils
is even conservatives that hate governement regualtion and spending here, value education, if you look at socieites that spend on enducation
vs those that dont the ones that do
always do better, you cant deny equal education we never had an NHS
but what we always have had is good public schools now that we dont?
TheWilliamcale 2 years ago
@chapmasi Blair and Brown's economy was stronger than Major and Clarke's. That's a fact. Although in this case, all 4 politicians are good ones.
ToaJoe 1 year ago
@ToaJoe It wouldn't say "stronger" is was simply flourishing more...... and it was flourishing more because labour were encouraging the country to borrow beyond its means thus temporarily boosting the economy.
Clarke and Major had solid gold stocks AND a stable economy without having to prop the economy up using the bank of England. Brown then sold all of those gold stocks 10 years later at the bottom of the Market. I don't understand how or why people follow labour....
chapmasi 1 year ago
'well alright.'... heh heh heh, bet you were'nt saying that on 10th April kinnock you ginger tosser
markheim71 2 years ago
HEHEHEH Nice little smart answers.. face it.. my opinion differs to yours.. get over it.. there were so many holes in his time under Conservatism.. thats why he was voted out at the next election!
ThreeWordsFirstWord 2 years ago
Kinnock, you red haired curry eating farting Welsh BORING wanker. It was a treat to see you lose. Back to the mines Taffy!
BRUTUALTRUTH 2 years ago 2
AH now, do I detect Racial Predudice here ?
Why can't he just be a red haired, farting, curry eating, boring W@nker ?
NO DOUBT he'de love to go back to the mines love but MRS THATCHER closed them all.
JanboJay 2 years ago
"AH now, do I detect Racial Predudice here"
oh and I see your a school governor too? So basically your a socialist civil service jobsworth? Of course your going to love any government who will throw money into pointless projects and waste untold millions on statistical training etc...
As for the mines Thatcher closed all the mines because they were failing industries and she even offered Scargill a 5 year deal which he refused flatly thus killing their jobs off in 18months
MuslimsRsmelly 2 years ago 3
Sorry love you're wrong, not a civil servant, I work for £6.12p ph at ASDA.
I hope I'm just a fair minded individual who sees both sides of the equasion - John Major - gorgeous wotsit - , Margaret Thatcher - strong leader when needed sadly in my opinion wrong over the mines. Arthir Scargill - don't mention that SH@T - thanks , needs to be taken to the Bloody Tower !
JanboJay 2 years ago
JanboJay clearly hasn't got a sodding clue as to how a countries economy works hahaha school governor I love it! I can safely say as an Infrastructure Manager who has contracted several times in the educational sector that school head teachers / heads of year / and govenors are useless pseudo bean counters who spend all day shuffling paper round at the expense of the tax payer.
You jobsworths wouldnt last a week in a real professional industry!
"Those who can, do. Those who cant, teach"
chapmasi 2 years ago 2
UNPAID love - get it right , I've never cost the tax payer a penny !
No darling I probably wouldn't last a week dealing with you - how right you are about that - hopefully in that time I'de have knocked your over inflated , deluded ego into shape.
I hope I have at least a clue how SOMETHINGS work, at 19 I was a Dept Manager at a Merchant Bank that hasn't yet gone bust and at 23 I was the PA for the then F1 World Champion and still his PA when he won it for the second time.
JanboJay 2 years ago
So you were a dept manager at 19 and PA for an F1 champ and now your earning £6.12p ph at ASDA? Which clearly tells me you werent very good at it and didnt last long
I dont have an overinfalted ego, I just dont accept bullshit or excuses. I simply understand how the school system works and have seen first hand the sheer number of civil service idiots wasting millions of £s of tax payers cash on pointless projects.
chapmasi 2 years ago
I totally agree with your views on civil servants wasting millions of pounds, I don't believe you don't have an inflated ego though.
I earn £6.12p ph & it's just fine, I only work 12 hours a week whilst I care for a 90 year old uncle ( who has no other family and would be put into a home and also an 88 year old Ma in Law for which I do not get paid a penny by the state nor my relatives I do it cos I feel it's my duty, & if you read my ex boss's autobiography, he says I was the best PA he had .
JanboJay 2 years ago
i do Britian under old labour was a disaster, i rather thaink Blair did alright though, one of the theories of the lauffer curve was that you could raise more revenue for socialis services if you taxed at a lower rate..and even thatcher was for spendng more on the NHS and education
in theory.
TheWilliamcale 2 years ago
in the united states as an emrgency measure duing the depression we had the WPA works progress administration to give men something to do they hired the unemployed to dig holes and fill them in..basicall keeping those mines open was as daft as making such a wpa policy permanent..it was like throwing money donw a mine shaft
TheWilliamcale 2 years ago
The Welsh wanker made millions on the Euro gravy train. He would regard you as subeservient scum!
