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"Against" might have been more successful if Ferguson wasn't so busy taking cheap shots and plugging his film's Academy Award nomination.
fester2306 1 year ago
America is a bitch of Israel.
bombaclaat 2 years ago
kagan and keane just spew the same rhetoric that the bush administration did, the only difference is that the insurgency is down, which proves nothing which Sir Malcom pointed out... and some of these audience members bought it.
They'd probably march right into iraq again
Lawlow1978 2 years ago
Thats' because they played right into those people that still buy unabashed optimism at the expense of reality. I don't know if they can get the win on this one as the gulf is still 53-36. I was not swayed one bit by there rhetoric and the people that switched over should know better.
joecraine69shimself 2 years ago
Fred Kagan - "The stakes are too high. We can't have a conversation like that."
Fred Kagan - Una duce. Una voce. - fascism?
G. Bush - "It would be a heck of a lot easier if this were a dictatorship. If I'm the dictator."
Rejected - by the American people - 4th November 2008.
Rendered impossible - by the American people - 20th January 2009.
Thank you God.
PSmithFortyTwo 3 years ago
@PSmithFortyTwo Your recaps are positively obnoxious.
z3rsk1 1 year ago
@z3rsk1 The truest post I have ever read.
fester2306 1 year ago
That was irony - "Good vote."
As in, I'm shocked, just shocked to find that the Intelligence Squared audience should agree with the motion "That America is Finally Winning the War in Iraq."
How odd that there was a large 'undecided' group who were miraculously swayed by Kagan and Keane's (lack of) magnificent oratory and (non-existent) logical arguments ... Bush Cheney Co staffers?
The vote was on the wrong side of history and the new world post 20th January 2009.
Thank you, God.
PSmithFortyTwo 3 years ago
Good vote. Nice move with the high undecided vote among a policy audience. The answer came out right anyway.
Malcom Rifkind gets my vote. Seconded by Charles Ferguson.
Kagan - go and make friends with Gary Brecher. You think alike. Brecher is a lot funnier. Steal his best lines. Really.
Keane - Let the madhouse that is Rome on the Potomac do whatever it will do.
PSmithFortyTwo 3 years ago