BRUTUALTRUTH 2 years ago
W@nker he may well be, he may well have made millions on the Euro gravy train, he may well consider me as subservient scum BUT exactly WOT has that gor to do with him being Welsh peay tell ?
Yeki dah , boy bach !
JanboJay 2 years ago
The Welsh would skin yer alive. They haven't introduced Chritianity in Wales let alone fucking evolution.
Yaki bah!
BRUTUALTRUTH 2 years ago
Oh Dear God, MAY your God have mercy on your soul.
JanboJay 2 years ago
Go John! lol
Neil Kinnock looked such a tit. don't get me wrong without Kinnock the Labour party would still be a quasi-communist party with the "Militant" group operating in it. But the electorate we're never going to vote Neil Kinnock in. Great leader of the Labour party but electorally bust.
Daviddch3dwj 2 years ago
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ThreeWordsFirstWord 2 years ago
if kinnock had won wed have been more buggered over than we were aldready in that government
its a 2 party system and you vote for the party that will do the least damage
that party has and always will be the tories
normanwisdomii 2 years ago 7
you go on believing that!! freak
ThreeWordsFirstWord 2 years ago
shut up u gay socialist prick
kinnock wasa bald welsh fart
normanwisdomii 2 years ago
on another of your replies to me on another video u said i was being harsh.... a bit hypocitical dont u think since you are using foul language like this now... popcorn in the kettle black ... dont bother replying back because because i do not care what u hav to say and i have blocked you
ThreeWordsFirstWord 2 years ago
Ermm... do you mean "pot CALLING the kettle black"???!
acsimpson78 2 years ago
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Major - What a complete berk.
sheltorx 2 years ago
here here!!
ThreeWordsFirstWord 2 years ago
What is the name of the song at the end of the clip?
stevenson52 2 years ago
Step on by the Happy Mondays
htgt86 2 years ago
great man! look at the mistake the electorate made by voting in new labour. labour for the second time have brought the country to its knees. i will be dancing in the streets when brown and zaNU labour are voted out
gp4nut 3 years ago 5
Very Very well said! Glad Im not the only one comparing Brown to Mugabe!
tonyregan021177 3 years ago 3
It totally boggles my mind that they voted him in....twice!
superiourcowies 3 years ago
Well, he was an honest guy who ran a superb campaign compared to Kinnock's triumphalist crap.
cjr897 2 years ago 3
Its not particularly him.. i just cant belive they kept voting the tories in.
superiourcowies 2 years ago
Look at the competition.
cjr897 2 years ago 4
Paddy Ashdown should have won!
lelvish1 3 years ago
major was no thatcher.... what a pity
thatcheritescot 3 years ago
kinnock was a welsh windbag... and john major was thacthers poodle
TDuffy04 3 years ago
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There are still a lot of morons in England, particularly in the Essex Man South East, who still crave in the greedy Free Market me me crap and worship Thatcher, even tho its blown up in their faces.
PBLEY 3 years ago
he always kinda reminded me of kermit the frog you know in his voice
chuckmonkey7337 3 years ago
The cleanest underpants on the planet.
MarxBakuninMe 3 years ago
long live john!
ngai1842 3 years ago
does anybody know what the song in the background is at the start
oxonvids 3 years ago
Don't remember the name of the song, but it is by the Happy Mondays
kirwanco 3 years ago
I preffer Kinky Afro by the Happy Mondays
cymruambyth29 3 years ago
It's 'Step On' by the Happy Mondays. Great tune!
UnitedBritannia 3 years ago
Since this. I don't trust polls.
christopherwrees 3 years ago
Wheres the rest of andrew marrs documentary?
pariswannabe02 3 years ago
Did the Tories get many gay people voting for them in 1992? I'm doing a topic on who gays voted for in the 1992 general election.
PeteGeeza86 3 years ago
Well I am gay and I voted Tory and loved John Major then and love him now. Tell me would John Major be considered a one nation Tory?
richardrichard07 3 years ago
He would be a mixture of free market conservatism and one nation conservatism, in that he followed the economic principles of Thatcherism, whilst trying to combine that with the paternalism of Harold MacMilland.
dragonlee90 3 years ago
That Kinnock speech is one of the most hilarious things I've ever seen!!!! What the hell had got into him?!?!?! We're Alrrriggght, We're Alrriiiiggght!!!
burnsybaby1987 3 years ago
I thought at the time haw could Major have won every one thought Kinnock would get in, i mean at least he had a personality
Svetlanka83 3 years ago
Kinnock? It sends a shiver down the spine to think what would have happened to this country if he had got in.
steps1 3 years ago
To be fair i doubt much would have differed
Svetlanka83 3 years ago
Well we've just seen the end of 16 years of economic growth..which means it started in 1992..with every labour government since 1930, unemployment has been higher than when they came in..and there's usually a recession too..alas we are going to see the same now and it will be left to the conservatives to clean up the horrific mess Brown and Labour will leave
steps1 3 years ago